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[2015-11-05 02:25:09] nickhnt : Should ve kept my short opened
[2015-11-05 02:25:17] nickhnt : xd
[2015-11-05 02:25:31] messiaen8844 : too bad i Had to work
[2015-11-05 02:26:00] nickhnt : At least i got out right before the mega dump started
[2015-11-05 02:26:36] messiaen8844 : yes, sold last 10 BTC at $ 500 in brazilian exchange
[2015-11-05 02:27:08] messiaen8844 : got some shorting but missed the action due to work and real life
[2015-11-05 02:27:11] nickhnt : Congratz :)
[2015-11-05 02:27:45] messiaen8844 : not really congrats, I took profits way too early from my longs
[2015-11-05 02:27:52] nickhnt : Lost 8 btc today but thats okay xd
[2015-11-05 02:28:08] messiaen8844 : could have earned much more but got scared
[2015-11-05 02:28:30] nickhnt : Yeah dont tell me about it.. I opened a short at 534
[2015-11-05 02:28:39] nickhnt : Got out too early
[2015-11-05 02:28:42] messiaen8844 : mine was 541 ;) ;)
[2015-11-05 02:29:06] messiaen8844 : but couldn hold it, did about 1.5 btc only
[2015-11-05 02:29:17] nickhnt : Ah thats cool
[2015-11-05 02:29:29] nickhnt : I made 1 btc from that short too
[2015-11-05 02:30:43] nickhnt : Tomorrow will be crazier with the auction and stuff
[2015-11-05 02:30:55] nickhnt : I dont think that ill trade
[2015-11-05 02:31:05] messiaen8844 : yes, the big whales may let things go up then BAAM
[2015-11-05 02:31:30] nickhnt : For suree
[2015-11-05 02:31:40] messiaen8844 : thats the scariest of bitcoin, there are people with way too much bitcoin lol
[2015-11-05 02:32:20] j8 : but there are also way too many people with none
[2015-11-05 02:32:40] nickhnt : Its the 1%, lol
[2015-11-05 02:34:02] nickhnt : More dump action
[2015-11-05 02:35:42] messiaen8844 : cool $ 10 on short
[2015-11-05 02:35:45] messiaen8844 : tesing that 440
[2015-11-05 02:37:33] nickhnt : Strange that huobi is not following the dump as hard as bitfinex
[2015-11-05 02:38:00] messiaen8844 : yes, wall street vs china
[2015-11-05 02:38:03] joequant : I don't think it is strange.
[2015-11-05 02:38:31] joequant : ironically a lot of the people that run bitfinex work in Hong Kong
[2015-11-05 02:38:32] messiaen8844 : up now
[2015-11-05 02:38:46] joequant : But they cater to a western audience.
[2015-11-05 02:39:29] nickhnt : Yeah thats true
[2015-11-05 02:40:05] messiaen8844 : second monitor needed for china chart ;)
[2015-11-05 02:40:16] dynamike23 : the dumps are stronger on okcasino
[2015-11-05 02:40:47] joequant : okcoin is more trader focused. They have tools like stop loss orders.
[2015-11-05 02:40:49] nickhnt : Going to sleep, tomorrow will be heavy
[2015-11-05 02:40:59] joequant : huobi and btcc are more retail
[2015-11-05 02:41:19] chromaticcr : joequant: Ithought ok was gambeler focused
[2015-11-05 02:41:23] dynamike23 : joequant: didn't know that, thx for the info
[2015-11-05 02:41:42] messiaen8844 : lol @ the spread now, damn market bot
[2015-11-05 02:41:53] ayy lmao : lol
[2015-11-05 02:41:58] joequant : trader/gambler in china those two aren't that different.
[2015-11-05 02:42:13] joequant : the except that gamblers are worse at trading.
[2015-11-05 02:42:26] messiaen8844 : hint : never hit market cose ;)
[2015-11-05 02:42:42] SnackyCoins : they aren't different everywhere
[2015-11-05 02:42:46] joequant : huobi is going for retail brokerage customers. btcc is specializing in payments
[2015-11-05 02:42:49] SnackyCoins : opening a business is a gamble too
[2015-11-05 02:43:12] joequant : 796 is going into the professional futures market
[2015-11-05 02:43:41] chromaticcr : they are trying to do what 1broker is doing
[2015-11-05 02:44:44] SnackyCoins : somebody say 1broker? https://goo.gl/4Z50mS
[2015-11-05 02:45:14] chromaticcr : dont have to click to know that it is a referral link ;)
[2015-11-05 02:45:24] SnackyCoins : 8)
[2015-11-05 02:45:30] joequant : it helps 796 that futures with cash is highly restricted. futures with bitcoin is not
[2015-11-05 02:46:12] joequant : the chinese government is encouraging this sort of thing because if your broker goes under you'll ask for a bailout from the government.
[2015-11-05 02:46:27] joequant : if you lose your money with 796, tough luck.
[2015-11-05 02:46:55] joequant : hell if 796 steals your money, the government ain't going to do much.
[2015-11-05 02:47:03] joequant : except laugh at you
[2015-11-05 02:47:44] SnackyCoins : 796 was my vote for "most likely to get hacked next 2015" but they have actually been pretty rock solid
[2015-11-05 02:48:04] SnackyCoins : and caution with deposits goes for any of the chinese exchanges
[2015-11-05 02:48:14] messiaen8844 : so, how does bids for auction occur?
[2015-11-05 02:48:26] messiaen8844 : what is the time of bids or have they closed already?
[2015-11-05 02:49:14] joequant : the nice thing about the chinese exchanges is that they all hate each other.
[2015-11-05 02:49:17] SnackyCoins : it's wednesday night in america, i think they are supposed to happen tomorrow
[2015-11-05 02:49:25] SnackyCoins : joe: why would you say that?
