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[2015-12-29 16:07:52] sleger : but yes read arthur's blog on xbt vs xbu it is quite clear
[2015-12-29 16:08:01] sleger : although I dont agree with the conclusions
[2015-12-29 16:08:14] BitMEX_Arthur : What do you find issue with?
[2015-12-29 16:08:42] BitMEX_Arthur : Unless you don't want to share because it's your secret sauce :)
[2015-12-29 16:08:47] sleger : I'd rather not explain
[2015-12-29 16:08:50] BitMEX_Arthur : haha
[2015-12-29 16:08:52] BitMEX_Arthur : thought so
[2015-12-29 16:09:40] sleger : BitMEX_Arthur: when you say "One chain is clearly better than the other depending on your view of future XBTUSD price"
[2015-12-29 16:10:17] sleger : if you're bullish btcusd, spot is 450 and xbt24h trades at 500, do you still want to buy it ?
[2015-12-29 16:10:30] sleger : 12h before settlement
[2015-12-29 16:14:12] billyboy402 : if you buy 10,000 ( 52 BTC worht ) $520 aand it goes to $1000 . you only make 48 BTC profit ,,,, if you ......... If you buy 250 contracts @ OKC for $475 you make 27 BTC profit but if it drops it a differnt sorry
[2015-12-29 16:14:33] BitMEX_Arthur : sleger: No but i'm an arb guy
[2015-12-29 16:14:37] BitMEX_Arthur : I would sell fut and buy spot
[2015-12-29 16:14:45] rapidtrades : the problem with profiting from the premium is clawback
[2015-12-29 16:14:46] SnackyCoins : if i'm bullish and 24h as a $50 premium... time to stop being bullish lol
[2015-12-29 16:15:02] habibi : rapidtrades: where u see clawback
[2015-12-29 16:15:03] habibi : wheeere
[2015-12-29 16:15:24] sleger : BitMEX_Arthur: but if you're very bullish, spot is 450 and xbt24h ask is 451, then you may buy though ?
[2015-12-29 16:15:29] habibi : only when 15 minutes candles spikes 20+ down/up u can see it
[2015-12-29 16:16:01] BitMEX_Arthur : as I said that's just not my style
[2015-12-29 16:16:24] BitMEX_Sam : @everyone I've deployed a round of mobile optimizations, you should see improved performance on your phone if you're using it to trade.
[2015-12-29 16:16:26] BitMEX_Arthur : I'm an arb guy no matter how bullish I am i wouldn't pay that kind of premium unless i really knew something the market didn't
[2015-12-29 16:16:31] rapidtrades : it's still a huge risk for hedging or arbing...one large clawback and you could lose most of your profits
[2015-12-29 16:16:57] BitMEX_Arthur : rapidtrades: Clawback is a risk but the only reason 24H trades so crazy is because of 100x leveage
[2015-12-29 16:17:11] billyboy402 : BitMEX_Sam: thanks , i have notice the mobile is looking better
[2015-12-29 16:17:14] sleger : rapidtrades: it's a zero sum game, you can profit from clawback
[2015-12-29 16:17:14] rapidtrades : I don't agree with that
[2015-12-29 16:17:17] BitMEX_Arthur : and with 100x leverage, the system we have in place is necessary to ensure we continue as an exchange
[2015-12-29 16:17:33] rapidtrades : We still see clawback on okc with 20/1 lev
[2015-12-29 16:17:58] habibi : werent u the one who was yelling that okc is much better than here coz they market close and no clowback?
[2015-12-29 16:18:01] BitMEX_Arthur : rapidtrades: If you have some way to margin 100x leverage futures on the most volatile currency in the world where there is no clawbacks or forced position closing please let me know
[2015-12-29 16:18:21] billyboy402 : is there a reason why there no daily XBU with 100x , so we can buy XBT ..... and sell XBU
[2015-12-29 16:18:30] sleger : BitMEX_Arthur: there is : run a ponzi
[2015-12-29 16:18:33] rapidtrades : the only reason we haven't seen a major fuckup from clawback is that bitcoin has been more or less range-bound for the past few years...
[2015-12-29 16:18:52] BitMEX_Arthur : billyboy402: Because XBU is suitable for hedging not speculating
[2015-12-29 16:18:58] BitMEX_Arthur : so it kind of defeats the purpose
[2015-12-29 16:19:14] rapidtrades : once you see prices go 2X or 3x up or down, you will get that one runaway move that never comes back
[2015-12-29 16:19:23] rapidtrades : so far all of then retraces enough
[2015-12-29 16:19:30] habibi : u know that u can still make great money on that?
[2015-12-29 16:19:33] sleger : billyboy402: real answer is that bitmex guarantees settlement (no clawback) so they dont want to take too much risk
[2015-12-29 16:19:37] billyboy402 : but if you thibnk the market is going down , isnt it better to trade XBU ?
[2015-12-29 16:19:51] BitMEX_Arthur : billyboy402: Yes
[2015-12-29 16:19:51] rapidtrades : huge outlier risk with clawback imo...not just here but on okc as well
[2015-12-29 16:20:45] sleger : yes, go trade xbu : 15 points spread now :p
[2015-12-29 16:20:46] billyboy402 : yea short on okc and have the risk or cawback
[2015-12-29 16:21:53] billyboy402 : yea you cant trade XBU . there heaps of open order some time there only 1 cent spread , but no one it taking any orders
[2015-12-29 16:22:35] billyboy402 : the different in fees and commsion is huge m so no one is bother to take ,
[2015-12-29 16:23:08] billyboy402 : then those fucken bots front run you on every time lol
[2015-12-29 16:24:27] rapidtrades : time for me to take a small vacation until jan 3 imo...forex is shit atm, spiking up/down
[2015-12-29 16:24:39] sleger : XBU: if you take and settle that's 0.5% commission per week, so if you want to hedge your btc for a month you have lost 2% already, 23% after a year. Just use it as a short term hedge
[2015-12-29 16:24:59] sleger : rapidtrades: you still havent told us where you trade forex ?
