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[2015-12-18 09:52:48] BitMEX_Arthur : what exactly is happening
[2015-12-18 09:53:10] TschavaTschigger : j8: I have no clue, justinlooking just mentioned it and some other people too. For me, all is fine
[2015-12-18 09:53:13] j8 : hey arthur. the chart keeps reloading, spastically
[2015-12-18 09:53:19] TschavaTschigger : oh
[2015-12-18 09:53:42] zanza : j8: did you try refreshing browser?
[2015-12-18 09:54:01] zanza : and close all your pron downloads?
[2015-12-18 09:54:10] j8 : i refresh every couple minutes and it starts again.
[2015-12-18 09:54:28] BitMEX_Arthur : I'll flag this to Sam when he gets on
[2015-12-18 09:54:54] BitMEX_Arthur : What browser?
[2015-12-18 09:55:10] j8 : chrome on a mac
[2015-12-18 09:55:16] habibi : on every
[2015-12-18 09:55:18] BitMEX_Arthur : Thanks
[2015-12-18 09:55:25] habibi : chrome/ff/vivaldi
[2015-12-18 09:55:33] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Arthur: same on firefox
[2015-12-18 09:55:45] justinlooking : chrome 47 win7 and chromium-browser 36 on debian 8
[2015-12-18 09:57:32] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Arthur: also hourly chart seems messed up? it shows the drop that happened in the previous hour during the current candle
[2015-12-18 09:58:11] justinlooking : good spot rapid... that's odd
[2015-12-18 09:58:24] justinlooking : on a 30 min, it was 4 candles ago, but 60 min is current candle
[2015-12-18 09:58:41] SnackyCoins : fwiw i am also having chart issues, especially when switching contracts
[2015-12-18 09:58:49] SnackyCoins : chromium/linux
[2015-12-18 09:59:09] SnackyCoins : refreshing fixes it but it happens again anyway
[2015-12-18 10:00:03] justinlooking : ^agreed, think it's changing contracts that starts the spurious chart update loop off
[2015-12-18 10:00:28] j8 : mhmm, it can't decide if it's on 24H or 7D
[2015-12-18 10:00:32] zanza : try switching to one of the default settings at the bottom 1m/5d
[2015-12-18 10:01:02] zanza : i see, I think its fetching data slowly
[2015-12-18 10:01:14] zanza : so while it refreshes it glitches
[2015-12-18 10:01:29] justinlooking : j8, if switch to Z and H as well, u can get it to loop all 4 charts
[2015-12-18 10:01:34] zanza : does it happen on trading view website ?
[2015-12-18 10:08:03] j8 : no, tradingview works fine
[2015-12-18 10:09:15] Teddy76 : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/?symbol=BITMEX:XBT1D
[2015-12-18 10:09:31] TschavaTschigger : justinlooking: quite possible that I got -pnl today :(
[2015-12-18 10:12:52] TschavaTschigger : these close-spreads hedge bots make marketmaking less profitable and shift the incentive to doing more takers
[2015-12-18 10:16:30] rapidtrades : *single tear
[2015-12-18 10:17:18] zanza : TschavaTschigger: u doen for ?
[2015-12-18 10:18:17] TschavaTschigger : zanza: "u doen for"? :D sry no native speaker here.. what do you mean?
[2015-12-18 10:25:58] justinlooking : TschavaTschigger: :( shit sorry to hear that
[2015-12-18 10:26:06] justinlooking : hope is only small loss
[2015-12-18 10:26:51] TschavaTschigger : justinlooking: pretty much breakeven atm, depends on last minutes :D
[2015-12-18 10:27:11] justinlooking : ahhh well if your worst days are scratches i think you'll be fine!
[2015-12-18 10:27:35] justinlooking : and assume zanza typod "done for" which means finished
[2015-12-18 10:40:47] wurstgelee : unless it was an abbreviation for "doener" which would be kebab
[2015-12-18 10:40:54] wurstgelee : =)
[2015-12-18 10:47:11] rapidtrades : hey any actual trading platforms for bitcoin? like mt4 level
[2015-12-18 10:47:31] rapidtrades : this webby shit is just too slow when markets move
[2015-12-18 10:52:03] wurstgelee : you could use the bot youre coding
[2015-12-18 10:52:19] wurstgelee : add the ability to execute manua trades
[2015-12-18 10:52:21] wurstgelee : *l
[2015-12-18 10:53:03] wurstgelee : futures still climing up, steadily
[2015-12-18 10:53:07] wurstgelee : until they dont ofc
[2015-12-18 10:53:12] TschavaTschigger : or code a trading platform like mt4 for cryptocurrencies and sell it @rapidtrades
[2015-12-18 10:53:21] wurstgelee : yep =)
[2015-12-18 10:54:08] TschavaTschigger : just don't forget to finish the python tutorial before that I linked you
[2015-12-18 11:40:55] laisee : rapidtrades: > you want fast, maybe look at adding support for Bitmex to Tribeca(https://github.com/michaelgrosner/tribeca)
[2015-12-18 11:57:34] rapidtrades : okc on acid atm
[2015-12-18 11:58:01] j8 : how so
[2015-12-18 11:58:17] rapidtrades : $5 premium
[2015-12-18 11:58:39] habibi : 5$?
[2015-12-18 11:58:40] habibi : wheere
[2015-12-18 11:58:45] rapidtrades : spot
[2015-12-18 11:58:49] habibi : eh
[2015-12-18 11:58:59] habibi : no premium to the settle price
[2015-12-18 11:59:12] j8 : oh okc usd spot.
[2015-12-18 11:59:27] j8 : it's weird like that
[2015-12-18 11:59:46] laisee : post settlement ... everyone wants to bloc their profits on hookers, blow and more okc futures.
[2015-12-18 11:59:58] laisee : ^wants to blow
[2015-12-18 12:12:18] rapidtrades : already down to $3..still more profit to be had
[2015-12-18 12:12:57] laisee : did u short?