[2015-11-05 02:49:42] SnackyCoins : the smaller exchanges are remarketing okc's books
[2015-11-05 02:49:54] messiaen8844 : they all hate us with all tha fake volume ;)
[2015-11-05 02:49:59] joequant : If you ask people at okcoin about huobi and btcc, you'll get a ton of dirt.
[2015-11-05 02:50:13] joequant : works the other way.
[2015-11-05 02:50:16] SnackyCoins : they usually all make statements together on big issues like bitcoin xt
[2015-11-05 02:50:21] messiaen8844 : i think that is way too sketchy and too bad fo bitcoin that we cant have god volume metrics
[2015-11-05 02:50:36] SnackyCoins : there are lies, damn lies, and chinese bitcoin exchange volumes
[2015-11-05 02:50:57] joequant : I don't see why exchange volumes are so important unless you are a VC
[2015-11-05 02:51:16] joequant : it's only important if you want to invest and are looking for a proxy for income.
[2015-11-05 02:51:29] SnackyCoins : its to attract traders
[2015-11-05 02:51:32] messiaen8844 : volume is also a trading indicator
[2015-11-05 02:52:01] messiaen8844 : regulated markets can't do that fake volume, seeling to each other
[2015-11-05 02:52:21] joequant : you really believe that?
[2015-11-05 02:52:33] joequant : What you do is to put in a market making bot
[2015-11-05 02:52:42] messiaen8844 : well, not that blatantly
[2015-11-05 02:52:46] micmix : volume on zero-fee exchanges is meaningless. our bots on OKC do crazy volume with not that much capital
[2015-11-05 02:52:47] joequant : And just tell the regulator that you are increasing liquidity
[2015-11-05 02:54:12] messiaen8844 : indeed thanks for the enlightnment ;)
[2015-11-05 02:54:33] joequant : unless you are price fixing the regulator doesn't care, and neither does anyone else.
[2015-11-05 02:54:39] micmix : and you can't say it's 'fake' volume unless it's the exchange itself trading
[2015-11-05 02:54:46] joequant : it could be that your bot actually does increase liquidity
[2015-11-05 02:55:07] joequant : nasdaq and nyse don't self-trade
[2015-11-05 02:55:23] joequant : But all the investment banks have internal exchanges that do.
[2015-11-05 02:55:42] joequant : And the volume on those can be higher than the public exchanges.
[2015-11-05 02:56:36] joequant : oddly enough the main purpose of an exchange is not to exchange bitcoin or shares.
[2015-11-05 02:56:41] joequant : it's for price discovery.
[2015-11-05 02:57:39] messiaen8844 : action
[2015-11-05 02:58:55] messiaen8844 : love symetry
[2015-11-05 03:10:09] mikeh : you should see my balls
[2015-11-05 03:10:33] messiaen8844 : china breaks 3080 = all in
[2015-11-05 03:12:17] messiaen8844 : next stop 470
[2015-11-05 03:13:25] wurstgelee : 480
[2015-11-05 03:13:31] wurstgelee : go all in ;)
[2015-11-05 03:14:35] mikeh : 1000% but only 1500 contracts
[2015-11-05 03:15:19] mikeh : setting myself up to fail
[2015-11-05 03:18:12] zanza : messiaen8844: get ready
[2015-11-05 03:19:59] messiaen8844 : son
[2015-11-05 03:20:01] messiaen8844 : soon
[2015-11-05 03:26:52] messiaen8844 : replay
[2015-11-05 03:26:53] messiaen8844 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs
[2015-11-05 03:29:26] floopfloop : is admins on?
[2015-11-05 03:32:43] messiaen8844 : ggogo
[2015-11-05 03:34:27] BitMEX_Wally : floopfloop: Hello
[2015-11-05 03:34:35] floopfloop : Hi Wally
[2015-11-05 03:34:43] joequant : get ready for the post-lunch crash.
[2015-11-05 03:34:45] floopfloop : BitMEX_Wally: Are you able to see my recent deposit?
[2015-11-05 03:34:46] messiaen8844 : those admins don't sleep lol?
[2015-11-05 03:34:51] BitMEX_Wally : floopfloop: Let me check
[2015-11-05 03:35:29] joequant : So you have a chinese institutional bitcoin trader. He made money this morning, he had a nice big lunch and he is going to sell.
[2015-11-05 03:36:33] laisee : whats his name? maybe we can talk him out of it.
[2015-11-05 03:36:36] messiaen8844 : good theory
[2015-11-05 03:36:41] BitMEX_Wally : floopfloop: I see a deposit that confirmed 4 hours ago
[2015-11-05 03:36:51] floopfloop : no its more recent
[2015-11-05 03:37:00] floopfloop : I am not seeing it on the blockchain
[2015-11-05 03:37:10] BitMEX_Wally : Ahh well, then we won't see it either :)
[2015-11-05 03:37:23] floopfloop : gah
[2015-11-05 03:38:14] BitMEX_Wally : The moment we see it on the blockchain we add a pending transaction to your account
[2015-11-05 03:38:19] BitMEX_Wally : I think we send an email too
[2015-11-05 03:38:23] BitMEX_Wally : Then after 1 confirmation it is credited
[2015-11-05 03:38:31] messiaen8844 : how is bitcoin network holding these days wally?
[2015-11-05 03:38:43] floopfloop : its a scam dude
[2015-11-05 03:38:59] BitMEX_Wally : Bitcoin network is holding fine, you just need to make sure there is a high enough tx fee on your transactions :)
[2015-11-05 03:39:00] floopfloop : bitcoin is a scam
[2015-11-05 03:39:10] floopfloop : sell your wives and your children
[2015-11-05 03:39:47] messiaen8844 : bitcoin is a scam, blockchain iswonderful
[2015-11-05 03:39:58] messiaen8844 : when it all goes bad, blame bitcoin no the chain
[2015-11-05 03:40:15] BitMEX_Wally : Yeah forget bitcoin. You should invest in blockchain shares
[2015-11-05 03:40:26] SnackyCoins : fintech tokens
[2015-11-05 03:40:30] BitMEX_Wally : These magic tokens that move around on the blockchain
[2015-11-05 03:41:03] messiaen8844 : ChainMEX
[2015-11-05 03:41:11] messiaen8844 : you should rebrand
[2015-11-05 03:41:46] messiaen8844 : first I heard"bitMEX" i was sure it was like the biggest exchange in mexico
[2015-11-05 03:42:33] dynamike23 : bitmexi
[2015-11-05 03:42:35] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Mercantile EXchange
[2015-11-05 03:45:16] messiaen8844 : Silk Road Exchange, now that's a cool name ;)
[2015-11-05 03:46:07] messiaen8844 : cool, market bot jst fucked us?
