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[2015-10-19 11:20:10] phoggersen : I think it's unreasonable to use the site as a Tor user when my session could be expiring multiple times per hour requiring re-login of credentials, especially with 2FA enabled.
[2015-10-19 11:21:08] BitMEX_Wally : With regard to 2) There is a box that pops up when you click Buy or Sell that says `Confirm Your Order`
[2015-10-19 11:21:37] phoggersen : Yes but I'd like that disabled, but still being able to just neuter the Controls if i dont intend to trade
[2015-10-19 11:22:10] phoggersen : It's a bit different, I hope you can see the nuance
[2015-10-19 11:22:44] phoggersen : And why it's a preferable alternative to be able to have instant buys but also temporarily disable the panel just as a different risk reduction method
[2015-10-19 11:23:21] BitMEX_Wally : Understood
[2015-10-19 11:23:39] BitMEX_Wally : If you're on the Basic Layout you can click on the Chart to hide the Order Control
[2015-10-19 11:24:31] BitMEX_Wally : 1) Expiring the session when an IP address changes is for security. I'll get Sam to see what we can do
[2015-10-19 11:24:45] phoggersen : I really like the advanced though :)
[2015-10-19 11:25:38] phoggersen : Yea it's good security, but allowing it to be customisable for cases especially with Tor is important for smooth use. I came here because my friend referred it as a Tor friendly service.
[2015-10-19 11:27:23] BitMEX_Wally : :)
[2015-10-19 11:27:25] phoggersen : I note that your top competitor does allow smooth Tor use, sessions don't get expired upon IP change.
[2015-10-19 11:28:05] phoggersen : Some friendly motivation for a small policy change
[2015-10-19 11:29:22] AudibleScience : I have a quick question
[2015-10-19 11:32:39] AudibleScience : As the XBT24H contracts settle daily on the .XBT30M index, if the Mark Price drops in the last 30 minutes... is it better to just let long contracts settle, rather than sell now at the current lower price?
[2015-10-19 11:34:29] AudibleScience : Or am I miss understanding the dynamics of XBT24H contract settling?
[2015-10-19 11:40:45] j8 : AudibleScience: i'd let it settle unless you think it'll drop that much in 20 mins. also keep in mind the last 30 mins is averaged
[2015-10-19 11:42:30] AudibleScience : thanks that's what I was thinking...
[2015-10-19 11:42:53] j8 : and also keep in mind you pay fees on settlement.
[2015-10-19 11:43:12] j8 : so technically you're better off being the maker at a slightly worse price than settlement
[2015-10-19 11:43:49] j8 : if you're trying to get every cent out of it in the last 5 mins
[2015-10-19 11:45:15] AudibleScience : oh, didn't realise there were fees on settlement...
[2015-10-19 11:46:07] j8 : yeah it's a bit odd, could lead to some interesting bot battles around settlement.
[2015-10-19 11:46:26] AudibleScience : for now purely theoretical, how does the same apply to a short scenario?
[2015-10-19 11:46:54] j8 : the same but upside down?
[2015-10-19 11:48:27] j8 : try to buy below the index as maker
[2015-10-19 11:50:01] AudibleScience : are the orders in the book used for settlement purposes too?
[2015-10-19 11:50:16] j8 : nope
[2015-10-19 11:51:04] AudibleScience : oh thats a shame... would have been convenient
[2015-10-19 11:51:21] AudibleScience : oh and err... mini moon
[2015-10-19 11:51:35] STRML : Morning traders
[2015-10-19 11:51:52] j8 : hey strml.
[2015-10-19 11:51:59] STRML : re: orders in the book, it's not possible to use them for settlement - you'd end up with positions that aren't flat, and all positions must be flat at settlement.
[2015-10-19 11:55:26] AudibleScience : I think I understand... aside from what you mean by flat?
[2015-10-19 11:56:24] STRML : As in, all positions must have a qty of 0
[2015-10-19 11:56:39] STRML : So if you started filling orders in the book, some people would end up long or short
[2015-10-19 11:57:14] STRML : Think of settlement as a forced buy/sell, where all positions go into one big pot and equalize each other at the mark price.
[2015-10-19 12:00:56] AudibleScience : thanks
[2015-10-19 12:01:19] j8 : some glitchy UI around settlement in the order controls
[2015-10-19 12:01:27] AudibleScience : is anyone else having a really laggy bitcoinwisdom or is there something going on with my PC?
[2015-10-19 12:01:58] STRML : j8: You see it close and reopen?
[2015-10-19 12:02:24] j8 : i saw it close and got a lot of overlapping text in the order controls box, so i refreshed and it was open
[2015-10-19 12:02:26] ayy lmao : i keep getting disconnects audible
[2015-10-19 12:03:22] phoggersen : i saw the same overlapping text, didn't refresh, and it reopened anyway
[2015-10-19 12:03:23] STRML : Ah okay I'll check that out, j8
[2015-10-19 12:03:33] STRML : Yeah no need to refresh. Just a styling error
[2015-10-19 12:03:54] j8 : i see. also got to watch my program divide by zero, exciting
[2015-10-19 12:04:39] phoggersen : Is there documentation on what weighting the TradeBlock index gives to the different exchanges?
[2015-10-19 12:05:22] j8 : nope its proprietary
[2015-10-19 12:05:31] phoggersen : eww
[2015-10-19 12:05:36] j8 : agreed
[2015-10-19 12:06:13] j8 : i can tell you what i've pieced together from their blog posts
[2015-10-19 12:07:42] STRML : See "Weighting Algorithm" halfway down https://tradeblock.com/blog/tradeblock-xbx-index-data-now-publicly-available
[2015-10-19 12:08:21] j8 : yeah that's the one
[2015-10-19 12:09:56] AudibleScience : Why do all the other exchanges also crash or somewhat crash when finex has one of its flash crash moments anyway, regardless of the weight given... the effect on the spot is there, I just don't really understand why?
[2015-10-19 12:10:08] phoggersen : So they could technically just secretly make the price not response to a move, perhaps because they have a large position on a site that uses its index as a reference.
[2015-10-19 12:10:34] phoggersen : since they say nothing specific about how the weighting is done
[2015-10-19 12:11:06] phoggersen : That link amounts to "we use vague statistical methods to calculate the index"
[2015-10-19 12:11:33] j8 : yeah, or systematically skew it to boost their 100x positions on `XBT24H`
[2015-10-19 12:14:13] phoggersen : An open source index would make it easy to verify the integrity of any moves in the event of oddities
[2015-10-19 12:14:22] phoggersen : What accountability is there with a proprietary model?
