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[2016-08-07 05:27:21] miramm1115 : I'm not even talking about legality of this solution. Basically majority of bitcoiners are saying "please steal from us, we will not sue because we are afraid of lawyers"
[2016-08-07 05:28:46] zanza : willybot: ETC7D is not a spot market, I think you are trying to play it like a spot. You can try the perpetual contracts if you want to do spot trading (ETH/XBT)
[2016-08-07 05:29:38] zanza : those will closely mirror the spot price, the ETC7D trades on the predicted spot price next Friday
[2016-08-07 05:30:14] zanza : speaking of which, I wonder why they didn't make the ETC contract perpetual ?
[2016-08-07 05:30:35] zanza : miramm1115: did they say if they are giving haircut to USD accounts ?
[2016-08-07 05:30:48] TheMightyX : it says all accounts will be generalized
[2016-08-07 05:31:00] TheMightyX : obviously they need to liquidate all assets to come up with the 36% figure
[2016-08-07 05:31:03] zanza : I would just take what I could get, and withdrawal asap
[2016-08-07 05:31:05] miramm1115 : zanza: no way for MM to hedge long exposure on ETC swap without polo margin
[2016-08-07 05:31:11] lockhedge : miramm1115: completely agree that they should first use the group's capital to compensate these losses. their token's might be worthless
[2016-08-07 05:31:44] TheMightyX : I've now taken 3 substantial hits
[2016-08-07 05:31:47] willybot : zanza: Im aware of what I was trading. My issue is the MM taking the piss
[2016-08-07 05:32:00] zanza : MM isn't required to do you any favors :)
[2016-08-07 05:32:13] zanza : they look out for themselves only
[2016-08-07 05:32:14] willybot : I could not exit or reduce as they removed all buy orders
[2016-08-07 05:32:24] lockhedge : these tokens only involve iFinex Inc. (not BFXNA Inc. and Bitfinex Limited) and they might just virtually increase the capital with these tokens
[2016-08-07 05:32:31] TheMightyX : 1 due to Bitfinex losing my funds (although I hope to be repaid), the second for the price damage as a result of the hack, and thirdly due to forced liquidation far below market price
[2016-08-07 05:32:32] zanza : anyone know why you weren't able to reduce? I never tried it
[2016-08-07 05:33:20] TheMightyX : zanza: sorry, I haven't tried that either
[2016-08-07 05:33:21] zanza : Why did you trade on Finex, and not here TheMightyX ?
[2016-08-07 05:33:23] miramm1115 : lockhedge: their tokens will be worthless. our lawyer is already preparing cease and desist letter and we didn't even had that much USD their. I can imagine the shitstorm from big fish lawyers on Mondays
[2016-08-07 05:33:40] TheMightyX : because bitfinex was the first site I found out had margin trading for ETC
[2016-08-07 05:33:44] TheMightyX : and their liquidity is much higher
[2016-08-07 05:33:44] miramm1115 : *USD there, stupid autocorrect
[2016-08-07 05:34:36] zanza : are ETC balanced lost?
[2016-08-07 05:34:40] TheMightyX : at least on Bitfinex I could close positions without taking a considerable hit as I did here
[2016-08-07 05:34:50] TheMightyX : zanza: they said only BTC affected (stolen)
[2016-08-07 05:35:03] zanza : yeah, but are the pooling ALL accounts loss?
[2016-08-07 05:35:12] miramm1115 : zanza: only BTC was stolen but all assets will get 36% haircut
[2016-08-07 05:35:15] TheMightyX : yes
[2016-08-07 05:35:18] zanza : wow
[2016-08-07 05:35:25] TheMightyX : yes, but its not as bad as it sounds
[2016-08-07 05:35:25] zanza : they will lose their USD bank ties for sure
[2016-08-07 05:35:33] TheMightyX : no its not permanent haircut
[2016-08-07 05:35:40] miramm1115 : by law they can't treat USD the same as crypto
[2016-08-07 05:35:42] TheMightyX : they 'intend' to pay back everyone in full
[2016-08-07 05:35:58] TheMightyX : the haircut is a shortterm measure to get the site back up and running
[2016-08-07 05:36:02] zanza : didn't Mark Karpales say that ?
[2016-08-07 05:36:11] TheMightyX : ugh please... some positivity
[2016-08-07 05:36:17] zanza : sry bro
[2016-08-07 05:36:20] miramm1115 : crypto is not money in most jurisdictions but USD is
[2016-08-07 05:36:27] TheMightyX : Not only did I lose my very favorable open position there, I lost my base 8.3 BTC
[2016-08-07 05:36:44] zanza : u should get like 5 back ?
[2016-08-07 05:36:55] TheMightyX : i had an open position, it was so good... When i went to liquidate it at .006 I was so happy
[2016-08-07 05:37:16] TheMightyX : for all of 2 minutes after I woke up and checked price, I was so happy XD
[2016-08-07 05:37:36] Tetsuo : TheMightyX: at least you had 2 lucky minutes
[2016-08-07 05:37:57] TheMightyX : yea, i suppose
[2016-08-07 05:38:02] Spofas : willybot: you can always market make urself
[2016-08-07 05:38:10] TheMightyX : unfortunately they are pegging prices at market several hours before it skyrocketed
[2016-08-07 05:38:14] zanza : yes, - fees
[2016-08-07 05:38:40] willybot : Yeah sorry but after that I dont trust this exchange to sit 100btc on. Thanks
[2016-08-07 05:39:02] willybot : I was testing this place for a good month first but Ive seen all I need
[2016-08-07 05:39:20] TheMightyX : willybot: yea they need to scale back a bit until liquidity is higher I think
[2016-08-07 05:39:55] willybot : TheMightyX: I suspect they may operate the bot
[2016-08-07 05:40:01] Spofas : i mean, you should be sizing ur positions acording to existing liquidty imo
[2016-08-07 05:40:20] TheMightyX : Spofas: i was, the difference was always 10-15
[2016-08-07 05:40:30] willybot : Spofas: I was a few days ago and then the MM just decided to remove the buy side
[2016-08-07 05:40:36] TheMightyX : but during crash the difference in price between here and polo was 50-60
[2016-08-07 05:40:44] willybot : I couldnt even cash out on last nights rise
[2016-08-07 05:41:06] willybot : They saw me coming im not an idiot.