[2015-12-18 12:14:53] habibi : thats quite good sign
[2015-12-18 12:15:06] habibi : rapid has new money to invest ==// to loose here
[2015-12-18 12:15:17] laisee : we have room full of traders here waiting for that signal.
[2015-12-18 12:15:29] habibi : not only here
[2015-12-18 12:15:35] habibi : china is waiting for that signal
[2015-12-18 12:15:35] laisee : imagine Boler Room.
[2015-12-18 12:15:44] laisee : Boiler Room
[2015-12-18 12:17:39] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 1000 @ 466.29
[2015-12-18 12:19:09] REKT : Liquidated short on XBTH16: Buy 1200 @ 539.95
[2015-12-18 12:20:03] cataquil : always spike at rollover
[2015-12-18 12:20:08] laisee : yikes. shorting H16
[2015-12-18 12:20:31] laisee : courageous decision.
[2015-12-18 12:29:30] j8 : that must be the old one that still hasn't filled
[2015-12-18 12:30:04] j8 : oh.. gone now
[2015-12-18 12:38:28] nickhnt : 1 week to december settlement :)
[2015-12-18 12:44:54] cataquil : what is CashRebalance?
[2015-12-18 12:46:51] j8 : cataquil: contracts that don't settle rebalance weekly, your position stays open but your unrealised pnl is realised at the mark price
[2015-12-18 12:48:10] j8 : so you don't have to wait 3-6 months to withdraw profits.
[2015-12-18 12:48:38] cataquil : oh right. yeah thanks I did know that...I just am trying to work out how DPE is working for me
[2015-12-18 12:49:06] sleger : it is working the same way than for anyone else
[2015-12-18 12:49:11] j8 : there was no DPE on this settlement.
[2015-12-18 12:49:46] cataquil : yep, pretty flat the past 2 days. but going thru my trade history looking at the past saturday
[2015-12-18 12:50:33] cataquil : I see if I go to https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2015-12-18 12:50:50] cataquil : the comm value there is different than the value in the CSV download
[2015-12-18 12:51:11] BitMEX_Wally : Due to display rounding?
[2015-12-18 12:51:12] cataquil : -0.0002 XBT is actually -11625
[2015-12-18 12:51:27] BitMEX_Wally : 0.0001162 XBT
[2015-12-18 12:51:33] sleger : satoshis vs btc
[2015-12-18 12:51:36] cataquil : so the value in the spreadsheet is the actual
[2015-12-18 12:51:40] BitMEX_Wally : Ahh, I think we round up to avoid rounding down to 0
[2015-12-18 12:55:44] cataquil : so you could all by kXBT or 10,000 satoshi
[2015-12-18 13:17:17] smaessen : Hi all
[2015-12-18 13:20:18] smaessen : Is there an option to get OHLC data etc trough the API? I dont want to work with price data from a different exchange
[2015-12-18 13:22:06] smaessen : and it still cant register because i dont receive anconfirmation email (not in spam)
[2015-12-18 13:30:45] TheRealJohnGalt : smaessen: I don't think bitmex emails work for many domains.
[2015-12-18 13:31:06] smaessen : TheRealJohnGalt: to bad since i cant register now :(
[2015-12-18 13:31:38] TheRealJohnGalt : idk, I've just had issues with it in the past (with a sigaint email) and had to choose a different email. But I'm not support :)
[2015-12-18 13:32:00] smaessen : i’ve send a support ticket ,lets see what happens :) ty
[2015-12-18 13:35:56] BitMEX_Wally : smaessen: You can get OHLC data from our API without logging in
[2015-12-18 13:36:53] BitMEX_Wally : smaessen: https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/trade/bucketed?binSize=1h&symbol=XBT24H&count=100&start=0
[2015-12-18 13:37:41] BitMEX_Wally : Check out the parameters like startTime and endTime here: https://www.bitmex.com/api/explorer/#!/Trade/Trade_getBucketed
[2015-12-18 16:58:14] REKT : Liquidated short on XBTH16: Buy 50 @ 566.50
[2015-12-18 17:09:04] TschavaTschigger : hey, is there any site that shows the past finex trades with information about the trade direction (bid getting hit or ask getting hit)?
[2015-12-18 17:10:17] BitMEX_Sam : BFXData seems to have the info but I don't know how much historical data you can get.
[2015-12-18 17:11:55] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Sam: sweet, exactly what I was looking for, thanks. only need the recent ones for now.
[2015-12-18 17:12:08] BitMEX_Sam : Great
[2015-12-18 17:12:51] BitMEX_Wally : TschavaTschigger: We have history going back a year at least, so let us know if we can help
[2015-12-18 17:13:44] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Wally: uh, that would be fantastic. have to first get some other things done, but I will likely come back for that offer.
[2015-12-18 17:18:34] BitMEX_Wally : Sure, I have raw trades like this: `"[{"timestamp":"2015-12-18D17:17:59.000000000","symbol":"BTCUSD","side":"Buy","size":3,"price":459.99,"trdMatchID":14376213,"logged":"2015-12-18D17:18:10.083125000"}, {"timestamp":"2015-12-18D17:17:59.000000000","symbol":"BTCUSD","side":"Buy","size":0.5,"price":460,"trdMatchID":14376215,"logged":"2015-12-18D17:18:10.083125000"}]"`
[2015-12-18 17:22:06] TschavaTschigger : fantastic. will play around with some machine learning algos after christmas, so this data would be beautiful to toy. will get back to you then.
[2015-12-18 17:40:07] Swedishnut : S&P @ 2017 youch and looks like it will keep falling
[2015-12-18 17:47:10] TschavaTschigger : Swedishnut: meh... don't agree with him. though his statement that we shouldn't rely on historical metrics is true imho.
