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[2015-12-12 20:41:08] thehawthorne : indeed
[2015-12-12 20:49:21] wurstgelee : someone is confident ;)
[2015-12-12 20:49:27] wurstgelee : 30240 conts buy order
[2015-12-12 20:49:56] wurstgelee : also more ping
[2015-12-12 20:52:27] wurstgelee : MORE PING
[2015-12-12 20:53:12] macios15 : wurstgelee: stil under 2830
[2015-12-12 20:53:54] wurstgelee : yep
[2015-12-12 20:55:13] justinlooking : omni-bull says moon soon
[2015-12-12 21:02:41] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1548 @ 429.84
[2015-12-12 21:05:51] wurstgelee : pong, going ping again
[2015-12-12 21:08:26] wurstgelee : no
[2015-12-12 21:08:28] wurstgelee : ;)
[2015-12-12 21:08:35] wurstgelee : more pong
[2015-12-12 21:13:56] MrRGnome : Where can I see how much this haircut screwed me?
[2015-12-12 21:24:03] TschavaTschigger : MrRGnome: https://www.bitmex.com/app/settlementHistory here you can see past DPE... then you go to account --> wallet and look at your profit... and calculate profit / (1-dpe)
[2015-12-12 21:24:20] TschavaTschigger : the difference between this number and your actual profit is the amount you lost to dpe
[2015-12-12 21:24:49] MrRGnome : So it was a percent haircut applied to all settlments on that one 24 settlement action
[2015-12-12 21:24:58] TschavaTschigger : exactly
[2015-12-12 21:25:14] TschavaTschigger : well, not on the settlements, but on the profits
[2015-12-12 21:27:56] MrRGnome : That's pretty frustrating. I wish the number was more obvious, messages or account alerts existed explaining the situation. Anything really other than the DPE reference docs hidden away behind the contract specs. I'm pretty upset that bitmex profited on fees during that settlement period.
[2015-12-12 21:31:59] habibi : on one hand its just how system works, on other hands we asked both Sam and Arthur several times about how much funds were at insurance fund before dpe went shit, Artur said it was 0 btc when like 2-3 weeks ago Sam said it had 6 btc and there were no a single negative dpe since then
[2015-12-12 21:33:46] BitMEX_Sam : There appears to be a lot of confusion about how the system works
[2015-12-12 21:33:51] BitMEX_Sam : I posted this to help clear it up: https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/3wimu0/bitcoin_futures_exchange_bitmex_incurs_first_dpe/cxwixm5
[2015-12-12 21:33:52] TschavaTschigger : habibi: they used the insurance to keep the dpe zero
[2015-12-12 21:33:58] BitMEX_Sam : TschavaTschigger: Exactly
[2015-12-12 21:34:21] TschavaTschigger : it wasn't communicated clearly, but they did everything correct
[2015-12-12 21:34:32] TschavaTschigger : working as intented
[2015-12-12 21:34:37] habibi : so it had zero btc even before yesterday settlement like Artur said ?
[2015-12-12 21:34:54] BitMEX_Sam : No, that is a misunderstanding, but it was very low
[2015-12-12 21:35:04] BitMEX_Sam : The rapid movement wiped it out
[2015-12-12 21:35:18] habibi : k, BitMEX_Sam would be great for as soon possible public information about it in real data
[2015-12-12 21:35:21] habibi : real time*
[2015-12-12 21:35:41] BitMEX_Sam : When we publish DPE rates, they are indicative - as in, if the instrument settled right now, that's what the rate would
[2015-12-12 21:35:54] BitMEX_Sam : There is not a separate application of leftover funds from bankruptci
[2015-12-12 21:36:15] BitMEX_Sam : rate would be* , bankruptcies, sorry, keyboard is acting up
[2015-12-12 21:37:14] BitMEX_Sam : The system is exactly working as intended and as advertised. What we're taking from this is that users want more information about the insurance fund and better organization of settlement details, both of which we intend to address soon
[2015-12-12 21:37:37] TschavaTschigger : +1
[2015-12-12 21:37:53] wurstgelee : PIIING
[2015-12-12 21:39:21] podizzler3k : looks like okdumps got their shit together
[2015-12-12 21:39:21] podizzler3k : now they just need to recompile the pump bot
[2015-12-12 21:39:21] podizzler3k : clearly its broke
[2015-12-12 21:39:21] podizzler3k : probably had too many withdrawals, was getting close to halting. the "cold storage" isnt exactly available atm
[2015-12-12 21:39:21] podizzler3k : theoretically it is, in actuality its somewhere in star xu's couch cushions in his multi million $ villa
[2015-12-12 21:39:35] BitMEX_Sam : There we go - sorry about that, had to restart the IRC bot
[2015-12-12 21:39:52] wurstgelee : podizzler3k: haha
[2015-12-12 21:42:43] podizzler3k : thx sam im irc warrior
[2015-12-12 21:44:03] MrRGnome : BitMEX_Sam, would bitmex consider not taking fees on these kinds of incidents? It would go a long way to know you're experience socialized losses too.
