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[2015-12-17 02:33:06] zanza : on high leverage?
[2015-12-17 02:47:03] podizzler3000 : sure let us know how that goes
[2015-12-17 02:48:56] zanza : ok, ill take you for a ride on my new Yacht
[2015-12-17 02:49:03] zanza : once i get it
[2015-12-17 03:21:36] kingscrown : 1 twitter follower missing till 4300 https://twitter.com/kingscrownBTC who wants to make the big number? :)
[2015-12-17 03:47:35] podizzle3k : ill block you
[2015-12-17 03:47:36] podizzle3k : does that count
[2015-12-17 03:50:53] habibi : http://scr.hu/9xvi/g7tgx whale investor:D trading 1 btc worth of contracts
[2015-12-17 03:51:05] habibi : http://fuk.io/trade-bitcoin-with-leverage-make-easy-money-on-current-btc-bubble-incoming/ at this extraa video
[2015-12-17 04:05:37] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 3 @ 449.93
[2015-12-17 04:05:37] REKT : Big whale detected
[2015-12-17 04:11:37] HotDogs : Is the REKT bot sentient?
[2015-12-17 04:12:06] j8 : ask him yourself
[2015-12-17 04:23:05] zanza : whale spotted!
[2015-12-17 04:29:10] laisee : I think there should have been a "/S" on the end of that last REKT bot message
[2015-12-17 07:50:03] zanza : slow night!
[2015-12-17 07:50:19] zanza : paging rapidtrades floopyfloop snackycoins
[2015-12-17 08:04:07] donkey : are there sub accounts on here?
[2015-12-17 08:04:49] wurstgelee : not that i know of
[2015-12-17 08:04:58] wurstgelee : good morning everyone btw
[2015-12-17 08:05:37] BitMEX_Arthur : donkey: No sub accounts, just create another account with a different email
[2015-12-17 08:06:00] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 500 @ 453.72
[2015-12-17 08:06:15] donkey : thanks
[2015-12-17 08:09:11] Matthew.v : we want sub accounts
[2015-12-17 08:09:17] cekseh : ^
[2015-12-17 08:09:33] Matthew.v : for shilling and google chat live stream trading challenges.
[2015-12-17 08:09:35] HotDogs : Matthew.v: What exactly do you want to do with them?
[2015-12-17 08:10:04] Matthew.v : last week we did a trading challenge on coin.cn it was fun but boring as shit. we need the 100x to liven things up
[2015-12-17 08:10:22] BitMEX_Arthur : But how does having a sub account help you with that
[2015-12-17 08:10:39] Matthew.v : sponsored bitcoin was given to us who competed
[2015-12-17 08:10:57] habibi : live feed of information to a streamer
[2015-12-17 08:11:11] Matthew.v : it allows for daddy shill to drop some btc into sub acconts to the competing live streamers
[2015-12-17 08:11:25] BitMEX_Arthur : ok gotcha
[2015-12-17 08:11:56] BitMEX_Arthur : well the best solution for now is to create a bunch of accounts with different emails using your parent affiliate link
[2015-12-17 08:12:18] BitMEX_Arthur : I'll speak with Sam about it, but we have a bunch of other things higher up on the priority list, so try that to get going right now
[2015-12-17 08:12:51] Matthew.v : thanks just slap it on the list. we are doing a stream tomorrow after okc.com settlement.
[2015-12-17 08:13:08] Matthew.v : tune in tomorrow and take a quick peek at what they have cooking and you will get excatly what we are trying to do.
[2015-12-17 08:13:36] BitMEX_Arthur : What's the exact url
[2015-12-17 08:14:16] Matthew.v : there is no official link or URL now. check in to whaleco with adam he is the one sponsoring the traders and organizing the competition and such.
[2015-12-17 08:24:44] BitMEX_Arthur : Ok will check it out tomorrow
[2015-12-17 09:07:22] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 275 @ 458.31
[2015-12-17 10:06:09] TschavaTschigger : traded contracts worth $1.1million since last settlement lol... gotta love that leverage
[2015-12-17 10:12:23] wurstgelee : we had 3x that volume once afaik
[2015-12-17 10:12:27] wurstgelee : still a lot
[2015-12-17 10:12:31] wurstgelee : =)
[2015-12-17 10:12:56] TschavaTschigger : remember we only had 11k volume last 24h, that's not too much
[2015-12-17 10:13:08] wurstgelee : yep, was 33k or something
[2015-12-17 10:13:10] wurstgelee : once
[2015-12-17 10:13:21] wurstgelee : but considered stamp only has 14k.... ;)
[2015-12-17 10:25:10] zanza : TschavaTschigger: what is your average orer size?
[2015-12-17 10:25:24] TschavaTschigger : zanza: changes
[2015-12-17 10:25:34] TschavaTschigger : oh, average
[2015-12-17 10:25:46] TschavaTschigger : secret :) but MM
[2015-12-17 10:26:05] zanza : ok, how many transaction do you do per day usually ?
[2015-12-17 10:26:30] TschavaTschigger : lol, that's basically the same question, just the other way round :D nice try :D
[2015-12-17 10:26:33] zanza : haha
[2015-12-17 10:26:38] zanza : just checking
[2015-12-17 10:26:49] zanza : if you passed Algebra
[2015-12-17 10:26:52] zanza : :)
[2015-12-17 10:27:00] TschavaTschigger : let's just say I need about a handful of csv pages to sum them up
[2015-12-17 10:27:26] zanza : so you do about 2222 XBT volume per day
[2015-12-17 10:27:59] zanza : so you earn BitMex about .5 XBT profit from fee
[2015-12-17 10:28:12] zanza : good guy!