[2015-12-18 18:23:44] zanza : i wasn't brave enough to short at 2070
[2015-12-18 18:23:52] zanza : now i sadly watch it drop
[2015-12-18 18:35:09] Scottv53 : BitMEX_Sam: is there quick way to lookup the time premium of the XBT7D?
[2015-12-18 18:38:33] zanza : "Full Details" ?
[2015-12-18 19:09:54] AudibleScience : zanza: "short at 2070"... man, we haven't been there for a while! lol
[2015-12-18 19:13:48] Swedishnut : looks like a little break-out 3060
[2015-12-18 19:15:15] AudibleScience : yeah small so far though :-(
[2015-12-18 19:16:08] AudibleScience : 30 day btc vol index down to 3.18%...
[2015-12-18 19:16:35] BitMEX_Sam : Calm before the storm, I'm sure we'll get another burst of volatility soon.
[2015-12-18 19:16:47] wurstgelee : btc showing signs of life currently
[2015-12-18 19:16:54] wurstgelee : so youre probably righgt
[2015-12-18 19:16:56] wurstgelee : right
[2015-12-18 19:17:40] TschavaTschigger : I'd pay 1btc straight just to have nice volatility for 3-4 days.. this is how much I want it
[2015-12-18 19:17:40] babybaby : we going to 500 ?
[2015-12-18 19:18:19] Swedishnut : :P 500 indeed but the question is it today? I couldn't say
[2015-12-18 19:18:44] AudibleScience : TschavaTschigger: agreed!
[2015-12-18 19:19:02] wurstgelee : https://cryptowat.ch/okcoin/btcusd-weekly-futures/3m
[2015-12-18 19:19:09] wurstgelee : move buttcoin, move! ;)
[2015-12-18 19:46:02] messiaen8844 : I'm out of 24h and 7D, feels good to sit on my last two week profits
[2015-12-18 19:51:02] TschavaTschigger : rule #1 never be out
[2015-12-18 19:51:46] messiaen8844 : I am waiting for movement
[2015-12-18 19:55:07] jesperf : rule #2 always be right
[2015-12-18 19:55:28] messiaen8844 : out of trade position, most of my BTC is HDLing
[2015-12-18 19:56:09] messiaen8844 : rule #3 never listen to trollboxes ;)
[2015-12-18 19:56:38] messiaen8844 : or any trading advice whatsoever that isn't your own
[2015-12-18 19:57:23] justinlooking : one of my favs is "no one ever went skint taking profits"
[2015-12-18 19:58:48] messiaen8844 : profits can be taken too early
[2015-12-18 20:02:55] TschavaTschigger : there is actually a phenomenon in behavorial finance called the "disposition effect", based on the effect that people irriationally tend to hold losing stocks, while selling winning ones to cash in profits
[2015-12-18 20:03:24] wurstgelee : lol, i have that i think
[2015-12-18 20:03:29] wurstgelee : at least to some degree
[2015-12-18 20:03:46] messiaen8844 : happens very often in BTC, people stop looking at 4h and daily and panic
[2015-12-18 20:05:28] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 500 @ 463.34
[2015-12-18 20:11:06] wurstgelee : well well, some action ;)
[2015-12-18 20:12:25] ethexio : whee
[2015-12-18 20:15:59] jesperf : and here comes the poop
[2015-12-18 20:16:46] jesperf : or not! i love when there is a fight
[2015-12-18 20:16:58] wurstgelee : ;)
[2015-12-18 20:19:22] TschavaTschigger : just logged back into my excite.com mail account after like 13 years
[2015-12-18 20:19:56] jesperf : was it exciting?
[2015-12-18 20:21:02] TschavaTschigger : it was empty. they locked it meanwhile I guess. just wondering how a business like that is still alive. I mean, look at their homepage: http://www.excite.com
[2015-12-18 20:21:18] TschavaTschigger : this is 1999 right here
[2015-12-18 20:22:11] messiaen8844 : 1997 h
[2015-12-18 20:22:18] messiaen8844 : here: http://www.yahoo.co.jp/
[2015-12-18 20:22:46] jesperf : most japanese websites are like that
[2015-12-18 20:22:57] messiaen8844 : why so ?
[2015-12-18 20:23:22] BitMEX_Sam : Some sites in asian countries have to cater to mostly IE users
[2015-12-18 20:23:33] BitMEX_Sam : Such as those in South Korea.
[2015-12-18 20:24:13] jesperf : is bitmex IE6 compatible? ;)
[2015-12-18 20:24:31] SnackyCoins : Chrome/Mozilla not available in those places?
[2015-12-18 20:25:28] TschavaTschigger : 1) japanese and 2) still 10x better than excite... I mean look at this: http://video.excite.com/
[2015-12-18 20:26:16] TschavaTschigger : flash player haha. and look at the design :D unbelievable
[2015-12-18 20:26:18] rapidtrades : I'm excited
[2015-12-18 20:26:38] messiaen8844 : rapidtrades: about?
[2015-12-18 20:26:55] wurstgelee : hair growing in funny places probably
[2015-12-18 20:29:47] BitMEX_Sam : jesperf: Not even close. We just recently dropped some older browsers as well
[2015-12-18 20:30:11] BitMEX_Sam : It's more work than it's worth. Thankfully we deal with a more tech-savvy crowd than most, so we can afford to require modern browsers.
[2015-12-18 20:30:24] justinlooking : you getting anywhere with this chart bug Sam?
[2015-12-18 20:31:14] BitMEX_Sam : justinlooking: Yep, the fix is deploying right now
[2015-12-18 20:31:17] BitMEX_Sam : Will be live in 2-3 minutes.
[2015-12-18 20:31:23] justinlooking : spectacular :)
[2015-12-18 20:31:44] BitMEX_Sam : Sorry about that one. Was patching up some bad behavior inside the chart and ended up making it a little worse. Thanks for pointing it out
[2015-12-18 20:35:31] zanza : natural gas is getting #Rektasauraus
[2015-12-18 20:36:01] zanza : TschavaTschigger: thats me
[2015-12-18 20:43:17] BitMEX_Sam : justinlooking: Please refresh, chart is fixed.