[2015-12-12 21:56:11] podizzler3k : i seriously doubt they are taking fees on profits you dont receive
[2015-12-12 21:57:11] habibi : podizzler3k: they take on every taker tx u make
[2015-12-12 21:57:20] habibi : as on settlement
[2015-12-12 21:58:33] podizzler3k : right but if you are setling for reduced profits then they are settling for reduced fees
[2015-12-12 21:59:20] habibi : nah
[2015-12-12 22:03:05] BitMEX_Sam : I'm sorry but this is the way this kind of market works - remember this is 100x (without lending fees) on an instrument that just moved nearly 20% and back again in the span of about 4 hours. Highly leveraged positions have tradeoffs.
[2015-12-12 22:03:56] mwalshe99 : sam, i dont think many people understand how daily futures work
[2015-12-12 22:03:58] BitMEX_Sam : Re: not taking fees, we have to run a business, which costs; if we did that, we would have to raise fees other days to offset it, which would affect all users, not just the ones who made profit on a volatile contract.
[2015-12-12 22:04:01] mwalshe99 : dont worry about it
[2015-12-12 22:05:40] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: the problem is ur putting the burden on the winning traders...if stupid newbies want to FOMO long, u should execute their stupid longs as market orders as soon as possible...u used limits and here we are
[2015-12-12 22:06:04] rapidtrades : it's not about leverage cos lev works both ways
[2015-12-12 22:06:07] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: we dont lend real btc so speaking of lending fees at btc futures is pretty way not the key :p
[2015-12-12 22:06:15] rapidtrades : for every buyer there's a seller, leveraged or not
[2015-12-12 22:06:43] rapidtrades : u can't run a trading exchange by catering to newbies imo, they will burn out eventually anyway
[2015-12-12 22:06:49] habibi : how u wanna market buy 50/100k orders when market orderbook is up to 20k only?
[2015-12-12 22:06:54] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: The fact that we use limit orders to liquidate positions has nothing to do with the losses.
[2015-12-12 22:07:24] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: maybe
[2015-12-12 22:07:26] BitMEX_Sam : That strategy more often produces executions with remnants that offset DPE - the problem is that when the market moves quickly, the liquidity to execute large liquidations is simply not there
[2015-12-12 22:07:57] mwalshe99 : i dont know why this is an issue
[2015-12-12 22:08:05] habibi : maybe, u should just set a max ammount of contracts per account at one point?
[2015-12-12 22:08:25] sleger : habibi: thats not a good idea, i can just open 10 accounts.
[2015-12-12 22:08:48] habibi : sleger: same as u can do opposite trades by running two accounts
[2015-12-12 22:09:08] habibi : and playing against liquidation dpe process as we talked before
[2015-12-12 22:09:22] macios15 : cross fingers guys
[2015-12-12 22:09:23] macios15 : its the time
[2015-12-12 22:09:30] podizzler3k : time to sell
[2015-12-12 22:09:36] wurstgelee : into your orders? :D
[2015-12-12 22:09:47] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: it absolutely does...I was out of all my trades and I had 0% at exit...still I got rekted with 24% because u couldn't properly execute a sell margin call
[2015-12-12 22:09:53] podizzler3k : you havent picked up on the chop pattern
[2015-12-12 22:09:57] podizzler3k : its pretty obvious at this point
[2015-12-12 22:10:05] wurstgelee : k
[2015-12-12 22:10:15] habibi : rapidtrades: u freakin idiot
[2015-12-12 22:10:22] rapidtrades : someone gets a margin call, sell them into the bids, one traders loss is another one gain
[2015-12-12 22:10:23] macios15 : ping going to knock down pong
[2015-12-12 22:10:42] habibi : thats how this system works ffs.
[2015-12-12 22:11:01] podizzler3k : rapidtrades you realize there is no perfect solution and this is the best? or you just want to complain for the sake of complaining
[2015-12-12 22:11:02] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 953 @ 432.84
[2015-12-12 22:11:19] sleger : podizzler3k: this is not the best solution though, the one from bitVC makes so much more sense
[2015-12-12 22:11:22] rapidtrades : and this ''system'' is only used by bitcoin exchanges, everywhere else is close by market on the market
[2015-12-12 22:11:38] habibi : are u sure about this?
[2015-12-12 22:11:44] rapidtrades : yep
[2015-12-12 22:11:51] podizzler3k : personally i prefer this way without the price dumping $10s of dollars at a time due to cascading calls
[2015-12-12 22:11:53] BitMEX_Sam : You can't compare bitcoin markets to other markets in this way
[2015-12-12 22:11:59] podizzler3k : if you guys like bitvc i recommend trading there
[2015-12-12 22:12:10] sleger : i do, thanks
[2015-12-12 22:12:14] BitMEX_Sam : We are 24hrs, traditional markets are not. We offer more leverage. We cannot go after customers if their accounts go bankrupt.
[2015-12-12 22:12:19] habibi : what are the fees there podizzler3k?
[2015-12-12 22:12:24] BitMEX_Sam : It requires a completely different risk management system.
