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[2016-01-01 11:58:37] BitMEX_Wally : To save on the settlement fee
[2016-01-01 11:59:01] rapidtrades : that's $1.5 above settlement price
[2016-01-01 11:59:18] rapidtrades : xbt yo
[2016-01-01 11:59:39] BitMEX_Wally : They will get a 2.5 bps rebate if it is hit
[2016-01-01 12:00:06] rapidtrades : tha's 8 cents
[2016-01-01 12:00:09] rapidtrades : sry 10 now
[2016-01-01 12:00:17] BitMEX_Wally : Odd
[2016-01-01 12:04:08] messiaen8844 : BitMEX_Wally: hi, some local time oddity here. 1 minute ago it said 7D would expire in 21h here
[2016-01-01 12:08:01] messiaen8844 : Daily expiring on 2d lol.. Accessing frok another country
[2016-01-01 12:12:19] BitMEX_Wally : messiaen8844: Could you check that the timezone is set correctly on your computer?
[2016-01-01 12:12:21] BitMEX_Wally : You might need to correct the timezone AND the time
[2016-01-01 12:12:54] rapidtrades : oh-oh...it's the 2016 BUG
[2016-01-01 12:12:56] Gomezpl : It must be date od computer
[2016-01-01 12:13:09] rapidtrades : SELL EVERYTHING
[2016-01-01 12:13:16] rapidtrades : SELL YO KIDS SELL YO WIFES
[2016-01-01 12:13:28] rapidtrades : BUG IN BITCOIN
[2016-01-01 12:15:05] Skuffone : Is okcoin website down?
[2016-01-01 12:15:32] rapidtrades : nope
[2016-01-01 12:15:54] messiaen8844 : BitMEX_Wally: accessing from android tablet, also facing similar issues in other sites, probably some issue with my settings
[2016-01-01 12:16:58] BitMEX_Wally : Skuffone: .cn is up but .com is down it seems
[2016-01-01 12:19:29] trestres : BitMEX_Wally: can you check pls my positions? As I see there are some mistakes
[2016-01-01 12:20:05] Skuffone : Ah .com is down for me
[2016-01-01 12:23:01] Skuffone : That's crazy it has been down for ages
[2016-01-01 12:24:01] Skuffone : Bet they are taking everyone's btc
[2016-01-01 12:25:50] BitMEX_Wally : trestres: I can see you have positions in XBTH16 and XBTM16
[2016-01-01 12:26:08] trestres : true
[2016-01-01 12:27:13] BitMEX_Wally : trestres: You can see your Trade History here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-01-01 12:27:50] trestres : but I should lose on XBTM16 and gain on XBTH16 and not the opposite
[2016-01-01 12:28:51] BitMEX_Wally : Every Friday all unrealisedPnl becomes realisedPnl and is available for withdrawal. We call this rebalance.
[2016-01-01 12:29:23] trestres : ah sorry ------ I didnt know it
[2016-01-01 12:29:33] BitMEX_Wally : Your PNL is still the same, it has just moved from one column to another :)
[2016-01-01 12:29:49] trestres : yes... now I understood
[2016-01-01 12:29:56] trestres : tnks
[2016-01-01 12:30:11] BitMEX_Wally : No worries, you can see the CashRebalance transaction in your wallet: https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2016-01-01 13:48:12] Gomezpl : Stupid questiin any way to cancel withdrawal that was co firmed but nit completed?
[2016-01-01 13:54:29] macios15 : nice dump
[2016-01-01 13:56:59] BitMEX_Wally : Gomezpl: Yes please email support@bitmex.com
[2016-01-01 14:15:28] BitMEX_Wally : Gomezpl: I just canceled your withdrawal as we are broadcasting transactions now
[2016-01-01 14:57:26] Gomezpl : Thank you!
[2016-01-01 14:57:40] Gomezpl : Kisses:)
[2016-01-01 15:22:32] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 400 @ 432.40
[2016-01-01 16:37:07] jon___ : hello
[2016-01-01 16:50:54] REKT : Big whale detected
[2016-01-01 16:50:54] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 3 @ 431.82
[2016-01-01 18:06:32] darchray : what will happen to the orders once liquidated? will they be lost forever?
[2016-01-01 18:27:53] tscha : darchray: orders can't get liquidated. positions get liquidated. they will be taken over by the trading system.
[2016-01-01 18:31:06] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 5 @ 434.25
[2016-01-01 19:34:07] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT7D: Buy 2000 @ 437.04
[2016-01-01 20:27:08] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT7D: Buy 100 @ 439.35
[2016-01-01 20:27:55] tscha : stop manipulating 7D guys... thank you
[2016-01-01 20:28:35] sleger : why ? you got your 5 contracts position rekted ?
[2016-01-01 20:29:34] tscha : my position is 50 contracts!!!! not 5!!!!!!!
[2016-01-01 20:32:17] sleger : wow big balls here
[2016-01-01 20:39:52] tscha : i once had 7000 position!!! so dont make fun!!!!!
[2016-01-01 20:41:03] manchstr_untd1 : lol
[2016-01-01 20:41:27] sleger : 7000 bitcoins is not too bad ;)
[2016-01-01 20:41:58] tscha : not bicoins.. 7000 contracts=dollars
[2016-01-01 20:42:13] sleger : 1 contract = 1 dollar for you ?
[2016-01-01 20:42:25] justinlooking : yo sleg, u manage to run manu's position :P
[2016-01-01 20:42:37] sleger : manu ? the 7D ?
