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[2015-12-23 02:01:08] BitMEX_Wally : chingchong: testnet is here https://testnet.bitmex.com/
[2015-12-23 02:02:00] zanza : oh cool thanks BitMEX_Wally
[2015-12-23 02:02:27] chingchong : t.y. wally
[2015-12-23 05:20:43] zanza : slow night
[2015-12-23 05:20:56] zanza : are we going to see 438 back and forth for a few months ?
[2015-12-23 05:32:31] rapidtrades : zanza: NO
[2015-12-23 05:33:02] Swedishnut : 444?
[2015-12-23 05:36:11] Swedishnut : 3k yuan though by friday
[2015-12-23 05:36:27] laisee : 444.44, maybe
[2015-12-23 05:53:58] BitMEX_Arthur : Back by popular demand
[2015-12-23 05:54:07] BitMEX_Arthur : https://blog.bitmex.com/bitmex-bitcoin-hedging-futures-reborn/
[2015-12-23 06:05:58] dorothy490 : BitMEX_Arthur: you need to incorproate links to the blog into the paltform somewhere
[2015-12-23 06:06:19] dorothy490 : I remember about your blog only once in a month or even less
[2015-12-23 06:06:55] dorothy490 : also there is notification button which is supposed to be a news feed near account name, but last update here is november
[2015-12-23 06:07:14] dorothy490 : and there is no update about XBU at that menu either
[2015-12-23 06:07:17] BitMEX_Arthur : dorothy490: Do you find that button effective?
[2015-12-23 06:07:45] BitMEX_Arthur : You won't see any changes until Friday when XBUZ15 ceases to exist, we will have more communication around XBU7D closer to Friday
[2015-12-23 06:12:03] dorothy490 : well I mean last news date is 21 of November and I bet there was soem updates
[2015-12-23 06:12:19] dorothy490 : dunno, when there was nubmers near it (liek 5 new notifications) I looked into it
[2015-12-23 06:12:33] dorothy490 : since there is no new notifications I dont use it, but it might be useful nevertheless
[2015-12-23 06:17:58] zanza : BitMEX_Arthur: I am hyped!
[2015-12-23 06:18:18] BitMEX_Arthur : I hope you will contribute some liquidity by placing maker orders and getting paid 10bps
[2015-12-23 06:20:36] zanza : Will there be a June 2016?
[2015-12-23 06:20:58] BitMEX_Arthur : Yes `XBTM16` will launch Friday as well
[2015-12-23 06:21:06] zanza : OH DAMN
[2015-12-23 06:21:18] zanza : im ready
[2015-12-23 06:40:40] dorothy490 : zanza: are you market maker?
[2015-12-23 07:05:54] zanza : dorothy490: sometim
[2015-12-23 07:14:26] thehawthorne : https://soundcloud.com/kjetil-eilertsen/fairytale-of-whaleclub
[2015-12-23 10:01:39] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Arthur: tnx for keeping the hedging options...I would prefer longer-dated contract but this is better then not having a contract
[2015-12-23 11:28:51] SnackyCoins : just saw the tweet. i think this is a good solution for XBU
[2015-12-23 11:33:55] wurstgelee : wtf
[2015-12-23 11:34:01] wurstgelee : futures spiked to 465
[2015-12-23 11:34:02] wurstgelee : okc
[2015-12-23 11:34:07] wurstgelee : surprise moon?
[2015-12-23 11:34:11] TschavaTschigger : jupp... partytime
[2015-12-23 11:34:18] wurstgelee : YAP
[2015-12-23 11:34:22] wurstgelee : \o/
[2015-12-23 11:34:39] wurstgelee : someone sold 10k conts @ 440 minutes ago
[2015-12-23 11:34:43] wurstgelee : im ok with that
[2015-12-23 11:34:48] wurstgelee : xbt24h that is
[2015-12-23 11:35:24] TschavaTschigger : i hate action during settlement phase, my bots are very passive then, they don't do shit
[2015-12-23 11:35:51] wurstgelee : timing isnt exactly perfect, indeed
[2015-12-23 11:36:05] TschavaTschigger : they just lay back and wait for settlement, those lazy bastards
[2015-12-23 11:36:11] wurstgelee : hehe
[2015-12-23 11:44:37] SnackyCoins : there's always fucking action during the avg period
[2015-12-23 11:45:26] wurstgelee : annoying :|
[2015-12-23 11:45:39] dorothy490 : why fair price is so low.. finxed 443
[2015-12-23 11:45:56] wurstgelee : dorothy490: settlement in 14 minutes
[2015-12-23 11:46:02] dorothy490 : so?
[2015-12-23 11:46:28] wurstgelee : 30 mins price averaging to detemerin settlement price
[2015-12-23 11:46:34] wurstgelee : *determine
[2015-12-23 11:46:45] dorothy490 : oh.. I thought its the same emchanism
[2015-12-23 11:46:52] wurstgelee : it is
[2015-12-23 11:47:06] wurstgelee : it only takes the average of the last 30 mins
[2015-12-23 11:48:48] wurstgelee : thats why fair price is moving towards indicative settlement price
[2015-12-23 11:48:50] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 700 @ 441.73
[2015-12-23 12:11:05] rapidtrades : fair price is middle bid/ask most of the time
[2015-12-23 12:45:30] messiaen8844 : http://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-markets-bitcoin-analysis-idUSKBN0U60GM20151223?feedType=RSS&feedName=businessNews
[2015-12-23 12:51:28] TschavaTschigger : those links are 99.9% garbage
[2015-12-23 12:52:02] TschavaTschigger : "according to Daniel Masters, co-founder of Jersey-based Global Advisors' multi-million dollar bitcoin hedge fund"... no shit? he predicts rise in bitcoin? what a surprise
[2015-12-23 12:52:06] rapidtrades : priced in imp
[2015-12-23 12:52:27] TschavaTschigger : I expected him to predict a crash after he invested there
[2015-12-23 12:53:49] rapidtrades : Friday settlement will be mayhem
[2015-12-23 12:54:20] rapidtrades : 4 expiring contracts, 4 new contracts...BRING ON THE GAMES
[2015-12-23 13:11:26] dorothy490 : rapidtrades: we dont really know volume of holding contracts for Quartery
[2015-12-23 13:11:36] dorothy490 : rapidtrades: maybe its like 50 000 contracts
[2015-12-23 13:18:50] sleger : dorothy490: why dont you know it ?
