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[2015-12-26 18:52:03] jung1 : I think so
[2015-12-26 18:52:17] rapidtrades : dam that would explain a lot
[2015-12-26 18:52:44] rapidtrades : it's the exit scam huh
[2015-12-26 18:53:39] stevelim : @jung1 do you have any news link?
[2015-12-26 18:53:41] rapidtrades : that's why yday okc traded $5-$10 above market...they were cashing out
[2015-12-26 18:54:16] jung1 : found it of bitcointalk
[2015-12-26 18:54:32] jung1 : didnt see any so far
[2015-12-26 18:54:52] macios15 : jung1: co sie dzieje
[2015-12-26 18:55:27] jung1 : mmm-china sie zawiesiło i nie wypłaca, stąd ten drop imo
[2015-12-26 18:56:00] habibi : w sensie? drop bo nie wyplaca i ludzie sprzedaja coiny ktorych nie wyplaca?
[2015-12-26 18:57:01] jung1 : to jest ponzi oparte na bitcoinie więc mogli pompować kurs, żeby pokrywać wypłaty dla nowych użytkowników, jak im sie coś zawiesiło to mogli zrzucic
[2015-12-26 18:57:17] rapidtrades : NO FUNNY LANGUAGES
[2015-12-26 18:57:25] habibi : pompowac kurs zeby pokrywac?
[2015-12-26 18:57:32] habibi : nie rozumiem mechaniki
[2015-12-26 18:58:03] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1900 @ 416.75
[2015-12-26 18:58:03] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 2021 @ 416.34
[2015-12-26 18:58:03] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1 @ 416.52
[2015-12-26 18:59:14] jung1 : tak jak było z ltc gdzie gosc pompował ltc które ludzie mu wpłacali na poczed cloudminningu. przeszło przez niego 15% wszystkich litecoinów
[2015-12-26 18:59:26] habibi : no ale masz bitcoiny
[2015-12-26 18:59:32] habibi : i pompujesz po to zeby wyplacic te same bitcoiny?
[2015-12-26 18:59:33] jung1 : rapidtrades: you should learn some polish
[2015-12-26 19:00:02] jung1 : wyplaty w dolcach tez tam są
[2015-12-26 19:00:16] habibi : to trzeba dolara pompowac...
[2015-12-26 19:00:27] habibi : MMM to scam, scam umiera gdy wlasciciel mowi ze sa problemy techniczne
[2015-12-26 19:00:34] habibi : wiec poprostu ew przyczyna jest to ze dumpuje coiny
[2015-12-26 19:00:41] habibi : ktore mial na poczet wyplat i poprostu ponzi upadlo
[2015-12-26 19:02:09] rapidtrades : holy shit this has been some day huh fellas
[2015-12-26 19:02:22] jung1 : mm się zaczęło przy $270
[2015-12-26 19:02:40] jung1 : Its not end
[2015-12-26 19:02:51] habibi : ponzi zaczelo sie
[2015-12-26 19:02:54] habibi : poltora roku temu>?
[2015-12-26 19:02:54] rapidtrades : yaya $300 pretzel Warsaw
[2015-12-26 19:02:58] habibi : albo rok temu
[2015-12-26 19:03:08] jung1 : cos takiego
[2015-12-26 19:03:17] rapidtrades : $400 KURWA
[2015-12-26 19:03:25] jung1 : hehe
[2015-12-26 19:03:42] jung1 : you see? its not so hard to learn
[2015-12-26 19:04:12] jung1 : then open long on $366
[2015-12-26 19:04:27] jung1 : < 400 this year
[2015-12-26 19:04:46] jung1 : and close it on $2500
[2015-12-26 19:06:53] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 1500 @ 418.48
[2015-12-26 19:10:47] j8 : bfx hidden sell wall at 418
[2015-12-26 19:13:22] rapidtrades : China rising
[2015-12-26 19:15:13] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 200 @ 420.20
[2015-12-26 19:17:14] jung1 : rekt bot have a lot of work today
[2015-12-26 19:18:12] jung1 : everytime when he post something there should be 'DOUH!" sound from simpsons
[2015-12-26 19:18:52] HowDoge : cekseh: china really wants it it seems
[2015-12-26 19:21:55] rapidtrades : CHINA WANTS THE D
[2015-12-26 19:25:17] macios15 : me too
[2015-12-26 19:26:13] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 377 @ 420.37
[2015-12-26 19:26:14] REKT : Getting chopped to death is fun, everyone should try it
[2015-12-26 19:27:13] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 4000 @ 420.16
[2015-12-26 19:33:26] rapidtrades : that thread on bitcoinmarkets has <200 comments...noone's trading in the west
[2015-12-26 19:33:38] rapidtrades : well f u chat
[2015-12-26 19:33:46] zanza : ?
[2015-12-26 19:33:53] zanza : if you are getting cut off refresh page
[2015-12-26 19:34:04] rapidtrades : it ate half of my comment
[2015-12-26 19:34:45] rapidtrades : AS I WAS SAYING....that thread <200 comments...noone is trading in the west
[2015-12-26 19:34:49] rapidtrades : wtf
[2015-12-26 19:34:56] rapidtrades : I give up
[2015-12-26 19:35:02] zanza : which thread?
[2015-12-26 19:35:06] zanza : did you refresh ?