[2016-01-01 20:42:40] justinlooking : yeh
[2016-01-01 20:42:51] sleger : 8btc profit on that trade yes
[2016-01-01 20:43:00] manchstr_untd1 : sledg u bought a bunch of my 7d that got liqd didnt u? in the damn low 420s if i remember lol
[2016-01-01 20:43:18] sleger : 422 avg yes
[2016-01-01 20:43:25] manchstr_untd1 : u hold til settlement?
[2016-01-01 20:43:37] manchstr_untd1 : ugh so mad i went to sleep without reducing my position that night
[2016-01-01 20:43:39] sleger : most of it yes
[2016-01-01 20:43:41] tscha : 1000 contracts = 1000 dollars no?
[2016-01-01 20:43:53] sleger : tscha: depends where you trade I guess
[2016-01-01 20:44:10] tscha : 1100 contracts = 1400 dollars
[2016-01-01 20:44:25] manchstr_untd1 : good on you man that was a good pickup. now i got some losses to make up :p
[2016-01-01 20:44:49] sleger : I try never to leverage above 4-5
[2016-01-01 20:46:45] justinlooking : flipped a 40k short to 80 long lol u r a hero sleger
[2016-01-01 20:47:37] sleger : doesnt always work but buying 7d at 2-3 points below index when market isnt really crashing is a no brainer
[2016-01-01 20:49:48] justinlooking : running a winner is where i have always struggled
[2016-01-01 21:19:39] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 1000 @ 435.34
[2016-01-01 23:07:06] zanza : so its true the Bit-coin price will double in June?
[2016-01-01 23:07:33] Swedishnut : just got back from my time machine. Yes sir :P
[2016-01-01 23:08:00] zanza : ok great, so I should invest now
[2016-01-01 23:08:21] Swedishnut : only if you want your values to double :)
[2016-01-01 23:24:08] gustavo7 : wow someone bought up xbu
[2016-01-01 23:27:11] sleger : the last trade is a sell
[2016-01-01 23:27:41] gustavo7 : indeed
[2016-01-01 23:29:06] gustavo7 : but when you put the offer at that premium its almost the same
[2016-01-01 23:29:34] sleger : that doesnt mean anything
[2016-01-01 23:29:47] sleger : I can put an offer on xbu at 600 (big premium) so what ?
[2016-01-01 23:33:15] gustavo7 : um maybe i dont get the logic right, recent trade shows the direction the offer was originally right?
[2016-01-01 23:34:47] sleger : recent trades shows many things so you'll have to be more specific
[2016-01-01 23:35:27] sleger : anyways, you said "gustavo7: but when you put the offer at that premium its almost the same" what you meant was to say bid not offer
[2016-01-01 23:47:49] gustavo7 : yes i didn't recall the word "bid" i often use "offer" for both sides
[2016-01-01 23:50:35] gustavo7 : anyway i just tought the bid was high
[2016-01-01 23:51:57] gustavo7 : well hedged off to sleep
[2016-01-02 00:06:32] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 100 @ 436.37
[2016-01-02 00:37:51] Ugly_Old_Goat : So what it prognosis?
[2016-01-02 00:39:22] Ugly_Old_Goat : broke previous weeks low, rallied, broke again into previous weeks low, ralled
[2016-01-02 00:39:41] Ugly_Old_Goat : previous weeks low is now support.
[2016-01-02 00:39:58] Ugly_Old_Goat : Should not break it a gain if going up
[2016-01-02 00:40:27] Ugly_Old_Goat : this rally should take us to new highs.
[2016-01-02 00:40:54] Ugly_Old_Goat : slow at first and then accelerate and get wild
[2016-01-02 00:41:19] Ugly_Old_Goat : Worth what you paid for it
[2016-01-02 00:41:21] Ugly_Old_Goat : Free.
[2016-01-02 00:41:40] Ugly_Old_Goat : fully positioned
[2016-01-02 01:37:34] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 10 @ 435.00
[2016-01-02 01:43:04] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 52 @ 432.07
[2016-01-02 01:43:04] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 7650 @ 432.77
[2016-01-02 01:43:40] habibi : Ugly_Old_Goat: nice local top calling :)
[2016-01-02 01:43:44] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 2500 @ 430.75
[2016-01-02 01:45:14] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 5108 @ 437.07
[2016-01-02 01:45:14] REKT : HODL HODL HODL
[2016-01-02 01:46:24] cekseh : Sell sell sell
[2016-01-02 01:46:25] cekseh : =)
[2016-01-02 01:49:34] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 10 @ 431.57
[2016-01-02 02:46:26] Ugly_Old_Goat : should be about done on dowside
[2016-01-02 02:47:01] Ugly_Old_Goat : maybe 426-428 but not likely
[2016-01-02 02:47:12] Ugly_Old_Goat : be ready to buy if does.
[2016-01-02 02:47:34] Ugly_Old_Goat : Cover all sales about 434
[2016-01-02 02:47:47] Ugly_Old_Goat : should recover
[2016-01-02 02:47:53] Ugly_Old_Goat : accelerate slowly
[2016-01-02 02:48:04] Ugly_Old_Goat : then ge wild in Jan
[2016-01-02 02:49:32] Ugly_Old_Goat : Likely target 800+
[2016-01-02 03:02:13] Ugly_Old_Goat : 6-12 weeks
[2016-01-02 03:02:40] Ugly_Old_Goat : This place is awesome
[2016-01-02 03:03:00] Ugly_Old_Goat : Lots of thought put into it
[2016-01-02 03:04:55] Ugly_Old_Goat : Only possible improvement would be 24 hr at 4pm switches can be made
[2016-01-02 03:08:26] UglyOldGoat : Ugly Old Goat here
[2016-01-02 03:08:59] UglyOldGoat : Anybody here know me from scrypt.cc?