[2015-12-23 13:23:11] rapidtrades : sleger: wb, we didn't miss your passive-aggressive digs at newbies
[2015-12-23 13:23:44] rapidtrades : dorothy490: it's 86,333...you can find it under full details
[2015-12-23 13:23:48] sleger : I understand since you're the kind of newbies
[2015-12-23 13:23:51] sleger : *king
[2015-12-23 13:24:23] justinlooking : ok.cn bid!
[2015-12-23 13:24:28] justinlooking : yo sleger wb
[2015-12-23 13:24:46] rapidtrades : sleger: I've been trading longer then you and I will trade long after you get busted, sir
[2015-12-23 13:25:01] sleger : How do you know when I started trading ?
[2015-12-23 13:25:36] justinlooking : rapidtrades: you gave me the impression you were born yesterday...
[2015-12-23 13:26:19] sleger : nah ,he said he was 16. But well, since 11=14 maybe 16 is also 19... ?
[2015-12-23 13:27:18] justinlooking : got ur moon boots on slege?
[2015-12-23 13:27:33] sleger : rapidtrades: feel free to answer my question... Oh and also "I've been trading longer then you" is wrong. I have seen you make that mistake more than once now : it is thAn and not thEn
[2015-12-23 13:28:30] sleger : justinlooking: I'm a bit more long than (see @rapidtrades, than not then) comfortable right now, but I dont like to sell at such low premium on futures
[2015-12-23 13:28:56] laisee : grammar nazi alert!
[2015-12-23 13:33:39] laisee : wow, open interest is very low on 24H.
[2015-12-23 13:35:02] justinlooking : laisee: it's only been alive for 90 mins
[2015-12-23 13:35:04] sleger : it started 90min ago only
[2015-12-23 13:35:04] messiaen8844 : Xmas is coming and there are those nasty triangles still resolving
[2015-12-23 13:42:44] laisee : ... K, still seems a little low to me.
[2015-12-23 14:14:07] TschavaTschigger : it is low, even for 2 hours, but considering the very flat market, it's normal
[2015-12-23 14:14:49] TschavaTschigger : we just need to pray for volatility in the underlying to get more volume here
[2015-12-23 14:16:32] sleger : let's pray to the god of Vega
[2015-12-23 14:16:51] sleger : I suggest we also offer rapidtrades in sacrifice
[2015-12-23 14:17:58] messiaen8844 : virgin blood?
[2015-12-23 14:20:42] lockhedge : volume = volatility = more volume = more volatility = profit
[2015-12-23 14:27:18] lockhedge : great to read that XBU is coming back, https://blog.bitmex.com/bitmex-bitcoin-hedging-futures-reborn/
[2015-12-23 14:55:25] dr.rock : so the price goes up but my long contract loses value...something's rotten in Denmark
[2015-12-23 15:00:03] dr.rock : bitmex, where your bitcoin goes to die
[2015-12-23 15:04:52] sleger : maybe you're short
[2015-12-23 15:24:24] rapidttrades : Im not 16 ! I turnet 17 already damn !
[2015-12-23 15:25:56] sleger : *turned
[2015-12-23 15:26:13] habibi : turret
[2015-12-23 15:27:08] rapidttrades : my bought is almost read
[2015-12-23 15:27:20] rapidttrades : y
[2015-12-23 15:28:43] sleger : Are we gonna see orders of 0.1 contract everywhere soon ?
[2015-12-23 15:29:43] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1 @ 440.44
[2015-12-23 15:29:43] REKT : Big whale detected
[2015-12-23 15:30:26] rapidttrades : Aaaaaand I got recket ag
[2015-12-23 15:30:35] rapidttrades : ain
[2015-12-23 15:31:03] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 5 @ 439.44
[2015-12-23 15:32:02] justinlooking : \o/
[2015-12-23 15:32:46] laisee : rapidttrades: working at 5X usual position size?
[2015-12-23 15:33:09] rapidttrades : :( the 5 was not me.
[2015-12-23 15:33:30] rapidtrades : that's not me btw...notice the double TT
[2015-12-23 15:33:40] laisee : dodged a bullet, then
[2015-12-23 15:33:50] rapidttrades : fake rapidtrades is back !
[2015-12-23 15:33:58] rapidtrades : mods IP check and ban?
[2015-12-23 15:34:03] sleger : oh nooooooo, 2 of them ???
[2015-12-23 15:35:02] messiaen8844 : they are replicating
[2015-12-23 15:35:15] sleger : I do not see what's against any rule that would deserve a ban, at least this one hasnt insulted anyone or anyone's mother yet !
[2015-12-23 15:35:18] laisee : sleger: ? ask some questions to see which is the real rapidtrades
[2015-12-23 15:35:28] sleger : lol
[2015-12-23 15:35:35] sleger : rapidtrades: 14-11 = ?
[2015-12-23 15:35:36] messiaen8844 : resistance is futile
[2015-12-23 15:35:39] laisee : you know, basic math etc
[2015-12-23 15:35:47] laisee : snap
[2015-12-23 15:36:20] rapidtrades : sleger: stop impersonating me...u obsessed little man
[2015-12-23 15:36:53] sleger : rapidttrades: 11+3-14 = ? (this one is very tricky, multiple answers accepted)
[2015-12-23 15:37:32] sleger : rapidtrades: What is the current premium cny vs usd ?
[2015-12-23 15:38:14] rapidttrades : sleger: easy I would say 11, or maybe 14
[2015-12-23 15:38:49] sleger : This new one has humour, I like it, but unfortunately that means the real one still has only one "t" in his name :(
[2015-12-23 15:39:03] BitMEX_Wally : I've renamed `rapidttrades`
[2015-12-23 15:39:41] BitMEX_Wally : He might need to log in again for it to take effect
[2015-12-23 15:39:44] rabidtirades : noooooo :(
[2015-12-23 15:39:51] BitMEX_Wally : Hahaha
[2015-12-23 15:39:55] laisee : new name is "mathgenuis"
[2015-12-23 15:40:00] rabidtirades : why would you do that to me ?
