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[2015-12-24 02:42:07] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 956 @ 452.51
[2015-12-24 02:42:37] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1670 @ 452.33
[2015-12-24 02:54:27] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 11555 @ 454.36
[2015-12-24 02:55:41] dr.rock : nice move to the upside. it's a Festivus miracle!
[2015-12-24 02:56:29] laisee : feliz navidad!
[2015-12-24 03:01:28] Swedishnut : it is a merry christmas :)
[2015-12-24 03:06:07] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 670 @ 455.56
[2015-12-24 03:06:17] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 5100 @ 456.18
[2015-12-24 03:06:37] REKT : Liquidated short on XBTH16: Buy 550 @ 550.02
[2015-12-24 03:09:38] zanza : moon boys
[2015-12-24 03:12:21] SnackyCoins : ay ay AY AY
[2015-12-24 03:12:25] SnackyCoins : step off my orders dawg
[2015-12-24 03:22:53] dr.rock : just got back from seeing "the big short"
[2015-12-24 03:22:57] dr.rock : super, super good
[2015-12-24 03:23:15] laisee : dr.rock: > great news, I really liked the book.
[2015-12-24 03:23:44] dr.rock : it's serious and funny at the same time, highly recommend seeing it.
[2015-12-24 03:24:57] laisee : excellent. thought book was a great description of the whole meltdown.
[2015-12-24 03:26:07] dr.rock : the movie glosses over all the small details but covers the important matters from a layman's pov
[2015-12-24 03:26:38] dr.rock : and it almost ends like they're planning a sequel...which could be bad news
[2015-12-24 03:26:49] itmikeyg : I love the term "laymen". It sounds so insulting if you think about it.
[2015-12-24 03:27:20] dr.rock : "the only thing I know is that I know nothing" - Socrates
[2015-12-24 03:27:27] laisee : itmikeyg: > it is complex stuff and a lot was very new. so many in finance itself didnt understnd CDO
[2015-12-24 03:27:39] laisee : was partly involved, reviewed new credit trading system at US bank and asked to see the old one. Which was a spreadsheet with around 90BN in CD trades. Boom!
[2015-12-24 03:28:18] itmikeyg : I understand. It's funny how only normally economists and some finance people use the term laymen.
[2015-12-24 03:28:41] laisee : yes, it's usually done to make themselves look smart
[2015-12-24 03:29:41] itmikeyg : Lol agreed. I am looking forward to seeing the movie though.
[2015-12-24 03:30:01] laisee : very much looking forward to it.
[2015-12-24 03:30:28] itmikeyg : does anyone have any recommendations for books to read to help me trade these options?
[2015-12-24 03:31:26] laisee : you mean futures? or other instruments outside Bitmex?
[2015-12-24 03:31:51] dr.rock : laisee: 90bn wow. make that the bitcoin market cap tomorrow please ;0
[2015-12-24 03:32:22] itmikeyg : these futures. I want to use Bitmex I'm impressed by the interface tbh. I've never traded futures before.
[2015-12-24 03:32:44] laisee : hah. if you can invent Credit instrument that turns s**t into gold then 90BN would be nothing
[2015-12-24 03:33:52] laisee : itmikeyg: > there are some nice FAQ and articles on the site itself. See https://www.bitmex.com/app/faq
[2015-12-24 03:34:04] itmikeyg : cool thanks
[2015-12-24 03:51:13] zanza : is rally is very bullish
[2015-12-24 03:51:34] zanza : This rally is , could break 3130
[2015-12-24 04:34:09] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 924 @ 454.56
[2015-12-24 04:34:09] REKT : Close your longs, close your shorts, choppy waters ahead
[2015-12-24 04:37:01] dr.rock : close your shorts, btfd
[2015-12-24 04:37:26] habibi : 439
[2015-12-24 04:37:27] habibi : wtf
[2015-12-24 04:37:29] habibi : leeeel
[2015-12-24 04:42:07] chromaticcr : china is on 3k lol
[2015-12-24 04:49:30] zanza : 3015
[2015-12-24 04:49:31] zanza : wow
[2015-12-24 04:49:51] zanza : could get interesting, bank deposits closed also for holiday
[2015-12-24 04:50:01] zanza : ez manipulations?
[2015-12-24 04:58:27] zanza : soon all 3 XBT's will be in sync
[2015-12-24 05:12:32] billyboy402 : WAS THAT A MARGIN CALL AT 440 DROP
[2015-12-24 05:12:39] habibi : nope
[2015-12-24 05:12:50] habibi : someone just market sell :D
[2015-12-24 06:25:16] billyboy402 : even market close one 448 on 25th
[2015-12-24 07:19:22] chromaticcr : a stupid bot is lioterally giving out moeny....
[2015-12-24 07:35:38] laisee : chromaticcr: > it's the Xmas Bot
[2015-12-24 07:36:19] chromaticcr : I'm stock'd upon this hedging pair
[2015-12-24 07:37:29] chromaticcr : have a look at the cont that expire on Friday nad you'll get it XDD
[2015-12-24 09:17:21] cataquil : ahh finally my 7d in profit
[2015-12-24 09:17:36] cataquil : and sweetly so
[2015-12-24 09:21:47] cataquil : tap out the december high and REKT those twit whales
[2015-12-24 09:52:05] laisee : congrats cataquil. A nice Xmas present.
[2015-12-24 09:54:43] cataquil : had to bail some 24h on sunday
[2015-12-24 09:55:18] cataquil : but piled into 7D because it looked like it would take some time to work back up
[2015-12-24 09:55:29] cataquil : merry xmas laisee
[2015-12-24 10:15:38] rapidtrades : swaps on finex coming down nicely....only 0.037% now lol
[2015-12-24 10:24:37] not_rapidtrades : rapidtrades: lol
[2015-12-24 10:27:15] rapidtrades : I think sleger has a crush on me
[2015-12-24 10:29:05] not_rapidtrades : rapidtrades: dude, we both ate that guy
[2015-12-24 11:08:35] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 6 @ 456.31
[2015-12-24 11:20:00] justinlooking : ping
[2015-12-24 11:22:11] justinlooking : no one is bigger than the market - except that guy on okc
[2015-12-24 11:22:28] hellyeahent : Hi, Ive send 2015-12-23 14:50:46 Withdrawal -0.0116 XBT 1AYGgjZ8gp1B11fuv7bVKXvzD2Ridv2fjd Confirmed And in blockchain there is no transaction like that. How is that possible ?