[2015-12-17 10:28:46] TschavaTschigger : yeah... arthur I want special treatment! bring me a cocktail and send me some btc-hookers with coke
[2015-12-17 10:30:04] zanza : so, its about 500k contracts per day
[2015-12-17 10:30:15] zanza : thats is a lot
[2015-12-17 10:31:25] TschavaTschigger : not really, but overall volume was low :(
[2015-12-17 10:42:17] wurstgelee : we need 470
[2015-12-17 10:42:19] wurstgelee : soon imo
[2015-12-17 10:42:33] TschavaTschigger : zanza: btw, it's ~1.25btc fees.. 0.05% fee per trade for arthur
[2015-12-17 10:42:49] TschavaTschigger : 0.075% - 0.025%
[2015-12-17 10:44:10] zanza : oh, i was calculating .025 for some reason
[2015-12-17 10:44:17] zanza : yeah you are right
[2015-12-17 10:48:23] TschavaTschigger : need to implement that settle-logic into my bot, it's super annoying to do that by hand.. although I never have large positions anyway
[2015-12-17 11:16:34] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 50 @ 456.18
[2015-12-17 11:19:34] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 10 @ 455.37
[2015-12-17 11:50:48] zanza : rapidtrades on?
[2015-12-17 11:57:53] sleger : Guys close your positions
[2015-12-17 11:57:59] wurstgelee : done ;)
[2015-12-17 11:58:12] laisee : done
[2015-12-17 11:58:31] wurstgelee : last remains of my long =)
[2015-12-17 11:59:05] wurstgelee : it like to have a more interesting day today tbh
[2015-12-17 11:59:12] wurstgelee : last one was boring bsides fomc action
[2015-12-17 11:59:15] TschavaTschigger : if these dumb takers on bid side would go down..we both would make profit
[2015-12-17 11:59:16] wurstgelee : *besides
[2015-12-17 11:59:31] TschavaTschigger : makers*
[2015-12-17 11:59:53] wurstgelee : personally i dont mind about that =)
[2015-12-17 12:03:27] zanza : 3 $ spread?
[2015-12-17 12:03:28] zanza : wow
[2015-12-17 12:05:02] sleger : " TschavaTschigger: if these dumb takers on bid side would go down..we both would make profit" how is that possible ?
[2015-12-17 12:09:59] TschavaTschigger : sleger: sorry I meant "up". expected settlement price was like 456.54 and they put bids to 456.67 only, when in fact they could easily go upwards to 456.85 and still make profit
[2015-12-17 12:10:52] sleger : applies both ways, the taker sellers could have taken it and make a profit
[2015-12-17 12:11:42] TschavaTschigger : in fact, it applys only to the ask side. I meant dumb ask side should go up... bid side couldn't go up cause ask side was blocked
[2015-12-17 12:11:47] rapidtrades : hey do u know any other exchanges structured in a way that u get paid the same amount of btc for up/down?
[2015-12-17 12:12:21] sleger : TschavaTschigger: now makes more sense. I was the bids btw
[2015-12-17 12:13:01] TschavaTschigger : sleger: yeah, bidders already minimized their profits, but asks were needlessly greedy
[2015-12-17 12:14:05] TschavaTschigger : no wait, that doesnt make sense
[2015-12-17 12:14:13] TschavaTschigger : i'm still confused, just woke up :D
[2015-12-17 12:15:38] TschavaTschigger : the point is, the need to collude and stop blocking the bid-ask mid.... one side needs to let the other one come
[2015-12-17 12:15:43] TschavaTschigger : they were both wrong tbh
[2015-12-17 12:16:15] sleger : no, the bids were above settlement price and sufficiently so so that there was an incentive for takers to sell instead of waiting for settlement
[2015-12-17 12:16:57] SnackyCoins : ^ i do that all the time, orders permitting
[2015-12-17 12:17:19] TschavaTschigger : sleger: not far up enough though. settlement price was 456.54 and you (bidder) only went up to 456.64... but it's 0.075% LESS fess for you, which is 34 cents.. you should go up much further than 456.64
[2015-12-17 12:17:52] sleger : there was an offer at 456.67 (I went up to 456.66)
[2015-12-17 12:18:02] TschavaTschigger : that's what I am saying
[2015-12-17 12:18:17] sleger : you said they were both wrong : i couldnt go higher though
[2015-12-17 12:18:34] sleger : On another note something else hilarious : "rapidtrades: hey do u know any other exchanges structured in a way that u get paid the same amount of btc for up/down?"
[2015-12-17 12:18:58] sleger : rapidtrades: still hasnt figured out basics yet ? Do you really want me to give you the answer ?
