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[2016-07-27 14:27:51] elmorte : Thought Kraken was already trading etc
[2016-07-27 14:28:45] rapidtrades : why do finex withdrwwals always take hrs to confirm
[2016-07-27 14:29:03] elmorte : Fckin forever...
[2016-07-27 14:29:26] rapidtrades : why tho...are they relaying it to their own nodes or what
[2016-07-27 14:29:31] elmorte : Think it was almost 5 hrs last time
[2016-07-27 14:29:39] elmorte : "Security"
[2016-07-27 14:29:49] BitMEX_Wally : https://bitcoinfees.github.io
[2016-07-27 14:30:08] elmorte : BitMEX_Wally: they don't even broadcast them
[2016-07-27 14:30:09] rapidtrades : i get a wallet notification almost right away but the confirmation takes ages
[2016-07-27 14:30:24] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: They're not putting a high enough fee on it then
[2016-07-27 14:30:28] elmorte : Oh...K then
[2016-07-27 14:30:31] rapidtrades : elmorte: says 0 confirm on mine
[2016-07-27 14:30:57] elmorte : So at least it was broadcast
[2016-07-27 14:31:13] BitMEX_Wally : 0.0001 Bitcoin will take over an hour to confirm, even if it is only 233 bytes (i.e. 1 input, 2 outputs)
[2016-07-27 14:31:18] rapidtrades : this only happens on finex
[2016-07-27 14:31:19] BitMEX_Wally : (a 0.0001 Bitcoin fee)
[2016-07-27 14:31:20] elmorte : I've waited for hours for them to just broadcast eth withdrawals
[2016-07-27 14:32:24] elmorte : rapidtrades: Wally called sleger gay today
[2016-07-27 14:32:59] BitMEX_Wally : I did?
[2016-07-27 14:33:03] rapidtrades : he called me gay too
[2016-07-27 14:33:24] elmorte : Well, you called rapidtrades his bumchum
[2016-07-27 14:33:37] elmorte : You can't be solo gay
[2016-07-27 14:33:44] rapidtrades : +1
[2016-07-27 14:33:49] BitMEX_Wally : Nothing homosexual about being bumchums
[2016-07-27 14:34:10] elmorte : Oh my bad. Missed the #nohomo
[2016-07-27 14:35:28] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: u sure? http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bum%20chum
[2016-07-27 14:35:36] zanza : So do people think this new ETC is like a new IPO for Etherum?
[2016-07-27 14:35:47] zanza : a way to get in at 1/10 the price
[2016-07-27 14:35:51] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: See definition #2
[2016-07-27 14:35:53] elmorte : Maybe it's an old school English thing...
[2016-07-27 14:35:59] BitMEX_Wally : Or the Australian one, which is where I heard the slang first
[2016-07-27 14:36:43] BitMEX_Wally : Still, it's nice to have him back
[2016-07-27 14:36:48] elmorte : So you saying rapid doesn't play for the same team?
[2016-07-27 14:37:20] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades plays for the losing team
[2016-07-27 14:37:26] BitMEX_Wally : sleger plays for the winning team
[2016-07-27 14:37:41] elmorte : Top n bottom, gotcha
[2016-07-27 14:38:31] rapidtrades : 4/7 definitions on that link say gay
[2016-07-27 14:38:39] rapidtrades : so statistics say ur wrong @BitMEX_Wally
[2016-07-27 14:39:01] elmorte : What are you arguing again @rapidtrades ?
[2016-07-27 14:41:49] rapidtrades : oil just took down the sp500
[2016-07-27 14:42:41] rapidtrades : the japs are not responding
[2016-07-27 14:42:57] elmorte : Fckin finex man...based in HK, so they're gonna list etc at midnight local time? Cunts...
[2016-07-27 14:43:30] elmorte : Sorry kittens, I meant cnts
[2016-07-27 14:43:38] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-07-27 14:45:07] elmorte : A word I learnt in Australia too @BitMEX_Wally
[2016-07-27 14:45:27] justinlooking : is sleger back??
[2016-07-27 14:45:29] BitMEX_Wally : I like to gently caress a kitten
[2016-07-27 14:45:30] rapidtrades : left my phone in a cab...fml
[2016-07-27 14:45:58] elmorte : justinlooking: he's lurking
[2016-07-27 14:46:18] elmorte : rapidtrades: run Forest
[2016-07-27 14:46:45] rapidtrades : too late...it was few hrs ago :)
[2016-07-27 14:47:14] elmorte : Don't you have like ethical cabs there?
[2016-07-27 14:47:25] rapidtrades : now we wait to see if ppl are honest or corrupt pieces of shit like i think they are
[2016-07-27 14:47:58] elmorte : Is there any way a driver would know to contact you?
[2016-07-27 14:48:11] rapidtrades : yeah i called and sms-ed him
[2016-07-27 14:48:44] elmorte : As long as it's ringing
[2016-07-27 14:49:01] rapidtrades : it's not an expensive phone so it doesn't make much sense to steal it
[2016-07-27 14:49:25] elmorte : I'd figure you for a Nokia dude
[2016-07-27 14:49:29] rapidtrades : u never know ppl are shit tho
[2016-07-27 14:51:36] elmorte : Is this the same phone where the trollbox doesn't work?
[2016-07-27 14:52:14] rapidtrades : it doesn't work on all phones after they made the changes few weeks ago :)
[2016-07-27 14:52:32] elmorte : I'm typing this on a phone
[2016-07-27 14:52:56] rapidtrades : lucky u
[2016-07-27 14:53:31] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: Not sure what's up with your phone, but you told me a few days ago you weren't logged in
[2016-07-27 14:53:44] BitMEX_Sam : Nobody else has reported issues with the chat on their phones, and I use it all the time on Android/Chrome
[2016-07-27 14:53:55] elmorte : Sorry, too soon @rapidtrades
[2016-07-27 14:54:06] BitMEX_Sam : Would definitely like more information if you're still seeing this issue.