[2015-12-23 15:40:08] habibi : shieet
[2015-12-23 15:40:09] rabidtirades : what rule did I violate ?
[2015-12-23 15:40:10] laisee : you failed the test
[2015-12-23 15:40:11] HowDoge : haha
[2015-12-23 15:40:16] habibi : which one is true rapidshares reverse indicator?
[2015-12-23 15:40:44] laisee : we need to know, billions resting on that signal.
[2015-12-23 15:41:13] rabidtirades : buy 14 lots of 24H then sell 11 lots of 7D, this way you are flat and make profit
[2015-12-23 15:41:20] BitMEX_Wally : rabidtirades: You have not broken any rules to get yourself banned
[2015-12-23 15:41:33] BitMEX_Wally : Impersonating others is against our terms and conditions though :)
[2015-12-23 15:41:36] BitMEX_Wally : Subject to terms and conditions. Terms subject to conditions and conditions subject to terms. Additional terms may be applied to conditions, in which event conditional terms may apply. Applicable conditions may terminate. Terminable terms may apply. For the avoidance of doubt, terminable conditions and applicable terms may apply or terminate without notice. Your house is probably not at risk.
[2015-12-23 15:42:31] rabidtirades : when did you get that I was impersonating someone ? because I said that long 14 and short 11 was flat ? :(
[2015-12-23 15:42:51] rabidtirades : I am really sad with my new nickname :(
[2015-12-23 15:43:01] laisee : the real rapidttrades would have replied with an insult.
[2015-12-23 15:43:05] BitMEX_Wally : rabidtirades: Would you like it renamed again?
[2015-12-23 15:43:16] rabidtirades : BitMEX_Wally: what do you have in mind ?
[2015-12-23 15:43:23] rabidtirades : rapidtirades would be better
[2015-12-23 15:43:28] BitMEX_Wally : k
[2015-12-23 15:43:38] rabidtirades : rapidtrades would be perfect, you can just remove the other one to something else ?
[2015-12-23 15:44:20] messiaen8844 : what about rekttrades?
[2015-12-23 15:44:33] BitMEX_Wally : Sure, you can both be rapidtrades
[2015-12-23 15:45:23] rapidtrades : hello, I am me again !
[2015-12-23 15:46:09] sleger : rapidtrades: How do you like the new me ?
[2015-12-23 15:47:05] habibi : guys market will colapse if u dont identify the true rapidtrades
[2015-12-23 15:47:13] habibi : it will just colapse not even go down or up
[2015-12-23 15:47:17] rapidtrades : well, it's me of course
[2015-12-23 15:47:26] habibi : lets test u
[2015-12-23 15:47:28] habibi : short or long?
[2015-12-23 15:47:32] rapidtrades : yes !
[2015-12-23 15:47:50] sleger : he's back I guess
[2015-12-23 15:49:30] rapidtrades : I'm spartacus!
[2015-12-23 15:50:13] rapidtrades : you're soooo fake it's not even funnt !
[2015-12-23 15:51:56] sleger : 90% of this chat is soon gonna be occupied by rapidtradess
[2015-12-23 15:54:57] justinlooking : whalebid okc is back
[2015-12-23 15:59:38] dr.rock : so you're not betting on bitcoin but the contract?
[2015-12-23 15:59:51] dr.rock : the two aren't tied together?
[2015-12-23 15:59:58] justinlooking : ?
[2015-12-23 16:00:12] rapidtrades : dr.rock: I have the same question
[2015-12-23 16:00:56] dr.rock : i put a long on last night, bitcoin goes up in price but my contract price plummeted
[2015-12-23 16:01:08] dr.rock : i don't get it
[2015-12-23 16:01:34] rapidtrades : Maybe you got a long short position ?
[2015-12-23 16:02:14] laisee : futures price is not perfectly correlated to cash/spot price, esp for long-dated contracts
[2015-12-23 16:02:51] sleger : dr.rock: which maturity did you buy ?
[2015-12-23 16:02:53] dr.rock : so how do you play it?
[2015-12-23 16:03:02] dr.rock : xbth16
[2015-12-23 16:03:32] chrisxbt : well that's due to sentiment and liquidity
[2015-12-23 16:04:54] dr.rock : so I'm to look at sentiment and liquidity over the charts?
[2015-12-23 16:04:58] sleger : dr.rock: its because of what chrisxbt just said but also because you're paying time decay
[2015-12-23 16:05:09] dr.rock : yes, i sort of get it
[2015-12-23 16:05:27] rapidtrades : can you explain me ?
[2015-12-23 16:05:57] dr.rock : seems like it's a tough win imo
[2015-12-23 16:06:42] sleger : traders here expect btcusd to be worth ~530 in march 2016. If you think it will be less sell, otherwise buy
[2015-12-23 16:08:34] BitMEX_Sam : I added the XBU7D announcement to the bullhorn
[2015-12-23 16:08:44] BitMEX_Sam : Click it for some more details on the new contract. Launches Christmas
[2015-12-23 16:09:59] sleger : settlement fee is ?
[2015-12-23 16:14:00] BitMEX_Arthur : 30bps
[2015-12-23 16:14:23] zanza : ". BitMEX will use the 20% equity remaining to close out the position at prevailing market prices." does that mean cascading margin call ?
[2015-12-23 16:14:35] BitMEX_Arthur : No it doesn't we don't ever submit market orders
[2015-12-23 16:14:42] zanza : got it
[2015-12-23 16:15:26] BitMEX_Arthur : I'm sure many of you have suggestions about things we can change to improve the product, i would appreciate it if you would shoot an email to support@bitmex.com so we can keep track
[2015-12-23 16:15:30] sleger : so if you take both sides that's .6% or around 2.5$ per btc per week.