[2015-12-26 19:35:23] rapidtrades : daily discussion has below 200 comments
[2015-12-26 19:35:49] rapidtrades : ah I get it.. the '<' is messing up
[2015-12-26 19:36:09] rapidtrades : nvm I figured it out
[2015-12-26 19:36:31] zanza : I'm pretty sure this drop is a Finex dump, look at their new open short intere
[2015-12-26 19:36:39] zanza : ahh fk
[2015-12-26 19:36:49] zanza : castrated by chat
[2015-12-26 19:36:55] habibi : lel yea and thats why china lost all the positive premium and get negative one so big
[2015-12-26 19:36:59] habibi : on futures all and spot
[2015-12-26 19:37:07] wurstgelee : finex has big premium over china now
[2015-12-26 19:37:12] rapidtrades : yeah China's dumping while west is sleeping
[2015-12-26 19:37:36] wurstgelee : this is a china dump....
[2015-12-26 19:37:48] rapidtrades : that's what I was saying, you can see by that thread that noone in the west is trading today
[2015-12-26 19:38:19] rapidtrades : weak yo, it's not even Christmas
[2015-12-26 19:38:36] wurstgelee : its still unusual that finex doesnt dump synchronously tho
[2015-12-26 19:38:51] rapidtrades : yeah I withdrew from okc just to be safe
[2015-12-26 19:38:53] zanza : https://bfxdata.com/sentiment/longshort.php
[2015-12-26 19:39:16] rapidtrades : smth feels off
[2015-12-26 19:39:41] wurstgelee : usually china premium was higher after china dumps, right now the opposite happens
[2015-12-26 19:39:44] wurstgelee : odd somehow
[2015-12-26 19:39:51] rapidtrades : like China knows smth we don't
[2015-12-26 19:40:23] wurstgelee : might be due tat "bitocin no currency etc blabla" news in china
[2015-12-26 19:40:29] wurstgelee : *to that
[2015-12-26 19:40:38] rapidtrades : or that mmm scam again
[2015-12-26 19:42:20] zanza : MMM scam cashing out? sub 200's?
[2015-12-26 19:42:49] wurstgelee : lol no
[2015-12-26 19:42:53] rapidtrades : idk man...yday I saw very strange buying on okc spot usd...like smone was cashing out
[2015-12-26 19:43:13] rapidtrades : we were $5 above market...now we're $8 below
[2015-12-26 19:43:23] rapidtrades : usd to usd, not cny
[2015-12-26 19:43:47] rapidtrades : that pattern would indicate cashing out BTC yday
[2015-12-26 19:44:47] dr.rock : we'll see, now would be a good time to start dumping again
[2015-12-26 19:48:46] rapidtrades : 348 BTC for hedging contract :)
[2015-12-26 19:48:57] rapidtrades : not a bad first day
[2015-12-26 19:59:20] habibi : on xbu rapidtrades?
[2015-12-26 20:04:42] zanza : rapidtrades: good volume, how much is finex per day swap rate? XBU is like .085% per day if you hold for 7 days
[2015-12-26 20:07:38] j8 : zanza: btc FRR is .0078 at the moment, so less than a tenth of that
[2015-12-26 20:09:56] gouda : what are the black trades?
[2015-12-26 20:11:39] wurstgelee : same price as previous
[2015-12-26 20:12:12] gouda : ah thanks
[2015-12-26 20:35:02] zanza : would a margin long/short on finxed be comparable to long/short position on XBU? (both "guaranteed settlement")
[2015-12-26 20:45:32] rapidtrades : zanza: hmmm
[2015-12-26 20:45:46] j8 : zanza: yeah, basically the same in practice.
[2015-12-26 20:46:21] rapidtrades : could have a small difference, depending on if u have deposited btc or usd in ur account
[2015-12-26 20:46:39] j8 : swap rates would be comparable to the premium or discount on the future.
[2015-12-26 20:46:56] rapidtrades : but that affects leverage mainly and u can size ur position
[2015-12-26 20:47:32] rapidtrades : current rates to go long are 0.0367%
[2015-12-26 20:48:01] rapidtrades : shorts are almost free atm
[2015-12-26 20:51:16] j8 : a bit worrying that there's 5k coins sitting there ready to be borrowed for cheap and market sold
[2015-12-26 20:51:47] rapidtrades : not worrying at all if ur hedged :)
[2015-12-26 20:52:53] rapidtrades : I assume rates will spike as the coins are depleted? but I haven't shorted much on finex so not sure
[2015-12-26 20:55:42] j8 : yeah, their system adjusts the FRR based on supply and demand. of course anyone can post bids or offers at any rate, but it's not a very good market since most people just let the system do it for them
[2015-12-26 20:58:35] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 10 @ 420.86
[2015-12-26 20:59:05] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 599 @ 420.26
[2015-12-26 21:07:59] zanza : whats next stop ?
[2015-12-26 21:09:05] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 600 @ 418.12
[2015-12-26 21:09:05] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 409 @ 418.14
[2015-12-26 21:12:45] REKT : Liquidated long on XBTH16: Sell 4100 @ 492.28
[2015-12-26 21:13:35] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 503 @ 414.67
[2015-12-26 21:13:55] v.rapTrading : is there a mod on here?
[2015-12-26 21:15:07] BitMEX_Sam : Hi v.rapTrading
[2015-12-26 21:18:56] v.rapTrading : I just got liquidated on a position that I market closed before fair price reached my liq price
[2015-12-26 21:19:19] v.rapTrading : in the past I have done this and had my account "restored to good standing
[2015-12-26 21:19:52] v.rapTrading : but this time it jsut froze and I watch my liq price get hit and turn red for a few moments before closing and notifying me of the liquidation
[2015-12-26 21:21:47] BitMEX_Sam : Sure, let us check on the history.
