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[2016-07-28 20:18:02] justinlooking : but u can email support and will increase
[2016-07-28 20:31:49] zanza : Amazon AWS killing it http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-28/amazon-smashes-expectations-cloud-profits-soar-stock-dips-then-jumps
[2016-07-28 20:50:06] muirtastic : Why do the fees on the Perpetual Swap XBT bounce around so much? It makes huge swings, even in 8 or 16 hr periods
[2016-07-28 20:58:43] nip : muirtastic: look at FCT fees
[2016-07-28 21:07:47] BitMEX_Greg : muirtastic: The fees are always the same. The funding rate is what can change according to whether or not the contract is trading at a premium or discount: https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide#premium
[2016-07-28 21:14:56] muirtastic : The Funding rate is on the "Fees" page though. Oh well I just don't have enough knowledge to understand how it all works. I suppose the fees are what they are and they seem to have averaged out good for me over the past two weeks, at least
[2016-07-28 21:23:59] BitMEX_Greg : Yeah recently with the slow market they have been moving between + and -
[2016-07-28 21:39:56] QuantFocus : is there a place to view the historical mark price of XBU16 vs. underlying spot?
[2016-07-28 21:40:04] QuantFocus : it seems like there was a big adjustment downward recently...
[2016-07-28 21:44:12] zanza : rapidtrades: u here?
[2016-07-28 21:44:23] zanza : im looking to grab a falling knife with WTI Crude
[2016-07-28 21:44:33] zanza : any comments by anyone?
[2016-07-28 21:47:14] justinlooking : crack's bad mkay
[2016-07-28 21:51:39] BitMEX_Greg : QuantFocus: I am not sure if you are able to see the historical mark via API, I'll find out for you
[2016-07-28 21:53:10] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Greg: ok thanks. obviously the price has declined moderately and shorter term utnil maturity, but it seems like you're calculating mark differently
[2016-07-28 21:53:42] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Greg: my unrealized changed significantly over the last 2 days, and price has been mostly stable during that period
[2016-07-28 21:54:38] BitMEX_Greg : Mark price may have come more inline with where the market is trading at
[2016-07-28 21:55:21] miramm1115 : QuantFocus: fair basis was changed from 75% to 65% recently, it's adjusted manually on XBTU16
[2016-07-28 21:55:59] QuantFocus : miramm1115: ty. that's kind of a bullshit move without some notification prior to making the adjustment
[2016-07-28 21:56:21] QuantFocus : completely f*cked my position
[2016-07-28 21:56:34] miramm1115 : it's adjusted frequently to be inline with current orderbook
[2016-07-28 21:56:37] nip : yeah the manual adjustment process really messes with your margin
[2016-07-28 21:56:58] nip : miramm1115: infrequently :)
[2016-07-28 21:57:04] miramm1115 : it used to be adjusted manually but liquidity is too low for that
[2016-07-28 21:57:13] miramm1115 : sorry, automatically
[2016-07-28 21:57:38] nip : i believe this is the first manually adjusted quarterly?
[2016-07-28 21:58:16] miramm1115 : nope, they switch to manual when liquidity is low then back to auto when it imrpoves
[2016-07-28 21:59:53] QuantFocus : cool, so daily funding rate is ridiculously high on xbt most days, and now i'm getting worked over on the xbu adjustments too
[2016-07-28 21:59:55] QuantFocus : sweet deal
[2016-07-28 22:00:57] BitMEX_Sam : The expectation should clearly be that the mark price follows trading within reason
[2016-07-28 22:01:21] BitMEX_Sam : Mark price adjustments don't affect your actual PNL
[2016-07-28 22:01:40] QuantFocus : seems to me that longs have been severely disadvantaged on funding rate on most days, despite a relatively bearish market over the past few weeks
[2016-07-28 22:02:04] BitMEX_Greg : Moreover, we can't have a situation where the market is trading at 65% and the mark is at 75% as it will affect users into a new position.
[2016-07-28 22:02:21] BitMEX_Sam : XBTUSD funding rate has been effectively flat the last few days
[2016-07-28 22:02:33] BitMEX_Sam : It oscillates between positive and negative and is generally a wash
[2016-07-28 22:02:58] QuantFocus : i haven't done any in-depth analysis of it, but i would tend to disagree based on tertiary observation
[2016-07-28 22:02:59] BitMEX_Greg : QuantFocus: It really depends where the market is trading at, the rate is calculated purely from the orderbook
[2016-07-28 22:03:11] QuantFocus : also, regarding "new positions"
[2016-07-28 22:03:37] QuantFocus : i opened a new position on xbu about a week ago if i recall, and now the mark price was arbitrarily reduced to 65% from 75%
[2016-07-28 22:03:46] QuantFocus : i would say that effects me pretty greatly
[2016-07-28 22:04:27] BitMEX_Greg : The mark gets reduced to where the market is trading at. It doesn't affect your buying or selling price
[2016-07-28 22:04:32] QuantFocus : it was nearly a 1btc swing in market value of my position
[2016-07-28 22:05:05] QuantFocus : it certainly impacted my unrealized pnl, which will settle tomorrow
[2016-07-28 22:05:42] BitMEX_Greg : If the market pushes the basis back up to 75%, the mark price will go back up to 75%
[2016-07-28 22:05:44] QuantFocus : effectively increasing my margin utilization
[2016-07-28 22:06:10] QuantFocus : well it's kind of shitty that someone can take a position that gets manually adjusted 10% within a couple of days
[2016-07-28 22:06:28] muirtastic : Yes I have had a short position for the last two weeks and the funding has come out to about zero . But some big swings in there with .1% and -.1%, etc
[2016-07-28 22:06:49] QuantFocus : the market is understandably thin, but automatic adjustment would at least mean that when i open a position it's not going to dramatically change assuming the price doesn't...which it hasn't over this week
[2016-07-28 22:06:57] muirtastic : XBT perpetual short, I mean
[2016-07-28 22:08:01] muirtastic : US customers not being allowed on BitMEX has really hurt its growth and increased liquidity. I realize though that you guys probably don't have a choice or the US gov't will launch a drone strike against you or something similar
[2016-07-28 22:10:10] miramm1115 : QuantFocus: you can't really expect the mark price staying out of touch with the orderbook. with auto adjustment it would have dropped yesterday instead of today
[2016-07-28 22:10:41] BitMEX_Greg : If spot is not moving, or even bearish as you stated with XBTUSD, then I imagine any long-dated futures trading at a high premium to drop more aggressively
[2016-07-28 22:11:26] QuantFocus : miramm1115: and i don't
[2016-07-28 22:11:59] BitMEX_Greg : muirtastic: We are still growing exponentially without US customers. Given the regulation, it is not our choice
[2016-07-28 22:12:23] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Greg: i opened my position largely favorably on 7/22. the xbt price now is actually higher than when i opened my position, yet the negative mark adjustment puts my position in the red
[2016-07-28 22:12:58] QuantFocus : that just isn't logical imo
[2016-07-28 22:13:05] muirtastic : Ok good to hear that BitMEX is still growing. It's certainly good for your customers, because means more liquidity and just a stronger company, I would assume.
