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[2015-10-29 15:52:10] lockhedge : currently only based on Bitfinex, Bitstamp and OKC we use order book data (mid price), not last trade. weightings will still be improved.
[2015-10-29 15:52:47] j8 : volume weighted?
[2015-10-29 15:53:38] lockhedge : we will publish the formula and sample code (open source) so everybody can rebuild the index without paying for a feed or getting delayed data via a 'proxy' in NYC (TradeBlock)
[2015-10-29 15:56:52] lockhedge : j8: more based on latency than volume based, will use info from high volume exchanges only anyway and use order book data not last trade. still working on weightings, currently it's 50% Bitfinex, 25% Bitstamp and 25% OKC under normal conditions.
[2015-10-29 15:58:22] j8 : i see, i think that's roughly proportional to their historical volumes
[2015-10-29 16:11:06] macios15 : 2080
[2015-10-29 16:13:08] owsleybeats : BTC @ $350 !!!!WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[2015-10-29 16:13:16] owsleybeats : lol
[2015-10-29 16:13:48] macios15 : 2090
[2015-10-29 16:14:41] macios15 : if we pass 2100, rip shorters
[2015-10-29 16:14:44] jung1 : wtf
[2015-10-29 16:14:48] wurstgelee : wow
[2015-10-29 16:15:14] macios15 : finex above resistance
[2015-10-29 16:15:40] wurstgelee : now that was unexpected tbh
[2015-10-29 16:16:01] jung1 : welcome to crypto wild west
[2015-10-29 16:16:14] macios15 : ja tam longa odpalilem 10 minut temu
[2015-10-29 16:16:16] STRML : Insanity
[2015-10-29 16:16:38] wurstgelee : great, i love it
[2015-10-29 16:16:40] wurstgelee : ;)
[2015-10-29 16:16:46] laisee : to infinity and beyond ...
[2015-10-29 16:16:47] messiaen8844 : new here, where do we start to short lol?
[2015-10-29 16:17:02] macios15 : at 1k lol
[2015-10-29 16:17:06] wurstgelee : haha :D
[2015-10-29 16:17:37] sleger : premium is so low now though
[2015-10-29 16:18:18] wurstgelee : mh. i wonder if i should risk a small long
[2015-10-29 16:18:19] wurstgelee : just because
[2015-10-29 16:18:30] justinlooking : XBTV15 offer is lower than XBT7D bid
[2015-10-29 16:18:44] macios15 : and we stay at this lvl lol
[2015-10-29 16:18:53] macios15 : it dose not come back
[2015-10-29 16:19:08] wurstgelee : mh
[2015-10-29 16:19:10] justinlooking : they always come back
[2015-10-29 16:20:04] macios15 : finex sup is at 330
[2015-10-29 16:20:17] justinlooking : spreads are for sandwiches and stops are for buses
[2015-10-29 16:20:47] macios15 : soo sky is clear to 330
[2015-10-29 16:22:06] macios15 : finex still pump, short squize ahead i think
[2015-10-29 16:22:26] jung1 : damn
[2015-10-29 16:22:43] wurstgelee : mhhhh
[2015-10-29 16:32:06] STRML : big dump
[2015-10-29 16:32:44] laisee : did someone drop something?
[2015-10-29 16:32:47] macios15 : 2k btc u call big dump
[2015-10-29 16:32:59] macios15 : china dont give fcuk
[2015-10-29 16:35:40] lnostdal : hi would be nice if you didn't change the default tab when clicking the "Bitcoin (XBT)" link guys .. :)
[2015-10-29 16:35:41] dynamike23 : those chinese honeybadgers
[2015-10-29 16:36:00] zanza : i dont know where this price is coming from
[2015-10-29 16:36:03] lnostdal : i mean this lead to XBT24H before, now it leads to XBTV15
[2015-10-29 16:36:06] zanza : its not OKcoins
[2015-10-29 16:36:22] lnostdal : zana: russians on localbitcoin have been buying like crazy because "russia banned btc"
[2015-10-29 16:36:33] sleger : you mean 0KCoin ?
[2015-10-29 16:36:40] zanza : yes sleger
[2015-10-29 16:36:48] zanza : it could be russians selling also =]
[2015-10-29 16:37:01] lnostdal : for every seller there is a buyer
[2015-10-29 16:37:02] zanza : most of the DNM folks are russian i think
[2015-10-29 16:39:06] dynamike23 : is this the ponzi we've been hearing about?
[2015-10-29 16:40:21] jung1 : what ponzi?
[2015-10-29 16:40:23] macios15 : this is why fair price must be based on china
[2015-10-29 16:40:27] macios15 : fcuking finex
[2015-10-29 16:40:58] dynamike23 : finex going bonkers
[2015-10-29 16:41:29] dynamike23 : jung1: there are rumors of some russian ponzi called mmm, owner of BTCChina was talking about it
[2015-10-29 16:41:30] macios15 : huobi still 2084
[2015-10-29 16:42:19] dynamike23 : OKCoin holding steady too
[2015-10-29 16:43:21] AudibleScience : why does finex take everyone down with them with they have a flash crash like that?