[2015-12-26 21:22:46] v.rapTrading : thanks
[2015-12-26 21:23:56] BitMEX_Wally : v.rapTrading: Your market close order was submitted into the market at your liquidation price of 414.67 but there were no matching orders in the book
[2015-12-26 21:24:49] v.rapTrading : mm. okay.
[2015-12-26 21:24:51] BitMEX_Wally : At the time the market bid was 413.3
[2015-12-26 21:25:39] v.rapTrading : oh wow okay that moved fast
[2015-12-26 21:27:41] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, it looks like the bids were being hammered
[2015-12-26 21:29:03] v.rapTrading : rough chop
[2015-12-26 21:29:04] Mido : can I set isolate margin before buying contracts?
[2015-12-26 21:29:21] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, there is a drop down under `Order Options`
[2015-12-26 21:31:39] Mido : i mean
[2015-12-26 21:31:46] Mido : set a value
[2015-12-26 21:31:54] Mido : for example 20%
[2015-12-26 21:31:58] Mido : not just check it
[2015-12-26 21:32:48] wurstgelee : not yet
[2015-12-26 21:33:21] wurstgelee : workaround, add order with cross, switch to isolated, manually add margin
[2015-12-26 21:35:30] TschavaTschigger : sam/wally: what error message do I get when I reach the API request limit? could try now by hammering requests to your servers but I think asking kindly makes more sense
[2015-12-26 21:37:41] Mido : switch to isolated?
[2015-12-26 21:37:42] Mido : how?
[2015-12-26 21:38:15] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 437 @ 415.45
[2015-12-26 21:38:23] wurstgelee : checkbox "isolate margin" on the right of you position (positions tab)
[2015-12-26 21:38:39] Mido : ok i did it
[2015-12-26 21:38:58] BitMEX_Wally : TschavaTschigger: Thank you for asking :) The HTTP status code is 429
[2015-12-26 21:38:58] Mido : but its on 0.00x cuz no one sold for this price yet
[2015-12-26 21:39:01] micmix : TschavaTschigger: you get HTTP status code 429, don't remember the message exactly
[2015-12-26 21:39:11] TschavaTschigger : thanks micmix and BitMEX_Wally
[2015-12-26 21:39:14] wurstgelee : Mido: then you dont have a position yet ;)
[2015-12-26 21:39:34] zanza : maybe its an "active order"
[2015-12-26 21:39:39] Mido : yes it is
[2015-12-26 21:40:00] Mido : U know, i wanted to set the margin and go to sleep
[2015-12-26 21:40:05] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 25 @ 414.98
[2015-12-26 21:40:18] wurstgelee : Mido: risky ;)
[2015-12-26 21:40:27] Mido : well, yeah
[2015-12-26 21:40:30] Mido : :P
[2015-12-26 21:41:35] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1000 @ 414.68
[2015-12-26 21:42:24] Mido : what is default isolate margin?
[2015-12-26 21:42:41] micmix : well, I see the REKT bot was working hard on Christmas
[2015-12-26 21:42:55] zanza : yes
[2015-12-26 21:44:10] macios15 : why huobi order book is soo think
[2015-12-26 21:44:24] macios15 : thin* and ok is big
[2015-12-26 21:44:45] micmix : someone broke bitcoin rally but China is still buying: The CNY lending quota has been reached, complete form to reserve an order.
[2015-12-26 21:45:30] wurstgelee : china closed the -$8 gap
[2015-12-26 21:45:35] wurstgelee : now equal egain
[2015-12-26 21:45:35] micmix : lowest offer at 0.2% on OKC
[2015-12-26 21:46:48] micmix : yeah, I see that, first time since the summer I think
[2015-12-26 21:49:32] macios15 : china lower da fcuk
[2015-12-26 21:51:06] Mido : i have a question
[2015-12-26 21:51:25] Mido : oh
[2015-12-26 21:51:33] Mido : nvm
[2015-12-26 21:51:41] Mido : Going sleep, bye :D
[2015-12-26 21:55:06] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 10370 @ 412.41
[2015-12-26 21:55:14] SnackyCoins : :O
[2015-12-26 21:57:24] zanza : hey SnackyCoins
[2015-12-26 22:15:00] SnackyCoins : yo
[2015-12-26 23:22:37] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 1500 @ 417.11
[2015-12-27 00:18:28] billyboy402 : can some one tel me , if y9ou short XBT and buy okc 3 monthly , you make a profit , on the different but if it drops too much you shart losing money .,
[2015-12-27 00:19:20] billyboy402 : https://www.dropbox.com/s/yjfqz4chgnnm3pp/Buy%20and%20sell%20for%20future%20prem%20.xlsx?dl=0
[2015-12-27 00:20:06] billyboy402 : i create this excel ,. but look like it a bell cuve and has a sweet spot but alsot lose once it starts to move awasy
[2015-12-27 00:33:20] TschavaTschigger : billyboy402: can't open the excel file cause I am not at home, but remember that xbt are quanto futures and have a different payout structure
[2015-12-27 00:34:41] BitMEX_Wally : billyboy402: https://blog.bitmex.com/xbt-vs-xbu-chain/
[2015-12-27 00:34:43] BitMEX_Wally : (OKC futures are similar to our XBU futures)
[2015-12-27 00:35:02] BitMEX_Wally : billyboy402: Also: https://blog.bitmex.com/future-vs-future-arbitrage-with-xbu-chain/
[2015-12-27 00:55:09] gustavo7 : finex vs stamp wat
[2015-12-27 00:57:28] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 7990 @ 408.11
[2015-12-27 01:53:09] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 2000 @ 412.38
[2015-12-27 02:12:21] lockhedge : updated exchange weightings for BIX... 50% Bitfinex 30% Bitstamp 12% Huobi 8% Kraken https://github.com/robotfinance/BIX
[2015-12-27 02:12:58] lockhedge : and added a Demo for the Websocket API https://robotfinance.org/bix/
[2015-12-27 02:13:42] micmix : lockhedge: nice!