[2015-12-29 16:25:08] rapidtrades : yeah agree, duration is a major problem with xbu right now
[2015-12-29 16:26:12] rapidtrades : maybe if wil be worth ir if we get some premium back
[2015-12-29 16:27:11] rapidtrades : if u have 3 or 6 months there will definitely be some premium in there, it could reduce the impact of the fees or eliminate them completely
[2015-12-29 16:48:55] billyboy402 : any way to get tradeblock price alarms on my IOS phone ?
[2015-12-29 16:49:36] BitMEX_Sam : I haven't seen any for XBX specifically, but you could set one up for bitfinex or coinbase using existing apps
[2015-12-29 16:50:28] billyboy402 : yea that what i currenly have ,
[2015-12-29 17:12:15] Swedishnut : 2015 appears to be the year of nothing grew but Bitcoin :P 2016 is poised for more traditional losses and greater continued growth of Crypto as it eats away the fake printer cash that is burned at the alter of credit to pay for mismanaged government actions. The money creation is slipping away from Central Bankers and eventually they will break.
[2015-12-29 17:14:02] arbitrage001 : doesnt mean central bankers wont pull the rest of us down with them first
[2015-12-29 17:15:47] Swedishnut : at least we have had this much warning to prep for their losses which is yes directly tied to many of if not all our current well being. But if you see a planet destroying comet with 100% certainty of destruction you build a rocket and leave the planet
[2015-12-29 17:15:48] TschavaTschigger : Swedishnut: every year is the year of bitcoin ;) and every year traditional "old" banks are supposed to fail
[2015-12-29 17:17:32] Swedishnut : Well one year they will :) and I'm glad we have had 5+ years of a working alternative.
[2015-12-29 17:20:44] Swedishnut : also we have seen a lot of new growth and awareness. I'm sure there will be a new found surge of interest in January from new blood and old minds
[2015-12-29 17:23:04] TschavaTschigger : if banks implement blockchain technology in the right way, it could take a huge part of the incentives for switching to bitcoin. for example issuing fiat over blockchain, meaning 24/7 transfers with lower transaction cost for customers (while banks still profit due to huge cost saving in infrastructure)
[2015-12-29 17:23:13] TschavaTschigger : it's ironic that the bitcoin protocol could actually kill bitcoin
[2015-12-29 17:24:41] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 9592 @ 430.96
[2015-12-29 17:25:01] Swedishnut : true too but they would need to be accountable though and the money supply would be honest. that would be the cost
[2015-12-29 17:25:44] TschavaTschigger : why would the money supply be honest? this is just the way it is coded in the bitcoin protocol. doesn't have to be the case in another implementation
[2015-12-29 17:26:45] Swedishnut : ultimately BTC fights corruption if left in the public of the globe, Yes if BTC were flattened and restarted by central banks with fresh control over the network it would be nothing different than we have today
[2015-12-29 17:29:55] TschavaTschigger : I am actually very sure this will be the case in the next 5-10 years. Blockchain is #1 priority in the r&d department of every single major bank. They have tenths of billions to spend, while we have a few dozen developers who refuse to talk with each other.
[2015-12-29 17:31:32] TschavaTschigger : besides, banks have a high influence on political decisions. this is a very important factor many people often forget.
[2015-12-29 17:46:18] Swedishnut : Banks though have lost the trust of the people. So their influence mars trust.
[2015-12-29 17:47:43] TschavaTschigger : still, "banks have a high influence on political decisions", no matter if the public has trust in them or not
[2015-12-29 17:49:37] Swedishnut : true that is why it is imperative to strip money creation from the power of government. Just like religion cannot be forced down someone's throat neither should someone's "Monopoly Money".
[2015-12-29 17:50:12] TschavaTschigger : they play a major role in the legislation process, and they will also play a major role when it comes about blockchain/cryptocurrencies legislation. and guess who will profit from those laws.
[2015-12-29 17:51:26] TschavaTschigger : Swedishnut: of course.. i totally agree with you ;) I am on your side ;) just saying that it's not as easy as many people think. I hope that bitcoin suceeds, but I am not so sure.
[2015-12-29 17:52:42] Swedishnut : Thus it is blatant corruption to keep profits to spend holding their position in power. Thus maybe it comes down to block-chain enabled politics in public forums. :) I also agree with your arguements too. feels good to be able to see both outcomes and still have hope for the most positive in the face of the wall of institutional false value creation in fiat
[2015-12-29 17:54:03] Swedishnut : Bitmex is the Best :)
[2015-12-29 17:54:39] TschavaTschigger : the key factor will be the awareness of the banks, how fast they react. if they react fast, it will be the end of btc. Today, nobody would care if bitcoin gets banned. Sadly, for 99.99% of the people, bitcoin is some weird internet money for criminals. But if major banks/politicians wait too long and people get more awareness, a ban might be harder to enforce.
[2015-12-29 17:57:56] Swedishnut : once something is banned just like the story of Cannabis it will find its way back to the light and cure the over medicated fiat market with one globe connected with one payment protocol and then we can start adding more planets :P
[2015-12-29 17:58:27] TschavaTschigger : lol
[2015-12-29 18:03:14] macios15 : 6h sar i sight
[2015-12-29 18:03:45] habibi : 7d again almost discount
[2015-12-29 18:04:49] TschavaTschigger : it's weird how low futures are atm, both 24H and 7D
[2015-12-29 18:05:19] habibi : too many shorts opened at 430-428
[2015-12-29 18:05:21] habibi : let get them closed
[2015-12-29 18:07:16] rapidtrades : I've been trying to long the 24h all day, noone was hitting the bids
[2015-12-29 18:08:25] TschavaTschigger : someone desperately wants to get rid of 5k 24H it seems
[2015-12-29 18:09:08] TschavaTschigger : or manipulate mark price
[2015-12-29 18:09:41] mwalshe99 : TschavaTschigger: not you trying to sell? :)
[2015-12-29 18:09:57] TschavaTschigger : mwalshe99: nope
[2015-12-29 18:16:38] Swedishnut : I gotta got get a generator for my brother. See ya in a bit :) Truck tax :P
[2015-12-29 18:18:32] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1051 @ 432.65
[2015-12-29 18:24:12] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Sam: is there a way to hide the chart controls? they are in the way of the bottom indicator http://imgur.com/GPlO71z
[2015-12-29 18:24:32] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 3634 @ 431.27
[2015-12-29 18:30:10] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Sam: a more extreme example: http://imgur.com/o2dbqvB
[2015-12-29 18:32:32] BitMEX_Sam : TschavaTschigger: Hmm, that's the navigator control. There should be a way to disable it in the app but I can't find it
[2015-12-29 18:33:07] BitMEX_Sam : I'll see if I can add a custom rt-click option like we did with the order/positions display
[2015-12-29 18:33:20] zanza : TschavaTschigger: are you trading XBU now ?
