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[2015-11-05 10:42:46] BitMEX_Wally : Let us know if you have any questions, we're happy to help
[2015-11-05 10:45:04] Scottv53 : BitMEX_Wally: for your info bitfinex just integrated this to login https://getclef.com/bitfinex/
[2015-11-05 10:46:41] BitMEX_Wally : Cool, we'll look into it for BitMEX
[2015-11-05 10:58:47] dorothy490 : when is settlement?
[2015-11-05 10:58:51] dorothy490 : in 2 mins?
[2015-11-05 10:59:00] gielbier : dorothy490: in an hour
[2015-11-05 10:59:37] BitMEX_Arthur : In the top right-hand corner there is a expiry count down clock
[2015-11-05 10:59:39] dorothy490 : i na hour = within a hour
[2015-11-05 10:59:49] dorothy490 : ah I see
[2015-11-05 11:00:33] gielbier : i really missed al the action last night S:
[2015-11-05 11:05:43] wurstgelee : also the action missed you. ;)
[2015-11-05 11:05:52] wurstgelee : so not necessarily a bad thing =)
[2015-11-05 11:06:38] gielbier : hehe wurstgelee , did you get any of the action?
[2015-11-05 11:10:18] redlose : Which number will be used for the unrealised PNL? (Is it the Indicative Settle Price or the Last Price?)
[2015-11-05 11:10:56] BitMEX_Wally : redlose: The markPrice is used for unrealisedPNL
[2015-11-05 11:11:15] redlose : alright thx
[2015-11-05 11:11:17] BitMEX_Wally : Which is the fairPrice for DPE contracts, and lastPrice for non-DPE (i.e. XBU)
[2015-11-05 11:11:34] BitMEX_Wally : fairPrice is calculated from the Indicative Settle Price
[2015-11-05 11:11:40] BitMEX_Wally : We are working on simplifying this for users
[2015-11-05 11:15:05] ohmannomma : can you check my last liquidation please?
[2015-11-05 11:15:13] BitMEX_Wally : Sure
[2015-11-05 11:18:29] BitMEX_Wally : ohmannomma: You were long 2020 contracts of XBT24H with a liquidation price of 402.11
[2015-11-05 11:19:17] ohmannomma : at 10:50
[2015-11-05 11:19:22] BitMEX_Wally : You were liquidated at 10:50 UTC
[2015-11-05 11:19:55] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.XBT
[2015-11-05 11:20:03] BitMEX_Wally : You can see that the market was much lower than 402.11 at that time
[2015-11-05 11:20:16] ohmannomma : exactly
[2015-11-05 11:20:29] BitMEX_Wally : You're saying we should have liquidated you sooner?
[2015-11-05 11:23:11] ohmannomma : i dont know.. ive got a strange feeling about this closures
[2015-11-05 11:24:16] ohmannomma : and the orderbook squeezing the averages..
[2015-11-05 11:25:30] BitMEX_Wally : I can't see anything suspicious
[2015-11-05 11:25:41] BitMEX_Wally : Both the future and spot dropped
[2015-11-05 11:26:06] BitMEX_Wally : 5 dollars in 5 minutes
[2015-11-05 11:47:22] chromaticcr : closed ahead. Happy arbbing
[2015-11-05 11:51:56] peder0 : /j mtmox
[2015-11-05 11:53:53] habibi : i feel there will be some manipulation before settlement to put settle price up
[2015-11-05 11:54:23] BitMEX_Wally : habibi: We take a 30 minute time weighted average
[2015-11-05 11:54:36] BitMEX_Wally : So they better have been manipulating it for the last 25 minutes
[2015-11-05 11:55:01] habibi : thats quite good, but still whats wrong with this 40k order above price ;p
[2015-11-05 11:55:16] habibi : or maybe its short closing
[2015-11-05 11:55:28] Yumi : it settles based on index, you would have to manipulate all major exchanges
[2015-11-05 11:56:03] mikeh : 24k and 41k, whyyy
[2015-11-05 11:56:17] redlose : wouldnt it be free money if you sell in this 41k wall?
[2015-11-05 11:56:27] habibi : yea thats my point redlose
[2015-11-05 11:56:33] Yumi : you have to pay fees for selling and then on settlement
[2015-11-05 11:56:46] redlose : alright
[2015-11-05 11:56:47] chromaticcr : lets see if there is still 6k% basis 4 minutes later
[2015-11-05 11:56:56] BitMEX_Wally : Hah it's gone
[2015-11-05 11:57:04] habibi : too much attention
[2015-11-05 11:57:11] redlose : haha he read this
[2015-11-05 11:57:28] habibi : lel 24k buy at 389
[2015-11-05 11:57:38] redlose : stupid guys
[2015-11-05 11:57:48] TschavaTschigger : lol
[2015-11-05 11:57:48] chromaticcr : ....
[2015-11-05 11:57:57] chromaticcr : is it the bot glitched
[2015-11-05 11:58:04] habibi : another
[2015-11-05 11:58:07] chromaticcr : omf
[2015-11-05 11:58:09] habibi : strange things happening
[2015-11-05 11:58:10] habibi : :D
[2015-11-05 11:58:44] chromaticcr : 100k orders for expiry
[2015-11-05 11:58:54] chromaticcr : wtf.....
[2015-11-05 11:59:06] habibi : BitMEX_Wally: whats going on ?
[2015-11-05 11:59:14] BitMEX_Wally : People are trading
[2015-11-05 11:59:25] habibi : u see the point in that trading?
[2015-11-05 11:59:32] BitMEX_Wally : Saving the takerFee at settlement?