[2016-01-02 03:09:12] SnackyCoins : people often complain about trading on "more popular" exchanges, but seems like very little complaints from bitmex users :) except sleger
[2016-01-02 03:09:44] UglyOldGoat : This place is awesome
[2016-01-02 03:09:51] UglyOldGoat : See nothing but growth
[2016-01-02 03:10:04] UglyOldGoat : A bit different
[2016-01-02 03:10:06] SnackyCoins : agreed i only trade here now
[2016-01-02 03:10:20] UglyOldGoat : Took me a bit to figure it out
[2016-01-02 03:10:36] UglyOldGoat : But great arb and hedgin tool
[2016-01-02 03:10:47] UglyOldGoat : Rates super fantastic
[2016-01-02 03:11:25] UglyOldGoat : Old trader from 1970's, this is very well thought out
[2016-01-02 03:12:07] UglyOldGoat : very smart traders here too
[2016-01-02 03:13:23] melbeehoneyumi : Mr. im new in trading, would it be bothersome to for you to mentor me?
[2016-01-02 03:14:15] Ugly_Old_Goat : Most important thing is money management
[2016-01-02 03:14:58] melbeehoneyumi : yeah, i've been hearing those words since I studied trading
[2016-01-02 03:15:00] Ugly_Old_Goat : You can be a below average trader and still do well if you manage funds
[2016-01-02 03:15:24] Ugly_Old_Goat : Well it is the hardest thing to learn
[2016-01-02 03:15:38] Ugly_Old_Goat : And easy to break
[2016-01-02 03:16:39] melbeehoneyumi : yeah, I always find myself in that situation, its so frustrating
[2016-01-02 03:16:42] Ugly_Old_Goat : This place is so on steroids, that the temptation is to overlevrage
[2016-01-02 03:17:14] Ugly_Old_Goat : But the bankrupt feature is brilliant
[2016-01-02 03:17:42] Ugly_Old_Goat : So basically the winners here in the long run will be those that manage funds well
[2016-01-02 03:18:03] melbeehoneyumi : I've been gathering information on how to trade efficiently on these past few months, but im not certain of all that I learned, I'm hoping someone could mentor me if im doing the right thing
[2016-01-02 03:18:55] Ugly_Old_Goat : Well, start out with long term fundamental strategy
[2016-01-02 03:19:16] Ugly_Old_Goat : Is btc worthless or viable
[2016-01-02 03:19:40] Ugly_Old_Goat : If it is viable, are you using it?
[2016-01-02 03:19:49] Ugly_Old_Goat : or just speculating?
[2016-01-02 03:20:32] melbeehoneyumi : im basing my trade on some patterns that I see basing on the chart
[2016-01-02 03:20:56] melbeehoneyumi : apologies for my lack of knowledge but what is viable?
[2016-01-02 03:21:15] Ugly_Old_Goat : Do you use btc?
[2016-01-02 03:21:20] melbeehoneyumi : yeah
[2016-01-02 03:21:25] Ugly_Old_Goat : Or just trade?
[2016-01-02 03:21:35] melbeehoneyumi : XBTC24H?
[2016-01-02 03:21:40] Ugly_Old_Goat : Ok, then you know it is valuable
[2016-01-02 03:21:49] melbeehoneyumi : ohh it was valuable
[2016-01-02 03:22:06] Ugly_Old_Goat : ??
[2016-01-02 03:22:06] melbeehoneyumi : yeah, I think so
[2016-01-02 03:22:17] Ugly_Old_Goat : Well it is also worthless
[2016-01-02 03:23:02] melbeehoneyumi : I have a feeling too but im not sure
[2016-01-02 03:23:17] melbeehoneyumi : I just trade because I find it profitable to trade
[2016-01-02 03:23:36] melbeehoneyumi : how can you say both are worthless and valuable sir?
[2016-01-02 03:24:01] Ugly_Old_Goat : OK long term I see nothing but gain via fiat as more and more people find it useful
[2016-01-02 03:24:12] Ugly_Old_Goat : But it is also worthless.
[2016-01-02 03:24:56] Ugly_Old_Goat : There are spikes down that wipe out anyone on margin exchanges
[2016-01-02 03:25:12] Ugly_Old_Goat : So you must manage fundins accordingly
[2016-01-02 03:25:23] melbeehoneyumi : yeah, I experienced it, took my 200$
[2016-01-02 03:25:29] Ugly_Old_Goat : Knowing this can and will happen from time to time.
[2016-01-02 03:25:39] melbeehoneyumi : that got me frustrated for a week but seems like I'm addicted to trading
[2016-01-02 03:26:07] Ugly_Old_Goat : Well you must enjoy trading, but you must not be addicted
[2016-01-02 03:26:18] melbeehoneyumi : I have a new strategy this time though
[2016-01-02 03:26:29] Ugly_Old_Goat : You must walk away from time to time just to prove you can
[2016-01-02 03:26:50] Ugly_Old_Goat : If you are addicted you will eventually get wiped out
[2016-01-02 03:27:00] melbeehoneyumi : well, not addicted , wrong word, maybe I find it enjoying and thrill
[2016-01-02 03:27:12] Ugly_Old_Goat : That is fine
[2016-01-02 03:27:21] melbeehoneyumi : yeah maybe its the thrill that got me in to this
[2016-01-02 03:27:55] Ugly_Old_Goat : I am sitting here with chronic diaherra wearing designer Depends
[2016-01-02 03:28:14] melbeehoneyumi : this time, im playing it as safe as I know I can be safe by using 20/80 of my capital
[2016-01-02 03:28:27] Ugly_Old_Goat : Never had chronice diaheria before BTC
[2016-01-02 03:30:03] melbeehoneyumi : tell me, is using 20% of my capital as initial bait to determine the market where it goes a good idea then when it reaches its peak, im gonna put the remaining 80% of my capital, once it retrace, im gonna pull the 80% and put 40% , when retrace again another 40% from the 80% pulled out, what do you think about my strategy?