[2015-12-24 11:23:15] hellyeahent : its neteller account: 23-12-2015 Bitcoin Declined 5.00 USD
[2015-12-24 11:50:54] sleger : Sellers on 24H wake up to close positions and save fees. (Sellers = Longs)
[2015-12-24 11:56:38] sleger : Seems longs not
[2015-12-24 11:56:54] sleger : as snart as shorts today (again)
[2015-12-24 11:57:19] sleger : but Arthur said it was a moot point so probably doesn't matter...
[2015-12-24 11:57:58] rapidtrades : any idea why okc.com spot has been trading above the rest of the market for +5 days now?
[2015-12-24 11:58:18] justinlooking : stop trolling us...
[2015-12-24 11:58:29] rapidtrades : $3 dollars premium atm
[2015-12-24 12:21:36] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 285 @ 455.73
[2015-12-24 12:36:16] chromaticcr : becoz it is the next mtgox
[2015-12-24 12:46:14] gustavo7 : nice turn on okcoin but wheres the volume
[2015-12-24 13:10:33] sleger : rapidtrades: "$3 dollars premium" ? lol
[2015-12-24 13:16:26] habibi : Merry Christmas!
[2015-12-24 13:16:38] justinlooking : u too habibi
[2015-12-24 13:17:15] habibi : Low fees, high PNLs,good entry points, eve better exit ones! :)
[2015-12-24 13:21:50] HowDoge : I have to say, as a novice trader that is always learning, I've found Bitmex to be the easiest to get to grips with. I may not be that profitable yet but I love it here :)
[2015-12-24 13:59:36] cataquil : what other platforms have you tried as a beginner?
[2015-12-24 14:01:13] SnackyCoins : wow nothing for sale on 24h
[2015-12-24 14:01:15] SnackyCoins : hope you aren't short
[2015-12-24 14:02:12] HowDoge : okcoin, finex, stamp,btcc,
[2015-12-24 14:03:28] HowDoge : nope :) ive been learning for months now but in the last couple weeks been giving day trading a shot
[2015-12-24 14:04:28] HowDoge : currently up 600% on my humble £20 :)
[2015-12-24 14:04:37] SnackyCoins : bears about to get rekt :O
[2015-12-24 14:05:20] SnackyCoins : if anyone is short and cant get out, assuming you want to, 7d expires tonight, you can flatten out w/ those
[2015-12-24 14:05:41] SnackyCoins : oh and the 25th too
[2015-12-24 14:07:22] cataquil : if you are up 600% then you are profitable
[2015-12-24 14:08:23] justinlooking : ^^ but bear in mind 24h is settled slightly differently top 7d.
[2015-12-24 14:08:27] justinlooking : should be negligible difference...
[2015-12-24 14:10:21] cataquil : liquidity premium?
[2015-12-24 14:12:04] justinlooking : daily uses 30min tradeblock index, but weekly month... use 2h
[2015-12-24 14:21:01] sleger : cataquil: what does liquidity premium mean ? (hint: nothing)
[2015-12-24 14:23:57] HowDoge : hehe, yea 600% is profitable. but im the first to admit I have plenty to learn. Could have easily been more like 1000% and it was at one point over the last couple weeks.
[2015-12-24 14:24:44] HowDoge : suffice to say, I have learnt lots and while im pleased with my humble gain I dont take it for granted
[2015-12-24 14:26:54] cataquil : stay humble, I took 2000 GBP to 250,000 in 18 months and it did go to my head
[2015-12-24 14:27:09] cataquil : that was in forex but trading all the same
[2015-12-24 14:27:48] HowDoge : wow, I havent touched forex. I got into trading through being inspired by altcoins and btc's emergence
[2015-12-24 14:28:41] HowDoge : after having attempted to mine bitcoins a few years eariler when it was nothing more than a command prompt tool
[2015-12-24 14:30:22] cataquil : I mined at the start, but thought it was a passing phase, after the rally, mt.gox passed and bitcoin was still around I rejoined
[2015-12-24 14:30:39] cataquil : I still mine thou
[2015-12-24 14:31:18] HowDoge : I missed the whole mt.gox era
[2015-12-24 14:31:22] HowDoge : fortunately
[2015-12-24 14:32:48] cataquil : yep me to. I opened an account but never funded it
[2015-12-24 14:33:14] BitMEX_Sam : I had bitcoins there, but thankfully saw the writing on the wall before it closed
[2015-12-24 14:33:30] BitMEX_Sam : There was a good 4-5mo period where they were being really sketchy with fiat.
[2015-12-24 14:34:16] HowDoge : I remember those reports coming up in my reddit feed :D
[2015-12-24 14:35:01] HowDoge : never really read into it at the time though
[2015-12-24 14:35:26] justinlooking : sam: seen the regex crossword on hn?
[2015-12-24 14:35:36] justinlooking : https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/gregable/puzzle.html
[2015-12-24 14:35:50] justinlooking : similar thing came up a while back
[2015-12-24 14:36:19] BitMEX_Sam : Ahah I like it.