[2015-11-05 11:59:39] TschavaTschigger : +1
[2015-11-05 11:59:41] habibi : ah right
[2015-11-05 11:59:45] chromaticcr : perhaps it's liquidity provider trolling you guys
[2015-11-05 12:00:00] chromaticcr : they have discounts on fee so they can do whatever they want
[2015-11-05 12:00:15] TschavaTschigger : good game guys, well played
[2015-11-05 12:00:54] billyboy402 : werer making 50c in a 1 if it sette lower
[2015-11-05 12:01:48] billyboy402 : settle 387.44 , that guy that sold into that 41000 order at 389 would be happy
[2015-11-05 12:02:37] BitMEX_Wally : Yeah, I don't understand why anyone would buy it though
[2015-11-05 12:03:06] billyboy402 : hoping for it to spike i guess ,. i tool some :)
[2015-11-05 12:03:27] billyboy402 : I short when it was $30 over index 4 hours ago ,. cash and carry baby
[2015-11-05 12:04:07] billyboy402 : what time are the withdraws process
[2015-11-05 12:04:14] BitMEX_Wally : 13:00 UTC
[2015-11-05 12:04:17] BitMEX_Wally : In one hour
[2015-11-05 12:04:26] billyboy402 : are theu still only done once a day
[2015-11-05 12:07:19] BitMEX_Wally : Yes
[2015-11-05 12:29:06] podizzle3k : if you get liquidated on the 7d do they wait until Friday to take all your money
[2015-11-05 12:30:17] podizzle3k : Will all my withheld profit disappear at that point
[2015-11-05 12:34:45] BitMEX_Wally : podizzle3k: If you have realised profit on XBT7D then it can be used to fund unrealised losses on XBT7D
[2015-11-05 12:35:12] BitMEX_Wally : Actually, I'm not sure about that
[2015-11-05 12:35:28] podizzle3k : hahah always good when support is just as confused
[2015-11-05 12:35:48] podizzle3k : i guess we'll find out on friday
[2015-11-05 12:36:07] BitMEX_Wally : If you have isolated margin disabled then it will use up all your available margin before being liquidated
[2015-11-05 12:36:34] podizzle3k : ok
[2015-11-05 12:37:02] BitMEX_Wally : Any withheld profit still there at settlement on Friday will be released to you
[2015-11-05 12:37:50] BitMEX_Wally : The profit is withheld in case of DPE, not to cover your own liquidations
[2015-11-05 12:38:20] podizzle3k : righ
[2015-11-05 12:38:31] podizzle3k : seems kinda empty here today
[2015-11-05 12:38:45] podizzle3k : lots of people nursing wounds from the dump
[2015-11-05 12:39:00] podizzle3k : wheres itchy and potatto
[2015-11-05 13:02:59] ayy lmao : dammit did i miss the withdrawwal cuttoff?
[2015-11-05 13:06:42] BitMEX_Wally : ayy lmao: Unfortunately yes, they have just been signed
[2015-11-05 13:08:19] ayy lmao : np, gotta make sure I withdraw before falling asleep lol, 2mrw when I withdraw, hoq long before they process in the batch?
[2015-11-05 13:09:31] BitMEX_Wally : ayy lmao: Next batch is in 24 hours
[2015-11-05 13:09:42] BitMEX_Wally : But we may process some sooner
[2015-11-05 13:14:35] ayy lmao : Bitmex_Wally, so that means that todays withdrawals wont process until 24 hour from now?
[2015-11-05 13:14:53] BitMEX_Wally : Correct
[2015-11-05 13:15:02] ayy lmao : ok thx
[2015-11-05 13:15:07] BitMEX_Wally : Any withdrawals submitted after 13:00 UTC will be processed at 13:00 UTC tomorrow
[2015-11-05 13:19:01] zanza : something curious? I just realized if a XBT contract is let settlement (not closed out before expiry), under your closed positions it will show the underlying, however does not show Realized PNL
[2015-11-05 13:19:49] zanza : i will email screenshot
[2015-11-05 13:19:59] BitMEX_Wally : zanza: Yes please, thank you
[2015-11-05 13:28:19] BitMEX_Wally : zanza: When the contract expires and re-lists the realisedPnl is moved to your wallet as a CashSettlement transaction.
[2015-11-05 13:28:31] BitMEX_Wally : You can see the history here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2015-11-05 13:29:05] BitMEX_Wally : Basically because realisedPnl can be subject to DPE we make sure everyone's realisedPnl is 0 before re-listing the contract
[2015-11-05 13:29:16] zanza : oh, I got it
[2015-11-05 13:29:18] zanza : thanks :)
[2015-11-05 13:30:18] zanza : auction happening soon
[2015-11-05 13:36:39] dorothy490 : zanza: when exactly>
[2015-11-05 13:37:48] j8 : was supposed to start at 8 am EST i think, that's a half hour ago
[2015-11-05 13:43:05] podizzle3k : i bid $10 for them all
[2015-11-05 13:48:28] wurstgelee : tfw you long XBT24H while youre @ work, forget about it, suddenly remember it and then discover youre not liquidated oO
[2015-11-05 13:57:39] jung1 : how to autofill Limit Price ?
[2015-11-05 13:57:51] jung1 : sometimes it go automaticly
[2015-11-05 13:58:06] j8 : click the book
[2015-11-05 13:58:20] jung1 : yeah but price only
[2015-11-05 13:58:45] j8 : fills in cumulative volume for me
[2015-11-05 13:58:55] j8 : you can also click your position
[2015-11-05 13:59:42] jung1 : if we break it now we go up
[2015-11-05 13:59:57] habibi : break 2720? or what lvl jung1
[2015-11-05 14:00:52] jung1 : yes
[2015-11-05 14:14:47] ayy lmao : tfw not liquidated
[2015-11-05 14:30:55] jung1 : whats wrong with orderbook?
[2015-11-05 14:32:06] dorothy490 : someone want to mess order book with 1 orders
[2015-11-05 14:32:16] dorothy490 : or just having balance like 0.0005
[2015-11-05 14:34:04] zanza : wurstgelee: dont work and trade :)
[2015-11-05 14:34:15] wurstgelee : hehe
[2015-11-05 14:34:23] wurstgelee : b-b-b-but ...:|
[2015-11-05 14:34:44] PatioCrasher : its called padding I think.. so you cant see the rest of the order book
[2015-11-05 14:35:24] dorothy490 : going to save you guys
[2015-11-05 14:35:27] dorothy490 : will get rid of that 1
[2015-11-05 14:35:44] dorothy490 : got it!