[2015-12-17 12:19:07] TschavaTschigger : wtf rapid haha
[2015-12-17 12:19:45] justinlooking : color me confused
[2015-12-17 12:25:49] TschavaTschigger : sleger: with "both wrong" I meant, it was a checkmate situation. both sides need to collude. there were 2 possibilites: 1) bidders were makers: then asks should let them go up to 456.75 and play the taker 2) sellers are the makres, then bidders back off and let them go down to 456.34 and then take the orders
[2015-12-17 12:26:07] TschavaTschigger : both sides were too stuborn, that's why there was no incentive to hit the takers in this situation ;)
[2015-12-17 12:27:04] zanza : I think 796 uses quantos rapidtrades
[2015-12-17 12:27:31] TschavaTschigger : sleger: both sides each tried to take ALL the profits instead of sharing
[2015-12-17 12:27:37] zanza : quanto = steady BTC payout
[2015-12-17 12:27:39] TschavaTschigger : = no incentive for the order party
[2015-12-17 12:27:44] rapidtrades : zanza: tnx man...will check it out...googling quanto didn't yield anything
[2015-12-17 12:27:57] TschavaTschigger : for the other party*
[2015-12-17 12:28:02] rapidtrades : except bitmex ofc
[2015-12-17 12:30:00] TschavaTschigger : next time we collude in chat and define who is maker and who is taker
[2015-12-17 12:35:49] sleger : +1 for chat settlement
[2015-12-17 12:37:19] TschavaTschigger : I was seller right btw, I tried to go down as maker, but bidders didn't wanna go down and play taker, so I canceled orders to let bidders come and play maker, but other seller didnt understand I guess
[2015-12-17 12:38:58] TschavaTschigger : sleger: chat collusion would be nice, but there will always be a couple of rapids with open positions who don't get the system :/
[2015-12-17 12:41:32] TschavaTschigger : wtf who is selling at 453.71
[2015-12-17 12:43:02] TschavaTschigger : oh lol I was stuck in trade history.. I really need a coffee xD
[2015-12-17 12:46:54] TschavaTschigger : sleger: maybe I implement something in my bot that pushes the other side into the right direction, starting lik 4-5 minutes before settlement with smaller orders
[2015-12-17 13:11:20] sleger : In the meantime I pay 2 lap dances to Arthur every day at settlement
[2015-12-17 13:18:50] zanza : http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2015-martin-shkreli-securities-fraud/
[2015-12-17 13:19:50] TschavaTschigger : 100% reddit frontpage
[2015-12-17 13:19:53] TschavaTschigger : reddit hates him haha
[2015-12-17 13:20:52] zanza : they sure do
[2015-12-17 13:22:00] zanza : so if I do not watch Star Wars soon, it will be spolied
[2015-12-17 13:22:11] zanza : I can't buy tickets, so I probably have to download it
[2015-12-17 13:22:16] rapidtrades : I've seen it
[2015-12-17 13:22:22] rapidtrades : do u want me to tell u what happens
[2015-12-17 13:22:29] zanza : now i gotta close this chat
[2015-12-17 13:22:34] rapidtrades : ok here I go!
[2015-12-17 13:54:13] zanza : i can't believe they arrested Pharma Bro
[2015-12-17 13:56:40] zanza : silver back uner 14
[2015-12-17 13:56:57] irbbqu : unbelievable
[2015-12-17 13:57:25] laisee : does this mean Greed is no longer Good?
[2015-12-17 14:05:36] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1842 @ 455.46
[2015-12-17 14:17:56] TschavaTschigger : volume inexistent :(
[2015-12-17 14:21:19] wurstgelee : yes
[2015-12-17 14:21:26] wurstgelee : sideways chop chop :/
[2015-12-17 14:47:20] TschavaTschigger : wurstgelee: 1.6k bot still annoying you? :D
[2015-12-17 14:58:21] wurstgelee : TschavaTschigger: lol ;) currently not - it isnt online curently tho?
[2015-12-17 14:58:25] wurstgelee : *r
[2015-12-17 14:58:40] wurstgelee : not trading atm, @ work and i have actual work to do :|
[2015-12-17 14:58:47] TschavaTschigger : wurstgelee: I see some 1.6 bids/asks
[2015-12-17 14:58:50] sleger : that sucks
[2015-12-17 14:58:55] sleger : having actual work to do...
[2015-12-17 14:58:57] TschavaTschigger : actual work? LOL
[2015-12-17 14:59:02] wurstgelee : :D
[2015-12-17 14:59:07] wurstgelee : oh, wrong tab, was on 7d
[2015-12-17 14:59:15] wurstgelee : sleger: indeed
[2015-12-17 14:59:15] wurstgelee : !
[2015-12-17 14:59:27] wurstgelee : no procrastination today
[2015-12-17 14:59:59] TschavaTschigger : quit your job dude. this is hardcore 1337 underground internet sheet, we don't work for companies, we are all h4ck0rz in here
[2015-12-17 15:05:39] sleger : @premium : where are you ?
[2015-12-17 15:08:34] TschavaTschigger : at least rapid doesn't rant about the premium being too high
[2015-12-17 15:09:24] sleger : He's been behaving much better recently, we could cut him a break... ("could")
[2015-12-17 15:10:36] sleger : who keeps buying my Z15 offers ?
[2015-12-17 15:10:57] wurstgelee : TschavaTschigger: this job is actually good. internal it, running computer center, servers, services, compelte infrastructure. doesnt get boring.
[2015-12-17 15:11:06] wurstgelee : i basically get paid for what i do anyways all day ;)
[2015-12-17 15:11:54] sleger : 10x2k offers taken on Z15, who is this ?
[2015-12-17 15:12:04] TschavaTschigger : sounds nice, but still work that pays you less than profit you can make here
[2015-12-17 15:12:13] TschavaTschigger : sleger: not me... but u are right about rapid btw
[2015-12-17 15:15:32] wurstgelee : TschavaTschigger: yes. steady, good income tho, it pays the bills =)
[2015-12-17 15:15:55] wurstgelee : also yes @ rapid, we might give him break
[2015-12-17 15:15:58] wurstgelee : *a
[2015-12-17 15:16:02] TschavaTschigger : wurstgelee: bitmex trading is steady and good too if done right :-)
[2015-12-17 15:16:13] wurstgelee : hehe =)
[2015-12-17 15:16:20] wurstgelee : i usually can do both at the same time! ;)
[2015-12-17 15:16:56] laisee : give him a break, we were all 16 once.
[2015-12-17 15:17:21] sleger : oh, didnt know he turned 16 already. HB !!
[2015-12-17 15:17:49] laisee : next year, think he lied on signup form.