[2015-11-05 03:46:15] zanza : `XBT4D` has sparse orderbook
[2015-11-05 03:46:20] zanza : 7d*
[2015-11-05 03:47:13] SnackyCoins : so add some
[2015-11-05 03:47:26] zanza : =P
[2015-11-05 03:47:38] SnackyCoins : everyone wants liquidity and there is very little, that puts you at an advantage
[2015-11-05 03:49:00] SnackyCoins : there i lowered the spread for you on 7d
[2015-11-05 03:49:05] SnackyCoins : 8)
[2015-11-05 03:50:10] zanza : Huobi just dumped
[2015-11-05 03:50:35] zanza : brave move @SnackyCoins
[2015-11-05 03:51:27] SnackyCoins : i guess 8) have to play to win
[2015-11-05 03:52:18] SnackyCoins : 476.52 too high?
[2015-11-05 03:52:45] messiaen8844 : more volatility = less posts in reddit bitcoin because everyons watching the price ;)
[2015-11-05 03:53:06] SnackyCoins : here i came down more
[2015-11-05 03:53:10] SnackyCoins : 474.93
[2015-11-05 03:53:35] SnackyCoins : no buyers?
[2015-11-05 03:54:22] SnackyCoins : what do you want to buy at? 8)
[2015-11-05 03:54:54] messiaen8844 : blockchain shares
[2015-11-05 03:54:59] messiaen8844 : are you selling that as welll?
[2015-11-05 03:55:11] SnackyCoins : whatever you want to call them lol
[2015-11-05 03:55:15] SnackyCoins : order is on the books
[2015-11-05 04:01:32] ohmannomma : no action?
[2015-11-05 04:03:40] mikeh : stop limits rejected when they triggered, why
[2015-11-05 04:13:51] mikeh : nevermind, seems it was because my limit price was below order price, thought that would be equiv of selling at market but was rejected
[2015-11-05 04:14:11] mikeh : only after trigger was hit, should have been when stop limit was placed
[2015-11-05 04:22:25] BitMEX_Wally : mikeh: We have changed the risk system so that the risk checks are done with the StopLimit is triggered
[2015-11-05 04:22:52] BitMEX_Wally : We can now support Stop Market orders, we will update the GUI soon
[2015-11-05 04:23:10] mikeh : more like error check - yeah looking forward to t
[2015-11-05 04:23:16] mikeh : th
[2015-11-05 04:23:26] mikeh : wow, chat isn't even working for
[2015-11-05 04:24:41] messiaen8844 : ok, chinese took dump post-lunch, now time to buy again lol
[2015-11-05 04:25:03] joequant : actually that was the first dump
[2015-11-05 04:25:13] joequant : There will be a second one
[2015-11-05 04:25:16] messiaen8844 : no nerves to buy at that dip
[2015-11-05 04:25:24] joequant : That was the pre-lunch / naptime dip
[2015-11-05 04:25:35] joequant : there will be a bigger post lunch.
[2015-11-05 04:25:59] joequant : (And I mean naptime literally, if you work in an state company, you get naptime.)
[2015-11-05 04:26:33] j8 : communism's not so bad eh
[2015-11-05 04:26:44] joequant : a lot of this is guesswork
[2015-11-05 04:26:55] laisee : and free tea, delivered to your desk ...
[2015-11-05 04:27:03] joequant : mapping what I know about how companies work to the charts.
[2015-11-05 04:27:21] joequant : china is this werid mix of communism and capitalism
[2015-11-05 04:27:35] messiaen8844 : any regular time of higher volume in china?
[2015-11-05 04:27:53] joequant : still trying to map this out.
[2015-11-05 04:27:57] chromaticcr : Well thats what we call China styled communism
[2015-11-05 04:28:03] laisee : commnist poliitcst, capitalist economics
[2015-11-05 04:28:12] j8 : communist naps
[2015-11-05 04:28:18] joequant : it's differne tfrom the past
[2015-11-05 04:28:49] messiaen8844 : more like mixed economy, they do plan a lot, keynes-style
[2015-11-05 04:28:52] joequant : Also, party members will put their communist party member on the resumes they send to JPMorgan
[2015-11-05 04:29:10] joequant : And the most bizarre thing is that it helps you get a job at Goldman and JPMorgan.
[2015-11-05 04:29:16] laisee : I didn't see anything about naps in Max's writings. A nice touch.
[2015-11-05 04:29:29] messiaen8844 : Groucho Marx?
[2015-11-05 04:29:54] laisee : Its funny stuff, all right
[2015-11-05 04:30:11] mikeh : goldman sachs likes to own politican
[2015-11-05 04:31:14] messiaen8844 : Grouchman Marx
[2015-11-05 04:33:06] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Watch the woodchipper go
[2015-11-05 04:33:37] messiaen8844 : okcoin
[2015-11-05 04:33:42] messiaen8844 : lol, now I got it
[2015-11-05 04:33:46] messiaen8844 : fuck
[2015-11-05 04:34:09] chromaticcr : I wonder how our neighbour got the name woodchipper
[2015-11-05 04:34:44] messiaen8844 : fucking
[2015-11-05 04:35:10] messiaen8844 : ADMIN PLEASE INCLUDE a replace BITCOIN = BLOCKCHAIN SHARES
[2015-11-05 04:35:28] messiaen8844 : wall street will get en mass here
[2015-11-05 04:35:53] joequant : I'm pretty sure whoever is dumping is working somewhere that has naptime.