[2015-11-05 14:36:32] peasant-wizard : lol
[2015-11-05 14:36:39] peasant-wizard : Thanks, it is annoying
[2015-11-05 14:36:48] dorothy490 : got it too
[2015-11-05 14:37:09] dorothy490 : bot reacts by adjusting price lower
[2015-11-05 15:52:29] SnackyCoins : dorothy you can click the arrows in the top corner of the orderbook box to see the entire book
[2015-11-05 15:57:02] zanza : auction happening now ?
[2015-11-05 15:57:52] roymalmberg : volume increasing
[2015-11-05 16:01:14] joequant : orders are appearing for xbtz15
[2015-11-05 16:08:13] zanza : 0 premium on 7 day
[2015-11-05 16:30:20] dorothy490 : Such bids
[2015-11-05 16:31:29] zanza : yawn
[2015-11-05 16:33:26] dynamike23 : not much movement today, kinda boring
[2015-11-05 16:34:09] zanza : and people are exhausted from the past week
[2015-11-05 16:34:40] dynamike23 : agreed, it's been an eventful week
[2015-11-05 16:44:05] j8 : funny how a $20 range over 3 hours seems boring now
[2015-11-05 17:04:16] wurstgelee : especially when youre on 100x crack.
[2015-11-05 17:04:26] wurstgelee : but yes...boring ;)
[2015-11-05 17:05:11] wurstgelee : good da for finally getting some slewp
[2015-11-05 17:05:15] wurstgelee : sleep
[2015-11-05 17:05:47] wurstgelee : at least thats the plan for now, 6 pm here.
[2015-11-05 17:07:06] j8 : sleep when china sleeps
[2015-11-05 17:43:00] SnackyCoins : bitfx.info good for knowing who's awake (if you are too lazy to figure it out otherwise lol)
[2015-11-05 17:58:19] nickhnt : SnackyCoins: nice to know thx man
[2015-11-05 18:04:37] null : have the fees been simplified to maker/taker? I know you guys used to have an option to pay super cheap time based fees too
[2015-11-05 18:10:24] BitMEX_Sam : null: Yes, much simplified: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fees
[2015-11-05 18:10:38] null : cool, simple is better
[2015-11-05 18:11:47] coinigywilliam : hola samuel :D
[2015-11-05 18:12:01] coinigywilliam : liking the new UI
[2015-11-05 18:12:06] coinigywilliam : been awhile since i've been over here!
[2015-11-05 18:31:08] ohmannomma : it goes up, the market doesnt move here
[2015-11-05 18:31:26] ohmannomma : hello users!
[2015-11-05 18:32:12] ohmannomma : hello... anybody in here?
[2015-11-05 18:33:52] BitMEX_Sam : Hey ohmannomma
[2015-11-05 18:34:03] BitMEX_Sam : coinigywilliam: Glad to see you're liking it - more updates to come
[2015-11-05 18:34:31] ohmannomma : why no action now??
[2015-11-05 18:35:26] ohmannomma : this is starting to get outrageous
[2015-11-05 18:35:38] ohmannomma : can you check my liquidation of 1 minute ago?
[2015-11-05 18:36:21] ohmannomma : i dont mean check by its figures. check what happened in the site in the meantime
[2015-11-05 18:40:25] lockhedge : ohmannomma: "it goes up, the market doesnt move here" what is "it"? XBX? BIX? price on an exchange you are using?
[2015-11-05 18:51:27] ohmannomma : i do not want to spend 1 satoshi more than the margin i decide to put
[2015-11-05 18:51:32] TschavaTschigger : market today is less exciting than dinner with my grandparents
[2015-11-05 18:51:44] ohmannomma : ok, Sam?
[2015-11-05 18:52:28] ohmannomma : since you emit this contracts, when you take them back you got no expense
[2015-11-05 18:52:29] ohmannomma : s
[2015-11-05 18:52:43] ohmannomma : please check my log of yesterday and mail me the rembourse
[2015-11-05 18:54:34] ohmannomma : should i write you an email and perhaps an article about it?
[2015-11-05 18:54:49] sleger : you should definitely email for stg like that
[2015-11-05 18:55:16] ohmannomma : im not amused tho
[2015-11-05 18:55:36] sleger : maybe you dont understand how margin works ?
[2015-11-05 18:55:49] sleger : i'm sure they will help you understand
[2015-11-05 18:58:11] BitMEX_Sam : ohmannomma: Sorry, please ping me if you have an issue and I'm not responding, working on a few things at once
[2015-11-05 18:58:28] BitMEX_Sam : I guarantee you the liquidations you experienced were legitimate, they always are, the only issue is that we could do a better job of reporting history
[2015-11-05 18:59:04] BitMEX_Sam : I will check that liquidation, but in general please email account concerns to support@bitmex.com, you will get a better response and we can track the concerns one by one
[2015-11-05 19:00:23] BitMEX_Sam : You can view the actual liquidation details at https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2015-11-05 19:00:31] BitMEX_Sam : If there is more information you would like, please start a ticket by emailing us
[2015-11-05 19:00:43] ohmannomma : if i dont understand? sure
[2015-11-05 19:00:58] ohmannomma : what about the cost of liquidation for example
[2015-11-05 19:01:15] BitMEX_Sam : See https://www.bitmex.com/app/dynamicProfitEqualisation#liquidations
[2015-11-05 19:01:16] ohmannomma : if you take those contracts back. .you got no cost
[2015-11-05 19:01:25] BitMEX_Sam : And https://www.bitmex.com/app/marginCall
[2015-11-05 19:01:37] TschavaTschigger : ohmannomma: I just can say that every time I had the feeling that a liquidiation was not legitimate and I double checked again, the error was on my side.. the system works really well imho
[2015-11-05 19:01:38] sleger : they dont take anything back, they get executed in the market ....