[2016-08-07 05:41:22] zanza : why weren't you able to change your Margin % ?
[2016-08-07 05:41:27] Spofas : ya etc has been trading under spot since last settlement
[2016-08-07 05:41:31] zanza : Liq Price
[2016-08-07 05:41:58] willybot : ETC has been trading like this after I entered a large position.
[2016-08-07 05:42:30] willybot : The internals didnt want me cashing out on them
[2016-08-07 05:42:42] lockhedge : miramm1115: it's interesting that they do not mention BFXNA Inc. in their statement (the company for US customers), it's possible that US customers will not be affected because they fear US regulators
[2016-08-07 05:43:19] zanza : yeah, I think they will release USD in full
[2016-08-07 05:43:28] zanza : for US accounts i mean, then everyone else = haircut
[2016-08-07 05:44:12] miramm1115 : lockhedge: more than likely, they cannot touch USD of US account holders without big repercussions
[2016-08-07 05:45:10] Rado : I read that 36% is the loss
[2016-08-07 05:45:20] Rado : i thought it was 64
[2016-08-07 05:45:32] Rado : which one is it?
[2016-08-07 05:45:32] ersagun : that was a gossip
[2016-08-07 05:45:39] ersagun : 36% is loss
[2016-08-07 05:45:49] Rado : Pfew
[2016-08-07 05:45:59] zanza : 64% of Bitcoin
[2016-08-07 05:46:07] Rado : that's at least some good news
[2016-08-07 05:46:10] zanza : which apparently equals 36% of BTC, ETH, ETC, and Fiat
[2016-08-07 05:46:40] Rado : this is good for me because I had mostly BTC
[2016-08-07 05:46:46] ersagun : I'm still waiting for them to announce the "cut-off" time for deposits made during the hack day as 30% of my total crypto portfolio is still sitting in my deposit address
[2016-08-07 05:47:39] lockhedge : Rado: "After much thought, analysis, and consultation, we have arrived at the conclusion that losses must be generalized across all accounts and assets. This is the closest approximation to what would happen in a liquidation context. Upon logging into the platform, customers will see that they have experienced a generalized loss percentage of 36.067%."
[2016-08-07 05:47:43] lockhedge : https://www.bitfinex.com
[2016-08-07 05:48:16] Rado : lockhedge: thanks
[2016-08-07 05:49:00] miramm1115 : Rado: I'm very interested to hear your reasoning that it's good news. Let say you deposited your money to your bank and they said: sorry we got robbed, 64% of your funds are gone and we will do shit to compensate you. Few days later they said, ok, only 36% of your money is lost but we will still do nothing to compensate you. And you are happy?
[2016-08-07 05:49:36] zanza : the first case, ONLY BTC customers affected
[2016-08-07 05:50:07] Rado : miramm1115: They might issue token for the 36% loss
[2016-08-07 05:50:09] lockhedge : their first plan was insane
[2016-08-07 05:50:19] Rado : later you might be able to redeem it
[2016-08-07 05:50:33] Rado : i said the good news was for me not everyone
[2016-08-07 05:50:43] ersagun : The thing is, you shouldn't compare Bitfinex to Deutsche Bank
[2016-08-07 05:50:52] Rado : I prefer 36 rather than 64
[2016-08-07 05:50:55] Rado : loss
[2016-08-07 05:51:06] Rado : since all my funds were in BTC
[2016-08-07 05:51:11] zanza : ^ lol
[2016-08-07 05:51:44] lockhedge : Rado: it's still insane that they plan not using any of the group's profits to compensate customers
[2016-08-07 05:52:10] miramm1115 : you don't even know anything except the made up numbers they tell you. where independent audit of the finances? where is the confirmation that the stolen money don't end up in pgp pocket?
[2016-08-07 05:52:11] Rado : Agree
[2016-08-07 05:52:12] ersagun : lockhedge: I'm not sure if that's a fact though
[2016-08-07 05:53:09] Rado : miramm1115: I don't think they can say now as there is investigation. I think it will come out later
[2016-08-07 05:53:41] Rado : but I agree with you that it's not good
[2016-08-07 05:53:48] Tetsuo : lol, there is no investigation
[2016-08-07 05:54:02] Rado : Of course there is
[2016-08-07 05:54:13] Rado : it's not up to Bitfinex
[2016-08-07 05:54:18] Tetsuo : sure, that´s what they tell ya
[2016-08-07 05:54:20] miramm1115 : they have only 2 real options: arguing in court that BitGo wallets belong to individual wallets and finex is not responsible or full bankruptcy proceedings
[2016-08-07 05:54:30] Tetsuo : textbook exit scam
[2016-08-07 05:55:10] miramm1115 : *belong to individual customers
[2016-08-07 05:56:11] Rado : We all know they fucked up
[2016-08-07 05:56:28] Rado : it's done
[2016-08-07 05:56:40] miramm1115 : or hiding with the money in some non-extradition country, it's always an option ;-)
[2016-08-07 05:56:46] Rado : do you want them to bankrupt and get nothing
[2016-08-07 05:57:15] Rado : just so the truth comes out
[2016-08-07 05:57:57] Rado : if I did not have an account there I would be for the "truth" as well
[2016-08-07 05:58:34] Rado : lockhedge: isn't there a way to follow the stolen BTC?