[2015-12-12 22:12:26] podizzler3k : no clue im satisfied
[2015-12-12 22:12:32] habibi : lel
[2015-12-12 22:23:34] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: I think u have a point, even if bitmex used market orders, the volatility from okc and other leveraged platforms would spill over
[2015-12-12 22:24:20] rapidtrades : we have to go after them as well, to try and change this stupid execution system and socialized losses
[2015-12-12 22:29:07] justinlooking : bull or bear rapid :D
[2015-12-12 22:36:08] habibi : hm bitvc has 0.03% comision on opening position/none on closing
[2015-12-12 22:36:20] habibi : seems like fees here are the highest :p
[2015-12-12 22:42:42] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT7D: Buy 700 @ 438.11
[2015-12-12 22:47:32] 24hourz : BitMEX_Sam: I know yall have received a lot of flack for the socialized loss system etc. Just wanted to let yall know I understand why it is a needed evil in a system with such leverage without all the crazy go after customers with legal teams type of schemes that traditional markets have
[2015-12-12 22:48:26] 24hourz : keep doing yall. This exchange is one of the best both in ui and execution and deff my favorite. (not even mentioning the support which is grade A)
[2015-12-12 22:49:17] booey : 2nd that
[2015-12-12 22:49:49] Swedishnut : indeed Bitmex is good sauce
[2015-12-12 22:50:04] wurstgelee : 24hourz: +1
[2015-12-12 22:54:13] cekseh : here here
[2015-12-12 22:54:30] justinlooking : can dpe be exploited in the way previously discussed? I don't really get it
[2015-12-12 22:54:32] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 3900 @ 435.41
[2015-12-12 22:55:00] cekseh : The fees here a lower than anywhere else I've traded, so long as you don't fat finger market buy. Impatience will rekt you every time
[2015-12-12 22:55:18] wurstgelee : sometimes educated fomo is the way to go tho ;)
[2015-12-12 22:55:53] BitMEX_Sam : Thanks everyone - we do our best
[2015-12-12 22:56:01] BitMEX_Sam : cekseh: I have something for that, that will be deploying soon
[2015-12-12 22:56:26] cekseh : You have something for what?
[2015-12-12 22:57:50] BitMEX_Sam : Fat fingering
[2015-12-12 22:58:06] BitMEX_Sam : We have an additional confirmation dialog that will show up if you're going to execute too far into the market
[2015-12-12 22:58:20] BitMEX_Sam : And of course like all of them it can be disabled in preferences if it gets on your nerves.
[2015-12-12 23:02:39] cekseh : I wasn't implying that it was a bad thing, theres a time and place to fomo. =)
[2015-12-12 23:04:38] wurstgelee : :D
[2015-12-12 23:04:58] wurstgelee : yep, i misread
[2015-12-12 23:05:17] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: agree that liquidations orders should be executed deeper in the market. Instead of hoping for 0 dpe and one day getting 24% would much rather get 0-2% all the time
[2015-12-12 23:06:01] justinlooking : something to catch price typos would be very welcome
[2015-12-12 23:10:03] cekseh : When trading with money it is important to make sure you don't enter the wrong numbers, since numbers of rather important.
[2015-12-12 23:10:16] cekseh : Capt obvious to the rescue
[2015-12-12 23:10:19] cekseh : =D
[2015-12-12 23:10:39] wurstgelee : haha
[2015-12-12 23:12:07] habibi : i used to miss that few times cekseh:p
[2015-12-12 23:12:31] habibi : specially when clicking on orderbook to grab some number contracts and it rapidly changes
[2015-12-12 23:16:23] justinlooking : rektage incoming
[2015-12-12 23:16:51] wurstgelee : depends
[2015-12-12 23:16:56] wurstgelee : a short rektage
[2015-12-12 23:16:59] wurstgelee : yep, probably
[2015-12-12 23:17:30] wurstgelee : lol @ okc trading 20 above hu0bi
[2015-12-12 23:18:03] irbbqu : Must...MC...bottomshorts...
[2015-12-12 23:19:36] podizzler3k : no rektbot?
[2015-12-12 23:19:46] wurstgelee : seen i a few times
[2015-12-12 23:19:48] wurstgelee : no rekts probably
[2015-12-12 23:20:12] wurstgelee : haha, hu0bi clearly disagrees
[2015-12-12 23:24:17] wurstgelee : nice buys orders
[2015-12-12 23:27:38] habibi : again some big holder will fuck up dpe :p?
[2015-12-12 23:28:20] wurstgelee : well, not the right spot i think
[2015-12-12 23:28:31] wurstgelee : hes clearly down currently
[2015-12-12 23:28:43] habibi : depends he is fomo
[2015-12-12 23:28:45] habibi : or he knows
[2015-12-12 23:28:52] habibi : but i quess its fomo
[2015-12-12 23:28:59] habibi : too much fomo is bad
[2015-12-12 23:29:02] wurstgelee : yep
[2015-12-12 23:29:12] habibi : fomo like that can ruin nice
[2015-12-12 23:29:35] wurstgelee : i was tempted to sell into those buys, should have done it :/
[2015-12-12 23:29:47] habibi : i sold
[2015-12-12 23:29:49] habibi : opened short
[2015-12-12 23:29:55] habibi : close short 2 dollars lower
[2015-12-12 23:30:05] wurstgelee : yep, exactly ;)
[2015-12-12 23:30:08] habibi : just fomo counter things
[2015-12-12 23:30:38] wurstgelee : didnt know how to handle the 20 gap between okc and huobi
[2015-12-12 23:30:40] wurstgelee : so i didnt
[2015-12-12 23:33:36] zanza : good morning
[2015-12-12 23:33:51] habibi : evening here, heey
[2015-12-12 23:34:11] mrp1nk : out
[2015-12-12 23:34:21] habibi : too late
[2015-12-12 23:35:01] wurstgelee : damn, that would have been a good short ;)
[2015-12-12 23:36:43] habibi : yea, longing from 230 on march 25 would be good long too
[2015-12-12 23:36:47] habibi : but who known?
