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[2015-10-20 22:26:31] jung1 : green dildo is in the air
[2015-10-20 22:27:38] AudibleScience : there are two ways... one is maybe a bit more complicated, but the other is so simple man... it's browser based!
[2015-10-20 22:27:49] AudibleScience : so no problem!
[2015-10-20 22:28:29] AudibleScience : I closed my baby short at 270.01 when I first got back...
[2015-10-20 22:28:54] AudibleScience : So anyway, what browser do you use man?
[2015-10-20 22:29:01] jung1 : ff
[2015-10-20 22:29:19] AudibleScience : Ah okay... hold on...
[2015-10-20 22:30:29] AudibleScience : I don't know if there is a similar thing for ff... I'm having a quick look...
[2015-10-20 22:31:02] AudibleScience : do you ever use chrome or chromodo?
[2015-10-20 22:31:29] jung1 : chrome yes but it eat so much ram
[2015-10-20 22:31:38] jung1 : never heard about chromodo
[2015-10-20 22:33:23] AudibleScience : it's comodo's version of it...
[2015-10-20 22:35:50] AudibleScience : here: https://www.comodo.com/products/free-products.php
[2015-10-20 22:36:13] AudibleScience : "Comodo Dragon"
[2015-10-20 22:37:19] AudibleScience : So I found something similar... but it is possibly a bit harder to use that the equivalent tool on chrome, and having not used it myself can't really comment on it...
[2015-10-20 22:37:53] AudibleScience : For styling: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/stylish/
[2015-10-20 22:39:00] AudibleScience : Do you have Dreamweaver by any chance?
[2015-10-20 22:39:13] jung1 : nope
[2015-10-20 22:40:56] AudibleScience : no problem... it would have been cool if you did for the other more complicated version... but the plugins are so cool at doing what I want anyway there is really no need for it...
[2015-10-20 22:41:46] AudibleScience : where can I dump a quick screenshot for you man?
[2015-10-20 22:42:18] jung1 : upload on imgur or something
[2015-10-20 22:53:04] AudibleScience : Sorry man... I'm back
[2015-10-20 22:54:30] AudibleScience : Here have a look at what I did to my local version of bitcoinwisdom lol http://i.imgur.com/PrJFdR9.png?1
[2015-10-20 22:59:01] AudibleScience : Not sure why but it's not working on that cool page with 4 wisoms embedded into it yet... but I'll see what I can do when I've got a bit of spare time... and I'll give you my new version with no ads and as many links as it makes sense to remove so as to de-clutter it as much as possible. but what a great find anyway man! @jung1
[2015-10-20 22:59:39] jung1 : sounds great
[2015-10-20 22:59:42] jung1 : no problem man
[2015-10-20 22:59:55] jung1 : keep cool and trade with profit
[2015-10-20 23:00:37] jung1 : on https://www.huobi.com/ around 272
[2015-10-20 23:01:25] AudibleScience : That is some very sound advice bro! Cheers.
[2015-10-20 23:01:37] jung1 : see ya
[2015-10-20 23:01:50] AudibleScience : Oh and naturally back to you ;)
[2015-10-20 23:02:09] AudibleScience : see ya later man
[2015-10-21 00:17:41] FoCheezyBreezy : Aw. Looks like MM made his bot use smaller orders :P
[2015-10-21 01:36:48] jung1 : 275?
[2015-10-21 01:37:02] jung1 : or 270?
[2015-10-21 01:46:14] aethlios : no liquidity at all
[2015-10-21 01:49:29] jung1 : yep
[2015-10-21 02:58:21] zanza : that means he probably got burned
[2015-10-21 03:03:19] FoCheezyBreezy : MM bot back up to normal amounts. That's good.
[2015-10-21 06:08:11] phoggersen : ugh, again I got logged out when placing order because session was expired even though site was active
[2015-10-21 06:08:27] simonhorlick : I just had the same
[2015-10-21 06:08:54] phoggersen : seems like a lot more than edge case they claimed yesterday
[2015-10-21 06:09:12] phoggersen : just in time to miss selloff fuck
[2015-10-21 06:09:20] zanza : i never get logged off
[2015-10-21 06:09:27] zanza : except when i actually turn my computer off
[2015-10-21 06:16:17] phoggersen : nice spread on XBT24H though 0.02
[2015-10-21 07:17:12] macios15 : were do u watch chinese market cap?
[2015-10-21 08:04:44] FoCheezyBreezy : Phoggersen, that happens to me every day. Whenever i think some activity will start happening, i logout and log back in first so i can make sure my session is still active. It sucks that we have to do that. I hope it gets improved soon.
[2015-10-21 08:25:47] Scottv53 : morning folks
[2015-10-21 08:26:25] macios15 : if im taker twice at daily whats minimum sur plus price swing to go on 0
[2015-10-21 08:28:02] phoggersen : FoCheezyBreezy, yes its much more common than an edge case clearly
[2015-10-21 08:29:51] phoggersen : or if the deauth doesnt work then put a big red button or warning saying the session is dead
[2015-10-21 09:14:18] pgpenc : Heya, is mixed margin mode supported for futures contracts or just isolated margin mode for each position?