[2015-10-29 16:43:46] macios15 : i think shorters on finex start to panic and tryed to start the dump, nb sell 2k at one oder its waste of money
[2015-10-29 16:44:21] macios15 : its sign we are still going up
[2015-10-29 16:44:37] SnackyCoins : china did not give a fuck about that dump
[2015-10-29 16:45:07] dynamike23 : loving this mature language filter
[2015-10-29 16:45:23] macios15 : SnackyCoins: they acutely push it still up
[2015-10-29 16:45:29] dynamike23 : dumping continues
[2015-10-29 16:45:35] SnackyCoins : its shorts
[2015-10-29 16:45:45] SnackyCoins : those are fresh shorts on bitfinex
[2015-10-29 16:45:47] STRML : watch out, cryptowatch has been lagging badly for the last half hour at least
[2015-10-29 16:45:59] STRML : bitcoinwisdom seems to be the only charting site that's actually up to date
[2015-10-29 16:46:05] macios15 : noo its pussy farts on finex
[2015-10-29 16:46:15] justinlooking : lol wut
[2015-10-29 16:50:03] wurstgelee : XBT link now leading to XBTV15 now sucks btw
[2015-10-29 16:50:28] subframe : agree
[2015-10-29 16:50:35] STRML : Yeah just got notified of that via TS
[2015-10-29 16:50:36] subframe : got lost like 3 times
[2015-10-29 16:50:38] STRML : Going to push a fix shortly
[2015-10-29 16:51:48] dynamike23 : remember when gox coins used to be +$100 higher than the rest of the market?
[2015-10-29 16:52:49] macios15 : dynamike23: but now its whole china
[2015-10-29 16:55:03] escalicha : All finex dumps are to opening longS!
[2015-10-29 16:55:06] escalicha : shors*
[2015-10-29 16:56:19] messiaen8844 : anyone trading ethereum?
[2015-10-29 16:56:40] BitMEX_Sam : Instrument order is fixed
[2015-10-29 16:57:14] messiaen8844 : bitmex, new here, congratulations for the "bitmex lessons", very nice for new users
[2015-10-29 16:57:33] dynamike23 : macios15: its weird, not using to seeing this much disparity in recent times
[2015-10-29 16:57:49] macios15 : i would love to congratulations on that finex based fair price
[2015-10-29 16:58:35] BitMEX_Sam : messiaen8844: Thanks, glad it's helping
[2015-10-29 16:58:47] BitMEX_Sam : macios15: It's XBX, not finex
[2015-10-29 17:01:35] subframe : finex ppl moving in to LTC
[2015-10-29 17:04:30] macios15 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nVk25ZvTkU
[2015-10-29 17:05:34] dynamike23 : yolo etc?
[2015-10-29 17:05:40] dynamike23 : LTC?
[2015-10-29 17:10:29] sleger : as in litecoin maybe ?
[2015-10-29 17:11:43] laisee : fundamentals look better for LTC ...
[2015-10-29 17:17:55] jung1 : look on eth also
[2015-10-29 17:19:19] AudibleScience : best guess on where we're heading from here?
[2015-10-29 17:19:49] j8 : nowhere really for the next 5 or 6 hours
[2015-10-29 17:20:17] AudibleScience : and then man?
[2015-10-29 17:20:38] AudibleScience : I say up ^^^
[2015-10-29 17:21:13] macios15 : up, if it over we drop like 100 cny in 1 sec
[2015-10-29 17:21:29] AudibleScience : but that could be just be wishful thinking taking over my brain! hehehe
[2015-10-29 17:21:34] zanza : 311 stamp wall
[2015-10-29 17:22:00] j8 : i dunno, wouldn't be surprised to pull back another $5
[2015-10-29 17:22:09] macios15 : u mean that 220 btc lol?
[2015-10-29 17:23:01] zanza : yup macios :)
[2015-10-29 17:23:05] zanza : miniwall
[2015-10-29 17:24:32] j8 : okc futures settle in 14.5 hours, anything could happen then
[2015-10-29 17:25:20] zanza : i wish bitcoin wisdom would convert CNY to other currencies
[2015-10-29 17:26:20] zanza : anyone think volume bots caused this rally ?
[2015-10-29 17:27:14] j8 : no
[2015-10-29 17:28:06] j8 : how do you figure
[2015-10-29 17:29:08] zanza : a lot of people saying fake volume in China
[2015-10-29 17:29:14] AudibleScience : does anyone think arb bots equalise the difference between exchanges as fast as we saw earlier?... across the board?
[2015-10-29 17:29:48] AudibleScience : I mean that was so fast!
[2015-10-29 17:29:53] j8 : they would be the fastest
[2015-10-29 17:31:46] AudibleScience : So the arb bots are rinsing finex during their flash crash, and dumping into the best exchange in real time eh?
[2015-10-29 17:32:04] j8 : with websockets, you could potentially have a fill notification from one exchange trigger an order at another exchange as soon as its received
[2015-10-29 17:32:40] j8 : then it's just latency between multiple exchanges and wherever your bot is hosted
[2015-10-29 17:33:06] AudibleScience : wow!
[2015-10-29 17:33:23] AudibleScience : Is that what's happening then?
[2015-10-29 17:33:57] j8 : well, bitfinex only just introduced websockets, they're behind on that
[2015-10-29 17:34:53] AudibleScience : that's not surprising though, given the cut and past rumours... hehe
[2015-10-29 17:35:54] j8 : also if you're watching a charting site then you're already seeing a delayed feed
[2015-10-29 17:37:09] j8 : bitcoinwisdom is around two seconds behind what i get by connecting to exchanges directly
[2015-10-29 17:37:11] AudibleScience : How do you overcome that?
[2015-10-29 17:37:37] AudibleScience : or do you overcome it on a server for a bot... but not for a human?
[2015-10-29 17:38:19] j8 : from my residential connection i might get 100 ms latency to most western exchanges if i'm lucky
[2015-10-29 17:38:33] j8 : which is a lot better than 1 or 2 seconds
[2015-10-29 17:39:40] j8 : if you host a bot in the cloud, you might get much lower latency if you can host it near the exchange
[2015-10-29 17:39:46] wurstgelee : is it only me or is mark price updating way faster now?