[2015-12-27 02:14:13] TschavaTschigger : lockhedge: this look absolutely fantastic
[2015-12-27 02:14:18] TschavaTschigger : looks*
[2015-12-27 02:15:21] TschavaTschigger : lockhedge: maybe you should also de-weight if a price of one exchange spikes or flashcrashes irrationally
[2015-12-27 02:15:28] lockhedge : thanks guys, this is the first day i can remember that BIX is below XBX, my MM bot made quite some money since it is using BIX as reference
[2015-12-27 02:16:25] lockhedge : TschavaTschigger: will work on dynamic de-weighting, inputs are highly welcome
[2015-12-27 02:17:28] TschavaTschigger : but the idea is great. I always hated tradeblock for being propietary
[2015-12-27 02:18:44] TschavaTschigger : anyway, I'm going to bed.. cya guys
[2015-12-27 02:19:34] lockhedge : propietary and endorsed by Goldman Sachs ;) cya
[2015-12-27 02:30:10] SlinQ : http://cyber.dealing.ninja/
[2015-12-27 02:30:17] SlinQ : i will make this opensource
[2015-12-27 02:36:50] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 593 @ 413.14
[2015-12-27 02:49:20] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 20909 @ 416.10 <b>MEGA-REKT</b>
[2015-12-27 02:50:50] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 8861 @ 419.71
[2015-12-27 02:53:00] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 200 @ 420.65
[2015-12-27 03:00:45] lockhedge : SlinQ: nice, would be interesting to see your backend code.
[2015-12-27 03:12:48] zanza : wtf
[2015-12-27 03:12:51] zanza : Bitcoin is insane
[2015-12-27 03:48:26] Mido : why is my unrealised pnl changing
[2015-12-27 03:48:43] Mido : if i already sold my contracts?
[2015-12-27 03:58:21] BitMEX_Wally : Mido: If you have no positions then your unrealisedPnl is 0
[2015-12-27 04:01:09] BitMEX_Wally : At the time you messaged you had a position in XBT7D, but it looks like you found it and closed it now
[2015-12-27 04:19:41] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1 @ 418.35
[2015-12-27 04:19:41] REKT : Big whale detected
[2015-12-27 04:21:01] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 400 @ 417.14
[2015-12-27 04:31:01] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 3100 @ 415.29
[2015-12-27 04:31:01] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 4000 @ 416.79
[2015-12-27 04:32:22] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 200 @ 415.50
[2015-12-27 04:48:02] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 5 @ 417.68
[2015-12-27 05:41:02] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 1000 @ 414.77
[2015-12-27 08:54:35] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 300 @ 415.91
[2015-12-27 09:27:41] ethexio : Rekt
[2015-12-27 10:16:21] laisee : rekkage piling up
[2015-12-27 10:17:09] jesperf : the vultures will clean 'em up
[2015-12-27 10:39:34] djuan : i wouldn’t short this. its going to soar up to 440 soon
[2015-12-27 10:51:02] djuan : maybe 435 ;)
[2015-12-27 10:52:01] djuan : hell we may be at 460 by the end of the day
[2015-12-27 11:04:24] ysl : where to do trading or lending?
[2015-12-27 11:04:51] ysl : not user friendly atm
[2015-12-27 11:05:48] ysl : no tab or anything for trading/lending
[2015-12-27 11:11:51] djuan : deposit bitcoin first.
[2015-12-27 11:12:59] djuan : no lending as far as I’m aware
[2015-12-27 11:14:29] ysl : ok..depositing now.
[2015-12-27 11:15:08] ysl : so theres no tab/option to buy/lend when there's 0 deposit..
[2015-12-27 11:15:30] sleger : no lending means no lending
[2015-12-27 11:15:49] ysl : i read there's lending
[2015-12-27 11:15:55] sleger : read again
[2015-12-27 11:16:52] ysl : https://blog.bitmex.com/
[2015-12-27 11:17:05] ysl : In order to attract more liquidity, the fee schedule has been restructured. Makers who provide liquidity will be paid 0.10%. Takers will pay 0.30%.
[2015-12-27 11:18:07] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 150 @ 423.13
[2015-12-27 11:20:15] djuan : longing now. that was just a little set back
[2015-12-27 11:25:29] djuan : large short orders and small longs. come on people. believe in yourself
[2015-12-27 11:27:01] sleger : ysl: I dont see anything about lending in that sentence
[2015-12-27 11:28:22] ysl : this means lending.? --> Makers who provide liquidity will be paid 0.10%.
[2015-12-27 11:28:42] sleger : no it means leaving a limit order in the book, this is trading commission
[2015-12-27 11:28:48] djuan : no it means reward
[2015-12-27 11:30:30] ysl : ok..
