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[2016-08-08 03:25:31] Rado : you guys don't seem to get how this work
[2016-08-08 03:25:37] Rado : there are no more shorts or more longs
[2016-08-08 03:25:40] willybot : Im not going to try explain this if you dont understand
[2016-08-08 03:25:44] Rado : shorts and longs are always the same amount
[2016-08-08 03:25:50] habibi : ofc there are not. its always 50 50
[2016-08-08 03:26:00] Rado : there you go
[2016-08-08 03:26:02] micmix : willybot, did you try to post a limit order to exit?
[2016-08-08 03:26:14] Rado : unless the short guy was willing to lose money just to stick it to willybot
[2016-08-08 03:26:25] zanza : the market jumped from like .046 to .036 very quickly
[2016-08-08 03:26:31] zanza : yesterday
[2016-08-08 03:26:31] willybot : The fact of the matter is Bitmex operate the MM bots and use inside knowledge to profit from customers
[2016-08-08 03:26:38] Rado : zanza: because ETC fell
[2016-08-08 03:26:47] Rado : that is called market moving on you
[2016-08-08 03:26:57] willybot : faceplam
[2016-08-08 03:27:27] Rado : willybot: for some reason they let me make money
[2016-08-08 03:27:31] zanza : illiquid future market need to be played differently
[2016-08-08 03:27:33] Rado : they don't like you I guess
[2016-08-08 03:27:47] Rado : zanza: totally agree
[2016-08-08 03:28:06] zanza : in our corporate meeting yesterday, Aruthur was saying he didn't liek willybot and was going to try to screw him
[2016-08-08 03:28:13] zanza : Sam and wally agreed
[2016-08-08 03:28:23] Rado : I shorted in the 0.005s and when the price went over 0.006 I was in bad position
[2016-08-08 03:28:37] zanza : oh wow really rado ?
[2016-08-08 03:28:39] Rado : I could have said MMs are taking the price higher because I shorted at 0.0055
[2016-08-08 03:28:40] willybot : Rado: Thats great, you made 0.1 btc
[2016-08-08 03:28:46] zanza : rofl
[2016-08-08 03:29:31] Rado : willybot: I just took long ETC earlier at 0.0034
[2016-08-08 03:29:52] Rado : if the price goees down now to 0.003 does that mean someone is pulling the bids on me?
[2016-08-08 03:31:21] Rado : the fact is that spot ETC went down when you were long
[2016-08-08 03:31:31] Rado : BitMEX does not control ETC spot price
[2016-08-08 03:31:35] Rado : at least that's for sure
[2016-08-08 03:32:03] Rado : If ETC went up to 0.007 you woul dbe singing a different song
[2016-08-08 03:32:42] Rado : you would have been the smartest trader that cashed out 16k contracts
[2016-08-08 03:33:05] Rado : by the way how long have you been trading?
[2016-08-08 03:33:46] zanza : he said a few years
[2016-08-08 03:34:02] zanza : but I BitMex is a little different espeically the long dated future
[2016-08-08 03:37:34] zanza : and ETC is a new animal in istelf
[2016-08-08 03:37:51] zanza : there is a reason these Polo kids go insane for it
[2016-08-08 03:38:00] Rado : yeah
[2016-08-08 03:38:07] Rado : they are in bad shape right now
[2016-08-08 03:38:18] Rado : a lot of bag holders over 0.005
[2016-08-08 03:38:58] micmix : if I want to exit a big position, I post a set of smaller limit orders on the way up/down and wait for them to be eaten. I don't expect MM to give me a good price to exit right away
[2016-08-08 03:39:37] Rado : micmix: do you trade outside of your bot?
[2016-08-08 03:39:54] micmix : sometimes on quarterlies
[2016-08-08 03:39:54] zanza : micmix: can't you also use the leverage trick ?
[2016-08-08 03:40:10] zanza : set max isolated
[2016-08-08 03:40:57] micmix : zanza: it's expensive on some contracts bc you lose maint. margin
[2016-08-08 03:41:18] zanza : its like setting a guaranteed stop loss
[2016-08-08 03:41:23] micmix : and it works only on rebalance anyway
[2016-08-08 03:41:37] micmix : if you have profit
[2016-08-08 03:42:21] micmix : you need rebalance to move your profit to realized, then you can go max leverage to liquidate
[2016-08-08 03:47:04] willybot : Rado: ETC went up when I was long
[2016-08-08 03:47:40] Rado : then micmix is right you should have put orders to sell at the ask so they hit you when it was going up
[2016-08-08 03:48:01] Rado : maybe you thought it will go moe
[2016-08-08 03:48:07] Rado : look man I feel your pain
[2016-08-08 03:48:25] Rado : I understand why you are frustrated
[2016-08-08 03:48:34] willybot : I dont need a bunch of noobs advising me on my trading strategy.
[2016-08-08 03:48:44] Rado : noob?
[2016-08-08 03:48:46] Rado : lol
[2016-08-08 03:49:14] zanza : willybot: I just don't think you have gotten the full hang of BitMEX yet, its a bit different than other places like Finex
[2016-08-08 03:49:40] willybot : zanza: Thats why I set out to test it for a month
[2016-08-08 03:50:05] willybot : But Bitmex not disclosing the fact they operate the MM bots was a killer
[2016-08-08 03:51:07] zanza : of course they can't disclose it, they are being paid by the Illuminatti
[2016-08-08 03:51:16] zanza : under strict orders to secrecy
[2016-08-08 03:51:39] micmix : well if you watched the orderbook for a bit you would have seen that MMs pull their quotes from time to time during high volatility. my MM goes wide, some MMs pull out one side altogether
[2016-08-08 03:51:39] willybot : Ahhh so this is a conspiracy to wally here
[2016-08-08 03:52:50] Rado : willybot: look at the volume today
[2016-08-08 03:52:56] Rado : 3134 XBT
[2016-08-08 03:53:01] Rado : that day was even higher
[2016-08-08 03:53:09] Rado : at least double
[2016-08-08 03:53:24] willybot : Rado: its wash
[2016-08-08 03:53:32] Rado : you think your 57 XBT order was moving the whole market here
[2016-08-08 03:53:54] Rado : that's kind of arrogant
[2016-08-08 03:54:11] willybot : Rado: It did. After the entry the bids vanished
[2016-08-08 03:54:21] Rado : I am sure other people were long as well
[2016-08-08 03:54:23] willybot : That is not debatable.