[2015-11-05 19:01:40] ohmannomma : why someone should go through the possibility of being liquidated in excess of his margin
[2015-11-05 19:01:42] BitMEX_Sam : Every margined exchange in the world issues margin calls / liquidations
[2015-11-05 19:02:01] ohmannomma : you get my point?
[2015-11-05 19:02:06] BitMEX_Sam : And if you are liquidated but still have excess margin in your account, it is because you isolated margin
[2015-11-05 19:02:14] BitMEX_Sam : I'm not sure if I do, perhaps you can restate
[2015-11-05 19:02:15] ohmannomma : i might need to write an article about it
[2015-11-05 19:02:33] sleger : not an article, just an email
[2015-11-05 19:02:38] BitMEX_Sam : Please make sure you understand the system before you take to the public about it, or email us first
[2015-11-05 19:02:39] ohmannomma : it depends
[2015-11-05 19:02:46] sleger : or, alternatively, you could educate yourself
[2015-11-05 19:02:58] BitMEX_Sam : We are very transparent about how the system works, there are many references available to you
[2015-11-05 19:03:00] ohmannomma : about what, sorry?
[2015-11-05 19:03:17] dynamike23 : ohmannomma: don't risk embarrassing yourself
[2015-11-05 19:03:28] ohmannomma : e e hm
[2015-11-05 19:03:31] sleger : yeah clearly he is mega confused...
[2015-11-05 19:03:32] ohmannomma : so...
[2015-11-05 19:03:34] BitMEX_Sam : Could you just please restate what your exact concern is? Perhaps there is a language barrier but I am not quite understanding you
[2015-11-05 19:03:42] ohmannomma : wait a second..
[2015-11-05 19:03:55] ohmannomma : wheni get liquidated i receive an email , do you , guys?
[2015-11-05 19:04:10] ohmannomma : education time
[2015-11-05 19:04:13] ohmannomma : now
[2015-11-05 19:04:13] sleger : no: when you got liquidated I did not get any email
[2015-11-05 19:04:19] ohmannomma : e hem
[2015-11-05 19:04:30] ohmannomma : so, inform yourself sleger
[2015-11-05 19:04:51] ohmannomma : you get an email..saying that the position is taken over by the systemn
[2015-11-05 19:04:55] ohmannomma : what does that mean
[2015-11-05 19:04:56] ohmannomma : ?
[2015-11-05 19:05:13] ohmannomma : sold to somebody with struggles.. or just... absorbed at no cost
[2015-11-05 19:05:14] ohmannomma : ?
[2015-11-05 19:05:20] ohmannomma : so... why should i risk more
[2015-11-05 19:05:20] sleger : that you lost your margin
[2015-11-05 19:05:26] ohmannomma : e ehm
[2015-11-05 19:05:30] ohmannomma : sledger
[2015-11-05 19:05:32] sleger : the order is sent to the market and either executed or used as part of DPE
[2015-11-05 19:05:34] ohmannomma : read my question
[2015-11-05 19:05:36] BitMEX_Sam : When a position is liquidated, the system takes it over and places it on the market
[2015-11-05 19:05:47] ohmannomma : there is no need.. i bet that it just vanishes
[2015-11-05 19:05:49] BitMEX_Sam : ohmannomma: It is already a losing position, the system then takes on the risk so that your account does not risk losing funds it does not have
[2015-11-05 19:05:56] BitMEX_Sam : It does not just vanish
[2015-11-05 19:05:58] null : ohmannoma: have you used isolated margin?
[2015-11-05 19:06:05] BitMEX_Sam : That's not possible considering there is a counterparty to every trade
[2015-11-05 19:06:21] BitMEX_Sam : null: btw use tab to autocomplete a name while typing :)
[2015-11-05 19:06:28] ohmannomma : where is the public ledger
[2015-11-05 19:06:36] ohmannomma : say.. the 'chain'
[2015-11-05 19:06:57] ohmannomma : ok.. just let me pay what i decide and not 1 cent more.. the game is nice itself
[2015-11-05 19:06:59] BitMEX_Sam : ohmannomma: At this time we don't publish liquidations separately, we will in the future. There is a public trade feed that you will see every single trade in, including liquidations
[2015-11-05 19:07:01] ohmannomma : if im wrong i pay
[2015-11-05 19:07:06] BitMEX_Sam : ohmannomma: That's what isolated margin is for
[2015-11-05 19:07:24] null : BitMEX_Sam: It would be nice to have an API to see liquidations
[2015-11-05 19:07:28] ohmannomma : yes, but sometimes my isolated margin was 0.03
[2015-11-05 19:07:30] BitMEX_Sam : null: Yeah I agree with that
[2015-11-05 19:07:34] ohmannomma : but i paid 0.20
[2015-11-05 19:08:00] ohmannomma : because it want me to think that htere was no position in the market to be matched
[2015-11-05 19:08:03] ohmannomma : right?
[2015-11-05 19:08:24] ohmannomma : anyway.. i will check again.. if i notice. .i will write you an email, and then an article
[2015-11-05 19:08:53] BitMEX_Sam : ohmannomma: I still am not understanding you clearly
[2015-11-05 19:08:56] ohmannomma : but so far.. would it be possible for you to go through my logs, check ho much was the margin and how much i spent?
[2015-11-05 19:09:13] ohmannomma : so, the marguin
[2015-11-05 19:09:19] ohmannomma : was say 0.03
[2015-11-05 19:09:26] BitMEX_Sam : The margin you used to open a position?
[2015-11-05 19:09:48] ohmannomma : to open, the one i can allocate with the V
[2015-11-05 19:09:51] ohmannomma : B, sorry
[2015-11-05 19:10:04] ohmannomma : on the right of this box
[2015-11-05 19:10:10] BitMEX_Sam : Ah
[2015-11-05 19:10:10] BitMEX_Sam : Yes
[2015-11-05 19:10:33] BitMEX_Sam : That is the margin assigned to an isolated position.
[2015-11-05 19:11:59] ohmannomma : sure
[2015-11-05 19:12:11] BitMEX_Sam : If you're asking why you were liquidated, if I have your permission, I can discuss it here
[2015-11-05 19:12:17] ohmannomma : i like this website
[2015-11-05 19:12:24] ohmannomma : dont get me wrong
[2015-11-05 19:12:28] ohmannomma : the idea is super..