[2015-12-27 11:31:19] laisee : lending on Bitfinex, other sites ... but you still need some assets for collateral/security
[2015-12-27 11:35:43] ethexio : i beleib
[2015-12-27 11:40:59] ethexio : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ydwg2/warning_abnormally_high_number_of_blocks/
[2015-12-27 12:25:09] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 200 @ 421.95
[2015-12-27 12:32:12] zanza : someone manipulating the bitcoin protocol? that could be very bearish
[2015-12-27 12:48:09] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 2300 @ 420.56
[2015-12-27 12:48:09] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 150 @ 420.39
[2015-12-27 13:06:20] jung1 : or new kind of minnich chips = more security
[2015-12-27 13:13:15] cataquil : antpool has the most block in the past few hours
[2015-12-27 13:13:32] cataquil : I cloudmine there and profit per TH/s has gone down
[2015-12-27 13:15:24] cataquil : there were 2 blocks which took less than a minute to solve
[2015-12-27 13:25:58] zanza : cataquil: cloudmine? seriously?
[2015-12-27 13:34:41] sleger : you guys really want to know what is going on with blockchain and TH/s ? I can tell you...
[2015-12-27 13:38:40] zanza : i do not want to know
[2015-12-27 13:39:40] sleger : then you should sign out, I will let you know on the chat when it's ok for you to sign back in ;)
[2015-12-27 14:00:30] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 500 @ 417.74
[2015-12-27 14:05:36] cataquil : zanza: yep and buy/sell GH/s contracts
[2015-12-27 14:05:41] cataquil : a bit like bonds
[2015-12-27 14:07:09] jung1 : any chance to add thiss sound to REKT bot? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H22t-tiWiLw
[2015-12-27 14:16:29] cataquil : err no thanks
[2015-12-27 14:22:15] zanza : cataquil: isn't just buying BTC better deal ?
[2015-12-27 14:22:52] zanza : sleger: ok im back , did you already say?
[2015-12-27 14:23:09] sleger : nobody asked so no
[2015-12-27 14:26:14] BitMEX_Wally : What would you do if rapidtrades wanted to know?
[2015-12-27 14:34:44] gielbier : sleger: tell me :)
[2015-12-27 14:35:01] sleger : ahhh thank you, I was dying !!!
[2015-12-27 14:35:44] sleger : So I used rapidtrades magic formula (11=14) and from then you can easily find a way to crack RSA code, which I do now on a piece of paper when I have some spare time to mine a couple of blocks, hence the hashrate increase !
[2015-12-27 14:35:48] TschavaTschigger : next stop: goblin town
[2015-12-27 14:59:01] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 9 @ 419.99
[2015-12-27 15:38:21] BitMEX_Wally : We now support amending order quantity or price over API. Check it out in testnet: https://testnet.bitmex.com/api/explorer/#!/Order/Order_amend
[2015-12-27 15:39:40] BitMEX_Wally : Combined with `execInst: "ParticipateDoNotInitiate"` (i.e. only trade if you get the maker rebate) is great for market makers
[2015-12-27 16:19:22] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 8 @ 417.41
[2015-12-27 16:28:32] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 476 @ 416.88
[2015-12-27 17:15:00] j8 : BitMEX_Wally: very cool, lots of new stuff in there. hidden orders too it seems?
[2015-12-27 17:41:14] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Wally: this is fantastic. very nice job.
[2015-12-27 17:47:24] Swedishnut : Yeah Bitmex continues to impress
[2015-12-27 18:08:38] dr.rock : im about to go kamikaze
[2015-12-27 18:08:53] dr.rock : BONZI
[2015-12-27 18:09:46] dr.rock : Banzai!
[2015-12-27 18:19:27] cekseh : All in 15 contracts!
[2015-12-27 18:22:36] dr.rock : if i only played with 15 contracts i'd be sitting pretty right now
[2015-12-27 18:22:48] dr.rock : :)
[2015-12-27 18:23:07] dr.rock : happy new year
[2015-12-27 18:33:32] cekseh : World ends jan 1st 2016
[2015-12-27 18:33:39] cekseh : Just fyi
[2015-12-27 18:37:04] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 100 @ 424.99
[2015-12-27 18:37:04] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 819 @ 424.85
[2015-12-27 18:37:04] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 300 @ 424.62
[2015-12-27 18:37:43] wurstgelee : $7 premium on xbt24h ? seriously?
[2015-12-27 18:38:28] manchstr_untd1 : big move due soon. expected to be bullish?
[2015-12-27 18:38:52] wurstgelee : thats toooo optimistic imo ;)
[2015-12-27 19:14:05] SnackyCoins : @BitMEX_Arthur @BitMEX_Sam @BitMEX_Wally $6 premium on 24h when okc weekly is at a discount? is this right?
[2015-12-27 19:22:24] chromaticcr : affirmitive with too much contracts opening lol
[2015-12-27 19:22:29] chromaticcr : getting some deposits~
[2015-12-27 19:41:44] chromaticcr : got 4k conts, wish y'all luck
[2015-12-27 19:46:55] jung1 : you are short?
[2015-12-27 19:47:18] chromaticcr : @SnackyCoins : should be in the green as long as price stays in the range between 390-460, quanto inverse arb got risk
[2015-12-27 20:15:13] SnackyCoins : in the green yes but given we're sideways it should only be a couple dollars
[2015-12-27 20:16:28] SnackyCoins : last time there was a $6 premium we were going up pretty rapidly
[2015-12-27 20:23:15] habibi : lel wtf is wrong with that premium on 24 today :D?