[2015-12-17 15:17:55] wurstgelee : lol
[2015-12-17 15:38:03] messiaen8844 : when I was 16 I used read a lot. Classical literature, textbooks, encyclopedia, manuals, .nfo,. txt, usenet, sheet music. Internet can make people smarter or dumber, it's their choice, no excuses ;)
[2015-12-17 15:41:58] sleger : Yes and no, because there is ease of access to good free time (if you live in a mansion with internet or if you have to do chores around the house) and of course natural gifts or lack of
[2015-12-17 15:44:16] messiaen8844 : it's interesting how Internet provides both ease of access and also massive lack of concentration for those born right into the digital world
[2015-12-17 15:45:37] messiaen8844 : too much choice is a burden
[2015-12-17 15:45:49] sleger : I wish I had access to coursera when I was in school, I would have got my phd at 14
[2015-12-17 15:47:14] messiaen8844 : coursera is cool, I need more there. Also edX, udacity, FutureLearn
[2015-12-17 15:47:19] messiaen8844 : *time
[2015-12-17 15:50:23] messiaen8844 : problem with MOOCs is that they are still very structured/vertical learning. Future of education is in creative problem solving with very individualized goals and approaches IMO.
[2015-12-17 15:51:47] messiaen8844 : and collaboration with peers
[2015-12-17 16:00:39] TschavaTschigger : "problem with MOOCs is that they are still very structured/vertical learning" this
[2015-12-17 17:05:14] TschavaTschigger : let's see if we can go beneath 5k 24h volume
[2015-12-17 17:16:21] TschavaTschigger : and nobody in trollbox... guess I need to spam my referral to get arthur some more lapdances
[2015-12-17 17:26:57] BitMEX_Sam : Slow trading day, for the first time in a while
[2015-12-17 17:27:09] REKT : Big whale detected
[2015-12-17 17:27:09] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1 @ 454.84
[2015-12-17 17:27:34] BitMEX_Sam : Hah nice job on that bot, micmix.
[2015-12-17 17:29:12] SnackyCoins : what is the whale trigger?
[2015-12-17 17:30:02] sleger : it's when I log in
[2015-12-17 17:30:34] SnackyCoins : http://i.imgur.com/bDN8Kvf.gif
[2015-12-17 17:38:25] habibi : many people got liquidated in these two night dumps so we have to wait maybe till next week till they will come back with fresh money
[2015-12-17 17:58:46] podizzle3k : predictions for todays haircut? im going with 74%
[2015-12-17 17:58:58] BitMEX_Sam : Bold prediction
[2015-12-17 18:00:21] podizzle3k : i guess you knwo what i think is gonna happen to the price
[2015-12-17 18:01:23] podizzle3k : did anyone check out 'decreds' altcoin ANN?
[2015-12-17 18:01:28] podizzle3k : looks like a juicy one
[2015-12-17 18:01:36] podizzle3k : enough buzzwords to scam the entire internet
[2015-12-17 18:02:32] TschavaTschigger : podizzle3k: why would we have dpe today... look at the market, biggest liquidiation was the 1-contract-whale
[2015-12-17 18:03:15] podizzle3k : the night is young and the moon is calling
[2015-12-17 18:03:39] TschavaTschigger : sidebet 0.05btc that there is no dpe?
[2015-12-17 18:03:42] habibi : no massive move
[2015-12-17 18:03:46] habibi : till settlement @okc
[2015-12-17 18:03:51] habibi : trust me i am engineer
[2015-12-17 18:04:01] podizzle3k : thats ok you can trust me i use fingerpaints
[2015-12-17 18:04:15] habibi : trust me i am using rapidtrades indicator
[2015-12-17 18:04:47] podizzle3k : i like how rapidtrades set himself up to be right without telling us what his prediction was
[2015-12-17 18:05:19] habibi : i love the way he using xbuz15
[2015-12-17 18:05:30] habibi : saying its safer than 24h coz no risk of dpe :D
[2015-12-17 18:05:39] habibi : and just look at liquidity there :D
[2015-12-17 18:05:44] podizzle3k : lol
[2015-12-17 18:05:49] podizzle3k : classic RT
[2015-12-17 18:24:19] zanza : Silver is getting rek
[2015-12-17 18:39:47] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Sam: Since I wasn't here at that time: what was the ~daily volume here on bitmex in like September to early October, when spot markets were super-flat?
[2015-12-17 18:40:13] BitMEX_Sam : See https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/stats/history
[2015-12-17 18:40:28] BitMEX_Sam : We've seen a lot of growth since even Oct
[2015-12-17 18:53:57] TschavaTschigger : wow, sometimes below 100k volume in september
[2015-12-17 18:54:27] jung1 : I still have connection quality bad/ok
[2015-12-17 18:54:33] jung1 : Its my foult?
[2015-12-17 18:57:22] BitMEX_Sam : Doubtful - I'm working on making that indicator more accurate
[2015-12-17 18:57:47] BitMEX_Sam : `ping bitmex.com` if you want to see your live ping.
[2015-12-17 19:02:46] zanza : anyone have tickets for Star Wars?
[2015-12-17 19:16:42] cataquil : nope trading bitcoi
[2015-12-17 19:17:30] TschavaTschigger : btc > stw
[2015-12-17 19:20:03] zanza : babysitting bitcoins
[2015-12-17 19:34:21] REKT : Liquidated long on XBTZ15: Sell 125 @ 459.75
[2015-12-17 19:43:46] zanza : ?????????
[2015-12-17 20:24:15] TschavaTschigger : 77k open interest... hm
[2015-12-17 20:26:04] TschavaTschigger : goldman sachs tweeted about bitcoin yesterday and nobody is here to trade derivatives :( guess it takes 1-2 days for the young fresh-out-of-college bankers to deposit usd on exchanges, buy btc and transfer them into arthur's pockets
[2015-12-17 20:27:50] irbbqu : hmm.. media hype you say
[2015-12-17 20:29:00] irbbqu : Good god this is horrible
[2015-12-17 21:18:15] gouda : ping bitmex.com]
[2015-12-17 21:18:19] gouda : ping bitmex.com
[2015-12-17 21:22:48] BitMEX_Sam : gouda: Sorry, I meant in your terminal, not here in the chat
[2015-12-17 21:27:32] TschavaTschigger : would be nice implementation though
[2015-12-17 21:37:58] TschavaTschigger : arthur needs to spread some bitcoin rumors to his hongkong finance friends so there is some volatility in the underlying and we get more volume here
[2015-12-17 21:44:34] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Sam: do you get only prices streamed from tradeblock, or also the orderbooks of the exchanges?