[2015-11-05 19:12:29] BitMEX_Sam : Otherwise you can email us and we will give you more details
[2015-11-05 19:15:12] BitMEX_Sam : In the near future we will also be doing a liquidation page that will show an individual liquidation, what caused it, and its cost to you - we are getting questions like this very often so we'd like the information to be more available
[2015-11-05 19:15:34] BitMEX_Sam : The market is very volatile, expect 100x isolated margin positions to be liquidated quickly if the market turns against you
[2015-11-05 19:17:21] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: would be great to give few options of margin 10-20-50-100x
[2015-11-05 19:17:35] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, we will do that soon - it's on our shortlist
[2015-11-05 19:17:40] BitMEX_Sam : In the meantime open with cross margin, isolate, then add margin
[2015-11-05 19:18:02] BitMEX_Sam : Add 2x, 5x, or 10x the existing margin amount to get to 50x, 20x, or 10x
[2015-11-05 19:18:19] habibi : and add 500 x margin for total suicider
[2015-11-05 19:18:26] habibi : 100 x will stay anyway?
[2015-11-05 19:18:44] BitMEX_Sam : habibi: 500x would be far too risky in terms of liquidations
[2015-11-05 19:18:46] TschavaTschigger : 500 is just stupid
[2015-11-05 19:18:54] BitMEX_Sam : Bankruptcies from 500x would adversely affect everyone
[2015-11-05 19:18:56] TschavaTschigger : 100 is crazy enough
[2015-11-05 19:18:59] dynamike23 : I'm happy with 100x
[2015-11-05 19:19:00] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah. 100 is plenty.
[2015-11-05 19:19:10] sleger : 50 should even be enough
[2015-11-05 19:19:22] habibi : yep that was irony, 100x is crazy enought
[2015-11-05 19:19:23] sleger : and less risk on people who take less risk because of DPE
[2015-11-05 19:19:31] TschavaTschigger : for the suiciders, 100 should be fine. you can't be deader than dead.
[2015-11-05 19:19:42] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, for that reason we do 50x on weeklies and 25x on monthlies/quarterlies
[2015-11-05 19:19:59] BitMEX_Sam : The initial thought was that the varying DPE %s between contracts would lead to different trading
[2015-11-05 19:20:10] BitMEX_Sam : But the liquidation system is working quite well and we've seen no settled DPE, even on 100x
[2015-11-05 19:21:31] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: but some things like liq price before setting order and so in main screen would be good
[2015-11-05 19:21:54] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah liquidation price on the margin adding dialog is something we want, as well as in order controls
[2015-11-05 19:22:23] BitMEX_Sam : There is some quite complex math there, and it's always an estimation because you may have slippage on the order or offsetting positions in cross margin
[2015-11-05 19:22:30] habibi : and maybe 2 wallets, for trading purposes and for withdraw and depositing only
[2015-11-05 19:22:32] BitMEX_Sam : But some indication is surely better than nothing
[2015-11-05 19:22:53] BitMEX_Sam : habibi: Is that just because you want to control your cross margin pool?
[2015-11-05 19:23:06] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: it is wrong?
[2015-11-05 19:23:14] BitMEX_Sam : It's not necessary with isolated margin
[2015-11-05 19:23:33] BitMEX_Sam : I think, once we make selecting alternative leverage easier on isolated margin, it will be far less of a concern
[2015-11-05 19:24:02] habibi : tru
[2015-11-05 19:24:03] habibi : e
[2015-11-05 19:24:05] habibi : true*
[2015-11-05 19:25:41] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Sam: consider this: I go short with 24h with 100x leverage. Mark price is 450. There are just two asks: 450 and 470 (let's say). If the one guy trys to cancel his ask at 450, will the system liquidiate my position with his order before he can cancel it? (because 470 would be out of my margin)
[2015-11-05 19:27:14] BitMEX_Sam : No
[2015-11-05 19:27:31] BitMEX_Sam : No liquidation would occur until the mark price hit your liquidation price, and mark price follows the underlying TradeBlock index
[2015-11-05 19:27:39] BitMEX_Sam : We never intercept cancellations
[2015-11-05 19:27:45] BitMEX_Sam : Or any order, for that matter
[2015-11-05 19:27:48] wurstgelee : so...whats this? serious pump attempt? ;)
[2015-11-05 19:28:20] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Sam: ok.. so this would be a dpe case?
[2015-11-05 19:29:07] TschavaTschigger : if mark price keeps moving and asks get cancelled so my short cant get liquidated
[2015-11-05 19:29:22] BitMEX_Sam : TschavaTschigger: If you actually were liquidated, the system takes over your position at that price and puts an order into the book
[2015-11-05 19:29:37] BitMEX_Sam : The order will remain until someone fills it, and the system will aggress the order into the book at intervals to ensure it gets filled
[2015-11-05 19:29:46] BitMEX_Sam : If, worst case, it is never filled, then it becomes a system loss.
[2015-11-05 19:29:48] BitMEX_Sam : (DPE)
[2015-11-05 19:30:02] wspbtc : oh man, when you can select margin for isolate margin, that will be great
[2015-11-05 19:30:06] BitMEX_Sam : However, if other positions are closed with some equity remaining, that equity offsets the loss caused by your liquidation
[2015-11-05 19:30:22] TschavaTschigger : oh, yeah... makes sense.. silly me.. well explained
[2015-11-05 19:31:36] wurstgelee : wspbtc: +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1
[2015-11-05 19:31:36] gustavo7 : 1,2,3,4,5 cents very funny
[2015-11-05 19:31:52] BitMEX_Sam : cheeky asks
[2015-11-05 19:32:00] BitMEX_Sam : Someone's trying to convince me to group orderbook levels
[2015-11-05 19:32:14] wurstgelee : make it selectable?
[2015-11-05 19:32:20] wurstgelee : grouped or not?