[2016-08-08 03:54:40] willybot : others where long but minor positions
[2016-08-08 03:54:44] zanza : you are still trying to play this as a spot market
[2016-08-08 03:54:48] Rado : right now the spread is big
[2016-08-08 03:54:50] Rado : you know why
[2016-08-08 03:54:58] Rado : because of my 1000 contrats long
[2016-08-08 03:55:06] Rado : they don't want me to be able to sell
[2016-08-08 03:55:12] micmix : it has nothing to do with insider knowledge. if the price goes up and my MM is already short, it will move the asks up or remove them altogether until it gets the delta under control via hedging. it will not post high bids either bc it doesn't want to close short with a big loss
[2016-08-08 03:55:19] Rado : zanza: please call 911 on BitMEX
[2016-08-08 03:55:26] Rado : they are playing against me
[2016-08-08 03:55:39] Rado : earlier was 0.0036
[2016-08-08 03:55:46] zanza : `goes to alert the internet`
[2016-08-08 03:55:49] Rado : I could not sell and they pulled the bids on me
[2016-08-08 03:56:17] Rado : I think my 1000 contracts moved the market
[2016-08-08 03:56:34] willybot : Im no longer going to debate in here. I will ensure the crypto community are aware of insider trading at Bitmex with Arthur Haynes
[2016-08-08 03:57:26] zanza : im sure you have a whole bag of facts
[2016-08-08 03:57:29] zanza : to go with that
[2016-08-08 03:57:36] micmix : lol, crypto community doesn't care. finex guys were openly saying that they are trading on finex
[2016-08-08 03:57:41] willybot : zanza: There sure is.
[2016-08-08 03:58:14] willybot : Reputation is all that matters in crypto
[2016-08-08 03:58:56] Roevenger : obviously not, Ethereum and Bitfinex are too big examples that morals and reputation don't matter much
[2016-08-08 03:59:08] Roevenger : two*
[2016-08-08 03:59:33] willybot : You think any of that is over?
[2016-08-08 04:01:14] zanza : BitMEX has always delivered on futures settlement since they existed
[2016-08-08 04:01:29] zanza : and never lost customer funds, their record is clear
[2016-08-08 04:01:44] zanza : you could take this as a good learning eperience willybot
[2016-08-08 04:01:54] zanza : or you could learn nothing and blame someone else
[2016-08-08 04:02:14] zanza : go ahead and make a post
[2016-08-08 04:02:26] zanza : i would be interested to see if other people had the same thing happen
[2016-08-08 04:02:50] zanza : you may come off as conspiracy theorist upset at losing money tho
[2016-08-08 04:03:06] zanza : if you dont mind that of course you can make your article
[2016-08-08 04:03:31] willybot : zanza: Its not me that making the article
[2016-08-08 04:03:47] zanza : you are the one who lost money
[2016-08-08 04:03:53] zanza : so you are getting someone to make it for you?
[2016-08-08 04:04:08] willybot : zanza: mmm I have still made money. Its principal
[2016-08-08 04:04:50] zanza : bitmex is allowed to run MM's
[2016-08-08 04:04:55] zanza : anyone can run MM
[2016-08-08 04:05:31] willybot : zanza: running a MM on your own platform is actually illegal
[2016-08-08 04:05:51] zanza : according to which law?
[2016-08-08 04:05:54] Roevenger : poloniex runs have serverside bots and nobody cares man, that's a part of the market
[2016-08-08 04:05:59] willybot : in crypto it may be a grey area but not disclosing it may raise some questions
[2016-08-08 04:06:29] micmix : willybot: you should hire btcvix, he's always happy to write an article criticizing BitMEX
[2016-08-08 04:06:45] willybot : The moment you start manipulating to take advantage of a customers its game over
[2016-08-08 04:07:07] zanza : like that time you lost money
[2016-08-08 04:07:15] zanza : and you are a perfect trader, so it could never be your fault
[2016-08-08 04:07:25] willybot : micmix: no there are already a few interested after the bitfiex hack draws attention to exchanges
[2016-08-08 04:13:14] willybot : Has anyone ever had withdrawal denied?
[2016-08-08 04:15:56] zanza : what do you mean by denied?
[2016-08-08 04:16:17] willybot : zanza: blocked.
[2016-08-08 04:17:39] zanza : Just one time I threatend them with a lawsuti and they blocked my withdrawal until I signed form to not sue
[2016-08-08 04:17:46] zanza : but other than that, no
[2016-08-08 04:22:42] micmix : willybot: what do you mean blocked?
[2016-08-08 04:23:18] willybot : Stalled, held up, denied.
[2016-08-08 04:24:03] zanza : in our corporate meeting, they flagged your acct for withdrawals
[2016-08-08 04:24:07] ggwp : are you guys bots?