[2015-12-24 14:36:39] justinlooking : careful is a real time sink
[2015-12-24 14:37:32] BitMEX_Sam : No kidding
[2015-12-24 14:37:33] BitMEX_Sam : I already started
[2015-12-24 14:38:30] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Sam: oderbook d7
[2015-12-24 14:38:48] BitMEX_Sam : I see it
[2015-12-24 14:38:53] TschavaTschigger : not as annoying as last time since you can see 1-2 orders.. but still
[2015-12-24 14:39:09] BitMEX_Sam : Right. Somebody being cheeky
[2015-12-24 14:40:27] BitMEX_Sam : We'll keep an eye on it. I've noted the account. If it starts blocking the book we'll take action
[2015-12-24 14:40:53] cataquil : luckily I can google any regex I need
[2015-12-24 14:41:54] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: what's wrong ? Maybe order size should be increased if orders of 1 are prohibiteed
[2015-12-24 14:42:39] BitMEX_Sam : The issue is intentionally blocking the book. We're working to expose the full book so it won't be an issue
[2015-12-24 14:43:14] SnackyCoins : i group by .1, haven't noticed 8)
[2015-12-24 14:43:27] BitMEX_Sam : There is no reason to increase the contract size. Not only would it be confusing and breaking to existing customers, but it wouldn't fix the issue
[2015-12-24 14:43:40] sleger : the problem is that it only shows top 25 orders
[2015-12-24 14:43:55] BitMEX_Sam : Right. And that's what we're working on fixing, but in order to do so we have to trim the orderbook diffs.
[2015-12-24 14:44:07] sleger : but yes increasing would fix the issue as then top 25 orders would be meaningful enough
[2015-12-24 14:44:17] BitMEX_Sam : The full data is available but we don't want to push that much to browser users.
[2015-12-24 14:44:31] sleger : the problem now is that orders of 1 are considered irrelevant, otherwise it wouldnt matter
[2015-12-24 14:44:35] BitMEX_Sam : That's what grouping is for. There's no reasonable order size that would stop people from blanketing the book while still being small enough to trade effectively
[2015-12-24 14:45:00] sleger : I think there is : 100 lots min with 0.1 step size
[2015-12-24 14:45:31] sleger : There is no need for steps of 0.01 when average bid-ask spread is around 50x more
[2015-12-24 14:46:00] sleger : Look at any other real markets (equities, fx, bonds...) : usually the average spread is 1 to 3 times the step sizer
[2015-12-24 14:46:09] SnackyCoins : just group your damn book lol
[2015-12-24 14:46:30] Swedishnut : group up works like it should :)
[2015-12-24 14:47:26] sleger : Swedishnut: you guys are wrong, if i put 25 orders of 1 in front you wont see anything else
[2015-12-24 14:47:32] TschavaTschigger : grouping doesn't fix the issue here
[2015-12-24 14:47:32] nickhnt : 7D orderbook doesnt show orders above 459
[2015-12-24 14:48:05] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, we're aware of the issue and we're going to expose the full book to browser clients in the near future, so grouping will work on the entire book..
[2015-12-24 14:48:10] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: the reason I put the orders of 1 (it's me again) it's because I find it super annoying when I put an order for 1k or more and someone (or bot) front runs me with a small order 0.01 in front of me
[2015-12-24 14:48:26] SnackyCoins : you can't see the full book? you can when you hit the expansion arrows right?
[2015-12-24 14:48:34] sleger : SnackyCoins: no : 25 limits
[2015-12-24 14:48:40] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, I'm aware it's you.
[2015-12-24 14:48:43] nickhnt : BitMEX_Sam: thx
[2015-12-24 14:48:56] SnackyCoins : oic. yep, thought it used to be bigger
[2015-12-24 14:49:27] sleger : But these are bona fide orders, I want to sell, but i'm annoyed the way it works. Larger min order size, bigger step size, would avoid this useless front running
[2015-12-24 14:49:32] TschavaTschigger : sleger: I think you are misusing the term "frontrunning"
[2015-12-24 14:49:51] justinlooking : sleger: maybe we should trade in 1/32nd increments coz that's how us 10yr notes do it on cbot :P
[2015-12-24 14:49:53] sleger : no because it is actually stealing my time priority without "really" improving the price
[2015-12-24 14:50:03] SnackyCoins : i am not wasting time leapfrogging over 25 contracts, gotta put up at least 6k over me to get me to move
[2015-12-24 14:50:05] sleger : so I used front running intentionally
[2015-12-24 14:50:40] TschavaTschigger : still, that's not what frontrunning is
[2015-12-24 14:50:51] SnackyCoins : every 0.000001% counts i guess 8)
[2015-12-24 14:50:55] sleger : TschavaTschigger: I know what front running is. And this is very similar
[2015-12-24 14:51:10] BitMEX_Wally : Front running is when you see an order before it hits the market and trade ahead of it. This is under-cutting
[2015-12-24 14:51:20] BitMEX_Wally : Otherwise known as competition
[2015-12-24 14:51:25] TschavaTschigger : it's not similar but ok.. exactly @BitMEX_Wally
[2015-12-24 14:51:38] sleger : BitMEX_Wally: stealing time priority is kind of front running, but made possible because of non optimal rules/setup
[2015-12-24 14:52:20] justinlooking : if it's at a different price, how can it steal time priority?
[2015-12-24 14:52:22] sleger : current setup is really ideal for bots, but an exchange with only bots doesnt last
[2015-12-24 14:52:23] SnackyCoins : http://i.imgur.com/xQvzV6y.jpg
[2015-12-24 14:52:27] BitMEX_Wally : Are there any other Bitcoin markets with a tick size greater than 0.01?
[2015-12-24 14:52:46] sleger : justinlooking: it is a different price but as I said not "really" different, as in most users dont care
[2015-12-24 14:53:00] sleger : BitMEX_Wally: I thought you were trying to improve upon other exchanges, not just copy them ?
[2015-12-24 14:53:07] SnackyCoins : sleger hates computer trading :)
[2015-12-24 14:53:42] sleger : SnackyCoins: no I have a bot that trades a decent part of the exchange volume, but for manual trading I think it could be way better
[2015-12-24 14:53:44] SnackyCoins : bot can jump in front of my order and i don't know how to write something to do that ;(
[2015-12-24 14:53:47] TschavaTschigger : even if you repeat it 10x more times, it's still not similar or "kind of". frontrunning is, by definition, trading on information of a pending order that hasn't hit the orderbook. and that is factually not happening here.