[2016-07-28 22:13:11] BitMEX_Greg : I can't account for market movements. The market determines where the market is
[2016-07-28 22:13:32] QuantFocus : umm..okay? that's obvious
[2016-07-28 22:14:22] QuantFocus : can you account for a negative return on a long future when the underlying instrument has increased in price?
[2016-07-28 22:15:04] BitMEX_Sam : QuantFocus: Your PNL is a function of your entry price and exit price, full stop
[2016-07-28 22:15:23] BitMEX_Sam : How that position is valued in the meantime is not particularly pertinent
[2016-07-28 22:15:24] BitMEX_Greg : Happens all the time in my experience in Commodity markets. It's called curve flattening
[2016-07-28 22:17:23] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Sam: that's essentially an arbitrage for anyone with knowledge of the change in mark price
[2016-07-28 22:17:36] BitMEX_Sam : No, it's not. The bids and asks in the market did not change
[2016-07-28 22:17:50] QuantFocus : at a minimum, there should be some disclosure as to when you intend to adjust the mark
[2016-07-28 22:18:18] QuantFocus : the bids and asks have certainly adjusted around the new mark...
[2016-07-28 22:19:04] QuantFocus : when mark was at 75%, instrument mark price was closer to 750. now it's at 729. the market is now trading at 714 instead of 740's
[2016-07-28 22:19:04] BitMEX_Sam : They have not, we have been watching that market. There has not been a change
[2016-07-28 22:19:48] BitMEX_Sam : Regardless, the market determines the price, not the mark price. Any movement in the bid/ask after a mark price adjustment is coincidental
[2016-07-28 22:20:15] QuantFocus : but of course the market adjusts around the mark price, which determines purchasing at a discount or premium
[2016-07-28 22:20:20] QuantFocus : how is that coincidental?
[2016-07-28 22:20:33] QuantFocus : it's a direct result of a change in mark
[2016-07-28 22:21:02] QuantFocus : particularly when you have market makers whose purpose is to reduce the spread and trade around mark
[2016-07-28 22:21:10] BitMEX_Sam : I can tell you that with confidence because that is the very reason the mark was adjusted, because it was well outside the spread
[2016-07-28 22:21:48] BitMEX_Sam : The tail does not wag the dog.
[2016-07-28 22:21:51] QuantFocus : okay, but my point is that without automatic, or regular manual adjustment, it's a disservice to your customers
[2016-07-28 22:22:04] BitMEX_Sam : It's automatic on every other contract. It will be automatic again on XBTU if there is liquidity to support it
[2016-07-28 22:22:13] BitMEX_Sam : Right now there is not. When there is, we will switch it back to being automatic
[2016-07-28 22:22:31] QuantFocus : if i had indication that you were adjusting the mark downward within 5 days, i would have waited to open my position
[2016-07-28 22:22:45] BitMEX_Sam : I'm not sure I'm understanding your issue
[2016-07-28 22:22:50] BitMEX_Sam : The mark price does not affect your actual PNL
[2016-07-28 22:23:11] BitMEX_Sam : Nor does it affect the bids and asks users place - they determine the price themselves
[2016-07-28 22:23:31] QuantFocus : i entered a position based on where the market was trading, which was based largely on the current mark price. that price was subsequently reduced shortly after opening my position
[2016-07-28 22:23:44] QuantFocus : the market subsequently adjusted bid/ask around the new mark, which caused a loss for me
[2016-07-28 22:24:20] BitMEX_Greg : Your loss is a paper loss.. how are you going to realise it when the market is not trading at mark?
[2016-07-28 22:24:23] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Sam: the mark absolutely has a direct impact on bid/asks
[2016-07-28 22:25:03] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Greg: again, if I had known that there was going to be a downward adjustment in mark, i would simply have waited to open a position. that's clear logic
[2016-07-28 22:25:14] QuantFocus : that's information i didn't have.
[2016-07-28 22:25:55] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Greg: also, i'll most likely be waiting for final settlement in september, but in either case, if i had known about the downward adjustment, my profit could be that much higher
[2016-07-28 22:26:04] BitMEX_Greg : The mark price moves, its not static. It has to move where market is moving. Unfortunately the contract right now is illiquid which requires manual smoothing
[2016-07-28 22:26:36] QuantFocus : but how do you inform customers of your intended movement, in both amount and timing?
[2016-07-28 22:26:36] BitMEX_Greg : Your profit has nothing to do with the mark price
[2016-07-28 22:26:46] BitMEX_Greg : It has to do with where you entered and exited
[2016-07-28 22:26:49] QuantFocus : you guys keep saying that, and it's dead wrong
[2016-07-28 22:27:14] QuantFocus : right, so when mark gets adjusted downward and i want to exit a position, where do you think it will be trading?