[2015-10-29 17:40:58] j8 : it's really easy to get low latency to bitmex since its on amazon AWS
[2015-10-29 17:41:05] Mido : Why is chat called "trollbox"?
[2015-10-29 17:41:37] macios15 : becouse your mother use it hehehe
[2015-10-29 17:41:45] nickhnt : lol
[2015-10-29 17:42:10] AudibleScience : so, you're connecting via websockets, and charting locally, you're adding the latency of your connection and subtracting the latency from say wisdom... @j8
[2015-10-29 17:43:07] Mido : uses*, learn English bro
[2015-10-29 17:43:08] sleger : for manual trading that doesnt make much sense... plus main exchanges are located in different part of the world anyways
[2015-10-29 17:43:19] j8 : AudibleScience: yeah you cut out the middleman. still, if i'm watching a realtime chart i know i won't react as fast as the bots
[2015-10-29 17:44:06] AudibleScience : very cool man... would you help hook me up the same way at some point man?
[2015-10-29 17:45:31] AudibleScience : I'm not ready just yet... still learning at a relatively ferocious pace! But when I've evolved a bit more maybe?
[2015-10-29 17:47:23] j8 : sure i can point you in the right direction. i don't have any good software to recommend, i've worked a bit on stuff like that though
[2015-10-29 17:48:04] AudibleScience : Id like to get a few bots on the go too, but all in good time... when I'm a better trader... because ultimately the bot still needs input from it's master... and if that's gonna be me... I need to become the master first! hehe
[2015-10-29 17:50:02] j8 : yeah i've been planning on getting bots going, for now mostly its tools to help with manual trading
[2015-10-29 17:53:23] AudibleScience : very cool man...
[2015-10-29 17:53:40] jung1 : litecoin wtf
[2015-10-29 17:53:45] jung1 : 0.012
[2015-10-29 17:54:16] nickhnt : dumped btc for ltc
[2015-10-29 18:44:51] wurstgelee : moonshot, 2nd attempt
[2015-10-29 18:46:58] justinlooking : wow ETH, did not notice that at all
[2015-10-29 18:56:08] roymalmberg : BitMEX trade during the weekend?
[2015-10-29 18:56:42] j8 : 24/7 the party never stops
[2015-10-29 18:57:13] SnackyCoins : ya bitcoin never closes
[2015-10-29 18:57:17] roymalmberg : That's amazing actually, currencies doesn't trade during the weekend
[2015-10-29 18:57:25] roymalmberg : oppoooooortunity:D
[2015-10-29 18:57:34] jung1 : ltc 0.012
[2015-10-29 18:57:37] jung1 : on polo
[2015-10-29 18:57:44] macios15 : wisdom got like 5 years and they didnt deal that lags even now
[2015-10-29 18:58:12] j8 : somehow that became a link
[2015-10-29 18:58:16] SnackyCoins : Any BitMEX around? I have a strategy i'd like to execute but not 100% how
[2015-10-29 18:58:27] SnackyCoins : sure*
[2015-10-29 18:58:29] jung1 : share with us
[2015-10-29 18:58:46] SnackyCoins : so i am long XBUZ from a really nice position
[2015-10-29 18:58:51] SnackyCoins : i have profit i would like to lock in
[2015-10-29 18:58:59] SnackyCoins : but i do not want to give up the entry
[2015-10-29 18:59:09] SnackyCoins : so instead i wish to short a shorter term contract
[2015-10-29 18:59:27] j8 : good plan the premiums are nice
[2015-10-29 18:59:41] SnackyCoins : but am not sure the number of contracts to translate between XBU to XBT
[2015-10-29 19:00:26] j8 : k see your position value in btc in the table?
[2015-10-29 19:00:42] SnackyCoins : yeah
[2015-10-29 19:00:58] SnackyCoins : ah get up to that number?
[2015-10-29 19:01:08] j8 : put some numbers into the order controls until the order value matches
[2015-10-29 19:01:26] SnackyCoins : easier than expected :) love it when i dont have to use a calculator
[2015-10-29 19:01:35] j8 : yeah it's handy
[2015-10-29 19:02:28] SnackyCoins : Also thanks for the help :)
[2015-10-29 19:02:33] j8 : you might want to wait for next week's contract or the november to launch
[2015-10-29 19:02:37] j8 : np
[2015-10-29 19:02:52] SnackyCoins : I'll jump back in tomorrow morning, i'll be awake
[2015-10-29 19:03:20] SnackyCoins : its okc settlement tonight so i expect some action
[2015-10-29 19:03:47] j8 : yeah me too.
[2015-10-29 19:04:17] jung1 : 0.0125 LTC
[2015-10-29 19:06:39] SnackyCoins : cross margin is the bee's knees 8)
[2015-10-29 19:08:33] j8 : it is, although the downside is it's not straightforward to know what your liquidation prices are
[2015-10-29 19:10:00] roymalmberg : A question, does XBT index only provide closing price for minute data?
[2015-10-29 19:14:12] j8 : yeah, that's about as good as it gets for historical XBX data
[2015-10-29 19:14:58] j8 : tradeblock doesn't provide it to the public at lower than 1 hour intervals
[2015-10-29 19:15:18] roymalmberg : I see, really dont need more though :)
[2015-10-29 19:16:02] roymalmberg : What is your background guys and gals? been trading in different environments?
[2015-10-29 19:17:01] sleger : yes, summer sun, autumn rain, snow etc....
[2015-10-29 19:17:13] j8 : been trading about 2 years, it's been a fun ride
[2015-10-29 19:17:56] j8 : made a lot of hilarious mistakes and had some brilliant luck
[2015-10-29 19:18:14] roymalmberg : I see, how come you started trading bitcoin?