[2015-12-24 14:54:04] BitMEX_Wally : ICBIT has a tick size of $1
[2015-12-24 14:54:13] sleger : BitMEX_Wally: it's called orderbook now
[2015-12-24 14:54:23] sleger : But they were always a small exchange
[2015-12-24 14:55:22] BitMEX_Wally : sleger: We now support trailing stops as a pegged order type (live in testnet). Would you be interested in pegged orders where you can peg to the best-bid?
[2015-12-24 14:55:37] BitMEX_Wally : (within a limit price of course)
[2015-12-24 14:55:45] sleger : peg means join ? cant we improve by 0.01 automatically ?
[2015-12-24 14:55:59] sleger : because then I can steal time priority at a tiny cost
[2015-12-24 14:56:25] sleger : You should do peg + improvement until some price limit
[2015-12-24 14:56:30] SnackyCoins : is that similar to OKC's BBO function?
[2015-12-24 14:56:42] justinlooking : sounds like it snacky
[2015-12-24 14:56:51] sleger : got to go but will read the convo after
[2015-12-24 14:56:59] SnackyCoins : I'd +1 that
[2015-12-24 15:02:02] BitMEX_Wally : SnackyCoins: I thought BBO orders on OKC were just market orders?
[2015-12-24 15:02:17] dr.rock : is the new June contract on it's way? maybe tonight?
[2015-12-24 15:02:29] BitMEX_Wally : I was proposing a limit order that joins the BBO and moves up/down as the BBO moves
[2015-12-24 15:02:53] BitMEX_Wally : dr.rock: It will be launched tomorrow, Friday 12:00 UTC
[2015-12-24 15:03:08] dr.rock : ty
[2015-12-24 15:03:12] SnackyCoins : No, it places a limit for whatever the other side of the book is, doesn't get filled right away necessarily
[2015-12-24 15:03:47] BitMEX_Wally : Ahh, so if I place a BBO buy and the market is 450/452 it will just place a limit order at 452?
[2015-12-24 15:04:31] SnackyCoins : yeah, I haven't noticed any consideration for the size of the order at 452 either
[2015-12-24 15:05:46] SnackyCoins : often if it's small and you're trying to fomo in you will have to cancel and replace another bbo order
[2015-12-24 15:06:00] BitMEX_Wally : I was thinking about a pegged order so that if the market is 450/452 I can place buy order with limit price of 455 (say) but pegged to the bid
[2015-12-24 15:06:24] BitMEX_Wally : The order will join the bid at 450
[2015-12-24 15:06:31] BitMEX_Wally : And if the bid moves up/down the order moves too
[2015-12-24 15:06:33] SnackyCoins : well what happens when a lot of people do that and the asks dry up?
[2015-12-24 15:06:40] SnackyCoins : oh nm i get it
[2015-12-24 15:07:39] SnackyCoins : you can only fomo as hard as some number plus the best bid :) sounds okay, were you thinking IOC like the close limit?
[2015-12-24 15:08:23] BitMEX_Wally : IOC means immediate or cancel
[2015-12-24 15:08:33] BitMEX_Wally : An IOC order cannot join the order book
[2015-12-24 15:10:21] SnackyCoins : Guess i'm confused on how this would potentially execute, I was thinking it was basically a semi automatic limit into the book with a cap on it
[2015-12-24 15:10:54] SnackyCoins : then cancel any unfilled portion, like the close limit
[2015-12-24 15:11:17] BitMEX_Wally : I'm proposing an order that rests in the order book on the best bid
[2015-12-24 15:11:37] BitMEX_Wally : and as the best bid moves, this order is automatically moved up and don
[2015-12-24 15:11:58] SnackyCoins : Oh, hmm
[2015-12-24 15:12:25] sleger : Too easy to manipulate with orders of 1
[2015-12-24 15:12:27] SnackyCoins : Never used an order like that, the bbo at okc doesn't move
[2015-12-24 15:13:10] BitMEX_Wally : sleger: Yeah I'm just wondering what kind of orders would solve this 'under cutting' issue for you
[2015-12-24 15:18:43] cataquil : he is only being undercut by 25 contracts against his 1000 by time priority after best price priority is matched by the matching algo.
[2015-12-24 15:18:50] TschavaTschigger : you can't really solve it and it's not really an issue. bots are just placing orders in front of him, don't know whats so wrong about that. especially since the orders placed are incredibly small.
[2015-12-24 15:19:42] cataquil : unless a colocated is constantly placing 25 lot orders over and over
[2015-12-24 15:19:51] cataquil : which could be the case
[2015-12-24 15:19:55] sleger : Whats wrong with a tick size of 0.1?
[2015-12-24 15:20:24] dr.rock : im sry, im dumb. can someone explain the "bots" and why we need them?
[2015-12-24 15:21:18] sleger : Why wouldthey be forbidden?
[2015-12-24 15:21:46] TschavaTschigger : dr.rock: they are providing liquidity by placing limit orders... they make the spread small so you have to pay less then you place a taker
[2015-12-24 15:23:19] dr.rock : makes sense, so the "other side of the trade" is a robot so to speak?
[2015-12-24 15:23:36] TschavaTschigger : dr.rock: usually, yes
[2015-12-24 15:25:45] TschavaTschigger : since they can adjust their orders much faster to the underlying (bitcoin markets) than humans, marketmaking is just something that bots excel at
[2015-12-24 15:27:01] TschavaTschigger : when bitmex introduces special kinds of orders, it will also make sense to manually marketmake though (to some extend)
[2015-12-24 15:29:20] dr.rock : so to that end, is it like playing a computer at chess? as in very few humans can beat them?
[2015-12-24 15:30:12] dr.rock : or are they strictly for liquidity?
[2015-12-24 15:30:20] cataquil : not for mm bots, unlless you are a scalper
[2015-12-24 15:30:41] cataquil : if you swing trade your time frame is different than an mm
[2015-12-24 15:31:07] cataquil : although some mm might have accumulation algo running on standard deviation
[2015-12-24 15:31:25] cataquil : but I would suppose that would entail some 'manual' oversight
[2015-12-24 15:34:26] cataquil : personally I like the little 0.01 queue jumper bot
[2015-12-24 15:34:42] cataquil : it allows me to build up a position in bit sizes
[2015-12-24 15:35:27] cataquil : I just click it and it fills out my quantity and price and I pull the trigger
[2015-12-24 15:36:03] dr.rock : cataquil: i sort of see know how it works. i really appreciate your insights.