[2016-07-28 22:27:19] QuantFocus : lower
[2016-07-28 22:27:27] QuantFocus : which means it does effect my pnl
[2016-07-28 22:28:10] BitMEX_Greg : Well it market moves up and you want to exit then you can exit at a higher price..
[2016-07-28 22:28:23] BitMEX_Greg : We can't predict the future, we are not adjusting mark to where we think the market will go
[2016-07-28 22:28:33] BitMEX_Greg : the mark is adjusted according to where the market trades at
[2016-07-28 22:28:46] QuantFocus : ...again
[2016-07-28 22:28:50] BitMEX_Greg : It's done ex-post
[2016-07-28 22:29:01] QuantFocus : the position i opened was on 7/22. the market has been flat or up from there
[2016-07-28 22:29:11] BitMEX_Greg : Yes, the curve has flattened
[2016-07-28 22:29:18] QuantFocus : so please explain how during that week the mark got adjusted so significantly downward
[2016-07-28 22:29:39] BitMEX_Greg : Happens because the market thinks that steam is running out
[2016-07-28 22:29:40] QuantFocus : by 10%? that much flattening eh?
[2016-07-28 22:29:59] QuantFocus : and how do you all make that determination?
[2016-07-28 22:30:01] BitMEX_Greg : This is bitcoin, bigger moves have occurred in 1/1000th of that time
[2016-07-28 22:30:21] BitMEX_Greg : I'm making a logical assumption based on what is happening with Bitcoin right now
[2016-07-28 22:30:31] BitMEX_Greg : it may be correct, but thats the way I see it
[2016-07-28 22:30:50] BitMEX_Greg : But the mark was not adjusted according to my assumption. It was adjusted to where the market was trading
[2016-07-28 22:31:06] QuantFocus : i'm not really interested in opinion here. i need to know how your system works so i don't lose money on a position that technically should have gained
[2016-07-28 22:31:27] lockhedge : QuantFocus: i agree that manual adjustment is the worst marking method, but i doubt that adjustments influence the market. it would not make sense for market makers to adjust the price based on this manually adjusted mark price.
[2016-07-28 22:31:28] QuantFocus : but the lag in your adjustment time f*cked me
[2016-07-28 22:31:54] BitMEX_Greg : We probably have the most thorough walkthroughs and FAQs of all Bitcoin exchanges
[2016-07-28 22:32:18] BitMEX_Greg : I encourage you to read it, otherwise you can play around on testnet.bitmex.com
[2016-07-28 22:32:57] QuantFocus : do you have records of the fair basis rate on this contract?
[2016-07-28 22:33:09] BitMEX_Greg : I will need to find out from Wally when he's online
[2016-07-28 22:33:11] QuantFocus : and when adjustments were made?
[2016-07-28 22:33:26] BitMEX_Greg : Again, I need to ask Wally. All i know that it was sometime earlier today
[2016-07-28 22:33:38] QuantFocus : are they made at regular intervals?
[2016-07-28 22:33:50] BitMEX_Sam : QuantFocus: The basis adjustment was made today at 17:45 UTC
[2016-07-28 22:34:05] BitMEX_Sam : at that time the bid/ask was 716.51/725
[2016-07-28 22:34:20] BitMEX_Sam : The basis adjustment has not affected the market.
[2016-07-28 22:34:42] QuantFocus : so are they made at regular intervals/
[2016-07-28 22:34:55] QuantFocus : and is there some type of indicative adjustment listed somewhere?
[2016-07-28 22:35:02] BitMEX_Sam : No, they are made as needed. XBTU is an exception to our usual policy due to its illiquidity
[2016-07-28 22:35:20] QuantFocus : can you see how it's difficult to trade around that?
[2016-07-28 22:35:53] BitMEX_Greg : I understand your difficulty, but in fact the move was made because of where the market was, not the other way around
[2016-07-28 22:35:55] BitMEX_Sam : If you accept that small changes in the basis used for mark price do not affect the market, then no, i do not see the issue
[2016-07-28 22:36:08] BitMEX_Sam : In this case it did not affect the market, and it has not in previous adjustments as well
[2016-07-28 22:41:32] miramm1115 : I can assure that my MM doesn't look at mark price on XBTU16 when quoting. It's quoting lower bc ppl were selling a lot
[2016-07-28 22:44:44] miramm1115 : I don't think there are any bots that look at mark price, and current quotes are not affected by the mark price. It's the other way around like Sam siad
[2016-07-28 22:44:48] miramm1115 : *said
[2016-07-28 22:44:54] BitMEX_Sam : It's not even quoting lower since the change, the ask has been at 725 since well before then
[2016-07-28 22:45:56] miramm1115 : 89 is not mine but yeah, no changes since adjustemnt
[2016-07-28 22:46:29] QuantFocus : what was the mark price pre-adjustment?
[2016-07-28 22:48:04] miramm1115 : around 735
[2016-07-28 22:48:21] miramm1115 : a bit higher
[2016-07-28 22:50:06] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Sam: and when was the new mark price determined? right at 17:45, or earlier?
[2016-07-28 22:50:28] BitMEX_Sam : Right at that time
[2016-07-28 22:51:50] miramm1115 : mark is still a bit too high compared to market tbh, should be around 720
[2016-07-28 23:00:44] sleger : sounds like someone doesnt want to stop loss someone else
[2016-07-28 23:09:05] sleger : ok that lounge has the worst internet ever, just going to board and sip champagne through the flight to Paris.
[2016-07-28 23:09:42] sleger : rapidtrades: good to see you too, what's a "feg" ?
[2016-07-28 23:11:15] nip : sleger: agree
[2016-07-28 23:37:28] aethlios : sleger: Hello, are you back trading here again?? I will meet you to the order book.
[2016-07-28 23:54:57] zanza : did anyone see that Yen action? rapidtrades
[2016-07-29 00:27:24] nip : well at least factum is going the right direction
[2016-07-29 00:31:54] laisee : nip: whats the story on Factom? anyine using it?