[2016-08-08 04:24:13] ggwp : o.0
[2016-08-08 04:24:39] micmix : withdrawals are processed once a day after 13:00 UTC
[2016-08-08 04:25:34] willybot : zanza: I wouldnt joke about this. Im trying to let this go but if im pissed enough I will go ahead
[2016-08-08 04:25:50] zanza : it doesn't matter to me what you do :)
[2016-08-08 04:26:09] willybot : zanza: If you want liquidity then it surely will
[2016-08-08 04:31:10] zanza : i would like to help you understand the system here, because I think its a cool site but
[2016-08-08 04:31:27] willybot : zanza: I have figured it out
[2016-08-08 04:32:06] zanza : ?
[2016-08-08 04:32:13] willybot : It is just unethical they operate the bots and dont disclose.
[2016-08-08 04:33:26] willybot : about to clear polo ETC books lets see how ETC7D plays up
[2016-08-08 04:33:28] zanza : every other site in town does it
[2016-08-08 04:49:33] Mm bot : willybot: how to clear polo book?
[2016-08-08 04:49:58] zanza : he is a whale trader
[2016-08-08 04:55:36] willybot : mmm. So the only way to make a decent buck is through to closing of the contract out of bitmex pocket
[2016-08-08 04:57:08] willybot : If I open a position here the spread will close against me
[2016-08-08 04:57:53] willybot : Im going to spend a week or two and compile the data.
[2016-08-08 05:01:59] zanza : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-07/first-bitcoin-bail-all-bitfinex-users-lose-36-shared-loss-after-historic-hack
[2016-08-08 05:06:48] willybot : btc about to take a hit
[2016-08-08 05:24:27] zanza : https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4wmg2n/ethdev_sold_129k_etc/
[2016-08-08 05:48:18] zanza : congrats on entry Rado
[2016-08-08 05:51:10] VenCap : huge margins on etc vs polo price
[2016-08-08 05:51:23] VenCap : 386 top buy on polo 360 here....
[2016-08-08 05:56:19] willybot : VenCap: its a joke
[2016-08-08 05:56:39] VenCap : its very odd, like not many people use this site or something.
[2016-08-08 05:57:46] willybot : VenCap: bitmex run the bot and will destroy any trader dumb enough to enter over a 0.1 btc position
[2016-08-08 05:58:09] willybot : there are no traders on the market only bitmex
[2016-08-08 05:58:20] VenCap : i see.
[2016-08-08 05:58:28] VenCap : where else can you margin trade etc?
[2016-08-08 05:58:45] willybot : VenCap: bitfinex lol
[2016-08-08 05:59:07] VenCap : oh god... really odd polo dont margin trade it.
[2016-08-08 05:59:10] willybot : VenCap: Ive asked busoni at polo to open it up next week so I think they will
[2016-08-08 05:59:32] willybot : once that gets going we are in safe hands
[2016-08-08 05:59:46] VenCap : they will probably open it when they know for sure the direction it will take.
[2016-08-08 05:59:59] VenCap : willybot, whats withdraws like here? any problems?
[2016-08-08 06:00:11] VenCap : just reading some reviews.....
[2016-08-08 06:01:22] zanza : if you write bad reviews they block your withdrawals
[2016-08-08 06:02:21] willybot : VenCap: no known issues yet. Your problem is your trading against bitmex and they know your stops
[2016-08-08 06:02:23] VenCap : i dont write reviews. i was just readng them. and so far i really like the site
[2016-08-08 06:03:02] zanza : https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking make sure to read this
[2016-08-08 06:03:11] zanza : new people get confused quite often about the price marking
[2016-08-08 06:03:35] willybot : VenCap: I honestly would not recommend it but have a play with some coins
[2016-08-08 06:05:17] VenCap : spot on.
[2016-08-08 06:05:43] willybot : VenCap: were did you come from?
[2016-08-08 06:05:55] VenCap : where did i come from?
[2016-08-08 06:06:06] zanza : Europe, Africa, USA ?
[2016-08-08 06:06:09] willybot : VenCap: yeah what other xchg
[2016-08-08 06:06:42] VenCap : ah, Europe.
[2016-08-08 06:07:00] VenCap : home to all the crazy bstrds
[2016-08-08 06:08:04] VenCap : i wish the vol was better here. Way too low.
[2016-08-08 06:08:23] zanza : If you want to trade like a spot market, choose the "perpetual products" like XBT
[2016-08-08 06:08:24] willybot : VenCap: I told you. Its Bitmex trading against themselves.
[2016-08-08 06:08:46] zanza : "Perpetual Swap"
[2016-08-08 06:08:51] willybot : VenCap: @zanza works here. Hes the resident shill
[2016-08-08 06:09:08] VenCap : it cant all be 100% bots
[2016-08-08 06:09:19] VenCap : no, i just want to trade ETC. :O)
[2016-08-08 06:09:39] willybot : VenCap: theres a handful of traders but good luck
[2016-08-08 06:10:04] VenCap : yeah. need to promote it more here on twitter and such :O)
[2016-08-08 06:10:20] VenCap : and considering its the only place to margin trade ETC should be much more popular.
[2016-08-08 06:10:59] zanza : there is a high learning curve
[2016-08-08 06:11:09] zanza : and its not new user friendly
[2016-08-08 06:11:46] willybot : VenCap: I know a few that came through but the low liquididty and dodgy books moved them along pretty quick
[2016-08-08 06:11:48] miramm1115 : ETC7D is very difficult to MM properly right now, so there is only one MM with smallish quotes and strong short bias
[2016-08-08 06:12:03] zanza : there is a testnet also you can do test trader
[2016-08-08 06:12:06] willybot : trading up to and over 3k sat spread on ETC is a waste of time
[2016-08-08 06:12:18] ggwp : long ETC now come back in year . . . account drained
[2016-08-08 06:12:42] miramm1115 : it will get better if/when polo enables margin trading
[2016-08-08 06:13:07] ggwp : polo is gonna exit scam soonish
[2016-08-08 06:13:10] zanza : does polo have margin trading on any crypto ?