[2015-12-29 18:33:26] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Sam: that wouldbe nice. not urgent though.. just next time you are working on it
[2015-12-29 18:33:37] TschavaTschigger : zanza: not yet. thinking about it though. why?
[2015-12-29 18:51:32] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1500 @ 430.56
[2015-12-29 18:53:28] TschavaTschigger : zanza: why are you asking?
[2015-12-29 18:53:53] zanza : TschavaTschigger: dont you run a a bot?
[2015-12-29 18:54:03] zanza : it gives the biggest MM payout
[2015-12-29 18:54:34] TschavaTschigger : zanza: yes, I know. I don't have much time atm though, will tackle XBU in january when the new api goes live.
[2015-12-29 18:54:50] sleger : new API ?
[2015-12-29 18:55:08] TschavaTschigger : well, new order methods
[2015-12-29 18:55:14] sleger : okh ok
[2015-12-29 19:01:44] justinlooking : TschavaTschigger: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/3293f01f731ee90b7a75
[2015-12-29 19:04:13] TschavaTschigger : justinlooking: cool. how can I add this? (attention, noob-alert)
[2015-12-29 19:05:02] justinlooking : i wouldn't recommend using it regularly
[2015-12-29 19:07:05] justinlooking : u can run adhoc in browser's console, but would recommend full reload afterwards
[2015-12-29 19:08:05] TschavaTschigger : justinlooking: sweet, thanks dude
[2015-12-29 19:08:32] TschavaTschigger : just learned there is a javascript console... professional web developer TschavaTschigger
[2015-12-29 19:13:52] laisee : TschavaTschigger: > it was hidden in plain view ;-)
[2015-12-29 19:21:33] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 95 @ 429.51
[2015-12-29 19:21:33] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 100 @ 429.60
[2015-12-29 19:53:40] jung1 : chart looks nice
[2015-12-29 19:53:50] jung1 : looks like 450
[2015-12-29 20:42:54] TschavaTschigger : never in my life have I been able to read any market direction out of a chart.. seems as I am just not gifted :-(
[2015-12-29 20:43:43] jung1 : so you throw a coin?
[2015-12-29 20:46:50] lockhedge : i neither can predict the future based on market data
[2015-12-29 20:47:06] jung1 : btw now It could be good time to go short on FACTOM
[2015-12-29 20:47:12] jung1 : entry hype is over
[2015-12-29 20:47:16] lockhedge : (from the past)
[2015-12-29 20:49:54] TschavaTschigger : jung1: nope. but I try to come up with profitable strategies that do not depend on me magically predicting the future
[2015-12-29 20:50:14] jung1 : fo example?
[2015-12-29 21:00:28] justinlooking : bullish chat messages from rapid :D
[2015-12-29 21:01:47] jung1 : +1
[2015-12-29 21:37:27] TschavaTschigger : my google notification icone is gone, I kept searching in settings for like 20 minutes to bring it back
[2015-12-29 21:37:39] TschavaTschigger : turns out google removed it :D
[2015-12-29 23:25:43] jung1 : okcoin break 2830
[2015-12-29 23:26:57] TschavaTschigger : moontime it seems
[2015-12-29 23:28:56] jung1 : yeah looks good
[2015-12-29 23:30:52] jung1 : 2840
[2015-12-29 23:31:08] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 2848 @ 433.25
[2015-12-29 23:36:47] habibi : 7d cheap if we break out up
[2015-12-29 23:39:11] jung1 : wkuriwające są te boty. też sobie musze chyba zmontować jakiegoś
[2015-12-29 23:41:46] cataquil : które boty zostały dokonane ?
[2015-12-29 23:42:21] jung1 : jak dajesz oferte bid/ask to sie pojawiają automatycznie nowe
[2015-12-29 23:45:22] cataquil : jak ten bot stawia niewielką ilość kontraktów 1 kleszcza przed 2000 zamówień
[2015-12-29 23:51:37] cataquil : prawdopodobnie zbyt wiele marketmakers i hedgers tutaj i nie dość przedsiębiorców . może dlatego, że cena bitcoin płaskim .
[2015-12-29 23:52:23] jung1 : roboty zabierają pracę ludziom
[2015-12-29 23:52:34] jung1 : to sie nie godzi
[2015-12-29 23:54:38] jung1 : okcoin 2450
[2015-12-29 23:55:18] cataquil : jest ok , jeśli dają nam pieniądze
[2015-12-29 23:56:10] cataquil : nie wiem, jak wiele boty są animatorami rynku lub istnieją techniczne boty analizy
[2015-12-29 23:56:21] habibi : cataquil: po jakiemu Ty piszesz ;p?
[2015-12-29 23:58:08] cataquil : translate bot
[2015-12-29 23:58:36] sleger : istnieją nie pracę są rynku bitcoin !
[2015-12-29 23:58:45] micmix : jung1: you can't find the bots, especially market maker bots
[2015-12-29 23:58:53] sleger : copy paste bot I have :))
[2015-12-29 23:59:19] micmix : placing manual bids/asks will not work unless you place them in the middle of the spread
[2015-12-29 23:59:51] cataquil : I am long traders gut. I got so fed up with bots jumping my limit so I took a market order. Now I am up, lets see if target limit filled and I get makets fee on exit
[2015-12-30 00:00:45] jung1 : yeah looks like we're bullish again
[2015-12-30 00:00:56] micmix : yes, that's the best way if you trade manually, enter with market orders and place limits and stops to exit
[2015-12-30 00:01:12] sleger : you dont want lap-dancing-providing-settlement fees ?
[2015-12-30 00:01:39] cataquil : just like the matrix, a little human input and you get 7 worlds created, studied and destroyed....choice!