[2015-12-23 16:16:17] zanza : yes, however its guaranteed settlement which factors in
[2015-12-23 16:16:44] zanza : hedging is important for some folks
[2015-12-23 16:16:49] sleger : with initial margin req of 30%, DPE is limited
[2015-12-23 16:17:19] sleger : BitMEX_Arthur: for XBT series, are you still considering making the settlement fee half of maker and taker ?
[2015-12-23 16:17:53] BitMEX_Arthur : Its an internal discussion but from what we have observed the open interest is tiny compared to trading volume
[2015-12-23 16:17:59] BitMEX_Arthur : So I don't see a reason that it needs to be altered
[2015-12-23 16:18:25] BitMEX_Arthur : Not many users hold these contracts over settlement, so it's a moot point
[2015-12-23 16:19:44] sleger : It is a point for the users who do though.
[2015-12-23 16:19:45] BitMEX_Arthur : I'm heading off, nightime for me in asia, as I said shoot support@bitmex.com a mail with any further comments on this
[2015-12-23 16:20:14] dr.rock : merry xmas arthur
[2015-12-23 16:20:24] BitMEX_Arthur : Merry Festivus
[2015-12-23 16:20:49] dr.rock : a Festivus for the rest of us
[2015-12-23 16:22:18] BitMEX_Sam : Hoping for some &btc; feats of strength this holiday
[2015-12-23 16:27:12] dr.rock : what time is the airing of the grievances?
[2015-12-23 16:30:01] dr.rock : here's hoping for a Festivus miracle!!!
[2015-12-23 16:30:18] gustavo7 : xbtmass
[2015-12-23 16:31:28] gustavo7 : so low volume here?
[2015-12-23 16:35:42] gustavo7 : took profit going to get cozy now
[2015-12-23 16:54:42] cryptostephen : Is the users count accurate here?
[2015-12-23 16:55:39] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, that's users viewing the site and Bots is users connected directly to the API websocket
[2015-12-23 17:05:50] TschavaTschigger : I agree with sledger about the settlement fee reduction btw, just for the record. it just doesn't make much sense atm.
[2015-12-23 17:10:45] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: hey Sam. sleger created rapidttrades to impersonate me then wally thought it was funny to rename it to rapidtrades...same as me. Sleger then made another account on irc, again rapidtrades. Can you do smth about this?
[2015-12-23 17:13:22] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: I've renamed the account - but in general, the trollbox is called that for a reason.
[2015-12-23 17:13:37] BitMEX_Sam : Re: IRC, we have no control over what people name their accounts on it, which is why we put the `(IRC)` flag on chats from there.
[2015-12-23 17:14:10] BitMEX_Sam : If someone is abusive, we can ban them from the channel, but I don't think he was being that bad.
[2015-12-23 17:25:57] habibi : i think rapidtrades created himself new accounts just to confuse global btc markets
[2015-12-23 17:26:19] habibi : so its kinda big try of manipulation, shame on ur rapid
[2015-12-23 17:28:54] jung1 : http://blockchainlondon.com/ anyone comming there?
[2015-12-23 17:48:37] cryptostephen : Can you educate me? I'm used to Okcoin's trigger orders when it comes to stops
[2015-12-23 17:48:54] cryptostephen : when i do a stop limit. the limit price is where the price needs to go and then it sets the stop price as my close order?
[2015-12-23 17:52:00] BitMEX_Wally : cryptostephen: The StopPx is the trigger price, and the limit price is the price you wish to execute at
[2015-12-23 17:52:19] BitMEX_Wally : If you are long I suggest setting a sell stop limit order with a limit price below the stop price, other wise it might not get executed
[2015-12-23 17:59:28] jung1 : only 2,5k volume?
[2015-12-23 18:01:54] jung1 : BitMEX_Wally: any option to add profit and loss % to calculator?
[2015-12-23 18:02:13] BitMEX_Wally : jung1: Good idea
[2015-12-23 18:03:05] jung1 : I used to close at 75% profit and 25% loss so will be easier to calculate it on site
[2015-12-23 18:03:17] BitMEX_Wally : Watch this space, we are working on OCO orders
[2015-12-23 18:03:53] jung1 : so whats on your to do list for next year?
[2015-12-23 18:04:23] BitMEX_Wally : Market orders, Stop orders, Trailing Stops, Post only orders, Hidden orders, Iceberg orders, OCO and OTO orders
[2015-12-23 18:04:40] jung1 : iceberg orders?
[2015-12-23 18:04:43] jung1 : whats that
[2015-12-23 18:04:56] BitMEX_Wally : Basically you can have an order for 1000 and only show 100 in the book
[2015-12-23 18:05:04] BitMEX_Wally : If that 100 is filled it replenishes and always shows 100
[2015-12-23 18:05:43] jung1 : nice
[2015-12-23 18:10:36] habibi : something we can meet on chinese exchanges pretty ofthen
[2015-12-23 18:22:06] cryptostephen : Thanks wally
[2015-12-23 18:23:25] jung1 : A boy asked his bitcoin-investing father for $10. Father: $9.82? What do you need $10.08 for?
[2015-12-23 18:24:28] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 10 @ 443.06
[2015-12-23 18:36:28] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 100 @ 443.90
[2015-12-23 18:36:30] cryptostephen : so what type of movement do you current need to get liquidated in 100x
[2015-12-23 18:36:38] cryptostephen : price moves how many dollars to liquidate
[2015-12-23 18:36:44] habibi : 0.5%
[2015-12-23 18:37:57] jung1 : around 3,5. Depends on your margin
[2015-12-23 18:39:52] habibi : 2.215$ from current price
[2015-12-23 18:40:41] cryptostephen : awesome lol
[2015-12-23 18:49:01] wurstgelee : its np, just dont be wrong when using isolated margin
[2015-12-23 18:49:04] wurstgelee : =)
[2015-12-23 18:58:20] jung1 : or trade good
[2015-12-23 18:58:55] Swedishnut : I suggest trade good
[2015-12-23 18:59:04] cryptostephen : wait I'm confused
[2015-12-23 18:59:09] cryptostephen : i have a long position i opened at 100x
[2015-12-23 18:59:19] cryptostephen : entry price was 440.79
[2015-12-23 18:59:19] Swedishnut : si
[2015-12-23 18:59:29] cryptostephen : price now is 443.44
[2015-12-23 18:59:39] cryptostephen : so isn't that $2.20 away? shouldn't it be 100% profit?