[2015-12-18 20:43:38] justinlooking : cool tnx will give it a whirl
[2015-12-18 20:44:16] justinlooking : still broken :(
[2015-12-18 20:44:30] justinlooking : altho differently
[2015-12-18 20:44:42] BitMEX_Sam : You might need to do a hard refresh (hold shift while refreshing)
[2015-12-18 20:44:58] justinlooking : i did... u think im silly!
[2015-12-18 20:45:08] BitMEX_Sam : Just checking - have to ask.
[2015-12-18 20:45:32] justinlooking : i'll see if what i did is reproducible
[2015-12-18 20:46:21] BitMEX_Sam : What's the new issue?
[2015-12-18 20:48:34] justinlooking : i start on xbt24h, switch to xbu, switch back to xbt (changes to z15), switch back to xbt24h, chart loads, but within couple of secs the xbu chart is displayed again
[2015-12-18 20:54:45] rapidtrades : careful...the memory clogging is mostly gone now, don't bring it back :) @BitMEX_Sam
[2015-12-18 20:55:24] sleger : There are other things we thought we got rid of but they keep coming back ;)
[2015-12-18 20:56:15] BitMEX_Sam : justinlooking: Try clearing your cache - that was the exact issue I fixed, and I'm not able to get it to happen anymore.
[2015-12-18 20:56:45] messiaen8844 : @sleger: yes, those ridiculous premiums!!!!
[2015-12-18 20:56:49] justinlooking : will do
[2015-12-18 20:58:07] justinlooking : just discovered the reload button is right clickabable
[2015-12-18 20:59:42] jesperf : BitMEX_Sam: I'd understand if you didn't support IE at all :)
[2015-12-18 20:59:59] justinlooking : Sam: think u were right, "empty cache and hard reload" and can't reproduce it anymore
[2015-12-18 21:00:02] BitMEX_Sam : Thankfully, 10 and 11 aren't completely terrible, and Edge is actually a pretty good browser.
[2015-12-18 21:00:07] BitMEX_Sam : justinlooking: Great :)
[2015-12-18 21:01:07] jesperf : http://favoritememes.com/_nw/49/01592349.jpg
[2015-12-18 21:02:49] imapotato : is the 7D === Z15
[2015-12-18 21:03:08] sleger : no because 25 != 50
[2015-12-18 21:03:17] imapotato : what
[2015-12-18 21:03:32] kogroken : They have different max leverages
[2015-12-18 21:03:40] imapotato : mmmm
[2015-12-18 21:04:22] imapotato : I suppose that makes sense
[2015-12-18 21:04:27] sleger : but yes this week the difference between the 2 is kind of ridiculous
[2015-12-18 21:05:19] imapotato : Thanks for the info
[2015-12-18 21:09:44] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Sam: is there a way to hide current orders from the chart?
[2015-12-18 21:09:58] BitMEX_Sam : Not at this time, I can make it into a user preference though.
[2015-12-18 21:12:24] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Sam: would be cool :)
[2015-12-18 21:13:12] justinlooking : i see they are draggable
[2015-12-18 21:13:42] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah. You can move them out of the way, but they'll move back if modified.
[2015-12-18 21:14:40] BitMEX_Sam : I'll add the preference for you guys, and make them not jump if you place a new order or cancel an existing one.
[2015-12-18 21:14:45] justinlooking : initially i thought dragging would update the price bceause the label on the right changed
[2015-12-18 21:15:16] TschavaTschigger : justinlooking: lol.. initially I thought hitting the "x" would remove them from chart only
[2015-12-18 21:15:24] justinlooking : lol
[2015-12-18 21:18:09] justinlooking : sam: think toggle would be more useful on the chart is possible/feasible
[2015-12-18 21:18:56] justinlooking : *if is
[2015-12-18 21:19:32] BitMEX_Sam : I agree that it belongs there - I'll see what I can do.
[2015-12-18 21:23:39] TschavaTschigger : just tried to make an order on 24H and 7D at exactly the same time - error, duplicate clOrdID :D
[2015-12-18 21:24:15] TschavaTschigger : need to multiply one of those by 2 I guess :D
[2015-12-18 21:34:39] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1100 @ 462.32
[2015-12-18 21:35:44] macios15 : we are at same price when china was 3060, legit
[2015-12-18 21:39:22] jesperf : oops
[2015-12-18 21:39:38] jesperf : i think my toilet flush is connected to this price thing
[2015-12-18 21:49:21] rapidtrades : CAN I SUBSCRIBE TO YOUR NEWSLETTER!!!
[2015-12-18 21:56:43] jesperf : I don't think so if you're yelling
[2015-12-18 22:02:19] sleger : his caps lock key has been broken for weeks and since he hasnt made profit yet he cant afford a new keyboard :((
[2015-12-18 22:07:48] TschavaTschigger : I find it quite disturbing that 70% of the 7D orderbook is controlled by one guy
[2015-12-18 22:08:30] sleger : how do you know ?
[2015-12-18 22:09:09] donkey : good question.. im curious to!
[2015-12-18 22:09:42] TschavaTschigger : when he restructeres his orders, the whole ask side disappears. first thought was that order placements depend on each other and triggers mass-replacement, but they seem to ignore mine, so....
[2015-12-18 22:10:06] donkey : intresting
[2015-12-18 22:12:52] Giovanni : Can anyone recommend resources to learn more about futures arbitrage ?