[2015-11-05 04:36:15] messiaen8844 : or they have associates
[2015-11-05 04:36:20] messiaen8844 : fellow woodchippers
[2015-11-05 04:36:36] joequant : If they were 100% capitalist they be more careful about dumping at the same time.
[2015-11-05 04:36:46] chromaticcr : what if they are planned and work on shift
[2015-11-05 04:36:54] joequant : It kills their profits.
[2015-11-05 04:37:01] joequant : They are working in shifts.
[2015-11-05 04:37:15] joequant : The dumps are exactly when brokers go on and off work.
[2015-11-05 04:37:16] messiaen8844 : work during shit?
[2015-11-05 04:37:46] joequant : But they are working somewhere that lunch is more important than getting maximum price.
[2015-11-05 04:38:02] laisee : communiss brokers?
[2015-11-05 04:38:33] joequant : brokers working for an state-owned enterprise.
[2015-11-05 04:38:43] joequant : or a family office
[2015-11-05 04:39:44] joequant : just guessing here, but I remember last year, the mornings were quiet and the action haapened in the evening when you had students and part-time traders.
[2015-11-05 04:40:38] chromaticcr : I am in the communist timezone
[2015-11-05 04:47:48] dynamike23 : set sail for fail
[2015-11-05 04:48:20] Scottv53 : morning folks
[2015-11-05 04:51:41] messiaen8844 : damn, how to trade this shit w
[2015-11-05 04:52:20] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : messiaen8844: 1. Look for breakdowns, 2. Short heavily, 3. Profit?
[2015-11-05 04:53:15] HotDogs : Buy low, sell high; sell high, buy low
[2015-11-05 04:53:17] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : t0% of the time it works everytime
[2015-11-05 04:53:21] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : *50%
[2015-11-05 04:53:38] messiaen8844 : got liquidated in a nasty long , one second later it goes up a lot lol
[2015-11-05 04:53:49] dynamike23 : moar dumps
[2015-11-05 04:55:40] ethexio : Rip
[2015-11-05 05:03:33] lockhedge : how could XBX be lower than all reference exchanges? https://twitter.com/RobotFinance/status/662129734768336896
[2015-11-05 05:04:08] dynamike23 : gentlemen
[2015-11-05 05:04:35] dynamike23 : lockhedge: just a question, what language is your mm bot written in?
[2015-11-05 05:06:28] lockhedge : python and php (it's just a fast written prototype, you should use a more low level language if you fight for every millisecond)
[2015-11-05 05:06:43] dynamike23 : cool, thanks for sharing
[2015-11-05 05:08:56] lockhedge : php works great with websockets, it's faster and more stable than python (but i'm not a python expert) you can start with Sam's open source script https://github.com/BitMEX/market-maker
[2015-11-05 05:09:22] dynamike23 : yeah i was looking at that, was planning on doing something for funsies
[2015-11-05 05:10:01] Satoshi : lockhedge: can you share your bot ?
[2015-11-05 05:10:46] dynamike23 : Satoshi: i wouldn't expect that unless you paid for it, even so
[2015-11-05 05:11:21] lockhedge : we will open source most parts of the bot, starting with our BIX index
[2015-11-05 05:11:28] Satoshi : dynamike23: making it open source is good idea for devs to make it better i think
[2015-11-05 05:12:14] dynamike23 : Satoshi: i don't disagree with you, but i can understand that some parts would be proprietary
[2015-11-05 05:12:49] joequant : I've got an open source bot.
[2015-11-05 05:12:50] Satoshi : dynamike23: yes of course. trade secrets :P
[2015-11-05 05:13:02] joequant : download algobroker from pypi
[2015-11-05 05:13:11] joequant : some assembly required
[2015-11-05 05:13:17] dynamike23 : joequant: good experience with it so far?
[2015-11-05 05:13:28] joequant : it's pretty basic
[2015-11-05 05:13:40] lockhedge : Satoshi: one of the main new problems for mm is reverse engineering, we incorporate some randomness as insurance against that + we share our data and (parts of our code) early to test if we are on the right way.
[2015-11-05 05:13:43] joequant : but the important thing that the bot does is to text me when it does something.
[2015-11-05 05:14:26] Satoshi : joequant: ill try that out, thanks
[2015-11-05 05:14:35] Satoshi : lockhedge: yes i understnad
[2015-11-05 05:14:56] lockhedge : Satoshi: nice nick btw :)
[2015-11-05 05:14:59] joequant : the bot itself has one strategy in the package, which is to cancel all orders if the market moves more than x%
[2015-11-05 05:15:34] dynamike23 : joequant: neat, if it isn't too tough to implement some of my ideas then that should be good to start
[2015-11-05 05:16:06] dynamike23 : thanks for sharing
[2015-11-05 05:31:07] Satoshi : found this bot, its paid : https://www.haasonline.com
[2015-11-05 05:32:42] lockhedge : Satoshi: did you see this one? https://github.com/michaelgrosner/tribeca
[2015-11-05 05:35:23] micmix : lockhedge: I couldn't add your index to our system, our servers cannot connect with TLS handshake error
[2015-11-05 05:36:31] mikeh : attempted short at 450, was pipped so i left it... eediot
[2015-11-05 05:37:07] Satoshi : lockhedge: ill check that , thanks
[2015-11-05 05:38:24] lockhedge : micmix: you are currently connecting through our CloudFlare CDN/firewall, check the SSL cert info https://robotfinance.org/api/bix_alpha/
[2015-11-05 05:39:04] lockhedge : micmix: we won't use CloudFlare when in beta
[2015-11-05 05:41:52] micmix : lockhedge: can you enable http access for now? the index is public anyway and I don't care about men in the middle attack for now
[2015-11-05 05:41:56] Satoshi : lockhedge: i will try to implement bitmex api on that one, it looks cool
[2015-11-05 05:42:58] laisee : making money on ETH && losing money on XBT. has the whole world gone mad ...
