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[2015-10-30 16:55:32] jung1 : never know
[2015-10-30 16:55:41] Swedishnut : I'm in a very similar position :) Hedged for multiple possibilities
[2015-10-30 16:56:03] laisee : sill have a few million DOGE somewhere ..
[2015-10-30 16:57:19] jung1 : I have some milion of rdd
[2015-10-30 16:57:23] Swedishnut : 2 Million POT is my most aggressive position for future hopeful enjoyment.
[2015-10-30 16:57:32] jung1 : reddcoin is one of the most stable coin on the market
[2015-10-30 16:57:34] kasman5 : okcoin right now
[2015-10-30 16:57:38] jung1 : over 1 year 5satoshi
[2015-10-30 16:57:50] laisee : FEDCoin will be the winner, imho
[2015-10-30 16:58:02] daverich : I think the #1 rule in btc trading should be don't do it when you're drunk.
[2015-10-30 16:58:14] jung1 : kasman5: huobi hit 2200 almost
[2015-10-30 16:58:21] Swedishnut : daverich: YES YES yes....
[2015-10-30 16:58:28] jung1 : daverich: bullshit
[2015-10-30 16:58:37] nickhnt : wut
[2015-10-30 16:58:41] nickhnt : o.o
[2015-10-30 16:59:28] Swedishnut : yeah China China China.... US volume is trading pace behind their curve it appears
[2015-10-30 17:00:00] abc123 : Paycoin
[2015-10-30 17:00:15] nickhnt : wow so lucky man
[2015-10-30 17:00:24] nickhnt : to enter in the long position a few hours ago
[2015-10-30 17:00:56] zanza : i can't believe i lost $20k in paycoin
[2015-10-30 17:01:05] jung1 : : O
[2015-10-30 17:01:07] Swedishnut : I was long at 279. It has been a phenominal two weeks
[2015-10-30 17:01:14] zanza : kidding of course :)
[2015-10-30 17:01:37] jung1 : it was that coin that this guy told to be worth $15?
[2015-10-30 17:04:26] laisee : some guy on internet?
[2015-10-30 17:04:59] jung1 : josh garza
[2015-10-30 17:05:25] Swedishnut : Josh means trickster. Don't trust any Joshes ever again. :P
[2015-10-30 17:05:43] jung1 : this dude promise of a $20 “floor”, or guaranteed buy back and stability of Paycoin.
[2015-10-30 17:06:25] Swedishnut : yeah you cannot guarentee a price floor unless you have infinite supply of cash...
[2015-10-30 17:06:27] nickhnt : paycoin was the biggest scam this year
[2015-10-30 17:06:31] Gemz : btc 500 by december
[2015-10-30 17:06:32] nickhnt : a lot of people lost money
[2015-10-30 17:06:44] Swedishnut : btc 420 by April :P
[2015-10-30 17:06:54] j8 : the paycoin forums were the most depressing thing to read
[2015-10-30 17:06:56] mwalshe99 : Swedishnut: + 1
[2015-10-30 17:07:23] nickhnt : Swedishnut: unles you have a Central Bank hahaha
[2015-10-30 17:07:36] jung1 : btc over 2k after halving
[2015-10-30 17:08:02] Gemz : guys did u knew soon u will be able to send bitcoin through all big social networks, whatsapp, instagram, snapchat,google+, everywhere that requires text
[2015-10-30 17:08:15] Gemz : through your keyboard
[2015-10-30 17:08:28] Gemz : by a third party, but still its awesome
[2015-10-30 17:08:35] Swedishnut : nickhnt: lol YES exactly! Also I just want to say this is the best exchange with the brightest people (I think) Thanks for being aawesome people
[2015-10-30 17:09:13] laisee : ... like changetip?
[2015-10-30 17:09:52] nickhnt : Swedishnut: thanks man :D
[2015-10-30 17:09:59] nickhnt : i liked here a lot too
[2015-10-30 17:10:45] jung1 : Swedishnut: do you know foodemperor?
[2015-10-30 17:11:15] Swedishnut : jung1: no I do not. I'm a single guy with few friends IRL
[2015-10-30 17:12:05] Swedishnut : Thinking of starting a daily youtube trading channel on speculation and news dissemination to gather opinions and more data
[2015-10-30 17:14:44] jung1 : send put link here when you finnish
[2015-10-30 17:15:02] kasman5 : 2200 cny broke, nice psychological barrier
[2015-10-30 17:17:04] nickhnt : 360 by the end of the day?
[2015-10-30 17:17:14] nickhnt : lol
[2015-10-30 17:17:19] jung1 : yuan
[2015-10-30 17:17:22] jung1 : maybe
[2015-10-30 17:17:54] nickhnt : xD
[2015-10-30 17:19:07] laisee : 350 now on OKC
[2015-10-30 17:19:56] nickhnt : look at quaterlies
[2015-10-30 17:20:02] nickhnt : they are going to rocket
[2015-10-30 17:20:09] laisee : converted from CNYr
[2015-10-30 17:26:27] jung1 : nice
[2015-10-30 17:32:13] Swedishnut : 347 would be super by tonight giving the weekend the job of fleshing out over or under. three fitty
[2015-10-30 17:32:58] kasman5 : tree fiddy
[2015-10-30 17:33:49] kasman5 : did ok coin settle today?
[2015-10-30 17:34:18] Mido : let me explain why second after buing contracts ROE is about - 50% while price havent changed?
[2015-10-30 17:34:26] Mido : explain to me*
[2015-10-30 17:35:07] SnackyCoins : your ROE is based on the index price
[2015-10-30 17:37:14] Mido : next weird thing. I bought 1k contracts a few minutes ago
[2015-10-30 17:37:20] Mido : now i have 988 of them
[2015-10-30 17:37:42] nickhnt : did your order filled 100%?
[2015-10-30 17:37:46] SnackyCoins : can't explain that one, maybe it was not filled completely?