[2015-12-23 18:59:42] Swedishnut : so your up. but only profit if you sell above entry
[2015-12-23 18:59:49] cryptostephen : it says 61.81% profit right now
[2015-12-23 18:59:52] habibi : 2.2 is about 50%
[2015-12-23 19:00:16] cryptostephen : oh so price needs to be $4.4 away for a 100% profit?
[2015-12-23 19:00:17] habibi : and ur isolated position on standard margin get closed at -50%
[2015-12-23 19:00:34] cryptostephen : huh? ^ that confuses me. could you ELI5
[2015-12-23 19:00:38] habibi : price need to be 1%x100 above ur entry to be +100%
[2015-12-23 19:00:53] Swedishnut : si
[2015-12-23 19:01:41] cryptostephen : ohhh
[2015-12-23 19:01:47] habibi : exchange cant close ur isolated margins at -100% coz there is no room for closing it on market in case market moves upper
[2015-12-23 19:01:53] cryptostephen : thought somebody said price needed to move 0.5% to yield 100% profit
[2015-12-23 19:02:15] cryptostephen : but really, the price needs to move 1% which s $4.42 to yield 100% profit, right?
[2015-12-23 19:02:22] habibi : http://scr.hu/9xvi/bidhy read what u ask for
[2015-12-23 19:03:06] cryptostephen : i dont understand... which is it 0.5% or 1% to move to yield 100% profit?
[2015-12-23 19:03:54] habibi : u ask for liquidation
[2015-12-23 19:03:58] habibi : not for 100% profit
[2015-12-23 19:04:43] jung1 : cryptostephen: go to order options -> calc
[2015-12-23 19:04:56] jung1 : and you will see what will be your profit or loss
[2015-12-23 19:05:08] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 1500 @ 444.77
[2015-12-23 19:05:31] BitMEX_Wally : cryptostephen: If you have isolated margin enabled, then you are only using 1% margin. A 1% move will be a 100% return on equity
[2015-12-23 19:06:30] cryptostephen : ok thanks, can you explain the difference between isolated margin enabled and disabled?
[2015-12-23 19:06:33] cryptostephen : sorry, still learning
[2015-12-23 19:07:26] Swedishnut : No learning for you! J/k hugs and everyone here bites softly
[2015-12-23 19:07:39] messiaen8844 : rapidlearning
[2015-12-23 19:08:20] BitMEX_Wally : cryptostephen: Isolated vs Cross Margin changes your liquidation price
[2015-12-23 19:08:39] BitMEX_Wally : Cross margin means that your entire account balance is used
[2015-12-23 19:08:56] cryptostephen : so if I'm using my entire account balance in my position, it doesn't matter anyways
[2015-12-23 19:09:02] BitMEX_Wally : Yes
[2015-12-23 19:09:30] cryptostephen : is there an advantage to using cross margin? Lower liquidation price right?
[2015-12-23 19:09:41] cryptostephen : seems dangerous though if ur holding big amounts and trading with small positions
[2015-12-23 19:10:21] BitMEX_Wally : cryptostephen: You're absolutely right
[2015-12-23 19:10:29] BitMEX_Wally : The benefit is a lower liquidation price so it's up to your risk appetite
[2015-12-23 19:10:39] cryptostephen : Seems like terrible risk management haha
[2015-12-23 19:10:40] Swedishnut : in large motions you can get stuck or all gone liquidations. full account poof zero balance reload me add a coin kind of situations.
[2015-12-23 19:10:55] cryptostephen : ok thanks so much for the help. been a trader at okcoin for 3 years and got used to it. trying to get used to Bitmex now
[2015-12-23 19:11:01] cryptostephen : and provide liquidity however I can :)
[2015-12-23 19:11:02] jung1 : yeap quite dangerous
[2015-12-23 19:11:03] BitMEX_Wally : Welcome to BitMEX :)
[2015-12-23 19:11:10] jung1 : better add isolated and add some margin
[2015-12-23 19:11:29] cryptostephen : margin starts out isolated by default right?
[2015-12-23 19:11:45] BitMEX_Wally : cryptostephen: By default, but once your change it the setting is remembered per instrument
[2015-12-23 19:12:29] cryptostephen : and you change it by unchecking the box on the right that says isolated margin 53.77x?
[2015-12-23 19:12:32] cryptostephen : what is that number
[2015-12-23 19:12:37] cryptostephen : 55.18 now, its changin
[2015-12-23 19:12:50] BitMEX_Wally : That is your effective leverage
[2015-12-23 19:13:01] cryptostephen : i thought the leverage was 100x
[2015-12-23 19:13:10] cryptostephen : maybe I'm misunderstanding
[2015-12-23 19:13:11] BitMEX_Wally : gross position value divided by margin
[2015-12-23 19:13:22] cryptostephen : ahhh got it ok
[2015-12-23 19:13:22] jung1 : cryptostephen: go to order option
[2015-12-23 19:13:49] BitMEX_Wally : Leverage is 100x meaning you only have to put 1% in. If you turn on cross margin and see 50x is sounds like you have 2% in your account
[2015-12-23 19:14:00] habibi : BitMEX_Wally: i highly suggest to make kind of click by click tutorial to pass for new accounts so they can learn everything first on, people wouldnt go away so fast after bad decisions
[2015-12-23 19:14:45] habibi : i mean if u learn them how to trade here, maybe they will stay. thats what forex operators do
[2015-12-23 19:14:46] cryptostephen : haha yea I'm only playing with a small amount until i get comfortable so its cool
[2015-12-23 19:14:51] cryptostephen : ill check it out
[2015-12-23 19:14:58] BitMEX_Wally : habibi: Good idea
[2015-12-23 19:19:31] BitMEX_Wally : We have some new order types in testnet if you guys would like to try them out using the API
[2015-12-23 19:19:33] BitMEX_Wally : https://testnet.bitmex.com/api/explorer/#!/Order/Order_new
[2015-12-23 19:20:06] BitMEX_Wally : Trailing stops
[2015-12-23 19:20:08] BitMEX_Wally : Hidden orders
[2015-12-23 19:20:14] BitMEX_Wally : OneCancelsTheOther orders
[2015-12-23 19:20:18] BitMEX_Wally : OneTriggersTheOther orders
[2015-12-23 19:22:12] jung1 : make official forum
[2015-12-23 19:22:19] jung1 : will be also good
[2015-12-23 19:23:05] messiaen8844 : BitMEX_Wally: Really great stuff
[2015-12-23 19:23:17] messiaen8844 : congrats
[2015-12-23 19:23:22] BitMEX_Wally : :)
[2015-12-23 19:23:30] jung1 : ALL HAIL BITMEX
[2015-12-23 19:23:40] messiaen8844 : yep, they never fail to deliver
[2015-12-23 19:59:17] mrp1nk : got a message saying "too many requests, IP will be banned" after starting my computer from standby. I'm using Firefox 43.0.1. I observerved that FF performed some refreshs, despite bitmex working properly. Hope i don't get banned while beeing in a position :-)
[2015-12-23 19:59:45] mrp1nk : BitMEX_Wally: previous message was for you
[2015-12-23 20:02:20] STRML_phone : That could explain some of the slowness some users have reported in Firefox. I'll investigate. Your account will be fine.