[2015-11-05 05:43:13] lockhedge : Satoshi: cool, maybe talk to Sam, i think he already has started with BitMEX implementation
[2015-11-05 05:44:04] dynamike23 : lockhedge: thanks for the share, node.js is interesting
[2015-11-05 05:44:04] lockhedge : micmix: sorry, you have to get SSL working on your side then or wait until beta ;)
[2015-11-05 05:44:20] SnackyCoins : node js is best js
[2015-11-05 05:45:55] micmix : lockhedge: I'm not sure why it doesn't work, same servers work with 10+ exchanges over https with zero issues. I guess I'll wait for beta and check again before spending more time on it.
[2015-11-05 05:46:31] mikeh : fuck, liquidated the moment i hit buy because i had isolate on from earlier, where's the protection against that?
[2015-11-05 05:46:58] micmix : BitMEX_Wally, can you answer a question about websocket API?
[2015-11-05 05:47:24] guywithanicebike : mikeh: Order Controls -> Order Options -> Cross Margin
[2015-11-05 05:47:57] mikeh : yeah i know I can set that but I switch it on and off all the time, if i forget that it's on isolate I get screwed, no warning message
[2015-11-05 05:48:09] guywithanicebike : yeah they need to do something about that
[2015-11-05 05:48:19] guywithanicebike : shit's dangerous
[2015-11-05 05:48:42] mikeh : i've learnt like 5 costly things they need to do something about so far in just a couple of days
[2015-11-05 05:49:06] guywithanicebike : please let them know for the sake of all of us :)
[2015-11-05 05:50:31] SnackyCoins : what do you find yourself flipping it on and off for?
[2015-11-05 05:51:10] SnackyCoins : (a confirmation dialogue when using the checkbox might be a good idea)
[2015-11-05 05:51:18] mikeh : i usually have it on cross for the initial buy so i don't get liquidated, then go to isolate and adjust the margin manually from the positions list
[2015-11-05 05:51:42] SnackyCoins : ah
[2015-11-05 05:52:16] mikeh : just gives me more room to breath with isolate because their stop limits keep failing me
[2015-11-05 05:54:04] dynamike23 : holy caress
[2015-11-05 05:56:29] dynamike23 : just another day in bitcoinland
[2015-11-05 05:57:22] laisee : it's buying time again ...t
[2015-11-05 05:57:44] joequant : wow. The funny ting is that even though I know why this is happening, I still get burned.
[2015-11-05 05:57:54] joequant : Catching a falling knife.
[2015-11-05 05:58:52] laisee : ha. falling axe ...
[2015-11-05 06:00:13] laisee : I see value in the market at these prices /s
[2015-11-05 06:00:27] joequant : yeah and I had a damned open position without a stop loss.
[2015-11-05 06:00:33] joequant : :-(
[2015-11-05 06:00:41] laisee : bugger
[2015-11-05 06:00:42] dynamike23 : tough break
[2015-11-05 06:02:20] joequant : oh well. it happens so often that I'm used to it :-)
[2015-11-05 06:05:04] dynamike23 : I'm still too scared so I'm sitting in the sidelines most of the time
[2015-11-05 06:08:24] joequant : It's fine if you are scared while sitting on the sidelines. big problems when you freeze while crossing the road, or while parachuting :-)
[2015-11-05 06:09:55] mikeh : annoying, another insta-liquidation on short this time, not sure why.. fair price was a long way off
[2015-11-05 06:10:08] SnackyCoins : dyna: good. you are better off than #420YOLOALLIN
[2015-11-05 06:10:21] dynamike23 : joequant: sounds like you're a seasoned veteran
[2015-11-05 06:10:30] joequant : actually no.
[2015-11-05 06:10:38] SnackyCoins : 100x was not designed for this kind of volatility
[2015-11-05 06:10:39] joequant : I've only been trading for a year.
[2015-11-05 06:10:40] micmix : anyone else having problems with OKC API? our bots getting 502 errors for the last 10 minutes
[2015-11-05 06:10:50] SnackyCoins : 100x was released 2 months ago when we would move $3 in a whole day
[2015-11-05 06:10:58] dynamike23 : i wanted to yolo...
[2015-11-05 06:11:16] SnackyCoins : micmix: yep
[2015-11-05 06:11:36] micmix : SnackyCoins: DDOS dump again :-(
[2015-11-05 06:11:47] SnackyCoins : #thistimeisdifferent
[2015-11-05 06:12:08] SnackyCoins : LOL LOOK AT IT DUMP
[2015-11-05 06:12:10] SnackyCoins : wow
[2015-11-05 06:12:14] SnackyCoins : ohh god wow
[2015-11-05 06:12:15] SnackyCoins : okcn
[2015-11-05 06:13:15] laisee : bigger than a dump ...
[2015-11-05 06:13:35] dynamike23 : i feel like such a tiny fish
[2015-11-05 06:13:39] dynamike23 : tadpole even
[2015-11-05 06:14:18] laisee : guess 60% of OKC accounts got liquidated in last few mins ...
[2015-11-05 06:14:43] micmix : DDOS dumps are brutal. With MM bots pulling orders there is no liquidity and everyone tries to close
[2015-11-05 06:14:56] SnackyCoins : welcome to bitcoin 8)
[2015-11-05 06:15:50] laisee : extreme capitalist free markets t ;-)
[2015-11-05 06:16:01] SnackyCoins : Xìtǒng shēngjí zhōng, yùjì huīfù shíjiān 00:05 System upgrade, expected recovery time 00:05
[2015-11-05 06:16:06] SnackyCoins : ^ OKC
[2015-11-05 06:16:27] dynamike23 : OF ALL TIMES LOL
[2015-11-05 06:16:46] laisee : nice timing
[2015-11-05 06:16:47] SnackyCoins : http://i.imgur.com/1pBTW3n.gif
[2015-11-05 06:18:42] BitMEX_Wally : <img src="http://i.imgur.com/1pBTW3n.gif">
[2015-11-05 06:18:53] dynamike23 : ^
[2015-11-05 06:19:19] SnackyCoins : Didn't know you could insert images directly :)
[2015-11-05 06:19:20] BitMEX_Wally : I am BitMEX and I approve this message
[2015-11-05 06:19:27] BitMEX_Wally : Only admins can :)
[2015-11-05 06:19:28] laisee : I'm being hyptnoized ...