[2016-01-02 03:30:42] melbeehoneyumi : all longs though
[2016-01-02 03:30:53] melbeehoneyumi : im not sure how to apply it yet
[2016-01-02 03:31:54] Ugly_Old_Goat : sounds fine, but don' really get it
[2016-01-02 03:32:44] Ugly_Old_Goat : This is more tactic than strategy
[2016-01-02 03:33:10] Ugly_Old_Goat : But I find this place use for to offset exchange margined positions
[2016-01-02 03:33:47] Ugly_Old_Goat : Keep the margined positon and play the moves here
[2016-01-02 03:33:50] melbeehoneyumi : lets say, price @ 430$ long but it went down to 426$, so I put my 80% capital coz. it showed confirmation that It will go up, then if retrace at 429$ im gonna pull the 80% and put 40% back, then the market went down to 427$ so I put the remaining 40% and just hope it will shoot up to 433 - 435$?
[2016-01-02 03:34:07] melbeehoneyumi : do you think it would be applicable always?
[2016-01-02 03:34:25] Ugly_Old_Goat : to complicated for me
[2016-01-02 03:39:06] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 150 @ 429.83
[2016-01-02 03:45:36] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 2630 @ 429.80
[2016-01-02 05:36:04] stevelim : The market doesn't seem too strong.
[2016-01-02 05:36:21] stevelim : Futures trading discount everywhere.
[2016-01-02 05:40:16] melbeehoneyumi : so what do you think?
[2016-01-02 05:53:52] stevelim : Probably nothing happens but be cautious if we fall below 2835.
[2016-01-02 05:54:13] stevelim : My SAR indicator says sell if it falls below 2835 CNY
[2016-01-02 05:55:15] stevelim : which is not too far.
[2016-01-02 06:20:58] melbeehoneyumi : its constantly declining
[2016-01-02 06:21:13] melbeehoneyumi : is it a bad indicator ?
[2016-01-02 06:39:49] melbeehoneyumi : what could be a good indicator when is the time to buy or the time to sell?
[2016-01-02 07:16:18] zanza : one doesn't exist
[2016-01-02 07:16:35] zanza : you either believe in Bitcoin, think it will be a future tech and go long
[2016-01-02 07:16:51] zanza : or, believe Bitcoin is ponzi-bubble and short
[2016-01-02 07:17:02] zanza : or run a MM bot, or run an exchange
[2016-01-02 07:26:06] stevelim : Fyi, My indicator just turned bearish. Still waiting or confirmation.
[2016-01-02 07:26:10] stevelim : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/ySByw0IV/
[2016-01-02 07:27:17] stevelim : That is 30 min chart
[2016-01-02 07:31:40] stevelim : we will see if it works.
[2016-01-02 07:41:03] melbeehoneyumi : I can see a head and shoulders pattern just slightly w/slight difference only >_<
[2016-01-02 07:41:12] melbeehoneyumi : do you think it will go down to 425$?
[2016-01-02 07:43:25] stevelim : probably
[2016-01-02 07:50:11] melbeehoneyumi : is there some kind of prayer or words to say around here somewhere , kinda hoping the price would go up >_<
[2016-01-02 07:50:33] Yepachuchu : 'derp'
[2016-01-02 07:54:22] melbeehoneyumi : guess the last 5 mins. decides it all right?
[2016-01-02 09:03:33] gustavo7 : yawn, good morning
[2016-01-02 09:12:58] tscha : morning gus
[2016-01-02 09:38:14] ethexio : Nice orderbook
[2016-01-02 10:48:24] rapidtrades : free money on 24h
[2016-01-02 10:50:36] jesperf : free how?
[2016-01-02 10:52:54] jesperf : price < spot?
[2016-01-02 10:53:29] rapidtrades : yeah below settlement price
[2016-01-02 10:54:14] jesperf : ah, but the next hour is critical ;)
[2016-01-02 10:54:43] rapidtrades : why is it ''critical''?
[2016-01-02 10:56:49] jesperf : because of settlement
[2016-01-02 10:59:01] rapidtrades : too late now :)
[2016-01-02 10:59:27] rapidtrades : wtf...who would sell at 50 cents below settlement 1 hour before settlement
[2016-01-02 11:06:34] Chronuslll : What is mark price ? Not the same as what is current price
[2016-01-02 11:14:12] rapidtrades : what
[2016-01-02 11:21:48] Chronuslll : Mark price for contracts? What is that and why is it used for PNL and margin calculations
[2016-01-02 11:22:20] Chronuslll : instead of last price
[2016-01-02 11:22:54] rapidtrades : mark price=fair price
[2016-01-02 11:23:18] rapidtrades : fair price tends toward the middle of bid/ask
[2016-01-02 11:24:58] rapidtrades : why is it used instead of market? ask bitmex :)
[2016-01-02 11:27:31] Chronuslll : Thanks!
[2016-01-02 11:32:51] rapidtrades : btw XBU uses market price
[2016-01-02 17:33:54] jung1 : hello gentlemans
[2016-01-02 17:39:17] tscha : moontime™
[2016-01-02 17:40:48] sleger : no
[2016-01-02 17:41:17] jung1 : yep, bitcoin is dead
[2016-01-02 17:49:44] laisee : dead, again
[2016-01-02 18:04:27] rotarydialer : I'm trying to get the marketmaker script working to play around with... i'm getting "ERROR - ws_thread - Handshake status 401"
[2016-01-02 18:04:46] rotarydialer : any reason for this? setup api key in the settings.py
[2016-01-02 18:05:42] STRML : Hey rotarydialer
[2016-01-02 18:05:52] STRML : I'm the CTO of BitMEX, I wrote those scripts.