[2016-07-27 14:54:19] jung1 : looks like money from etc flow to exp on polo
[2016-07-27 14:54:24] rapidtrades : yeah i never log in on phones...can't trust my fingers with money
[2016-07-27 14:55:44] elmorte : That leverage slider
[2016-07-27 14:55:50] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: do u have to be logged in? don't see how it changes stuff, like i said i can't switch between contarcts either
[2016-07-27 14:56:05] rapidtrades : some scripting lang issue
[2016-07-27 14:56:11] elmorte : And to think someone asked too add sliding orders to the chart
[2016-07-27 14:56:17] BitMEX_Sam : Could be, but nobody else is experiencing it and I'm not getting any errors from your client
[2016-07-27 14:56:20] elmorte : For*
[2016-07-27 14:56:22] jung1 : elmorte: try this with finex https://www.bitgo.com/instant
[2016-07-27 14:56:25] BitMEX_Sam : Could you confirm Android/Chrome versions?
[2016-07-27 14:56:29] jung1 : they charge some but its instant
[2016-07-27 14:56:49] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: yea if i get it back :)
[2016-07-27 14:57:23] elmorte : Cheers @jung1 . My problem was they take forever to process the withdrawal
[2016-07-27 14:58:03] elmorte : Yesterday I just cancelled it after a while and converted eth to btc.
[2016-07-27 14:58:04] jung1 : yeah but when you withrawal to bitgo wallet by bitinstant
[2016-07-27 14:58:04] jung1 : its instant
[2016-07-27 14:58:12] rapidtrades : there's definitely some funny business at finex
[2016-07-27 14:58:19] rapidtrades : re:withdrawals
[2016-07-27 14:58:27] elmorte : Yeah? Will write it down
[2016-07-27 14:58:45] rapidtrades : do they even change fees? it never shows up for me...how much is it set to
[2016-07-27 14:59:24] elmorte : You can check on your transaction page
[2016-07-27 14:59:37] elmorte : Blockchain.info one
[2016-07-27 14:59:44] elmorte : If btc
[2016-07-27 15:00:15] rapidtrades : says deposits/withdrawals are fre...THERE'S YOUR PROBLEM RIGHT THERE FINEX
[2016-07-27 15:01:08] elmorte : There are wallets/exchanges that do pay fees for their users. They also charge 1% for takers though
[2016-07-27 15:04:49] rapidtrades : they prolly run their own nodes or msth
[2016-07-27 15:05:06] rapidtrades : or they backlog their shit at bitgo who knows
[2016-07-27 15:05:45] rapidtrades : frustrating that u can't pay for speed....arbers could get wrecked easily
[2016-07-27 15:09:02] elmorte : If by wrecked you mean miss out on arbing
[2016-07-27 15:09:51] elmorte : They want you to keep a bit of balance everywhere
[2016-07-27 15:09:57] Rado : FCT funding -3.131%
[2016-07-27 15:10:00] Rado : is that right?
[2016-07-27 15:10:05] jung1 : EXP slack channel going mad, insiders are buying. Join at http://slack.expanse.tech/
[2016-07-27 15:10:52] elmorte : What is it @jung1 ?
[2016-07-27 15:10:55] Rado : I am going to get paid 3% if I am long?
[2016-07-27 15:11:07] jung1 : expanse
[2016-07-27 15:11:16] BitMEX_Sam : Yes @Rado
[2016-07-27 15:11:26] jung1 : http://www.expanse.tech/ pretty cool
[2016-07-27 15:11:29] Rado : BitMEX_Sam: why is it so high?
[2016-07-27 15:11:44] BitMEX_Sam : Rado: It was trading at a significant discount for a long time
[2016-07-27 15:12:04] BitMEX_Sam : The funding rate automatically adjusts to incentivize traders to bring the contract to spot
[2016-07-27 15:12:06] RoftheN : I hope BitMEX adds EXP, I don't trust Poloniex as much as Bitmex
[2016-07-27 15:12:14] Rado : thanks
[2016-07-27 15:13:39] Rado : jung1: not another DAO
[2016-07-27 15:13:43] Rado : please
[2016-07-27 15:13:49] jung1 : hehe
[2016-07-27 15:14:17] jung1 : money is money
[2016-07-27 15:14:23] jung1 : already +50%
[2016-07-27 15:14:28] jung1 : and counting
[2016-07-27 15:16:07] elmorte : jung1: it's an eth clone?
[2016-07-27 15:16:21] jung1 : something like this
[2016-07-27 15:16:31] jung1 : another ultimate blockchain solution
[2016-07-27 15:16:41] jung1 : but with nice community
[2016-07-27 15:16:43] jung1 : and team
[2016-07-27 15:19:21] rapidtrades : please
[2016-07-27 15:19:23] rapidtrades : tell me
[2016-07-27 15:19:25] rapidtrades : more
[2016-07-27 15:23:59] jung1 : I like your mum
[2016-07-27 15:27:24] jung1 : looks like kraken start to dump etc
[2016-07-27 15:27:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 75 @ 0.002697
[2016-07-27 15:27:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 500 @ 0.002696
[2016-07-27 15:33:32] jung1 : lisk have a chance to skyrocket now
[2016-07-27 15:35:06] elmorte : Here's hoping
[2016-07-27 15:37:50] jung1 : maybe a bit
[2016-07-27 15:37:59] jung1 : exp +30% after I post it here
[2016-07-27 15:38:40] fineregex : jung1: really?
[2016-07-27 15:38:48] jung1 : https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_exp
[2016-07-27 15:38:51] fineregex : bought my first exp yesterday
[2016-07-27 15:39:02] jung1 : exp slack is on fire
[2016-07-27 15:39:07] jung1 : insides buy
[2016-07-27 15:39:16] jung1 : its kind of safer, cheaper eth
[2016-07-27 15:39:44] fineregex : because replace attack FUD
[2016-07-27 15:39:45] fineregex : ?