[2015-11-05 06:19:36] SnackyCoins : ha, probably for the best ;)
[2015-11-05 06:21:06] laisee : keep hearing gentle words about BUY BUY BUY
[2015-11-05 06:21:31] SnackyCoins : yeah, well you'd be in the majority
[2015-11-05 06:21:50] SnackyCoins : unfortunately the majority of traders lose money
[2015-11-05 06:24:47] dynamike23 : after trading bitcoin, the regular markets must be boring af
[2015-11-05 06:25:03] mikeh : omfg, liquidated again because of isolate which i turned off earlier
[2015-11-05 06:25:35] dynamike23 : mikeh: i always play with isolate off
[2015-11-05 06:25:44] dynamike23 : thats so lame it didn't save it for you
[2015-11-05 06:26:15] mikeh : i have it off, then change it in the position list for a specific order but it sets the default for the next order
[2015-11-05 06:26:47] dynamike23 : does this dead cat bounce have legs? probably not right?
[2015-11-05 06:27:53] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: can you answer a question about websocket API or it's Sam's department?
[2015-11-05 06:28:06] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: Sure
[2015-11-05 06:28:10] TschavaTschigger : the best thing is isolation disabled + market order + only troll orders on the market
[2015-11-05 06:28:36] dynamike23 : 1 contract market makers
[2015-11-05 06:29:18] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: what websocker messages will I get on settlement?
[2015-11-05 06:29:20] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: How can I help?
[2015-11-05 06:29:44] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: You will get an `execution` insert with an execType of `Settlement`.
[2015-11-05 06:30:21] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: will I get 'order' for active orders that were canceled?
[2015-11-05 06:30:37] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, any open orders will be canceled, so you will get the usual message for them
[2015-11-05 06:31:07] BitMEX_Wally : There will be an `execution` insert to cancel the order, and the `order` will get an update too
[2015-11-05 06:31:09] wurstgelee : wtf happened in the last 4 hours? :)
[2015-11-05 06:31:53] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: ok, thanks. Is there any description of different execType messages and the data in those messages?
[2015-11-05 06:32:33] mikeh : i was raped despite calling the highs and lows
[2015-11-05 06:33:50] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: An `execType` of `Settlement` is the same as `Trade` really
[2015-11-05 06:34:12] BitMEX_Wally : The order and execution semantics follow the FIX protocol: http://www.fixtradingcommunity.org/FIXimate/FIXimate3.0/
[2015-11-05 06:34:53] dynamike23 : BitMEX_Wally: thanks for that link
[2015-11-05 06:35:10] ohmannomma : do you have a button for dodgy closures?
[2015-11-05 06:35:49] BitMEX_Wally : ohmannomma: You can submit a Close Limit order
[2015-11-05 06:36:04] BitMEX_Wally : We are going to support Close Market soon
[2015-11-05 06:36:10] ohmannomma : no, i mean if you have such a button
[2015-11-05 06:36:27] BitMEX_Wally : Not yet
[2015-11-05 06:36:54] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: excellent, thank you, that makes it easy. Any plans for FIX support? I think I asked several month ago and was told by the end of the year.
[2015-11-05 06:37:08] ohmannomma : i see.. but the numbers near the positions are not clear on purpose, right?
[2015-11-05 06:37:37] BitMEX_Wally : ohmannomma: Sorry, what do you mean by 'dodgy' or 'not clear'?
[2015-11-05 06:38:15] ohmannomma : i opened one at 413something and it disappeared with default margin
[2015-11-05 06:38:38] ohmannomma : i see.. the trick can b in the double index, right?
[2015-11-05 06:38:56] ohmannomma : it disappeared with 0.20 btcs
[2015-11-05 06:39:22] BitMEX_Wally : ohmannomma: The market is moving very quickly, so you can get liquidated easily
[2015-11-05 06:39:46] BitMEX_Wally : The fair price of XBT24H is following the last traded price of XBT24H quite closely
[2015-11-05 06:40:20] ohmannomma : so there is no point to use the default margin sometimes
[2015-11-05 06:41:25] BitMEX_Wally : ohmannomma: Well, if you want to minimise yours losses to only 1% of the position
[2015-11-05 06:41:53] BitMEX_Wally : It looks like your liquidation price was 410.66 and the market was trading below that
[2015-11-05 06:41:57] ohmannomma : it all calibrated, understandable
[2015-11-05 06:42:18] ohmannomma : it is*
[2015-11-05 06:42:22] mikeh : you have to turn off isolate under order options or you can be insta liquidated - there are a lot of gotchas on this site atm
[2015-11-05 06:42:54] laisee : Wally> can add popup allowing change of leverage or allocating more margin when opening 24H position?
[2015-11-05 06:43:41] BitMEX_Wally : In the Order Controls box there is an Order Options dropdown
[2015-11-05 06:43:46] BitMEX_Wally : You can switch from Isolate to Cross margin before opening the position
[2015-11-05 06:44:18] BitMEX_Wally : We are working on letting you choose your leverage in the order entry box
[2015-11-05 06:44:25] ohmannomma : ok, the thing is that liquidation at the index price is not possible at any given moment.. sometimes the margin price would cover the index, but there are no orders to fill
[2015-11-05 06:44:35] laisee : hmm. easy to forgett. be nice o configure leverage & margin when its needed
[2015-11-05 06:45:24] laisee : as you mentioned re leverage
[2015-11-05 06:45:34] mikeh : toggling isolate on a specific order through the position list shouldn't set the default for the following order btw
[2015-11-05 06:46:08] BitMEX_Wally : Margin is not allocated to 'orders' per se, it is to do with a position
[2015-11-05 06:47:09] ohmannomma : so.. now.. the maximum risk on a position was say 0.03 .. i was below 0.19 and it didnt close it but at -0.2..