[2015-10-30 17:38:07] jung1 : https://bfxdata.com/sentiment/longshort finex going short. 2h ago was 94% long to 8% short
[2015-10-30 17:38:15] AudibleScience : Mido: you must have been short the difference
[2015-10-30 17:41:12] Swedishnut : Anyone else find a GUERRILLA asset in their XCP wallets? Looks like a research company seeking consumer information on XCP users
[2015-10-30 17:43:52] Mido : i wonder what will be the price tomorrow
[2015-10-30 17:44:33] nickhnt : jung1: just more fuel for the rocket
[2015-10-30 17:45:07] nickhnt : lol someone liked 333.33
[2015-10-30 17:45:38] jung1 : we already have 222.22 this year
[2015-10-30 17:45:44] jung1 : waiting for 999.99
[2015-10-30 17:45:48] Swedishnut : 333.33 is kinda a "lucky" # so if your betting it could be tempting especially when the price is flirting with 350+
[2015-10-30 17:46:24] Swedishnut : lol I always jump in my heart when Local btc reads over 500 for cash trades
[2015-10-30 17:57:50] Swedishnut : but as a reference I've been aware of BTC since Occupy and Wikileaks could only recieve money through BTC. That is when I bought my first coins
[2015-10-30 18:00:09] nickhnt : Swedishnut: which year was that?
[2015-10-30 18:01:34] Swedishnut : Oct 2011 - Video I made for reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKsxTA8HLDs
[2015-10-30 18:02:59] nickhnt : wow so you've a long time in the game I guess
[2015-10-30 18:03:12] Swedishnut : yea ten cents a coin was pretty sweet
[2015-10-30 18:04:14] nickhnt : I can't even imagine that lol
[2015-10-30 18:04:24] nickhnt : you are a very lucky guy
[2015-10-30 18:06:23] nickhnt : I discovered bitcoin before the 2013 november bubble, the price was $150, but only after nine months that I bought my first coin.
[2015-10-30 18:06:37] nickhnt : At the time i tought bitcoin was nothing more than another internet scam
[2015-10-30 18:09:42] AudibleScience : Swedishnut: is that you in the video, or were you filming her?
[2015-10-30 18:09:55] BitMEX_Sam : Ah tell me about it. I used to mine back in 2009 when it was a tiny fraction of a penny/coin
[2015-10-30 18:10:07] BitMEX_Sam : Absolutely blew my mind in 2011 when it hit $1, everyone was going nuts about reaching parity
[2015-10-30 18:10:26] Swedishnut : I was filming her. But she was very beautiful and kind.
[2015-10-30 18:11:19] AudibleScience : cool
[2015-10-30 18:11:54] Swedishnut : I only bought 5$ back in Oct of 2011 and I sent it to Wikileaks that day. BUT I mined for a few months and have yet to recover the wallet due to PC had went down. So I still have it but it is like a Mystery treasure chest to me right now"
[2015-10-30 18:12:53] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, that's similar to how I lost mine. Was mining on Windows, and it's typical to format Windows every year or so to keep it fresh. Didn't even think twice that I wiped the wallet.dat, might have been worth $0.10 at the time.
[2015-10-30 18:13:12] Swedishnut : I am 28 now and have moved 5 times in the last couple of years and had my house burn down. So long story short I just got back into Bitcoin this year January
[2015-10-30 18:14:27] Swedishnut : BitMEX_Sam: It bites to lose it but in the same sense it makes the rest available more valuable and adds a bit of mystery to the true spendable in market amount
[2015-10-30 18:14:46] BitMEX_Sam : Swedishnut: Yes, I'd be very interested to know how many coins are actually accessible by their owners
[2015-10-30 18:14:59] BitMEX_Sam : You can estimate it somewhat by looking at what has moved and what has hasn't in the last few years, but that's obviously quite imperfect
[2015-10-30 18:15:43] Swedishnut : true. I like to use the weekly volumes and divide it by 80% of active users. then imagine ten percent of that per trade
[2015-10-30 18:17:04] AudibleScience : (warning) this could be impossible! but wouldn't it be cool to work out a way to be able to recover those old wallets with lost coins in them!!
[2015-10-30 18:18:04] dorothy490 : guess im fucking dubm can some one educate me. I have open position -1000. How can I setup stop loss for it? setup buy limit at for exaple 350?
[2015-10-30 18:18:17] Swedishnut : or to possibly "re-mine" known burned coins?
[2015-10-30 18:18:19] BitMEX_Sam : dorothy490: No worries,
[2015-10-30 18:18:36] BitMEX_Sam : So you'll want to go to "Stop Limit" and set a trigger price and limit price.
[2015-10-30 18:18:56] BitMEX_Sam : So you're short 1000 contracts, so you'll want to buy back in if the price goes up to limit your losses / avoid liquidation.
[2015-10-30 18:19:17] BitMEX_Sam : So you can take a look at your liquidation price - let's say it's 360 - and set a trigger of, say, 350, that will enter a limit at 355.
[2015-10-30 18:19:35] BitMEX_Sam : That means that once the price is >= 350, a buy order of 1000 contracts @ 355 will enter the book.
[2015-10-30 18:19:45] dorothy490 : im getting eror when placing 'set byt stop". Error says: Order Submission error. Excecuting at order price woild put position into liquidation
[2015-10-30 18:20:04] AudibleScience : Swedishnut: exactly man! lol
[2015-10-30 18:20:06] BitMEX_Sam : Ah
[2015-10-30 18:20:37] dorothy490 : but my liq price is higher than 350
[2015-10-30 18:20:45] BitMEX_Sam : dorothy490: Our risk checks are very aggressive - let me check your account. You're setting a limit price of 350?
[2015-10-30 18:21:15] justinlooking : stops are for buses!
[2015-10-30 18:21:27] Swedishnut : I think it might make sense if for whatever reason we need more coins or the person can "prove" they own the accoun and wants to re-issue the coins and give xyz% to the cost of recovery and re-issuance.
[2015-10-30 18:21:44] dorothy490 : yes for example I have current open position were system says liq price 353 and I want to setup buy +1000 at 350
[2015-10-30 18:22:30] Mido : Cmon btc, go up.
[2015-10-30 18:22:50] BitMEX_Sam : dorothy490: That's odd, I'm reading your liquidation price as lower than that - could you please refresh your browser and tell me if that changes it?
[2015-10-30 18:23:26] dorothy490 : oh sorry my liq price is 349.36... what If I put buy order at 346 then? why its not executing
[2015-10-30 18:23:49] Mido : Sam, why after buying 1k contracts for X price my unrealised PNL was ~ -50%? Price havent changed.