[2016-01-02 18:06:00] rotarydialer : nice STRML!
[2016-01-02 18:06:10] STRML : First thing to check is to make sure you're using the right site - the marketmaker by default connects to Testnet.
[2016-01-02 18:06:19] STRML : Which I would highly recommend starting on, anyway
[2016-01-02 18:06:32] STRML : So if you're trading on Testnet, you need to have a Testnet account and a Testnet API Key
[2016-01-02 18:07:13] rotarydialer : so in need to change this line: BASE_URL = "https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/"
[2016-01-02 18:07:19] rotarydialer : ?
[2016-01-02 18:07:32] STRML : Well, did you mean to trade on the live site?
[2016-01-02 18:07:40] STRML : I wouldn't recommend doing that until you're really comfortable with the program.
[2016-01-02 18:07:43] rotarydialer : no, that is the default setting
[2016-01-02 18:08:08] STRML : Ah, you're right. It shouldn't be - that's my fault
[2016-01-02 18:08:16] STRML : Change it to https://testnet.bitmex.com/api/v1
[2016-01-02 18:08:28] STRML : And the contract to XBT24H or XBT7D
[2016-01-02 18:08:29] rotarydialer : just changed it, now it's working :)
[2016-01-02 18:08:33] STRML : Great :)
[2016-01-02 21:46:51] drizzyjoe : hey can anyone here sell me some bitcoins?
[2016-01-02 21:47:36] tscha : drizzyjoe: how do you wanna pay?
[2016-01-02 21:47:47] drizzyjoe : tscha: do u have a venmo?
[2016-01-02 21:48:34] Yepachuchu : don't people chargeback scam on venmo?
[2016-01-02 21:48:38] tscha : drizzyjoe: nope. does this allow chargebacks? if yes, it is not sufficient
[2016-01-02 21:49:08] drizzyjoe : Yepachuchu: with credit cards... im using my bank
[2016-01-02 21:49:20] tscha : just buy some at an exchange?
[2016-01-02 21:49:41] Yepachuchu : if you're using your bank, then use circle or quickbit then
[2016-01-02 21:49:58] drizzyjoe : Yepachuchu: limit reached
[2016-01-02 21:51:06] Yepachuchu : localbitcoins/quickbit both let you buy by cash deposit at someone else's bank
[2016-01-02 22:10:19] tscha : big volume today <.<
[2016-01-02 22:10:39] BitMEX_Sam : It's quiet... too quiet.
[2016-01-02 22:10:55] BitMEX_Sam : Even Finex is down to 7k coins today
[2016-01-02 22:11:14] drizzyjoe : up or down? i wanna see this baby back at $400
[2016-01-02 22:13:52] HowDoge : would not be surprised, the euro pair has been selling off all day
[2016-01-02 22:32:34] tscha : BitMEX_Sam: btw, what's bitmex' opinion on the blocksize issue? have never heard arthur or someone mention anything
[2016-01-02 22:32:56] BitMEX_Sam : tscha: We try to stay out of it, it's too emotionally charged
[2016-01-02 23:06:09] tscha : BitMEX_Sam: going to screenshot your quote, post it to /r/btc under "BitMEX doesn't explicitly agree with blocksize increase, thus supporting Core-Dev censorship... bribed by blockstream?"
[2016-01-02 23:06:27] BitMEX_Sam : Ahaha... **that** is why
[2016-01-02 23:06:33] tscha : :D
[2016-01-03 01:24:10] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 437 @ 433.20
[2016-01-03 01:24:40] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 2640 @ 434.48
[2016-01-03 01:25:33] HowDoge : down
[2016-01-03 02:10:33] rapidtrades : up or down?
[2016-01-03 02:12:27] rapidtrades : faking finex r*aping my CPU
[2016-01-03 02:17:43] Chronuslll : and some more panic sells
[2016-01-03 02:18:39] rapidtrades : PANIK
[2016-01-03 02:18:42] rapidtrades : SELL YO KIDS
[2016-01-03 02:18:45] rapidtrades : SELL YO WIFE
[2016-01-03 02:20:32] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 700 @ 431.34
[2016-01-03 05:04:24] gouda : i see what you did there with that bidwall
[2016-01-03 05:04:26] gouda : :D
[2016-01-03 05:50:59] ethexio : Whee
[2016-01-03 06:04:00] Chronuslll : Such chop
[2016-01-03 08:43:17] rapidtrades : index so high
[2016-01-03 09:34:52] tscha : why do people want to buy 1.20 above index 2.5 hours before settlement on a super-flat market?
[2016-01-03 09:54:36] gustavo7 : AFAIK shorts can close with lower fees
[2016-01-03 09:55:23] tscha : gustavo7: wut?
[2016-01-03 09:56:22] gustavo7 : longs too
[2016-01-03 09:59:43] gustavo7 : maker fee -0.025 vs settlement 0.05
[2016-01-03 10:00:39] tscha : that has nothing to do with shorts or longs
[2016-01-03 10:01:10] tscha : it just means that if you close a position before settlement, you 1) don't pay settlement fees and 2) collect maker rebate
[2016-01-03 10:01:29] tscha : (under the assumption that you close the position with a maker)
[2016-01-03 10:05:49] tscha : and it still doesn't justify buying 1.25 above index price
[2016-01-03 10:11:52] gustavo7 : Welle i just locked my Profit today
[2016-01-03 10:14:22] gustavo7 : last to days it trended against my positIon before settlement
[2016-01-03 10:16:16] tscha : so because the market went against your position before settlement the last two days, you assumed it will do so again today and closed the position?