[2016-08-08 06:13:10] willybot : miramm1115: it wont get better here. Everyone goes to polo.
[2016-08-08 06:13:18] willybot : zanza: ofc
[2016-08-08 06:13:21] ggwp : mark my word
[2016-08-08 06:14:18] willybot : ggwp: marked.
[2016-08-08 06:17:57] zanza : anyone help me how to deposit fake money on testnet?
[2016-08-08 06:23:42] Rado : zanza: you need to use bitcoin faucet
[2016-08-08 06:23:56] zanza : ehh?
[2016-08-08 06:24:36] Rado : http://easybitcoinfaucet.com/
[2016-08-08 06:24:39] zanza : oh, i found it
[2016-08-08 06:24:40] zanza : thanks
[2016-08-08 06:24:43] Rado : np
[2016-08-08 06:27:27] zanza : i want to run some malicious MM strategies
[2016-08-08 06:27:34] zanza : to see if I can profit from willybot
[2016-08-08 06:27:46] zanza : :)
[2016-08-08 06:27:57] willybot : zanza: goodluck.
[2016-08-08 06:28:08] zanza : its just testnet for now
[2016-08-08 06:29:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 1 @ 60555.0 :punch: :whale:
[2016-08-08 06:29:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 500 @ 0.003790
[2016-08-08 06:30:07] willybot : If this place didnt have a %6 spread I would have taken most of your monies by now
[2016-08-08 06:30:36] willybot : Arthur would be bankrupt scratching for customer funds to pay rent
[2016-08-08 06:31:50] zanza : yeah and Sam would be giving handjobs for heroin
[2016-08-08 06:32:42] willybot : zanza: nah, we have use for him but I wont say no to a wristy
[2016-08-08 06:35:55] Rado : willybot: I can lend you some BTC so you can trade
[2016-08-08 06:36:44] Tetsuo : willybot: are u still crying around?
[2016-08-08 06:36:56] Tetsuo : for more than 10hours now?
[2016-08-08 06:37:07] willybot : Rado: yeah sure. just deposit to my okcoin
[2016-08-08 06:37:11] Tetsuo : u got rekt coz of n00b trading , end of story
[2016-08-08 06:37:28] willybot : Tetsuo: lol you just got back sit down and stay quite.
[2016-08-08 06:37:43] Rado : Tetsuo: he has been wining all day
[2016-08-08 06:37:51] Tetsuo : : - D
[2016-08-08 06:37:55] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-08-08 06:38:18] Rado : I just sold ETC 0.0038 from 0.0034
[2016-08-08 06:38:27] Rado : this is how you trade ETC willybot
[2016-08-08 06:38:35] Tetsuo : like a boss
[2016-08-08 06:39:08] willybot : Rado: I just sold at 395 on polo from 346
[2016-08-08 06:39:58] Rado : I was trading XBTUSD, but willybot challenged me that ETC is not tradable
[2016-08-08 06:40:16] willybot : Rado: lmao you cant school me on ETC or ETH.
[2016-08-08 06:40:30] Tetsuo : well the mm bot schooled you didn´t he?
[2016-08-08 06:40:38] zanza : it was Arthur
[2016-08-08 06:40:44] Tetsuo : lured you into a n00b trap
[2016-08-08 06:40:52] willybot : Tetsuo: no. Arthurs MM bot raped me
[2016-08-08 06:41:05] Tetsuo : yeah sure
[2016-08-08 06:41:36] willybot : its not his bot its his other sidekick that made it
[2016-08-08 06:43:14] zanza : anyone run Ubuntu 16.04 LTS?
[2016-08-08 06:44:32] ayy_lmao : wut
[2016-08-08 06:44:36] ayy_lmao : "bot raped me"
[2016-08-08 06:44:49] macios15 : finex online? since when
[2016-08-08 06:45:02] ayy_lmao : shit bitmex trolboxers say
[2016-08-08 06:49:16] zanza : rado you still long ?
[2016-08-08 06:49:36] zanza : on that etc
[2016-08-08 06:52:48] Rado : zanza: sold
[2016-08-08 06:53:22] Rado : zanza: I upgraded from 14.04 and I had some issues
[2016-08-08 06:53:27] Rado : i reversed
[2016-08-08 06:53:46] Rado : will try again when I have more time
[2016-08-08 07:00:00] VenCap : its like judgement day in here... you cant beat the Bots!
[2016-08-08 07:00:13] VenCap : we need Arnie! Everyone get to the Chopper!
[2016-08-08 07:54:32] elmorte : 2600 BFX token....muthafckn cnts...
[2016-08-08 07:54:47] elmorte : rabid, how'd you go?
[2016-08-08 08:00:29] aethlios : bitmex prepare to add bitfinex coin contract.
[2016-08-08 08:11:28] cenkzu : 5600 bfx
[2016-08-08 08:16:20] bernx : So today another shit day with no movement?
[2016-08-08 08:24:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 265 @ 0.003563
[2016-08-08 08:37:45] subjective : aethlios: where did you read about BFX coin contract here?
[2016-08-08 08:38:31] aethlios : subjective: I am suggesting bitmex team to create a finex contract.
[2016-08-08 08:46:59] Tetsuo : i am suggesting that they should add the pair goxcoins/finexcoins
[2016-08-08 09:28:47] zanza : Poloniex will list anything
[2016-08-08 09:48:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `FCTXBT`: Buy 100 @ 0.002837
[2016-08-08 10:24:57] zanza : https://medium.com/@Ledger/how-to-properly-secure-cryptocurrencies-exchanges-511fe7a669a3#.zev24ac0e
[2016-08-08 10:25:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 400 @ 0.002873
[2016-08-08 10:29:38] bernx : Bitmex
[2016-08-08 10:29:42] bernx : What about FCT?