[2015-12-18 22:16:27] sleger : sell march @ 555 buy daily @ 463, wait, profit
[2015-12-18 22:21:05] sleger : oh and dont believe anything you read on the internet
[2015-12-18 22:23:59] justinlooking : or trullbuxes
[2015-12-18 22:26:55] zanza : https://blog.bitmex.com/tag/arbitrage/
[2015-12-18 23:26:32] BitMEX_Sam : justinlooking: You can now right click the chart and click "Disable Order Display"
[2015-12-18 23:27:24] justinlooking : show off :P
[2015-12-18 23:27:29] justinlooking : tyvm
[2015-12-18 23:35:46] jesperf : 1 week since the last big drop from 475 -> 402. any bets there will be another one?
[2015-12-18 23:38:36] macios15 : up spike is more possible
[2015-12-18 23:39:18] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Sam: cool, but the unrealized profit of the current open order is still here :(
[2015-12-18 23:39:34] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, the current Position
[2015-12-18 23:39:37] BitMEX_Sam : Would you like an option for that too?
[2015-12-18 23:39:58] TschavaTschigger : yes pls... I only want to have the chart on the chart :D
[2015-12-18 23:40:10] BitMEX_Sam : Sounds good. I'll add that too
[2015-12-18 23:40:16] TschavaTschigger : thanks sam
[2015-12-18 23:44:12] Swedishnut : wow green bar
[2015-12-19 00:18:19] BitMEX_Sam : TschavaTschigger: That option is available now on a refresh
[2015-12-19 00:19:02] TschavaTschigger : [b]yeayy[/b] finally a clean, nice chart! thanks
[2015-12-19 00:19:10] TschavaTschigger : looking really good now
[2015-12-19 00:20:21] TschavaTschigger : with positions/orders, it looks horrible design-wise, but maybe that's just a personal preference
[2015-12-19 00:20:42] TschavaTschigger : will enjoy my clean chart tomorrow, going to bed, cya
[2015-12-19 01:03:33] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 1600 @ 466.81
[2015-12-19 02:13:34] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 10 @ 463.42
[2015-12-19 02:28:52] JDUB99 : hi all got a question about unfilled order
[2015-12-19 02:29:34] JDUB99 : why is it that my 460.5 buy order only got filled for 2 out of 50 contracts, and i see that a buy order of 460 got filled with 8366 contracts
[2015-12-19 02:29:45] JDUB99 : how come it seems like my order was "passed up"
[2015-12-19 02:45:41] Tetsuo : You just got mexed up
[2015-12-19 03:09:25] JDUB99 : i think i figured it out...but its still odd
[2015-12-19 03:09:38] JDUB99 : looks like i put in my order incorrectly?
[2015-12-19 03:20:35] Giovanni : is @ sleger still here ?
[2015-12-19 03:24:47] Giovanni : or can someone explain the risk associated with selling XBTH16 and buying spot? IM trying to figure out what I'm missing
[2015-12-19 03:27:13] j8 : Giovanni: yeah, check out this blog post, it explains it well: https://blog.bitmex.com/cash-and-carry-arbitrage-with-bitmex-futures/
[2015-12-19 03:28:55] j8 : with inverse futures like `XBU` series and okc futures there's basically no risk
[2015-12-19 03:30:09] j8 : but quanto futures have a bigger upside in dollar terms
[2015-12-19 03:35:52] Giovanni : I've been reading the blogs and trying to figure it out. So essentially, when you short XBTH16 your rising margin will eat the profit ? But if you look at it without margin, on a one to one basis for example Selling one coin short in the future and buying one now doesn't leave room for risk?
[2015-12-19 03:37:06] j8 : if you sell one coin worth of `XBTH16` and the price goes up, your position will be short more than one coin
[2015-12-19 03:37:46] j8 : and you will start to lose more and more on your short
[2015-12-19 03:40:05] j8 : the value of the contracts depends on the price.
[2015-12-19 03:42:10] Giovanni : hm alright, so thats what I'm missing. But i thought the underlying currency of the quanto contracts were bitcoin ?
[2015-12-19 03:44:52] j8 : it works out so that your PNL in bitcoin is proportional to the change in price, but to do that the contracts have a value of 1000 satoshis * price
[2015-12-19 03:45:55] j8 : so if the price goes up 10% the contracts are worth 10% more bitcoin
[2015-12-19 03:46:19] j8 : but then the USD value is 1000 sats * price^2
[2015-12-19 03:46:58] j8 : so it's more like an 11% gain in USD
[2015-12-19 04:34:49] laisee : non-linear payback, as they say.
[2015-12-19 04:37:26] j8 : the best kind of payback
[2015-12-19 04:46:05] laisee : :-D
[2015-12-19 04:59:07] Giovanni : haha alright, i think i understand it more now. Just different than I expect it.
[2015-12-19 04:59:16] Giovanni : expected*
[2015-12-19 05:35:37] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 10 @ 465.71
[2015-12-19 06:33:46] kushkush : Does sell cost mean ill lose thst much if I close market?
[2015-12-19 06:35:33] TschavaTschigger : mornin guys
[2015-12-19 06:43:46] kushkush : Anyone tha knows?
[2015-12-19 06:46:08] laisee : close market means you take price in the market, so depends on how many contracts you sell and shape of order book.
[2015-12-19 06:46:28] TschavaTschigger : kushkush: hover with the mouse over it, you see the explanation
[2015-12-19 06:48:49] TschavaTschigger : it's just the margin required... initial margin + maintainance margin... read FAQ completely and to understand the system
[2015-12-19 07:29:29] rapidtrades : was the chart code changed again? getting that meomory clogging again
[2015-12-19 07:32:38] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 2000 @ 459.95
[2015-12-19 07:32:38] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1417 @ 460.15
[2015-12-19 07:45:25] podizzle3k : rapidtrades hows your connection bar
[2015-12-19 07:50:20] podizzle3k : i cant even find mine
[2015-12-19 07:50:20] podizzle3k : heh
[2015-12-19 07:50:29] TschavaTschigger : glad it's gone
[2015-12-19 07:50:41] podizzle3k : ermm ok
[2015-12-19 10:37:05] zanza : 3130 coming ?