[2015-12-24 15:41:00] dr.rock : i've gotten super good bids before and others are totally out of the ballpark, so i'll learn to watch more carefully now that i know a little more
[2015-12-24 16:06:06] dr.rock : lucky 3000
[2015-12-24 16:10:43] billyboy402 : oh cool ., xbu has weekly
[2015-12-24 16:27:01] chromaticcr : seems like we are getting ready with the new cont/s
[2015-12-24 16:34:50] messiaen8844 : ordering 7D by 0.25 = only 3 orders?? is that because 25 orders were grouped together as 3? seems like a bug
[2015-12-24 16:34:58] messiaen8844 : (on the sell side)
[2015-12-24 16:35:26] BitMEX_Sam : messiaen8844: That's because we have a user blanketing it with 1 contract orders
[2015-12-24 16:35:37] BitMEX_Sam : And the UI only receives a 25-deep book. We're aware of the issue and will expand it out
[2015-12-24 16:36:32] messiaen8844 : right, thanks
[2015-12-24 16:36:34] sleger : messiaen8844: i removed some orders, might be better now
[2015-12-24 16:38:57] messiaen8844 : sleger: I was already placing some ridicously high-priced sells, just in case someone market buys lol
[2015-12-24 16:45:00] justinlooking : oh look there's a JUNE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[2015-12-24 16:45:29] Swedishnut : June?
[2015-12-24 16:46:02] justinlooking : XBTM16 refresh
[2015-12-24 16:46:15] cryptostephen : MAXcoin is about to get pumped on Bittrex
[2015-12-24 16:46:22] BitMEX_Sam : Right, That will start tomorrow at 12 UTC
[2015-12-24 17:17:12] HowDoge : would love to see maxcoin here one day !
[2015-12-24 17:19:22] zanza : hyoe
[2015-12-24 17:19:31] zanza : June hype
[2015-12-24 17:26:24] zanza : maxcoin wut
[2015-12-24 17:27:09] zanza : Im waiting for them to delist ETH here :)
[2015-12-24 17:30:07] dr.rock : ether is long term
[2015-12-24 17:30:34] dr.rock : it's the future of tracking
[2015-12-24 17:32:12] dr.rock : linking you everything you do your whole life on the blockchain...it's not going away
[2015-12-24 17:32:25] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: didn't the blog post say the leverage for the new hedging contract is 3/1?
[2015-12-24 17:32:25] dr.rock : :)
[2015-12-24 17:32:57] BitMEX_Sam : It's the same as XBU always has been
[2015-12-24 17:33:03] BitMEX_Sam : 30% initial, 20% maintenance.
[2015-12-24 17:33:24] rapidtrades : that's 3.3/1 though not 5
[2015-12-24 17:33:39] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, it is. And that's what the announcement says as well
[2015-12-24 17:33:56] not_rapidtrades : rapidtrades: So it was never 3 anyways, why did you say 3 ?
[2015-12-24 17:35:14] not_rapidtrades : 5 is margin requirement which is not the saime thing
[2015-12-24 17:35:26] messiaen8844 : to be or not to be?
[2015-12-24 17:35:31] messiaen8844 : to 11 or to 14?
[2015-12-24 17:35:36] HeWhoTradesRapid : ok
[2015-12-24 17:35:58] HeWhoTradesRapid : Sam I have a lot of suggestions would you like to hear them ?
[2015-12-24 17:35:58] not_rapidtrades : look, I did not say earlier the premium was $2 of cny vs usd
[2015-12-24 17:36:40] not_rapidtrades : HeWhoTradesRapid: be careful or you might be renamed to not_not_rapidtrades
[2015-12-24 17:36:49] HeWhoTradesRapid : I think all orders should be market since OKCon does it like that
[2015-12-24 17:36:54] messiaen8844 : double negation , so he might be the real one
[2015-12-24 17:37:02] HeWhoTradesRapid : so you should change your website to be like that
[2015-12-24 17:37:21] 11==14 : Also all orders should be at the same time multiples of 11 and 14, because maths
[2015-12-24 17:37:23] HeWhoTradesRapid : Also you should switch to PHP, I heard that was good
[2015-12-24 17:39:10] HeWhoTradesRapid : Also add in DogeCoin contracts to replace all XBT's
[2015-12-24 17:39:57] 11==14 : my name says it all, you know I am the real rapid now !
[2015-12-24 17:40:08] HeWhoTradesRapid : that is true
[2015-12-24 17:44:09] rapidtrader : should I open a long or short here?
[2015-12-24 17:44:22] sleger : rapidtrader: both of course
[2015-12-24 17:44:36] rapidtrader : yeah, that why i always make $
[2015-12-24 17:44:52] sleger : Then when the market moves, you close the losing one, and you always end up with winning position and $$$
[2015-12-24 18:03:45] Gomezpl : Point for You!
[2015-12-24 18:43:32] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 2044 @ 456.18
[2015-12-24 20:42:50] rapidtrader : hi all
[2015-12-24 21:05:20] rapidtrader : don't pretend that you have a life
[2015-12-24 21:05:27] rapidtrader : not posting before Christmas
[2015-12-24 21:05:59] dr.rock : santa needs to visit an exchange and load the sleigh
[2015-12-24 22:23:00] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: the most compact representation of orderbook diffs is price,quantity array of changed bids/asks with quantity=0 if bid/ask at that price was removed
[2015-12-24 22:24:04] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: the problem with orderbook levels that you use now is that removing the top order shifts all levels and you have to send all levels as the diff
[2015-12-24 22:26:22] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: we are storing orderbook history as price,quantity diffs and the size of diffs is smaller than size of top 10 for most exchanges, so you will actually save bandwidth if you switch from top 25 to diffs
[2015-12-25 00:23:27] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 972 @ 458.29
[2015-12-25 00:35:11] zanza : hey rapidtrades you trading today?