[2015-10-19 12:15:11] j8 : its true, not like there's any regulatory oversight
[2015-10-19 12:17:00] AudibleScience : unless I don't get something... can you not always see what it is, prior to placing a position and during the whole time you have a position open... and you can compare it with the other exchanges in real time... and you can see that it always seems pretty close to a fair average whenever I have a loo at it?
[2015-10-19 12:18:29] STRML : You can watch its price in relation to the underlying exchanges at https://tradeblock.com/markets/index/
[2015-10-19 12:18:33] j8 : you can't calculate it yourself, so 1) you have to take their word for it. maybe it triggered your liquidation.
[2015-10-19 12:19:03] j8 : 2) you have to accept their latency. can't get the index from anyone but them. they know it first
[2015-10-19 12:20:14] phoggersen : If it's a truly robust index, then releasing the algorithm shouldn't have any effect on making it easier to manipulate.
[2015-10-19 12:20:53] j8 : no, they're treating it as a trade secret though.
[2015-10-19 12:21:40] phoggersen : how does that make it easier to monetise? do we have to pay them to get access to tools or something?
[2015-10-19 12:21:52] j8 : yeah they sell subscriptions.
[2015-10-19 12:22:29] j8 : i'm not really sure what it involves. a websocket feed, historical data, analysis tools...
[2015-10-19 12:22:33] phoggersen : you have one? what does it give you? obviously not the algo
[2015-10-19 12:23:00] j8 : no i don't, worked out how to strip out the websocket from the public site though so there's that
[2015-10-19 12:23:17] AudibleScience : but although the method of calculating it may be proprietary and indeed maybe even dynamic at times... the result of it is openly on display all the time to compare...
[2015-10-19 12:23:19] phoggersen : do you have a github?
[2015-10-19 12:23:44] STRML : j8: Re: latency, that's not true, we publish it as soon as we get it and it affects the markPrice of our .XBT index
[2015-10-19 12:23:49] j8 : yeah i can post it for ya
[2015-10-19 12:24:02] j8 : you get it from them though
[2015-10-19 12:24:16] phoggersen : their updates on their site aren't realtime, they are periodic
[2015-10-19 12:25:52] phoggersen : Is what i think j8 was saying
[2015-10-19 12:27:40] AudibleScience : well I may be pretty newish, so you could argue I don't know what I'm on about... but it seems fair to me so far... and even though I've been liquidated...
[2015-10-19 12:28:11] phoggersen : I come from a place where nothing is really fair unless it's open and verifiable
[2015-10-19 12:28:15] j8 : re:latency what i mean is, in theory the fastest you can get the index is from tradeblock, and they're slow. you can't collect the exchange data and calculate it yourself faster
[2015-10-19 12:29:50] STRML : I agree that the proprietary nature of their weighting is less than ideal, but if you watch the charts it's easy to see how it generally behaves
[2015-10-19 12:30:02] STRML : I would argue that this is still quite a bit better than using a single exchange,
[2015-10-19 12:30:09] STRML : as that is easily manipulated.
[2015-10-19 12:30:26] phoggersen : Yes but that's a really low bar
[2015-10-19 12:30:34] STRML : And generally, any index that the exchange itself controls is a conflict of interest.
[2015-10-19 12:30:55] phoggersen : Not if you opensource it
[2015-10-19 12:31:37] STRML : I agree with your sentiment, really - "trust us" is not generally good enough when it comes to Bitcoin
[2015-10-19 12:32:07] STRML : We have access to the real-time weighting data and can publish it, but I'm not sure that would really help without the algorithm that generated those weights
[2015-10-19 12:35:02] phoggersen : Your top competitor publishes a lot more information about its index and other things
[2015-10-19 12:35:03] j8 : it's certainly better than one exchange, and has been pretty nice to trade. i just don't see how a proprietary index is in anyone's interest going forward, as the derivatives market becomes more important
[2015-10-19 12:35:15] phoggersen : Generally transparency is better than keeping things closed.
[2015-10-19 12:35:58] j8 : winkdex is proprietary also. why does anyone think this is a good idea?
[2015-10-19 12:37:35] AudibleScience : hey look at it from another perspective for a second... why not just make up your own algo that enables you to have the same kind of weighting control over various data feeds you give to it... so you can compare your own calculated fair basis with the one here... and over time confirm or destroy the notion it is being manipulated with your own logs... if you can and have time to do that kind of thing?
[2015-10-19 12:38:14] j8 : there's nothing to compare it to, no way to decide if it's 'right'
[2015-10-19 12:38:16] phoggersen : why not just use a huge simple mean of the top 10 exchanges? would be resilient to manipulation on select exchanges
[2015-10-19 12:38:48] j8 : then the low volume exchanges can be manipulated.
[2015-10-19 12:39:03] STRML : And volume can be faked as well, raising an exchange's share of the weighting
[2015-10-19 12:39:11] AudibleScience : what do you mean @j8
[2015-10-19 12:40:02] j8 : if a low volume exchange has the same weight as a high volume exchange, it's relatively easy to drive the index one way by moving the low volume exchange
[2015-10-19 12:40:07] laisee : way too obvious a scam, nobody invests time & money building exchange to risk it on faked data that can be easily verified.
[2015-10-19 12:40:09] AudibleScience : there would be your one, logged over time... and you could log this one over the same time frame and compare them. no?
[2015-10-19 12:40:49] phoggersen : well whatever, the point is a simple algo can be constructed that is fair. throw in some volume-weighting, be a little selective, but just open it up
[2015-10-19 12:41:48] j8 : mine would inevitably be different sometimes, could never perfectly reverse engineer it.
[2015-10-19 12:42:12] STRML : I agree that if any index wants to become "the Bitcoin spot price", it needs to be open, no matter how clever it is
[2015-10-19 12:43:20] j8 : a while back the bravenewcoin index was manipulated around 796 settlement
[2015-10-19 12:43:46] j8 : it used instantaneous volume weighting over like every exchange
[2015-10-19 12:44:25] j8 : so someone flash crashed an unknown 0-fee chinese exchange
[2015-10-19 12:44:36] STRML : Right - in a sense, a proprietary algo protects against manipulation (from outsiders), although I understand if that's little comfort
[2015-10-19 12:45:04] phoggersen : i would put FROM OUTSIDERS in caps bold asterisk
[2015-10-19 12:45:34] STRML : Yes, but if you really believed that we would manipulate our own exchange, would you trade here?
[2015-10-19 12:45:49] phoggersen : Yes
[2015-10-19 12:46:06] phoggersen : This is bitcoin
[2015-10-19 12:46:18] STRML : Ahaha that is true.