[2015-12-12 23:36:49] habibi : :p
[2015-12-12 23:36:54] wurstgelee : :D
[2015-12-12 23:37:35] wurstgelee : Cpt Hindsight is a good friend of Cpt.Obvious
[2015-12-12 23:37:50] habibi : cpt dreamer is in both these guys
[2015-12-12 23:38:13] wurstgelee : that sounds a little gay somehow
[2015-12-12 23:38:28] habibi : aka wish thinker
[2015-12-12 23:38:33] habibi : true
[2015-12-12 23:38:56] wurstgelee : still 10 CNY gap
[2015-12-12 23:38:59] wurstgelee : weird
[2015-12-12 23:39:22] habibi : okc leader
[2015-12-12 23:39:28] habibi : whale waiting for hobi
[2015-12-12 23:39:33] habibi : dont want to use own fiat to pump
[2015-12-12 23:39:38] habibi : so let people do it
[2015-12-12 23:39:43] wurstgelee : hu0bi doesnt play along so far
[2015-12-12 23:39:46] habibi : just a theory
[2015-12-12 23:40:00] macios15 : guys if we go up to 2950 we got nice upward canal
[2015-12-12 23:40:18] habibi : if we go up to 6300 we will go nice upward canal to 6301
[2015-12-12 23:40:20] habibi : wordd
[2015-12-12 23:40:30] macios15 : then break 3132-3345
[2015-12-12 23:40:33] wurstgelee : bull trend is not broken anyways imo
[2015-12-12 23:40:35] macios15 : and moon zone
[2015-12-12 23:41:00] zanza : wurstgelee: true, but people gunna get very jumpy once 3100 hits
[2015-12-12 23:41:09] zanza : (if it hits again)
[2015-12-12 23:41:12] macios15 : it looks more like eliot waves than clear pump
[2015-12-12 23:41:16] wurstgelee : will/should
[2015-12-12 23:41:39] habibi : anyway still double top with 2nd lower, bubble ended and so is possible as well, right?
[2015-12-12 23:41:39] zanza : yes the bull trend looks alive still
[2015-12-12 23:41:47] zanza : habibi: possible
[2015-12-12 23:42:05] wurstgelee : i like the trend intact theory more
[2015-12-12 23:42:07] wurstgelee : :D
[2015-12-12 23:42:13] habibi : just look at gox data after 1151 and look for same pattern now
[2015-12-12 23:42:13] zanza : 3340 is previous resistance
[2015-12-12 23:42:16] habibi : in smaller timeframe
[2015-12-12 23:44:42] psyfur : i think now its not a doubletop
[2015-12-12 23:45:00] psyfur : gonna look for a good long entry
[2015-12-12 23:45:01] sleger : thanks for bringing the price back up guys
[2015-12-12 23:45:11] wurstgelee : sleger: it was you right?
[2015-12-12 23:45:13] wurstgelee : the buys? :)
[2015-12-12 23:45:18] macios15 : range for this triangle is 2950-3k i think
[2015-12-12 23:45:21] macios15 : i mean breakout
[2015-12-12 23:45:26] wurstgelee : @ 442?
[2015-12-12 23:45:34] habibi : it was him :)
[2015-12-12 23:45:52] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 1528 @ 440.45
[2015-12-12 23:45:53] wurstgelee : thougt that anyways ;)
[2015-12-12 23:45:59] wurstgelee : *h
[2015-12-12 23:46:09] sleger : no i was waiting to sell back higher than previous 24h settlement
[2015-12-12 23:46:34] habibi : so u still have ur contracts from previous 24 ? :D
[2015-12-12 23:46:39] wurstgelee : haha
[2015-12-12 23:47:12] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 14300 @ 442.52 <b>MEGA-REKT</b>
[2015-12-12 23:47:16] wurstgelee : "i refuse to pay the clawback, i keep my contracts."
[2015-12-12 23:47:22] habibi : lololol
[2015-12-12 23:47:30] wurstgelee : lolol
[2015-12-12 23:47:48] wurstgelee : mewn
[2015-12-12 23:47:52] habibi : sleger: close a bit of ur short on this.
[2015-12-12 23:48:12] macios15 : that premium
[2015-12-12 23:53:06] habibi : anyway sleger i wish u rekt, nothing personal just jealous u made too much money yesterday :)
[2015-12-12 23:53:21] habibi : peace bro !
[2015-12-12 23:55:09] sleger : wurstgelee: yes i need these 5btc back
[2015-12-12 23:55:48] habibi : hopefully u will need to get 15 btc back ;p
[2015-12-12 23:55:51] habibi : tomorrow :p
[2015-12-12 23:56:05] sleger : habibi: i was overall long 100btc during the crash. I said i was long 400-500btc before, then at 450-460 I said I reduced my long to 100-200, which I reduced again during the crash, then after settlement this am long 600btc, now 400btc
[2015-12-12 23:56:32] habibi : but u were safe even at the bottom of crash right?
[2015-12-12 23:56:48] sleger : oh yeah of course, I NEVER leverage more than 3-4x
[2015-12-12 23:56:53] habibi : i mean u opened it in majority under 400?
[2015-12-12 23:57:06] sleger : my long ? around 200-220
[2015-12-12 23:57:12] habibi : and u close ur position fast to close lost?