[2016-07-27 15:39:48] fineregex : *replay
[2016-07-27 15:40:58] fineregex : its interesting to watch the etc hashrate pump and dump
[2016-07-27 15:41:52] fineregex : could be almost syncron with price if more would use a script to mine the most profitable stuff
[2016-07-27 15:43:04] fineregex : but average time to switch may many hours
[2016-07-27 15:50:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 86 @ 0.002664
[2016-07-27 15:53:05] ersagun : Guys, do I collect the profit on a perpetual contract on every solve? Practically my positions gets renewed by the market value at that time even though it's actually still the same position. Is that correct?
[2016-07-27 15:53:34] jonny : yes
[2016-07-27 15:54:08] ersagun : Thanks. Learning the basics since yesterday :-)
[2016-07-27 15:56:12] jonny : rebalance of profit/loss is every 24 hours funding every 8 hours
[2016-07-27 15:56:28] jonny : counting down in the top right
[2016-07-27 15:59:22] ersagun : What exactly is the difference between the two?
[2016-07-27 16:03:09] BitMEX_Greg : ersagun: Take a look over: https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide
[2016-07-27 16:03:43] ersagun : BitMEX_Greg: I guess that will be the best for all of us ;-) cheers
[2016-07-27 16:04:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 20512 @ 657.38 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-07-27 16:05:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 3600 @ 659.41
[2016-07-27 16:07:47] jung1 : btc to 666
[2016-07-27 16:17:50] mrp1nk : etc doom as expected, did we capitulate yet?
[2016-07-27 16:18:15] migz : etc went triple bottom. wait for breakout
[2016-07-27 16:26:50] jung1 : https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13645240_1208245842539229_2079617757674203588_n.jpg?oh=3cc21844231566ba37bd8d7d4d6e5f64&oe=582014FA
[2016-07-27 16:28:12] mrp1nk : where do we think we are in this chart?
[2016-07-27 16:30:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 3716 @ 0.002344
[2016-07-27 16:37:54] mrp1nk : ... do you think...
[2016-07-27 16:44:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 229 @ 0.01966
[2016-07-27 16:55:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 3630 @ 0.002259
[2016-07-27 17:06:21] mrp1nk : what if etc fully retraces
[2016-07-27 17:14:04] muirtastic : I'm still short on ETC, but not much.
[2016-07-27 17:14:17] muirtastic : My liquidated short yesterday made me gunshy even though I was right on that one and just didn't manage the trade well.
[2016-07-27 17:46:25] jung1 : yeah
[2016-07-27 17:46:50] jung1 : dont forget that there are tons of unclamed etc on craptsy also
[2016-07-27 17:47:26] jesperf : my bet is craptsy won't come alive this decade..
[2016-07-27 17:48:07] jesperf : or at all
[2016-07-27 17:49:02] fineregex : i think craptsy eth withdrawal worked because it was not alot or no idea why
[2016-07-27 17:49:59] fineregex : i had some eth there when closure was announced already
[2016-07-27 17:51:07] fineregex : and sold it for 120% or so in bitcoin and requested bitcoin withdrawal >.<
[2016-07-27 17:51:41] fineregex : when everyone else was trying to escape through eth and other currencies
[2016-07-27 17:53:02] fineregex : few days later, when all trading had closed, cryptsy even posted a list of coins withdrawable, whyever:D
[2016-07-27 17:55:10] fineregex : i also had a worthless coin with almost zero trading volume anywhere, and didnt get it
[2016-07-27 17:55:37] zanza : http://bitcoinx.io/news/reports/bitcoin-user-demographics-european-males-age-25-34/
[2016-07-27 18:00:14] jung1 : ' @fineregex yeah I withrawal most of my coins in ltc
[2016-07-27 18:00:18] jung1 : but lost some as well
[2016-07-27 18:13:30] mrp1nk : where do we think we are in this chart? @jung1
[2016-07-27 18:13:51] jung1 : which coin? ; )
[2016-07-27 18:14:07] mrp1nk : also which coin, hehe
[2016-07-27 18:14:14] mrp1nk : the one you posted earlier
[2016-07-27 18:14:17] jung1 : basicly you should print it and put it on wall
[2016-07-27 18:15:22] jung1 : it works for most of rallies
[2016-07-27 18:17:01] mrp1nk : ok, but then again, where do you think we are w.r.t. etc?
[2016-07-27 18:20:50] jung1 : clueless hoping
[2016-07-27 18:25:26] mrp1nk : my first buys on spot are right here but i have bids all the way down to 0.01
[2016-07-27 18:26:18] mrp1nk : 0.001
[2016-07-27 18:26:19] mrp1nk : lol
[2016-07-27 18:28:19] mrp1nk : https://youtu.be/UIEvaqJ6DWs - Bruce Wanker on the Ethereum Hard Fork
[2016-07-27 18:32:17] jung1 : I move some of my coins from ect to expanse
[2016-07-27 18:32:28] jung1 : could be fun
[2016-07-27 18:34:27] mrp1nk : trading started at finex
[2016-07-27 18:35:58] mrp1nk : no margin trading yet
[2016-07-27 18:36:27] jung1 : ETH hashrate 505.5 GH/s, -25% from yesterday
[2016-07-27 18:39:07] laisee : jung1: ETC is dead already?
[2016-07-27 18:40:10] jung1 : hard to say
[2016-07-27 18:40:24] jung1 : today was 150k volume on polo
[2016-07-27 18:43:02] laisee : mad trading, but no developers or plans?