[2015-10-19 12:46:23] j8 : there are so many other opportunities for that besides the index.
[2015-10-19 12:47:04] STRML : The comfort you can derive from this, for now, is that TradeBlock's entire reputation is built upon the XBX index and its resilience to manipulation. If it came out they were manipulating it, they would be done.
[2015-10-19 12:47:12] phoggersen : The top futures exchange in bitcoin is a known manipulator. What made you think that mattered so much
[2015-10-19 12:47:13] STRML : And the same is true for us in a sense.
[2015-10-19 12:47:26] STRML : Yeah, it is surprising what users will put up with.
[2015-10-19 12:50:05] AudibleScience : but the point remains... human physiology is what I think is mostly what makes other exchanges follow down after the likes of finex when it crashes... And the effect of that is much greater than the proprietary method used to work out the fair basis here.
[2015-10-19 12:51:04] phoggersen : How about you make a bounty of 10btc for building a dynamic complex robust algo for an index
[2015-10-19 12:51:23] phoggersen : You specify the conditions, no obligation to pick any entr
[2015-10-19 12:51:46] phoggersen : entré
[2015-10-19 12:52:17] phoggersen : Let the community solve it
[2015-10-19 12:52:59] AudibleScience : I meant psychology* by the way.
[2015-10-19 12:53:02] j8 : i'd take a stab at it.
[2015-10-19 12:54:03] j8 : phoggersen: i use this websocket, wss://socket.tradeblock.com/2a848b2129
[2015-10-19 12:55:26] j8 : no subscription needed, a lot of exchange data comes out, filter by `ixbx-xbt-usd`
[2015-10-19 13:02:09] j8 : the index is just one part of the picture, a formula to set the fair basis would be next
[2015-10-19 13:02:31] j8 : (that relates to the previous convo)
[2015-10-19 13:02:50] phoggersen : I've only looked at XBT24H which has mark price equal to TradeBlock
[2015-10-19 13:03:04] phoggersen : They have a proprietary fair basis formula too?
[2015-10-19 13:04:54] phoggersen : Okay so above 24H the owners decide what the mark price is, interesting.
[2015-10-19 13:05:01] j8 : no, there's no formula. it's set manually by bitmex
[2015-10-19 13:05:09] phoggersen : Yea I see that now
[2015-10-19 13:08:17] j8 : yeah, its a bit arbitrary, and the adjustment will likely be too late when it really matters.
[2015-10-19 13:08:34] phoggersen : I'll stick to the daily
[2015-10-19 13:09:11] j8 : yeah that's where its at for liquidity anyway.
[2015-10-19 13:09:39] phoggersen : I'll take one layer of proprietary over two layers.
[2015-10-19 13:11:05] phoggersen : And I see that mark price is what liquidations and rebalance are done by
[2015-10-19 14:18:18] peasant-wizard : The new Close Limit tab, is that the preferred way to set a stop, rather than using the Stop Limit with a trigger?
[2015-10-19 14:19:36] j8 : i think it's just a limit order that fills in your open position for you
[2015-10-19 14:21:07] BitMEX_Sam : Exactly, it's simply an alternative to Close Market, not a way to set a stop
[2015-10-19 14:24:17] peasant-wizard : So it will close my entire position, whatever it may be, by the time that price hits? I've got 1400 contracts now, with 500 worth of buys down to low 250's, but if we hit 248 or so I'm out - I can set a close limit for 248 and that will be my stop?
[2015-10-19 14:24:53] peasant-wizard : BitMEX_Sam: When you say Close Market....
[2015-10-19 14:25:13] macios15 : some nice volume on huobi again
[2015-10-19 14:26:30] BitMEX_Sam : peasant-wizard: It's just a simpler limit order placement where the quantity is auto-filled for you
[2015-10-19 14:26:45] BitMEX_Sam : Think of it exactly like placing a limit order for the opposite quantity of your current position.
[2015-10-19 14:28:03] peasant-wizard : Yep, perfect, thank you. Very handy. I think you guys were mentioning it was a new feature last week so it's nice to check it out!
[2015-10-19 14:28:23] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, somebody asked for it, I figured it would only take an hour or so to write so I popped it in.
[2015-10-19 14:28:45] BitMEX_Sam : We have some more important updates coming soon - going to work on variable fixed margin today @cengel
[2015-10-19 14:30:47] peasant-wizard : I'm getting "Rejected: Executing at order price would put position into liquidation" again, refreshing isn't helping this time...
[2015-10-19 14:31:01] BitMEX_Sam : peasant-wizard: That is probably true
[2015-10-19 14:31:19] BitMEX_Sam : That's not at all necessarily a bug, depending on how leveraged you are and your current position, it will reject
[2015-10-19 14:31:55] macios15 : i watching some huobi chart and does anybody know how the fcuk they work? sb sells 500, 200 etc and price dont even drop 1cny, even order book is the same
[2015-10-19 14:32:20] BitMEX_Sam : Maybe they got their own volumizer
[2015-10-19 14:32:44] frullet : Huobi and ok coin either a) fake volume or b) they say they have HFT trade bots that cause it
[2015-10-19 14:33:08] BitMEX_Sam : Seems like a pattern of massive orders appearing in the book and immediately getting filled
[2015-10-19 14:33:09] frullet : Huobi fake bots only sell hundreds down nwver fake volume of hundreds buy up
[2015-10-19 14:33:34] macios15 : it looks like that, and sb put it on like 2h ago, it was off from 17 oct
[2015-10-19 14:33:40] macios15 : jep it always sell
[2015-10-19 14:33:58] frullet : Ok coin has massive orders appear and get filled in volumes of 3000 happens within 5 min and lots
[2015-10-19 14:34:42] BitMEX_Sam : I could understand that if they had a block trading program, but they don't
[2015-10-19 14:34:43] peasant-wizard : BitMEX_Sam: I just have my one open position, removed all orders for simplicity, can't submit a Stop Limit or order limit?
[2015-10-19 14:34:50] frullet : Ok coin also fakes there future trading volume buys and sells dont even appear on order book just instant fill in the gap of price
[2015-10-19 14:34:55] peasant-wizard : Small position, Margin not isolated
[2015-10-19 14:35:05] BitMEX_Sam : peasant-wizard: Depends on the size of your position and how far away the order is you're trying to place
[2015-10-19 14:35:35] peasant-wizard : Well its only 1500 contracts and the stop is above the Liq. price
[2015-10-19 14:35:47] BitMEX_Sam : Hmm. Let me take a look at it
[2015-10-19 14:36:51] BitMEX_Sam : peasant-wizard: Looks like you're submitting a sell limit way below market
[2015-10-19 14:37:01] BitMEX_Sam : Are you trying to close the position immediately?