[2015-12-30 00:01:41] jung1 : look at 15min chart
[2015-12-30 00:01:52] jung1 : yep same
[2015-12-30 00:02:04] jung1 : Im kinda old fashion with this
[2015-12-30 00:02:33] jung1 : I can be mad on bots, chat on trollbox
[2015-12-30 00:03:08] jung1 : and drink chocolate milk
[2015-12-30 00:03:09] micmix : sleger: I don't like settlements in general, price jumps and settlement fees
[2015-12-30 00:03:49] micmix : my bot goes mostly flat before the settlement
[2015-12-30 00:04:57] micmix : jung1: sorry, just re-read what I posted earlier. I meant to say "you can't fight the bots" instead of "you can't find the bots" :-)
[2015-12-30 00:05:09] cataquil : jung1: hot chocolate, thanks for reminding me.
[2015-12-30 00:05:43] jung1 : micmix: +1
[2015-12-30 00:06:06] micmix : I drink hot chocolate too and it interferes with my typing
[2015-12-30 00:06:21] cataquil : interexchange arb bot is probably the best for lapdancing coin. do any dancers take bitcoin?
[2015-12-30 00:07:13] micmix : cataquil: they do but you have to wait for 6 confirmations :-)
[2015-12-30 00:07:22] cataquil : micmix: yeah I have pizza oil on my keyboard now.
[2015-12-30 00:08:05] jung1 : guys check also factom on polo
[2015-12-30 00:08:12] jung1 : good time to play short imo
[2015-12-30 00:08:15] cataquil : micmix: that could delay instant gratification
[2015-12-30 00:08:39] jung1 : could be same as with ethereum
[2015-12-30 00:08:47] cataquil : 434 wall
[2015-12-30 00:09:37] micmix : jung1: I'm running a shorting bot on polo, added factom yesterday
[2015-12-30 00:10:14] jung1 : shorting on polo is fun
[2015-12-30 00:11:38] habibi : whats the leverage there?
[2015-12-30 00:11:52] habibi : and shorting is in btc as well? or need to buy factom first?
[2015-12-30 00:12:05] micmix : BTW, nice to see some Polish here. My grandmother was Polish and I can understand it well enough but can't speak :-(
[2015-12-30 00:12:30] micmix : habibi: 2.5x leverage, no need to buy factom
[2015-12-30 00:13:03] micmix : you borrow factom and short, same as on finex
[2015-12-30 00:13:45] jung1 : we will teach you
[2015-12-30 00:14:02] jung1 : some polish
[2015-12-30 00:14:16] jung1 : you can start from coinformacje.pl
[2015-12-30 00:15:35] jung1 : habibi: and you have on polo several altcoins in margin. lot of fun
[2015-12-30 00:15:50] Skuffone : why does it auto cancel when i put in a close limit order
[2015-12-30 00:16:26] sleger : just put a regular limit order the other way
[2015-12-30 00:17:10] Skuffone : yeah ok - but just wondering why
[2015-12-30 00:17:47] micmix : habibi: shorting altcoins on polo was very profitable for me, you just have to play safe bc any altcoin can spike 5x at any time
[2015-12-30 00:18:37] micmix : habibi: need to have enough margin to avoid liquidation on those spiked
[2015-12-30 00:18:43] micmix : * spikes
[2015-12-30 00:18:58] jung1 : yeah sometimes is crazy there
[2015-12-30 00:19:21] habibi : micmix: yea all in all it will go down again
[2015-12-30 00:19:23] jung1 : its like pump&dump 2.0
[2015-12-30 00:19:29] habibi : so shorting fomo spikes is great option
[2015-12-30 00:19:36] cataquil : altcoins are the pinksheets
[2015-12-30 00:19:59] jung1 : you can feel there like in '13
[2015-12-30 00:20:05] jung1 : with all this altcoin madness
[2015-12-30 00:20:23] sleger : guys guys serious tip there I just made a fortune, buy the sleger coin .... you didnt hear from me
[2015-12-30 00:20:57] jung1 : got it
[2015-12-30 00:21:11] jung1 : but it still works on yobit
[2015-12-30 00:21:27] jung1 : new shitcoin every week
[2015-12-30 00:21:34] jung1 : random pumps
[2015-12-30 00:21:52] micmix : I would definitely buy the sleger coin! For 100btc I will even help to get it listed on cryptsy :-)
[2015-12-30 00:21:55] jung1 : and you can withrawal so far
[2015-12-30 00:22:30] TschavaTschigger : i'd prefer a rapidcoin.. wait, that's actually a cool name for a cryptocurrency
[2015-12-30 00:22:52] jung1 : well its not so hard to make coin
[2015-12-30 00:23:03] jung1 : add good marketing
[2015-12-30 00:23:05] Swedishnut : lol I would buy some Rapidcoin :)
[2015-12-30 00:23:10] TschavaTschigger : yeah, just change some parameters and go
[2015-12-30 00:23:13] jung1 : make a presale
[2015-12-30 00:24:09] sleger : rapidcoin the coin negatively correlated to all the others, and where owning 11 coins is the same as 14
[2015-12-30 00:24:27] jung1 : that make sense
[2015-12-30 00:25:03] jung1 : 420 coins will be ever create
[2015-12-30 00:27:56] TschavaTschigger : x-day-future price = 0.5/x
[2015-12-30 00:28:28] TschavaTschigger : god this chat
[2015-12-30 00:29:42] TschavaTschigger : can we fix the < without whitespace making the text cutoff? it should be clear it's not html code since there is no >
[2015-12-30 00:30:27] jung1 : &btc
[2015-12-30 00:30:33] jung1 : &btc;
[2015-12-30 00:30:50] TschavaTschigger : `is this code?`
[2015-12-30 00:31:04] TschavaTschigger : `thisshouldbecodetoo butnotthis
[2015-12-30 00:31:16] jung1 : <b>think so</b>
[2015-12-30 00:31:28] TschavaTschigger : oh yeah, "between" != "behind"
[2015-12-30 00:33:03] habibi : btw clawback is clawback but Sam said he is gonna to make dpe here more explained and anavailbe data with insurance fund and so
[2015-12-30 00:33:09] jung1 : 24 jun is quite cheap now imo. Im shure that we will hit ath in '16
[2015-12-30 00:33:27] habibi : jung1: take all ur money and go in
[2015-12-30 00:33:47] jung1 : thats the plan
[2015-12-30 00:33:49] habibi : easy "gettin into milions" faq for u
[2015-12-30 00:34:11] jung1 : "milionaires for dummies"
[2015-12-30 00:35:42] TschavaTschigger : hm, if insurance funds approaches zero, volume will go down I guess.. which makes it hard for the insurance fund to gain back value
[2015-12-30 00:37:42] sleger : which insurance fund ?