[2015-12-12 23:58:14] sleger : ? what that mean
[2015-12-12 23:58:39] habibi : what u do when u getting loss on position like if we drop to 435
[2015-12-12 23:59:06] sleger : i dont "lose" i just gave back part of profits
[2015-12-12 23:59:17] sleger : not sure I understand what you're saying...
[2015-12-12 23:59:36] habibi : nvm then.
[2015-12-13 00:02:12] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 2000 @ 438.32
[2015-12-13 00:09:46] habibi : sleger: u opening more and more?
[2015-12-13 00:09:53] sleger : yes
[2015-12-13 00:10:03] sleger : I'm gonna create 110% DPE
[2015-12-13 00:10:06] sleger : revenge time
[2015-12-13 00:10:11] habibi : :D
[2015-12-13 00:10:12] HowDoge : you guys needs to trigger a sound clip that goes MEGAREKT :D
[2015-12-13 00:10:39] habibi : so personal vendetta againts DPE
[2015-12-13 00:10:42] habibi : round 1
[2015-12-13 00:10:44] habibi : start
[2015-12-13 00:12:21] habibi : u know, its zero sum game, u win someone loose, so its good for majority as a weaker players than u to get u rekt :p
[2015-12-13 00:13:48] wurstgelee : good point ;)
[2015-12-13 00:16:38] habibi : gonna smoke
[2015-12-13 00:17:05] habibi : when i ll be back i wanna see sleger rekt :p
[2015-12-13 00:29:21] justinlooking : is okc broken?
[2015-12-13 00:29:28] habibi : why?
[2015-12-13 00:31:04] justinlooking : the depth (20 cny either way) on cny is behaving erratically
[2015-12-13 00:32:25] habibi : they manipulating order depth many times
[2015-12-13 00:33:24] justinlooking : in this size tho? smelly fucky
[2015-12-13 00:33:54] justinlooking : maybe it's whalesong
[2015-12-13 00:36:15] habibi : weeklys are pretty cheap, why?
[2015-12-13 00:36:29] habibi : bulls burned too much last night ?
[2015-12-13 00:37:25] 24hourz : this is going to go up strong
[2015-12-13 00:37:32] habibi : coz?
[2015-12-13 00:38:09] wurstgelee : cos he wants you to buy his sells
[2015-12-13 00:38:10] wurstgelee : :D
[2015-12-13 00:39:04] 24hourz : breakout time ?
[2015-12-13 00:39:23] 24hourz : no fuel though
[2015-12-13 00:39:31] justinlooking : believe
[2015-12-13 00:41:00] 24hourz : I did and I went in
[2015-12-13 00:41:02] wurstgelee : i hate it when okc does those walkups in a straight line
[2015-12-13 00:41:41] 24hourz : yeah
[2015-12-13 00:42:28] wurstgelee : almost never ends well ;)
[2015-12-13 01:06:00] habibi : eh nice bid okc
[2015-12-13 02:16:54] habibi : sleger: why u going out of position?
[2015-12-13 02:33:07] zanza : Witam wszystkich , jak leci ?
[2015-12-13 02:38:27] habibi : nudno do przodu
[2015-12-13 02:38:32] habibi : a tam?
[2015-12-13 02:39:38] cataquil : frontrunner bot
[2015-12-13 02:39:48] habibi : 1k one?
[2015-12-13 02:39:54] cataquil : 49
[2015-12-13 02:40:04] habibi : ah why u care :p
[2015-12-13 02:40:53] cataquil : warp da spread
[2015-12-13 02:56:24] habibi : sleger: please stop ruining the market and stoping it
[2015-12-13 02:56:56] habibi : ah thank u
[2015-12-13 03:06:06] psyfur : premium shrunk from $8 to $2 lol
[2015-12-13 03:06:23] wurstgelee : and 2900 got smashed
[2015-12-13 03:14:10] habibi : sleger got scared of his position and stopped market
[2015-12-13 03:14:31] wurstgelee : is he shorting?
[2015-12-13 03:15:36] habibi : nah, long
[2015-12-13 03:15:57] habibi : for about 240 btc here @442
[2015-12-13 03:16:02] wurstgelee : why should he stop a market moving up then?
[2015-12-13 03:16:19] cataquil : well I hit those 47 bids at market
[2015-12-13 03:16:21] habibi : coz he started to getting out of this position and placed walls
[2015-12-13 03:16:35] habibi : so most action happened in front of walls
[2015-12-13 03:16:36] cataquil : by mistake, thought I was still long about 150
[2015-12-13 03:17:10] cataquil : so I bailed paying the spread for a .0008 loss
[2015-12-13 03:17:28] cataquil : going to bed
[2015-12-13 03:17:46] cataquil : hope she rallies for u all more tonite
[2015-12-13 03:32:54] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1000 @ 438.95
[2015-12-13 03:42:00] psyfur : tfw you go long when
[2015-12-13 03:42:12] psyfur : price was $10 cheaper
[2015-12-13 03:42:21] psyfur : and futures doesnt move
[2015-12-13 03:58:34] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1000 @ 438.08
[2015-12-13 03:59:34] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1046 @ 437.77
[2015-12-13 03:59:35] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 12 @ 437.60
[2015-12-13 04:00:54] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 31785 @ 435.98 <b>MEGA-REKT</b>
[2015-12-13 04:01:58] habibi : sleger: thats u?