[2016-07-29 01:13:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 5205 @ 0.002506
[2016-07-29 01:14:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC24H`: Sell 40 @ 0.002502
[2016-07-29 01:14:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 400 @ 0.01933
[2016-07-29 01:16:03] nip : laisee: your not using factums?
[2016-07-29 01:16:41] nip : its number 3 on polo
[2016-07-29 02:12:06] jesperf : china is emptying its morning bowels
[2016-07-29 02:31:41] laisee : nip: winder if FCT real-world use has taken off
[2016-07-29 02:53:06] mughat : I have a request for an option to short STEEM
[2016-07-29 02:53:37] mughat : Are there any plans for supporting STEEM and baybe SBD?
[2016-07-29 02:53:43] mughat : maybe*
[2016-07-29 02:55:33] BitMEX_Greg : mughat: We want to ensure that the primary market for the altcoin is liquid enough to justify a derivative on it
[2016-07-29 03:24:46] Rado : mughat: which means NO :-)
[2016-07-29 03:25:14] Rado : why do you want to trade STEEM?
[2016-07-29 03:25:35] Rado : BTC, ETH, ETC are the way to make money
[2016-07-29 03:25:39] mughat : Ultimatly for profits
[2016-07-29 03:25:43] Rado : unless you don't want to make money
[2016-07-29 03:26:06] Rado : how is STEEM going to help you make profits?
[2016-07-29 03:26:07] mughat : There is a lot of irrationality in the markets around steem
[2016-07-29 03:26:18] mughat : That is where the money is
[2016-07-29 03:26:27] Rado : and not with ETH?
[2016-07-29 03:27:22] Rado : ETH has 50x more volume than STEEM
[2016-07-29 04:36:57] rapidtrades : NO COPTER CASH FOR YOU!
[2016-07-29 05:03:41] bernx : BitMEX_Greg: somone from mods say they will incrace etc leverage if some exchange add margin. bitfinex add
[2016-07-29 05:08:39] BitMEX_Arthur : bernx: Yes `ETC7D` will list at 12:00 UTC
[2016-07-29 05:08:44] BitMEX_Arthur : Leverage will be doubled to 10x
[2016-07-29 05:14:36] bernx : sweet
[2016-07-29 05:28:56] rapidtrades : ABE IS NOT PLEASED
[2016-07-29 05:31:49] zanza : did you see the Yen spike 200 pip earlier rapidtrades ?
[2016-07-29 05:39:28] ayy_lmao : oh shit
[2016-07-29 05:39:28] ayy_lmao : 10x
[2016-07-29 05:39:30] ayy_lmao : for 10x the rekt
[2016-07-29 05:48:37] BitMEX_Wally : `ETC7D`with 10x leverage will start trading after `ETC24H` expires in 6 hours: https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/ETC7D
[2016-07-29 05:51:38] ayy_lmao : @BitMEX_Wally : http://imgur.com/gallery/7lZwLKc
[2016-07-29 05:52:37] BitMEX_Wally : 
[2016-07-29 05:53:16] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-07-29 06:03:51] bernx : eth volume @ polo just a big joke lol
[2016-07-29 06:04:22] bernx : 13.5k btc 24 hour with 2.5 margin
[2016-07-29 06:04:31] bernx : etc 41 without
[2016-07-29 06:46:13] rapidtrades : zanza: yea i did
[2016-07-29 06:49:24] haxmb : BitMEX_Arthur: @BitMEX_Wally: is there a separate rate limit for different pairs?
[2016-07-29 06:49:51] haxmb : because i'd like to add ETC7D but i'm already running into limits sometimes with XBT and ETH enabled
[2016-07-29 06:54:08] BitMEX_Arthur : haxmb: what is the error you are receiving
[2016-07-29 06:56:50] NickBit : How do I select ETC7D
[2016-07-29 07:01:05] BitMEX_Wally : NickBit: It's not open for trading yet. It will appear in 5 hours
[2016-07-29 07:01:20] haxmb : BitMEX_Arthur: used to sometimes get errors
[2016-07-29 07:01:34] haxmb : just wondering if i'll get them back if I add more pairs
[2016-07-29 07:04:54] BitMEX_Wally : haxmb: Rate limit errors?
[2016-07-29 07:07:56] BitMEX_Wally : haxmb: I have just increased your rate limit from 300 to 900 calls per 5 minutes. So you shouldn't have this problem again
[2016-07-29 07:26:38] haxmb : BitMEX_Wally: cheers
[2016-07-29 07:28:01] haxmb : ETC7D is launching in 4h30?
[2016-07-29 07:40:18] BitMEX_Arthur : haxmb: yes appx
[2016-07-29 07:41:52] haxmb : cool
[2016-07-29 07:44:23] Mm bot : BitMEX_Arthur: u guys should do more marketing to gain more adaption
[2016-07-29 07:45:55] BitMEX_Arthur : Mm bot: We are in the process of finalising our Chinese language site and building our support and marketing team so we are excited for 2H16
[2016-07-29 08:17:19] bernx : Polo troll box knowing about bitmexz a little
[2016-07-29 09:19:42] Mm bot : BitMEX_Arthur: This is such a great platform, deserve more exposure and liquidity
[2016-07-29 10:23:39] bernx : BitMEX_Arthur: how long before x10?
[2016-07-29 10:23:46] bernx : *how much time
[2016-07-29 10:25:00] BitMEX_Arthur : 90 minutes
[2016-07-29 10:26:09] rapidtrades : this post-BOJ reaction demonstrates why fundamental trading is BS
[2016-07-29 10:27:04] rapidtrades : market rallied for weeks on copter cash, didn't get any increase in monetary base and yen is still 500 pips above where it was pre-copter cash
[2016-07-29 10:27:29] rapidtrades : ok 350 pips on u/j
[2016-07-29 11:17:49] BagHolder : hi
[2016-07-29 11:18:17] BagHolder : so from now on 40 min to x10 ETC?