[2015-10-19 14:37:12] peasant-wizard : Nope trying to set a stop and walk away!
[2015-10-19 14:37:38] peasant-wizard : Should 'Close Limit' say 'Close Market'?
[2015-10-19 14:37:41] BitMEX_Sam : No
[2015-10-19 14:37:47] macios15 : they got 35k volume like in 1 hour and most of it was sell, obvious volume fake bot, mt gox 2.0
[2015-10-19 14:37:51] BitMEX_Sam : Okay I think you're misinterpreting what a Close order is
[2015-10-19 14:37:55] BitMEX_Sam : A Close is not a stop
[2015-10-19 14:38:01] BitMEX_Sam : It is meant for immediate closure.
[2015-10-19 14:38:20] BitMEX_Sam : As in, don't use it, unless you want to close your position right now.
[2015-10-19 14:38:21] peasant-wizard : Whats the difference between close limit and close market?
[2015-10-19 14:38:38] BitMEX_Sam : A close limit lets you set a price that you want to close at - so let's say you don't want to hit the market right away, you want to put your close order somewhere in the spread
[2015-10-19 14:38:48] BitMEX_Sam : You can do that with Close Limit. Much like setting a price to close your position at, on OKC
[2015-10-19 14:38:59] BitMEX_Sam : A Close Market will just hit the market at whatever price is offered.
[2015-10-19 14:39:09] peasant-wizard : Dang that Close Limit sounds like a stop to me
[2015-10-19 14:39:31] peasant-wizard : I need to do some more reading I'm obviously turned around. I'll come back later!
[2015-10-19 14:40:14] BitMEX_Sam : Sure. Basically, don't use `Close *` unless you want to close now
[2015-10-19 14:40:17] BitMEX_Sam : Very different than a Stop.
[2015-10-19 14:40:39] j8 : good thing it didn't go through.
[2015-10-19 14:40:58] peasant-wizard : Meh I'm in profit, its a small position
[2015-10-19 14:41:04] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, in this case the circuit breaker was a good thing
[2015-10-19 14:41:33] peasant-wizard : So whats the easiest way for me to set a stop? I was using the stop limit last time but I'm getting that same liquidation error
[2015-10-19 14:42:00] macios15 : to me looks like sb was faking volume to looks like we got trought from that triangle
[2015-10-19 14:42:09] peasant-wizard : Stop price at 250 and Limit price at 249. Doesnt that put my order on the books at 250 and sell at 249? Thats a stop right?!
[2015-10-19 14:42:24] BitMEX_Sam : Let me check your liq price
[2015-10-19 14:42:30] peasant-wizard : One step forward two steps back for me :)
[2015-10-19 14:42:33] macios15 : are u retarded or what
[2015-10-19 14:42:49] BitMEX_Sam : macios15: Come on, be nice
[2015-10-19 14:42:59] j8 : finally a troll in the trollbox
[2015-10-19 14:43:12] peasant-wizard : It's alright! I am struggling
[2015-10-19 14:43:33] peasant-wizard : And spamming my struggles a bit. I will do some research. Thanks for the help!
[2015-10-19 14:43:47] j8 : sounds like you would already have been liquidated at that price.
[2015-10-19 14:44:12] peasant-wizard : Even though my liq price is lower than my stop limit
[2015-10-19 14:44:49] j8 : yeah that's not supposed to happen.
[2015-10-19 14:45:06] peasant-wizard : macios15: For the record, I question your intelligence also if your trying to decipher volume on Chinese exchanges...
[2015-10-19 14:45:23] phoggersen : is there a way to ignore users in the trollbox?
[2015-10-19 14:45:59] j8 : join the irc channel
[2015-10-19 14:47:11] phoggersen : I mean here where the trollbox cant be removed, cant I filter it?
[2015-10-19 14:47:36] BitMEX_Sam : phoggersen: No
[2015-10-19 14:47:48] BitMEX_Sam : In the future, maybe, if we expand trollbox features
[2015-10-19 14:47:59] BitMEX_Sam : But that's very low priority at the moment.
[2015-10-19 15:07:45] phoggersen : Are the only official staff those with BitMEX_ before their name?
[2015-10-19 15:07:55] BitMEX_Sam : phoggersen: Yes
[2015-10-19 15:08:28] phoggersen : There was someone who made it seem like they were staff earlier
[2015-10-19 15:09:17] BitMEX_Sam : Ah that was me on IRC- `STRML`
[2015-10-19 15:11:19] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Sam: are you still here?
[2015-10-19 15:11:25] BitMEX_Sam : yes
[2015-10-19 15:12:02] AudibleScience : just saw your email... everything is okay again now...
[2015-10-19 15:12:22] BitMEX_Sam : Good
[2015-10-19 15:13:21] AudibleScience : Yeah, it just bounced back into the wallet after a while... so I sent it again and the second time it went through no problem...
[2015-10-19 16:12:26] Yumi : if I have question/issue that would be pretty long to explain in chat should I better email it?
[2015-10-19 16:12:48] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, Yumi - we're around.
[2015-10-19 16:12:55] BitMEX_Sam : support@bitmex.com
[2015-10-19 16:30:33] phoggersen : If we have normal support questions but prefer to use PGP should the technical e-mail still be used?
[2015-10-19 16:32:21] BitMEX_Sam : phoggersen: The technical email is best if you require PGP, our ticket system handles PGP badly.
[2015-10-19 18:06:49] ssa3512 : you guys really discontinued US deposits?
[2015-10-19 18:15:37] TrevinHofmann : Yep
[2015-10-19 18:24:52] macios15 : drop the dump
[2015-10-19 18:28:19] laisee : could be beginning of the end of USD as a global reserve ccy ... ;-)
[2015-10-19 18:32:54] escalicha : If spread of 0,2 USD dont come again, i will left bitmex. I can trade like this.
[2015-10-19 19:13:45] aethlios : my suggestion is to offer 0.01% rebate (-0.01% fee) for maker fees and keep 0.05% for taker fees. This will make market making more attractive and reduce spread.
[2015-10-19 19:22:28] lockhedge : no, please don't introduce rebates/kickbacks for market makers (i'm a market maker) - spreads will be lower when volatility is lower again (on every exchange), currently between 0.2 and 0.3 USD on XBT24h
[2015-10-19 20:16:15] lockhedge : spread currently $0.17
[2015-10-20 02:03:37] Scottv53 : hello any body there?