[2015-12-23 20:04:34] mrp1nk : ok, thanks. Do you recommend any particular browser?
[2015-12-23 20:04:58] STRML_phone : Chrome/Chromium usually works best.
[2015-12-23 20:10:31] justinlooking : short brown trousers
[2015-12-23 20:28:27] not_rapidtrades : Guys, my account was hacked so I changed my name to not_*previousname*
[2015-12-23 20:28:44] not_rapidtrades : this way I also hope to make opposite pnl from before
[2015-12-23 20:31:18] justinlooking : make 10 consecurtive wrong calls to prove it :P
[2015-12-23 20:31:29] not_rapidtrades : I also found that computers can have bugs because they only use binary and unfortunately in some cases, 0 can be equal to 1... Proof is : From 11=14 by x2 we get 22=28 but with -20 we have 2=8, if we add 4 we get 6=12 and if we divide by 6 we get 1=2, but if we substract 1 we have 0=1 !!
[2015-12-23 20:32:20] not_rapidtrades : I already have submitted 1 patent (or 0 same thing...) so dont think about stealing my discoveries !
[2015-12-23 20:39:22] messiaen8844 : perhaps 11=14 if you divide by zero
[2015-12-23 20:39:39] not_rapidtrades : you dont get it
[2015-12-23 20:39:53] not_rapidtrades : it's too complicated, but it's ok don't worry about it
[2015-12-23 20:40:07] not_rapidtrades : when my bought comes online to trade here, you will all lose your monies
[2015-12-23 20:43:02] justinlooking : 11 is 14 in base 7
[2015-12-23 20:44:29] not_rapidtrades : guys, 11 is 14 we already went through that
[2015-12-23 20:44:57] not_rapidtrades : the premium btc on cny was 11 and 14 at the same time so 11=14, now you need to move on
[2015-12-23 20:46:54] mrp1nk : not sure if...
[2015-12-23 20:55:35] lockhedge : premium of XBTCNY vs. XBTUSD gets smaller, any ideas why?
[2015-12-23 20:56:03] sleger : cny appreciated last days against usd
[2015-12-23 20:56:25] not_rapidtrades : sleger: stop BSing
[2015-12-23 20:56:48] sleger : not_rapidtrades: so why do you think it did ? because it didnt change from 14 to 11 ?
[2015-12-23 20:59:28] not_rapidtrades : your passive-aggressive houmour is not houmourous
[2015-12-23 21:03:56] dr.rock : will the real rapidtrades please stand up?
[2015-12-23 21:05:12] not_rapidtrades : I can't, my mom's basement has low ceilings
[2015-12-23 21:10:40] lockhedge : sleger: yes but actually i meant XBTCNY in USD vs. XBTUSD. do you think the premium was so high mainly because people trading XBT speculated on an even higher cny depreciation? i wonder if USDCNY speculation is the only factor for the Chinese premium or it's as well some growing real money remittance business going on. a growing remittance business would generate steady demand. if on the other side the premium is mainly driven by forex speculation, only USDCNY volatility would generate XBTCNY volume.
[2015-12-23 21:11:12] sleger : lockhedge: yes, I think people anticipated more cny devaluation and it did not happen
[2015-12-23 21:12:02] lockhedge : sleger: so why is the premium still $6?
[2015-12-23 21:12:31] sleger : it's also that with devaluation comes fear of capital controls, so more people buy btc vs cny, but since its also somewhat possible to arb cny and usd then btcusd also increases, but with some lag
[2015-12-23 21:12:47] sleger : lockhedge: why do you think it would be ? 7 or 5 ?
[2015-12-23 21:13:13] not_rapidtrades : sleger: 5.5 and 7 are the same thing, just do x2
[2015-12-23 21:14:07] sleger : lockhedge: I cant explain you why it is exactly 6, but 6 is between 0 and what it was, so it makes sense
[2015-12-23 21:15:12] sleger : not_rapidtrades: sorry, this is a PG-18 rated discussion
[2015-12-23 21:21:11] drizzyjoe : hey
[2015-12-23 21:21:36] not_rapidtrades : drizzyjoe: duuuuuuude
[2015-12-23 21:22:21] drizzyjoe : not_rapidtrades: whatsup boss
[2015-12-23 21:24:11] drizzyjoe : anyone here offering a loan? would highly appreciate it, thanks
[2015-12-23 21:26:13] lockhedge : sleger: does not matter why 5, 6 or 7 but why steadily and significantly higher than XBTUSD? premium for XBTCNY spot is right now higher than USDCNY futures with 1 month maturity...