[2015-10-30 18:24:05] j8 : i was having that issue yesterday too, it wouldn't let me place a buy stop even though it was below the liquidation price
[2015-10-30 18:26:02] AudibleScience : Swedishnut: really... no me man... this is how I see it: if you destroy your ownership of the coins... they no longer belong to you (or anyone for that matter)... so somehow... one would have to re-mine "lost" coins... and if they were feeling generous they could try and find the original owner and give them back a percentage if they wanted... but the miner would be the new owner of the recovered coins... no?
[2015-10-30 18:26:14] BitMEX_Sam : dorothy490: Let me have Wally look into it - I know the risk check is being overzealous and we're planning an overhaul on it
[2015-10-30 18:26:53] BitMEX_Sam : dorothy490: The issue is that open orders affect stops when they should not - if you cancel any open orders it should work properly.
[2015-10-30 18:27:13] BitMEX_Sam : Mido: That is because unrealised PNL looks at mark price, not last price
[2015-10-30 18:27:13] AudibleScience : there was some guy in the news over here that threw his old laptop in the rubbish and then tried to recover it... don't think the poor guy managed though...
[2015-10-30 18:27:23] Swedishnut : true the miner would be the owner. Idk if it is possible just a crazy idear
[2015-10-30 18:27:41] dorothy490 : I closed an yactive orders and still unable to setup buy stop at 346
[2015-10-30 18:27:42] BitMEX_Sam : Right now 24H is trading with a lot of premium because the market is bullish. We use the underlying price with a small amount of premium to do margin calculations
[2015-10-30 18:27:49] dorothy490 : same error
[2015-10-30 18:28:48] AudibleScience : Swedishnut: I think it's a crazy idea right up until we work out a way to do it! then I think it's a brilliant idea! hahaha
[2015-10-30 18:28:49] BitMEX_Sam : dorothy490: Ok. I see it in our logs, let me do some investigation. Very sorry for the issue
[2015-10-30 18:29:47] roymalmberg : BitMEX_Sam, where do you work from?
[2015-10-30 18:30:03] roymalmberg : How many employees?
[2015-10-30 18:30:34] BitMEX_Sam : We're worldwide, I'm in Wisconsin, the rest of the team is in HK
[2015-10-30 18:30:46] Swedishnut : AudibleScience: well I am no code master but I am decent at exidea creation and finding solutions
[2015-10-30 18:30:48] BitMEX_Sam : We're a small team but expanding.
[2015-10-30 18:31:07] dorothy490 : can you take my words here and use it as a base to place buy stop order for all my currently opened position at 346 with execution price 346,05 ? I can get out of PC soon so might not be able to setup it on my own
[2015-10-30 18:31:22] dorothy490 : to place order on my behalf once this issue is fixed
[2015-10-30 18:31:31] Mido : Sam, why PNL looks at mark price when we don't buy contracts for that price?
[2015-10-30 18:32:04] BitMEX_Sam : dorothy490: Yes, we can do that
[2015-10-30 18:32:06] dorothy490 : Mildo because its settlement price
[2015-10-30 18:32:22] BitMEX_Sam : Mido: https://www.bitmex.com/app/dynamicProfitEqualisation#fair-price-marking
[2015-10-30 18:32:33] dorothy490 : in 17 hours this mark pricewill became a price on which all opened positions will be closed
[2015-10-30 18:32:36] BitMEX_Sam : Essentially it prevents users from forcing liquidations on one another by buying up or selling down the book
[2015-10-30 18:32:51] BitMEX_Sam : It's one of the main reasons 100x is tradeable.
[2015-10-30 18:33:04] dorothy490 : ok Sam thanks will hope you place buy stop order for 346 / 346.05, thanks
[2015-10-30 18:34:36] roymalmberg : BitMex_Sam, nice, where are the founders from ? :)
[2015-10-30 18:35:29] BitMEX_Sam : roymalmberg: All over, Arthur and I are from the US, and Wally is cagey about his identity but is also western
[2015-10-30 18:35:47] BitMEX_Sam : dorothy490: No problem
[2015-10-30 18:37:01] roymalmberg : okay, always interesting to hear the background, I must say you have created a great platform, much better than any non bitcoin exchange I've traded on actually
[2015-10-30 18:37:15] AudibleScience : Swedishnut: we'll have to look into it at some point then man! I'll see if I can find that article about that poor welsh guy...
[2015-10-30 18:37:29] dorothy490 : roymalmberg then you didnt tried MT4 :)
[2015-10-30 18:37:55] roymalmberg : well, I'm talking about webbased, I'm using multicharts myself
[2015-10-30 18:38:06] roymalmberg : mt4 is a program i suppose?
[2015-10-30 18:38:08] dorothy490 : what i LOVE about MT4 is that how easy you can manage Take Profit / Stop Loss there
[2015-10-30 18:38:12] dorothy490 : yes
[2015-10-30 18:38:33] dorothy490 : especially that you can setup take profit/stopp loss for PENDING orders
[2015-10-30 18:38:33] kasman5 : Is Python best to learn for trading bots?
[2015-10-30 18:38:42] roymalmberg : I see, i prefer multicharts for the coding I can do
[2015-10-30 18:38:49] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah MT4 is great.
[2015-10-30 18:38:52] dorothy490 : so you can make a pending order with SL/TP and go sleep
[2015-10-30 18:38:57] roymalmberg : would love to connect bitmex with MC API
[2015-10-30 18:39:15] BitMEX_Sam : We have a Sierra Chart hookup through https://www.bitsouk.com/
[2015-10-30 18:39:18] roymalmberg : Nice, will try it out
[2015-10-30 18:39:40] BitMEX_Sam : That runs through DTC
[2015-10-30 18:40:03] roymalmberg : DTC?
[2015-10-30 18:40:16] AudibleScience : Swedishnut: Found it for you man! imagine being this bloke for a second! (then quicly stop else you'll get deeply depressed lol) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-25134289
[2015-10-30 18:40:20] BitMEX_Sam : An evolution of FIX
[2015-10-30 18:47:17] justinlooking : /me ponders june16/sep16
[2015-10-30 18:47:40] justinlooking : any plans to list spreads at some point?
[2015-10-30 18:48:27] messiaen8844 : anyone excited for the weekend ;) ? what are you guys expecting?