[2015-12-27 20:23:27] wurstgelee : dunno
[2015-12-27 20:23:46] wurstgelee : well have a lot of mc longs on a minor dump ;)
[2015-12-27 20:23:59] habibi : few hours ago it was at normal price
[2015-12-27 20:25:07] TschavaTschigger : can anybody rationally explain to me why coinbase was $8 above finex yesterday? I still don't get that
[2015-12-27 20:25:34] TschavaTschigger : bitcoin markets are super-weird sometimes
[2015-12-27 20:28:51] Swedishnut : Dyslexia Helps :P
[2015-12-27 20:29:18] stf28 : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ydwg2/warning_abnormally_high_number_of_blocks/
[2015-12-27 20:34:13] habibi : 6 dollar premium
[2015-12-27 20:34:15] habibi : u are mad
[2015-12-27 20:35:15] chromaticcr : We need some short rekt to get higher premium to arb lol
[2015-12-27 20:37:35] habibi : 7d wtf :D
[2015-12-27 20:37:50] BitMEX_Sam : Blocks are bursty today
[2015-12-27 20:37:52] BitMEX_Sam : https://blockchain.info/blocks
[2015-12-27 20:40:23] SnackyCoins : sam is the fair price functioning normally?
[2015-12-27 20:40:46] SnackyCoins : there seems to be a really high premium considering the market action of the past 24h
[2015-12-27 20:41:01] wurstgelee : i dont see the problem
[2015-12-27 20:41:11] habibi : no 6k bot
[2015-12-27 20:41:16] habibi : thats why this spread on 24h
[2015-12-27 20:41:16] wurstgelee : fair price is between bids and asks, right?
[2015-12-27 20:41:19] habibi : i mean premium
[2015-12-27 20:41:20] SnackyCoins : no wurst
[2015-12-27 20:41:34] SnackyCoins : fair price includes a fair basis interest set by bitmex
[2015-12-27 20:41:44] SnackyCoins : the bots trade around it
[2015-12-27 20:42:08] SnackyCoins : during sideways market, at 24h contract OPEN we usually see maybe $2
[2015-12-27 20:42:23] wurstgelee : fair price is not fixed by that basis interest
[2015-12-27 20:42:30] SnackyCoins : $7 premium is what i would expect to see if we were making daily upwards $15 moves or so
[2015-12-27 20:42:35] wurstgelee : orders play their part too
[2015-12-27 20:42:52] SnackyCoins : how do the orders play in?
[2015-12-27 20:42:59] SnackyCoins : fair price is basis + index
[2015-12-27 20:43:36] SnackyCoins : there is nothing any whale or user can do to affect the fair price of a contract on bitmex.com.. they'd have to play a spot market to change it
[2015-12-27 20:43:39] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: do you have that calculation formula link at hand? ;)
[2015-12-27 20:43:51] SnackyCoins : i'll go double check 8)
[2015-12-27 20:43:54] BitMEX_Sam : https://www.bitmex.com/app/dynamicProfitEqualisation#fair-price-marking
[2015-12-27 20:43:58] habibi : guys go mm on 7 days
[2015-12-27 20:44:03] habibi : u see what happens without mm
[2015-12-27 20:44:47] wurstgelee : SnackyCoins: weighted mid price
[2015-12-27 20:44:56] SnackyCoins : this is new for me on this page 8)
[2015-12-27 20:45:19] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: thanks
[2015-12-27 20:46:28] habibi : i mean 24h, not 7d
[2015-12-27 20:47:43] SnackyCoins : So the premium is high because we are bid heavy? How does this weight work when the contract is first issued?
[2015-12-27 20:49:22] BitMEX_Sam : The idea is that the fair should follow the market within reason, but make manipulation expensive and not allow cascading liquidations
[2015-12-27 20:49:47] BitMEX_Sam : I would have to double-check with Wally for the exact info but I believe that in the absence of a book (right at issuance), the contract follows a precalculated fair basis
[2015-12-27 20:50:01] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: seems like it, yes
[2015-12-27 20:50:17] wurstgelee : right after opening, fair price is=index price for a while
[2015-12-27 20:50:27] BitMEX_Wally : wurstgelee: Yes you are correct
[2015-12-27 20:51:01] wurstgelee : yay \o/
[2015-12-27 20:51:15] BitMEX_Wally : The fair basis is adjusted based on the weighted market price: https://www.bitmex.com/app/dynamicProfitEqualisation#weighted-bid-ask-and-mid-price
[2015-12-27 20:52:08] SnackyCoins : So does this mean someone could push the fair price using a large order, but they would have to place it fairly close to the front of the book to be counted?
[2015-12-27 20:52:48] SnackyCoins : is this calcuated every tick?
[2015-12-27 20:53:01] wurstgelee : you could push it, but thats risky ands expensive
[2015-12-27 20:53:27] BitMEX_Wally : Yes you would have to use a large order, and hold it there over time
[2015-12-27 20:53:55] wurstgelee : it only works out if market moves in your direction
[2015-12-27 20:54:02] wurstgelee : otherwise you pay big time
[2015-12-27 20:54:23] SnackyCoins : OK that sounds good. I still think the premium is unusual 8) but I will just take it as data
[2015-12-27 20:54:40] wurstgelee : it reflects bitmex tarder's sentiment atm ;)
[2015-12-27 20:54:46] wurstgelee : *traders
[2015-12-27 20:54:51] BitMEX_Wally : :)
[2015-12-27 20:55:05] SnackyCoins : yeah we have quite a great deal of sentiment divergence between exchanges it would seem today :)
[2015-12-27 20:55:15] wurstgelee : hehe, yes
[2015-12-27 20:55:37] Swedishnut : any press is good press I guess :)
[2015-12-27 20:55:58] Swedishnut : turn up the Volume please and smooth stuff out would be great...