[2015-12-23 21:26:37] sleger : lockhedge: I explained why it went higher a few posts above
[2015-12-23 21:27:00] not_rapidtrades : drizzyjoe: how much do you need ? what maturity, what rate ?
[2015-12-23 21:27:51] drizzyjoe : not_rapidtrades: i only need a couple, 5-7.5 at most for now. 3 day loan, 17.5% return on loan
[2015-12-23 21:28:14] not_rapidtrades : drizzyjoe: seems legit, whats the adress you would need those on ?
[2015-12-23 21:28:36] drizzyjoe : not_rapidtrades: 1NfpUZeanmpLMayTyeFNF77AfqQYPWbD6P
[2015-12-23 21:29:30] dr.rock : deez nuts
[2015-12-23 21:29:32] not_rapidtrades : drizzyjoe: you have received 392btc and there is 0 left, why ?
[2015-12-23 21:30:07] drizzyjoe : not_rapidtrades: thats my blockchain account, i use it for my business, so all the money that comes in i reinvest
[2015-12-23 21:30:28] not_rapidtrades : I would do it for 25%, 3 days
[2015-12-23 21:31:19] drizzyjoe : not_rapidtrades: on a 5 Bitcoin loan for 3 day i will pay back 5.875 (17.5%) max i can do is 22.5%
[2015-12-23 21:31:48] drizzyjoe : which would be 6.115 btc returned on a 5 btc loan
[2015-12-23 21:33:21] not_rapidtrades : drizzyjoe: and you accept a known and reputable escrow from bitcointalk of course ?
[2015-12-23 21:33:53] drizzyjoe : not_rapidtrades: sure that is perfectly fine, i do not have a bitcointalk account though
[2015-12-23 21:34:10] cryptostephen : big move incoming
[2015-12-23 21:34:15] drizzyjoe : not_rapidtrades: what would be used as collateral
[2015-12-23 21:34:20] justinlooking : hopse so cryptostephen
[2015-12-23 21:34:28] not_rapidtrades : drizzyjoe: your other bitcoins held somewhere
[2015-12-23 21:34:59] drizzyjoe : not_rapidtrades: alll my coins are currently in cold storage or invested... thats the reason for the loan
[2015-12-23 21:35:43] not_rapidtrades : drizzyjoe: we are the FBI, we are locating your IP, and you will be persecuted for tentative of fraud
[2015-12-23 21:36:35] drizzyjoe : not_rapidtrades: lol ok buddy
[2015-12-23 21:37:11] not_rapidtrades : 22% for 3 days, but you're not a scammer right ?
[2015-12-23 21:37:34] not_rapidtrades : even I, can smell trouble
[2015-12-23 21:38:05] drizzyjoe : not_rapidtrades: i trade on futures and make back over 200% so yeah its worth it lol
[2015-12-23 21:39:12] habibi : lets do it
[2015-12-23 21:39:14] habibi : fair enought
[2015-12-23 21:39:18] not_rapidtrades : drizzyjoe: and you trade here, so you're ok that mods say your balance and returns ?
[2015-12-23 21:39:27] habibi : but i dont borrow smaller than 20 btc
[2015-12-23 21:39:35] habibi : how about 20 btc and 25 in return?
[2015-12-23 21:39:58] drizzyjoe : habibi: thats 25% and im not asking for that size of a loan
[2015-12-23 21:40:02] drizzyjoe : not_rapidtrades: sure
[2015-12-23 21:40:37] habibi : hm
[2015-12-23 21:41:10] not_rapidtrades : any mod online, can give his wallet balance and past performance to testify, he agreed to it ?
[2015-12-23 21:42:58] drizzyjoe : got a loan, but willing to accept another loan if anyone is willing, thanks
[2015-12-23 21:44:59] drizzyjoe : habibi: wanna do a loan?
[2015-12-23 21:46:38] wurstgelee : drizzyjoe: cold storage mh? import privkey into wallet, send coins, solved
[2015-12-23 21:47:14] sleger : his cold storage is likely coins already scammed though
[2015-12-23 21:48:10] wurstgelee : drizzyjoe: if u make 200% in 3 days, you can easily refill your "cold storage" in 2 days max
[2015-12-23 21:48:16] wurstgelee : lol, really....
[2015-12-23 21:51:56] wurstgelee : drizzyjoe: i would love to verify your "cold storage" though - address please? ;)
[2015-12-23 21:56:04] zanza : whatever drizzyjoe: offers I will double
[2015-12-23 22:00:51] zanza : snackycoins how is that oil long?
[2015-12-23 22:01:13] habibi : drizzyjoe: so intrested in that 20 btc loan?
[2015-12-23 22:04:25] drizzyjoe : habibi: lets do it
[2015-12-23 22:04:46] habibi : ok, first ur cold wallet adress
[2015-12-23 22:05:20] drizzyjoe : habibi: why
[2015-12-23 22:06:14] habibi : just to do some basic taint analysis
[2015-12-23 22:07:13] habibi : drizzyjoe: so?
[2015-12-23 22:09:30] zanza : can i give bitcoins to someone ?
[2015-12-23 22:11:24] micmix : drizzyjoe: wow, 22.5% in 3 days? do you need more than 3 &btc;?
[2015-12-23 22:11:45] drizzyjoe : micmix: i need just 5
[2015-12-23 22:12:35] micmix : we can do up to 100 OAC
[2015-12-23 22:12:46] drizzyjoe : micmix: ok
[2015-12-23 22:13:00] micmix : what country are you from?
[2015-12-23 22:13:31] drizzyjoe : micmix: curently in brazil
[2015-12-23 22:14:26] drizzyjoe : micmix: how do we do the loan
[2015-12-23 22:16:00] micmix : ok, we follow standard KYC/AML procedures so I will need a copy of your passport showing the passport # and your photo and confirmation of residency (bank statement or utility bill with your address). What's your email? I will send you the loan application form
[2015-12-23 22:19:44] micmix : After you fill out the form, submit all supporting documents and pay the processing fee we'll do background and credit check and approve your loan in 3 business days
[2015-12-23 22:19:52] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1000 @ 443.45
[2015-12-23 22:20:43] micmix : drizzyjoe: are you there?