[2015-10-30 18:49:47] sleger : halloween ?
[2015-10-30 18:49:55] justinlooking : mun ofc
[2015-10-30 18:52:16] j8 : best case scenario is just to range the 320's and 330's, stay above the trendline
[2015-10-30 18:54:27] roymalmberg : do you guys trade discretionary or systematic?
[2015-10-30 18:56:08] AudibleScience : roymalmberg: just discretionary at the moment still learning
[2015-10-30 19:04:08] sleger : looks like MM bot widened prices ?
[2015-10-30 19:08:06] nickhnt : who runs the MM bot?
[2015-10-30 19:13:04] sleger : the botrunner
[2015-10-30 19:18:51] messiaen8844 : how is bitcoin wisdom latency? what site is faster than it?
[2015-10-30 19:19:21] j8 : its pretty bad, i find cryptowatch is a bit faster
[2015-10-30 19:19:43] Swedishnut : new bitcrystal card is GOX based looks good
[2015-10-30 19:19:47] BitMEX_Sam : cryptowatch was having a few minutes of latency yesterday, hoepfully it's helped
[2015-10-30 19:19:55] BitMEX_Sam : hopefully it's improved*, I mean
[2015-10-30 19:21:31] justinlooking : anyone have bitsouk invites?
[2015-10-30 19:21:41] BitMEX_Sam : justinlooking: Can get you one
[2015-10-30 19:22:03] jung1 : can I also?
[2015-10-30 19:22:22] justinlooking : BitMEX_Sam: thanks!
[2015-10-30 19:23:12] BitMEX_Sam : I've pinged the owner, he's `vbmithr`, usually hangs out in #bitmex and #bitmex-testnet in IRC
[2015-10-30 19:23:25] BitMEX_Sam : jung1: I'll have him ping you as well
[2015-10-30 19:23:46] messiaen8844 : any plans for monthly/quarterly ethereum futures?
[2015-10-30 19:25:01] BitMEX_Sam : messiaen8844: Not yet, we don't want to split liquidity
[2015-10-30 19:25:17] BitMEX_Sam : Once we feel comfortable with ETH7D liquidity we may list another contract.
[2015-10-30 19:25:28] justinlooking : i think listing spreads for XBT would help with liquidity
[2015-10-30 19:26:00] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, we have spreads in Testnet, we delisted them a few months back because it was cluttering the interface and many users didn't seem to understand them
[2015-10-30 19:26:07] BitMEX_Sam : We'll circle back as we evaluate liquidity on the monthlies
[2015-10-30 19:26:51] justinlooking : oh cool, do you have engine functionality implied matching?
[2015-10-30 19:27:21] justinlooking : *for implied matching
[2015-10-30 19:29:11] BitMEX_Sam : For now the cal spreads are their own books, and a buy puts the user long in the far and short in the near
[2015-10-30 19:30:06] BitMEX_Sam : So no, for now it is only outright
[2015-10-30 19:37:21] BitMEX_Sam : Sierra Chart integration is very nice: http://i.imgur.com/5cHhMuJ.jpg
[2015-10-30 20:51:38] jung1 : what a ride
[2015-10-30 20:52:25] AudibleScience : that just destroyed 2 coins!
[2015-10-30 20:57:24] AudibleScience : jung1: did you ride that on the way down man?
[2015-10-30 20:59:47] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Sam: I'm frozen...
[2015-10-30 21:00:17] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Sam: and my order controls box is blank...
[2015-10-30 21:02:16] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Sam: sorry my bad... for some reason I refreshed and did not realise it had jumped me over to the 7 day contracts...
[2015-10-30 21:39:51] sleger : can we open 2 websockets with one set of credentials (same account) ?
[2015-10-30 21:40:19] BitMEX_Sam : sleger: Yes
[2015-10-30 21:47:25] sleger : is there a limit on http API on orders ?
[2015-10-30 22:17:14] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Sam: quick question, if I go out of the market and temporarily have no contracts (XBT24H) and then get back into the market... Does the "Realised PNL" keep track overall or just for that trading session's PNL per se?
[2015-10-30 22:17:54] BitMEX_Sam : AudibleScience: It keeps track overall - on most contracts, PNL doesn't move from unrealised to realised until rebalance or expiry
[2015-10-30 22:18:29] BitMEX_Sam : sleger: Yes, rate limit has been raised to 300 requests per 5min, from the 150 on https://www.bitmex.com/app/restAPI#rate-limits
[2015-10-30 22:18:57] sleger : so it is for all requests whether it's market data, orders or positions ?
[2015-10-30 22:19:43] Yumi : use websockets as data feed
[2015-10-30 22:19:56] sleger : i am using ws
[2015-10-30 22:20:08] sleger : i dont understand why we cant submit / cxl via ws too
[2015-10-30 22:21:01] Yumi : so if you are using ws you only need restAPI for order control, right?
[2015-10-30 22:21:18] sleger : 300 per 5 min is 1 per sec, if you make only one bid and one ask per instrument on say 3 instruments that is 6 orders, every time you want to modify the price this is 2 operations so that is 12 requests every time you want to update price
[2015-10-30 22:22:43] Yumi : I believe you can send whole array of orders as one request
[2015-10-30 22:23:28] sleger : i havent seen that anywhere
[2015-10-30 22:31:56] Yumi : then the limit seems kinda low x)
[2015-10-30 22:32:41] sleger : agreed, hence my question
[2015-10-30 22:37:50] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Sam: I think something strange is happening
[2015-10-30 22:38:04] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, the limit is intentionally low for most users, if you need more please contact us
[2015-10-30 22:38:06] BitMEX_Sam : AudibleScience: ?
[2015-10-30 22:38:32] sleger : the MM has lost the asks ?
[2015-10-30 22:38:53] AudibleScience : I just sold 10k contracts and nothing appeared to change in the Withheld Profit
[2015-10-30 22:39:06] j8 : i stopped getting notifications
[2015-10-30 22:39:46] BitMEX_Sam : AudibleScience: Try a refresh, if you see the same value I can take a closer look
[2015-10-30 22:40:12] AudibleScience : I did already but I'll do a harder refresh hold on...