[2015-12-13 04:02:04] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 215 @ 433.89
[2015-12-13 04:02:04] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 20000 @ 433.14 <b>MEGA-REKT</b>
[2015-12-13 04:02:07] sleger : no duh
[2015-12-13 04:02:21] sleger : i said my leverage is max 3-4
[2015-12-13 04:02:54] habibi : welcome dpeee
[2015-12-13 04:03:34] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 100 @ 435.60
[2015-12-13 04:04:34] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 2662 @ 423.39
[2015-12-13 04:04:54] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 4953 @ 422.55
[2015-12-13 04:05:24] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 5000 @ 430.41
[2015-12-13 04:05:30] 24hourz : getting rekt
[2015-12-13 04:06:51] 24hourz : bitcoin wisdom okcoin acting up for anyone else ?
[2015-12-13 04:06:53] psyfur : i bought, spot went up $10 but it only went up $2 here, then it dumped here in unison with spot
[2015-12-13 04:06:58] 24hourz : where to see the price live
[2015-12-13 04:07:06] psyfur : so, yeah.
[2015-12-13 04:07:20] podizzler3k : looks like more DPE
[2015-12-13 04:07:41] habibi : so basically i made like 0.7 btc trading
[2015-12-13 04:07:47] laisee : payfu> index price here is calculated on several exchanges.
[2015-12-13 04:07:48] habibi : and now 2 btc withheld
[2015-12-13 04:07:59] habibi : so can end up with less than i start?
[2015-12-13 04:08:15] wurstgelee : dpe going down again
[2015-12-13 04:08:56] psyfur : laisee i know but what i'm saying is 24h didn't move while price rallied like $8
[2015-12-13 04:09:13] psyfur : so i'm just annoyed
[2015-12-13 04:09:25] sleger : well so if dpe always eat 10-24% of your profit and you pay commissions seems like a loosing game
[2015-12-13 04:09:33] habibi : yep
[2015-12-13 04:09:43] habibi : u can gain money
[2015-12-13 04:09:56] habibi : and at settlement loose more then u earn
[2015-12-13 04:10:01] podizzler3k : i wonder if that guys 64k stop loss gonna get eaten
[2015-12-13 04:11:05] sleger : if not no point being short
[2015-12-13 04:11:13] habibi : thats what i had yesterday
[2015-12-13 04:11:18] habibi : same story sleger
[2015-12-13 04:11:24] habibi : but yesterday u were biggest holder
[2015-12-13 04:11:32] habibi : of shorts so u could still make some profit possible
[2015-12-13 04:11:43] sleger : XBT24H -39453
[2015-12-13 04:12:02] sleger : @436.08
[2015-12-13 04:12:23] habibi : u shorting?
[2015-12-13 04:12:25] habibi : atm?
[2015-12-13 04:13:35] sleger : no i shorted earlier
[2015-12-13 04:13:52] habibi : hm werent u 50k long?
[2015-12-13 04:13:53] 24hourz : next waterfall coming up
[2015-12-13 04:13:59] micmix : did we lose one MM today?
[2015-12-13 04:14:59] podizzler3k : come on china lets make those stop losses regret it
[2015-12-13 04:15:09] micmix : I wasn't paying attention earlier, maybe it's just now bc of volatility
[2015-12-13 04:16:31] 24hourz : willy about to dump on huobi
[2015-12-13 04:18:06] podizzler3k : 24hourz why you say
[2015-12-13 04:18:30] ethexio : Lol
[2015-12-13 04:19:35] micmix : what happened yesterday, big DPE?
[2015-12-13 04:19:41] sleger : wow someone selling lots
[2015-12-13 04:19:52] habibi : on 24?
[2015-12-13 04:19:57] habibi : guess thats u
[2015-12-13 04:19:59] sleger : yes i just bought 200btc
[2015-12-13 04:20:09] sleger : @427
[2015-12-13 04:20:18] habibi : it was closing position i guess
[2015-12-13 04:20:23] habibi : only 122k coontracts left
[2015-12-13 04:20:43] habibi : what did u do with long at 442?
[2015-12-13 04:20:44] micmix : yeah, there was a 20k+ sell posted
[2015-12-13 04:21:03] sleger : micmix: even after i took it there was more
[2015-12-13 04:21:06] micmix : my bot ate a bit
[2015-12-13 04:21:27] sleger : i went from short 200 btc to long 10
[2015-12-13 04:21:35] sleger : in xbt24h
[2015-12-13 04:22:00] micmix : good call, my bot almost closed short on that sell
[2015-12-13 04:25:01] podizzler3k : sleger bitvc is huobi futures basically?
[2015-12-13 04:25:04] podizzler3k : i was checking it out
[2015-12-13 04:25:21] sleger : not really no.
[2015-12-13 04:25:32] sleger : it is a hu0bi company yes
[2015-12-13 04:25:54] podizzler3k : i see
[2015-12-13 04:26:11] podizzler3k : sleger when did you go short yesterday
[2015-12-13 04:26:16] sleger : no dpe, when they cant close at market they reduce opposite positions which is awesome
[2015-12-13 04:26:34] podizzler3k : before the dump started or just as it started
[2015-12-13 04:26:41] sleger : @460 i went from long 400-500 to long 100
[2015-12-13 04:26:47] podizzler3k : i see
[2015-12-13 04:26:49] sleger : before
[2015-12-13 04:27:29] sleger : in the middle of the dump i went almost flat but i didnt post that as i was too busy. All my other trades were posted before moves happened.