[2015-12-30 00:37:56] TschavaTschigger : my car insurance fund
[2015-12-30 00:38:48] sleger : they insure tata cars ?
[2015-12-30 00:39:27] TschavaTschigger : the insurance account arthur uses to pay the lapdance bills
[2015-12-30 00:40:40] sleger : for risk of broken bone ?
[2015-12-30 00:41:33] jung1 : dark coin had once idea of something called 'dark shield". It was fund run by developers to keep price
[2015-12-30 00:41:38] jung1 : but they failed
[2015-12-30 00:42:03] Swedishnut : shields break if they are not held up by 51% or more
[2015-12-30 01:29:16] cataquil : finally filled
[2015-12-30 01:29:48] cataquil : yippee makers fee haha!!
[2015-12-30 02:08:31] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 676 @ 433.52
[2015-12-30 02:08:41] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 300 @ 431.13
[2015-12-30 02:11:21] habibi : my orders are not shown
[2015-12-30 02:11:30] habibi : i mean marked on orderbook:(
[2015-12-30 02:14:28] Swedishnut : Were they hiding Behind a Bush Orders? Thanks to Monty Python https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifmRgQX82O4
[2015-12-30 02:19:31] BitMEX_Sam : Re: the chat, I have a new version in Testnet that uses Slack/GitHub style markdown instead of HTML
[2015-12-30 02:19:46] BitMEX_Sam : It's generally much easier to write and also fixes the `> 1` bug (without the space)
[2015-12-30 02:19:54] BitMEX_Sam : rather, the issue was with `<`
[2015-12-30 02:20:27] BitMEX_Sam : As before we have many new order types we are developing and will release shortly after the New Year.
[2015-12-30 02:21:13] TschavaTschigger : yeah, looked at the new features, pretty cool
[2015-12-30 02:23:49] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: thumbs up for markdown! much better than HTML tags
[2015-12-30 02:25:34] micmix : will try to use markdown creatively for the REKT bot :-)
[2015-12-30 02:39:22] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 80 @ 434.07
[2015-12-30 03:30:43] zanza : BitMEX_Sam: you should make an "I'm feeling lucky" order type
[2015-12-30 03:45:36] habibi : there is already zanza
[2015-12-30 03:45:42] habibi : its called isolated :)
[2015-12-30 04:22:19] zanza : heh
[2015-12-30 04:53:02] gaoMex : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-29/china-suspends-foreign-banks-fx-trading-offshore-yuan-spread-signals-massive-outflow
[2015-12-30 04:54:21] gaoMex : Disguised capital control. Bitcoin to go up.
[2015-12-30 04:55:21] kingscrown : https://twitter.com/kingscrownBTC/status/682062304322711554
[2015-12-30 05:02:23] zanza : affiliate master kingscrown
[2015-12-30 05:05:10] kingscrown : thanx man ;)
[2015-12-30 05:05:16] gaoMex : No ban function? @zanza
[2015-12-30 05:05:40] kingscrown : u can give 100% to mcdonalds or 10% to other user. whats better
[2015-12-30 05:06:12] kingscrown : @gaoMex why would we ban u?! we allow free speech
[2015-12-30 05:06:57] zanza : did yall like the new Star Wars?
[2015-12-30 05:07:02] gaoMex : BitMEX_Sam: No ban function?
[2015-12-30 05:07:38] micmix : kingscrown: you are doing it wrong if you are still on 10% referral bonus
[2015-12-30 05:07:50] kingscrown : i dont check SW
[2015-12-30 05:07:58] kingscrown : aka Star Wars
[2015-12-30 05:08:29] kingscrown : @micmix im at 15%, i just mean as a rule. Better to pass few coins to 3rd party than 100% to company
[2015-12-30 05:08:39] kingscrown : 14,50% or so to be exact
[2015-12-30 05:09:35] kingscrown : 14,30% - just checked :)
[2015-12-30 05:09:47] micmix : that's good, I'm half way to 20% but I only refer myself :-)
[2015-12-30 05:10:00] kingscrown : Prolly zanza is mad i bring liquidity here.. He would like less users ;)
[2015-12-30 05:11:43] babybaby : LOL we need people here, only lamers want us to shrink
[2015-12-30 05:12:37] micmix : well posting here will not help, everyone in this trollbox already registered :-)
[2015-12-30 05:13:33] kingscrown : True that =] I only repost my posts/tweets here. My blog is http://fuk.io
[2015-12-30 05:13:51] habibi : babybaby and kingscrown is the same guy, bad he talks to himself
[2015-12-30 05:14:24] micmix : lol I'm not visiting a site with that name
[2015-12-30 05:15:27] habibi : micmix: just look @ his great trades https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjSIsGfpfXw
[2015-12-30 05:16:14] habibi : and turn off music first*
[2015-12-30 05:16:56] micmix : I saw basic interface and closed it
[2015-12-30 05:17:06] kingscrown : @habibi show us your trades :)
[2015-12-30 05:18:06] habibi : http://scr.hu/9xvi/1cw00 not big ones but profitable:)
[2015-12-30 05:18:44] kingscrown : i like it!
[2015-12-30 05:19:24] kingscrown : good profits, very nice
[2015-12-30 05:20:27] kingscrown : and ys i understand u would want me to show 300% profits, but i never know when those happen. i start videos and trade. so far i never had any exciting recording profit. so yes u can call me lame :(
[2015-12-30 05:21:10] kingscrown : when recording i never get good luck to make a cool video
[2015-12-30 05:21:41] habibi : nah, just any bigger money, basically u lives from referals, all kinds of, u say people can actually earn some real money by going to ur ref-casino links, at best case u are liar
[2015-12-30 05:26:31] kingscrown : ok will ban all 69 referalls that i got to bitmex, we need less users and less liquidity. we need 0 referrals and 0 money in this exchange
[2015-12-30 05:32:18] habibi : whats ur refs total turnover btw?