[2016-07-27 18:43:45] wurstgelee : nope
[2016-07-27 18:43:48] wurstgelee : its not dead
[2016-07-27 18:43:58] wurstgelee : kraken etc got released, dumping ofc
[2016-07-27 18:44:09] wurstgelee : enough ppl who want instant free money
[2016-07-27 18:44:20] wurstgelee : those are done for now it seems
[2016-07-27 18:44:21] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-07-27 18:44:50] wurstgelee : laisee: developers already signing up
[2016-07-27 18:44:56] wurstgelee : there is progress
[2016-07-27 18:45:47] laisee : hmmm. wonder if the same thing could happen for BTC?
[2016-07-27 18:46:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 24 @ 0.01966
[2016-07-27 18:46:59] wurstgelee : and others...
[2016-07-27 18:47:00] wurstgelee : https://twitter.com/IOHK_Charles/status/758277705766989830
[2016-07-27 18:47:37] wurstgelee : also ETH will have to HF again because the didnt properly fork....
[2016-07-27 18:47:44] wurstgelee : *y
[2016-07-27 18:48:20] jung1 : some moves
[2016-07-27 18:49:05] coco : more ETH forks were already planned years ago
[2016-07-27 18:53:40] laisee : ETD, ETE, ETF, ....
[2016-07-27 18:54:04] jung1 : will be superfunny there will be new coin every time when eth will have fork
[2016-07-27 18:54:22] laisee : and ETC will fork too ...
[2016-07-27 18:54:33] jung1 : forkception
[2016-07-27 18:54:55] laisee : everyone gets their own currency eventually
[2016-07-27 19:20:30] jung1 : I will wait for anothet bottom for ect
[2016-07-27 19:20:44] jung1 : let finex, kraken and coinbas dump their coins
[2016-07-27 19:34:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 25 @ 0.002025
[2016-07-27 19:34:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 100 @ 0.002052
[2016-07-27 19:34:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 150 @ 0.002070
[2016-07-27 19:34:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 400 @ 0.002265
[2016-07-27 19:35:12] Teddy76 : nice call @jung1
[2016-07-27 19:36:05] mrp1nk : wow, anyone noticed´that big market sell on polo?
[2016-07-27 19:36:33] jung1 : yeah
[2016-07-27 19:36:40] mrp1nk : damn
[2016-07-27 19:37:55] jung1 : there will be more
[2016-07-27 19:39:53] mrp1nk : yeah, this could create some serious fud
[2016-07-27 19:40:49] mrp1nk : better lower the buy order a bit
[2016-07-27 19:44:33] jung1 : exp could be fun
[2016-07-27 19:47:56] mrp1nk : any chart for exp?
[2016-07-27 19:51:20] OVS : mrp1nk: yep was short for that drop.
[2016-07-27 19:52:13] mrp1nk : okay... sounds like you knew that it will come xD
[2016-07-27 19:54:13] OVS : mrp1nk: Just lucky xD
[2016-07-27 19:56:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 10 @ 0.001984
[2016-07-27 19:57:12] mrp1nk : some support right here
[2016-07-27 19:57:26] mrp1nk : if it breaks cya at 165k
[2016-07-27 19:58:17] mrp1nk : sorry 156k
[2016-07-27 19:58:27] justinlooking : yeh i got 0.00157 marked
[2016-07-27 19:58:47] jesperf : it's confusing when eth is 0.019 and etc is 0.0019 :P
[2016-07-27 19:59:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 100 @ 0.001923
[2016-07-27 19:59:09] OVS : lol jesperf
[2016-07-27 19:59:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 100 @ 0.001916
[2016-07-27 20:00:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 50 @ 0.001910
[2016-07-27 20:00:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 210 @ 0.001892
[2016-07-27 20:00:33] justinlooking : jesperf: agree, would find usd base rather than btc much more useful
[2016-07-27 20:00:45] jesperf : this is very nice. i might buy back in for a quick buck if it drops below 0.001 again
[2016-07-27 20:00:59] mrp1nk : jesperf: me too
[2016-07-27 20:01:32] OVS : yep i agree
[2016-07-27 20:01:37] jesperf : the last fool ain't bought yet, and i hope it's not me :D
[2016-07-27 20:01:58] OVS : Theres always a greater fool
[2016-07-27 20:21:31] fineregex : should i buy back etc at 0.0025?
[2016-07-27 20:22:33] fineregex : typo 0.00025
[2016-07-27 20:24:55] jonny : i sold my last etc at 0.05 eth
[2016-07-27 22:03:54] ixess : any idea why some trades are black and have no arrow up or down?
[2016-07-27 22:05:28] BitMEX_Sam : ixess: Just means that the price didn't change on those trades.
[2016-07-27 22:07:09] ixess : BitMEX_Sam: thx
[2016-07-27 23:04:56] ixess : im curious if some of the bot orders in the orderbook are from bitmex
[2016-07-28 00:19:07] migz : wtf happened to my trade.
[2016-07-28 00:23:39] BitMEX_Greg : migz: Can you please elaborate or create a support ticket?
[2016-07-28 00:24:12] migz : BitMEX_Greg: i got liquidated again with price not reaching liquidation price @_@
[2016-07-28 00:24:40] BitMEX_Greg : ixess: BitMEX does not trade on the exchange. We have relationships with 3rd party liquidity providers however who have bots 24/7 running on the exchange
[2016-07-28 00:24:52] BitMEX_Greg : On what contract?
[2016-07-28 00:26:12] BitMEX_Greg : migz: Will reply via support ticket
[2016-07-28 00:26:14] migz : etc24h
[2016-07-28 00:26:14] migz : created support tix again.
[2016-07-28 00:29:03] migz : thnx.
[2016-07-28 00:50:51] zanza : ETC is on sale guys
[2016-07-28 00:51:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 526 @ 0.002252
[2016-07-28 01:04:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 21 @ 0.002178
[2016-07-28 03:08:06] elmorte : Damnit, where to find the ETC hashrate now?