[2016-07-29 11:19:06] ayy_lmao : ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[2016-07-29 11:19:31] BitMEX_Wally : Yes
[2016-07-29 11:27:43] NukeLaloosh : rapidtrades: you don't think boj is selling?
[2016-07-29 11:38:19] rapidtrades : probably not
[2016-07-29 11:43:41] bernx : what is boj?
[2016-07-29 11:45:34] justinlooking : japan's central bank
[2016-07-29 11:47:29] nip : come on factums moon!
[2016-07-29 11:57:57] rapidtrades : anyone bought skype credit with bitcoin? what did u use
[2016-07-29 12:02:29] ayy_lmao : i hope this weekly is just as liquid as teh 24h
[2016-07-29 12:02:34] ayy_lmao : for ect
[2016-07-29 12:04:22] ayy_lmao : @ @BitMEX_Wally : no way you could have ported the 24hr chart to the 7d?
[2016-07-29 12:04:22] BitMEX_Wally : ETC7D with 10x is live: https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/ETC7D
[2016-07-29 12:04:32] BitMEX_Wally : ayy_lmao: I'm going to port the chart
[2016-07-29 12:04:35] ayy_lmao : nice
[2016-07-29 12:24:35] BitMEX_Wally : History is there now
[2016-07-29 12:28:44] micmix : how long before the first REKT on ETC7D? place your bets here ;-)
[2016-07-29 12:32:59] bernx : I'm ready for be rekted
[2016-07-29 12:54:42] justinlooking : ooh didn't notice this on tradeblock: http://anony.ws/image/NN3O
[2016-07-29 13:03:10] steam.machine : @BitMEX_Wally: I had some issues with my email provider and had to retry withdrawal several times. The last one was successful. Will it be included in today's batch?
[2016-07-29 13:05:29] BitMEX_Wally : steam.machine: It was confirmed 3 minutes too late
[2016-07-29 13:05:39] BitMEX_Wally : Let me see if I can process it now
[2016-07-29 13:07:11] steam.machine : thank you
[2016-07-29 13:14:50] Jianbin : Hello there
[2016-07-29 13:15:02] Jianbin : I have initiate an withdraw yesterday
[2016-07-29 13:15:15] Jianbin : But I havn't received it yet.
[2016-07-29 13:15:21] Jianbin : Is it normal ?
[2016-07-29 13:16:44] ayy_lmao : yes
[2016-07-29 13:16:54] BitMEX_Wally : Jianbin: Let me check for you
[2016-07-29 13:17:22] Jianbin : thank you
[2016-07-29 13:17:52] BitMEX_Wally : Jianbin: Your withdrawal has been broadcast
[2016-07-29 13:17:54] BitMEX_Wally : steam.machine: Yours too
[2016-07-29 13:18:08] BitMEX_Wally : Withdrawals are processed every day at 13:00 UTC which is 21:00 CST
[2016-07-29 13:19:11] sleger : BitMEX_Wally: you sure ?
[2016-07-29 13:19:23] steam.machine : thanks a lot :)
[2016-07-29 13:19:24] sleger : don't forget I'm a visionary
[2016-07-29 13:19:43] BitMEX_Wally : sleger: Sure about what? :)
[2016-07-29 13:19:52] sleger : "Withdrawals are processed every day at 13:00 UTC which is 21:00 CST"
[2016-07-29 13:19:58] BitMEX_Wally : China Standard Time
[2016-07-29 13:20:23] sleger : cst is central standard time, but I see what you meant
[2016-07-29 13:21:25] BitMEX_Wally : sleger: CST is also China Standard Time, and we don't allow US customers...
[2016-07-29 13:21:36] sleger : no but you allow timezones
[2016-07-29 13:22:16] BitMEX_Wally : I should probably say Heure Normale du Centre
[2016-07-29 13:22:32] sleger : or heure normale de chine
[2016-07-29 13:22:39] sleger : apparently
[2016-07-29 13:22:51] BitMEX_Wally : Next time I'll just say HKT
[2016-07-29 13:22:53] BitMEX_Wally : Which is where most of us are
[2016-07-29 13:23:41] Jianbin : So has has been 20 min
[2016-07-29 13:24:23] bernx : etc reckts soon
[2016-07-29 13:24:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 8 @ 0.00240
[2016-07-29 13:24:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 95 @ 0.00237
[2016-07-29 13:24:36] nip : looks like factums announced a huge partnership
[2016-07-29 13:24:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 2800 @ 0.00236
[2016-07-29 13:24:37] BitMEX_Wally : Jianbin: Your transaction was broadcast to the network 10 minutes ago. It should be confirmed in the next block
[2016-07-29 13:24:41] ayy_lmao : that was fast
[2016-07-29 13:24:59] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-07-29 13:29:18] BitMEX_Wally : Although you put a lower fee on the tx so it might take longer...
[2016-07-29 13:34:45] jesperf : bitcoin trading volumes has really stagnated since eth got a twin bastard brother
[2016-07-29 13:35:37] jesperf : maybe not so much the chinese volumes
[2016-07-29 13:44:10] johndoe : yah, ETC has been a lot of fun, but it'll dissipate a lot over the next month. All of this does help show BTC's stability/consistency though.
[2016-07-29 13:45:14] justinlooking : jd u getting into a big short with a hidden order here?
[2016-07-29 13:45:22] justinlooking : (XBTUSD)
[2016-07-29 13:46:29] nip : justinlooking: that was me
[2016-07-29 13:46:31] johndoe : no, i'm just steadily long xbtusd for the last week or so
[2016-07-29 13:47:37] johndoe : been doing all of discretionary trading with ETC - love the volatility and pump-and-dump a few days ago
[2016-07-29 13:51:31] justinlooking : nip: respect
[2016-07-29 13:55:18] justinlooking : johndoe: yeh etc has been awesome, wish i had gotten stuck in earlier
[2016-07-29 14:00:46] johndoe : yeah, that one day when it 500 or so was the most crazy trading i'd ever seen, and i've traded a lot of different non-crypto markets.