[2016-01-03 10:16:58] gustavo7 : This Phone dictionary is killing me
[2016-01-03 10:17:15] gustavo7 : Exactly
[2016-01-03 10:20:31] tscha : reminds me of my ex-girlfriend who thought that the probability of getting dealt a specific poker hand depended on the hands she was dealt before
[2016-01-03 10:21:30] Yepachuchu : well, if you dont reshuffle the deck/add a new one, that analogy is actually different from expecting a differing dice roll after a previous
[2016-01-03 10:21:52] Yepachuchu : now if she expected a different die reoll result after multiple, she is missing something
[2016-01-03 10:22:48] tscha : you always shuffle the deck after a hand is finished in poker
[2016-01-03 10:22:58] Yepachuchu : that's quite an assumption now isn't it?
[2016-01-03 10:23:08] Yepachuchu : if he is taking profit, i'd say he improved his moves
[2016-01-03 10:24:08] tscha : what is an assumption? that the deck get's shuffled? :D
[2016-01-03 10:24:36] gustavo7 : of course past performance yada but time related moves are a thong in my book
[2016-01-03 10:24:49] gustavo7 : *thing
[2016-01-03 10:26:20] gustavo7 : in stock markets Tuesday is the statistically most bullish day
[2016-01-03 10:27:46] gustavo7 : and even if it's self fulfilling prophecy why trade against it
[2016-01-03 10:30:07] tscha : 1) the poker analogy is exactly the same as the dieroll. in both cases, you assume that relations exist in outcomes which are unrelated, and 2) he didn't say "before settlement, price usually rises" or "before settlement, price often drops" or "before settlement, price has huge volatility" .... he said that before settlement, price "tends to move against his position", meaning that the market reacts to the net position of his bitmex account, which is ridiculous, no matter how much you defend it ;)
[2016-01-03 10:30:48] tscha : the market doesn't care if you are -4000 or +4000 on futures
[2016-01-03 10:31:08] tscha : so you shouldn't trade based on this information
[2016-01-03 10:32:31] gustavo7 : I'm gonna re-short after settlement, not only because it still can't break 440 but also I witnessed quite a few late Sunday dumps
[2016-01-03 10:38:45] gustavo7 : my position isn't exactly how the majority of the market might expect it
[2016-01-03 10:40:53] gustavo7 : I shorted 11 days in a row now and each settle was a small profit, myself can't believe I didn't get caught in the chop
[2016-01-03 11:38:55] tscha : sledger forget his bid, didnt see the price dropping :)
[2016-01-03 11:42:02] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 200 @ 430.27
[2016-01-03 11:45:44] tscha : free money
[2016-01-03 11:48:12] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 13 @ 430.05
[2016-01-03 11:59:06] tscha : futures worth 500 bitcoin open interest = 215 dollar settlement fee ~ 1 lapdance for arthur
[2016-01-03 11:59:35] tscha : maybe two in HK
[2016-01-03 12:01:26] rapidtrades : tscha: did u change ur username
[2016-01-03 12:01:56] tscha : rapidtrades: no it's still the same
[2016-01-03 12:02:11] rapidtrades : it says tscha
[2016-01-03 12:02:20] tscha : correct
[2016-01-03 12:02:29] rapidtrades : before was tschabalabalablablaturdudud
[2016-01-03 12:02:33] tscha : was it different before?
[2016-01-03 12:02:42] tscha : really? didn't notice lol
[2016-01-03 12:11:34] jesperf : rapidtrades: I think you confuse him with TschavaTschigger
[2016-01-03 12:11:46] rapidtrades : it's the same guy
[2016-01-03 12:12:23] Yepachuchu : long and short then?
[2016-01-03 12:12:46] Yepachuchu : or two margins vs isolating?
[2016-01-03 12:13:30] rapidtrades : idk what he's doing...he was always an odd ball
[2016-01-03 12:14:13] Yepachuchu : i know of someone who mentioned two bitmex accounts for margin trading, and i've wondered what he was playing at but haven't really sat and thought it out, been too busy
[2016-01-03 12:23:04] tscha : i'm not TschavaTschigger
[2016-01-03 12:23:10] tscha : but I heard he is extremely smart
[2016-01-03 12:34:12] jesperf : :cop:
[2016-01-03 13:01:30] rapidtrades : priices look extremely weak
[2016-01-03 13:17:39] gustavo7 : hugging that 430/2800
[2016-01-03 13:18:11] Chronuslll : Uh oh
[2016-01-03 13:27:07] gustavo7 : lol 85k offer
[2016-01-03 13:27:14] Yepachuchu : right?
[2016-01-03 13:32:04] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1 @ 427.98
[2016-01-03 13:32:04] REKT : Big whale detected
[2016-01-03 13:32:14] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 12 @ 432.42
[2016-01-03 13:32:44] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 3162 @ 430.87
[2016-01-03 13:33:34] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 30 @ 426.19
[2016-01-03 13:33:54] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 3000 @ 425.24
[2016-01-03 13:33:54] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 10 @ 430.06
[2016-01-03 13:34:24] gustavo7 : sunday dump told ya
[2016-01-03 13:37:59] habibi : flashing a big order many times on order book is considered as manipulation ! :)
[2016-01-03 13:38:15] tscha : habibi: hahaha
[2016-01-03 13:38:19] tscha : habibi: welcome to bitcoin
[2016-01-03 13:38:26] Yepachuchu : lmao
[2016-01-03 13:40:25] sleger : habibi: flashing means you dont have a chance to take it, did you want to take it ?