[2015-12-17 21:44:47] BitMEX_Sam : We only record prices
[2015-12-17 21:45:27] TschavaTschigger : you only save/record prices? but does the stream they provide offer more informatino as well? can't find any proper explanation on their site
[2015-12-17 21:46:30] sleger : "gouda: ping bitmex.com" ahahah lol
[2015-12-17 21:46:59] sleger : ping google.com
[2015-12-17 21:47:06] sleger : this chat is broken :)
[2015-12-17 21:49:18] TschavaTschigger : sudo rm rapidtrades
[2015-12-17 21:49:23] sleger : LOL
[2015-12-17 22:01:12] BitMEX_Sam : We get real-time weighting and prices, but that's it as far as I know
[2015-12-17 22:03:11] TschavaTschigger : that's not much for 600 bucks a month
[2015-12-17 22:03:35] TschavaTschigger : but well, they have stable connections, that's pretty cool
[2015-12-17 22:04:09] messiaen8844 : echo Y | format C: /U
[2015-12-17 22:06:48] TschavaTschigger : and 600 bucks is prolly pocket money for arthur
[2015-12-17 22:18:56] wurstgelee : such boredom in the market
[2015-12-17 22:19:11] wurstgelee : didnt make a single trade since settlement
[2015-12-17 22:19:12] wurstgelee : oO
[2015-12-17 22:19:55] jesperf : neither did... anyone it seems
[2015-12-17 22:20:31] wurstgelee : sudo find / -name "rapidtrades" -exec rm {} \;
[2015-12-17 22:21:13] wurstgelee : Session Volume 62,876
[2015-12-17 22:21:18] wurstgelee : lol, yes
[2015-12-17 22:22:03] TschavaTschigger : LOL
[2015-12-17 22:22:19] TschavaTschigger : I got 55k volume since settlement
[2015-12-17 22:22:33] wurstgelee : haha, congrats. YOU ARE BITMEX
[2015-12-17 22:22:36] wurstgelee : =)
[2015-12-17 22:22:56] BitMEX_Sam : :) That's session, not contract
[2015-12-17 22:23:03] BitMEX_Sam : Sessions are 8hrs, 12-20, 20-4, 4-12 UTC
[2015-12-17 22:23:11] TschavaTschigger : yepp
[2015-12-17 22:23:18] TschavaTschigger : would have been surprised :D
[2015-12-17 22:23:28] wurstgelee : oh, my bad
[2015-12-17 22:23:32] wurstgelee : yep
[2015-12-17 22:23:38] TschavaTschigger : and since open interest 67k, not possible :D
[2015-12-17 22:23:40] BitMEX_Sam : It's a bit confusing at this point, since we don't use sessions for anything user-facing
[2015-12-17 22:23:47] wurstgelee : Open Interest 67,430 not much either tho
[2015-12-17 22:23:47] BitMEX_Sam : Except in XBU
[2015-12-17 22:23:52] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah it's a slow day.
[2015-12-17 22:24:25] wurstgelee : starts to feel like dump/retrace. meh :|
[2015-12-17 22:26:41] TschavaTschigger : bitmex's income depends heavily on the volatility of the underlying. it's an interesting business situation.
[2015-12-17 22:27:33] TschavaTschigger : especially since there is only currency traded on the site (in practice)
[2015-12-17 22:27:39] TschavaTschigger : only one*
[2015-12-17 22:31:30] TschavaTschigger : i'm curious how high VCs are valuating bitmex
[2015-12-17 22:33:51] TschavaTschigger : though call considering the very special position of the firm and the unique kind of risk exposure
[2015-12-17 22:35:23] BitMEX_Sam : Obviously I can't comment on numbers, but it's difficult to do valuations of technology companies in general.
[2015-12-17 22:35:36] BitMEX_Sam : Especially as they enter more speculative markets.
[2015-12-17 22:36:41] TschavaTschigger : yeah, valuation on tech startups is hard. worked on a valuation method with my finance prof for some weeks.
[2015-12-17 22:47:16] TschavaTschigger : for bitcoin firms, a real option approach comprising characteristics of btc (usage/acceptance in the future, blockchain politics) is definitely part of the equation. but for bitmex, also volatility/volume should be included
[2015-12-17 22:48:12] TschavaTschigger : well I'm just super-bored.. afk shower :P
[2015-12-17 22:53:22] wurstgelee : TschavaTschigger: bad timing maybe :p
[2015-12-17 22:53:24] wurstgelee : haha
[2015-12-17 23:09:46] TschavaTschigger : re... wow, no large movement while I was gone
[2015-12-17 23:09:55] TschavaTschigger : tried to provoke it, but the market seems to wait for me recently
[2015-12-17 23:10:04] wurstgelee : nope, looked like sth might happen tho, some action on okc futures
[2015-12-17 23:15:45] TschavaTschigger : really wondering about that 5k marketmaker bot. in certain situations, it just doesn't adapt the spread to the volatility, get's eaten up by market movement and then desperately tries to close with makers at unfavourable prices. doesn't seem profitable to me.
[2015-12-17 23:15:54] TschavaTschigger : maybe i'm wrong though
[2015-12-17 23:16:41] habibi : depends on time
[2015-12-17 23:16:51] habibi : now he do money
[2015-12-17 23:16:54] TschavaTschigger : yours?