[2015-12-23 22:21:58] drizzyjoe : micmix:cant wait 3 days
[2015-12-23 22:22:20] micmix : drizzyjoe: sorry, no 100 &btc; loan for you then
[2015-12-23 22:31:25] habibi : drizzyjoe: which city in brazil currently? i have 2 friends from there
[2015-12-23 22:31:48] habibi : in case of 20btc loan they can meet with u so u can sing papers
[2015-12-23 22:31:52] habibi : sign*:D
[2015-12-23 22:39:34] habibi : drizzyjoe: u said u got loan already, why its not on the adress u posted :(?
[2015-12-23 22:40:37] habibi : shieet:( scammers are so no talkative these days
[2015-12-23 22:42:06] wurstgelee : boring :|
[2015-12-23 23:42:28] zanza : i have extra Bitcoin, can i give it to anyone?
[2015-12-23 23:42:44] thehawthorne : leave your shitcoin with you merry christmas
[2015-12-23 23:42:49] thehawthorne : HEHEHEH
[2015-12-23 23:49:15] zanza : is that Fyrk?
[2015-12-23 23:52:23] zanza : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-23/devastated-short-who-launched-online-begging-campaign-fund-margin-call-was-right-kal
[2015-12-24 00:12:29] HowDoge : i will gladly take your bitcoins to trade lol :)
[2015-12-24 00:39:53] laisee : people offering free money here?
[2015-12-24 00:51:05] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 1000 @ 445.90
[2015-12-24 01:01:57] micmix : I'm giving out bitcoin loans, you just have to fill out the forms and pay a small processing fee (1% of loan amount) lol
[2015-12-24 01:03:30] mwalshe99 : can you loan me 0.0001 btc?
[2015-12-24 01:03:42] mwalshe99 : infact
[2015-12-24 01:03:46] mwalshe99 : 0.00011
[2015-12-24 01:03:50] mwalshe99 : need to cover transaction fee
[2015-12-24 01:04:06] mwalshe99 : ill send you dicpics?
[2015-12-24 01:05:54] micmix : if your application is declined it's not my fault, you have to work on your credit history :-) processing fees are not refundable of course
[2015-12-24 01:06:22] mwalshe99 : but
[2015-12-24 01:06:24] mwalshe99 : dicpics?
[2015-12-24 01:06:51] mwalshe99 : sorry its 1am here and i cant sleep. taking my boredom out on this chatbox
[2015-12-24 01:07:20] micmix : dicpics are accepted as long as we can see the passport page with the photo on the same picture :-)
[2015-12-24 01:07:36] mwalshe99 : but
[2015-12-24 01:07:41] mwalshe99 : its a really small dicpic
[2015-12-24 01:07:45] mwalshe99 : think pixel resolution
[2015-12-24 01:08:06] micmix : you have to work on the size of your dicpics
[2015-12-24 01:08:17] mwalshe99 : you sound just like my mother
[2015-12-24 01:08:33] micmix : maybe I am your mother, how would you know?
[2015-12-24 01:09:08] mwalshe99 : ahahaa
[2015-12-24 01:09:11] mwalshe99 : my dads fucked you
[2015-12-24 01:09:34] micmix : maybe he's not the only one :-)
[2015-12-24 01:09:40] mwalshe99 : O.O
[2015-12-24 01:10:18] mwalshe99 : aight. actual bedtime
[2015-12-24 01:10:54] mwalshe99 : breakout zones are 2940 w/ hold about 2952 for confirmation, same with 2905 and 2900
[2015-12-24 01:10:58] mwalshe99 : alarms set
[2015-12-24 01:11:00] mwalshe99 : have fun people
[2015-12-24 01:11:39] micmix : good night son
[2015-12-24 01:12:03] mwalshe99 : night mumma
[2015-12-24 01:19:35] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 600 @ 447.60
[2015-12-24 01:20:45] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 1654 @ 447.84
[2015-12-24 01:23:50] messiaen8844 : 7D cheaper than 24h
[2015-12-24 01:24:21] messiaen8844 : whoops, one more today to 7D
[2015-12-24 01:24:27] messiaen8844 : *one more day
[2015-12-24 01:37:24] zanza : paging snackycoins
[2015-12-24 01:37:28] zanza : rapidtrades
[2015-12-24 01:42:42] Swedishnut : eth down btc up. exp to blame?
[2015-12-24 01:45:10] laisee : Swedishnut: > usual pattern, though inverse correclation does not imply causation blah blah ...
[2015-12-24 01:48:08] Swedishnut : your right I agree. I think the market should be moving a bit more but that could be due to the holiday season
[2015-12-24 02:11:26] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 500 @ 450.15
[2015-12-24 02:11:27] thehawthorne : lol
[2015-12-24 02:11:29] thehawthorne : WTF
[2015-12-24 02:12:32] Swedishnut : santa?
[2015-12-24 02:12:37] zanza : wow, nic BC rally?
[2015-12-24 02:12:43] messiaen8844 : broke
[2015-12-24 02:12:45] zanza : BTC rally for Christmas
[2015-12-24 02:12:50] zanza : messiaen8844: ?
[2015-12-24 02:13:15] messiaen8844 : zanza: meant breakout
[2015-12-24 02:13:22] zanza : yeah seems so
[2015-12-24 02:13:26] zanza : 3130 is still resistance
[2015-12-24 02:13:26] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT7D: Buy 110 @ 453.67
[2015-12-24 02:13:46] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT7D: Buy 5000 @ 453.99
[2015-12-24 02:13:50] messiaen8844 : squeezing the shorts
[2015-12-24 02:16:17] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT7D: Buy 900 @ 454.79
[2015-12-24 02:19:14] Swedishnut : the resistance is weak the empire will rise again :P
[2015-12-24 02:31:06] Swedishnut : 475?
[2015-12-24 02:31:22] messiaen8844 : resistances before that
[2015-12-24 02:35:09] messiaen8844 : my target is about 3050/60 CNY
[2015-12-24 02:38:37] messiaen8844 : http://getjumbucks.com/settlement/ Xmas CLOCK