[2016-08-07 05:59:36] Rado : lockhedge: are you on the ETC market here?
[2016-08-07 05:59:55] lockhedge : Rado: follow stolen BTC http://pastebin.com/2XSASEEZ
[2016-08-07 06:00:05] lockhedge : Rado: no only on XBTUSD
[2016-08-07 06:00:52] Rado : Thanks
[2016-08-07 06:02:07] lockhedge : my MM bot has about 15% market share on XBTUSD, no single MM is able to manipulate this market ;)
[2016-08-07 06:02:53] Rado : Great
[2016-08-07 06:03:18] Rado : how many MMs on ETC
[2016-08-07 06:03:32] Rado : it's been hard to trade it
[2016-08-07 06:06:18] TheMightyX : Rado: I've been forced to liquidate twice, I wouldn't risk it on this site
[2016-08-07 06:06:34] miramm1115 : Rado: yes, I want full bankruptcy proceedings with directors personally liable because anything else gives all bitcoin companies a license to steal from customers with any repercussions
[2016-08-07 06:06:51] miramm1115 : *without any repercussions
[2016-08-07 06:07:18] Rado : miramm1115: can we do it after I pull my fund :)
[2016-08-07 06:07:30] TheMightyX : miramm1115: I will have to respectfully disagree with you, I'd rather they resume business and pay me back 100% in 6 months, than give me 36% and go out of business
[2016-08-07 06:08:05] TheMightyX : they can be sued afterwards, the most important thing right now is securing their customers funds
[2016-08-07 06:09:59] Rado : TheMightyX: I am not risking much
[2016-08-07 06:10:11] TheMightyX : think thats relative
[2016-08-07 06:10:15] Rado : all my trades are small compared to my balance
[2016-08-07 06:10:27] Rado : luquidations are far
[2016-08-07 06:10:31] Rado : and
[2016-08-07 06:10:49] Rado : I use stop far closer to any liq
[2016-08-07 06:11:32] Rado : trading is about capital preservation and risk management
[2016-08-07 06:11:38] Rado : not gambling
[2016-08-07 06:22:49] bernx : almost 1kk ETC dumped
[2016-08-07 06:23:04] bernx : and eth don't pumped
[2016-08-07 06:23:05] bernx : wtf
[2016-08-07 06:24:09] willybot : Does anyone know who the COO of bitmex is?
[2016-08-07 06:27:00] willybot : lockhedge: thank you
[2016-08-07 06:46:10] Rado : lockhedge: can you see stop orders buy doing API call?
[2016-08-07 06:47:19] lockhedge : Rado: your own stops?
[2016-08-07 06:47:51] Rado : No
[2016-08-07 06:49:56] Rado : So only bitmex "knows" where my stop is
[2016-08-07 06:51:15] lockhedge : afaik yes, only the trading engine knows
[2016-08-07 06:51:44] Rado : Good
[2016-08-07 06:52:36] Rado : So we are stuck now untill bitfinex do something
[2016-08-07 06:52:45] Rado : I mean btc price
[2016-08-07 06:54:04] bernx : Looks like BFX will exit scam
[2016-08-07 06:59:15] rapidtrades : guys
[2016-08-07 06:59:50] rapidtrades : looks like i jumped the gun on my long here....there's still lil bit juice left in those rolls
[2016-08-07 07:00:08] rapidtrades : what was the previous funding fee?
[2016-08-07 07:05:16] Rado : rapidtrades: you are long?
[2016-08-07 07:06:08] Rado : We need to retes 500
[2016-08-07 07:06:18] Rado : Re test
[2016-08-07 07:06:31] rapidtrades : agree but finex messed up my short
[2016-08-07 07:07:22] rapidtrades : they're really going with this crazy scheme, they just moved what's left of their coins
[2016-08-07 07:07:28] rapidtrades : crazy ppl
[2016-08-07 07:07:58] Rado : Moved it where?
[2016-08-07 07:08:06] rapidtrades : who knows
[2016-08-07 07:08:12] rapidtrades : hopefully cold storage
[2016-08-07 07:08:22] bernx : they show only 71k BTC
[2016-08-07 07:08:24] rapidtrades : another bitgo wallet? lol
[2016-08-07 07:08:33] Rado : Lol
[2016-08-07 07:08:41] rapidtrades : yeah they lost 2/3 of coins from their 'cold storage'
[2016-08-07 07:08:59] bernx : https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4wiw3q/bitfinex_has_725k_btc_left_or_someone_just_stole/d67dnex?context=3
[2016-08-07 07:09:10] rapidtrades : man there are so many fronts this company can be sued on
[2016-08-07 07:09:27] bernx : Just for me it looks like exit scam. THis random drop on ETC today approve my theory
[2016-08-07 07:09:29] Rado : rapidtrades: my plan is simple
[2016-08-07 07:09:41] Rado : Short here and risk 1 btc
[2016-08-07 07:09:44] rapidtrades : negligence, deceptive marketing, mingling of funds, running a ponzi
[2016-08-07 07:09:49] lockhedge : if they are now in control of their (U.S.) customer's coins they are violatinf the CEA and will again have problems with the CFTC
[2016-08-07 07:09:50] Rado : Make back all my loss
[2016-08-07 07:09:55] Rado : :)
[2016-08-07 07:10:31] rapidtrades : lockhedge: i fear that bitfinex may attempt to do a preferential deal with some ppl...like whales or Ameros
[2016-08-07 07:10:54] rapidtrades : are u guys verified on there?