[2015-12-17 23:17:06] habibi : nah
[2015-12-17 23:17:11] TschavaTschigger : of course not :D
[2015-12-17 23:19:52] TschavaTschigger : if open interest keeps decreasing we don't have to worry about settlement collusion at least :D
[2015-12-17 23:21:32] jesperf : gl guys, i value sleep more than money on nights like these
[2015-12-17 23:21:45] TschavaTschigger : jesperf: cya nn
[2015-12-17 23:23:29] micmix : TschavaTschigger: 5k bot can still be profitable with the right hedging strategy
[2015-12-17 23:23:43] TschavaTschigger : micmix: true
[2015-12-17 23:23:47] micmix : even if it loses some money here
[2015-12-17 23:25:04] TschavaTschigger : that's something I wanted to ask anyway... anybody here doing cash and carry arbitrage? except sledger
[2015-12-17 23:35:51] TschavaTschigger : meh, finally found one store that sells racing FPV drones for bitcoin... try to check out, get to 404 bitpay page.. support: "oh yeah, bitcoin payment not working atm, ooops"
[2015-12-17 23:58:55] TschavaTschigger : mooovement! finally
[2015-12-18 00:01:13] wurstgelee : what? where?
[2015-12-18 00:01:29] TschavaTschigger : look trade history
[2015-12-18 00:02:49] TschavaTschigger : well it's not much but better than nothing
[2015-12-18 00:03:19] TschavaTschigger : this monologue is epic btw. am I really the only one in here without a steady job?
[2015-12-18 00:03:25] wurstgelee : lol :D
[2015-12-18 00:03:34] wurstgelee : ok, it did move $3
[2015-12-18 00:03:45] wurstgelee : nah, more
[2015-12-18 00:04:02] habibi : ?
[2015-12-18 00:04:08] habibi : 10 dollars moved! lel
[2015-12-18 00:04:50] wurstgelee : 3.5?
[2015-12-18 00:07:06] habibi : http://scr.hu/9xvi/0gzot fair enought
[2015-12-18 00:08:00] wurstgelee : almost 2.5 ;)
[2015-12-18 00:08:20] habibi : yep, here u had more but still.. look at volume. absolutely no volume here
[2015-12-18 00:08:56] TschavaTschigger : well, we had wild two minutes
[2015-12-18 00:09:47] habibi : yep, almost lambo money
[2015-12-18 00:11:45] wurstgelee : half a matchbox lambo maybe
[2015-12-18 00:21:15] TschavaTschigger : gemini 24h volume 300 btc
[2015-12-18 00:22:11] TschavaTschigger : thats like 15% of what I am doing here :D
[2015-12-18 00:23:01] TschavaTschigger : but ok, not today :(
[2015-12-18 00:46:18] TschavaTschigger : I usually like cryptowat.ch, but their recent trades window is useless imho since they colored trades by increase/decrease instead of bid/ask getting hit
[2015-12-18 00:46:55] TschavaTschigger : the information is completely lost. no way to access it.
[2015-12-18 00:48:57] lockhedge : and you add a lot of latency, did some test in summer https://medium.com/@RobotFinance/why-latency-always-matters-if-you-are-trading-bitcoin-dbfd33016bbf#.dd2xy4t4h
[2015-12-18 00:49:52] TschavaTschigger : yeah I read that already ;) gj
[2015-12-18 00:51:00] lockhedge : :)
[2015-12-18 00:52:03] TschavaTschigger : you know any exchange that has less latency to bitmex than finex?
[2015-12-18 00:52:12] TschavaTschigger : finex has ~15ms
[2015-12-18 00:53:57] TschavaTschigger : oh, kraken, they are also there :D
[2015-12-18 01:16:56] messiaen8844 : Very tight bands. Traders awaiting OKC settlement?
[2015-12-18 01:17:54] habibi : yep
[2015-12-18 01:20:25] messiaen8844 : Triangle almost over.. A few more hours
[2015-12-18 01:20:52] TschavaTschigger : oh, the triangle guy is back
[2015-12-18 01:21:09] TschavaTschigger : geometry-arbitrage ftw
[2015-12-18 01:21:56] habibi : TschavaTschigger: it can be even moon phases
[2015-12-18 01:22:21] habibi : as long people follow even the stupidest ideas
[2015-12-18 01:22:29] habibi : as long it can move on that
[2015-12-18 01:23:23] lockhedge : the more stupid/random the better
[2015-12-18 01:23:29] TschavaTschigger : btw, I check moon calendar, next fullmoon = 25th december
[2015-12-18 01:23:39] TschavaTschigger : everybody long at christmas
[2015-12-18 01:23:50] habibi : only if rapid go short
[2015-12-18 01:25:11] habibi : what if at all of these bull ralies rapid was the only one shorting so we all made money only coz of him?
[2015-12-18 01:25:58] TschavaTschigger : he is trading volumes of 1-2 btc, you can't make money out of that
[2015-12-18 01:26:10] TschavaTschigger : and with volume I mean order value
[2015-12-18 01:26:14] habibi : then we should consider him as a santa claus, guy who played dumb only so we didnt find it out. true altruist
[2015-12-18 01:26:26] habibi : yea, i know. just trolling a bit.
[2015-12-18 01:26:59] j8 : i shorted the daily most of the bull rally days, you guys made lots off me. my profits were on the longer futures
[2015-12-18 01:28:04] TschavaTschigger : i'll start trading 7D tomorrow
[2015-12-18 01:30:19] j8 : a lot of the time it's a good buy, when we go bull and the premium on the daily is 4 dollars+
[2015-12-18 01:32:46] habibi : realised pln is without fees?