[2015-12-19 10:37:13] zanza : good morning
[2015-12-19 10:38:43] cataquil : slow tape past few days
[2015-12-19 10:52:51] TschavaTschigger : seems that way, but if you compare it to mid-september, this is actually wild
[2015-12-19 10:57:10] ethexio : Ready.
[2015-12-19 10:58:22] ethexio : $7 spread?
[2015-12-19 11:07:25] cataquil : .3 btc
[2015-12-19 11:07:53] cataquil : thats $138
[2015-12-19 11:08:03] cataquil : err sorry
[2015-12-19 11:08:05] cataquil : duh
[2015-12-19 11:08:12] cataquil : is 30 cents doh
[2015-12-19 11:08:23] cataquil : there is liquidity
[2015-12-19 11:09:01] cataquil : Also I wonder why the rollover on the 24H is 12 noon GMT
[2015-12-19 11:09:08] cataquil : its best for the USA
[2015-12-19 11:09:39] cataquil : 7am EST can open a contract and swing trade it for a 24h time horizon
[2015-12-19 11:09:59] cataquil : but most of the volatility is at 1-4am GMT
[2015-12-19 11:10:03] cataquil : china open
[2015-12-19 11:10:27] cataquil : seems like a better roleover would be the traditional fx 5pm EST
[2015-12-19 11:10:33] cataquil : or a midnight GMT
[2015-12-19 11:14:14] TschavaTschigger : you just said yourself that that's the time with the most volatility
[2015-12-19 11:25:59] cataquil : well yeah, either 10pm gmt or midnight is fine
[2015-12-19 11:26:12] cataquil : as the volatility starts 60-90 minutes later
[2015-12-19 11:26:20] cataquil : hey hey
[2015-12-19 11:26:26] cataquil : a spike
[2015-12-19 11:28:08] cataquil : Is there anyway we can have an order on 24h that will not get cancelled at rollover?
[2015-12-19 11:28:44] TschavaTschigger : nope
[2015-12-19 11:37:47] j8 : there is a way, you can get that flag on your account if you ask.
[2015-12-19 11:43:38] cataquil : thanks j8
[2015-12-19 11:43:46] justinlooking : So is F16 coming before Friday?
[2015-12-19 11:44:00] cataquil : I know I could write a bot, but should be able to do it manually
[2015-12-19 11:44:30] SnackyCoins : it's dangerous because the fair basis changes
[2015-12-19 11:45:07] SnackyCoins : you go from 0t premium to 24h premium, whatever that is, and can jump $3 easy
[2015-12-19 11:45:25] SnackyCoins : maybe nothing but there's no way to know in advance
[2015-12-19 11:45:46] cataquil : yep I see. I always see a small spike at 12umt rollover
[2015-12-19 11:46:25] cataquil : but if you have layered orders down $10,20,x away from Fair Price
[2015-12-19 11:46:53] SnackyCoins : not saying there's no strategy :) just gotta keep it in mind
[2015-12-19 11:48:52] TschavaTschigger : "but if you have layered orders down $10,20,x away from Fair Price" what for?
[2015-12-19 11:51:07] justinlooking : to benefit from some poor sod's fat fingers!
[2015-12-19 11:51:22] TschavaTschigger : ok guys.. this time we do it right
[2015-12-19 11:51:36] TschavaTschigger : i am talking about settlement collusion
[2015-12-19 11:51:39] justinlooking : settlement colusion!
[2015-12-19 11:51:52] justinlooking : i'll show you mine if you show me yours :P
[2015-12-19 11:52:04] justinlooking : oh actually i don't have any 24h
[2015-12-19 11:52:18] justinlooking : paging sleger
[2015-12-19 11:53:07] ethexio : DO it.
[2015-12-19 11:53:13] TschavaTschigger : could the ask side go up please?
[2015-12-19 11:54:00] TschavaTschigger : up to 364.97 at least
[2015-12-19 11:54:10] TschavaTschigger : 364.94 min
[2015-12-19 11:54:15] ethexio : Nope.
[2015-12-19 11:54:37] SnackyCoins : you want to buy 364.97?
[2015-12-19 11:55:09] TschavaTschigger : i just want it fair, but settlement price changes a lot atm
[2015-12-19 11:56:13] SnackyCoins : oh you are long from 364.97 xD
[2015-12-19 11:57:20] TschavaTschigger : i seriously need that to implement that into my bot, including chat-instructions from "Settlement Collusion Bot" who calculates perfect fair price 60 sec before settlement
[2015-12-19 11:59:59] SnackyCoins : 3
[2015-12-19 11:59:59] SnackyCoins : 2
[2015-12-19 12:00:00] SnackyCoins : 1
[2015-12-19 12:04:32] j8 : would love to see settlement collusion bot get in a conversation with REKT bot
[2015-12-19 12:07:25] zanza : do settlement bots even exist?
[2015-12-19 12:10:19] j8 : need post-only orders to have a really tight settlement
[2015-12-19 12:14:20] ethexio : That's it?
[2015-12-19 12:14:26] justinlooking : cool chart, think it from reddit: https://plot.ly/~BashCo/5.embed?share_key=ljQVkaTiHXjX2W41UiqzCn
[2015-12-19 12:17:12] ethexio : Hmm. Affiliate system strange. Pending went to -- even before settlement.
[2015-12-19 12:20:23] ethexio : Was due some payout from today's affiliate action, but disappeared earlier and now doesn't show anything paid out today.
[2015-12-19 12:20:50] ethexio : Maybe rounded to 0
[2015-12-19 12:22:50] ethexio : Showed pending as 0.03+ish earlier today before settlement.
[2015-12-19 12:49:42] ethexio : Cool.
[2015-12-19 13:08:41] gustavo7 : quick question, will the XBU series be renewed? perhaps with a smaller contract size?