[2015-12-30 05:32:58] kingscrown : 0 they suck. they only waste BW of this site :(
[2015-12-30 05:33:28] habibi : and for real :)?
[2015-12-30 07:40:55] chromaticcr : offshore CNY 6.6, pboc rate 6.4895....
[2015-12-30 07:45:57] laisee : feel the air escaping from CNY economic bubble ...
[2015-12-30 08:33:37] rapidtrades : that's only 2%
[2015-12-30 08:50:18] ethexio : Rip
[2015-12-30 08:57:00] rapidtrades : ?
[2015-12-30 09:02:10] ethexio : Rest in Peace
[2015-12-30 09:14:35] rapidtrades : I know what rip means...ffs
[2015-12-30 09:15:00] thehawthorne : rip does not mean rest in peace ffs
[2015-12-30 10:03:24] TschavaTschigger : yes it does mean... it comes from latin "requiescat in pace" what literally means "rest in peace"
[2015-12-30 10:09:32] laisee : Q.E.D.
[2015-12-30 10:11:08] SnackyCoins : rip in peace
[2015-12-30 10:35:24] ethexio : POST /api/v1/user/rapidtrades?peace=1
[2015-12-30 10:36:54] laisee : should that be a DELETE http verb instead?
[2015-12-30 10:37:52] gustavo7 : DIP delete in peace
[2015-12-30 11:31:12] Samirum : Hi! Guys i'm new here
[2015-12-30 11:35:15] TschavaTschigger : Samirum: hi
[2015-12-30 11:41:45] ethexio : laisee: reincarnation
[2015-12-30 11:52:24] laisee : ethexio: > only on the 3rd day ...
[2015-12-30 11:53:02] laisee : Samirum: > welcome.
[2015-12-30 11:57:59] sleger : close your longs on xbt24h now to save fee
[2015-12-30 12:00:48] laisee : bugger. 2 late to save 0.00287 in fees.
[2015-12-30 12:01:11] ethexio : Let it go
[2015-12-30 12:01:47] laisee : gotto know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em ...
[2015-12-30 12:05:24] gustavo7 : ugh no1 selling xbu
[2015-12-30 12:06:00] sleger : I can sell some @435 if y
[2015-12-30 12:06:08] sleger : ou want
[2015-12-30 12:06:26] ethexio : Selling cheap
[2015-12-30 12:06:43] gustavo7 : that spread man
[2015-12-30 12:08:14] sleger : gustavo7: not interested ?
[2015-12-30 12:08:57] gustavo7 : come just a little lower :)
[2015-12-30 12:09:23] sleger : there
[2015-12-30 12:10:57] gustavo7 : sleger: that wasnt you was it?
[2015-12-30 12:11:02] gustavo7 : 430 woot
[2015-12-30 12:12:08] ethexio : Oh you
[2015-12-30 12:12:17] ethexio : Rip
[2015-12-30 12:13:04] laisee : a $5 Rip, wow?
[2015-12-30 12:13:26] gustavo7 : right as i exit my hedge
[2015-12-30 12:13:46] gustavo7 : was gonna wrap up this year by going full fiat for tax reasons also
[2015-12-30 12:14:13] laisee : it's like someone is watching my 24H trades and dumping on other markets just to hurt me ... ;-)
[2015-12-30 12:15:48] gustavo7 : ugh is sstaff online?
[2015-12-30 12:16:32] gustavo7 : i used the withdraw all button while in no position, i lowered the fee tough, now a little something is showing as leftover in my margin
[2015-12-30 12:17:12] gustavo7 : all - 0.0001 fee = 0.0004 left, just a display bug?
[2015-12-30 12:18:15] sleger : Nice bug : I have the rencent trades xbth16 showing trades from xbu
[2015-12-30 12:30:29] TschavaTschigger : weird, xbth15 trades are shown correct for me
[2015-12-30 12:30:48] sleger : switching tabs fix
[2015-12-30 12:30:55] sleger : ed it
[2015-12-30 12:38:48] TschavaTschigger : you mean, switching tabs from XBU to XBT? ;)
[2015-12-30 12:40:29] BitMEX_Wally : sleger: I will see if I can re-create
[2015-12-30 12:41:49] sleger : TschavaTschigger: nono, I emailed a screenshot to support.
[2015-12-30 12:43:03] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 2700 @ 428.69
[2015-12-30 12:43:23] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 40 @ 431.31
[2015-12-30 12:47:03] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 166210 @ 427.82 <b>REKTosaurus</b>
[2015-12-30 12:47:07] justinlooking : holy shit
[2015-12-30 12:47:11] justinlooking : dpe incoming
[2015-12-30 12:48:00] TschavaTschigger : you think so? it takes really huge drops for dpe
[2015-12-30 12:48:46] TschavaTschigger : movements like that are not far/fast enough
[2015-12-30 12:49:30] JDUB99 : where can we see the current dpe?
[2015-12-30 12:49:55] manchstr_untd1 : wekp, that was my fucking position. god damnit
[2015-12-30 12:49:57] gustavo7 : i think i'm not the only one doing a end of year wash sale
[2015-12-30 12:50:33] TschavaTschigger : JDUB99: http://imgur.com/t3I71oq
[2015-12-30 12:51:02] JDUB99 : o nice! I see it
[2015-12-30 12:51:06] JDUB99 : thx vry much
[2015-12-30 12:53:35] justinlooking : manchstr_untd1: jeez ur 75% of open intrest
[2015-12-30 12:55:25] habibi : who da fuck is that risky
[2015-12-30 12:55:28] rapidtrades : well at least I'm long there so can't get r*ped
[2015-12-30 12:56:16] sleger : taking the 7D order or not :D
[2015-12-30 12:56:24] habibi : go for that
[2015-12-30 12:56:28] justinlooking : do it slege
[2015-12-30 12:56:29] justinlooking : free money
[2015-12-30 12:56:31] habibi : u need to loose some oney as well
[2015-12-30 12:56:41] sleger : yeah you guys are just afraid to get dpe lol
[2015-12-30 12:56:47] rapidtrades : how is it free money lol...finex is at $423
[2015-12-30 12:57:12] habibi : i dont care, have only 0.1 btc profit on 7d
[2015-12-30 12:57:28] sleger : rapidtrades: because we dont use bitfinex as index here in case you didnt know already...