[2015-12-18 01:33:17] j8 : i think it includes fees
[2015-12-18 01:34:01] TschavaTschigger : without. when you open position it's added (maker) or deducted (taker) immediately from your account
[2015-12-18 01:34:15] TschavaTschigger : when the position is open, it's obviously not included since system doesn't know if you will close by maker or taker
[2015-12-18 01:34:27] TschavaTschigger : oh
[2015-12-18 01:34:36] TschavaTschigger : REALISED pnl lol
[2015-12-18 01:34:39] j8 : yeah it includes all the fees that have been realised
[2015-12-18 01:40:59] BitMEX_Arthur : Should we list XBTM16 when XBTZ15 expires
[2015-12-18 01:41:07] BitMEX_Arthur : want to gauge demand for long dateds
[2015-12-18 01:44:01] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Arthur: yeah, why not? any arguments against listing? better have low volume than no volume
[2015-12-18 01:45:14] BitMEX_Arthur : We don't want to spread liq too thin
[2015-12-18 01:51:58] Swedishnut : Think Star Wars will mention Bitcoin?
[2015-12-18 01:52:15] messiaen8844 : TschavaTschigger: what do you have against triangles :) ?
[2015-12-18 02:06:01] TschavaTschigger : messiaen8844: I disrespect all kinds of geometric indicators
[2015-12-18 02:06:11] TschavaTschigger : going to bed, cya tomorrow and happy trading
[2015-12-18 02:37:50] messiaen8844 : TschavaTschigger: any support/resistance can be charted as a rectangle. Can't escape the geometry :)
[2015-12-18 02:44:29] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 500 @ 459.20
[2015-12-18 02:53:49] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 4000 @ 459.68
[2015-12-18 02:55:48] irbbqu : 7d cheaper guys..
[2015-12-18 02:55:59] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 1252 @ 459.76
[2015-12-18 02:56:49] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 763 @ 460.31
[2015-12-18 03:10:29] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 250 @ 457.39
[2015-12-18 03:26:02] micmix : BitMEX_Arthur: I like longer contracts. XBTZ15 and XBTH16 are the only ones I trade manually. Liquidity is a problem of course but having different time frames gives you more options.
[2015-12-18 03:27:32] BitMEX_Sam : Hoping that as the platform grows, those contracts will become more viable to trade.
[2015-12-18 03:32:07] laisee : 2nd'ing micmix, I like long-dated instruments over day-trading prodycts like X24H.
[2015-12-18 03:36:07] laisee : perhaps you could offer a basket product containing variety of instruments weighted according to time preference? This would be useful for companies with constant Bitcoin exposure that don't want to be actively trading in/out of specific contracts.
[2015-12-18 05:34:35] cryptostephen : Hey Guys!
[2015-12-18 05:48:02] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 217 @ 461.95
[2015-12-18 05:48:02] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 40 @ 460.92
[2015-12-18 05:48:37] zanza : `XBTM16` or Riot
[2015-12-18 05:50:21] zanza : spike boys
[2015-12-18 06:01:22] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 580 @ 462.56
[2015-12-18 06:22:01] zanza : the concept of having far off expiration date futures is good, especially for type of "hedging"
[2015-12-18 06:22:28] zanza : yes, the liquidity is low but hopefully it rises
[2015-12-18 06:23:05] irbbqu : below da index lel
[2015-12-18 06:24:20] rapidtrades : zanza: hedging only works when there is no clawback
[2015-12-18 06:24:34] zanza : not exactly
[2015-12-18 06:24:47] rapidtrades : yeah exactly
[2015-12-18 06:25:11] rapidtrades : you can experience severe losses if u get caught in a clawback
[2015-12-18 06:25:24] zanza : so how do you hedge then ?
[2015-12-18 06:25:59] rapidtrades : you can't...still trying to find a fool-proof way
[2015-12-18 06:26:41] rapidtrades : I've been using quarterly okc so far but with the current rally going nuts it's a matter of time until claback hits me when we crash
[2015-12-18 06:27:38] rapidtrades : also they do the profit calc every Friday, so if prices crash from $478 where we at rgiht now, I'll pay the tax on all profits from that point onward and not from the opening of the trade
[2015-12-18 06:42:36] roymalmberg : this is really really cheap comared to index :)
[2015-12-18 06:42:43] roymalmberg : compared*
[2015-12-18 06:43:03] slacknation : roymalmberg: which one
[2015-12-18 06:43:12] roymalmberg : 24/7
[2015-12-18 06:43:34] slacknation : ? it's above index
[2015-12-18 06:44:06] roymalmberg : not on a relative basis
[2015-12-18 06:44:15] roymalmberg : I dont know where you look though
[2015-12-18 06:44:35] slacknation : wat's the relative right price?
[2015-12-18 06:45:23] roymalmberg : well I was just looking at tops etc, so while we have breakout in china for example here we are still below
[2015-12-18 06:45:27] slacknation : i'm just looking at the index price and bid/ask, where r u looking?