[2015-12-19 13:12:37] sleger : you need 20$ to take 1 contract, is that really too much ?
[2015-12-19 13:14:35] TschavaTschigger : since the contract is for hedging only, smaller sizes are not really needed. who would hedge 3$?
[2015-12-19 13:15:11] podizzle3k : gustavo
[2015-12-19 13:15:15] podizzle3k : thats who
[2015-12-19 13:15:29] podizzle3k : not everyone is working on the same scale as you
[2015-12-19 13:15:45] TschavaTschigger : I was actually just saying this so people would answer "rapidtrades"
[2015-12-19 13:16:02] donkey : lol
[2015-12-19 13:17:16] sleger : if you can afford internet and a computer, you can afford to have a min trade size of $20
[2015-12-19 13:17:37] podizzle3k : ive known lots of brazilians that are passionate about crypto but are nowhere near a $20 trade
[2015-12-19 13:17:49] podizzle3k : but feel free to backhandedly insult the customers per usual
[2015-12-19 13:18:39] TschavaTschigger : if you really wanna toy around with small figures just go with the xbt
[2015-12-19 13:19:06] sleger : it is barely the definition of insults. They have a computer, internet, and are"passionate" about bitcoin but dont own $20 of it and feel the need to hedge it against usd ?
[2015-12-19 13:19:07] TschavaTschigger : who wants to long-term hedge his 3-4 bucks, this customer group doesn't exist, no matter how many imaginary friends in brazil or africa you introduce
[2015-12-19 13:20:05] sleger : ridiculous indeed... hey i bought $5 worth of bitcoin and i am going to hedge it against another currency lol
[2015-12-19 13:20:12] TschavaTschigger : yes there are people with very small amounts of bitcoin who cant afford more, but they won't long term hedge it
[2015-12-19 13:20:14] TschavaTschigger : yeah rofl
[2015-12-19 13:26:06] sleger : podizzle3k: look at the order book on XBT24H and tell me if the tiny order size is not annoying
[2015-12-19 13:26:59] podizzle3k : not really annoying to me
[2015-12-19 13:27:07] wurstgelee : group it, problem solved
[2015-12-19 13:27:22] sleger : wurstgelee: forgot about group :) thanks
[2015-12-19 13:27:26] wurstgelee : :D
[2015-12-19 13:27:59] gustavo7 : sry for not coming back, was distracted hehe
[2015-12-19 13:28:04] sleger : wurstgelee: and by default you have it group to how much ?
[2015-12-19 13:28:11] laisee : 24H Asks look pretty anaemic
[2015-12-19 13:28:12] wurstgelee : 0.10
[2015-12-19 13:28:22] wurstgelee : not enough currently tho
[2015-12-19 13:28:23] podizzle3k : lol wtf thats the entire book?
[2015-12-19 13:28:27] wurstgelee : should group more
[2015-12-19 13:28:32] sleger : because I bet most people have it (like me) to 0.01 so that they can frontrun orders
[2015-12-19 13:28:43] sleger : podizzle3k: thats your proof that tiny order size is annoying
[2015-12-19 13:28:47] wurstgelee : lol....no sells i guess
[2015-12-19 13:29:20] podizzle3k : somethings wrong
[2015-12-19 13:29:23] justinlooking : it's not whole book
[2015-12-19 13:29:23] wurstgelee : well...or too many orders so grouping doesnt help
[2015-12-19 13:29:36] podizzle3k : yeah i have sells
[2015-12-19 13:29:37] justinlooking : u see 20 best prices... grouping doesn't get 20 best groups
[2015-12-19 13:29:39] podizzle3k : that arent showing
[2015-12-19 13:29:42] wurstgelee : ui only shows x orders
[2015-12-19 13:29:43] justinlooking : me too
[2015-12-19 13:29:55] habibi : yep
[2015-12-19 13:29:56] sleger : so... increase min order size
[2015-12-19 13:29:58] habibi : orderbook is broken
[2015-12-19 13:30:07] wurstgelee : thats indeed annoying now
[2015-12-19 13:30:08] laisee : very
[2015-12-19 13:30:21] laisee : Asks are MIA
[2015-12-19 13:30:23] sleger : tell that to @podizzle3k and @gustavo
[2015-12-19 13:30:33] wurstgelee : higher min order size please, yep
[2015-12-19 13:30:53] chromaticcr : lol who is playing w the orderbook
[2015-12-19 13:31:08] podizzle3k : oh ok i agree its fuckin annoying
[2015-12-19 13:31:17] sleger : chromaticcr: someone trying to explain someone else that min order size should be higher
[2015-12-19 13:31:26] podizzle3k : if you can have 20 1 contract orders and hide effectively everything else
[2015-12-19 13:31:30] justinlooking : it's u slege!
[2015-12-19 13:31:34] sleger : podizzle3k: when I get an official apology from you I will remove them
[2015-12-19 13:31:47] wurstgelee : sleger: podizzle3k: oh ok i agree its gently caressin annoying
[2015-12-19 13:31:51] gustavo7 : i just sometimes want to fully cover my account balance and it's anoying if it's only possible in $100 steps
[2015-12-19 13:31:51] wurstgelee : you already got it
[2015-12-19 13:31:52] wurstgelee : ;)
[2015-12-19 13:31:59] laisee : market manipulation
[2015-12-19 13:32:01] podizzle3k : sleger you didnt even realize that it only showed 20 you werent even grouped
[2015-12-19 13:32:07] podizzle3k : so shove the apology up your ass
[2015-12-19 13:32:17] sleger : podizzle3k: then keep playing with 1s
[2015-12-19 13:32:20] chromaticcr : bah, just use order grouping
[2015-12-19 13:32:23] podizzle3k : i will
[2015-12-19 13:32:34] TschavaTschigger : yeah that is indeed a bug.. just wait for sam or wally to come back and chill meanwhile
[2015-12-19 13:32:35] sleger : laisee: no, I was selling these are bona fide orders
[2015-12-19 13:32:38] podizzle3k : chromaticcr you dont get it, it only shows 20 regardless if youre grouped or not
[2015-12-19 13:32:54] laisee : /s
[2015-12-19 13:32:58] sleger : because it is using orderbook20 via WebSocket
[2015-12-19 13:33:26] TschavaTschigger : luckily i am using full one :)
[2015-12-19 13:34:50] TschavaTschigger : admins will be pissed, means more data throughput for their servers :(
[2015-12-19 13:34:56] wurstgelee : yes
[2015-12-19 13:35:05] sleger : negligible
[2015-12-19 13:35:18] sleger : and real orders, they chose the min size, I dont see the problem
[2015-12-19 13:35:31] justinlooking : what propossed min size?