[2015-12-27 21:00:44] macios15 : 2730 in next h
[2015-12-27 21:18:22] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Wally: any ETA on when the amend-feature will go live? :)
[2015-12-27 21:20:04] BitMEX_Wally : TschavaTschigger: Lots of testing needed so in the new year
[2015-12-27 21:20:16] TschavaTschigger : ok, makes sense
[2015-12-27 21:34:37] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 50 @ 428.83
[2015-12-27 22:00:39] wurstgelee : even when its going down we keep the premium of $5+
[2015-12-27 22:00:41] wurstgelee : lol :)
[2015-12-27 22:12:00] justinlooking : wtf is going on
[2015-12-27 22:20:10] wurstgelee : dunno
[2015-12-27 22:20:46] rapidtrades : hey is username login disabled now? I got prompted for email
[2015-12-27 22:20:53] rapidtrades : hey btw
[2015-12-27 22:21:50] BitMEX_Wally : Yes has to be email
[2015-12-27 22:22:01] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: ok good, thanks
[2015-12-27 22:27:30] rapidtrades : that's a lot of premium...anyone else selling into that?
[2015-12-27 22:27:55] wurstgelee : else? there are no sells?
[2015-12-27 22:27:57] macios15 : ema 1h going to cross thats why
[2015-12-27 22:28:16] habibi : nope
[2015-12-27 22:28:24] habibi : one big guy with great long
[2015-12-27 22:29:10] rapidtrades : so china still hasn't catched up huh
[2015-12-27 22:29:12] wurstgelee : extreme thin orderbook tho
[2015-12-27 22:29:14] habibi : btw thats the time when isolated is much more safer
[2015-12-27 22:29:16] rapidtrades : what do u make of that?
[2015-12-27 22:29:25] wurstgelee : on the buy side
[2015-12-27 22:30:07] rapidtrades : fair prices is f-ed up as well
[2015-12-27 22:30:24] wurstgelee : yes, bc of orders obv
[2015-12-27 22:30:42] rapidtrades : it should tend towards the middle of bid/ask no?
[2015-12-27 22:31:07] wurstgelee : lol
[2015-12-27 22:31:08] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 2965 @ 431.53
[2015-12-27 22:31:08] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 50 @ 431.07
[2015-12-27 22:31:08] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 3931 @ 431.64
[2015-12-27 22:31:16] wurstgelee : nice jumping fair price
[2015-12-27 22:31:18] wurstgelee : oO
[2015-12-27 22:31:25] habibi : lol fair price jumped 2 dollars \
[2015-12-27 22:31:32] wurstgelee : wtf?
[2015-12-27 22:31:44] rapidtrades : wally stop f*cking with the fair price :)
[2015-12-27 22:32:03] wurstgelee : wtf....
[2015-12-27 22:32:04] habibi : BitMEX_Wally: got position for 0.18 margin
[2015-12-27 22:32:13] tajnalaska : to the moon?
[2015-12-27 22:32:16] TschavaTschigger : the price is perfectly fine
[2015-12-27 22:32:16] habibi : get isolated mc and lost much twice at it, why?
[2015-12-27 22:32:39] wurstgelee : TschavaTschigger: it was below bids for a while, then suddenly jumped by $2
[2015-12-27 22:32:45] wurstgelee : doesnt seem normal to me
[2015-12-27 22:32:51] habibi : yep totally fucked up
[2015-12-27 22:32:56] chromaticcr : arb the fuck outta it
[2015-12-27 22:33:27] rapidtrades : so is finex API down or smth
[2015-12-27 22:35:25] TschavaTschigger : wurstgelee: it can be below bids, this is working as intented... it uses <b>weighted</b> bid-ask mid for the fair price
[2015-12-27 22:35:47] rapidtrades : finex is playing it cool
[2015-12-27 22:35:50] wurstgelee : TschavaTschigger: nothing happened in the orderbooks when it jumped
[2015-12-27 22:36:09] rapidtrades : wurstgelee: maybe time happened?
[2015-12-27 22:36:19] TschavaTschigger : the highest bid and the lowest ask don't have to change
[2015-12-27 22:36:42] wurstgelee : i have grouped by 1.00
[2015-12-27 22:36:50] wurstgelee : there wasnt any serious movement
[2015-12-27 22:37:24] habibi : BitMEX_Wally: BitMEX_Sam?
[2015-12-27 22:37:58] BitMEX_Wally : The market is moving quickly
[2015-12-27 22:38:10] habibi : there was no move
[2015-12-27 22:40:40] micmix : no 6k bot to stabilize the book
[2015-12-27 22:40:48] wurstgelee : thats probably it
[2015-12-27 22:41:00] rapidtrades : I see 6k?
[2015-12-27 22:41:01] haxmb : which idiot is marking 7 bucks over inex
[2015-12-27 22:41:04] chromaticcr : there is a 2k bot to stabalize the rocket to the moon
[2015-12-27 22:41:11] habibi : yea but 16 contracts buy made fair price
[2015-12-27 22:41:16] habibi : moved 2+ dollars?