[2015-12-13 04:27:53] 24hourz : here we go
[2015-12-13 04:29:04] habibi : where:D?
[2015-12-13 04:29:11] habibi : its end already, china stopped it
[2015-12-13 04:29:25] ethexio : Where we going?
[2015-12-13 04:29:34] habibi : hm its sunday
[2015-12-13 04:29:35] habibi : already
[2015-12-13 04:29:38] ethexio : To the right!
[2015-12-13 04:29:41] habibi : u want to go church?
[2015-12-13 04:29:53] ethexio : This is church.
[2015-12-13 04:29:59] zanza : is this the dump boys?
[2015-12-13 04:30:01] habibi : this is sanctuary
[2015-12-13 04:30:10] habibi : and be pray to DPE god
[2015-12-13 04:31:44] sleger : pray or prey...
[2015-12-13 04:32:02] 24hourz : huobi down
[2015-12-13 04:32:05] habibi : both
[2015-12-13 04:32:08] 24hourz : huobi ?
[2015-12-13 04:32:18] habibi : but yea, prey was the idea
[2015-12-13 04:32:26] 24hourz : okcoin
[2015-12-13 04:32:29] 24hourz : hahaha
[2015-12-13 04:32:41] habibi : huobi is not down
[2015-12-13 04:32:44] habibi : okcoin is working
[2015-12-13 04:32:48] habibi : stfu please :)
[2015-12-13 04:33:23] 24hourz : bitcoin wisdom has really not been cutting it on these dumps
[2015-12-13 04:33:42] habibi : yea wisdom sucks like at least few times per day these days
[2015-12-13 04:35:58] podizzler3k : all those stop losses that didnt fill filling up
[2015-12-13 04:42:45] wurstgelee : okcoin being like "dump? sec, ill undo it"
[2015-12-13 04:43:17] habibi : yea ctrl+z
[2015-12-13 04:44:30] zanza : BEAR TRAP
[2015-12-13 04:45:55] wurstgelee : that dump?
[2015-12-13 04:46:18] wurstgelee : for whale-sized bears maybe
[2015-12-13 05:11:46] uiop : 24hourz, habibi: it doesn't count as a big move unless wisdom breaks
[2015-12-13 05:25:09] zanza : do you guys think Fed will raise rates?
[2015-12-13 05:25:15] zanza : should I short SnP?
[2015-12-13 05:25:41] zanza : is rapidtrades on ?
[2015-12-13 05:27:09] laisee : zanza> if they don't raise rates things will get ... interesting. but looks like markets have priced in a raise.
[2015-12-13 05:53:37] chrisxbt : wow futures fomo'd hard
[2015-12-13 06:27:24] zanza : http://www.androidauthority.com/best-of-android-2015-camera-660810/
[2015-12-13 06:32:23] podizzler3k : fomo'd now?
[2015-12-13 06:32:32] podizzler3k : this like the 4th time we been here
[2015-12-13 06:32:44] podizzler3k : that was 30 minutes ago eh
[2015-12-13 06:38:58] podizzler3k : wow giant sell walls on both okc and huobi now
[2015-12-13 06:55:58] AudibleScience : my sell orders are posted with a dollar premium on cryptowat.ch?? anyone else noticed that?
[2015-12-13 08:26:33] ethexio : Help
[2015-12-13 08:30:03] BitMEX_Wally : ethexio: Hello
[2015-12-13 08:41:38] zanza : spike time
[2015-12-13 08:42:35] ethexio : Meh, laggy
[2015-12-13 08:51:38] podizzler3k : these walls at 2900 are re GD diculous
[2015-12-13 08:51:48] podizzler3k : combined 8000btc between okc and hub
[2015-12-13 08:51:53] podizzler3k : down a bit now
[2015-12-13 08:51:59] podizzler3k : but thats what it was an hour ago
[2015-12-13 09:06:56] TschavaTschigger : hm.. only 1.1 bitcoins.. https://www.dronesetc.com/products/vortex-racequad
[2015-12-13 09:12:05] podizzler3k : well when you put it that way...
[2015-12-13 09:12:11] podizzler3k : only 1.1?
[2015-12-13 09:12:19] podizzler3k : ill take 10
[2015-12-13 09:16:48] TschavaTschigger : yeah, in bitcoin everything seems so fuking cheap
[2015-12-13 09:40:41] zanza : what would you do with those?
[2015-12-13 09:40:51] zanza : its actually 1100 mbtx
[2015-12-13 09:45:07] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 402 @ 434.26
[2015-12-13 10:04:06] podizzler3k : doh
[2015-12-13 10:04:24] podizzler3k : mbtx? really
[2015-12-13 10:04:38] podizzler3k : id rather use satoshis
[2015-12-13 10:05:33] podizzler3k : 1100 ksats
[2015-12-13 10:09:00] TschavaTschigger : 1100 kats is wrong btw
[2015-12-13 10:09:53] TschavaTschigger : should be 110k ksats
[2015-12-13 10:12:26] TschavaTschigger : zanza: racing?