[2015-10-29 19:19:21] roymalmberg : I've been trading stocks and commodities, but figured there is alot of opportunity in this new market
[2015-10-29 19:19:55] roymalmberg : j8: from?
[2015-10-29 19:20:23] j8 : got really interested in the technology and then got a little caught up in bubble fever back in fall 2013
[2015-10-29 19:20:32] j8 : bought some shitty altcoins
[2015-10-29 19:20:58] j8 : been through the woodchipper a couple times
[2015-10-29 19:21:53] j8 : sold almost all my btc to pay for life, got down to my last 1.5 this summer
[2015-10-29 19:22:32] j8 : and have had a brilliant run since then
[2015-10-29 19:22:56] sleger : is it even worth your time to trade with 1.5 btc ???
[2015-10-29 19:23:27] j8 : i figured what the heck, i was trading `BVOL24H` at the time
[2015-10-29 19:23:52] j8 : the volatility contract. and made 6.5 btc the day of the flash crash
[2015-10-29 19:26:22] sleger : does it still exist ?
[2015-10-29 19:26:26] sleger : bvol24?
[2015-10-29 19:26:34] j8 : nope the liquidity never really came
[2015-10-29 19:27:21] j8 : back then it was indexed to bitfinex too.. so the `BVOL24H` index went from 2 to over 30 that day
[2015-10-29 19:27:50] roymalmberg : interesting I wouldn't be suprised if bitcoin have another bubble, isn't futures pretty new? It's only going to help bitcoin to run up
[2015-10-29 19:28:30] roymalmberg : flash crashes kind of scare me though, hard to get out I suppose, or is it liquidity?
[2015-10-29 19:29:09] j8 : the okc charts go back to sept 2014, so yeah we haven't seen futures in a real uptrend
[2015-10-29 19:42:36] j8 : just a series of disappointments.
[2015-10-29 19:43:52] cekseh : You sound like my mother
[2015-10-29 19:44:03] SnackyCoins : lol
[2015-10-29 19:44:06] SnackyCoins : ceksy
[2015-10-29 19:44:16] cekseh : Hey snacky
[2015-10-29 19:44:42] SnackyCoins : trading here now :)?
[2015-10-29 19:45:09] cekseh : Been trading here since before everyone was saying they couldnt trade here because of low liquidity
[2015-10-29 19:45:27] SnackyCoins : heh ditto
[2015-10-29 19:45:36] SnackyCoins : easy money back then
[2015-10-29 19:45:49] SnackyCoins : easy money now 8)
[2015-10-29 19:45:52] cekseh : These week hasn't been so bad
[2015-10-29 19:45:55] cekseh : Yeah I was gonna say
[2015-10-29 19:46:00] cekseh : This*
[2015-10-29 19:46:34] SnackyCoins : my best wins ever this rally
[2015-10-29 19:46:44] cekseh : Nice =)
[2015-10-29 19:47:41] cekseh : Yeah I withdrew a good chunk of my (small) account here a few days ago and made it all up and more over the last 72 hrs
[2015-10-29 19:48:40] j8 : and the best part is, your btc are worth 30% more than a month ago
[2015-10-29 19:49:09] roymalmberg : tax free ? =D
[2015-10-29 19:49:42] cekseh : Everyone here pays their taxes
[2015-10-29 19:50:38] SnackyCoins : if you are making money in btc then you can afford to pay them lol
[2015-10-29 19:51:11] SnackyCoins : if you are losing money you can claim it maybe ;)
[2015-10-29 19:51:19] laisee : from 1 to about 8 BC in few months, while learning something about futures ... nice
[2015-10-29 19:51:21] roymalmberg : great! I'm not from the IRS
[2015-10-29 19:51:59] SnackyCoins : yeah great educational experience
[2015-10-29 19:52:08] SnackyCoins : trading losses < tuition
[2015-10-29 19:52:24] SnackyCoins : maybe :P if you are smart
[2015-10-29 19:52:29] laisee : and EH just for fun. ;-).
[2015-10-29 19:52:36] j8 : unless you live somewhere with free tuition
[2015-10-29 19:52:38] laisee : and ETH ...
[2015-10-29 19:53:08] SnackyCoins : true you could also live someplace where btc gain is not taxed :P
[2015-10-29 19:53:38] cekseh : Also teaches you to control your emotions and roll with the punches, when okc becomes unavailable for western traders and then moves the price 50$
[2015-10-29 19:53:44] cekseh : Resulting in half your accoutn getting nuked
[2015-10-29 19:53:48] cekseh : =)
[2015-10-29 19:55:07] j8 : yeah not a good feeling
[2015-10-29 19:57:26] cekseh : Then again, that feeling when it happens again the opposite way 2 days later in your benefit is rather enjoyable
[2015-10-29 19:57:44] j8 : leverage is crack
[2015-10-29 19:58:04] j8 : you just have to be a responsible crack user
[2015-10-29 19:58:21] j8 : and not throw your life savings at it
[2015-10-29 19:58:55] roymalmberg : what savings?
[2015-10-29 19:59:24] macios15 : roymalmberg: good point
[2015-10-29 19:59:28] laisee : put away the pipe when it starts feeling good
[2015-10-29 19:59:53] j8 : oh, and don't trade futures while on crack
[2015-10-29 20:00:16] cekseh : I'm too privileged for crack, nose candy is the way to go.
[2015-10-29 20:00:24] j8 : that's fine
[2015-10-29 20:01:18] laisee : ... good for the confidence, not good for bottom tine
[2015-10-29 20:29:19] j8 : hey guys, at this price the contracts are worth $1.00
[2015-10-29 20:29:28] j8 : neato
[2015-10-29 20:41:53] Mido : meow
[2015-10-29 20:45:48] STRML : woof
[2015-10-29 20:46:17] wurstgelee : mooooooo
[2015-10-29 20:47:19] STRML : BitMEX, the home of 100x leveraged farm animals
[2015-10-29 20:48:04] j8 : what animal says neato?