[2016-07-29 14:01:36] johndoe : currently short 500 ETC. i think ETC has very little future personally
[2016-07-29 14:03:36] nip : i bought it as a hedge
[2016-07-29 14:04:18] johndoe : yeah, that makes sense to avoid the risks.
[2016-07-29 14:05:07] nip : not a full hedge im long more eth than etc
[2016-07-29 14:05:21] johndoe : i like ETH a lot, but i'm mostly in XBT.
[2016-07-29 14:26:12] rapidtrades : sleger: how's it going bumchum?
[2016-07-29 14:29:35] nip : rapidtrades: jiw
[2016-07-29 14:31:03] rapidtrades : yuan much stronger past few days...bit surprising it hasn't been reflecting in BTC yet
[2016-07-29 14:31:33] bernx : anyone know wtf with eth and etc?
[2016-07-29 14:31:37] bernx : both are die
[2016-07-29 14:31:54] nip : eth isnt that bad
[2016-07-29 14:32:14] nip : and etcs were all given out for free..
[2016-07-29 14:32:19] rapidtrades : eth is an imposter and need s to die
[2016-07-29 14:32:21] bernx : but still no volume/ no good news/ stagnate
[2016-07-29 14:32:51] nip : rapidtrades: what do you think of factums?
[2016-07-29 14:33:04] nip : just announced a major partnetship to provide financial records
[2016-07-29 14:33:14] rapidtrades : never heard of i
[2016-07-29 14:33:20] rapidtrades : t
[2016-07-29 14:33:33] nip : its 3 on polo and traded here for a long time
[2016-07-29 14:33:38] nip : behind etc and eth
[2016-07-29 14:34:34] rapidtrades : coool
[2016-07-29 14:35:30] bernx : fct was about 400
[2016-07-29 14:35:42] bernx : was manipulated befire HF is out
[2016-07-29 14:38:30] rapidtrades : 400 what?
[2016-07-29 14:47:23] wotan : wild beast block (wbb) and shift imo best undervalued longterm picks in crypto now
[2016-07-29 14:47:48] wotan : wbb for example released a decentraliced crypto os soon there will be a completely new crypto wallet that never seen before
[2016-07-29 14:48:17] wotan : shift working on a fully decentraliced environment and implementing zeronet infastruccture to their system
[2016-07-29 14:48:33] wotan : those are longterm coins to hold good luck with etc hehe
[2016-07-29 14:59:14] BagHolder : uhg i gonna invest my profits there then
[2016-07-29 15:48:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 100 @ 0.00249
[2016-07-29 20:01:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 1500 @ 0.002614
[2016-07-29 20:03:20] nip : come on factum hold
[2016-07-29 20:21:18] irbbqu : How many conf for deposits?
[2016-07-29 20:22:37] justinlooking : 1
[2016-07-29 20:23:18] justinlooking : but sometimes some safety mechanism triggers that requires manual intervention, when their ISVs fuck up
[2016-07-29 20:36:58] justinlooking : a buttload of volume in last 5 mins in etc on polo
[2016-07-29 20:38:48] justinlooking : scratch that. shitty fuckin chart
[2016-07-29 21:07:58] BitMEX_Sam : We've had blockchain data providers screw up in the past, but we have an additional redundant provider now that helps significantly
[2016-07-29 21:08:19] BitMEX_Sam : I see your deposit confirmed about 20 minutes ago.
[2016-07-30 00:49:12] lockhedge : Vitalik on the Ethereum Foundation's assets: "We have ~1.1m ETH net (the wallet still contains a bit of unclaimed premine) plus ~750 btc and ~$2.7m in bank accounts" https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4v465q/ethereum_foundation_transparency/
[2016-07-30 00:50:06] lockhedge : they sold half of their ETH assets (1.1m) since January
[2016-07-30 00:51:29] rapidtrades : wow
[2016-07-30 00:51:44] rapidtrades : lockhedge: so they were selling not buying?
[2016-07-30 00:52:13] rapidtrades : i guess this is for the foundation not individula members tho....they prolly mined a f*ckton
[2016-07-30 01:02:52] lockhedge : they spend around $3m for developers and other staff per year, most of them are paid in fiat currencies
[2016-07-30 01:10:46] rapidtrades : to me it looks like they manipulate eth
[2016-07-30 01:11:01] rapidtrades : their hard fork just confirms by suspicion
[2016-07-30 01:12:07] rapidtrades : my suspicion
[2016-07-30 01:12:47] rapidtrades : dam usd/cnh down to 6.62
[2016-07-30 01:13:08] rapidtrades : barely any reaction in bitcoin
[2016-07-30 01:15:11] rapidtrades : guess the link only matters when yuan is weakening? lol
[2016-07-30 01:15:48] rapidtrades : 'I'll have my cake and eat it too' chinese miners
[2016-07-30 02:10:42] dasdfasdf : Why does adding margin fail when trying to use whole balance?
[2016-07-30 02:23:35] bernx : Barry Silbert twitt about Bitmex
[2016-07-30 02:36:54] kingscrown : nice
[2016-07-30 02:48:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 4 @ 0.002551 :punch: :whale:
[2016-07-30 02:49:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 100 @ 0.002557
[2016-07-30 02:50:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 30 @ 0.002568
[2016-07-30 04:23:57] zanza : rapidtrades: you been playing YEN ?
[2016-07-30 05:10:12] bernx : Some guys say there is x100 btc
[2016-07-30 05:10:14] bernx : where is?
[2016-07-30 05:14:19] lockhedge : https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/XBJ24H
[2016-07-30 12:22:53] justinlooking : support: why do the realised pnl values jump around in "expired positions" every 10 seconds or so? it's very odd...
[2016-07-30 12:25:33] justinlooking : the XBTV15/Z15/H16 mark prices are still moving. but XBTM16 is not
[2016-07-30 13:20:10] BitMEX_Wally : justinlooking: Are you seeing the mark prices and realised PNL values change, or the order of the rows change?