[2015-11-05 19:32:23] TschavaTschigger : +1
[2015-11-05 19:32:32] wurstgelee : always the best option imo,, let users decide
[2015-11-05 19:32:36] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah
[2015-11-05 19:32:46] BitMEX_Sam : We'd have to add a grouped realtime feed, let the engine do the grouping
[2015-11-05 19:32:56] BitMEX_Sam : We don't like to offload that kind of heavy book building onto the client
[2015-11-05 19:33:10] null : I <3 Bitmex
[2015-11-05 19:34:03] dorothy490 : guys why its hard to see profit/loss from order history?
[2015-11-05 19:34:15] dorothy490 : should'\ve said "impossible
[2015-11-05 19:34:47] dorothy490 : even at trade history there is no profit/loss total values
[2015-11-05 19:34:55] BitMEX_Sam : dorothy490: Working on better reporting there, it is more difficult to do because positions may be extended and shortened at will
[2015-11-05 19:35:15] dorothy490 : also can't see my average price when order was closed
[2015-11-05 19:35:16] BitMEX_Sam : Look in your wallet history for rebalance profits
[2015-11-05 19:35:58] BitMEX_Sam : The execution price in the trade history shows the avg price of the fill
[2015-11-05 19:35:58] dorothy490 : wallet is only about settlements
[2015-11-05 19:36:13] dorothy490 : not tlaking about the fill, talking about initial position price
[2015-11-05 19:36:22] dorothy490 : basically no past trade analysis avaliable
[2015-11-05 19:36:25] BitMEX_Sam : I'm with you dorothy490, trade history will soon show PNL when shortening a position
[2015-11-05 19:36:40] BitMEX_Sam : We're aware the reporting leaves some to be desired
[2015-11-05 19:37:10] coinigywilliam : sam is there a way for users to quickly generate api keys through bitmex's ui? or is it all done via api reqs
[2015-11-05 19:37:20] BitMEX_Sam : coinigywilliam: API reqs for now
[2015-11-05 19:37:23] coinigywilliam : 10-4
[2015-11-05 19:37:40] BitMEX_Sam : We'll add it to the UI soon, just have more pressing priorities right now
[2015-11-05 19:37:52] coinigywilliam : np, i know the feeling :)
[2015-11-05 19:38:07] BitMEX_Sam : coinigywilliam: See https://github.com/BitMEX/market-maker/blob/master/util/generate-api-key.py for a CLI interface to it
[2015-11-05 19:38:34] coinigywilliam : ah, nice. yeah, i think we might build it into our UI if possible
[2015-11-05 19:38:52] coinigywilliam : better yet we've been tossing the idea around of an oauth2 style method of connecting to exchanges
[2015-11-05 19:39:13] coinigywilliam : but that's far off of course, due to those aforementioned priorities
[2015-11-05 19:39:18] roymalmberg : BitMEX_Sam: if you look at the stochastic indicator, havent they mixed up %D and %K?
[2015-11-05 19:39:42] BitMEX_Sam : coinigywilliam: Yeah some standardization there among exchanges would be nice
[2015-11-05 19:39:43] roymalmberg : BitMEX_Sam: I thought %K was the fast one, perhaps im wrong
[2015-11-05 19:39:48] dorothy490 : do you trade here admins?
[2015-11-05 19:39:57] BitMEX_Sam : roymalmberg: To be honest not sure, I never use it - but would be a TradingView issue
[2015-11-05 19:40:08] BitMEX_Sam : dorothy490: No, we trade on our testnet and other exchanges though
[2015-11-05 19:40:33] BitMEX_Sam : Which explains, somewhat, how our reporting is lacking, because we don't use it - we are getting the picture loud and clear from our users, though :)
[2015-11-05 19:41:37] BitMEX_Sam : coinigywilliam: BTW come to hudson tonight
[2015-11-05 19:41:50] coinigywilliam : :P priorities!!!
[2015-11-05 19:42:25] coinigywilliam : possibly next week though, if i give myself some advance notice
[2015-11-05 19:42:45] BitMEX_Sam : yeah we're all working ourselves to death this week
[2015-11-05 19:43:03] BitMEX_Sam : I did 16 hours straight yesterday and fell asleep before a meeting
[2015-11-05 19:43:15] coinigywilliam : i know the feeling my man
[2015-11-05 19:43:23] coinigywilliam : we're usually pulling 8am-midnight on weekdays
[2015-11-05 19:43:42] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah same. You guys should come out to Hudson during the day sometime, would be happy to collab on your integration
[2015-11-05 19:43:52] coinigywilliam : ah, are you working there during the day then i take it?
[2015-11-05 19:43:56] BitMEX_Sam : Yep usually
[2015-11-05 19:43:59] coinigywilliam : cool beans
[2015-11-05 19:44:03] BitMEX_Sam : Gets me out of the house
[2015-11-05 19:44:16] coinigywilliam : if i bring a laptop is there someplace for me to post up for a couple hours? i have no problem paying hudson etc
[2015-11-05 19:44:31] coinigywilliam : and yeah, i feel ya. living caveman style right now here in tosa
[2015-11-05 19:44:31] BitMEX_Sam : Oh yeah they don't care. You can be my "guest" or just hang out in the cafe
[2015-11-05 19:44:43] BitMEX_Sam : Tons of people who are here 10hrs
[2015-11-05 19:44:46] coinigywilliam : right on
[2015-11-05 19:45:09] BitMEX_Sam : It's pretty great tbh. Public Market right around the corner - great location
[2015-11-05 19:45:11] coinigywilliam : well i'll definitely consider doing that, i'll be in touch. i'm focusing on getting bitmex balance tracking working, and then incorporating margin/futures sitewide on coinigy
[2015-11-05 19:45:14] coinigywilliam : could definitely use input
[2015-11-05 19:45:34] BitMEX_Sam : coinigywilliam: Yeah for sure, happy to, another funnel for us and it's always helpful to see how people use our API so we can smooth out the pain points
[2015-11-05 19:46:01] coinigywilliam : yup, happy to provide feedback. we've dealt with many an api at this point
[2015-11-05 19:46:23] coinigywilliam : in any case, i'll definitely get in touch soon about hudson. maybe some day next week, i'd love to get out of the house
[2015-11-05 19:47:15] BitMEX_Sam : Cool. I'll be here
[2015-11-05 19:47:56] coinigywilliam : right on, take care - back to our regularly scheduled programming :)
[2015-11-05 19:49:37] BitMEX_Sam : coinigywilliam: Hah
[2015-11-05 19:54:12] gustavo7 : pump up the jam
[2015-11-05 19:54:12] ohmannomma : another borderlne liquidation!