[2015-10-29 20:48:32] j8 : me i guess
[2015-10-29 20:49:00] Mido : neato? is it even a word?
[2015-10-29 20:49:21] wurstgelee : typo. without o
[2015-10-29 20:49:38] j8 : it means neat
[2015-10-29 20:51:16] Mido : you mean not-dirt?
[2015-10-29 20:52:09] j8 : i mean interesting
[2015-10-29 20:55:01] Mido : lets guess the price for tomorrow
[2015-10-29 20:55:18] laisee : china wakes up, again
[2015-10-29 20:55:20] Mido : 325 usd
[2015-10-29 20:55:25] wurstgelee : 250-400. approximately
[2015-10-29 20:55:39] Mido : XDDD
[2015-10-29 20:55:42] wurstgelee : :D
[2015-10-29 20:56:42] laisee : 2200 CNY
[2015-10-29 20:57:03] nickhnt : mun
[2015-10-29 20:57:04] nickhnt : lol
[2015-10-29 20:57:05] nickhnt : xD
[2015-10-29 20:58:15] laisee : $MORE
[2015-10-29 20:58:31] Mido : How many % of BTC chinese guys have? Is it possible to check it somewhere?
[2015-10-29 20:58:57] nickhnt : i've seen in an article the volume % of the exchanges
[2015-10-29 20:59:10] nickhnt : 85%+ is from OKCoin and Huobi alone
[2015-10-29 20:59:21] Mido : holy god
[2015-10-29 20:59:32] j8 : trading volume is a really bad measure for those exchanges though
[2015-10-29 20:59:32] nickhnt : hahaha ok co became the woodchipper
[2015-10-29 21:00:55] nickhnt : j8: yes it is not so great
[2015-10-29 21:02:29] nickhnt : Mido: we can't know for certain how many btcs the orient have in their hands
[2015-10-29 21:04:37] j8 : we know a substantial amount of the hash power comes from china. not sure offhand
[2015-10-29 21:05:20] nickhnt : yeah if we know the % that they get each day we can estimate how many they have now
[2015-10-29 21:06:49] Mido : which market has the largest volume overall? Bitfinex?
[2015-10-29 21:07:10] sleger : noooooo, the chinese ones by far
[2015-10-29 21:07:42] wurstgelee : 0kcoin and huobi
[2015-10-29 21:08:11] wurstgelee : they use volumizer/artifiacal volume tho
[2015-10-29 21:08:18] wurstgelee : artificia
[2015-10-29 21:08:21] wurstgelee : l
[2015-10-29 21:08:23] wurstgelee : ffs
[2015-10-29 21:08:30] Mido : both?
[2015-10-29 21:08:43] sleger : no it is not artificial it is real
[2015-10-29 21:08:55] sleger : but i do agree volume is not a meaningful measure
[2015-10-29 21:09:35] j8 : real in the sense that someone really bought their own coins at no cost
[2015-10-29 21:09:48] laisee : in or out of China? seehttps://www.coinhills.com for vol numbers
[2015-10-29 21:10:16] sleger : j8: not necessarily it can be algo a trading against algo b against algo c and d etc...
[2015-10-29 21:11:22] j8 : sure there's lots of that, but a big part of their recorded volume is from huge trades that are in the middle of the spread and are never seen on the orderbook
[2015-10-29 21:11:41] j8 : i.e. submit a bid and ask that cross at the exact same time
[2015-10-29 21:13:08] sleger : hmm ok that is really fake volume :p
[2015-10-29 21:13:15] j8 : happens on huobi and okc. they basically compete for top 24h volume
[2015-10-29 21:13:43] laisee : if order book never saw a trade, did it really happen ..
[2015-10-29 21:14:02] j8 : trade history shows it, you would need to snap the orderbook at the exact right moment
[2015-10-29 21:18:03] j8 : they don't send individual orderbook changes by websocket and there's no historical record either
[2015-10-29 21:19:36] laisee : yeah, exacttly
[2015-10-29 21:21:30] laisee : real trades, but on whose account?
[2015-10-29 21:22:56] j8 : well, if you had a bad connection you might risk getting filled by someone else
[2015-10-29 21:23:55] j8 : they offer a paid colocation service, so it probably comes from one of those colocated customers, or okc themselves
[2015-10-29 21:24:18] sleger : they shouldnt let someone trade against themselves, they should at least have to make the effort of having 2 accounts, and the risks that come with
[2015-10-29 21:24:32] j8 : it's a trivial difference.
[2015-10-29 21:24:39] sleger : j8: do you know whats the price of colo ?
[2015-10-29 21:25:05] sleger : and no its not trivial, much more risk if market moves to have one account liquidated
[2015-10-29 21:25:22] sleger : and you cant withdraw unrealised etc etc
[2015-10-29 21:27:10] j8 : not sure of the cost but its probably a lot. i was mostly talking about spot where there's no fee and no liquidations
[2015-10-29 21:27:12] macios15 : china wakes up
[2015-10-29 21:27:28] wurstgelee : too early for that normally
[2015-10-29 21:27:37] wurstgelee : shouldnt happen earlier than 2h from now
[2015-10-29 21:28:21] macios15 : those 20k shorts on finex gona get margin call
[2015-10-29 21:30:47] sleger : 20k shorts ?
[2015-10-29 21:31:12] macios15 : sleger: yes
[2015-10-29 21:31:24] sleger : what are you talking about ?