[2015-12-25 00:49:38] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 255 @ 460.54
[2015-12-25 01:54:11] uiop : is XBU7D delisted?
[2015-12-25 01:55:41] darchray : Does canceling your order with unrealized PNL, takes the high taker fee?
[2015-12-25 01:55:44] darchray : how to avoid taker fee?
[2015-12-25 01:56:39] uiop : oh nm, it's not live yet
[2015-12-25 01:57:21] darchray : I mean, I experience massive deduction everytime I close my contract >_<
[2015-12-25 01:58:11] darchray : the close market button? and there's a + profit on PNL, . somehow its not what I expect to reflect on my balance >_< is the taker's fee charge on me if I do that action?
[2015-12-25 02:03:33] itmikeyg : does anyone have that link of the FAQ's about futures on the bitmex website? someone sent it to me yesterday but i lost it.
[2015-12-25 02:11:07] darchray : how long does it takes to withdraw on bitmex? what does it mean +13 UTC?
[2015-12-25 02:15:34] dr.rock : Universal Coordinated Time
[2015-12-25 02:16:01] Darchray : hey guys, can I ask how long does it take to withdraw deposit from Bitmex? and what does it mean by +13 UTC?, I'm from PHilippines with +8GMT
[2015-12-25 02:28:31] zanza : https://www.bitmex.com/app/faq#when-are-bitcoin-withdrawals-processed
[2015-12-25 02:46:56] billyboy402 : Darchray:pretty much you have miss today widraws , and wiill have to wait another 12 hours
[2015-12-25 02:56:46] darchray : my withdrawal missed?, I withdraw last night >_<
[2015-12-25 02:57:31] SnackyCoins : check on wallet page
[2015-12-25 02:57:52] SnackyCoins : https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2015-12-25 02:57:54] zanza : withdraw happens right after daily settlement
[2015-12-25 02:58:02] SnackyCoins : 1h after daily settle
[2015-12-25 02:58:03] zanza : 1 hour
[2015-12-25 02:58:11] zanza : SnackyCoins: how is your oil ?
[2015-12-25 02:58:17] darchray : oh ic, so 9 more hours?
[2015-12-25 02:58:21] SnackyCoins : 8) ssssssmokin'
[2015-12-25 02:58:29] zanza : did you have Snp also ?
[2015-12-25 02:58:43] SnackyCoins : i fomoed in some
[2015-12-25 02:58:51] SnackyCoins : i didn't have a good entry on that one
[2015-12-25 02:58:53] zanza : SnackyCoins: simplefx?
[2015-12-25 02:58:58] dr.rock : santa we need you!
[2015-12-25 02:59:21] SnackyCoins : no, traditional broker. i was already all in oil with btc xD
[2015-12-25 02:59:46] zanza : :o
[2015-12-25 02:59:55] zanza : good luck, do you have an exit?
[2015-12-25 03:00:30] dr.rock : yep, no way mrs santa isn't buying the dip here
[2015-12-25 03:01:00] SnackyCoins : https://www.tradingview.com/x/msiNFjRp/
[2015-12-25 03:01:19] zanza : 73 ROFL
[2015-12-25 03:01:36] SnackyCoins : https://www.tradingview.com/x/6nbujTcE/
[2015-12-25 03:01:43] zanza : you just going off pure charting ?
[2015-12-25 03:01:45] SnackyCoins : its a long term trade ;)
[2015-12-25 03:01:56] SnackyCoins : i will be in this position for months
[2015-12-25 03:02:59] SnackyCoins : that weekly chart... c'mon bro
[2015-12-25 03:03:05] SnackyCoins : how do you not long that weekly chart
[2015-12-25 03:03:39] zanza : well US just passed law to export oil
[2015-12-25 03:03:45] SnackyCoins : but yeah, $73 come august/sept
[2015-12-25 03:03:47] zanza : you gotta factor in news
[2015-12-25 03:03:50] SnackyCoins : yep and war on the way
[2015-12-25 03:04:06] SnackyCoins : us export is bullish
[2015-12-25 03:04:13] SnackyCoins : WTI oil only comes from america
[2015-12-25 03:04:30] SnackyCoins : you will notice the day the law passed, BRENT premium vanished instantly
[2015-12-25 03:05:15] SnackyCoins : so even if asia is in the shitter, with huge supply glut everywhere, ANY extra consumption for WTI is bullish for WTI
[2015-12-25 03:06:12] SnackyCoins : bombs getting dropped on oil rigs in the middle east as we speak too
[2015-12-25 03:06:51] zanza : how do I make a chart like you did? with the blue color?
[2015-12-25 03:06:56] zanza : i want to show you something
[2015-12-25 03:07:26] SnackyCoins : on tradingview? what part did you want to make blue
[2015-12-25 03:07:40] SnackyCoins : thats just a tradingview chart i setup to colors i liked
[2015-12-25 03:07:45] zanza : background? just something to look cool
[2015-12-25 03:07:50] zanza : ok
[2015-12-25 03:08:05] SnackyCoins : gear icon on the bottom right does the background
[2015-12-25 03:09:04] SnackyCoins : we hit 2009 bottom level btw... hard to imagine we can go much lower
[2015-12-25 03:09:17] SnackyCoins : maybe some stop runs to a new low at best
[2015-12-25 03:10:04] SnackyCoins : imo oil is BTFD until fall 2016
[2015-12-25 03:11:20] zanza : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/USDRUB/kJSKQCp3-Snacky/
[2015-12-25 03:14:19] SnackyCoins : i used to trade that a bit during the summer when btc sucked
[2015-12-25 03:14:33] SnackyCoins : hated that it was only open 1 session though
[2015-12-25 03:15:03] zanza : yeah that does suck
[2015-12-25 03:15:11] zanza : I figure RUB/oil are related also quite a bit
[2015-12-25 03:15:32] SnackyCoins : the camera button btw gives a quick link to an image, instead of having to publish an idea
[2015-12-25 03:15:43] SnackyCoins : next to the twitterbird
[2015-12-25 03:18:46] uiop : does anyone know what the rest url is for getting the curr val of one of the indexes, like say .XBT or .XBT30M or .XBT2H ?