[2016-07-28 03:34:20] coco : http://slacknation.github.io/medium/13/13.html
[2016-07-28 03:45:48] elmorte : That uses fork.ethstats.net as a source, which in turn uses a source that has been deprecated....so non-fork chain fork.ethstats.net looks like it stopped at block 1961342. While it's pretty much alive and kicking...
[2016-07-28 03:46:18] elmorte : http://www.etc-eth.com/ looks like it's updating for now...
[2016-07-28 03:54:28] migz : The fuck is that reply. i got liquidated and it didn;t even reach my liquidation price.
[2016-07-28 03:55:05] migz : i got liquidated on my orders that didnt even reach my liquidation price. What the fuck.
[2016-07-28 03:55:45] elmorte : migz: A bunch of ppl complained about it in the last few days and were all proven wrong...just saying, did you consider all the prices involved?
[2016-07-28 03:56:06] migz : it happened to me twice now.
[2016-07-28 03:56:22] migz : My liquidation price was 1800, the price didn't even went below 1800!
[2016-07-28 03:57:14] migz : This site is getting fishier and fisher.
[2016-07-28 03:57:17] elmorte : yeah, I see that...
[2016-07-28 03:57:43] elmorte : Nah, but you have a right to be pissed off till it's sorted out
[2016-07-28 03:58:08] elmorte : What price were you liquidated at?
[2016-07-28 03:58:25] elmorte : Might show in the Fills
[2016-07-28 04:00:06] migz : ETC24H. liquidation price 1800. My fills went 1669. Price never went 1850 here nor poloniex. at 8 hours ago.
[2016-07-28 04:01:32] elmorte : you were long, right?
[2016-07-28 04:02:08] elmorte : seems like 1880 was the lowest index point, exactly 6hrs ago
[2016-07-28 04:02:30] elmorte : but that's a 1m average...not sure how far it swung within thos 60s
[2016-07-28 04:03:13] migz : Yeah
[2016-07-28 04:03:35] elmorte : did the support reply by email?
[2016-07-28 04:06:23] BitMEX_Jinming : migz: Hi the price you see in the trade history is your bankrupt price that was used to close your position.
[2016-07-28 04:06:38] BitMEX_Jinming : migz: We will reply your ticket with details soon.
[2016-07-28 04:07:12] migz : My fills was 1669. The price never went below 1850. What the hell
[2016-07-28 04:08:38] BitMEX_Jinming : migz: The price did reach your liquidation price, then your position was closed at your bankrupt price.
[2016-07-28 04:08:44] miramm1115 : you lose maintenance margin when position is liquidated and it's 10% on ETC24H
[2016-07-28 04:09:29] miramm1115 : use stops, will save you a lot of money
[2016-07-28 04:09:41] migz : i loose it even when my liquidation price is still not reached? lol
[2016-07-28 04:10:13] miramm1115 : you are not liquidated until your liq price is reached but if it's reached you lose the maint. margin
[2016-07-28 04:11:28] BitMEX_Jinming : migz: the documentation of liquidation: https://www.bitmex.com/app/liquidation so you can see the difference between liquidation price and bankrupt price.
[2016-07-28 04:11:38] migz : My liquidation is 1800. Price never went that price here nor polo. And my fills shows 1669.
[2016-07-28 04:12:19] BitMEX_Jinming : migz: We will check it soon.
[2016-07-28 04:13:19] migz : Which exchange do you follow on etc. still kaiko?
[2016-07-28 04:13:34] migz : or etc on polo?
[2016-07-28 04:14:00] BitMEX_Jinming : migz: It is Poloniex for ETC24H
[2016-07-28 04:18:52] migz : if polo, lowest was 186. Fill shows 1669 T_T wtf
[2016-07-28 04:20:11] elmorte : REKT doesn't show any liqs at 1669...
[2016-07-28 04:20:26] elmorte : 03:59 - REKT: Liquidated long on ETC24H: Sell 100 @ 0.001923 03:59 - REKT: Liquidated long on ETC24H: Sell 100 @ 0.001916 04:00 - REKT: Liquidated long on ETC24H: Sell 50 @ 0.001910 04:00 - REKT: Liquidated long on ETC24H: Sell 210 @ 0.001892
[2016-07-28 04:21:00] elmorte : 1892 is the lowest
[2016-07-28 04:21:59] elmorte : UTC+8 btw
[2016-07-28 04:22:44] micmix : elmorte: 1669 was his bankrupt price, it's liquidation price minus maint. margin, so his liq price was aprox. 1669*1.1
[2016-07-28 04:23:06] migz : ETC24H -210 -210 Filled 0.001669 0.001669 -0.3505 XBT 0.000263 XBT Limit 000000 2016-07-28 04:00:21
[2016-07-28 04:23:30] elmorte : Nice one @micmix . They don't show the liqd fills in the orderbook?
[2016-07-28 04:24:40] BitMEX_Wally : Liquidations are triggered at the liquidation price, and positions are taken over at the bankrupty price. These are published on the liquidation websocket but the are not trades
[2016-07-28 04:24:48] micmix : nope, the liquidated position is taken over by BitMEX bot at bankrupt price. that's the price shown in his fills
[2016-07-28 04:24:49] BitMEX_Wally : When the position is then closed out in the market these are reported as normal fills
[2016-07-28 04:25:00] BitMEX_Wally : (i.e trades)
[2016-07-28 04:25:24] BitMEX_Wally : migz: I just replied to one of the 3 support tickets you raised
[2016-07-28 04:26:21] migz : BitMEX_Wally: reading. the ticket was closed so i made another.
[2016-07-28 04:26:35] BitMEX_Wally : By replying to the closed ticket you re-opened it...
[2016-07-28 04:27:00] BitMEX_Wally : And then created new tickets
[2016-07-28 04:27:31] elmorte : Got it. So the bot took over his position, ended up with entry price of 1669. Then migz was probably wrong about his liqd price?