[2015-10-29 21:33:16] sleger : price on bfx will jump soon higher
[2015-10-29 21:33:43] macios15 : sleger: sb opened at 320 like 7k soo its sum of 20k i think
[2015-10-29 21:33:45] j8 : https://bfxdata.com/combined/btc
[2015-10-29 21:34:00] macios15 : i didnt looket on stats
[2015-10-29 21:34:36] sleger : macios15: sb ?
[2015-10-29 21:34:51] macios15 : somebody
[2015-10-29 21:34:54] sleger : somebody ?
[2015-10-29 21:34:56] sleger : ah ok
[2015-10-29 21:35:37] sleger : if they opened at 320 then they have long time to go
[2015-10-29 21:37:13] macios15 : sleger: yes, too much for this attempt next try in 1-2h
[2015-10-29 21:37:43] sleger : leverage is not even 3 at best on bfx so they wouldnt get a stop loss before 400+
[2015-10-29 21:39:01] macios15 : sleger: i think they exit faster
[2015-10-29 21:39:38] macios15 : sleger: fake 2k wall at huobi
[2015-10-29 21:40:08] sleger : it's at 2100, we will see how fake it is
[2015-10-29 21:42:14] macios15 : and its gone
[2015-10-29 21:43:50] sleger : no ?
[2015-10-29 21:44:02] wurstgelee : no it isnt
[2015-10-29 21:44:09] wurstgelee : still going up
[2015-10-29 21:44:19] macios15 : sb put it again
[2015-10-29 21:45:22] sleger : that sb guy is a real joker :)
[2015-10-29 21:45:45] macios15 : :D
[2015-10-29 21:52:01] MarketQ : When i place a stop loss on this site and I enter the limit price and stop price it executes at the stop level but not for the limit order part of the "stop limit" is this your experience with Bitmex
[2015-10-29 21:52:52] BitMEX_Sam : Not sure what you mean - when a stop hits its stop price, it enters the book at the limit price
[2015-10-29 21:53:18] macios15 : my expirence with bitmex is when i close market exacly the same time when MM deletes order book and close with lose insted with profit
[2015-10-29 21:56:00] sleger : yes the orderbook is quite empty without these quotes
[2015-10-29 21:58:09] macios15 : all walls gone, time to go up
[2015-10-29 21:58:26] FoCheezyBreezy : NEVER market close for any reason. It's too dangerous for the exact reason you said, macios15. just do limit orders and click a place deep enough in the order book where you know you'll be completely filled. After you click a spot in the order book, just make sure your quantity is correct
[2015-10-29 21:58:57] macios15 : FoCheezyBreezy: now i know
[2015-10-29 22:04:31] BitMEX_Sam : Alternatively, use Close Limit
[2015-10-29 22:24:57] justinlooking : aww bless, according to cw.ch 1min gemini had two little flash crashes to 261
[2015-10-29 22:26:47] macios15 : i think its corection time
[2015-10-29 22:27:02] justinlooking : back to 1200?
[2015-10-29 22:27:11] justinlooking : it's been a long time coming...
[2015-10-29 22:27:22] fyrstikken : buy now and get insta-rekt on 100X with the MM messing up the orderbook
[2015-10-29 22:27:30] macios15 : yes, little corection to 1200cny lol
[2015-10-29 22:27:59] macios15 : premium short at daily
[2015-10-29 22:28:40] justinlooking : cheapies on the 7d
[2015-10-29 22:30:00] Mido : Could you please explain what the fair price is?
[2015-10-29 22:31:20] macios15 : shit
[2015-10-29 22:32:45] justinlooking : Mido: that should be in the FAQ. i think it might be a TWAP from tradeblock...
[2015-10-29 22:33:03] justinlooking : *should be, but isn't
[2015-10-29 22:33:13] j8 : it's not a TWAP until the last 30 mins before settlement
[2015-10-29 22:34:39] j8 : 2 hours on the longer contracts
[2015-10-29 22:35:20] Mido : btc-e price: 305 usd - wtf¿
[2015-10-29 22:38:56] BitMEX_Sam : https://www.bitmex.com/app/dynamicProfitEqualisation#fair-price-marking
[2015-10-29 22:39:06] BitMEX_Sam : Mido: Yeah, btc-e has been very cheap for a while - it must be very expensive to get fiat in
[2015-10-29 22:54:45] BitMEX_Sam : cengel: Got you a present
[2015-10-29 22:55:10] BitMEX_Sam : https://blog.bitmex.com/transferable-margin-on-isolated-positions/
[2015-10-29 22:56:21] wykop.pl : like!
[2015-10-29 22:56:49] BitMEX_Sam : TL;DR: You can now add and remove margin from isolated positions at will to adjust your effective leverage
[2015-10-29 22:57:24] wykop.pl : need to relogin?
[2015-10-29 22:57:38] Yumi : thats very nice :)
[2015-10-29 22:59:38] BitMEX_Sam : wykop.pl: Just refresh
[2015-10-29 23:00:26] wykop.pl : ctrl+f5 no impact
[2015-10-29 23:01:23] Yumi : its next to the "value" in open positions tab, not next to "isoalte margin"
[2015-10-29 23:01:40] Yumi : in margin tab
[2015-10-29 23:02:21] BitMEX_Sam : The position needs to be isolated to see it.
[2015-10-29 23:06:44] Yumi : woul;d be cool if you could set margin level with slider and be shown how much margin you need add/remove to achieve that margin level
[2015-10-29 23:08:03] Yumi : if I want to make my positon 10x leveraged I need to guess how much to add
[2015-10-29 23:10:15] daverich : IN the api /position response, how does "avgCostPrice" differ from "avgEntryPrice"?