[2015-10-21 09:41:50] BitMEX_Arthur : pgpenc: I saw your support ticket and responded, let me know if you have further questions.
[2015-10-21 10:03:14] macios15 : china passed support
[2015-10-21 10:44:28] jung1 : yeah but was fun
[2015-10-21 11:46:07] macios15 : jung1: if we pass 1700 sub 1600 is coming i think
[2015-10-21 11:50:28] macios15 : what fee is payd on settlement
[2015-10-21 12:32:51] jung1 : we're going to 1720 on huobi
[2015-10-21 12:33:55] jung1 : gonna be red on exchanges
[2015-10-21 12:45:04] macios15 : jung1: u mean 1600
[2015-10-21 12:45:19] jung1 : yeah
[2015-10-21 12:45:26] macios15 : jung1: this looks like perfect bubble
[2015-10-21 12:46:03] jung1 : whales want to be prepared for 2016
[2015-10-21 12:53:34] macios15 : jung1: then 4h ema touch its done
[2015-10-21 12:58:30] jung1 : forum will be cool
[2015-10-21 12:59:00] jung1 : I made some for all futures traders to share tools, experiences etc http://xbt.lefora.com
[2015-10-21 12:59:05] jung1 : feel free to join
[2015-10-21 13:55:41] sleger : are the fees paid shown somewhere ? (I am talking about the total, not the theoretical per contract)
[2015-10-21 13:58:25] sleger : found it in account/trade history
[2015-10-21 14:13:38] peasant-wizard : Is there any plans in the works to allow sections to be minimized? I like to have Recent Trades Chart maximized in a second monitor so I can use the drawing tools, but then its disabled on the Dashboard and taking up a lot of space front and center
[2015-10-21 14:16:14] peasant-wizard : I realize that's asking a lot (I work front end) but figured I would share my thoughts
[2015-10-21 14:16:52] jung1 : yeah theres a lot o stuff to do
[2015-10-21 14:18:14] peasant-wizard : Considering how much more well thought out things are around here than other places... all in due time
[2015-10-21 14:37:14] jung1 : ok clear message from bitcoin market. we are going back to $1000
[2015-10-21 14:37:17] jung1 : someday
[2015-10-21 14:40:04] macios15 : jung1: we going for 300$ now
[2015-10-21 14:40:17] macios15 : jung1: those bulls are soo strong
[2015-10-21 14:40:38] jung1 : get used to it
[2015-10-21 14:40:48] jung1 : this is how wall street works
[2015-10-21 14:41:16] jung1 : all that gemini and bitlicense stuff makes it real
[2015-10-21 14:41:31] jung1 : next year will be really funny
[2015-10-21 14:42:18] macios15 : jung1: that price rise to 1708 was soo powerfull
[2015-10-21 14:45:04] jung1 : yeah a lot of money on the market
[2015-10-21 16:31:00] macios15 : sb noticed to that ema 4h lines are going to cros, that didnt happened like in month
[2015-10-21 16:34:07] AudibleScience : wow what is going on! Just got back...
[2015-10-21 16:34:48] AudibleScience : were are we going now? @macios15
[2015-10-21 16:35:55] macios15 : AudibleScience: if 4h ema cross i think down
[2015-10-21 16:37:43] AudibleScience : on where?
[2015-10-21 16:42:43] macios15 : AudibleScience: huobi ofc
[2015-10-21 16:43:25] macios15 : AudibleScience: it didint crossed since sep
[2015-10-21 16:46:28] kasman5 : I'm still bullish
[2015-10-21 16:49:09] macios15 : kasman5: jea if we dont pass 1600 its still bullish
[2015-10-21 16:51:51] macios15 : kasman5: we got time to do it to 26 october if we dont i bet we are going 286-340
[2015-10-21 17:04:38] BitMEX_Sam : phoggersen: We received your message, but there was no public key attached, so we cannot reply.
[2015-10-21 17:21:09] phoggersen : BitMEX_Sam, it is set on my account here I thought it not necessary
[2015-10-21 17:22:38] phoggersen : But I will send it anyway
[2015-10-21 17:24:45] BitMEX_Sam : Ah, those are separate systems - I can fetch it from there.
[2015-10-21 17:26:31] phoggersen : ok
[2015-10-21 17:58:26] phoggersen : BitMEX_Sam, I am disappointed by your response
[2015-10-21 18:01:41] phoggersen : Your policy is anyone who use Tor / VPN to .com is prohibited?
[2015-10-21 18:02:34] phoggersen : This >>obfuscate<<
[2015-10-21 18:18:07] SnackyCoins : if you are on tor why would you not use the hidden service and save yourself potential MITM attacks?