[2015-12-30 12:58:40] sleger : ok gonna bite some 40k to sta
[2015-12-30 12:58:54] justinlooking : nom nom
[2015-12-30 12:59:06] manchstr_untd1 : jesus
[2015-12-30 12:59:15] manchstr_untd1 : hope u have better luck with that position than i did
[2015-12-30 12:59:23] sleger : I would buy everything BUT @bitmex_arthur I dont want to do more because of settlement
[2015-12-30 12:59:30] sleger : fees
[2015-12-30 12:59:57] manchstr_untd1 : of course now that it dipped and i got MC'd its gonna go moon
[2015-12-30 12:59:59] sleger : manchstr_untd1: oh that was yours and you got margin called ? Was it on isolate or total balance ?
[2015-12-30 13:00:08] manchstr_untd1 : total :/
[2015-12-30 13:00:17] sleger : sorry to hear that
[2015-12-30 13:00:33] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 4000 @ 423.90
[2015-12-30 13:00:33] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 100 @ 424.53
[2015-12-30 13:01:21] sleger : got 40k more :
[2015-12-30 13:01:27] habibi : yea
[2015-12-30 13:01:29] habibi : 4$ price upper
[2015-12-30 13:01:30] habibi : gj
[2015-12-30 13:01:31] habibi : :)
[2015-12-30 13:01:40] habibi : now lets loose some money sleger :p
[2015-12-30 13:02:32] justinlooking : $12 spread lol
[2015-12-30 13:02:41] sleger : habibi: we shall see : XBT7D 80527 422.23
[2015-12-30 13:02:59] chromaticcr : lol 7D
[2015-12-30 13:03:03] rapidtrades : now dump :)
[2015-12-30 13:03:13] habibi : sleger: yea lets wait, it can be just a bear trap
[2015-12-30 13:03:34] habibi : but next time u wanna do it
[2015-12-30 13:03:46] habibi : sell some pennys down the orderbook and look how liq order is moved down
[2015-12-30 13:04:09] sleger : yes I saw that it was following, but some people started eating it as well.
[2015-12-30 13:04:16] rapidtrades : transaction still not accepted wtf
[2015-12-30 13:04:20] sleger : Thanks for mentioning it though.
[2015-12-30 13:04:22] rapidtrades : getting tired of this shit
[2015-12-30 13:05:14] stevelim : wow that was some big ass margin call
[2015-12-30 13:05:57] sleger : I went from -40k to +80k so I got most of it.
[2015-12-30 13:06:27] chromaticcr : in BitMEX we have to place 0.1XBT of liquidity instead of a penny to MC ppl thou
[2015-12-30 13:07:12] rapidtrades : what can i do wtih a stuck transaction?
[2015-12-30 13:07:28] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: Send an email to support@bitmex.com
[2015-12-30 13:07:35] rapidtrades : BITCOIN
[2015-12-30 13:07:36] BitMEX_Wally : Is it a deposit or withdrawal?
[2015-12-30 13:07:42] habibi : see u sleger :p
[2015-12-30 13:07:43] rapidtrades : not here
[2015-12-30 13:07:59] habibi : oh another liquidation of rapid inc
[2015-12-30 13:08:01] habibi : lets see how big
[2015-12-30 13:08:06] BitMEX_Wally : Give us a link to a blockchain explorer then
[2015-12-30 13:08:14] BitMEX_Wally : We can advise
[2015-12-30 13:08:26] rapidtrades : http://block.oklink.com/tx/f9fe379dc69437bcb77ac082461bfdb2ff65666120b72f9c4b8045d83a9225d4
[2015-12-30 13:09:40] BitMEX_Wally : 616 bytes and 0.0002 fee, should be confirmed soon
[2015-12-30 13:09:57] sleger : why is he saying it's stuck
[2015-12-30 13:10:10] rapidtrades : it says ''not be accepted''
[2015-12-30 13:10:18] habibi : rapidtrades: everything gonna be ok
[2015-12-30 13:10:20] rapidtrades : also +30 mins now
[2015-12-30 13:10:20] wurstgelee : its not stuck its only not confirmed yet
[2015-12-30 13:10:25] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: https://bitcoinfees.github.io/misc/profile/
[2015-12-30 13:10:34] sleger : that's how bitcoin works my dear friend who knows nothing.
[2015-12-30 13:10:47] wurstgelee : "not be accepted" is a weird status description tho
[2015-12-30 13:10:59] rapidtrades : exactly
[2015-12-30 13:11:01] BitMEX_Wally : That transaction has 33,000 Satoshi per kB
[2015-12-30 13:11:27] rapidtrades : it usually says 0 confirmations no?
[2015-12-30 13:11:37] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: https://blockchain.info/tx/f9fe379dc69437bcb77ac082461bfdb2ff65666120b72f9c4b8045d83a9225d4
[2015-12-30 13:11:40] wurstgelee : all fine
[2015-12-30 13:11:54] rapidtrades : tnx
[2015-12-30 13:12:01] rapidtrades : f chinese miners
[2015-12-30 13:13:57] rapidtrades : last time this happened the amount never got confirmed and the BTC was ''returned'' to my wallet
[2015-12-30 13:15:44] habibi : coz u didnt use fee
[2015-12-30 13:15:46] habibi : 0
[2015-12-30 13:15:47] habibi : null
[2015-12-30 13:15:58] habibi : and dont blame miners, blame urself
[2015-12-30 13:17:15] rapidtrades : sleger are u pumping weekly atm?
[2015-12-30 13:17:28] justinlooking : i think it is a bot
[2015-12-30 13:17:40] rapidtrades : could be
[2015-12-30 13:17:53] habibi : its ...sleger pumping to dump into bot
[2015-12-30 13:32:59] rapidtrades : finally gone through...arb's f gone now
[2015-12-30 13:33:07] rapidtrades : tnx chinese miners
[2015-12-30 13:38:28] habibi : sleger: if case we go under 390
[2015-12-30 13:38:31] habibi : will u get liq?