[2016-07-28 04:28:51] BitMEX_Wally : His liquidation trigger price was 0.001892 then .ETCXBT went to 0.001880 and his position was taken over at his bankruptcy price of 0.001669
[2016-07-28 04:29:09] elmorte : That clears it up then
[2016-07-28 04:29:17] elmorte : Cheer up @BitMEX_Wally :)
[2016-07-28 04:29:23] BitMEX_Wally : :)
[2016-07-28 04:29:42] BitMEX_Wally : We're going to improve the history around this
[2016-07-28 04:29:50] BitMEX_Wally : Because at the moment you get an email with this information, but no-one reads it
[2016-07-28 04:30:12] BitMEX_Wally : Then they look in their trade history and only see the execution at the bankruptcy price, and go WTF
[2016-07-28 04:30:31] elmorte : Took me 4 days to decipher what happened to me...but I had it complicated with a bunch of other open orders.
[2016-07-28 04:30:39] elmorte : That was in Feb though
[2016-07-28 04:31:11] migz : IT filled at 1669, then you take all the profit in it selling at a higher price? well done.
[2016-07-28 04:31:25] elmorte : it's your maintenance margin that pays for the difference
[2016-07-28 04:31:41] migz : half was never even treturned to me. pff
[2016-07-28 04:31:58] BitMEX_Wally : It goes into the insurance fund to prevent DPE
[2016-07-28 04:31:58] micmix : with 10% maint. margin you really should use stops
[2016-07-28 04:32:06] elmorte : hehe...
[2016-07-28 04:32:19] BitMEX_Wally : ETC moves 400% in one day, so 10% is not really enough to cover the risk of unfilled liquidations
[2016-07-28 04:32:55] migz : Hocus focus. lels
[2016-07-28 04:33:46] migz : It happened to me last month, xbtusd. liquidation price was 610, i liquidated at 630. Got an explanation, and got my money back.
[2016-07-28 04:34:31] migz : and now the site will never cover for you if the bot fucks up your money
[2016-07-28 04:35:17] elmorte : You got your money back? What, the algo malfunctioned?
[2016-07-28 04:35:42] migz : Yeah.
[2016-07-28 04:35:44] elmorte : http://ethc.epool.io/ displays total network hashrate btw
[2016-07-28 04:35:52] BitMEX_Wally : The site didn't f*ck up, and you didn't get your money back. Your liquidation price was 634.49 and OKCoin printed a trade (in a flash crash) at 615
[2016-07-28 04:36:35] elmorte : Finex was down?
[2016-07-28 04:36:49] BitMEX_Wally : As a token of goodwill because you were new I credited 0.06 Bitcoin to your account because of the completely unexpected liquidation due to shitty data from OKC
[2016-07-28 04:38:12] migz : site d idn't fucked up, data fucked up. so if polo data fckd up, you are fckd up. lels
[2016-07-28 04:38:38] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: is de-leveraging live on testnet?
[2016-07-28 04:39:12] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: Yes, live on ETC24H for now. We've dropped the initial margin to 1% and maint to 0.50%
[2016-07-28 04:39:13] bernx : BitMEX_Wally: any news about more leverage at ETC?
[2016-07-28 04:39:57] migz : even if it just was 0.06, i am playing small amount here. Testing this site up. lost probably 7btc here due to fckd up data
[2016-07-28 04:40:02] BitMEX_Wally : bernx: Once Poloniex or Bitfinex launch margin trading then the market makers will be able to short, then we'll look at it
[2016-07-28 04:40:34] micmix : how is deleveraging reported in the API, anything new?
[2016-07-28 04:40:44] ayy_lmao : not really bitmex's fault when users don't read the documentation
[2016-07-28 04:41:00] ayy_lmao : which based on all the question in this trollbox
[2016-07-28 04:41:04] ayy_lmao : is a large percentage
[2016-07-28 04:41:21] BitMEX_Wally : If you get deleveraged it is similar to a liquidation, you get an `execution` of `execType: Trade` and `text: Deleverage`
[2016-07-28 04:41:46] elmorte : mind you, unless something changed in the last month, the documentation is pretty convoluted..
[2016-07-28 04:41:52] migz : yeah, not their fault if ythe algo fckd or refrence data fckd up.
[2016-07-28 04:42:22] elmorte : like I'm trying to find the index feed for ETC24H...going around in circles
[2016-07-28 04:42:45] BitMEX_Wally : elmorte: Look at the `instrument` table for `ETC24H`.
[2016-07-28 04:42:54] ayy_lmao : https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.ETCXBT
[2016-07-28 04:43:07] BitMEX_Wally : It has a `referenceSymbol` of `.ECTXBT30M`
[2016-07-28 04:43:33] elmorte : https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.ETCXBT30M This one? It's a flat line...
[2016-07-28 04:43:41] BitMEX_Wally : Then look at `.ETCXBT30M` in the `instrument` table, it has a `referenceSymbol` of `.ETCXBT`
[2016-07-28 04:43:50] elmorte : And the table only lists settlement values...
[2016-07-28 04:43:53] BitMEX_Wally : COrrect
[2016-07-28 04:44:02] BitMEX_Wally : ETC24H settles every 24 hours on a 30 minute TWAP
[2016-07-28 04:44:06] elmorte : ayy_lmao: that's the one cheers!