[2016-08-08 10:44:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 400 @ 0.003483
[2016-08-08 10:44:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 29 @ 0.003518
[2016-08-08 10:44:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 50 @ 0.003501
[2016-08-08 10:45:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 300 @ 0.003460
[2016-08-08 10:45:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 500 @ 0.003391
[2016-08-08 11:01:19] willybot : If your still long on ETC your about to be gutted
[2016-08-08 11:02:56] justinlooking : unless ur short a grillion contracts on polo ;)
[2016-08-08 11:04:18] lockhedge : thought there is no ETC margin trading on polo
[2016-08-08 11:04:45] willybot : justinlooking: which your not
[2016-08-08 11:04:58] justinlooking : unfortuntly not...
[2016-08-08 11:07:15] willybot : all part of the bitmex scam.
[2016-08-08 11:08:30] justinlooking : ?
[2016-08-08 11:09:33] willybot : Insider trading on the platform using MM bots to wash trades and manipulate the market
[2016-08-08 11:10:10] willybot : if you go long with some size they remove bids and squeeze
[2016-08-08 11:13:12] lockhedge : willybot: you can't expect infinite liquidity from market makers. especially if this is the only place you can short
[2016-08-08 11:13:27] justinlooking : willybot: u realize it's a future, right?
[2016-08-08 11:14:07] willybot : I know exactly what it is.
[2016-08-08 11:15:02] lockhedge : why are you surprised that a future trades at a discount to spot?
[2016-08-08 11:15:27] willybot : lockhedge: I am not.
[2016-08-08 11:18:20] ayy_lmao : there is no scam
[2016-08-08 11:18:26] ayy_lmao : thats how market makers make money
[2016-08-08 11:18:28] ayy_lmao : trading 101
[2016-08-08 11:21:32] lockhedge : market makers are not allowed to manipulate price or liquidity, so "removing bids" with the intention to "squeeze" longs would be illegal
[2016-08-08 11:22:09] lockhedge : but willybot does not present any evidence
[2016-08-08 11:23:33] bernx : http://imgur.com/u2YU9KE
[2016-08-08 11:29:15] rapidtrades : lockhedge: did u have funds at finex?
[2016-08-08 11:29:38] rapidtrades : who had funds over there? whats' ur play?
[2016-08-08 11:31:45] willybot : rapidtrades: Once I get what I can out then I'll make a move
[2016-08-08 11:32:02] rapidtrades : and how do u plan to 'get out'
[2016-08-08 11:32:15] rapidtrades : cos most of my shit is in USD and im not verified
[2016-08-08 11:32:41] lockhedge : rapidtrades: only have a few pennies left there
[2016-08-08 11:32:49] willybot : rapidtrades: Im not sure yet. The next two weeks will be interesting
[2016-08-08 11:32:58] habibi : rapidtrades: trading will be enabled probally at same time as withdraws
[2016-08-08 11:33:07] lockhedge : rapidtrades: if you can, get verified
[2016-08-08 11:33:11] rapidtrades : yeah and btc will skyrocket
[2016-08-08 11:33:32] willybot : rapidtrades: all USD dumed into BTC for the flight
[2016-08-08 11:33:44] lockhedge : a lot of unverified ppl will try to buy BTC, probably high premium at finex
[2016-08-08 11:33:53] habibi : rapidtrades: so hedge it before.
[2016-08-08 11:34:01] rapidtrades : lockhedge: ur right i should hand over 2 Ids and 2 proof of residence to a company that just got hacked for 70mil
[2016-08-08 11:34:18] rapidtrades : habibi: spike will be finex only dummy
[2016-08-08 11:35:17] habibi : ur loss is about 1 btc? u said sth about 3 btc in total as balance
[2016-08-08 11:35:52] rapidtrades : yeah and ton of usd
[2016-08-08 11:36:04] rapidtrades : so no my loss is not only 3 btc
[2016-08-08 11:36:47] rapidtrades : we have to sue, 90% of ppl were long over therer and are happy to rape us
[2016-08-08 11:37:20] rapidtrades : also it appears ameros are not getting haircutted on their USD
[2016-08-08 11:37:32] rapidtrades : and they're likely making deals with whales
[2016-08-08 11:37:49] habibi : hehehe so much fud here :D
[2016-08-08 11:37:55] rapidtrades : it's better overall to just force them into bakruptsy and have a chance at fair settlement
[2016-08-08 11:39:34] habibi : what additional funds will be recoverable thru bankruptcy and why u really think it will be worth more than actual state after years of lawyers work, liquidators and stuff like that? As a unverified user u will be on the very bottom of queue to get paid back.