[2015-12-30 13:39:44] billyboy402 : how do you see the comfirm withdraws ? do yu get a email with the Tix , ot in ur account history
[2015-12-30 13:47:46] BitMEX_Wally : billyboy402: You can see all deposits and withdrawals here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2015-12-30 13:47:55] habibi : sleger: [*]
[2015-12-30 13:48:07] BitMEX_Wally : We are currently processing withdrawals right now
[2015-12-30 13:48:33] billyboy402 : ok , yea i thought that today may nioit of been finish yet \
[2015-12-30 13:53:13] sleger : habibi: no : liq price < 1
[2015-12-30 13:53:19] sleger : 50
[2015-12-30 14:06:48] gustavo7 : BitMEX_Wally: ry for being away, did you cancel my withdraw because of what i reported?
[2015-12-30 14:07:27] BitMEX_Wally : gustavo7: Withdrawals are automatically cancelled after 30 minutes if they are not confirmed by email
[2015-12-30 14:07:28] BitMEX_Wally : Let me check your account
[2015-12-30 14:08:02] gustavo7 : oh welp, forgot about that
[2015-12-30 14:08:30] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, looks like it didn't get confirmed by email
[2015-12-30 14:10:32] gustavo7 : BitMEX_Wally: thx no prob i got the mail but i didnt check the mail client on my small laptop, and my phone mail is not configured for this adress
[2015-12-30 15:00:39] gustavo7 : chat down?
[2015-12-30 15:00:52] habibi : nah
[2015-12-30 15:01:08] gustavo7 : *crickets*
[2015-12-30 15:04:20] gustavo7 : fwiw this looks bad, take the 30min chart and go back before the big drop, the same elevation for a day or too before that drop
[2015-12-30 15:04:27] gustavo7 : just no momentum to go up
[2015-12-30 15:08:38] justinlooking : waiting for bearish news before it rallies out of sight
[2015-12-30 15:51:32] jung1 : nice drop
[2015-12-30 18:10:00] BitMEX_Wally : TschavaTschigger: Following our discussion on fees for hidden orders: A hidden order now only pays the taker fee if `leavesQty` is greater than `displayQty`. So there is no incentive to cancel the order once the hidden part is filled.
[2015-12-30 18:17:15] sleger : hidden order should always pay taker fee, cf bitfinex
[2015-12-30 18:18:08] sleger : or you're talking about iceberg (and not hidden) orders and then top part pays the maker fee ?
[2015-12-30 18:22:11] BitMEX_Wally : sleger: Yes iceberg orders
[2015-12-30 18:22:23] BitMEX_Wally : Hidden orders are just a special case where `displayQty = 0`
[2015-12-30 18:27:02] sleger : makes sense now, thanks
[2015-12-30 18:38:46] lockhedge : where can i find any information on hidden orders? couldn't find any in the api changelog?
[2015-12-30 18:38:52] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Wally: that change makes sense. thanks
[2015-12-30 18:39:14] BitMEX_Wally : lockhedge: They are currently being tested in testnet
[2015-12-30 18:39:46] BitMEX_Wally : lockhedge: https://testnet.bitmex.com/api/explorer/#!/Order/Order_new
[2015-12-30 18:40:41] lockhedge : thanks
[2015-12-30 18:41:34] BitMEX_Wally : Here is the documentation (still being written): https://testnet.bitmex.com/app/orderTypeFAQ
[2015-12-30 18:52:54] lockhedge : in combination with a maker/taker fee model (that reduces market quality/transparency by distorting the price-discovery process in exchange for more liquidity) hidden orders could lead to an even higher rebate arbitrage competition that in end could lead to less volume and less liquidity.
[2015-12-30 18:53:16] lockhedge : and as a market maker, i just don't like hidden orders ;)
[2015-12-30 18:59:07] lockhedge : BitMEX_Wally: it's great to have Testnet to study the effects of new order types, can i run a bot on Testnet without any effects on my rate limits for api calls for my real-money bots?
[2015-12-30 19:02:05] BitMEX_Wally : lockhedge: Yes they are completely separate, you have to register for a testnet account
[2015-12-30 19:03:04] lockhedge : BitMEX_Wally: ok perfect
[2015-12-30 19:55:03] rapidtrades : wtf...why are we stil at discount?
[2015-12-30 19:55:39] rapidtrades : looks like another illiquid day
[2015-12-30 19:56:12] sleger : because more people want to sell at index price than buy
[2015-12-30 19:57:08] rapidtrades : doubt it...premium has a lot to do with expected volatility and if we're going down, the premium shouldn't fall
[2015-12-30 19:57:22] rapidtrades : cos falls are susceptible to crashes
[2015-12-30 19:58:40] rapidtrades : sleger: you prolly f*cked some bot up when you bought those 100k on weekly
[2015-12-30 19:59:06] sleger : on strong down move all premiums go <0 but there is volatility
[2015-12-30 20:00:26] sleger : negative, although there is volatility.
[2015-12-30 20:01:34] rapidtrades : agree re:premium but discount is unusual...we only dipped $7 today
[2015-12-30 20:02:23] sleger : I think it's because more people expect to go down more, and there are more sellers than buyers. I am quite sure most bots here just follow the market and adjust depending on buy/sell pressure.
[2015-12-30 20:03:57] rapidtrades : I would agree with that but my point was selling is only on this exchange due to liquidity issues...okc is at $426 finx at $424.3, not selling afaik
[2015-12-30 20:03:58] TschavaTschigger : lockhedge: "hidden orders could lead to an even higher rebate arbitrage competition" hidden makers pay taker-fee, hidden takers get maker-rebate... so opposite of normal orders
[2015-12-30 20:04:28] rapidtrades : TschavaTschigger: what....that sounds silly
[2015-12-30 20:06:56] sleger : no thats normal, and thats also what finex does
[2015-12-30 20:12:01] rapidtrades : hidden takers get rebate? but they're still net negative right?
[2015-12-30 20:17:13] sleger : I dont know what a hidden taker would even mean.
[2015-12-30 20:17:24] sleger : What we are saying is that hidden makers pay taker fee.
[2015-12-30 20:18:01] BitMEX_Sam : It needs to work that way because otherwise a user could place what they thought was a resting order, but it executes against a hidden order
[2015-12-30 20:18:14] BitMEX_Sam : In that case the user with the hidden order should pay the fee, not the user who placed what he thought was resting