[2015-10-30 22:40:23] BitMEX_Sam : Then that may have been intentional
[2015-10-30 22:40:41] BitMEX_Sam : I will have Wally take a look at it when he comes online shortly
[2015-10-30 22:41:26] AudibleScience : still the same?
[2015-10-30 22:42:11] Yumi : did you PNL even change? withhelf profit is based on your pnl
[2015-10-30 22:42:19] Yumi : held*
[2015-10-30 22:43:33] AudibleScience : Let me dump a few more contracts as a test and see...
[2015-10-30 22:43:58] Yumi : unless you have profit/loss I dont see why it would change
[2015-10-30 22:44:05] BitMEX_Sam : I would suggest doing that dumping on testnet :)
[2015-10-30 22:45:34] Yumi : weekly is an unloved child, low activity, huge spreads
[2015-10-30 22:46:50] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Sam: the Realised PNL is changing... so maybe that's what it was then...
[2015-10-30 22:49:07] Yumi : if you close position your profit moves from unrealised to realised but it was withheld before and still is, for XBT thats it
[2015-10-30 22:49:39] AudibleScience : I'm still reading -1.1802 XBT down there... so will profits reduce that down to 0 before building up in my Withheld Profits once more?
[2015-10-30 22:50:15] Yumi : yea
[2015-10-30 22:50:57] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, your profits/losses are cumulative per rebalance period, so if you lose 1 XBT today and make 1 tomorrow you don't have any withheld profit
[2015-10-30 22:55:29] Yumi : that premium on daily
[2015-10-30 23:03:28] woodygar : hi any way to separate chart from orders on the one tab/screen thanks
[2015-10-30 23:12:40] escalicha : liquidity?
[2015-10-30 23:12:45] sleger : wow premium
[2015-10-30 23:22:48] Gemz : glad i cancelled my selll
[2015-10-31 00:26:52] macios15 : AudibleScience: how your long
[2015-10-31 00:37:31] macios15 : its pausible that if i click to isolete then its not to instant liq position
[2015-10-31 00:37:48] macios15 : im drunk u know what i mean
[2015-10-31 00:57:34] BitMEX_Sam : macios15: isolating will put your position at the initial margin threshold (100x on daily, 50x on weekly, 25x on monthly), it won't liquidate you immediately.
[2015-10-31 01:04:50] irbbqu : Just suddenly got ta massive negative realised PNL
[2015-10-31 01:05:24] Yumi : liquidation?
[2015-10-31 01:05:32] irbbqu : Should have been liquidated
[2015-10-31 01:05:39] irbbqu : Damn =/
[2015-10-31 01:05:46] irbbqu : -5.26btc out of tthe bl
[2015-10-31 01:05:50] irbbqu : the blue
[2015-10-31 01:06:15] irbbqu : Was up 0.6 after the liquadation and now several hours later Im minus 5-6
[2015-10-31 01:07:48] irbbqu : Any idea whats up?
[2015-10-31 01:09:12] BitMEX_Wally : irbbqu: Let me have a look
[2015-10-31 01:09:16] irbbqu : Thanks.
[2015-10-31 01:09:59] BitMEX_Wally : Which contract?
[2015-10-31 01:10:29] irbbqu : xbt24h
[2015-10-31 01:17:08] BitMEX_Wally : irbbqu: Yes I see the problem. I will email you
[2015-10-31 01:17:46] irbbqu : Okay, so the previous numbers before the incident are the correct ones?
[2015-10-31 01:17:52] BitMEX_Wally : Yes
[2015-10-31 01:17:57] irbbqu : Phew.
[2015-10-31 01:18:00] irbbqu : Thank you
[2015-10-31 01:22:46] xelamat : what's does "cash rebalance" mean?
[2015-10-31 01:37:05] BitMEX_Wally : xelamat: Every Friday all PNL is realised and moved to your wallet
[2015-10-31 01:37:24] BitMEX_Wally : See the Rebalance Example: https://www.bitmex.com/app/dynamicProfitEqualisation
[2015-10-31 01:37:40] BitMEX_Wally : irbbqu: Your account PNL should now be correct
[2015-10-31 01:38:59] BitMEX_Wally : I'll email more details
[2015-10-31 01:38:59] irbbqu : Thank you for excellent and swift support!
[2015-10-31 02:21:40] ethexio : Sessions are lost quick on mobile.. switch apps, do some stuff, switch back to BitMex 3 min later need to login
[2015-10-31 02:21:52] sleger : saw same thing
[2015-10-31 02:22:03] sleger : i guess its also safer on mobile to have that
[2015-10-31 02:22:30] ethexio : But 3 min?
[2015-10-31 02:22:47] ethexio : Not a huge deal, but..
[2015-10-31 02:22:52] sleger : if you stay on the page it doesnt log you out
[2015-10-31 02:24:26] ethexio : Right. But defeats purpose of having a device that can multitask
[2015-10-31 02:32:50] AudibleScience : macios15: are you still here man?
[2015-10-31 02:38:54] MrTecc : I also wouldn't like any desktop Software to close itself only because i minimize it.
[2015-10-31 02:40:09] MrTecc : It is definitely possible to implement this with various timeframes, up to 180min
[2015-10-31 03:08:34] SnackyCoins : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXSgdJtIm0Y
[2015-10-31 03:22:57] AudibleScience : SnackyCoins: are you in the market right now?
[2015-10-31 03:33:49] SnackyCoins : i have positions yes
[2015-10-31 04:11:49] peasant-wizard : Is there any way to cancel a close market order?
[2015-10-31 04:20:14] BitMEX_Wally : peasant-wizard: Market Close orders are IOC (Immediate Or Cancel) so they never stay open
[2015-10-31 04:21:12] BitMEX_Wally : You can cancel orders under the 'Active Orders' tab
[2015-10-31 04:32:53] peasant-wizard : Huh must have cancelled...?
[2015-10-31 04:33:18] peasant-wizard : So if its not on Active orders, it cancelled?
[2015-10-31 04:35:11] BitMEX_Wally : Yes
[2015-10-31 04:35:20] peasant-wizard : Great, thanks!
[2015-10-31 04:35:47] BitMEX_Wally : It may have been rejected, if isolate margin is enabled. This is a bug I am working on fixing
[2015-10-31 04:36:08] BitMEX_Wally : Sorry, I mean if isolated margin is disabled
[2015-10-31 04:45:31] Yumi : 1% premium on daily with 7 hours to go, what a great deal
[2015-10-31 05:54:39] zanza : go short it Yumi
[2015-10-31 10:23:49] roymalmberg : is there a way to just rollover dailycontracts?