[2015-12-25 03:19:04] uiop : i cant seem to figure it out from the documentation
[2015-12-25 03:20:08] zanza : micmix paging
[2015-12-25 03:22:10] uiop : oh nm, i found it
[2015-12-25 03:22:13] zanza : SnackyCoins: what do you think about SnP? i kind of want to take a position
[2015-12-25 03:22:40] SnackyCoins : https://www.tradingview.com/x/l04lZp3O/ here is a shorter term oil target for you xD
[2015-12-25 03:22:57] SnackyCoins : i fomoed into S&P ETFS, hold on
[2015-12-25 03:23:59] SnackyCoins : https://www.tradingview.com/x/5pM0DCfO/
[2015-12-25 03:24:13] SnackyCoins : moon
[2015-12-25 03:24:15] SnackyCoins : straight up
[2015-12-25 03:24:33] SnackyCoins : maybe some chop before, _probably_ could have gotten a better entry than i did
[2015-12-25 03:25:14] SnackyCoins : https://www.tradingview.com/x/o9NoMFTT/
[2015-12-25 03:28:10] SnackyCoins : good time to be USD
[2015-12-25 03:28:27] SnackyCoins : fun idea, strong dollar is bad for yuan
[2015-12-25 03:28:37] SnackyCoins : btc is priced by china
[2015-12-25 03:28:49] SnackyCoins : actually i think this was in a bitmex digest 8)
[2015-12-25 03:29:26] SnackyCoins : moral: strong dollar = higher btc
[2015-12-25 03:32:41] zanza : so you think SNP 500 going up more?
[2015-12-25 03:34:48] SnackyCoins : after we fully retraced the rate hike drop? yes
[2015-12-25 03:35:30] zanza : interesting!
[2015-12-25 03:35:45] SnackyCoins : i mean, that was the chance
[2015-12-25 03:35:58] SnackyCoins : the market was already bloody pre-announcement
[2015-12-25 03:36:06] zanza : yup
[2015-12-25 03:36:08] SnackyCoins : so bloody people thought she might not do it
[2015-12-25 03:36:17] zanza : i thnk we could see 2100 soon
[2015-12-25 03:36:51] SnackyCoins : new highs soon enough
[2015-12-25 03:42:35] zanza : 8 hours for new June contract
[2015-12-25 03:43:02] SnackyCoins : oh piss
[2015-12-25 04:27:15] eV : dat ders sum stronk bid support on 7d
[2015-12-25 06:13:04] Swedishnut : Santa on his way?
[2015-12-25 06:16:41] Swedishnut : Yep
[2015-12-25 06:47:17] 24hourz : zanza: what will the open amount be ?
[2015-12-25 06:47:32] Swedishnut : 444?
[2015-12-25 06:52:10] chromaticcr : Santa bot is at XBTZ15 and XBT7D again
[2015-12-25 08:03:28] cekseh : massive rekt time
[2015-12-25 08:03:34] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 9000 @ 457.72
[2015-12-25 08:03:34] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 690 @ 457.60
[2015-12-25 08:03:34] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 400 @ 457.94
[2015-12-25 08:03:34] REKT : HODL HODL HODL
[2015-12-25 08:03:34] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 700 @ 457.70
[2015-12-25 08:03:34] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1924 @ 456.38
[2015-12-25 08:03:34] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 590 @ 456.24
[2015-12-25 08:03:34] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 450 @ 457.32
[2015-12-25 08:03:34] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 14 @ 456.80
[2015-12-25 08:03:38] macios15 : damn going down
[2015-12-25 08:03:44] macios15 : like mofo
[2015-12-25 08:03:54] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 14289 @ 454.37
[2015-12-25 08:04:29] cekseh : sooo much rektage!
[2015-12-25 08:04:30] cekseh : =)
[2015-12-25 08:04:42] macios15 : glad i shorted that
[2015-12-25 08:04:58] 24hourz : 450 is the 50% retracement
[2015-12-25 08:06:04] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 3000 @ 451.64
[2015-12-25 08:06:38] laisee : bugger. there goes the end of yuear bonus ...
[2015-12-25 08:08:38] chromaticcr : lol
[2015-12-25 08:08:52] 24hourz : hahahah
[2015-12-25 08:09:04] 24hourz : maybe all the way to 441
[2015-12-25 08:09:56] macios15 : noo this is end of bitcoin run for your lifes
[2015-12-25 08:10:44] laisee : I heard the CEO had sold all his shares
[2015-12-25 08:23:17] uiop : here is instant replay http://i.imgur.com/rUV29TB.png
[2015-12-25 08:23:35] uiop : wizards cast downbanga spell
[2015-12-25 08:23:39] uiop : wizards now short
[2015-12-25 08:24:25] cekseh : Sell the dip!
[2015-12-25 08:24:29] cekseh : Buy the tip!
[2015-12-25 08:24:30] uiop : magical people needed to settle their longs first
[2015-12-25 08:24:34] cekseh : =)
[2015-12-25 08:24:58] macios15 : https://vk.com/doc8542600_246985629?hash=be12bb6030736723d7&dl=c2e5837bc9ed54da05
[2015-12-25 08:34:42] sleger : i was long 700btc of 0kcoin weekly, thanks santa
[2015-12-25 08:47:22] micmix : sleger: santa is coming for your &btc; :-)
[2015-12-25 08:48:58] rapidtrades : bitcoin network really fast today huh
[2015-12-25 08:49:10] rapidtrades : guess Christmas is good for smth after all
[2015-12-25 08:49:13] habibi : yea they added additional servers today
[2015-12-25 08:54:34] uiop : http://i.imgur.com/ljhgBvi.png
[2015-12-25 09:45:35] krach : Is there a countdown for the June24th contract
[2015-12-25 09:45:40] krach : for the open
[2015-12-25 09:52:00] 24hourz : id like to know that too
[2015-12-25 10:14:07] sleger : just guess... your guess will be right
[2015-12-25 10:33:01] TschavaTschigger : frosty, the reindeeeeer
[2015-12-25 11:38:40] HowDoge : uiop: interesting thx
[2015-12-25 11:49:25] sleger : I have 127k of the 143k nop of Z15, anyone needs to sell before settlement to save on fees ?