[2016-08-07 07:11:42] lockhedge : rapidtrades: this would be "Unfair preference" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfair_preference which is illegal even on the British Virgin Islands
[2016-08-07 07:11:44] Rado : I am because I had to do wire transfer
[2016-08-07 07:13:15] rapidtrades : lockhedge: they don't care about the law
[2016-08-07 07:14:01] rapidtrades : pretty sure they're not allowed to redistribute funds without a bankruptcy process but they seem to want to do it anyway
[2016-08-07 07:14:32] lockhedge : rapidtrades: fully agree
[2016-08-07 07:15:42] willybot : Bitfinex are finished I can assure you
[2016-08-07 07:16:12] trestres : if they will redistribute all funds we can expect they need to buy BTC selling ETH and ETC
[2016-08-07 07:17:32] Rado : trestres: they will close all position even if there is no distribution
[2016-08-07 07:17:53] Rado : For accounting purpose
[2016-08-07 07:18:06] Rado : So they can balance the loss
[2016-08-07 07:18:27] trestres : Rado: yes... this is first step
[2016-08-07 07:19:25] trestres : imagine you had BTC... you will have same amount less your losses... how to put them in your account?
[2016-08-07 07:20:34] lockhedge : the first thing they should have done is independent third-party auditing and making clear that Bitfinex's equity will be used to compensate losses.
[2016-08-07 07:20:36] rapidtrades : guy on reddit says they only lost 52% of coins
[2016-08-07 07:20:53] rapidtrades : so they're deliberately f*cking u shorts to bailout the longs
[2016-08-07 07:22:19] lockhedge : without full transparency every attempt to reach a deal is a joke
[2016-08-07 07:22:38] Rado : lockhedge: the stolen coins went to different addreses?
[2016-08-07 07:22:51] Rado : How did the do that?
[2016-08-07 07:23:19] Rado : Create a new address for each transaction?
[2016-08-07 07:23:44] Rado : Can it be all in one wallet?
[2016-08-07 07:24:34] rapidtrades : he don't know and they prolly don't know either
[2016-08-07 07:24:41] lockhedge : Rado: yes seems like all non-P2SH addresses belong to the "hacker" http://pastebin.com/2XSASEEZ
[2016-08-07 07:25:44] Rado : This is for sure an inseder
[2016-08-07 07:25:59] Rado : Either bitfinex or bitgo
[2016-08-07 07:27:02] lockhedge : their security concept (automated co-signing) was flawed enough without an insider
[2016-08-07 07:28:15] Rado : Tes, but you can't initiate a withdrawal without beign inside
[2016-08-07 07:31:21] bernx : Someone here was know about ETC drop
[2016-08-07 07:33:43] lockhedge : Rado: if one single party had enough power to initiate these withdrawals, then it would also have been enough to hack this single "insider"
[2016-08-07 07:34:23] lockhedge : Rado: with automated co-signing they actually 1-of-3 multisig hot wallets
[2016-08-07 07:57:28] Rado : bernx: that's funny statement
[2016-08-07 07:57:53] Rado : It's like saying people follow the price
[2016-08-07 07:58:29] Rado : If you want the price to go up, but it doesn't
[2016-08-07 07:58:51] Rado : It's only your fault for not getting out
[2016-08-07 08:15:16] bernx : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpPgIg9UsAAf9sE.jpg:large
[2016-08-07 08:23:01] bernx : Rado: cmon you can't predict this large random movements. Like you can predict BFX hack with inside open shorts . There the same
[2016-08-07 08:24:08] bernx : Rado: there is was something shit, noone trader will sell 2.2k BTC worht in one order, he split this for maximize profit. No?
[2016-08-07 08:56:39] Tetsuo : bernx: megalol @zane conversation Screenshot. Ridiculous
[2016-08-07 09:48:26] ctpact : btc is easy to predict many noobs play with it
[2016-08-07 09:48:56] wotan : sow hats yur prediction for today
[2016-08-07 09:49:07] ctpact : I predict almost all major btc moves last year
[2016-08-07 09:49:39] jesperf : wow then you must have several 1000 btc
[2016-08-07 09:49:41] ctpact : the last one
[2016-08-07 09:49:44] ctpact : https://www.tradingview.com/x/DVDvW9Da/
[2016-08-07 09:50:02] ctpact : https://www.tradingview.com/x/4GVPqOog/
[2016-08-07 09:50:32] wotan : so prediction next days?
[2016-08-07 09:51:02] justinlooking : http://anony.ws/image/Nn1B
[2016-08-07 09:51:14] wotan : you predicted a downer but the fall was because of bitfinex
[2016-08-07 09:51:16] justinlooking : btc-e got depth!
[2016-08-07 09:51:18] ctpact : I play with charts and this casino site here dont post real trades on charts
[2016-08-07 09:53:44] ctpact : justinlooking: what a mystery image lol
[2016-08-07 09:54:19] wotan : yes:)
[2016-08-07 09:54:54] wotan : i think we move a bit sidewards today then a push over 2900 and stabilitze at over 2900 would be nice
[2016-08-07 09:55:13] wotan : 3900 of course
[2016-08-07 09:59:31] wotan : but lets see
[2016-08-07 10:03:06] lockhedge : justinlooking: itBit is currently the most liquid BTCUSD exchange, based on depth and volume https://tradeblock.com/markets/
[2016-08-07 10:03:52] justinlooking : yeh - has been since finex pop....
[2016-08-07 10:05:58] lockhedge : justinlooking: what? btc-e sell orders in their book or itbit liquidity?
[2016-08-07 10:06:42] justinlooking : itbit's liquidity
[2016-08-07 10:07:00] justinlooking : btc-e growth is notable, and because no-fees for a month
[2016-08-07 10:07:25] justinlooking : ..presumably
[2016-08-07 10:17:21] lockhedge : just keep in mind when trading there that btc-e usually trades at a relatively high discount because it is the only liquid exchange where criminals can dump their coins
[2016-08-07 10:20:51] wotan : nice push over 3900
[2016-08-07 11:13:27] Techemy : ItBit most liquid in USD pair. Kraken killing it on Euro: http://bravenewcoin.com/bitcoin?mkt=EUR#Exchanges
[2016-08-07 11:19:59] subjective : Is Euro/XBT coming to Bitmex soon?