[2015-12-27 22:41:42] wurstgelee : *all of a sudden, thats the point
[2015-12-27 22:41:47] wurstgelee : one tick to another
[2015-12-27 22:41:58] micmix : 6k with $8 spread, it's not the same 6k bot that was quoting with 40-50 spread
[2015-12-27 22:42:06] micmix : 40-50c
[2015-12-27 22:42:35] habibi : 0.8-1.2 recently
[2015-12-27 22:42:37] BitMEX_Wally : The fair basis is adjusted based on the depth weighted price of 10 XBT worth of risk on both sides
[2015-12-27 22:43:04] BitMEX_Wally : The depth weighted spread has to be less than 50 bps for there to be an adjustment
[2015-12-27 22:43:11] habibi : so how it could move 2 dollars without price moving?
[2015-12-27 22:43:18] habibi : ah so its all about orderbook?
[2015-12-27 22:43:24] wurstgelee : yes
[2015-12-27 22:43:32] chromaticcr : more like a bot that refer to the fair price where pumping up the market will have positive feedback loop to pump it further more
[2015-12-27 22:43:48] habibi : quite easy to manipulate right?
[2015-12-27 22:43:53] BitMEX_Wally : Most bots use some underlying spot reference
[2015-12-27 22:44:33] wurstgelee : the problem is the thin orderbook/absence of big orders
[2015-12-27 22:44:36] chromaticcr : infinity ammo
[2015-12-27 22:45:05] wurstgelee : combined with big spread bewteen bid and asks, it easy to manipulate
[2015-12-27 22:45:07] macios15 : da fuck
[2015-12-27 22:45:11] macios15 : 425 xD
[2015-12-27 22:45:18] chromaticcr : 425 and back up again
[2015-12-27 22:45:21] chromaticcr : agin
[2015-12-27 22:45:30] rapidtrades : dam missed it
[2015-12-27 22:45:40] chromaticcr : aaaaand bot wall is up again
[2015-12-27 22:46:02] wurstgelee : lol oO
[2015-12-27 22:46:15] chromaticcr : again...... *3
[2015-12-27 22:46:18] wurstgelee : such fuckery
[2015-12-27 22:46:20] macios15 : that 425 was only 1k
[2015-12-27 22:46:38] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1792 @ 427.70
[2015-12-27 22:46:45] wurstgelee : lololol
[2015-12-27 22:46:46] chromaticcr : lol
[2015-12-27 22:47:00] micmix : 2k bot was pushing up
[2015-12-27 22:47:04] wurstgelee : this is fucked up ;)
[2015-12-27 22:47:22] chromaticcr : if the bot get rekt there will be a lot of dpe for hell sure
[2015-12-27 22:47:42] micmix : reacted to my test bot with 20 contracts ;-) I stopped my test bot
[2015-12-27 22:47:50] wurstgelee : haha
[2015-12-27 22:47:53] micmix : should get to normal now
[2015-12-27 22:48:26] rapidtrades : well those were one of the quikest profits made here
[2015-12-27 22:48:28] rapidtrades : tnx...
[2015-12-27 22:48:40] chromaticcr : wonder who :)
[2015-12-27 22:49:04] macios15 : eating premium
[2015-12-27 22:49:07] chromaticcr : i am like 4k conts... already full for me
[2015-12-27 22:49:20] micmix : I'll have lunch and come back to test some more
[2015-12-27 22:49:21] haxmb : micmix
[2015-12-27 22:49:23] haxmb : turn back on plz
[2015-12-27 22:49:49] habibi : micmix: so ur bot pushed price so badly? :D
[2015-12-27 22:50:06] wurstgelee : no, his bot stopped another bot doing it ;)
[2015-12-27 22:50:29] micmix : it was a feedback loop bc of thin book
[2015-12-27 22:50:34] chromaticcr : for impact of 20 contracts
[2015-12-27 22:50:53] haxmb : turn it back on to make that other one buy too high
[2015-12-27 22:51:07] wurstgelee : happening again? :)
[2015-12-27 22:51:13] chromaticcr : yup
[2015-12-27 22:51:21] micmix : but 2k bot should have some better checks, it shouldn't be possible to push it with 20 contracts
[2015-12-27 22:52:09] rapidtrades : as a wise man once said
[2015-12-27 22:52:17] rapidtrades : ''It shouldn't be but it do!''
[2015-12-27 22:52:46] micmix : ok, lunch time, will be back to play with it more
[2015-12-27 22:52:48] haxmb : micmix: turn back on? <3
[2015-12-27 22:52:57] haxmb : pretty please ;)
[2015-12-27 22:53:02] wurstgelee : haha ;)
[2015-12-27 22:53:18] Gomezpl : yeah and tel which way you are turning it on d ;p
[2015-12-27 22:53:33] chromaticcr : 1 Contract whale detected
[2015-12-27 22:53:45] wurstgelee : some mad bot
[2015-12-27 22:53:50] Gomezpl : yeah
[2015-12-27 22:53:52] rapidtrades : sleger buying :)
[2015-12-27 22:54:00] TschavaTschigger : rapidtrades you finished coding your bot?
[2015-12-27 22:54:05] rapidtrades : ya
[2015-12-27 22:54:13] habibi : thats me, wanted to feel like rapidtrades :)
[2015-12-27 22:54:18] mwalshe99 : big moves
[2015-12-27 22:54:31] chromaticcr : that is rapid lol
[2015-12-27 22:54:38] habibi : yep
[2015-12-27 22:54:40] wurstgelee : well, let that bot drive the price up to $8-10 premium again, short, wait for circuit breaker, $$$ profit :P