[2015-12-19 13:35:40] sleger : like okcoin, 100$
[2015-12-19 13:35:50] sleger : (equivalent in btc)
[2015-12-19 13:36:00] wurstgelee : sleger: i have to say, you really excel in being an asshole to prove your point ;)
[2015-12-19 13:36:12] sleger : wurstgelee: compliment taken :)
[2015-12-19 13:36:19] wurstgelee : hehe
[2015-12-19 13:37:15] justinlooking : sleger: so a rebase? ie can only put orders in multiples of $100 and trade in multiples of $100?
[2015-12-19 13:37:41] sleger : gustavo7: one solution is to increase min order size but leave the steps to 1
[2015-12-19 13:38:03] sleger : justinlooking: either that, or just min order size 50-100 contracts but you can still place orders of 101 for instance
[2015-12-19 13:38:30] j8 : how do you close if you're left with less than the min size?
[2015-12-19 13:38:36] laisee : odd lots market in troll box
[2015-12-19 13:38:47] justinlooking : ^^ +1 j8
[2015-12-19 13:38:52] sleger : j8: you dont
[2015-12-19 13:39:10] sleger : if you have 140 position left place an order for 140 not fro 100
[2015-12-19 13:39:23] sleger : most people should be able to do that basic math
[2015-12-19 13:39:27] j8 : doesn't sound practical
[2015-12-19 13:39:31] justinlooking : yeh but partial fills...
[2015-12-19 13:39:33] sleger : but the easiest solution is just rebase indeed
[2015-12-19 13:42:28] j8 : i agree it should be bigger contract size. it changes with price though, so it's not future proof. the contracts are already double their USD value compared to at $330
[2015-12-19 13:45:42] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 1151 @ 469.20
[2015-12-19 14:12:04] cataquil : maybe a 'big' contract
[2015-12-19 14:12:28] cataquil : they gotta keep contract size until the exchange gets more punters
[2015-12-19 15:10:24] Swedishnut : punters? buyers? longs?
[2015-12-19 15:13:48] laisee : Swedishnut: > shhh! market is sleeping.
[2015-12-19 15:14:27] Swedishnut : Honey Badger BTC doesn't rest :P
[2015-12-19 15:14:46] zanza : Swedishnut: are you still in USA?
[2015-12-19 15:15:27] Swedishnut : vacation is over :)
[2015-12-19 15:15:34] zanza : ahh
[2015-12-19 15:22:06] messiaen8844 : my vacation is beggining TODAY :)
[2015-12-19 15:22:24] messiaen8844 : euro-trip in 3 days
[2015-12-19 15:22:43] wurstgelee : crazy volatility that is
[2015-12-19 15:22:47] wurstgelee : almost $8 in 24h
[2015-12-19 15:22:50] wurstgelee : :/
[2015-12-19 15:24:20] Swedishnut : Nice Messiaen! Vacation really is a mindful reset and greatly needed most often and more often than you often desire :)
[2015-12-19 15:25:02] rapidtrades : you used often too often
[2015-12-19 15:25:07] Swedishnut : Now go off an have a wonderful vacation!
[2015-12-19 15:25:52] Swedishnut : I kinda tried :P sorry my humor can be pretty flat line flavoured
[2015-12-19 15:37:08] zanza : i wish i could have vacatino, someone on this exchange stoled my money
[2015-12-19 15:42:58] rapidtrades : zanza: who stoled your monies?
[2015-12-19 15:46:20] messiaen8844 : maybe the guy from kazakisthan (User_1)
[2015-12-19 15:47:35] zanza : think it was TschavaTschigger bot
[2015-12-19 15:48:52] justinlooking : those pesky liquidity providers!
[2015-12-19 15:49:06] laisee : what happened?
[2015-12-19 15:49:17] zanza : liquidity provider is a myth
[2015-12-19 15:49:33] sleger : did you sell, market went up and blaim it on a bot ?
[2015-12-19 15:50:54] zanza : so did anyone see Star Wars yet?
[2015-12-19 15:51:01] Swedishnut : yes
[2015-12-19 15:51:07] zanza : did you like it?
[2015-12-19 15:51:07] sleger : we'll tell you after you tell us what happened
[2015-12-19 15:51:14] zanza : no comment sleger
[2015-12-19 15:51:20] sleger : why not ?
[2015-12-19 15:51:33] zanza : market went to 460 instead of 260
[2015-12-19 15:51:43] Swedishnut : it was a tomato better than episode 1 with Jar Jar
[2015-12-19 15:51:48] zanza : rofl
[2015-12-19 15:52:01] zanza : Swedishnut: i think they are trying to appeal to a big audience
[2015-12-19 15:52:10] zanza : so make generic stuff
[2015-12-19 15:52:11] Swedishnut : Disney Hype all the way. Yeah total kids fest
[2015-12-19 15:52:16] TschavaTschigger : zanza: lol you got owned by my iq-20 bot? :D sorry for that
[2015-12-19 15:52:16] laisee : was too long and no sex or real violence.