[2016-08-07 11:20:49] subjective : saw it on test net
[2016-08-07 11:21:09] justinlooking : it;s been there ages i think
[2016-08-07 11:22:33] subjective : justinlooking: yep, it's been there for months. I am wondering if they are testing to release it soon
[2016-08-07 11:22:51] Zyzz : what time to they send withdraws again?
[2016-08-07 11:29:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 35 @ 0.003915
[2016-08-07 11:30:21] bernx : wow etc
[2016-08-07 11:33:36] justinlooking : u mean rETC
[2016-08-07 11:34:46] fsec : etc ded
[2016-08-07 11:45:25] Mm bot : congrats to Bitmex on ETC market, some nice column here.
[2016-08-07 11:46:04] habibi : Mm bot: u the main market maker?
[2016-08-07 11:46:29] Mm bot : habibi: small time MM
[2016-08-07 12:00:13] REKT : Liquidated short on `LTCXBT`: Buy 6704 @ 0.00637
[2016-08-07 12:32:34] VenCap : can i set up 2fa here?
[2016-08-07 12:37:42] jesperf : VenCap: you can and you should. click account up top and then "my account" in the menu to the left
[2016-08-07 12:37:51] habibi : https://www.bitmex.com/app/account Enable 2fa
[2016-08-07 12:38:02] VenCap : yeah found it, cheers.
[2016-08-07 12:51:29] willybot : Mm bot: are you joking?
[2016-08-07 12:52:30] Mm bot : willybot: what was the joke again?
[2016-08-07 13:00:57] rapidtrades : hey does anyone have enough $$$ to chat on btce
[2016-08-07 13:01:48] rapidtrades : they don't count what u have on mt4 unfortunately and need to ask smth
[2016-08-07 13:06:58] rapidtrades : want to know if the no fees extends to mt4 or just the exchange
[2016-08-07 13:09:13] rapidtrades : btw has there been a change in code? chat seems super laggy
[2016-08-07 13:16:45] Rado : rapidtrades: no fees on btce?
[2016-08-07 13:16:56] rapidtrades : yes
[2016-08-07 13:16:57] Rado : is it a promotion?
[2016-08-07 13:17:06] rapidtrades : ye
[2016-08-07 13:21:44] VenCap : hey guys new to margin trading here, only done it on polo before, totally different
[2016-08-07 13:22:06] VenCap : if i am right, i can select a price and then click close. if it hits price, it will close. correct? (margin trading)
[2016-08-07 13:24:12] Rado : VenCap: start with using the Place Order menu on the top left
[2016-08-07 13:24:27] Rado : I would not use the Close button just yet
[2016-08-07 13:24:50] VenCap : hi Rado, place order to close a short position?
[2016-08-07 13:24:56] Rado : yes
[2016-08-07 13:25:20] Rado : if you have a short and want to close you can click buy/long
[2016-08-07 13:25:26] Rado : either market or limit
[2016-08-07 13:25:43] rapidtrades : anyone tried steemet
[2016-08-07 13:25:46] VenCap : does the buy not turn into a long?
[2016-08-07 13:25:48] rapidtrades : or whatever its spelled
[2016-08-07 13:25:59] Rado : VenCap: no
[2016-08-07 13:26:09] Rado : rapidtrades: I opened an account there
[2016-08-07 13:26:15] Rado : haven't done much with it
[2016-08-07 13:26:41] VenCap : so if i want to close short at 355 how would i do it?
[2016-08-07 13:27:20] Rado : VenCap: which contract?
[2016-08-07 13:27:29] VenCap : a short on etc
[2016-08-07 13:28:00] VenCap : need a simple way to close it.
[2016-08-07 13:28:05] Rado : place a buy at 0.00355
[2016-08-07 13:28:08] VenCap : this is totally different than poloniex
[2016-08-07 13:28:18] VenCap : rado, to confirm buy does NOT turn into a long?
[2016-08-07 13:28:20] Rado : if it hit that price it will close your short
[2016-08-07 13:28:41] jesperf : VenCap: it turns into a long if you buy more contracts than you have sold
[2016-08-07 13:28:43] Rado : rapidtrades: I see the lag as well
[2016-08-07 13:28:58] VenCap : thing is...how do you place an order to buy at "x" price?
[2016-08-07 13:29:16] Rado : same way
[2016-08-07 13:29:22] VenCap : can i not just close it in the positions box?
[2016-08-07 13:29:25] Rado : buying or closing short is the same
[2016-08-07 13:29:38] Rado : you can, but it will do the same
[2016-08-07 13:29:56] Rado : there is no close order like on Polo
[2016-08-07 13:30:03] Rado : here you have to specify the price
[2016-08-07 13:30:41] VenCap : i see. and when do profits get released?
[2016-08-07 13:31:20] Rado : for ETC contract in 5 days
[2016-08-07 13:31:26] VenCap : so friday?
[2016-08-07 13:31:31] Rado : yes
[2016-08-07 13:31:46] Rado : sometimes BitMEX will release profits earlier
[2016-08-07 13:31:50] VenCap : every 5 days.. so if i close thursday... i will have to wait until next thursday?
[2016-08-07 13:32:06] Rado : VenCap: no
[2016-08-07 13:32:12] Rado : you will get it Friday
[2016-08-07 13:32:16] rapidtrades : does polo require IDs
[2016-08-07 13:32:27] VenCap : ah. so as long as i close before friday i get it friday
[2016-08-07 13:32:32] Rado : all profits get released on Friday regardless of when you closed the order
[2016-08-07 13:32:42] VenCap : cheers Rado.