[2015-10-29 23:14:45] BitMEX_Sam : daverich: `avgCostPrice` is what is shown on the UI, it is the average price of the position entry
[2015-10-29 23:15:00] BitMEX_Sam : Whereas `avgEntryPrice` is the number used for unrealised pnl calculations, and changes upon rebalance
[2015-10-29 23:15:30] daverich : so avgCostPrice doesn't change on a rebalance?
[2015-10-29 23:15:36] BitMEX_Sam : Exactly
[2015-10-29 23:15:48] daverich : Thanks
[2015-10-29 23:16:35] Yumi : I thought it was other way around, good I didnt say anything x)
[2015-10-30 00:00:39] donchard : how do i use the add margin feature
[2015-10-30 00:02:38] BitMEX_Sam : donchard: https://blog.bitmex.com/transferable-margin-on-isolated-positions/
[2015-10-30 00:11:41] donchard : so whae is the list margin i can add
[2015-10-30 00:22:40] j8 : 1 satoshi apparently
[2015-10-30 00:43:40] j8 : BitMEX_Sam: nice to see this feature roll out. one thing i notice is, when i add margin the available margin doesn't update elsewhere on the site
[2015-10-30 00:45:44] BitMEX_Sam : Thanks j8, looking into it.
[2015-10-30 00:54:13] j8 : maybe there's other issues, it's not updating when i place orders either
[2015-10-30 00:58:14] BitMEX_Sam : j8: Yes, there's currently an issue with the auto update of margin, it is correct on a refresh. The fix is deploying right now.
[2015-10-30 01:01:04] Gemz : btc to 400
[2015-10-30 01:07:45] j8 : it's never spent much time in the 300's
[2015-10-30 01:17:55] BitMEX_Sam : j8: On a refresh you'll see margin move properly, thanks for the note
[2015-10-30 01:18:02] j8 : ok cool
[2015-10-30 02:56:22] Satoshi : Whats up
[2015-10-30 03:00:25] AudibleScience : what's up man
[2015-10-30 03:02:42] AudibleScience : not the real Satoshi then...
[2015-10-30 03:05:25] AudibleScience : Won't the real Sa-to-shi, please stand up? Please stand up!
[2015-10-30 04:21:46] sleger : the OB is inverted ???
[2015-10-30 04:29:56] BitMEX_Sam : sleger: Please refresh, we're seeing an occasional update issue in the web client, investigating
[2015-10-30 04:30:17] sleger : i have a screenshot if you want
[2015-10-30 04:32:28] BitMEX_Sam : Sure, support@bitmex.com
[2015-10-30 04:35:01] macios15 : i just got on chart wtf
[2015-10-30 04:40:14] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: sent
[2015-10-30 04:41:52] macios15 : do u think we gona bounce from that 340
[2015-10-30 04:50:06] BitMEX_Sam : sleger: Issue is fixed, was visual only
[2015-10-30 04:50:09] BitMEX_Sam : Please refresh
[2015-10-30 04:56:40] macios15 : bears can attack now, great head and shoulders to make or not
[2015-10-30 04:57:59] macios15 : but if 2250 hodls still up
[2015-10-30 04:59:51] macios15 : and its done, bears won that one, going to reverse now
[2015-10-30 05:09:28] mitior : lol
[2015-10-30 05:12:36] cekseh : macios should we buy or sell?!?! whats it doing next bro.
[2015-10-30 05:12:36] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Sam: Your UX rules! I love BitMEX!!
[2015-10-30 05:12:44] cekseh : ^
[2015-10-30 05:13:41] AudibleScience : macios15: that was something else man! are you still here?
[2015-10-30 05:13:45] macios15 : cekseh: im waiting for that triangle what is making to set
[2015-10-30 05:13:47] SnackyCoins : +1 to that
[2015-10-30 05:13:59] macios15 : i predicted that, im genius
[2015-10-30 05:14:11] macios15 : http://scr.hu/3e9p/yd9u1
[2015-10-30 05:14:55] BitMEX_Sam : Thanks AudibleScience
[2015-10-30 05:15:20] macios15 : http://scr.hu/3e9p/bb6ul no we wait for this to set, or no if huobi drops
[2015-10-30 05:17:22] macios15 : if 2100 holds i think up, that was not clear head and shoulders
[2015-10-30 05:18:03] macios15 : i was talking about 1k $ by december and i still hold it
[2015-10-30 05:25:32] AudibleScience : cool man!
[2015-10-30 05:25:43] AudibleScience : I need sleep now... but well done man!
[2015-10-30 05:26:51] AudibleScience : I hope you're right though!
[2015-10-30 05:57:21] jerryd : what happened to the open interest volume traded number that used to show on the contract details?
[2015-10-30 06:13:59] MarketQ : http://www.tradingview.com/x/8Qme840k
[2015-10-30 06:15:58] wykop.pl : 32 contracts for 320.06
[2015-10-30 06:16:09] macios15 : wypok
[2015-10-30 06:16:35] macios15 : gdzie ty to sprawdzasz
[2015-10-30 06:16:41] wykop.pl : co?
[2015-10-30 06:17:29] macios15 : o co chodzi z tym co napisałe
[2015-10-30 06:17:58] wykop.pl : gosc wkleil wykres z tradingview z pikiem do 320
[2015-10-30 06:18:04] wykop.pl : brakowalo MM stad skok
[2015-10-30 06:18:38] wykop.pl : nie spisz dzisiaj? :P
[2015-10-30 06:20:45] macios15 : wlasnie przespałem od 2050 do teraz
[2015-10-30 06:44:48] Mido : ładnie leci
[2015-10-30 06:47:25] macios15 : Mido: 2500-2600 do jutra a pozniej albo dalej albo korekt
[2015-10-30 06:47:47] Mido : skąd pewność że dobije jutro 2.5k?