[2016-08-08 11:39:55] rapidtrades : i just told u dummy
[2016-08-08 11:40:07] rapidtrades : i don't trust them to give me a fair settlement
[2016-08-08 11:40:17] rapidtrades : THEIR ENTIRE NET WORTH IS LAIBLE
[2016-08-08 11:40:25] rapidtrades : they showed gross negligence
[2016-08-08 11:40:52] miramm1115 : rapidtrades: plus in most cases directors are personally liable
[2016-08-08 11:41:25] rapidtrades : plus deceptive marketing
[2016-08-08 11:41:38] rapidtrades : we thought they only had 0.5% in hot wallet
[2016-08-08 11:41:42] rapidtrades : NOT EVERYTHING
[2016-08-08 11:42:54] rapidtrades : also bankruptsy is the only shot we have of ever getting fully repaid
[2016-08-08 11:43:14] rapidtrades : competent management may buy them up
[2016-08-08 11:43:31] habibi : Lol, u deluded. Good luck with that
[2016-08-08 11:43:47] rapidtrades : how am I deluded? watch me bitch
[2016-08-08 11:44:29] rapidtrades : do i have to pay to make a new subreddt
[2016-08-08 11:45:33] lockhedge : no, it's free
[2016-08-08 11:45:40] rapidtrades : so how
[2016-08-08 11:47:09] lockhedge : https://www.reddit.com/subreddits/create
[2016-08-08 11:47:29] rapidtrades : yeah tnx
[2016-08-08 11:48:54] lockhedge : you might get much more visibility with a simple post to /r/BitcoinMarkets https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/submit?selftext=true
[2016-08-08 11:50:30] rapidtrades : f*Ck em, they're downvoting everything
[2016-08-08 11:51:11] habibi : don't worry, u tried really hard
[2016-08-08 11:51:55] rapidtrades : bitch, watch me
[2016-08-08 11:54:34] rapidtrades : https://www.reddit.com/r/bitfinexcal/
[2016-08-08 11:54:39] rapidtrades : sub that bitch
[2016-08-08 11:55:27] habibi : Amazing
[2016-08-08 11:56:40] rapidtrades : this is the only way to force them into bankruptsy
[2016-08-08 11:56:58] habibi : And lost ur money for ever :)
[2016-08-08 11:57:00] ggwp : bancryptsy?
[2016-08-08 11:57:17] rapidtrades : they werer still profitable and with new management they could make us whole
[2016-08-08 11:58:29] habibi : If u ever into math u would know how long would them take to recover that loss if only 100% profit would go for that
[2016-08-08 11:58:35] habibi : 100% earnings *
[2016-08-08 11:58:56] rapidtrades : 5 years at this years voume
[2016-08-08 11:59:14] habibi : As i said, if u would ever into math...
[2016-08-08 11:59:30] rapidtrades : also...i intend to get 90% back since my USD was not hacked
[2016-08-08 12:00:14] REKT : Liquidated short on `LTCXBT`: Buy 1098 @ 0.00643
[2016-08-08 12:01:21] habibi : And at same time u wanna bankruptcy and liquidation of company assets then recover ur share of that
[2016-08-08 12:01:22] habibi : LOL
[2016-08-08 12:02:54] rapidtrades : yeah like i said, i get 90% then rest from earnings
[2016-08-08 12:03:37] habibi : :D
[2016-08-08 12:03:50] rapidtrades : this 'haircut' is a bad deal for anyone that had mostly USD over there
[2016-08-08 12:04:36] rapidtrades : i'm not subsidizing perpetually long kids
[2016-08-08 12:04:55] habibi : Of course, so go sue them and liquidate. I bet u will get better deal than that :D
[2016-08-08 12:05:20] rapidtrades : they would be better offf under my plan anyway since they won't be able to trade away their assets, it wil be locked
[2016-08-08 12:05:29] rapidtrades : ^longers
[2016-08-08 12:06:08] rapidtrades : habibi: what do u suggest then? they're incompetent...they can't repays us
[2016-08-08 12:06:13] rapidtrades : this didn't even offer shares lol
[2016-08-08 12:06:20] habibi : Oh, Dear Court i wanna speculate on Btc assets as most of my holdings were in USD and thats why i am here, but please Court don't liquidate these btcs until btc> 2000 usd
[2016-08-08 12:07:02] rapidtrades : some worthless token that may 'possibly' convert to shares if 'finex allows it'
[2016-08-08 12:07:04] rapidtrades : it's a joke
[2016-08-08 12:07:10] rapidtrades : they're not contributing anything
[2016-08-08 12:07:19] rapidtrades : did u listen to zane interview?
[2016-08-08 12:07:23] rapidtrades : they're idiots
[2016-08-08 12:08:23] rapidtrades : not only that but they want to restart their compnay WITHOUT MAKING ANY PERSONAL SACRIFICES
[2016-08-08 12:08:28] rapidtrades : unacceptable
[2016-08-08 12:08:38] rapidtrades : force them out, get better team
[2016-08-08 12:09:34] rapidtrades : bankruptcy, liquidation, restructuring etc...there are plenty of options here
[2016-08-08 12:11:35] habibi : In all of these cases u will get less, i promise u. Now they looking for investors, small chance they find one, but if they will u will recover more or maybe 100%. In case of bankruptcy/liquidation its all dead, noone want to buy such company just to fill ur pockets, its better to hire some of ex employees and start a new one, better one.
[2016-08-08 12:14:57] rapidtrades : u can't promise me shit dude
[2016-08-08 12:15:01] rapidtrades : ur not a lawyer
[2016-08-08 12:16:30] rapidtrades : they would restructure....it's not a black and white choice like they're presenting
[2016-08-08 12:16:31] lockhedge : habibi: why should anyone invest in their company? they are facing multiple law suits and their tech is worthless
[2016-08-08 12:17:02] rapidtrades : so BVI is the place to sue o what
[2016-08-08 12:17:05] rapidtrades : HK?
[2016-08-08 12:18:19] habibi : lockhedge: don't know, pure speculation but lets say invest, a lot of internal changes in finex/stuff, and trying to expand as much as possible their bussinesses.
[2016-08-08 12:20:42] rapidtrades : exactly, restructuring would be the goal..they're profitable and with new management will do ok
[2016-08-08 12:20:50] rapidtrades : they were n1 before hack
[2016-08-08 12:21:01] rapidtrades : new management, new coders etc
[2016-08-08 12:21:22] habibi : once again they not making that much money as u think
[2016-08-08 12:21:52] rapidtrades : yeah cos they're incompetent
[2016-08-08 12:22:36] lockhedge : rapidtrades: afaik for insolvency proceedings it should be the BVI, criminal proceedings most likely HK as principle place of business
[2016-08-08 12:22:38] rapidtrades : plus do u really trust finex to do the asset clawback fairly?