[2016-07-28 04:44:11] BitMEX_Wally : .ETCXBT30M is based on `.ETCXBT` which prints every minute
[2016-07-28 04:44:23] BitMEX_Wally : `.ETCXBT` is based on `BTC_ETC` from Poloniex
[2016-07-28 04:44:58] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.ETCXBT
[2016-07-28 04:45:04] elmorte : Ok, found it...so Contract Details -> .ETCXBT30M Index -> .ETCXBT Index
[2016-07-28 04:45:09] BitMEX_Wally : Yep
[2016-07-28 04:45:30] elmorte : Aight, I missed the last step, didn't see it, my bad
[2016-07-28 04:49:22] BitMEX_Wally : We are currently working on improving all the documentation
[2016-07-28 04:49:40] BitMEX_Wally : Because the platform has evolved so much in the last 2 years we need to re-write some of it
[2016-07-28 04:55:19] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: thanks, going to play with it on testnet when I have some time
[2016-07-28 05:02:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 150 @ 0.01935
[2016-07-28 05:54:06] 1QaZxSw2 : what exactly happens during a deleveraging
[2016-07-28 06:14:27] BitMEX_Arthur : 1QaZxSw2: Essentially we rank effective leverage and profit,
[2016-07-28 06:14:38] BitMEX_Arthur : if say a short is liquidated we rank all longs
[2016-07-28 06:15:19] BitMEX_Arthur : the traders with the highest leverage and profit are deleveraged first, if the liquidation order cannot be filled before getting to its bankruptcy price
[2016-07-28 06:15:44] BitMEX_Arthur : and we just work our way down the list of longs until the liquidation order is filled
[2016-07-28 06:16:33] BitMEX_Arthur : we are currently writing up the documentation now that will be published on testnet, once we announce any change there will be multiple weeks of advanced notice given the magnitude of the change
[2016-07-28 06:33:40] 1QaZxSw2 : BitMEX_Arthur: thanks, so there is no DPE anymore
[2016-07-28 06:35:11] 1QaZxSw2 : ?
[2016-07-28 06:40:41] BitMEX_Wally : 1QaZxSw2: Correct, deleveraging occurs when DPE would go above 0%, so there will be no more DPE once we roll this out
[2016-07-28 06:41:06] 1QaZxSw2 : so if im long in the above scenario with a high leverage and profit, what happens? how much do i lose? is my position closed?
[2016-07-28 06:42:04] 1QaZxSw2 : and does this impact the leverage you offer
[2016-07-28 06:42:06] BitMEX_Wally : If you are long and the price rises, and a short gets liquidated and cannot be closed out, then your long is deleveraged at a profit
[2016-07-28 06:42:41] BitMEX_Wally : So you don't lose anything, your position is closed at profit
[2016-07-28 07:01:47] bernx : what heppened to eth>
[2016-07-28 08:05:08] macios15 : btc dump incoming i think soon
[2016-07-28 08:27:06] macios15 : the price for rebalance is index price or mark price?
[2016-07-28 08:40:03] justinlooking : mark
[2016-07-28 08:40:45] BitMEX_Wally : It is the mark price, which for swaps at the time of rebalance is the index price
[2016-07-28 10:33:40] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC24H`: Buy 400 @ 0.002462
[2016-07-28 10:33:40] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC24H`: Buy 20 @ 0.002464
[2016-07-28 11:37:06] migz : And now, which mark price etc24h is following?
[2016-07-28 11:38:37] justinlooking : 30 min TWAP of polo
[2016-07-28 11:38:39] migz : You have to be very observant in this exchange., jeez.
[2016-07-28 11:39:24] migz : everything is changed by the day.
[2016-07-28 11:40:04] justinlooking : picnic my frind
[2016-07-28 11:40:05] justinlooking : *friend
[2016-07-28 11:40:57] migz : they say they follow polo. and mark price is not even close to polo.
[2016-07-28 11:42:07] justinlooking : we are 18 mins from expiry
[2016-07-28 11:52:42] ayy_lmao : index follows polo
[2016-07-28 11:52:54] ayy_lmao : not the trades or orders
[2016-07-28 11:53:15] ayy_lmao : during the last 30 minutes
[2016-07-28 11:53:20] ayy_lmao : the price becomes an average
[2016-07-28 11:53:40] ayy_lmao : so you won't get an exact 1 to 1 with polo
[2016-07-28 11:56:15] ayy_lmao : this is to prevent abnormal polo spikes from causing a false settlement prices
[2016-07-28 12:02:03] gedza : what hapend all my etc positions are gone?
[2016-07-28 12:02:58] gedza : why did my etc positions closed?
[2016-07-28 12:03:16] migz : the fcuk? If they just follow polo price, it will be better, not average sh!t
[2016-07-28 12:03:29] migz : Real tme data is much better.
[2016-07-28 12:03:48] gedza : is anyone here from support?
[2016-07-28 12:04:12] gedza : my etc positions closed by themselves, why?
[2016-07-28 12:04:17] ayy_lmao : settlement
[2016-07-28 12:04:19] ayy_lmao : lmao
[2016-07-28 12:04:29] ayy_lmao : nobody reads the documentationn
[2016-07-28 12:04:39] migz : who cares about paperworks.
[2016-07-28 12:04:42] migz : hahaha
[2016-07-28 12:04:58] ayy_lmao : people who don't get rekt
[2016-07-28 12:05:06] gedza : i have profit
[2016-07-28 12:05:13] gedza : but i had good positions
[2016-07-28 12:05:17] gedza : and it keeps rising
[2016-07-28 12:05:18] ayy_lmao : nice
[2016-07-28 12:05:51] ayy_lmao : migz, its to prevent polo price manipulation from affecting bitmex settlement price
[2016-07-28 12:05:57] ayy_lmao : its much harder with an average
[2016-07-28 12:07:58] migz : almost 10k traders at polo, how can it be manipulated. lel
[2016-07-28 12:08:43] migz : site is getting shitier an d shitier, too much documentation and such to prevent the site to loose profits.
[2016-07-28 12:09:35] ayy_lmao : migz, okcoin settlements say otherwise
[2016-07-28 12:11:06] gedza : i understand the reasons behind the move, but thats also some fucked up shit from trading perspective. now you got to think about settlement closing your whole position
[2016-07-28 12:11:12] migz : nah, the site can manipulate it as well.