[2015-10-31 10:23:56] roymalmberg : auto
[2015-10-31 10:25:55] BitMEX_Arthur : We used to have roll contracts but we need a better way to view them in the UI. Not enough traders understood so we cancelled the contract
[2015-10-31 10:26:33] roymalmberg : Okay, its manual then? does price move alot when they are settled?
[2015-10-31 10:27:21] BitMEX_Arthur : The premium will decay into settlement. I expect the premium to re appear higher when the new daily lists
[2015-10-31 10:29:45] roymalmberg : okay, do you have a info about pricing somewhere? do you mean premium as in options?
[2015-10-31 10:31:49] BitMEX_Arthur : No the bid price of XBT24H is higher than spot. That premium will go to zero as the contract gets closer to expiry. When it re lists it will be high again.
[2015-10-31 10:35:15] roymalmberg : okay, what is the function of that, do contracts get settled at the spot? that's why its decaying so it can be settled?
[2015-10-31 10:52:28] Yumi : zanza: I set up my trade first then I say anything in chat =)
[2015-10-31 10:54:03] Yumi : roymalmberg: https://www.bitmex.com/app/whatsDifferent#futures-settlement-index
[2015-10-31 11:12:08] zanza : double top ?
[2015-10-31 11:38:24] mwalshe99 : setlement soon
[2015-10-31 11:38:43] mwalshe99 : gaps starting to appear in the bids
[2015-10-31 11:38:51] mwalshe99 : common volitility
[2015-10-31 11:55:50] habibi : settlement closes at entry price?
[2015-10-31 12:12:27] zanza : I feel like if the expiry is under 24 hours left, it should show like a countdown (like 10h24m)
[2015-10-31 12:12:40] zanza : habibi?
[2015-10-31 12:13:46] habibi : What's up?
[2015-10-31 14:01:06] donchard : why is my position taking time to match
[2015-10-31 14:01:29] peasant-wizard : Pretty standard, I've got an order sitting at the top of the books too
[2015-10-31 14:03:01] BitMEX_Sam : donchard: Orders usually execute immediately, otherwise if you're just at the top of the book you have to wait for someone to take
[2015-10-31 14:20:15] peasant-wizard : Any reason why the XBT24H is very often 25 levels deep?
[2015-10-31 14:21:25] BitMEX_Sam : 25 is just the max we show on the frontend
[2015-10-31 14:21:33] BitMEX_Sam : There are more levels available via the API
[2015-10-31 14:36:35] sleger : 25 isnt enough for you?
[2015-10-31 14:37:55] peasant-wizard : No 25 is fine. I was curious that it was so often at 25, and assumed it just maxed out, was just looking for confirmation
[2015-10-31 15:28:23] macios15 : daily 326 to 320 instant lol
[2015-10-31 15:33:31] zanza : who just sold?
[2015-10-31 15:46:50] SnackyCoins : really wish i had a november contract right about now 8)
[2015-10-31 15:49:42] SnackyCoins : i sold
[2015-10-31 15:55:44] macios15 : sell now cry at 1k $
[2015-10-31 16:00:07] zanza : 2k
[2015-10-31 16:00:58] justinlooking : all the k's
[2015-10-31 16:01:59] macios15 : soo that was 340 resistance we defended good, next 436-450
[2015-10-31 16:02:17] macios15 : thatls last resistance to 1k $
[2015-10-31 16:39:47] mtourig3 : hey can anyone tell me why leverage fluctuates? and why it liquidates at 200x?
[2015-10-31 16:41:54] roymalmberg : 200x leverage means you'll get whiped out after a 0.5% move; fluctuation no idea
[2015-10-31 16:43:27] mtourig3 : i went 1300 long at 323.20 and leverage was 110x... then my leverage reached 200x somehow and it liquidated my posiiton... why??
[2015-10-31 16:43:42] MeeGee : hi sam? or other admin?
[2015-10-31 16:43:44] MrTecc : 200x leverage means you get wiped out after a 0,5% move? who told you that?
[2015-10-31 16:44:44] MrTecc : maybe if you're stupid enough to bet your whole bank
[2015-10-31 16:45:36] roymalmberg : math, if you leverage whole portfolio, however it probably liquitade earlier when your account get to small for the margin requirements
[2015-10-31 16:45:50] mtourig3 : i was testing it out... i bet my whole bank of 7$... why would leverage increase?
[2015-10-31 16:46:06] roymalmberg : leverage increase when you lose money
[2015-10-31 16:46:35] roymalmberg : if you buy for 7 dollar, then lose 3.5 dollar, leverage now is twice
[2015-10-31 16:47:03] roymalmberg : on your account or position, but perhaps you refer to leverage allowed by bitmex?
[2015-10-31 16:47:24] MrTecc : i know that roy, but if you're stupid enough to leverage 200 times and then go all in you deserve no better
[2015-10-31 16:47:44] peasant-wizard : MrTecc: Please be nice :)
[2015-10-31 16:47:45] roymalmberg : I agree, but he asked and I replied
[2015-10-31 16:47:59] MrTecc : sry
[2015-10-31 16:48:59] MrTecc : what is the policy with this withheld profit, can someone tell me in quick words?
[2015-10-31 16:49:19] roymalmberg : If anyone is interested check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_criterion if you bet above kelly criterion your risk increase faster than potential return, which lead to ruin
[2015-10-31 16:49:36] MrTecc : better use 1/2 kelly
[2015-10-31 16:49:47] peasant-wizard : MrTecc: Depends on what contract, but profit is given when contracts expire
[2015-10-31 16:49:49] roymalmberg : usually kelly is max 25%
[2015-10-31 16:49:52] MrTecc : when betting on bitcoins
[2015-10-31 16:50:24] peasant-wizard : MrTecc: I'm not sure of the details exactly but its part of the DPE system
[2015-10-31 16:51:01] peasant-wizard : https://www.bitmex.com/app/dynamicProfitEqualisation
[2015-10-31 16:51:02] mtourig3 : So when i go long 1300 at 323.20 and it goes down $1 my leverage will increase? but if it goes up my leverage decreases?