[2015-12-25 11:49:52] rapidtrades : put up a bid b1tch
[2015-12-25 11:50:44] sleger : open your eyes 1d1ot, they're there
[2015-12-25 11:51:21] rapidtrades : I don't see any savings
[2015-12-25 11:51:37] sleger : Then I will repeat myself : open your eyes 1d1ot, they're there
[2015-12-25 11:52:57] mwalshe99 : and there goes the settlement gap
[2015-12-25 11:55:25] 11==14 : rapidtrades: I dont understand basic maths either
[2015-12-25 11:55:44] TschavaTschigger : this 11=14 joke is getting so old.. yawn
[2015-12-25 11:56:08] 11==14 : In a world where 11=14 is 453.4 > 453.14 ?
[2015-12-25 11:57:53] rapidtrades : TschavaTschigger: no shit...I admire his dedication at least...making some many sockpuppet accounts just to get my attention
[2015-12-25 11:58:08] sleger : "some many" ?
[2015-12-25 11:58:18] rapidtrades : so many
[2015-12-25 11:58:28] sleger : good job :)
[2015-12-25 11:58:46] TschavaTschigger : interesting that even the xbu-guys don't wanna save fees.
[2015-12-25 11:59:15] TschavaTschigger : they seem to like arthur a lot
[2015-12-25 11:59:35] sleger : on all contracts bids (shorts) are behaving much smarter though
[2015-12-25 12:00:23] TschavaTschigger : ah, for xbu, the fees are set correctly.. 0.25+0.25 = 0.25+0.25
[2015-12-25 12:01:25] BitMEX_Wally : TschavaTschigger: The fees for `XBU7D` are different
[2015-12-25 12:01:36] BitMEX_Wally : We haven't updated the page yet, but they are -10 bps and +20 bps
[2015-12-25 12:01:44] rapidtrades : nice...
[2015-12-25 12:01:58] BitMEX_Wally : Sorry, I mean -10 and +30 bps
[2015-12-25 12:01:59] TschavaTschigger : yeah I read that. good move.
[2015-12-25 12:02:08] gustavo7 : eta?
[2015-12-25 12:02:08] BitMEX_Wally : The settlement fee is 20 bps
[2015-12-25 12:02:24] BitMEX_Wally : `XBU7D` is live: https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/XBU7D
[2015-12-25 12:02:34] TschavaTschigger : 20 bps? but then... we have the same problem again
[2015-12-25 12:02:59] sleger : TschavaTschigger: Arthur said most people close before settlement so it is a "moot point"
[2015-12-25 12:03:11] BitMEX_Wally : Yeah, and people can arb it if they want. So we'll let the market sort it out
[2015-12-25 12:03:46] TschavaTschigger : so this means I have to be there 1 minute before settlement and trade, otherwise I lose money... grea
[2015-12-25 12:03:51] sleger : people can not "arb" as it requires to have smart people in front of you
[2015-12-25 12:04:16] sleger : and also to waste time as Tschava said
[2015-12-25 12:04:23] rapidtrades : and clearly you're the only start person here
[2015-12-25 12:04:30] rapidtrades : smart*
[2015-12-25 12:04:38] chromaticcr : seems like we need more bots
[2015-12-25 12:04:46] sleger : rapidtrades: agreed
[2015-12-25 12:05:33] rapidtrades : noone wants to trade june yet
[2015-12-25 12:05:46] TschavaTschigger : in a good future market, people should be indifferent between settle and last-min-trade. if a future market punishes settlements, the fee structure is not thought-through well.
[2015-12-25 12:05:50] sleger : I see both bids and offers though on june
[2015-12-25 12:05:57] chromaticcr : by me
[2015-12-25 12:05:59] rapidtrades : no trades
[2015-12-25 12:06:17] sleger : TschavaTschigger: I dont understand why no admin can get this basic statement, especially for an exchange that wants to be "fair"
[2015-12-25 12:06:18] chromaticcr : 20's and 100's are mine
[2015-12-25 12:06:29] billyboy402 : are there also maker commsion for xbu ?
[2015-12-25 12:06:41] rapidtrades : the XBU is not live yet?
[2015-12-25 12:06:49] chromaticcr : live, also by me
[2015-12-25 12:06:56] billyboy402 : mmm i thought it would of gone live at settlment
[2015-12-25 12:07:06] chromaticcr : XBU7D
[2015-12-25 12:07:20] billyboy402 : yea live for me now
[2015-12-25 12:08:11] billyboy402 : is it the same fees as xbt
[2015-12-25 12:08:24] sleger : click on full details or the annoucement
[2015-12-25 12:08:41] BitMEX_Wally : https://blog.bitmex.com/site_announcement/xbu-hedging-futures-reborn/
[2015-12-25 12:09:12] TschavaTschigger : sleger: arthur understands it 100%, he worked in finance for many years. it's understandable though that they wanna keep it this way since more fees = more lapdances. that's ok. but then don't state that it's fair or it makes sense. because it does not.
[2015-12-25 12:09:12] billyboy402 : what is dpe ?
[2015-12-25 12:09:29] chromaticcr : clawback
[2015-12-25 12:10:28] sleger : TschavaTschigger: What he doesnt understand is that the fact it is a "moot point" for most doesnt mean it is for everyone and he is losing business because of it.
[2015-12-25 12:10:37] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: so where's the new contract
[2015-12-25 12:10:53] chromaticcr : First trade in XBTM16！
[2015-12-25 12:10:53] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/XBU7D
[2015-12-25 12:11:02] BitMEX_Wally : and https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/XBTM16