[2016-08-08 12:22:46] rapidtrades : i don't trust them one bit
[2016-08-08 12:24:27] rapidtrades : lockhedge: tnx
[2016-08-08 12:25:03] rapidtrades : post any info about potential lawsuit here https://www.reddit.com/r/bitfinexcal/
[2016-08-08 12:25:16] rapidtrades : laws that would apply, tos etc
[2016-08-08 12:25:26] rapidtrades : i need to eat smth getting a headache
[2016-08-08 12:27:09] habibi : Bon Apetite Deer
[2016-08-08 12:58:55] rapidtrades : i can't post a text post on r/bitcoin?
[2016-08-08 13:18:43] zanza : why ?
[2016-08-08 13:45:31] laisee : BFX for sale
[2016-08-08 14:13:33] men : whats the news for factom?
[2016-08-08 14:18:08] bernx : parthen ship
[2016-08-08 14:20:06] HackedOnBFX : hey guys
[2016-08-08 14:20:30] laisee : HackedOnBFX: hacked off?
[2016-08-08 14:20:59] zanza : @HackedOnBFX please read the https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking guide before you start trading here
[2016-08-08 14:21:36] zanza : some new traders are experience butthurt
[2016-08-08 14:22:21] HackedOnBFX : zanza: thanks for that bro
[2016-08-08 14:22:36] HackedOnBFX : I already made a pretty awesome trade but I'll definitely give it a read
[2016-08-08 14:22:57] zanza : good luck
[2016-08-08 14:24:03] BitMEX_Greg : HackedOnBFX: Hi, welcome to BitMEX. Let me know if you have any questions
[2016-08-08 14:24:22] HackedOnBFX : BitMEX_Greg: Thanks!
[2016-08-08 14:25:42] HackedOnBFX : Have you guys seen a bunch of new people since bitfinex shindig?
[2016-08-08 14:27:53] BitMEX_Greg : HackedOnBFX: We have seen a few new users come aboard, since we are one of the only places to trade with leverage now
[2016-08-08 14:29:43] HackedOnBFX : BitMEX_Greg: I don't think I fully understand the fees
[2016-08-08 14:29:57] HackedOnBFX : I heard on reddit there is a 1% fee per day
[2016-08-08 14:30:06] HackedOnBFX : But I don't see anything about that on the fees page.
[2016-08-08 14:32:15] zanza : https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/XBTUSD
[2016-08-08 14:32:35] zanza : XBTUSD is a XBT/USD swap contract priced on the .XBT Index. Each contract is worth $1 of Bitcoin. Funding is paid and received every 8 hours. The next payout event is at 13:00 (20:00 UTC). XBTUSD uses a Premium Index to calculate funding rates.
[2016-08-08 14:32:53] aaa : HackedOnBFX: there is no dayly fee
[2016-08-08 14:33:21] aaa : daily
[2016-08-08 14:33:42] BitMEX_Greg : HackedOnBFX: We have funding per contract. Given the large selloff last week we did see some funding rates go as high as 1% per day, but that is usually not standard. It depends what position you have also. Last week longs received the funding while shorts paid the funding.
[2016-08-08 14:34:17] BitMEX_Greg : BitMEX does not receive any of the funding. It is purely long vs short, dependent upon how the market is moving with respect to the underlying index
[2016-08-08 14:34:34] BitMEX_Greg : Take a look at https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide for further examples
[2016-08-08 14:36:44] nip : BitMEX_Greg: does BitMEX or any of its employees trade or place orders on this exchange?
[2016-08-08 14:36:57] willybot : nip: They run the MM bots
[2016-08-08 14:43:50] willybot : BitMEX_Greg: Answer the question greg.
[2016-08-08 14:45:33] BitMEX_Wally : willybot: BitMEX and its employees only trade on testnet
[2016-08-08 14:46:46] willybot : BitMEX_Wally: Dont lie to your customers.
[2016-08-08 14:50:40] BitMEX_Greg : nip: As per Wally, we do not trade here at all.
[2016-08-08 14:50:58] zanza : willybot: lost money, therefore the system must be rigged against him
[2016-08-08 14:51:37] willybot : Ive actually made money. But I am aware that Bitmex operate the MM bots.
[2016-08-08 14:52:04] habibi : BitMEX_Wally: don't u think its better to change etc contract back to daily as long as there are no other margin trading outside bmex?
[2016-08-08 14:52:24] willybot : habibi: No incentive for them
[2016-08-08 14:53:58] habibi : willybot: i am not talking with u as long as u not deliver any proof for ur speculations
[2016-08-08 14:55:34] willybot : habibi: There are a number of people working on these claims. When its all together you will be well aware.
[2016-08-08 14:57:11] nip : BitMEX_Wally: @BitMEX_Greg: Thanks for clearing that up.
[2016-08-08 14:57:40] willybot : BitMEX_Wally: Hi Wally, do you have a social profile or link in we can see?
[2016-08-08 14:57:51] zanza : habibi: he saw the orders get pulled, what more proff do you need?
[2016-08-08 14:58:22] willybot : zanza: dont be a smart ass zanza
[2016-08-08 15:07:25] zanza : new risk limit?
[2016-08-08 15:08:01] nip : wow those are low
[2016-08-08 15:10:04] zanza : so 50x leverage at 200btc, 25x leverage at 300 btc 12.5 leverageg at 400 btc
[2016-08-08 15:11:19] zanza : the email doesn't match the risk page
[2016-08-08 15:12:23] zanza : i guess makes it harder to abuse the leverage adjustment stop trick
[2016-08-08 15:12:26] Rado : I much rather talk about improving the system and attracting more MMs
[2016-08-08 15:13:01] Rado : tired of this pointing fingers without any basis
[2016-08-08 15:13:25] Rado : BitMEX guys I thought you have a system where everything gets audited
[2016-08-08 15:13:54] zanza : rado ?