[2015-10-31 16:51:03] MrTecc : alright wizard, after I got wiped out because I was way overhedged I got it all back now. People seem to put in market orders for 5k all the time
[2015-10-31 16:51:20] MrTecc : thank you
[2015-10-31 16:51:34] peasant-wizard : MrTecc: hahhaha yes! First time I've been called wizard and not peasant - thank you!
[2015-10-31 16:52:05] MrTecc : its funny how easy you double your money by being on both sides...
[2015-10-31 16:52:51] peasant-wizard : Can you give a quick explanation?
[2015-10-31 16:53:10] slimc0ins : Can i deposit money any time?
[2015-10-31 16:53:13] slimc0ins : /withdraw
[2015-10-31 16:53:20] MrTecc : take the xbt24h market, which fluctuates like hell atm
[2015-10-31 16:53:47] slimc0ins : or do i need to fill in more details to withdraw my coins?
[2015-10-31 16:54:13] MrTecc : you put in a limit sell at 323, 5k contracts, and a limit buy at 221 at the same time
[2015-10-31 16:54:31] MrTecc : and then just do something else
[2015-10-31 16:54:46] MrTecc : numbers were only examples
[2015-10-31 16:54:57] peasant-wizard : Ah yes, excellent, thank you I understand. Have had limited success with that but will try again
[2015-10-31 16:55:12] MrTecc : can you look into my order history?
[2015-10-31 16:55:24] peasant-wizard : Not hedging in the traditional sense but I understand what you mean
[2015-10-31 16:55:32] MrTecc : just watch out to cancel any open orders when you got filled on both sides
[2015-10-31 16:55:54] MrTecc : it works because people put in market orders
[2015-10-31 16:56:01] MrTecc : or just click on close
[2015-10-31 16:56:21] MrTecc : but dont know that anyone is sitting with a limit order at a very different price
[2015-10-31 16:56:57] MrTecc : just watch the recent trades in xbt24. thats what people do there all the time
[2015-10-31 16:57:19] MrTecc : or what do you think what this 1 contract order is? a test
[2015-10-31 16:58:02] MrTecc : its really funny, but I dont want to lose my whole saturday to this
[2015-10-31 16:58:30] MrTecc : now, all those 5k orders are pretty much the same guy
[2015-10-31 16:58:53] MrTecc : and every time its a huge profit, if you leverage 100 times
[2015-10-31 16:59:14] MrTecc : like a market maker
[2015-10-31 16:59:59] MrTecc : you just need balance and timing. for example when you see someone testing a price, put in your order as a limit and wait until his huge order shows up
[2015-10-31 17:00:09] wurstgelee : congrats, you identified an obvious bot =)
[2015-10-31 17:00:11] MrTecc : then fire your order and you get filled immediately
[2015-10-31 17:00:19] MrTecc : i know
[2015-10-31 17:00:38] peasant-wizard : Appreciate your perspective, good stuff. I just got stopped out of my long so that's my cue to go to work. See ya around!
[2015-10-31 17:00:48] MrTecc : but i dont care, because he does the dirty work...
[2015-10-31 17:01:01] MrTecc : alright wiz, bye
[2015-10-31 17:01:20] peasant-wizard : MrTecc: You on TV?
[2015-10-31 17:01:34] MrTecc : btw, bot trading should be banned
[2015-10-31 17:01:37] MrTecc : no why
[2015-10-31 17:01:42] MrTecc : ??
[2015-10-31 17:01:50] peasant-wizard : Tradingview
[2015-10-31 17:01:59] MrTecc : ah
[2015-10-31 17:02:09] MrTecc : no I read into but I cannot register
[2015-10-31 17:02:12] MrTecc : dunno why
[2015-10-31 17:02:16] mwalshe99 : why would you want to ban bots?
[2015-10-31 17:02:19] sleger : and people who have a faster hand that others should be banned too ???
[2015-10-31 17:02:33] peasant-wizard : Huh, weird. Maybe give it another shot. The Tradingview chat is great to follow. Good info and some classic characters
[2015-10-31 17:02:38] MrTecc : I was just making a controversial remark
[2015-10-31 17:02:42] MrTecc : just an opinion
[2015-10-31 17:02:57] MrTecc : yeah but there is no option to reg atm
[2015-10-31 17:03:04] MrTecc : i would, if i could
[2015-10-31 17:03:06] MrTecc : great site
[2015-10-31 17:03:15] slimc0ins : what is the leverage on xbt24h ?
[2015-10-31 17:03:28] MrTecc : 100
[2015-10-31 17:03:31] sleger : clic on full details
[2015-10-31 17:03:34] sleger : and read
[2015-10-31 17:03:52] MrTecc : wiz maybe you can get me into there
[2015-10-31 17:04:38] MrTecc : Or I'm just blind and dont see the sign up button :D
[2015-10-31 17:07:42] MrTecc : lol the xbu price plummets
[2015-10-31 17:08:08] MrTecc : one hardcore hedger
[2015-10-31 17:28:45] sleger : like 5 btc worth of
[2015-10-31 17:32:34] MrTecc : enough to make money when the spread is 50 bucks
[2015-10-31 18:12:25] SnackyCoins : cross margin is best margin
[2015-10-31 18:13:50] macios15 : great time to short i think its over
[2015-10-31 18:14:35] SnackyCoins : yeah we at support its not a good short here
[2015-10-31 18:14:45] SnackyCoins : but we're in for a bigger retrace imo
[2015-10-31 18:14:56] Yumi : we are below support
[2015-10-31 18:15:15] SnackyCoins : i'm charting bitfinex at the moment :)
[2015-10-31 18:15:19] macios15 : look at 1d not this shit support
[2015-10-31 18:15:21] SnackyCoins : and we did just move below it now lol
[2015-10-31 18:16:04] SnackyCoins : i'll buy 275
[2015-10-31 18:16:46] SnackyCoins : maybe 288 if we dont make it that far
[2015-10-31 18:17:39] macios15 : i think we are now going under log support at 250 this mean red dildo if we pass it like jan 2015
[2015-10-31 18:18:12] zanza : u have to be insane to trade XBT24H
[2015-10-31 18:18:31] SnackyCoins : using isolate margin? yeah
[2015-10-31 18:18:33] zanza : `XBT24H for crazies`
[2015-10-31 18:18:38] SnackyCoins : 24h saved my bacon at the top
[2015-10-31 18:18:49] zanza : bacon? lol
[2015-10-31 18:18:51] SnackyCoins : i wanted to get out of 7d but there was no bids
[2015-10-31 18:18:55] SnackyCoins : couldnt get out
[2015-10-31 18:19:03] SnackyCoins : but it was friday
[2015-10-31 18:19:08] SnackyCoins : and there were bids on 24h
[2015-10-31 18:19:10] SnackyCoins : so i shorted those
[2015-10-31 18:19:15] SnackyCoins : and locked in the profits
[2015-10-31 18:19:17] zanza : oh, a hedge
[2015-10-31 18:19:28] zanza : yeah i suppose it has its purposes
[2015-10-31 18:19:44] SnackyCoins : yeah well you have to be crazy to isolate margin on 100x
[2015-10-31 18:19:50] SnackyCoins : i dont isolate any position
[2015-10-31 18:19:53] SnackyCoins : ever
[2015-10-31 18:20:02] wurstgelee : i do
[2015-10-31 18:20:07] wurstgelee : and it works great
[2015-10-31 18:20:09] wurstgelee : =)
[2015-10-31 18:20:27] SnackyCoins : i'm lying actually since xbu is isolated always 8)
[2015-10-31 18:20:28] zanza : 306, wew lad
[2015-10-31 18:20:42] macios15 : look on chart looks like perfect toped bubble with that bull trap to close
[2015-10-31 18:20:47] zanza : itshappening.jpg
[2015-10-31 18:20:59] wurstgelee : yep.