[2015-12-18 06:46:00] roymalmberg : people selling at 464 makes no sense to me, haha
[2015-12-18 06:46:03] slacknation : oh ok, the index does not have any china component
[2015-12-18 07:15:34] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 100 @ 462.25
[2015-12-18 07:58:29] podizzler3000 : ayeeeeeeeee
[2015-12-18 08:00:48] irbbqu : ali g aaaai
[2015-12-18 08:03:21] wurstgelee : damn
[2015-12-18 08:03:25] wurstgelee : 3 mins too late @ work
[2015-12-18 08:03:27] wurstgelee : ffs
[2015-12-18 08:04:04] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 3444 @ 465.83
[2015-12-18 08:04:21] wurstgelee : but in time for tactical fomo ;)
[2015-12-18 08:05:07] wurstgelee : wow
[2015-12-18 08:05:12] wurstgelee : 489 okc weeklies
[2015-12-18 08:11:04] cataquil : alot of time premium out of dec future
[2015-12-18 08:11:18] cataquil : hope march comes down a bit when dec expires
[2015-12-18 08:11:31] cataquil : march future has tons of time premium
[2015-12-18 08:11:38] wurstgelee : march has expected halvening pump calculated in probably
[2015-12-18 08:11:46] cataquil : built into price
[2015-12-18 08:11:59] cataquil : making it a bit hard to swallow
[2015-12-18 08:12:18] cataquil : so far 7d for me has is the best in this regard
[2015-12-18 08:12:18] wurstgelee : lol, aaaand back down
[2015-12-18 08:12:31] Teddy76 : that dump oO
[2015-12-18 08:12:35] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 43 @ 449.59
[2015-12-18 08:12:35] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 3000 @ 452.67
[2015-12-18 08:12:35] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 5772 @ 461.22
[2015-12-18 08:12:35] REKT : Next stop - goblin town
[2015-12-18 08:12:35] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 1000 @ 452.43
[2015-12-18 08:12:35] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 3426 @ 451.42
[2015-12-18 08:12:37] cataquil : so I can swing trade without all those dam settlements
[2015-12-18 08:12:39] Teddy76 : OMG
[2015-12-18 08:13:25] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 7576 @ 453.31
[2015-12-18 08:16:15] habibi : aamaazing
[2015-12-18 08:16:19] wurstgelee : haha yes
[2015-12-18 08:16:49] wurstgelee : crazy shit
[2015-12-18 08:17:10] habibi : love panic
[2015-12-18 08:18:07] wurstgelee : maybe over
[2015-12-18 08:18:17] wurstgelee : maybe not
[2015-12-18 08:19:04] billyboy402 : guys what up with my charts , it keep changing from monthly too weekely
[2015-12-18 08:19:07] wurstgelee : for now it is unless 2nd wave
[2015-12-18 08:20:31] rapidtrades : billyboy402: I had the same glitch, can support investigate? refresh for now
[2015-12-18 08:21:17] billyboy402 : rapidtrades: it very strange
[2015-12-18 08:21:53] billyboy402 : .FYI 25 th dec @ 484 .... and Ok is at 467 nice time to short here and buy there for $20 spread
[2015-12-18 08:23:27] rapidtrades : good luck finding smone to pay 484
[2015-12-18 08:23:56] rapidtrades : then again this is FOMO country so...
[2015-12-18 08:26:24] wurstgelee : such discount
[2015-12-18 08:26:29] wurstgelee : afraid? :p
[2015-12-18 08:27:00] wurstgelee : back to earlier levels and sidelines probably
[2015-12-18 08:27:06] wurstgelee : same as with FOMC announcement
[2015-12-18 08:27:22] j8 : classic settlement fakeout
[2015-12-18 08:28:20] wurstgelee : did wipe a few positions probably so successfull i guess ;)
[2015-12-18 08:31:07] billyboy402 : just remeber that 25th dec = the weekly on ok . and here . but lucky they use 2 hour index ,
[2015-12-18 08:32:51] wurstgelee : phew
[2015-12-18 08:32:56] wurstgelee : break even
[2015-12-18 08:32:58] wurstgelee : ;)
[2015-12-18 08:33:01] wurstgelee : + even
[2015-12-18 08:35:44] messiaen8844 : https://www.tradingview.com/x/OlcDUMU3/
[2015-12-18 08:36:15] laisee : free Xmas gift from Okc/Bitmex?
[2015-12-18 08:39:34] wurstgelee : maybe. i did almost fuck myself tho
[2015-12-18 08:39:53] j8 : lol, best text substitution
[2015-12-18 08:39:58] wurstgelee : btfd saved my ass
[2015-12-18 08:40:01] wurstgelee : yep :)
[2015-12-18 08:41:34] j8 : well, it keeps dumping from this level, but they're getting weaker
[2015-12-18 08:42:35] wurstgelee : yep, closed for now
[2015-12-18 08:42:44] wurstgelee : enough adrenaline for early morning
[2015-12-18 08:43:05] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 3101 @ 457.69
[2015-12-18 08:46:44] j8 : yeah, i woke up from a nap for okc settlement, now i have to decide if i stay up until bitmex settlement... middle of the night for me
[2015-12-18 08:47:49] wurstgelee : 3+ hours sleep
[2015-12-18 08:47:51] wurstgelee : i would chose that
[2015-12-18 08:47:52] wurstgelee : ;)
[2015-12-18 08:48:36] TschavaTschigger : j8: go to bed
[2015-12-18 08:49:04] j8 : lol, i just got up though.
[2015-12-18 08:51:02] j8 : glad i was awake for the only thing that happened today
[2015-12-18 08:54:31] messiaen8844 : j8: i put an alarm 30m before the chip settlement
[2015-12-18 08:54:41] j8 : yeah same
[2015-12-18 08:55:40] messiaen8844 : Watching 3060
[2015-12-18 09:10:24] chrisxbt : If you taker both ways how much spread do you need to profit?
[2015-12-18 09:11:58] TschavaTschigger : -0.7 lol
[2015-12-18 09:12:07] ethexio : whee
[2015-12-18 09:37:22] zanza : TschavaTschigger: nice
[2015-12-18 09:38:51] justinlooking : that chart bug is weird, i have it too
[2015-12-18 09:39:28] TschavaTschigger : ?
[2015-12-18 09:40:58] j8 : me too, it's very annoying
[2015-12-18 09:42:10] j8 : and i think it causes rate limiting. the site is DOSing itself
[2015-12-18 09:43:28] zanza : I think they should increase the time frame for submitting orders
[2015-12-18 09:43:38] zanza : to like 3-5 seconds each
[2015-12-18 09:44:45] j8 : that would be awful
[2015-12-18 09:44:57] Teddy76 : tips : access chart directly from tradingview (XBT1D for Daily)
[2015-12-18 09:51:44] TschavaTschigger : am I the only one not having problems with the chat?
[2015-12-18 09:52:02] TschavaTschigger : never had the slightest issue
[2015-12-18 09:52:25] messiaen8844 : TschavaTschigger: what kind of problems? Laggy chat?
[2015-12-18 09:52:35] j8 : the chart, not the chat
[2015-12-18 09:52:44] BitMEX_Arthur : Hi guys