[2015-11-05 19:54:40] JACOBcze : how do i activate margin
[2015-11-05 19:56:40] ohmannomma : but if you see somebody putting margins, you stay on top of it one on one and eventually close the position in the interest of the house, right?
[2015-11-05 19:56:46] ohmannomma : it must be
[2015-11-05 19:59:17] ohmannomma : can you check and reimburse my last liquidation? its another 0.20 snitched
[2015-11-05 19:59:21] JACOBcze : or do i get the margin automatically
[2015-11-05 20:01:02] ohmannomma : hello?!?
[2015-11-05 20:01:40] ohmannomma : i think i am going to write an article about this website
[2015-11-05 20:01:55] gustavo7 : lol
[2015-11-05 20:01:56] j8 : use @ before their name to get their attention @ohmannomma ... you should deal with this by e-mail though
[2015-11-05 20:02:13] ohmannomma : but are you all in the same office, guys?
[2015-11-05 20:02:29] j8 : most of us are traders
[2015-11-05 20:02:36] gustavo7 : yep
[2015-11-05 20:02:43] j8 : bitmex staff have BitMEX in their name
[2015-11-05 20:03:38] ohmannomma : an j8 looks like you are of the family too
[2015-11-05 20:03:47] j8 : no i just trade here
[2015-11-05 20:03:54] ohmannomma : hmmm
[2015-11-05 20:04:13] ohmannomma : they just close a position for millimeters
[2015-11-05 20:04:16] gustavo7 : buy now
[2015-11-05 20:04:20] ohmannomma : when sometimes they keep it open
[2015-11-05 20:04:33] null : ohmannomma: stop gambling if you don't know what you're doing
[2015-11-05 20:04:42] ohmannomma : folliwing the interest of the house
[2015-11-05 20:04:44] ohmannomma : ???
[2015-11-05 20:04:45] ohmannomma : sorry?
[2015-11-05 20:05:15] ohmannomma : so the staff can have dozens links
[2015-11-05 20:05:32] ohmannomma : its like when you 'buy back' with effort something that hasnt got a price
[2015-11-05 20:05:44] j8 : `XBT24H` is 100x leverage but you can add more
[2015-11-05 20:05:58] j8 : if you don't, you will likely be liquidated quickly. or very rich
[2015-11-05 20:06:08] null : ohmannomma: If you trade on 100x leverage, you will get liquidated at a minor move
[2015-11-05 20:06:11] ohmannomma : @j8 who are you talking to? inventing people here
[2015-11-05 20:06:29] ohmannomma : i know @null.
[2015-11-05 20:06:33] null : ohmannomma: use non-isolated margin and manage your risk with position sizing
[2015-11-05 20:06:42] j8 : just trying you help you stop throwing away money
[2015-11-05 20:07:08] cekseh : He doesnt want help, he just wants refunds when he loses
[2015-11-05 20:07:20] ohmannomma : ?? 1. how do you know .. 2. are you of the stafff? 3. there is some manual liquidation that happened im sure
[2015-11-05 20:07:46] ohmannomma : my margin could have done it at least a couple of times
[2015-11-05 20:08:17] j8 : you have to add the margin to the position or uncheck Isolate Margin
[2015-11-05 20:08:40] JACOBcze : isolated margin means i cant lose more than i put in?
[2015-11-05 20:08:55] JACOBcze : as in if I have 1 BTC and I put in 0.2 BTC 10x I cant lose more than that?
[2015-11-05 20:09:02] j8 : yep
[2015-11-05 20:09:03] JACOBcze : and Cross means I can lose entire 1 BTC?
[2015-11-05 20:09:16] JACOBcze : thanks
[2015-11-05 20:09:31] j8 : yeah so there's an initial margin for the position, and whatever you add with the +B... that's all you can lose
[2015-11-05 20:10:38] BitMEX_Sam : ohmannomma: There are no "manual liquidations"
[2015-11-05 20:10:50] BitMEX_Sam : You are using 100x isolated margin and the market is moving quickly, it is expected that liquidated will happen often
[2015-11-05 20:11:13] BitMEX_Sam : liquidations*
[2015-11-05 20:11:42] BitMEX_Sam : ohmannomma: Please read https://www.bitmex.com/app/isolatedMargin
[2015-11-05 20:11:51] JACOBcze : so if I have 1 XBT and I put in buy cost 0.5 XBT am I in 0.5 BTC on 100x margin? Im not entirely sure
[2015-11-05 20:11:57] ohmannomma : are you taking the piss Sam?
[2015-11-05 20:12:15] BitMEX_Sam : JACOBcze: You are buying 50 Bitcoin of contracts with 0.5 of margin
[2015-11-05 20:12:17] BitMEX_Sam : ohmannomma: Excuse me?
[2015-11-05 20:12:26] micmix : BitMEX_Sam, question about the API: any way to place multiple orders in one REST call?
[2015-11-05 20:12:36] JACOBcze : oh god do u have any simple guide for that
[2015-11-05 20:12:39] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: At this time no, you can cancel in bulk though
[2015-11-05 20:12:48] BitMEX_Sam : JACOBcze: Yes, https://www.bitmex.com/app/isolatedMargin
[2015-11-05 20:12:55] BitMEX_Sam : Keep track of the `Order Value` in the controls
[2015-11-05 20:13:01] JACOBcze : ill check it out thanks
[2015-11-05 20:13:16] ohmannomma : yes.. sometiimes the position gets liqudated well in excess of the margin.. sometimes it gets liquidated for 1 millisecond.. there is almost no point to put a margin limit, but there is a lot of risk not putting it..