[2016-08-07 13:32:46] Rado : np
[2016-08-07 13:33:48] Rado : rapidtrades: I don't think so
[2016-08-07 13:34:35] willybot : Do Bitmex operate the trading bots on the site?
[2016-08-07 13:34:47] willybot : Answer: Yes.
[2016-08-07 13:36:30] Rado : willybot: what do you mean?
[2016-08-07 13:37:26] Rado : I don't think they run market maker bots
[2016-08-07 13:37:55] willybot : Rado: I have proof.
[2016-08-07 13:38:30] Rado : lets see it
[2016-08-07 13:38:51] willybot : Rado: Tuesday/ Wednesday afternoon
[2016-08-07 13:39:12] habibi : willybot: could u expand it?
[2016-08-07 13:40:15] Rado : willybot: is it illegal to do this?
[2016-08-07 13:41:00] willybot : They had a chance to reason with me but decided not to. Now I will make this a known fact in the circle
[2016-08-07 13:41:15] willybot : Rado: No it is not. And highly unethical
[2016-08-07 13:41:44] willybot : Its not the legalities that finish this exchange, its the reputation
[2016-08-07 13:41:46] habibi : willybot: looking forward for real proof, not just crap talk :)
[2016-08-07 13:42:24] willybot : habibi: Do about 5 mins of research and you will connect enough dots without needing trade data
[2016-08-07 13:42:47] habibi : its still speculation as long as real proof is not here
[2016-08-07 13:42:48] Rado : willybot: it will be really bad if the bot knows what the trader positions are and uses that information to trade
[2016-08-07 13:43:07] willybot : Rado: Take a look at ETC7D after the 5th
[2016-08-07 13:43:16] willybot : Rado: Notice the quote spread?
[2016-08-07 13:43:51] Rado : right now it's normal
[2016-08-07 13:43:53] habibi : ? yea whats about spread? how it indicates Arthur as a market maker creator or Sam?
[2016-08-07 13:43:55] willybot : Thats after I entered a 16k long. They dropped the bids so I coudn't take profit, even in the 50s
[2016-08-07 13:44:10] habibi : yea coz ur main counter player is market maker anyway
[2016-08-07 13:44:11] willybot : habibi: I have an email from him
[2016-08-07 13:44:37] willybot : The guys that run this show run the bots
[2016-08-07 13:44:42] Rado : willybot: that doesn't make sense
[2016-08-07 13:44:52] habibi : so he is playing against u and he is greedy as fck, and kinda trapping people all the time
[2016-08-07 13:45:01] willybot : habibi: correct
[2016-08-07 13:45:01] habibi : but still its not doesnt proof anything u say
[2016-08-07 13:45:01] Rado : if the market in ETC is going up it doesn't matter if they have a bid or not
[2016-08-07 13:45:05] Rado : users will bid it
[2016-08-07 13:45:07] lockhedge : willybot: you have an e-mail that says what? could you paste it somewhere?
[2016-08-07 13:45:13] Rado : the problem is ETC market is going down
[2016-08-07 13:45:34] willybot : I have trade data to support this and also internal docs
[2016-08-07 13:46:03] habibi : market maker is here to make money and he will trap u every time he can, but its still can be outside guy. Don't get me wrong, i am willing to believe u if u support it with real evidence
[2016-08-07 13:46:27] willybot : lockhedge: Give me a few days I am compiling eveything I have and will have some help getting it together
[2016-08-07 13:47:30] Rado : willybot: you just missed the time to sell
[2016-08-07 13:47:37] habibi : willybot: u will get a nice tip from me if evidence will be 100% trustworthy :) otherwise its fud
[2016-08-07 13:47:48] Rado : I shorted at 0.0062 and in the 0.005s
[2016-08-07 13:48:02] rapidtrades : i hope its not true
[2016-08-07 13:48:03] Rado : does that make me playing against your long?
[2016-08-07 13:48:10] rapidtrades : im running out of exchanges
[2016-08-07 13:48:11] willybot : Rado: No, they removed all bids
[2016-08-07 13:48:22] Rado : why is that a problem?
[2016-08-07 13:48:48] Rado : if ETC was going up that is actually good for traders
[2016-08-07 13:49:19] willybot : Rado: If you cant understand why running your own bots and using hidden market data to advantage is wrong you shouldnt be in this game
[2016-08-07 13:49:21] habibi : if the exposure of MM is too big he will remove 1 side as he cant hedge that on margin markets
[2016-08-07 13:49:31] Rado : willybot: the volume on ETC was way higher to care about your 16k position
[2016-08-07 13:49:41] rapidtrades : willybot: shut up and show ur proof
[2016-08-07 13:49:54] lockhedge : willybot: probably the main market maker was "sold out" on the bid side and/or had no possibility to hedge
[2016-08-07 13:50:15] Rado : it's the first time you said something that makes sense
[2016-08-07 13:50:24] rapidtrades : are u sure its hat and not sure GIANT 911 CONSPIRACY
[2016-08-07 13:50:26] Rado : if they use the data to make decisions that is illegal
[2016-08-07 13:50:31] rapidtrades : @lockhedge
[2016-08-07 13:51:06] rapidtrades : chat lag messed up what i wanted to say
[2016-08-07 13:51:15] habibi : i mean bitmex has specialist in market making, and they can instantly contact market maker whenever u wanna bigger order for u but its still doesnt make it real. doesnt proof they are mming
[2016-08-07 13:52:16] Rado : habibi: it's a problem if they use data from the exchange to trade
[2016-08-07 13:52:25] Rado : like knowing where orders are
[2016-08-07 13:52:35] Rado : that is what I was asking lockhedge yesterday
[2016-08-07 13:52:45] Rado : if the MM knows where my stop is they can run it
[2016-08-07 13:52:46] habibi : it is but as i said, no proof so far for anything that relates them to mming here.