[2016-01-03 13:41:15] habibi : nope
[2016-01-03 13:41:21] habibi : lets see how down we can go
[2016-01-03 13:43:33] sleger : is putting 2 orders of 41.5k also manipulation ?
[2016-01-03 13:43:55] habibi : sleger: u know that i am right?
[2016-01-03 13:44:09] sleger : no
[2016-01-03 13:46:31] gustavo7 : eh looks like sideways
[2016-01-03 13:46:49] habibi : nah
[2016-01-03 13:47:09] Chronuslll : More Dump
[2016-01-03 14:06:42] Chronuslll : MM Holding down
[2016-01-03 14:08:22] Chronuslll : Move down a bit more if you may MM
[2016-01-03 14:28:16] jung1 : have you seen "The Big Short"?
[2016-01-03 14:28:42] rapidtrades : i heard it's shit
[2016-01-03 14:28:54] habibi : didnt see it but if rapid says its bad
[2016-01-03 14:28:56] habibi : i am gonna watch it
[2016-01-03 14:29:52] drizzyjoe : Chronuslll: or some just trading lol
[2016-01-03 14:31:09] jung1 : hehe
[2016-01-03 14:31:15] jung1 : yeah Its quite good
[2016-01-03 14:31:33] jung1 : you can find it on piratebay
[2016-01-03 14:35:56] habibi : jung1: są już polskie napisy :)?
[2016-01-03 14:38:19] jung1 : jakieś chujowa na opensubtitles, ale strasznie wybrakowane. nawet angielskich dobrych nie znalazłem
[2016-01-03 14:42:16] JDUB99 : who is running the bots whose orders instantly disappear?
[2016-01-03 14:44:57] sleger : how do you know about them if they "instantly" disappear ?
[2016-01-03 14:47:09] Yepachuchu : lmao
[2016-01-03 14:47:18] Yepachuchu : what is cancel all?
[2016-01-03 14:48:17] tscha : Yepachuchu: cancel all orders?
[2016-01-03 14:49:40] JDUB99 : I see it, and I buy it, and it disappears
[2016-01-03 14:49:53] JDUB99 : who can instantly cancel the moment I put in my limit order？
[2016-01-03 14:50:16] tscha : JDUB99: seems like you bought the orders? look at your trade history
[2016-01-03 14:50:20] tscha : otherwise just bad luck
[2016-01-03 14:50:47] JDUB99 : I bought 17, there were 50, and they instantly disappeared
[2016-01-03 14:50:59] JDUB99 : and i only got one
[2016-01-03 14:51:00] tscha : bad luck then
[2016-01-03 14:51:33] JDUB99 : I'll bet if i tried it again, it would instantly disappear
[2016-01-03 14:51:55] tscha : there is no way to frontrun the system. except you are doing your trades over third-party-software.
[2016-01-03 14:52:11] tscha : (this would still not mean the system is being frontrun, but your trades are)
[2016-01-03 14:52:59] JDUB99 : yah i wouldnt think anyone would be front running me....theyd have tobe on server side right?
[2016-01-03 14:53:20] tscha : tobe?
[2016-01-03 14:53:39] tscha : all operations in the orderbook are atomic, you can't frontrun them
[2016-01-03 14:54:22] JDUB99 : super bad luck?
[2016-01-03 14:54:30] JDUB99 : i'll keep trying.... see if it happens again
[2016-01-03 14:54:36] BitMEX_Wally : JDUB99: I see you put a buy order in for 17 of XBU7D at 430.05
[2016-01-03 14:54:45] JDUB99 : yea that one went through
[2016-01-03 14:54:53] JDUB99 : the ones before it, evaporated on me
[2016-01-03 14:54:53] BitMEX_Wally : At the time the offer was 1 contract at 430.00
[2016-01-03 14:55:03] BitMEX_Wally : There was 50 at 430.06
[2016-01-03 14:55:12] JDUB99 : like the one were I bought 1, but ordered several
[2016-01-03 14:55:26] BitMEX_Wally : The order for 17 only had 1 filled
[2016-01-03 14:57:05] JDUB99 : I could've sworn there was a stack of 50 at 430.05
[2016-01-03 14:57:18] JDUB99 : which is when I put my order in
[2016-01-03 14:57:32] j8 : sometimes i get bad performance / delayed data if i haven't refreshed in a while
[2016-01-03 14:57:47] JDUB99 : maybe...
[2016-01-03 15:01:17] BitMEX_Wally : JDUB99: Yeah I see that offer of 50 at 430.04. It was cancelled at 2016.01.03 14:35:03.995694000
[2016-01-03 15:01:26] BitMEX_Wally : You submitted your buy order at 2016.01.03 14:35:25.670628000
[2016-01-03 15:01:56] tscha : Sherlock Wally solved the case
[2016-01-03 15:02:16] JDUB99 : yea great logging
[2016-01-03 15:02:34] JDUB99 : make sure no frontrunners here
[2016-01-03 15:02:38] j8 : BitMEX_Wally: i'm trying to understand why my Withdrawable margin is quite a bit less than Available margin.. the tooltip doesn't make sense as the difference is a lot more than my unrealised PNL
[2016-01-03 15:03:06] BitMEX_Wally : There is a full breakdown here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2016-01-03 15:03:53] j8 : yeah that's what i'm looking at
[2016-01-03 15:05:56] BitMEX_Wally : j8: Ok I think the difference your seeing is due to `targetMargin` on XBU positions
[2016-01-03 15:06:19] BitMEX_Wally : Basically it is 30% initial margin and 20% maintenance margin, but if you still have that 10% there we do not let you withdraw it
[2016-01-03 15:06:36] BitMEX_Wally : But you can re-leverage it
[2016-01-03 15:07:19] BitMEX_Wally : The idea is that you cannot withdraw your margin so your are 1 cent away from a margin call. To borrow a chess metaphor, you cannot put yourself in check
[2016-01-03 15:08:44] j8 : yeah that's sort of what I figured, it's definitely not clear though. and, isn't it just as bad if it can be releveraged?