[2016-07-28 12:12:32] migz : good thing i am trading here part time as i am just observing it and doing test. time to get back to polo
[2016-07-28 12:12:38] ayy_lmao : 2 much troll for me
[2016-07-28 12:16:11] Mangalica : but that's just how futures work, ETC has settlement every day at a given time
[2016-07-28 12:19:28] Mangalica : it's not a "move" it happens every day. And we only had like a 100-200 or something BTC worth of open interest so if you think the ETC move is somehow related to BMex settlement time you are mistaken imo.
[2016-07-28 12:22:08] ayy_lmao : nobody said that
[2016-07-28 12:22:30] Mangalica : ok then
[2016-07-28 12:22:34] ayy_lmao : Just explaining why the settlement price is done the way it is
[2016-07-28 12:23:15] Mangalica : got it, i didn't read back far enough
[2016-07-28 12:29:58] ggwp : BitMEX_Wally: any way to show all 8 digits behind the decimal
[2016-07-28 12:29:58] ggwp : ?
[2016-07-28 12:33:01] rapidtrades : what 8 digits...whyyyyy
[2016-07-28 12:34:19] ggwp : why not?
[2016-07-28 12:37:28] ayy_lmao : for price i think
[2016-07-28 13:27:07] aethlios : finex margin live for etc
[2016-07-28 13:31:54] Mangalica : oh wow that was fast
[2016-07-28 13:36:05] rapidtrades : did sleger show up last nite again?
[2016-07-28 14:05:34] bernx : bitmex here?
[2016-07-28 14:05:51] bernx : bitfinex or bittrex added margin on etc
[2016-07-28 14:12:31] BitMEX_Sam : ggwp: Re: all digits, you can set all Bitcoin quantities to Satoshis via the top-right menu
[2016-07-28 14:41:29] rapidtrades : sleger: sup feg
[2016-07-28 15:28:58] scrawl : where can I see the last settlement price of ETC24h ? want to know what price my position was closed at
[2016-07-28 15:30:30] BitMEX_Arthur : https://www.bitmex.com/app/settlementHistory
[2016-07-28 15:30:45] scrawl : thanks!
[2016-07-28 15:38:59] palgba : Hello
[2016-07-28 15:39:10] palgba : is there a ETC perpetual coming in the near future ?
[2016-07-28 15:39:30] palgba : 24h futures is too bad
[2016-07-28 15:39:59] BitMEX_Arthur : palgba: Most likely we will turn 24H into 7D a weekly, and then evaluate after another week of trading if ETC is ready for a swap
[2016-07-28 15:40:29] palgba : that would be good
[2016-07-28 15:40:41] palgba : when can we see that 7d ?
[2016-07-28 15:41:07] BitMEX_Arthur : palgba: Potentially tomorrow after 24H expires
[2016-07-28 15:41:08] BitMEX_Arthur : at 12 UTC
[2016-07-28 15:51:28] aethlios : BitMEX_Arthur: Hi Arthur, why to turn it ti 7D?? vlume will go down with liquidity. keep the 24H. the longer the duration the higher the risk. what is the meaning of this change??
[2016-07-28 15:52:22] BitMEX_Arthur : What do you mean the longer the duration the higher the risk? You can exit your trades at any time
[2016-07-28 15:53:07] BitMEX_Arthur : Liquidity is up multiples in the past 2 days, look at the screen
[2016-07-28 15:53:16] BitMEX_Arthur : 2,000 ETC per side, spread has halved
[2016-07-28 15:54:54] aethlios : BitMEX_Arthur: because it is 24H and expires in a few hours and you don't have to exit. if I accumulate a large 20.000 position 6 hours before expiration I can bet expiration price will be higher than my entry and just wait to expire.
[2016-07-28 15:56:29] aethlios : the higher the duration of a contract the higher tje risk. MMs reduce sizes and widen spread. that's why 6month has a lower bid ask sizes and wider spreads
[2016-07-28 15:57:22] aethlios : BitMEX_Arthur: ask the MM with the 2000 sizehow he will act if this becomes a 7D.
[2016-07-28 15:59:00] aethlios : BitMEX_Arthur: so you see the MM increases size, which means the contracts attracts interest and you go and delist the contract?? crazy.... let it grow,
[2016-07-28 16:00:38] BitMEX_Arthur : We are slowly moving towards a swap, with no expiry date
[2016-07-28 16:00:45] BitMEX_Arthur : Expiry dates confuse too many people
[2016-07-28 16:01:26] aethlios : BitMEX_Arthur: keep 24H for ETC and swap for ETH and compare how they grow as time goes by. which type traders prefer?? it is an interesting expirement.
[2016-07-28 16:02:08] aethlios : BitMEX_Arthur: people will learn and become better, let they mind to sharpen
[2016-07-28 16:02:39] aethlios : talk with MMs before any changes, ask their opinion.
[2016-07-28 16:03:26] BitMEX_Sam : aethlios: You assume we haven't talked with them - we have
[2016-07-28 16:11:26] macios15 : chinese bots are stupid lol
[2016-07-28 17:04:16] nip : more factum nonsense
[2016-07-28 17:04:38] nip : who is this "mm" anyway
[2016-07-28 17:07:20] nip : caught in the act trying to manipulate the funding rate
[2016-07-28 17:11:11] nip : also, it has been about 2 weeks of the XBTU fair basis being way off
[2016-07-28 17:11:27] macios15 : dump dump incoming
[2016-07-28 17:33:18] nip : please fix the xbtu16 fair basis rate before it leads to dpe
[2016-07-28 17:35:14] nip : i have been asking for weeks
[2016-07-28 20:14:14] haxmb : BitMEX_Arthur: hey guys
[2016-07-28 20:14:22] haxmb : do you have rate limits per trading pair?
[2016-07-28 20:14:33] haxmb : or is it global?
[2016-07-28 20:15:45] justinlooking : global
[2016-07-28 20:16:16] justinlooking : even across api keys i think