[2015-10-20 02:03:45] ayy lmao : hello big boi
[2015-10-20 02:04:22] ayy lmao : ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[2015-10-20 02:06:49] Scottv53 : greetings Folks
[2015-10-20 02:07:24] BitMEX_Arthur : hi
[2015-10-20 02:08:53] Warm_Porridge_ : Greetings Folks
[2015-10-20 02:18:51] Scottv53 : Arthur, Im new to Bitmex, and today i completed my first basis trade.
[2015-10-20 02:22:13] Warm_Porridge : c
[2015-10-20 02:22:42] lockhedge : you can now be alpha tester of our BIX index (faster alternative to Tradeblock's XBX): https://robotfinance.org/api/bix_alpha/
[2015-10-20 02:23:10] lockhedge : would be great to get some feedback to hello@robotfinance.org
[2015-10-20 02:23:57] Scottv53 : what's the objective of your index?
[2015-10-20 02:24:37] lockhedge : or https://twitter.com/robotfinance we are using this as reference price for our mm bot on XBT24H that made 27.94% return within 3 weeks
[2015-10-20 02:26:42] lockhedge : Scottv53: objective: building a transparent "open source" index, other than the only partly transparent TradeBlock index. you will be able to rebuild or index (no extra latency or paying for a real-time feed)
[2015-10-20 02:28:57] Warm_Porridge : Sounds constructive project
[2015-10-20 02:29:16] Warm_Porridge : sounds like a constructive project
[2015-10-20 02:31:17] Scottv53 : lockhedge: tell me about the mm bot
[2015-10-20 02:32:08] Scottv53 : Warm_Porridge: sounds good
[2015-10-20 02:34:05] lockhedge : the experimental mm bot uses this data (+ a partly random level of being more conservative as insurance against reverse engineering) as <code>maximum bid</code> and <code>minimum ask</code>
[2015-10-20 02:38:44] lockhedge : goal of the <code>BIX</code> index project is getting expert/early adopter feedback for our market making and transparency related startup's MVP - we will open source a market maker at a later stage.
[2015-10-20 02:45:44] lockhedge : you'll get an output in json <code>{"ask":265.69,"bid":265.56,"mid":265.63,"ts":1445308923}</code> the <code>mid</code> price is based on orderbook data, not the <code>last</code> used by Tradeblock https://robotfinance.org/api/bix_alpha/ and https://api.tradeblock.com/markets/xbx/
[2015-10-20 02:47:20] Scottv53 : ok...
[2015-10-20 02:47:49] Scottv53 : and how do i help
[2015-10-20 02:49:39] niggeup : ssa3512 is the whale, tag him GrandHierophant
[2015-10-20 02:50:05] GrandHierophant : we run this chan now
[2015-10-20 02:52:02] BitMEX_Sam : Great work @lockhedge
[2015-10-20 02:52:49] lockhedge : Scottv53: write us some feedback if this works better for you than TradeBlock's index (here used as reference price <code>XBT spot</code>. (don't use it for real world trade decisions until it's open source)
[2015-10-20 02:53:15] lockhedge : BitMEX_Sam: thanks :)
[2015-10-20 02:53:56] lockhedge : maybe this at least helps to pressure TradeBlock to go open source as well ;)
[2015-10-20 02:55:13] Scottv53 : lockhedge: great will do
[2015-10-20 03:07:12] Scottv53 : w
[2015-10-20 03:27:13] ethexio : Grand..
[2015-10-20 03:30:01] n0k0 : i love you
[2015-10-20 03:58:49] uiop : n0k0: u cant hide from the chupacabra
[2015-10-20 04:55:42] n0k0 : everytime
[2015-10-20 07:53:12] tryfe_life : Hey i would like to buy bitcoins
[2015-10-20 08:47:46] Scottv53 : stiil
[2015-10-20 08:53:39] Scottv53 : her
[2015-10-20 08:56:31] priceaction : anybody checked this one ? http://www.cac.gov.cn/2015-10/13/c_1116803995.htm
[2015-10-20 08:57:14] macios15 : yea, clear to me
[2015-10-20 08:58:38] macios15 : priceaction: what does it mean
[2015-10-20 09:00:30] gaoMex : priceaction: It's just a copy and paste from a Chinese daily.
[2015-10-20 09:01:57] macios15 : oh, great news for some great bull trap
[2015-10-20 09:04:44] macios15 : those guys, from finex long at bottom, started shorting so obvious to drop
[2015-10-20 09:07:44] macios15 : 8k protects 1780 at huobi lol
[2015-10-20 09:17:38] priceaction : gaoMex: confuses me why they publish this on a gov site at all
[2015-10-20 09:25:37] macios15 : consider who could gain some profit for staing price at that lvl
[2015-10-20 09:26:22] macios15 : priceaction: sound ridiculs but could be fbi
[2015-10-20 09:49:15] jung1 : china unbans btc
[2015-10-20 09:49:25] jung1 : sounds like pump
[2015-10-20 10:07:54] macios15 : some of admins here?
[2015-10-20 10:08:35] BitMEX_Arthur : macios15: How can I help
[2015-10-20 10:11:58] macios15 : just theoriticaly if i got balance at 1 btc, started some daily at 100, lost all, then opened another one daily at 100 and gain 100% and close at same day, does that realised PNL is playable again soo i can open 200 btc or i must wait for sattlement and only play with 100, rounding everything ofc
[2015-10-20 10:14:09] BitMEX_Arthur : You must wait for settlement to use your realised PNL
[2015-10-20 10:14:27] macios15 : i know that we must wait for profit but if we lose some and then recover
[2015-10-20 10:14:37] macios15 : at same day,
[2015-10-20 10:14:44] BitMEX_Arthur : Let me double check with Wally on that
[2015-10-20 10:15:06] BitMEX_Wally : macios15: If you have a realised loss and an unrealised profit then only the net amount is subject to DPE
[2015-10-20 10:15:25] BitMEX_Wally : However, the unrealisedProfit is withheld until then
[2015-10-20 10:15:37] macios15 : ok, ty
[2015-10-20 10:16:24] phoggersen : Shouldn't the profits be reusable, at least within the same contract?
[2015-10-20 10:17:21] BitMEX_Wally : We do not allow re-leveraging of profits, because if those profits were subject to DPE we would have to liquidate part of the position...