[2016-08-07 13:53:41] Rado : where did moderators go by the way?
[2016-08-07 13:53:46] Rado : no one from BitMEX in here
[2016-08-07 13:53:57] willybot : http://imgur.com/a/hK39r
[2016-08-07 13:54:10] willybot : We tend to "nudge" them from time to time
[2016-08-07 13:54:21] willybot : We have "close" relationships
[2016-08-07 13:55:06] habibi : hm
[2016-08-07 13:55:09] willybot : Its a known fact they operate the market makers
[2016-08-07 13:55:11] lockhedge : large MMs and exchanges always have close relationships, doesn't say that they give them insider information
[2016-08-07 13:55:11] habibi : that second picture is interesing
[2016-08-07 13:55:22] willybot : Thats what they set out to do
[2016-08-07 13:55:43] Rado : willybot: this doesn't proof anything
[2016-08-07 13:55:46] habibi : where did u get that picture from?
[2016-08-07 13:56:00] Rado : if they give MMs data their business is done
[2016-08-07 13:56:15] habibi : Once the exchange is up and running Arthur primary responsibility will be to market make futures and option on bitcoin vs fiar currency.
[2016-08-07 13:56:16] willybot : Rado: no. The trade data I have does
[2016-08-07 13:56:18] Rado : habibi: it's public on the internet
[2016-08-07 13:56:32] Roevenger : I saw a couple of whales promoting bitmex before, so I think you're wrong @willybot
[2016-08-07 13:57:12] willybot : Close relations is all I need
[2016-08-07 13:57:18] Zyzz : Rado: you never got back to me
[2016-08-07 13:57:45] habibi : lockhedge: i agree totally, just saying its weird that Arth was suppose to mm here and after all they saying he is not at all
[2016-08-07 13:58:07] willybot : habibi: Thats just the start of what I found
[2016-08-07 14:04:47] willybot : Can anybody give me a registered address for this exchange?
[2016-08-07 14:11:33] lockhedge : willybot: i guess it's HDR Global Trading Limited 2nd Floor, Capital City, Independence Avenue P.O. Box 1008, Victoria, Mahe, Republic of Seychelles
[2016-08-07 14:13:06] macios15 : reeeerekt
[2016-08-07 14:13:33] Rado : by the way when I was searching for the address here is what they have on their about us page
[2016-08-07 14:13:38] Rado : Co-Founder and COO Builds market making and high frequency trading systems.
[2016-08-07 14:13:59] Rado : they want the COO to have MM experiance
[2016-08-07 14:14:00] Rado : :-)
[2016-08-07 14:14:44] habibi : its still nothing bad as long as he is not using that expierience in programming mms here
[2016-08-07 14:16:40] Rado : Bitfinex will issue BFX tokens to customers to record each customer's discrete losses. These tokens will remain outstanding until Bitfinex redeems them in full or until they are exchange for iFinex Inc's shares (upon both customers' request and Bitfinex acceptance). The issuance of these tokens is meant to reassure customers that the losses are not permanent and Bitfinex intends to continue operations once it is relaunched.
[2016-08-07 14:17:00] Rado : I think Bitfinex has a chance to survive if the market accepts the tokens
[2016-08-07 14:17:25] Rado : One thing I am worried is this tokens have no direct link to actual shares of iFinex
[2016-08-07 14:18:14] Rado : The BFX tokens represent unsecured debt obligations of Bitfinex – a commitment to repay money at a future point in time. If these tokens can be traded, it would offer a way out for customers who are in need of liquidity.
[2016-08-07 14:18:32] Rado : The value at which these tokens trade would represent the market's confidence in Bitfinex.
[2016-08-07 14:25:50] bernx : Wow! 590
[2016-08-07 14:25:58] Rado : wow?
[2016-08-07 14:26:09] bernx : wow. Slowpoke.
[2016-08-07 14:26:17] Rado : looks like the market wants to be as close as possible to $604
[2016-08-07 14:26:24] Rado : the price Bitifinex went off line
[2016-08-07 14:27:02] Rado : there will be a reaction hen they come online
[2016-08-07 14:27:09] Rado : the big question is up or down
[2016-08-07 14:27:49] Tetsuo : I highly doubt that they will come back online with anything more than a read only ever
[2016-08-07 14:28:58] Tetsuo : They couldn´t handle shit in the past, there will be thousands of accounts displaying wrong balances(negative balances... etc)
[2016-08-07 14:29:01] Rado : if they don't the market will sell off
[2016-08-07 14:29:38] Tetsuo : Also the media is already onto them calling their practice illegal, calling them thieves
[2016-08-07 14:29:49] Tetsuo : They are done
[2016-08-07 14:30:45] Tetsuo : Fukkin crooks
[2016-08-07 14:31:35] lockhedge : Rado: don't think that anything will happen when Bitfinex goes online, your balance will show 36% less but you won't be able to withdraw anything until they have legal certainty which will probably take month
[2016-08-07 14:32:21] Rado : lockhedge: nothing will happen with Bitfinex accounts, but the market will have some indication and it will move
[2016-08-07 14:32:35] Rado : I am still leaning short
[2016-08-07 14:33:19] Zyzz : Rado: Im back now. Did you reply to me earlier?
[2016-08-07 14:33:28] Rado : Zyzz: where?
[2016-08-07 14:33:36] Rado : I did not see a message on twitter
[2016-08-07 14:34:00] Zyzz : Rado: You need to follow me back so i can dm you. @Taxpayer
[2016-08-07 14:34:13] Rado : I think I did
[2016-08-07 14:34:15] Rado : let me check
[2016-08-07 14:34:50] Rado : done now
[2016-08-07 14:34:54] Rado : lol at your handle
[2016-08-07 14:34:58] Rado : taxpayer?