[2015-11-05 20:13:18] ohmannomma : imag
[2015-11-05 20:13:24] ohmannomma : ine
[2015-11-05 20:14:06] BitMEX_Sam : I don't know what you mean by "liquidated well in excess of the margin" - when you are liquidated, you lose the margin associated with that position, that is it
[2015-11-05 20:14:22] JACOBcze : ok i dont get it
[2015-11-05 20:14:31] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: Yes, I saw about the cancel. Can you add replace order as an atomic operation? Very useful for MM bots.
[2015-11-05 20:14:33] ohmannomma : check my last liquiadation and tell me at what time and by what, expecially, it has been triggered
[2015-11-05 20:14:57] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: I agree, it would likely be implemented as a single operation returning an array of orders or an error, no partial placement
[2015-11-05 20:15:02] BitMEX_Sam : I'll add it to our list
[2015-11-05 20:15:40] ohmannomma : i bought at 400 1000 positions, at 208 2000.. i got liQuidated at 216 (??)
[2015-11-05 20:16:30] ohmannomma : i would be up 0.6 btcs now.. instead i lost 0.2.. i think it shouldnt have triggered the liquidation.. i even put 0.07 of margin more than default
[2015-11-05 20:16:43] BitMEX_Sam : 208?
[2015-11-05 20:16:45] BitMEX_Sam : Do you mean 408?
[2015-11-05 20:16:49] ohmannomma : yes
[2015-11-05 20:17:06] ohmannomma : anyway.. you know what happens.. just re=emburse
[2015-11-05 20:17:24] ohmannomma : that those money went nowhere but in the bank
[2015-11-05 20:17:40] dorothy490 : BitMEX_Sam: you should add possibility to close PART of the order on market
[2015-11-05 20:17:41] BitMEX_Sam : ohmannomma: Do you want me to discuss it here or via email
[2015-11-05 20:17:49] BitMEX_Sam : dorothy490: Market orders are coming soon
[2015-11-05 20:18:04] ohmannomma : well.. if you have a satisfactory explanation you can send me an email
[2015-11-05 20:18:11] BitMEX_Sam : I do
[2015-11-05 20:18:13] ohmannomma : otherwise we'll talk about it on reddit
[2015-11-05 20:18:16] ohmannomma : he he
[2015-11-05 20:18:46] dorothy490 : ohmannomma: make a ticket with full request
[2015-11-05 20:19:05] dorothy490 : I had 2 tickets there and both were handled very fast and descrbied situation well
[2015-11-05 20:19:29] gustavo7 : i'm sure if you can post your trade history and account balance at the begin of the trade someone can do the math for you
[2015-11-05 20:19:37] dorothy490 : there is a several flaws in the system and some lack of information for user but seems like its working
[2015-11-05 20:19:42] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: Excellent! Any plans to add a way to place/cancel orders using websocket API? I guess FIX API is not coming any time soon :-(
[2015-11-05 20:19:48] dorothy490 : I got used to it after few liquidations
[2015-11-05 20:20:21] ohmannomma : Sam, just check how much was my margin sometimes, and how much i really ended up paying, as opposed to some position that gets liquidated in milliseconds if the trend is unfavorable to the house , i guess
[2015-11-05 20:20:44] ohmannomma : me too.. when mistake is mine .. i dont question
[2015-11-05 20:20:55] dorothy490 : by flaws I dont mean problems I mean "rules of execution" which you shoudl carfully read through and understand before serious trading
[2015-11-05 20:21:19] dorothy490 : meanwhile why fair price is so big,, you drunk, go down already!
[2015-11-05 20:21:29] ohmannomma : i understand @dorothy490 !
[2015-11-05 20:21:42] ohmannomma : are you in london by the way? hehe
[2015-11-05 20:22:21] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : ohmannomma: I think you should stop making assumptions and assessing blame until someone else has checked the math. This platform has strict checks in place to make sure the rules are followed
[2015-11-05 20:22:42] ohmannomma : whose son are you ICh.. ?
[2015-11-05 20:22:43] ohmannomma : eheheh
[2015-11-05 20:24:01] dorothy490 : PANIK
[2015-11-05 20:24:49] JACOBcze : how much are the fees here
[2015-11-05 20:24:55] JACOBcze : and why is my nickname pink
[2015-11-05 20:25:10] kilrari : I wouldn't short this right now
[2015-11-05 20:25:32] BitMEX_Sam : ohmannomma: You have an email
[2015-11-05 20:25:41] kilrari : I like my nickname color ?
[2015-11-05 20:25:48] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: No plans for placement over websocket
[2015-11-05 20:26:05] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: use HTTPS keep-alive, the latency is the same, any order placement over WS would effectively have to emulate HTTP semantics
[2015-11-05 20:26:25] BitMEX_Sam : JACOBcze: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fees
[2015-11-05 20:26:36] BitMEX_Sam : JACOBcze: Your username is pink because all username colors are randomly generated, and you got lucky
[2015-11-05 20:26:45] BitMEX_Sam : Although I would call it more of a light red.
[2015-11-05 20:26:45] JACOBcze : Feels Good Man
[2015-11-05 20:27:07] ohmannomma : @BitMEX_Sam: i dont
[2015-11-05 20:27:37] BitMEX_Sam : ohmannomma: It was sent to the email you used to create this account, perhaps it is just taking a while
[2015-11-05 20:27:49] kilrari : Looks more of a menstrual red
[2015-11-05 20:27:53] JACOBcze : what does taker fee mean
[2015-11-05 20:28:05] JACOBcze : oh nvm
[2015-11-05 20:28:07] JACOBcze : im retarded
[2015-11-05 20:28:07] JACOBcze : thanks
[2015-11-05 20:28:46] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: yeah, I understand. The problem with REST is that you don't know that your order placement/cancellation failed until you get a timeout or an error. With webocket you know when it's disconnected.