[2015-12-13 10:12:34] TschavaTschigger : zanza: it's fun
[2015-12-13 10:17:13] TschavaTschigger : i feel like we are gonna crash today
[2015-12-13 10:32:05] podizzler3k : oh yeah
[2015-12-13 10:32:12] podizzler3k : 110k ksats
[2015-12-13 10:32:14] podizzler3k : haha
[2015-12-13 10:32:55] podizzler3k : 1.1 megasats
[2015-12-13 10:47:45] TschavaTschigger : wrong again.... 110 megasats lol
[2015-12-13 10:48:30] TschavaTschigger : 0.11 gigasats sounds cool
[2015-12-13 10:49:48] TschavaTschigger : i will use nothing but megasat and gigasat on bitmex from now on
[2015-12-13 11:10:11] thehawthorne : god im sober
[2015-12-13 11:10:13] thehawthorne : tell me
[2015-12-13 11:10:22] thehawthorne : what happened last 12 hours
[2015-12-13 11:11:52] TschavaTschigger : not much I think, but I was sleeping too
[2015-12-13 11:13:48] AudibleScience : thehawthorne: up a bit... then a bit of a crash and then a semi-recovery... and then a lot of sideways action!
[2015-12-13 11:14:27] AudibleScience : thehawthorne: lol but you can just look at the chart... to see what I mean...
[2015-12-13 11:15:09] thehawthorne : tried.. headache won't let me seriously look at anything though
[2015-12-13 11:15:52] AudibleScience : thehawthorne: lol then you have my summary for now...
[2015-12-13 11:16:01] thehawthorne : need to order some pizza to maintain functionality
[2015-12-13 11:16:19] thehawthorne : yep, thanks. :-)
[2015-12-13 11:17:50] HotDogs : Big saturday night
[2015-12-13 11:18:04] AudibleScience : thehawthorne: pizza sounds like a great idea! ;-)
[2015-12-13 11:32:09] rapidtrades : any bot makers around? paging micmix:
[2015-12-13 11:32:33] cataquil : yep 72
[2015-12-13 11:32:54] cataquil : well its runnin
[2015-12-13 11:33:01] cataquil : i mean
[2015-12-13 11:33:34] rapidtrades : no I have some questions re: where to start
[2015-12-13 11:34:16] cataquil : u code?
[2015-12-13 11:39:09] rapidtrades : not yet
[2015-12-13 11:39:43] TschavaTschigger : i'm not an expert, but I guess if you wanna start coding from zero, start with python... powerful yet easy to learn
[2015-12-13 11:41:52] TschavaTschigger : quite popular for any kind of bots
[2015-12-13 11:43:28] rapidtrades : yeah looks like c++ and python are the two main options...is c++ faster?
[2015-12-13 11:44:03] TschavaTschigger : speed doesn't matter in the bitcoin trading world
[2015-12-13 11:44:11] cataquil : probably colocating close to bitmex server is more important than language
[2015-12-13 11:45:07] TschavaTschigger : speed difference for small bot logic between language is mikroseconds, maybe even jsut nanoseconds
[2015-12-13 11:45:08] habibi : ah people would pay tens of btc to have automated integration of rapidtrades reversed indicator in bot
[2015-12-13 11:45:15] cataquil : I remember in 2006 I could get fills in forex/futures with bloomberg news feed wired to submit order based on GDP or NFP for example
[2015-12-13 11:45:59] cataquil : but by 2008 the big algo companies colocated on the exchange were quote stuffing out everybody
[2015-12-13 11:46:32] cataquil : a big race on the wire new york->chicago
[2015-12-13 11:46:33] TschavaTschigger : real financial markets are much more liquid, plus they have the infrastructure to allow fast algo trading
[2015-12-13 11:46:51] TschavaTschigger : bitcoin trading is not that speed dependent, especially not here on bitmex
[2015-12-13 11:48:00] rapidtrades : I plan to use the language in forex as well, but I won't need much speed over there. I will need speed in bitcoin cause I want to program mm and arbs bots
[2015-12-13 11:48:26] TschavaTschigger : so you don't know how to code, but you wanna write trading bot for forex markets?
[2015-12-13 11:48:29] TschavaTschigger : good luck
[2015-12-13 11:48:54] deeprocks : hey guys
[2015-12-13 11:49:20] habibi : hello
[2015-12-13 11:52:13] cataquil : it depends what you want to do
[2015-12-13 11:52:53] cataquil : if it is a strategy, like a sunday gap fill, or some technical strategy then fine
[2015-12-13 11:53:13] cataquil : but if you are looking at frontrunning order flow then you have serious competition
[2015-12-13 11:54:30] TschavaTschigger : cataquil: not on bitmex though
[2015-12-13 11:54:35] rapidtrades : in forex I will just automate my current strats. they're more longterm
[2015-12-13 11:55:08] cataquil : well exactly and that obviously the arb that algos from other markets see here
[2015-12-13 11:55:20] rapidtrades : also test new strats
[2015-12-13 11:55:25] cataquil : there are plenty of resources online
[2015-12-13 11:55:26] cataquil : https://github.com/joequant/bitquant
[2015-12-13 11:55:54] rapidtrades : tnx, added to bookmarks
[2015-12-13 11:56:58] cataquil : the human neuro wiring is vastly more intricate and can process multiple technical and fundamental events
[2015-12-13 11:57:47] cataquil : however the language processing code of reneissance capital can process a fed speech faster than you can download the pdf from bloomberg
[2015-12-13 11:58:16] cataquil : but not feds in bitcoin
[2015-12-13 12:00:51] TschavaTschigger : true