[2016-07-30 13:20:40] BitMEX_Wally : Once an instrument has settled the position data does not change
[2016-07-30 13:20:50] justinlooking : oh it's the order of the rows, sorry
[2016-07-30 13:21:47] BitMEX_Wally : Might be something to do with how the position table handles updates. We'll investigate
[2016-07-30 16:52:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 250 @ 67122.0
[2016-07-30 17:28:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 1863 @ 0.002386
[2016-07-30 19:46:45] justinlooking : also wally, instruments in "Closed Positions" shows -- in the realised realised pnl. is that intended?
[2016-07-30 23:07:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 1300 @ 0.002371
[2016-07-30 23:20:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 2 @ 0.01907 :punch: :whale:
[2016-07-30 23:21:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 24 @ 0.01905
[2016-07-31 02:09:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 302 @ 650.25
[2016-07-31 02:09:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 600 @ 648.92
[2016-07-31 02:10:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 13001 @ 648.29
[2016-07-31 02:10:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 38000 @ 648.00 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-07-31 02:10:57] REKT : Blood on the streets!
[2016-07-31 02:10:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 400 @ 647.87
[2016-07-31 02:11:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 36561 @ 647.62 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-07-31 02:11:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3700 @ 647.77
[2016-07-31 02:11:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 152 @ 647.55
[2016-07-31 02:11:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1 @ 646.96 :punch: :whale:
[2016-07-31 02:11:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 13000 @ 645.83
[2016-07-31 02:11:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 797 @ 645.32
[2016-07-31 02:11:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 6500 @ 645.30
[2016-07-31 02:11:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 705 @ 645.15
[2016-07-31 02:11:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1600 @ 645.02
[2016-07-31 02:11:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1370 @ 644.88
[2016-07-31 02:11:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 500 @ 644.24
[2016-07-31 02:11:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 200 @ 644.15
[2016-07-31 02:11:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 50000 @ 643.68 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-07-31 02:11:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 200 @ 643.24
[2016-07-31 02:14:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 16906 @ 642.29
[2016-07-31 02:14:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2000 @ 642.38
[2016-07-31 02:14:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 17888 @ 642.39
[2016-07-31 02:16:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 13700 @ 641.22
[2016-07-31 02:16:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3000 @ 640.36
[2016-07-31 02:16:48] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTU16`: Sell 14701 @ 709.59
[2016-07-31 02:16:49] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1500 @ 638.75
[2016-07-31 02:16:49] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 95000 @ 638.93 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-07-31 02:16:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 23565 @ 638.57 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-07-31 02:16:58] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 214400 @ 637.68 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-07-31 02:16:58] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 34100 @ 637.98 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-07-31 02:17:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100000 @ 636.38 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-07-31 02:17:23] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTU16`: Sell 10416 @ 705.03
[2016-07-31 02:17:23] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 120000 @ 635.48 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-07-31 02:17:23] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 74933 @ 635.14 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-07-31 02:17:23] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1 @ 635.62 :punch: :whale:
[2016-07-31 02:18:52] bernx : wow
[2016-07-31 02:25:32] nip : end of btc
[2016-07-31 02:25:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 30000 @ 634.69 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-07-31 02:26:37] ax : one billion dollars in liqs
[2016-07-31 02:30:22] bernx : so sad
[2016-07-31 02:30:48] bernx : wow! look at depth
[2016-07-31 02:30:54] bernx : 832962 liq
[2016-07-31 02:31:19] mike1000 : And I close my short before going to sleep :(
[2016-07-31 02:31:38] bernx : better safe then sorry mate!
[2016-07-31 02:33:29] Chimpindeed : Whats happening out there?
[2016-07-31 02:39:03] CaptainDean : massive rek, 30$ crash
[2016-07-31 02:39:42] Chimpindeed : Will it bounce here or further downside?
[2016-07-31 02:40:26] mike1000 : the up resistance is 2x the orderbook
[2016-07-31 02:40:45] muirtastic : Wow what carnage
[2016-07-31 02:41:08] nip : bring on the socialized losses
[2016-07-31 02:41:08] Chimpindeed : So shorts in play till?
[2016-07-31 02:43:58] muirtastic : I'm staying short and not covering here. Uptrend is broken going back to 450
[2016-07-31 02:44:13] muirtastic : Uptrend support line I mean
[2016-07-31 02:45:09] mike1000 : muirtastic: which time frame?
[2016-07-31 02:45:29] muirtastic : The time frame going back to 450
[2016-07-31 02:46:04] bernx : 450-750-450?
[2016-07-31 02:46:04] nip : insurance fund must be empty
[2016-07-31 02:46:22] muirtastic : If a 3% drop empties insurance fund, tha tis not good
[2016-07-31 02:46:31] nip : the liquidation order stopped moving down
[2016-07-31 02:46:47] mike1000 : The time frame on which it's visible that uptrend support is broken
[2016-07-31 02:51:07] 1QaZxSw2 : dude chart is all f*d up
[2016-07-31 02:51:29] rapidtrades : that's gonna be one heck of a DPE if not filled
[2016-07-31 02:52:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 1110 @ 0.01941
[2016-07-31 02:52:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 9 @ 0.01942
[2016-07-31 02:52:29] 1QaZxSw2 : i thought bitmex has added coinpit style deleverage, why do we still have DPE?
[2016-07-31 02:52:52] 1QaZxSw2 : oh its on ETC only
[2016-07-31 02:54:14] BitMEX_Wally : We are testing deleveraging in testnet. There will be lots of notice before we roll it out to production
[2016-07-31 02:55:03] 1QaZxSw2 : so i can test it out now? is it only on ETC?
[2016-07-31 02:55:06] 1QaZxSw2 : i mean on testnet
[2016-07-31 03:00:00] BitMEX_Wally : Sure
[2016-07-31 03:04:37] Pedro : wats with that liquidation lol
[2016-07-31 03:27:32] zanza : i dont see a liq ?