[2015-10-31 18:21:02] zanza : stamp just had a seizure
[2015-10-31 18:22:22] SnackyCoins : 24h is also great when you dont want to worry about having to get out of a position
[2015-10-31 18:22:33] SnackyCoins : but want to play on a big move
[2015-10-31 18:23:11] SnackyCoins : we still have premiums on all contracts
[2015-10-31 18:25:34] zanza : china is `dumping`
[2015-10-31 18:33:46] macios15 : short or lomg make your bet now guys
[2015-10-31 18:34:14] zanza : if i had extra liquiditiy, i would short the `XBT24H` for arbitrage
[2015-10-31 18:34:24] zanza : looks like about 4 points
[2015-10-31 18:36:03] j8 : zanza: that's what i've been doing the last two weeks
[2015-10-31 18:36:10] j8 : has worked out great
[2015-10-31 18:40:07] macios15 : i think next time ww gona pass this huobi support
[2015-10-31 18:45:44] macios15 : and its gona be huge dump
[2015-10-31 19:15:39] zanza : recovering a bit now
[2015-10-31 21:05:41] j8 : last time USD markets were at this price, china was at 2000
[2015-10-31 21:22:05] messiaen8844 : so, whats up with price differences on finex / stamp / and china?
[2015-10-31 21:22:31] messiaen8844 : finex 312 tamp 308 ?
[2015-10-31 21:23:35] peasant-wizard : Check this out!
[2015-10-31 21:23:35] peasant-wizard : https://tradeblock.com/markets/index/
[2015-10-31 21:24:12] peasant-wizard : Thats the Index BitMEX settles against, and if you check out the chart it illustrates who leads and who follows throughout various moves
[2015-10-31 21:24:46] peasant-wizard : China has definitely been leading the pump and US has been following but seems to want to dump today. Reasons are unknown to me
[2015-10-31 21:24:56] MrTecc : nice index wizard, but i still cant signup
[2015-10-31 21:25:24] MrTecc : there is only a signin, no signup...
[2015-10-31 21:25:33] messiaen8844 : cool, thanks. after so many days of rising, seems natural to dump lol. my short is goin fine ;)
[2015-10-31 21:25:50] peasant-wizard : messiaen8844: Good for you, I got wrecked this morning and havent re-entered
[2015-10-31 21:26:47] peasant-wizard : MrTecc: I think the sign-in is not for individuals, its for accessing timeframes shorter than an hour, and thats offered to companies or larger players (I think)
[2015-10-31 21:26:58] messiaen8844 : well, its just a small position, sold pretty much all my btc in the past two days, will wait in fiat
[2015-10-31 21:27:22] MrTecc : me too. same thing. complete wipe out, but it was my first day. after i recognized all tnose exploratory orders and the huge movement afterwards, I knew what to do..
[2015-10-31 21:27:45] MrTecc : ok wiz, thanks anyways.
[2015-10-31 21:27:51] messiaen8844 : no much luquidity in my country, so I figured out it was a good time to cash out
[2015-10-31 21:27:57] MrTecc : the site is amazing, anyway
[2015-10-31 21:28:15] peasant-wizard : messiaen8844: Curious what country? I'm in Canada
[2015-10-31 21:28:34] messiaen8844 : brazil
[2015-10-31 21:28:41] MrTecc : If anyone is interested, google "exploratory trading" and "HFT" or something like that
[2015-10-31 21:28:53] MrTecc : its very technical, but a good read anyway
[2015-10-31 21:29:21] peasant-wizard : messiaen8844: How did you enter into BTC? localbitcoins or an exchange?
[2015-10-31 21:29:22] MrTecc : and if you know some python, you can even build your own bot after this read
[2015-10-31 21:30:06] messiaen8844 : exchange, lbtc is way too expensive
[2015-10-31 21:30:25] messiaen8844 : and very few sellers
[2015-10-31 21:30:29] MrTecc : the good days of localbtc are over
[2015-10-31 21:30:45] MrTecc : even those sellers with 1000+ trades are more and more scammers
[2015-10-31 21:31:03] messiaen8844 : nowadays there is one good exchange in brazil, volume about 200 btc/
[2015-10-31 21:31:14] messiaen8844 : d
[2015-10-31 21:31:32] MrTecc : wtf is this bittrex thing, btw...
[2015-10-31 21:31:41] MrTecc : all arbitrary invented cryptos=
[2015-10-31 21:31:44] peasant-wizard : Good to know, I'm in rural BC and theres no lbc, thankfully we have Quadriga which is great. Low liquidity but excellent platform
[2015-10-31 21:32:07] peasant-wizard : MrTecc: Check out the daily on RBY