[2016-08-08 15:14:05] BitMEX_Greg : zanza: The risk page is yet to be updated. We wanted to put it in the email first.
[2016-08-08 15:14:27] BitMEX_Greg : Rado: Everything is audited
[2016-08-08 15:15:16] Rado : then can you provide willybot with logs so he stops talking about this
[2016-08-08 15:15:33] Rado : I like this chat to be about community helping each other become better traders
[2016-08-08 15:16:32] willybot : BitMEX_Greg: i would love to third party audit. Thats a great idea @Rado
[2016-08-08 15:17:38] willybot : I'll be honest. I dgaf if they run the bots as long as hey dont bs.
[2016-08-08 15:21:35] zanza : what logs to show? the recent trads panel shows all trade history
[2016-08-08 15:22:28] zanza : i doubt they record logs of pulled orders
[2016-08-08 15:23:19] willybot : zanza: I think im going to enjoy this now
[2016-08-08 15:25:46] justinlooking : they absolutely do have logs of pulled orders
[2016-08-08 15:26:37] zanza : willy is claiming bitmex themslves pulled orders
[2016-08-08 15:26:47] zanza : so, you cna't prove WHO pulled the order
[2016-08-08 15:27:16] zanza : without revealing other trader personal info
[2016-08-08 15:27:55] zanza : btw think Finex going to bankruptsy 100%
[2016-08-08 15:28:53] jesperf : seriously guys. market makers are running bots. bitmex provides a sample for this so anyone can be a MM if one is so inclined. are you angry that they decide to pull orders based on activity in the orderbooks?
[2016-08-08 15:29:12] willybot : look. I wont bring it up again. There are a few working on compiling and they will get inside everything they need.
[2016-08-08 15:29:38] jesperf : take the blue pill wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe
[2016-08-08 15:30:21] willybot : One thing I cant get over is how dumb you all are
[2016-08-08 15:30:37] jesperf : you should be happy for that
[2016-08-08 15:30:54] zanza : willy, the only way you could prove it, is if you hacked their servers/code and see they are actually running a MM
[2016-08-08 15:31:16] willybot : well its good but you dont have enough btc
[2016-08-08 15:31:34] willybot : zanza: wow your a genius
[2016-08-08 15:31:56] HackedOnBFX : hey keep it civil!
[2016-08-08 15:32:24] willybot : HackedOnBFX: im sorry I come from beyond I really am trying to adjust
[2016-08-08 15:32:44] HackedOnBFX : beyond?
[2016-08-08 15:33:03] jesperf : this chat is butterflies and rainbows compared to other trollboxes
[2016-08-08 15:33:13] jesperf : <3 <3 <3
[2016-08-08 15:33:14] willybot : HackedOnBFX: hard to explain
[2016-08-08 15:33:29] HackedOnBFX : jesperf: very true
[2016-08-08 15:34:01] willybot : If it was called a chatbox I would better know how to behave
[2016-08-08 15:34:47] wotan : jesperf agree:)
[2016-08-08 15:39:29] HackedOnBFX : so whats stopping me from selling the sept 30th contract and buying the perpetual swap and profiting from the premium?
[2016-08-08 15:40:29] zanza : so you admit you are trolling with this MM business?
[2016-08-08 15:41:07] zanza : thr perpetual swap premum changes
[2016-08-08 15:41:24] willybot : zanza: no Im not trolling
[2016-08-08 15:41:33] HackedOnBFX : zanza: the perp swap is 585 and sept 30th is 625
[2016-08-08 15:41:44] willybot : HackedOnBFX: dont tell everyone. exe
[2016-08-08 15:41:55] HackedOnBFX : could I not risk-free sell the sept 30th and buy the perp swap?
[2016-08-08 15:42:21] HackedOnBFX : would the fees eat into the profit?
[2016-08-08 15:43:09] zanza : the perpetual has a negative premium now, and the sept positive, so you can trade that contango they call it
[2016-08-08 15:44:02] Rado : I wish I was a MOD in this chat so I can ban this imbecile
[2016-08-08 15:45:03] zanza : HackedOnBFX: its not as simple as it seem,s but im tired and can't think it through
[2016-08-08 15:49:24] bernx : Rado: which one?
[2016-08-08 15:50:58] habibi : rapidtrades: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4wqs3u/announcement_regarding_reports_about_bitfinex_not/
[2016-08-08 15:51:51] willybot : Rado: o/
[2016-08-08 15:59:35] zanza : who knows what to believe habibi
[2016-08-08 16:10:15] lockhedge : HackedOnBFX: XBTU16 is a quanto futures contract, it's riskier to short (premium might become very high with high volatility)
[2016-08-08 16:10:55] lockhedge : HackedOnBFX: this blog post explains very well how quantos and inverse contracts behave https://blog.bitmex.com/xbt-vs-xbu-chain/
[2016-08-08 17:10:12] justinlooking : rETC time?
[2016-08-08 18:24:42] Rado : all markets stuck right now
[2016-08-08 18:24:47] Rado : BTC, ETH, ETC
[2016-08-08 18:25:02] Rado : need some news to get things going one way or another
[2016-08-08 18:33:11] justinlooking : yeh v stagnant
[2016-08-08 18:58:00] jesperf : i've got some bad news
[2016-08-08 18:59:53] Rado : jesperf: what's up?
[2016-08-08 18:59:58] jesperf : we're all going to die!