[2016-08-07 14:35:10] Tetsuo : lockhedge: lol@legal certainity -> they won´t never ever get that for their proposed solution
[2016-08-07 14:35:21] Zyzz : Rado: :D
[2016-08-07 14:39:08] lockhedge : Tetsuo: they probably just wanted to pay time with this offer (or they are very naive)
[2016-08-07 14:40:28] Tetsuo : Karpeles was naive, Bitfinex was a team of crooks from the beginning
[2016-08-07 14:44:18] HackedOnBFX : wooooooooo ETC
[2016-08-07 14:44:20] HackedOnBFX : yeehaw
[2016-08-07 14:45:23] Rado : HackedOnBFX: lol love the nickname
[2016-08-07 14:48:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 190 @ 0.003610
[2016-08-07 14:48:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 589 @ 0.003588
[2016-08-07 14:48:52] Rado : looks like the new guy might get his 0.00355
[2016-08-07 14:49:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 46 @ 0.003560
[2016-08-07 14:49:44] HackedOnBFX : Rado: :)
[2016-08-07 14:50:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 200 @ 0.003506
[2016-08-07 14:50:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 12 @ 0.003477
[2016-08-07 14:50:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 500 @ 0.003486
[2016-08-07 14:50:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 989 @ 0.003458
[2016-08-07 15:17:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 3000 @ 0.003869
[2016-08-07 15:17:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 1000 @ 0.003851
[2016-08-07 15:17:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 650 @ 0.003911
[2016-08-07 15:18:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 3000 @ 0.003826
[2016-08-07 15:20:58] HackedOnBFX : REKT: why am i seeing your trades?
[2016-08-07 15:21:14] Tetsuo : zanetackett: Site won't probably be up today 56 minutes ago
[2016-08-07 15:21:28] justinlooking : REKT is member's bot announcing liqs, leave him alone :P
[2016-08-07 15:22:21] HackedOnBFX : justinlooking: can I turn it off?
[2016-08-07 15:22:59] justinlooking : not easily
[2016-08-07 15:23:57] HackedOnBFX : justinlooking: so is that for everybodies orderS?
[2016-08-07 15:24:06] HackedOnBFX : or is that 1 guy?
[2016-08-07 15:24:27] Rado : everyone
[2016-08-07 15:24:30] Rado : this is not orders
[2016-08-07 15:24:36] Rado : only liquidations
[2016-08-07 15:24:57] HackedOnBFX : Rado: ooooooh
[2016-08-07 15:24:59] justinlooking : Rado, but they kind of are orders
[2016-08-07 15:25:00] HackedOnBFX : like forced liquidations
[2016-08-07 15:25:02] HackedOnBFX : ?
[2016-08-07 15:25:09] justinlooking : yes
[2016-08-07 15:25:17] HackedOnBFX : :(
[2016-08-07 15:25:46] HackedOnBFX : rule #!: don't get margin called
[2016-08-07 15:42:38] Zyzz : Rado: @³
[2016-08-07 15:46:08] daveberns1 : the BFX tokens sound interesting
[2016-08-07 15:46:30] daveberns1 : i give them props for potentially delivering an innovative solution
[2016-08-07 15:47:05] daveberns1 : as for the exchange, i never liked it and never used it after a trial a couple of years ago
[2016-08-07 15:47:30] daveberns1 : it felt cheap and not secure...
[2016-08-07 16:03:21] lockhedge : lawyer to FT about Bitfinex's plan to socialize losses: "would be theft" https://next.ft.com/content/c3b9f89c-5b18-11e6-9f70-badea1b336d4#axzz4Gb3ntjOL
[2016-08-07 16:03:58] habibi : could u pastebin article?
[2016-08-07 16:05:13] justinlooking : habibi, google that link, and click. it will let u thru
[2016-08-07 16:05:37] habibi : ty for tip, worked :)
[2016-08-07 16:09:34] justinlooking : habibi: np
[2016-08-07 16:09:41] justinlooking : smash xbt down to 585 and we'll call it even :P
[2016-08-07 16:28:30] Rado : justinlooking: I am short as well. 585 will be nice to close at
[2016-08-07 16:32:27] bernx : Rado: wow
[2016-08-07 16:32:33] bernx : Rado: how are you know this?
[2016-08-07 16:32:52] Rado : bernx: what?
[2016-08-07 16:32:59] bernx : Rado: about drop and 585
[2016-08-07 16:33:19] Rado : I don't know
[2016-08-07 16:33:43] Tetsuo : he smart
[2016-08-07 16:33:55] Rado : i shorted 597 because it was overbought and I think 600 is resistance
[2016-08-07 16:34:10] Rado : also news are still not good about Bitfinex
[2016-08-07 16:34:25] Rado : so I try to short when it goes up
[2016-08-07 16:35:10] Tetsuo : hopium bullish finex news are already priced in, from now on all news that come out from Finex will lead to another dump
[2016-08-07 16:35:56] Rado : Tetsuo: agreed
[2016-08-07 16:37:13] bernx : Rado: overbought at what timeframe?
[2016-08-07 16:37:38] justinlooking : for finex to announce what they have, they must have otc'd a bunch of btc for usd and eth already
[2016-08-07 16:39:09] bernx : Doesn't looks we go deeper then 3900
[2016-08-07 16:39:39] Rado : bernx: 15 min
[2016-08-07 16:46:16] Rado : Covered 589
[2016-08-07 16:46:22] Rado : probably early
[2016-08-07 16:48:12] Tetsuo : ETH might start a nice really when BTC starts dumpin hard again
[2016-08-07 16:48:23] Tetsuo : *rallye
[2016-08-07 16:49:20] VenCap : hey guys, is there a way to see the total count of active orders.