[2015-10-30 06:48:06] Mido : Jutro też może być korekta.
[2015-10-30 06:48:21] Mido : Chyba że wierzysz w barierę psychologiczną :P
[2015-10-30 06:48:58] macios15 : Mido: dopiero skośni mają tam pierwszy opór, generalnie przed zakończeniem tygodnia na zawrót nie ma co liczyć
[2015-10-30 06:54:11] donchard : when does xbt24 expire
[2015-10-30 06:54:20] HotDogs : 12:00 GMT
[2015-10-30 06:54:29] wykop.pl : 5hours
[2015-10-30 07:11:56] donchard : why am i seeing expiry in 1 hour
[2015-10-30 08:19:05] Scottv53 : hi @BitMEX_Sam what is the difference between cross and isolated margin?
[2015-10-30 08:20:49] BitMEX_Arthur : Hi
[2015-10-30 08:21:18] BitMEX_Arthur : Isolate margin allows you to use the maximum leverage and losses on that position will not affect your wider account balance
[2015-10-30 08:21:32] BitMEX_Arthur : Cross margin means that your entire account balance is used as margin for a position
[2015-10-30 08:21:52] BitMEX_Arthur : If you are long, the liquidation price will be higher using Isolate Margin vs. Cross Margin
[2015-10-30 08:22:04] BitMEX_Arthur : https://www.bitmex.com/app/whatsDifferent
[2015-10-30 08:24:54] Scottv53 : what would be the prudent setting to use without being continuously being liquitdated?
[2015-10-30 08:25:10] BitMEX_Arthur : Cross Margin
[2015-10-30 08:28:11] Scottv53 : thank you?
[2015-10-30 08:28:30] Scottv53 : BitMEX_Arthur: thank you.
[2015-10-30 08:28:33] BitMEX_Arthur : Np please ask any questions that you have
[2015-10-30 08:28:38] BitMEX_Arthur : we are here to help
[2015-10-30 08:43:28] Scottv53 : BitMEX_Arthur: with regards to basis trading, with XBT moving up , what would be strategy to employ?
[2015-10-30 08:44:02] BitMEX_Arthur : The long end XBTH16 and XBTZ15 look cheap, liquidity will get better on those after weekly settlement today
[2015-10-30 08:51:01] laisee : ... China prices are indicating something good (or bad) ... $20+ over non-CNY exchanges.
[2015-10-30 08:56:58] Scottv53 : @BitMEX_Arthur do we go long XBTZ15 or short how does the term structure looks like?
[2015-10-30 08:57:28] BitMEX_Arthur : the front end looks very expensive, so i would short XBT7D vs. long XBTZ15 or XBTH16
[2015-10-30 08:57:39] BitMEX_Arthur : each week when XBT7D expires re-enter your short
[2015-10-30 08:57:44] BitMEX_Arthur : and you will earn positive carry
[2015-10-30 08:58:04] BitMEX_Arthur : and if we stay above $300, i think the long end will rally as people buy longer term positions for Bitcoin
[2015-10-30 08:58:05] BitMEX_Arthur : appreciation
[2015-10-30 08:58:08] BitMEX_Arthur : in the future
[2015-10-30 09:03:50] gaoMex : laisee: In 2013 the same thing happened.
[2015-10-30 09:04:56] lockhedge : we hit 300 Euro on Kraken now
[2015-10-30 09:06:17] Mido : withhelf profit = loss?
[2015-10-30 09:06:40] BitMEX_Arthur : https://www.bitmex.com/app/dynamicProfitEqualisation
[2015-10-30 09:06:48] BitMEX_Arthur : Read that it will answer your question
[2015-10-30 09:06:51] Scottv53 : BitMEX_Arthur: how do you calculate the potential positive carry earning?
[2015-10-30 09:06:53] laisee : gaomex> 4Q '15 == 4Q '13. Then CNY exchanges == Gox?
[2015-10-30 09:07:40] BitMEX_Arthur : Scottv53: https://blog.bitmex.com/bitcoin-futures-basis-trading-lesson-1/
[2015-10-30 09:07:44] BitMEX_Arthur : there are three lessons
[2015-10-30 09:07:54] BitMEX_Arthur : read those and it will lay out the basics of basis trading
[2015-10-30 09:08:58] Scottv53 : BitMEX_Arthur: ok
[2015-10-30 09:12:32] TheRealJohnGalt : Is there a way to change leverage on your platform, or am I misunderstanding it?
[2015-10-30 09:13:06] BitMEX_Arthur : There is a way to add margin to a position where Isolate Margin is selected
[2015-10-30 09:13:07] BitMEX_Arthur : https://blog.bitmex.com/site_announcement/transferable-margin-on-isolated-positions/
[2015-10-30 09:13:17] BitMEX_Arthur : https://blog.bitmex.com/site_announcement/transferable-margin-on-isolated-positions/
[2015-10-30 09:13:18] TheRealJohnGalt : cool, ty
[2015-10-30 09:13:34] Mido : I read that and still don't undertand what is going to my money. Balance: 0.6709, available: 0.5613...
[2015-10-30 09:13:50] gaoMex : laisee: Nope. It's because of difficulty in arbitrage, AFAIK.
[2015-10-30 09:19:23] BitMEX_Arthur : If you have made profit on a DPE contract, you cannot withdrawal or re leverage until the daily or weekly settlement / rebalance
[2015-10-30 09:19:34] BitMEX_Arthur : today at 12:00 GMT, that profit will be made available to you
[2015-10-30 09:19:41] BitMEX_Arthur : after any profit adjustment is applied
[2015-10-30 09:20:27] Mido : why is that rebalance for?