[2015-11-05 06:47:26] ohmannomma : so i lost 0.20 when my max exposition was 0.03
[2015-11-05 06:47:49] ohmannomma : possible?
[2015-11-05 06:48:51] BitMEX_Wally : Not sure I follow, are you talking about absolute margin amounts?
[2015-11-05 06:50:44] ohmannomma : the liquidation price seems not to be the exact amount the position gets liquidated..
[2015-11-05 06:51:01] BitMEX_Wally : The liquidation price determines when the liquidation happens
[2015-11-05 06:51:07] BitMEX_Wally : Your position is taken over by the system
[2015-11-05 06:51:22] ohmannomma : but not the price of the liquidation, right?
[2015-11-05 06:51:25] BitMEX_Wally : Correct
[2015-11-05 06:51:33] ohmannomma : exactly
[2015-11-05 06:52:06] BitMEX_Wally : The exchange takes the risk and tries to use the remaining margin you had left on the position to liquidate in the market
[2015-11-05 06:54:28] ohmannomma : it's a wicked exchange anyway.. do you have stats of number of users?
[2015-11-05 06:57:42] BitMEX_Wally : Thousands :)
[2015-11-05 06:59:28] TschavaTschigger : setting the leverage urself would really be amazing. right now its just all nothing. you guys have any eta for the feature?
[2015-11-05 06:59:39] TschavaTschigger : all or* nothing
[2015-11-05 06:59:51] SnackyCoins : you can
[2015-11-05 07:00:05] SnackyCoins : click the blue +B icon next to the margin of an open isolated position
[2015-11-05 07:00:26] SnackyCoins : you can add/remove any amount of margin there
[2015-11-05 07:00:27] TschavaTschigger : yeah, you can manually
[2015-11-05 07:00:29] ohmannomma : since the position is taken over by the system the price of the settlement could be .. fairer ;)
[2015-11-05 07:00:31] TschavaTschigger : but not through the api
[2015-11-05 07:00:53] SnackyCoins : the api had it first iirc
[2015-11-05 07:01:08] Scottv53 : BitMEX_Wally: how do you think the price action is going to pan out for the remainder of day?
[2015-11-05 07:01:16] ohmannomma : i mean. ppl dont mind to pay premiums or commisions, but they must keep the control of the commands
[2015-11-05 07:01:42] BitMEX_Wally : TschavaTschigger: Everything on the frontend can be done through the API, we use the API internally https://www.bitmex.com/api/explorer/#!/Position/Position_transferIsolatedMargin
[2015-11-05 07:02:10] ohmannomma : i mean the allocation of the risk.. i see it being possible..
[2015-11-05 07:02:43] BitMEX_Wally : ohmannomma: We are working on ways we can get rid of fair price marking and instead use the last traded price of the future, but with protection against maniulation
[2015-11-05 07:03:06] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Wally: ok you are right. my bad.. i meant something differently.. i meant setting the leverage to a pre-defined % value, so you dont have to shift margin around all the time
[2015-11-05 07:03:19] TschavaTschigger : cause right now, you just have isolated or cross-margin, but nothing in betwen
[2015-11-05 07:03:36] BitMEX_Wally : TschavaTschigger: Sounds like a trailing stop
[2015-11-05 07:04:06] TschavaTschigger : just that you can't even make the order sometimes when isolated is enabled? because of insta-liquidation?
[2015-11-05 07:04:31] ohmannomma : well.. the protection could be the absorbtion of the value itself..
[2015-11-05 07:04:45] TschavaTschigger : ok, i get your point, cross-margin and trailing stop.. thats what you mean @BitMEX_Wally
[2015-11-05 07:05:06] BitMEX_Wally : We're working to improve things, we listen to you guys :)
[2015-11-05 07:05:21] TschavaTschigger : we know.. thats why we love this site so much <3
[2015-11-05 07:05:31] ohmannomma : sure ;)
[2015-11-05 07:05:42] TschavaTschigger : btw, heart-smilie gets disabled in trollbox = big flaw xD
[2015-11-05 07:05:58] ohmannomma : is it possible to apply a stop at market price as today say - on a position already open?
[2015-11-05 07:06:44] BitMEX_Wally : ohmannomma: If you are currently long, then submit a StopLimit order to sell.
[2015-11-05 07:07:00] BitMEX_Wally : Set the limit price to be your liquidation price, and the stop price as your trigger
[2015-11-05 07:07:13] BitMEX_Wally : Trigger price should be above your limit price
[2015-11-05 07:07:21] ohmannomma : the value is still that fair average
[2015-11-05 07:07:48] BitMEX_Wally : Yes the trigger price looks at the fair price, but the fair price is being adjusted to closely track the future at the moment
[2015-11-05 07:27:38] dorothy490 : my entry price 411 buy current mark price 398. i Unrealized PNL shows profit 2% Why?
[2015-11-05 07:28:43] BitMEX_Wally : dorothy490: Are you long or short?
[2015-11-05 07:32:16] dorothy490 : long
[2015-11-05 07:32:21] BitMEX_Wally : Let me check
[2015-11-05 07:32:45] dorothy490 : at the moment its "okish"
[2015-11-05 07:33:40] dorothy490 : but at that moment it was like that
[2015-11-05 07:33:58] dorothy490 : 2% profit whereas mark price is lower than entry price
[2015-11-05 07:34:11] dorothy490 : should I make scrrenshot next time?