[2015-10-20 10:20:30] phoggersen : but the DPE doesn't apply until settlement, so the positions will all close anyway. hence why within-contract re-leveraging should be allowed
[2015-10-20 10:20:47] phoggersen : OKCoin allows this
[2015-10-20 10:21:05] phoggersen : woa
[2015-10-20 10:21:09] phoggersen : OKCoin
[2015-10-20 10:21:47] Matthew.v : https://twitter.com/JimDirect/status/620997382331854849
[2015-10-20 10:22:55] jung1 : +1
[2015-10-20 10:46:38] jung1 : if I want to make stop limit I have to have same amount of xbt to open opposite position?
[2015-10-20 10:48:08] BitMEX_Arthur : Do you have an open position in the equal and opposite direction?
[2015-10-20 14:05:07] peasant-wizard : Has there been any talk of making stops and orders editable - or is it a technical requirement that they be fully cancelled and resubmitted? For instance if I wanted to raise my stop as my position becomes more profitable
[2015-10-20 14:06:13] BitMEX_Sam : peasant-wizard: Modifying an order is technically possible, yes, we just have other things higher on the list right now.
[2015-10-20 14:06:49] peasant-wizard : Totally understand, just curious throwing it out there. thanks!
[2015-10-20 14:06:51] j8 : that would be really cool. save market makers about half their api calls too
[2015-10-20 14:16:30] Scottv53 : BitMEX_Sam: Hi , what trade positions or strategy can you deploy to trade .BVOL24H?
[2015-10-20 14:18:26] Warm_porridge : hi
[2015-10-20 14:18:52] jung1 : Scottv53: buy low sell high
[2015-10-20 14:19:39] Scottv53 : @jung1 using what contract ?
[2015-10-20 14:21:09] Scottv53 : i assume BVOL24H is an index
[2015-10-20 14:21:21] j8 : Scottv53: yeah, it used to be tradeable
[2015-10-20 14:22:12] j8 : now its just an index, useful for trading calendar spreads
[2015-10-20 14:22:35] jung1 : Scottv53: well it works for every contract
[2015-10-20 14:22:45] jung1 : if you trade long
[2015-10-20 14:23:53] j8 : longer dated `XBT` premiums should rise with volatility
[2015-10-20 14:25:34] Scottv53 : @j8 i would like to know how i can employ BVOL24H in my trading strategies...any literature you can advice to read/
[2015-10-20 14:28:28] BitMEX_Sam : j8: You can bulk cancel orders by sending an array of IDs, which eliminates nearly half the calls
[2015-10-20 14:29:13] j8 : oh i see
[2015-10-20 14:29:45] j8 : and you can cancel with filters too right.
[2015-10-20 14:33:01] BitMEX_Wally : j8: Yes, see `/api/v1/order/all` with a `filter` parameter
[2015-10-20 14:33:28] j8 : Scottv53: i've learned some things from arthur's blog posts, see the part about XBT Term Structure in this one for example: https://blog.bitmex.com/crypto-trader-digest-oct-19/
[2015-10-20 14:35:36] j8 : and note how `.BVOL24H` jumped up from 1 to well over 3 for two days
[2015-10-20 14:55:35] escalicha : 0,4 usd of spread.
[2015-10-20 14:55:46] escalicha : Looks like a joke
[2015-10-20 14:57:38] lockhedge : that's 1
[2015-10-20 14:57:56] lockhedge : that's less than 0.015%
[2015-10-20 14:59:19] lockhedge : on other venues you'll pay 0.2% taker fee and makers get a rebate, would you prefer ir this way? (volume weighted spreads can also be seen as implied volatility)
[2015-10-20 14:59:53] escalicha : No, its 0,15%.
[2015-10-20 15:00:09] lockhedge : sorry, you are right $0.4 is less than 0.15%
[2015-10-20 15:00:23] escalicha : With laverage of x100 is not good.
[2015-10-20 15:00:30] lockhedge : and 0.05% taker fees are still the same as 0.2%
[2015-10-20 15:00:57] lockhedge : (if there was 0 spread on your favorite platform)
[2015-10-20 15:01:30] lockhedge : wouldn't advise to trade with 100x leverage anyway
[2015-10-20 15:01:35] escalicha : This is another think. At the moment, we know that all our positions for default have a margin call if we use x100 leverage
[2015-10-20 15:01:51] escalicha : obviously i didnt use it
[2015-10-20 15:02:34] lockhedge : you are right, don't use too high leverage, go on more long term contracts, short term movements can be random sometimes...
[2015-10-20 15:03:08] escalicha : The current spread of okcoin is less than 0.2 usd with max laverage of x20
[2015-10-20 15:04:14] escalicha : And no one is speaking about its fee because you can place market or taker position without problem
[2015-10-20 15:04:24] escalicha : woorchipper is okey coin
[2015-10-20 15:04:46] lockhedge : wouldn't use okcoin, you'll get like 1 second latency from Europe and the US
[2015-10-20 15:05:12] lockhedge : and fucking is F*cking ;)
[2015-10-20 15:06:14] escalicha : maybe 1 second latency is better than 0,4 of spread
[2015-10-20 15:07:16] escalicha : I wont use okey coin anymore, for sure, but is not dificult that i left this place if spread is not improved soon
[2015-10-20 15:09:00] lockhedge : if you are a day trader latency matters a lot (especially in time of high volatility), spreads/fees and taxes matter always
[2015-10-20 15:10:16] lockhedge : trading on OKC is like watching live football(soccer) game on a buffered stream, you hear your neighbor celebrating before you see the goal.
[2015-10-20 15:12:11] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, I trade there occasionally and it's frustrating
[2015-10-20 15:13:48] lockhedge : <code>quantifying latency and other transaction costs</code> (depends on your strategy), good video lecture: https://twitter.com/RobotFinance/status/633023796140707840
[2015-10-20 15:17:05] jung1 : ok we hit 270
[2015-10-20 15:17:11] jung1 : up or down now?
[2015-10-20 15:17:40] BitMEX_Sam : 0.07 spread :)
[2015-10-20 15:18:34] BitMEX_Sam : It waxes and wanes - if you watch the spread on OKC is often goes between $1 and as tight as $0.20 or less
[2015-10-20 15:22:55] lockhedge : https://robotfinance.org/api/bix_alpha/ <code>BIX: 269.51</code> $0.11 above TradeBlock's XBX
[2015-10-20 15:24:12] jung1 : link doeas not work
[2015-10-20 15:24:21] HotDogs : Have you done any modelling to see how accurate your predicted index is vs. reality a few seconds later
[2015-10-20 15:29:03] HotDogs : 270 WILL NOT BE BREACHED
[2015-10-20 15:31:18] laisee : hold the line!