[2016-01-03 15:09:13] j8 : like if i put it in an isolated margin position
[2016-01-03 15:11:22] BitMEX_Wally : j8: Good point, we'll have a chat internally about it
[2016-01-03 15:11:41] BitMEX_Wally : We can either scrap it or move it to cover available margin too
[2016-01-03 15:15:31] j8 : cool, yeah it all seems a bit complicated, for not much benefit
[2016-01-03 15:21:01] j8 : whatever protection holding the Session Margin provides is bypassed if you trade right when the session is about to change
[2016-01-03 15:21:40] j8 : and Unrealised Profit needs a new name :)
[2016-01-03 15:23:43] sleger : habibi: took your position finally ?
[2016-01-03 15:24:11] habibi : sleger: nah i am in short all time
[2016-01-03 15:27:27] sleger : thats what i meant, the 80k order got filled now
[2016-01-03 15:39:54] justinlooking : ping
[2016-01-03 15:40:16] tscha : pong
[2016-01-03 15:57:52] sleger : habibi: Dont worry, I'll sell you back your bitcoins a bit higher ;)
[2016-01-03 15:59:45] justinlooking : feeling moonish slege?
[2016-01-03 16:01:01] habibi : so lets see
[2016-01-03 16:07:04] sleger : isnt lot of fiat supposed to hit the exchanges tomorrow ?
[2016-01-03 16:07:44] rapidtrades : no
[2016-01-03 16:08:35] sleger : so it means yes.
[2016-01-03 16:11:14] habibi : see u tomorrow then lel
[2016-01-03 16:12:57] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1800 @ 424.87
[2016-01-03 16:13:27] habibi : looks like sleger is trying to close position now
[2016-01-03 16:13:36] habibi : putting a scare buy wall
[2016-01-03 16:13:52] sleger : habibi: what you're saying doesnt make any sense
[2016-01-03 16:14:02] sleger : I cant close a long by putting a bid wall
[2016-01-03 16:14:26] habibi : u can make people buy in front like u did with two sell walls:p
[2016-01-03 16:14:59] sleger : I did not put any sell wall
[2016-01-03 16:15:12] habibi : ok, nvm then :)
[2016-01-03 16:15:54] rapidtrades : what's with these walls?
[2016-01-03 16:16:23] sleger : it's normal people trading
[2016-01-03 16:16:48] sleger : dont worry about it
[2016-01-03 16:20:48] rapidtrades : ''normal''
[2016-01-03 16:21:21] sleger : as in regular
[2016-01-03 16:32:07] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 35704 @ 428.61 <b>MEGA-REKT</b>
[2016-01-03 16:32:07] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 2100 @ 428.73
[2016-01-03 16:32:48] HowDoge : wow thats a nice liquidation
[2016-01-03 16:34:51] sleger : dine
[2016-01-03 16:34:52] sleger : done
[2016-01-03 16:38:01] rapidtrades : what are u doing?
[2016-01-03 16:38:20] sleger : buying the liquidation orders of course
[2016-01-03 16:38:30] rapidtrades : why?
[2016-01-03 16:38:37] sleger : to make money of course
[2016-01-03 16:38:44] rapidtrades : ....
[2016-01-03 16:39:07] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 25 @ 423.96
[2016-01-03 16:39:55] rapidtrades : don't understand...what's the benefit of buying LIQs here over longing that same amount on a bigger exchange
[2016-01-03 16:40:18] rapidtrades : now you're stuck with 80k u can't close?
[2016-01-03 16:40:27] REKT : Liquidated long on XBTM16: Sell 344 @ 582.01
[2016-01-03 16:40:29] habibi : he wont die coz of that :)
[2016-01-03 16:40:37] REKT : Abandon the ship
[2016-01-03 16:40:37] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 2799 @ 423.01
[2016-01-03 16:41:24] sleger : rapidtrades: I did not expect you to understand :p
[2016-01-03 16:46:07] rapidtrades : prick
[2016-01-03 17:01:06] justinlooking : lol feed the love
[2016-01-03 17:02:17] Swedishnut : :) Lion King Song "Can You Feel The Love Tonight" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnJkWXNswcU
[2016-01-03 17:10:12] laisee : black-eyed peas: "where is the love?"
[2016-01-03 17:13:39] itmikeyg : whats going on bruh?
[2016-01-03 19:18:07] tscha : massive dump
[2016-01-03 19:18:18] habibi : wher?
[2016-01-03 19:18:55] tscha : respect to finex supp
[2016-01-03 19:26:58] tscha : well, they cant hold it
[2016-01-03 19:28:10] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1400 @ 423.84
[2016-01-03 19:33:24] tscha : goblin town incoming
[2016-01-03 19:37:20] jung1 : anyone is comming to http://blockchainlondon.com/ ?
[2016-01-03 19:38:51] tscha : if I get a nice startup-idea in the next 10 days, maybe
[2016-01-03 19:51:17] jung1 : good luck
[2016-01-03 19:55:09] tscha : i'll just need a team... do you have time+money? @jung1
[2016-01-03 19:55:24] tscha : maybe rapid wants in too
[2016-01-03 19:55:47] tscha : rapid = in charge of risk management
[2016-01-03 19:56:28] jung1 : so you dont have idea, team, time and money?
[2016-01-03 19:56:39] jung1 : sounds like perfeect sartup to invst in!
[2016-01-03 19:59:23] tscha : 100 btc sold at 422.00 @ finex