[2015-11-05 07:34:15] BitMEX_Wally : Yes please
[2015-11-05 07:34:20] BitMEX_Wally : It might have been a WebSocket glitch
[2015-11-05 07:38:01] mikeh : is your API similar to Gox's in the way you authenticate etc?
[2015-11-05 07:38:25] BitMEX_Wally : I never used the Gox API
[2015-11-05 07:48:27] ethexio : Fun day
[2015-11-05 07:53:03] mikeh : started fun, but am back to where i began
[2015-11-05 08:03:39] chromaticcr : Fair basis% should somehow be renamed to irrational basis
[2015-11-05 08:10:24] BitMEX_Wally : chromaticcr: The fair basis price is currently tracking the future price
[2015-11-05 08:10:33] BitMEX_Wally : So basically the future price is irrational
[2015-11-05 08:10:41] laisee : yup
[2015-11-05 08:10:45] BitMEX_Wally : But it has a < $1 spread, so.... trade it
[2015-11-05 08:10:52] chromaticcr : human are indeed irrational creatures
[2015-11-05 08:13:48] laisee : markets can stay irrational longer than traders can stay liquid ...
[2015-11-05 08:19:50] PatioCrasher : is bitcoinwisdom down?
[2015-11-05 08:22:02] PatioCrasher : nm
[2015-11-05 08:46:59] dorothy490 : hey Wally
[2015-11-05 08:47:08] dorothy490 : I have balance 1.77 and avaliable funds 0.44
[2015-11-05 08:47:15] dorothy490 : soem unds locked till settlement, right?
[2015-11-05 08:47:19] dorothy490 : funds*
[2015-11-05 08:50:22] jung1 : : O
[2015-11-05 08:50:27] jung1 : wtf was that
[2015-11-05 08:50:47] jung1 : 60usd drop on finex
[2015-11-05 08:50:50] wurstgelee : so much red
[2015-11-05 08:51:33] wurstgelee : 60usd drop?
[2015-11-05 08:51:36] wurstgelee : when?
[2015-11-05 08:52:50] jung1 : https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitfinex/btcusd
[2015-11-05 08:53:24] dorothy490 : BitMEX_Wally: need you advise
[2015-11-05 08:53:42] wurstgelee : jung1: ah yes, i thought suddenly :)
[2015-11-05 08:54:15] BitMEX_Wally : dorothy490: How can I help?
[2015-11-05 08:55:09] dorothy490 : Ihave balance 1.77 and avalaible 0.4 some funds locket till settlement. question: I have open position - - does margin using all 1.77 balance?
[2015-11-05 08:55:45] ayy lmao : cross does, isolat doesnt
[2015-11-05 08:55:52] dorothy490 : cross
[2015-11-05 08:56:19] BitMEX_Wally : dorothy490: Cross margin will use all of your available margin
[2015-11-05 08:56:25] ayy lmao : on cross, once you exceed your intitial margin in losses, it starts auto adding margin to maintain
[2015-11-05 08:56:28] BitMEX_Wally : It will move it into the position as needed
[2015-11-05 09:12:31] dorothy490 : why sometimes order books blinks and dissapeards and then reappears again
[2015-11-05 09:12:58] dorothy490 : I suppose its bots action, but durign this short dissapearence period, - ordebook missing?
[2015-11-05 09:13:07] dorothy490 : for these bot orders, or they jsut refreshing slowly
[2015-11-05 09:13:23] BitMEX_Wally : When market makers update their prices they pull their orders and submit new ones
[2015-11-05 09:13:53] dorothy490 : is it going on priority usually? or there could be delay?
[2015-11-05 09:14:22] dorothy490 : like move from 382 to 381, it happens in log like 11:14:01 382 order cancelled 11:14:01 381 order created
[2015-11-05 09:14:38] dorothy490 : or could be that 11:14:05 381 order created
[2015-11-05 09:15:58] BitMEX_Wally : The market making bots decide how quickly to resubmit
[2015-11-05 09:16:26] BitMEX_Wally : They might wait for the cancel confirmation from all orders before submitting new ones, so the round trip latency of their internet connection matters
[2015-11-05 09:17:20] dorothy490 : thanks, thats clear
[2015-11-05 09:20:48] dorothy490 : btw I liek that marketmaker
[2015-11-05 09:21:00] dorothy490 : added a great portion of liquidity
[2015-11-05 09:31:26] habibi : what is indicative settle price ;p?
[2015-11-05 09:33:02] jung1 : you think we changed trend?
[2015-11-05 09:54:09] BitMEX_Wally : habibi: The indicative settlement price is basically the underlying index
[2015-11-05 09:55:36] habibi : BitMEX_Wally: yea, i just woke up and didnt even read the explanation. Just didnt see it before on main page
[2015-11-05 10:04:46] justinlooking : BVOL 22 !!
[2015-11-05 10:15:38] dmasters1 : I dont seem to be able to add margin despite my wallet having a balance of 44 coin with maint margin of 2.6
[2015-11-05 10:18:59] BitMEX_Wally : dmasters1: Let me check
[2015-11-05 10:20:12] BitMEX_Wally : dmasters1: You only have 0.035591 in 'Available Margin'
[2015-11-05 10:20:25] BitMEX_Wally : You can see a complete breakdown of your margin here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2015-11-05 10:21:28] BitMEX_Wally : You have a lot of profit that is withheld until Friday
[2015-11-05 10:36:42] billyboy402 : where about is the Caluraltor button has it been removed
[2015-11-05 10:37:02] BitMEX_Wally : Under the `Order Options` drop down
[2015-11-05 10:37:30] billyboy402 : cool ,. may be better to have it on the side
[2015-11-05 10:39:55] dmasters1 : ok thanks. Is the witheld profit not available for margin?
[2015-11-05 10:40:13] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, because it may be subject to adjustment
[2015-11-05 10:40:24] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/dynamicProfitEqualisation
[2015-11-05 10:40:42] dmasters1 : ah of course. You guys have it all figured out!