[2015-10-20 15:31:29] jung1 : long or short
[2015-10-20 15:31:31] jung1 : short or long
[2015-10-20 15:31:38] jung1 : that's the question
[2015-10-20 15:32:06] j8 : shlong
[2015-10-20 15:32:37] HotDogs : ManBearPig
[2015-10-20 15:32:49] jung1 : 1000 conctracts long and 1000 short from other account
[2015-10-20 15:33:58] lockhedge : HotDogs: that's not a prediction index, that's a weighted <code>mid</code> price based on the orderbooks (<code>best bid</code> and <code>best ask</code>of the most liquid exchanges.
[2015-10-20 15:36:00] lockhedge : BIX is still in alpha, don't use in real world scenarios, we will provide more documentation, a websocket API on different locations around the globe, and open source a beta BIX index soon as alternative to Tradeblock's XBX.
[2015-10-20 15:38:22] lockhedge : jung1: link does not work? https://robotfinance.org/api/bix_alpha/ (maybe a problem with Cloudflare's firewall/CDN we currently use for the alpha version)
[2015-10-20 15:40:11] lockhedge : jung1: ou'll just get a raw json as output with <code>mid</code> as BIX price. should look like this: <code>{"ask":269.49,"bid":269.3,"mid":269.4,"ts":1445355389}</code>
[2015-10-20 15:40:53] jung1 : ok now it works
[2015-10-20 15:41:04] Scottv53 : thanks
[2015-10-20 15:41:05] jung1 : maybe something on my side was wrong
[2015-10-20 15:51:14] phoggersen : lockhedge do you have websocket feed of that?
[2015-10-20 15:59:59] lockhedge : not yet, this is still a (semi-public) alpha, we are trying to get feedback, will publish a beta within 2 weeks
[2015-10-20 16:01:49] lockhedge : (our server is based in Frankfurt/Germany, more locations will be added, you are currently connected via Cloudflare's CDN with some extra latency)
[2015-10-20 16:03:08] BitMEX_Sam : We found cloudflare et al introduces a lot of latency
[2015-10-20 16:03:51] BitMEX_Sam : While it's definitely nice to have a hands-off solution I think when starting out there's a lot of value in just doing some local ddos protection and ratelimiting
[2015-10-20 16:06:14] lockhedge : agree, websocket/near real-time APIs and CDNs and not working together, we still have to make some security tests before opening up a direct connection without reverse proxy/firewall
[2015-10-20 16:10:09] BitMEX_Sam : Try HAProxy, there are some good anti-DDoS configs around, including the one StackOverflow uses
[2015-10-20 16:10:15] BitMEX_Sam : Nginx has some decent modules as well
[2015-10-20 16:29:31] aethlios : in the future an options market could be added!!
[2015-10-20 16:34:38] lockhedge : BitMEX_Sam: thanks, will try
[2015-10-20 16:39:02] jung1 : mm we can go up to 270 on 24h today ea
[2015-10-20 16:39:07] jung1 : easy
[2015-10-20 17:02:11] jung1 : or n
[2015-10-20 17:02:14] jung1 : :
[2015-10-20 17:02:20] jung1 : or not
[2015-10-20 17:10:35] phoggersen : Is there a way to show when my session ends not just when clicking
[2015-10-20 17:11:00] phoggersen : data showed fine and i clicked buy button and had to re enter my creds
[2015-10-20 17:11:39] phoggersen : would be better if it just logged out
[2015-10-20 17:12:09] BitMEX_Sam : phoggersen: It usually does log out automatically, we send a deauth message out of the websocket
[2015-10-20 17:12:27] BitMEX_Sam : I've seen the behavior you're describing before in certain edge cases, I'll take a look at it
[2015-10-20 17:12:44] phoggersen : Im in Tor browser
[2015-10-20 17:59:16] macios15 : i got that feeling its only bull trap
[2015-10-20 18:00:45] jung1 : wtf. Why my my contracts were filled?
[2015-10-20 18:01:07] jung1 : I had at 24h stop limits at 269.5
[2015-10-20 18:01:26] jung1 : and there is no that order in recen trades
[2015-10-20 18:04:20] nickhnt : I think that you will be stopped if the price reach that range
[2015-10-20 18:14:07] BitMEX_Sam : jung1: Stops are executed based on mark price, not last
[2015-10-20 18:14:13] BitMEX_Sam : Otherwise it would be possible to be liquidated before your stop executed
[2015-10-20 18:14:49] BitMEX_Sam : .XBT dipped down to 269.44 just 14 minutes ago
[2015-10-20 18:15:06] BitMEX_Sam : https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.XBT
[2015-10-20 18:34:21] kasman5 : nice breakout
[2015-10-20 18:34:46] kasman5 : right now
[2015-10-20 18:36:26] macios15 : china dont give fcuk lol
[2015-10-20 18:39:22] kasman5 : beautiful to see when your on the right side of it haha
[2015-10-20 19:07:04] sleger : why are short positions liquidatted in xbt24h when there is plenty of margin available ?
[2015-10-20 19:08:21] j8 : do you mean the maintenance margin?
[2015-10-20 19:08:46] justinlooking : do you mean why do they expire at 12:00utc?
[2015-10-20 19:11:47] sleger : no, liquidation although I have plenty of balance available
[2015-10-20 19:11:58] j8 : do you use Isolate Margin
[2015-10-20 19:12:02] sleger : is it because the isolate margin box is tupidly ticket by default ?
[2015-10-20 19:12:10] sleger : *ticked
[2015-10-20 19:12:14] j8 : it's not default for me
[2015-10-20 19:12:15] sleger : *stupidly
[2015-10-20 19:12:33] sleger : just placed the first orders and it is always ticked for me
[2015-10-20 19:13:04] j8 : thats interesting, its always been the opposite for me
[2015-10-20 19:13:24] sleger : ok, bitmex, any way to change the setting ?
[2015-10-20 19:13:53] BitMEX_Arthur : Is your isolate margin box ticked next to your position?
[2015-10-20 19:13:58] sleger : yes it is
[2015-10-20 19:14:06] sleger : but this is a weird default setting
[2015-10-20 19:14:07] BitMEX_Arthur : Then uncheck it
[2015-10-20 19:14:30] BitMEX_Arthur : We had many user requests to have it on by default
[2015-10-20 19:14:42] sleger : ok so count me on one request to have it off by default
[2015-10-20 19:14:55] BitMEX_Arthur : Your settings will be saved
[2015-10-20 19:15:14] sleger : all other exchanges do not have that. Oh ok, so if I uncheck it then it wont come back ?
[2015-10-20 19:15:51] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, it stays off, but per-position
[2015-10-20 19:16:07] sleger : ok, need to pay attention then....