[2016-07-31 03:28:10] zanza : oh, does that mean the insurance will cover it ?
[2016-07-31 03:29:04] BitMEX_Wally : 342218 at 634.95 on the offer. It's mostly gone
[2016-07-31 03:29:14] rapidtrades : 'mostly' lol
[2016-07-31 03:33:19] zanza : how come the profit adjustment is - ?
[2016-07-31 03:33:21] zanza : 0.
[2016-07-31 03:33:42] zanza : I wish we had a stable coin like ETC
[2016-07-31 03:34:00] laisee : yay, ETC is the new BTC
[2016-07-31 03:34:52] elmorte : Does that mean ETC dead?
[2016-07-31 03:35:27] elmorte : RIP gone too soon
[2016-07-31 03:35:36] laisee : better rename as DeadCoin
[2016-07-31 03:36:27] laisee : or, DeadCoin and NewDeadCoin
[2016-07-31 03:36:40] rapidtrades : i think the longer it lives, the higher the price
[2016-07-31 03:39:20] nip : XBTU16 fair basis way too high again
[2016-07-31 03:39:44] nip : (not that it was ever put within the spread)
[2016-07-31 03:41:14] nip : it liquidates too late and the liquidation orders dont even make it past the ask
[2016-07-31 03:41:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 961 @ 64964.0
[2016-07-31 03:46:20] rapidtrades : did the mark on sept just move from 703 to 697
[2016-07-31 03:46:39] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: I dropped the basis slightly to keep nip happy
[2016-07-31 03:46:53] rapidtrades : cool
[2016-07-31 03:46:55] nip : BitMEX_Wally: :) thanks
[2016-07-31 03:47:41] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: is sept on seperate insurance pool from swap?
[2016-07-31 03:47:49] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: Yes
[2016-07-31 03:47:55] rapidtrades : cool
[2016-07-31 03:49:22] rapidtrades : damit i take a piece at 634 and now its down to 633 :)
[2016-07-31 03:51:52] BitMEX_Wally : That's because the liquidation order is slowly earning the maker fee
[2016-07-31 03:52:10] BitMEX_Wally : So then there is slightly more funds for the remaining order to be moved down
[2016-07-31 04:00:04] rapidtrades : i c
[2016-07-31 04:00:36] BitMEX_Wally : And it's gone
[2016-07-31 04:01:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 750 @ 633.27
[2016-07-31 04:01:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 12560 @ 633.45
[2016-07-31 04:02:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 250 @ 633.02
[2016-07-31 04:03:55] sharpie0101 : what happened at 10pm eastern time?
[2016-07-31 04:04:02] sharpie0101 : china selling off?
[2016-07-31 04:04:50] sharpie0101 : enough time of virtually no performance
[2016-07-31 04:04:57] sharpie0101 : entering bear market
[2016-07-31 04:06:20] Pedro : lol bitmex why so bear
[2016-07-31 04:06:43] rapidtrades : are google authy codes always same length?
[2016-07-31 04:06:51] bernx : y
[2016-07-31 04:07:02] sharpie0101 : someone had to unload a lot at 10pm
[2016-07-31 04:07:12] rapidtrades : and can it contain this char =
[2016-07-31 04:07:27] sharpie0101 : fuck google authycodes
[2016-07-31 04:07:39] rapidtrades : HEY FECK U DUDE
[2016-07-31 04:08:01] sharpie0101 : does bitmex api's require google's apis
[2016-07-31 04:08:05] sharpie0101 : ?
[2016-07-31 04:08:39] sharpie0101 : pretty sure https is secure
[2016-07-31 04:08:50] sharpie0101 : and supports authenticated client with certificates
[2016-07-31 04:09:02] sharpie0101 : so no need for shitty google authentication
[2016-07-31 04:09:26] bernx : lol you mad?
[2016-07-31 04:10:09] rapidtrades : prolly a longie got caught
[2016-07-31 04:11:38] BitMEX_Wally : sharpie0101: There is no requirement to use 2FA, and you can use the API with access tokens, or API keys
[2016-07-31 04:15:21] sharpie0101 : oh thats good then
[2016-07-31 04:15:35] sharpie0101 : kinda like coinbase api
[2016-07-31 04:16:13] BitMEX_Wally : I would strongly recommend you use Clef (much better than Google Authenticator): http://clef.io/
[2016-07-31 04:17:02] muirtastic : I've never understood how Clef could be better than Google Authenticator. Doesn't it let you bypass using a password, even
[2016-07-31 04:17:46] rapidtrades : aren't u f*cked if u lose ur phone
[2016-07-31 04:18:10] muirtastic : yes seems like it. Or if someone gets your phone, they could log in. When with 2fa, they would need username, pw, and phone
[2016-07-31 04:18:17] BitMEX_Wally : Clef store an encrypted backup for you, which you can recover. Same with Authy
[2016-07-31 04:18:44] muirtastic : I just save the QR code for all my 2fa's in an encrypted folder so I can always recover them if my phone dies
[2016-07-31 04:19:04] rapidtrades : encrypted how?
[2016-07-31 04:19:26] muirtastic : I just Symantec encryption and encrypt with PGP disk, but you could use Truecrypt or anything else
[2016-07-31 04:20:10] rapidtrades : ur machine has to be secure when u do that right...cos otherwise they can read the pass?
[2016-07-31 04:20:13] BitMEX_Wally : https://getclef.com/security/
[2016-07-31 04:20:40] BitMEX_Wally : Those QR codes, or seeds, can be stolen. Clef cannot
[2016-07-31 04:20:53] rapidtrades : stolen how
[2016-07-31 04:21:13] nip : stolen if you save it unencrypted?
[2016-07-31 04:21:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 58000 @ 632.01 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-07-31 04:21:29] rapidtrades : ffs
[2016-07-31 04:21:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 620 @ 631.09
[2016-07-31 04:21:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3500 @ 630.91
[2016-07-31 04:21:47] zanza : This difficulty downward adjustment is bearish