[2015-10-20 19:16:10] BitMEX_Sam : We decided to make it a default to protect users' positions - on 100x you can end up in the red very quickly
[2015-10-20 19:16:14] BitMEX_Sam : Watch your liquidation price
[2015-10-20 19:16:34] BitMEX_Sam : Rather, to protect users' total account equity, is what I mean to say
[2015-10-20 19:16:38] sleger : i see the fees have changed and are now 0.05%, which is per trade, so about 0.1% per roundtrip
[2015-10-20 19:16:49] sleger : and similar for all contracts ?
[2015-10-20 19:17:08] BitMEX_Sam : Yep, 0.05% for all except XBU
[2015-10-20 19:17:40] sleger : The fact the fee is similar across contracts is because you are still financing the potential loss of customers, ie gains are guaranteed ?
[2015-10-20 19:18:04] BitMEX_Sam : It's different for XBU because it is guaranteed
[2015-10-20 19:18:19] BitMEX_Sam : Other contracts use DPE due to the more speculative nature: https://www.bitmex.com/app/dynamicProfitEqualisation
[2015-10-20 19:18:40] BitMEX_Sam : There has not been any adjustment for quite some time, however. https://www.bitmex.com/app/settlementHistory
[2015-10-20 19:19:42] sleger : shouldnt fees be lower for short term futures then ?
[2015-10-20 19:19:53] sleger : as more trading is required to maintain a position
[2015-10-20 19:22:27] BitMEX_Sam : That's how we started, and we lowered the fees of the longer-dated contracts to match
[2015-10-20 19:22:36] BitMEX_Sam : Essentially to simplify the terms
[2015-10-20 19:29:17] sleger : understood, thanks
[2015-10-20 19:46:13] jung1 : dont know where the price will go now
[2015-10-20 19:47:43] macios15 : look at china sell walls
[2015-10-20 19:47:46] macios15 : obvious bull trap
[2015-10-20 19:49:56] macios15 : jung1: we got that 2 top on stamp too
[2015-10-20 19:50:22] jung1 : no chance for break it?
[2015-10-20 19:51:45] macios15 : 4k at 1770 huobi i think that stamp and finex rise was made by arbitring to china
[2015-10-20 19:53:20] macios15 : thing to consider is that fair price could be made more by chinese, they rule bitcoin
[2015-10-20 19:56:16] jung1 : agree
[2015-10-20 19:57:45] jung1 : https://hypron.net/bitcoinwisdom/
[2015-10-20 20:00:33] jung1 : macios15: you play an 24h?
[2015-10-20 20:02:21] macios15 : jep
[2015-10-20 20:03:01] jung1 : I think its short time
[2015-10-20 20:03:19] jung1 : and slowly come back to 68-69
[2015-10-20 20:03:58] macios15 : fair price sucks, look at this 200 buy at finex push it 1$ up
[2015-10-20 20:04:03] macios15 : fair price made on chinese could be better
[2015-10-20 20:04:45] jung1 : owhich chart you use?
[2015-10-20 20:06:40] macios15 : wisdom
[2015-10-20 20:07:34] jung1 : macios15: check this https://hypron.net/bitcoinwisdom/
[2015-10-20 20:34:58] AudibleScience : wow that is so cool! thanks!! @jung1
[2015-10-20 20:35:40] jung1 : AudibleScience: yeah on https://hypron.net/ you can put what you want
[2015-10-20 20:35:45] jung1 : really usefull
[2015-10-20 20:36:15] kasman5 : Withheld profit is not released until settlement ?
[2015-10-20 20:37:31] jung1 : yes
[2015-10-20 20:38:28] macios15 : jung1: u was right
[2015-10-20 20:38:42] AudibleScience : when I get back... I found a few ways of hacking the local copy of the site to change it a bit... if you want...
[2015-10-20 20:39:12] jung1 : sure
[2015-10-20 20:39:39] jung1 : will be nice to make some forum with all usefull tools, prediction etc
[2015-10-20 20:39:55] jung1 : I think we will spend some time on this site
[2015-10-20 20:43:41] kasman5 : That sounds a good idea
[2015-10-20 20:44:16] jung1 : 1749 on huobi
[2015-10-20 20:44:24] jung1 : freefall
[2015-10-20 20:45:19] jung1 : or not
[2015-10-20 20:46:36] macios15 : jung1: i hope so, if we pass 1740 we head 1710
[2015-10-20 20:56:02] BitMEX_Sam : Nice one jung1
[2015-10-20 21:08:59] macios15 : double top stamp
[2015-10-20 21:12:09] kasman5 : Glad I took profit. Now waiti to buy in lower.
[2015-10-20 21:56:26] zanza : that last rally was not China at all
[2015-10-20 21:56:52] jung1 : yep
[2015-10-20 21:59:01] macios15 : i would say just to make that spread closer
[2015-10-20 22:04:14] jung1 : don't catch falling knife
[2015-10-20 22:14:58] AudibleScience : jung1: are you still here?
[2015-10-20 22:15:10] jung1 : yep
[2015-10-20 22:15:24] AudibleScience : Cool
[2015-10-20 22:15:59] AudibleScience : So I am guessing you know what css is right?
[2015-10-20 22:16:26] jung1 : http://www.tivix.com/uploads/original_images/css_is_awesome.png
[2015-10-20 22:17:10] AudibleScience : lol cool...
[2015-10-20 22:17:25] jung1 : why you ask?
[2015-10-20 22:18:25] AudibleScience : well I was getting pretty annoyed with a website that had a few styling issues, and they were starting to bug me!
[2015-10-20 22:20:55] AudibleScience : So after reporting the bugs several times to the site support guys, I decided to see if I could hack my own local copy of their site so that at least until they fixed it... I would not have a stupid 1px mismatch between one part of a currency selector drop down and the other part of it where you click to get the graph...
[2015-10-20 22:22:06] AudibleScience : So I set about trying to see how easy that would be...
[2015-10-20 22:23:24] jung1 : well I will not help you with that.
[2015-10-20 22:23:48] AudibleScience : Don't know if you have ever had a similar issue... or how you'd go about solving it?
[2015-10-20 22:24:10] AudibleScience : oh... didn't see that lol
[2015-10-20 22:25:13] AudibleScience : no, no... I worked out how to do it man...
[2015-10-20 22:25:40] jung1 : Im not so good with css
[2015-10-20 22:25:44] jung1 : know only basics
[2015-10-20 22:26:01] AudibleScience : no problem man...
[2015-10-20 22:26:22] jung1 : btw nice buy support on huobi