[2015-10-21 18:18:52] SnackyCoins : exit nodes are tor's biggest weakpoint
[2015-10-21 18:20:07] phoggersen : because BitMEX_Wally said their .onion has many issues so I use .com instead
[2015-10-21 18:20:27] SnackyCoins : ah
[2015-10-21 18:20:34] SnackyCoins : well that is a reason then, yes 8)
[2015-10-21 18:22:21] phoggersen : but now BitMEX_Sam say >>obscuate<< not allowed for .com too even? I wait clarification
[2015-10-21 18:22:58] phoggersen : exit node IP changes, which cause session end, which logs out only when clicking action.
[2015-10-21 18:35:20] phoggersen : i understand close hidden service but block all Tor??
[2015-10-21 18:39:36] shumushu@gmail.com : i am looking at XBT contracts,
[2015-10-21 18:47:30] jung1 : you are in good place
[2015-10-21 20:01:13] jung1 : $4 spread
[2015-10-21 20:03:59] wurstgelee : and gone
[2015-10-21 20:09:52] jung1 : have no Idea if we will go up or down
[2015-10-21 20:34:43] nickhnt : me neither
[2015-10-21 20:35:10] wurstgelee : same
[2015-10-21 20:35:28] nickhnt : we could consilidate a little here in 268
[2015-10-21 20:35:51] wurstgelee : ill simply wait and see what china does when it wakes up ;)
[2015-10-21 20:38:07] jung1 : I'm looking at huobi orderbook at It works more less
[2015-10-21 20:38:47] jung1 : what's time in china?
[2015-10-21 20:39:18] BitMEX_Sam : 3:39am
[2015-10-21 20:46:48] macios15 : do you ever consider that bitmex could be based on cny and chinese?
[2015-10-21 20:47:26] jung1 : and no fee
[2015-10-21 20:47:29] jung1 : ;)
[2015-10-21 20:49:25] BitMEX_Sam : macios15: We're working on translations, not just for Chinese, but for european countries as well
[2015-10-21 20:49:35] BitMEX_Sam : With it will come proper locale-specific number and date formatting, and so on
[2015-10-21 20:50:22] macios15 : i mean fair price, finex and stamp are more speculative,
[2015-10-21 20:50:23] jung1 : are you looking for translators?
[2015-10-21 20:50:28] macios15 : chinese price is more stable
[2015-10-21 20:50:35] jung1 : &btc
[2015-10-21 20:50:45] jung1 : &btc;
[2015-10-21 20:51:05] BitMEX_Sam : It does appear that the CNY price moves earlier than the USD price now
[2015-10-21 20:51:30] BitMEX_Sam : If there's demand for it, we could do CNY-based futures, but we would need translation first - and we wouldn't want to split liquidity if we can manage it
[2015-10-21 20:51:42] BitMEX_Sam : jung1: Not yet re: translators, but eventually
[2015-10-21 20:54:26] wurstgelee : yep, huobi and okcoin are leading, stamp follows
[2015-10-21 20:54:56] wurstgelee : lol, nice replacing of 0Kcoin btw ;)
[2015-10-21 20:59:09] BitMEX_Sam : wink wink, say no more
[2015-10-21 21:16:25] ethexio : BitMEX_Sam: how about a 25%/50%/100% button for quantity?
[2015-10-21 21:17:29] ethexio : If I wanted to use 50% of my holding with margin, hit 50%
[2015-10-21 21:18:51] ethexio : Or go all in with 100%
[2015-10-21 22:00:58] STRML_phone : Ethexio: Yep, that's next on our list after variable fixed margin
[2015-10-21 22:01:12] STRML_phone : Which is in the API but not exposed to the frontend yet
[2015-10-21 22:06:33] ctrader : In XBT does each contract represent 1 BTC?
[2015-10-21 22:13:08] wurstgelee : ctrader: Each contract is worth 0.00001 XBT per $1 price.
[2015-10-21 22:21:13] ethexio : STRML_phone: awesome! Thanks.
[2015-10-21 22:59:59] SnackyCoins : is a BBO checkbox coming with those % buttons? 8)
[2015-10-21 23:15:57] jung1 : china is waking up
[2015-10-21 23:16:33] macios15 : jung1: 4h ema is getin closer and closer
[2015-10-21 23:21:19] jung1 : what is your bet?
[2015-10-21 23:22:29] macios15 : jung1: gona cross it for sure and drop, even 1W stoch is getin overbought
[2015-10-21 23:22:47] jung1 : I think will be red on charts
[2015-10-21 23:23:14] macios15 : jung1: jep, i think like 1600-1680
[2015-10-21 23:23:16] macios15 : at first
[2015-10-21 23:28:03] jung1 : or another whale rush to 275
[2015-10-21 23:29:03] macios15 : jung1: noo, last time it was only usd rush to make that spread closer
[2015-10-21 23:30:27] macios15 : jung1: also huobi got some sell wals on 1780-1790
[2015-10-21 23:38:30] jung1 : I have to think about some trading bot
[2015-10-22 03:16:39] BitMEX_Arthur : XBUZ15 has a new market maker, please check it out if you are interested in hedging
[2015-10-22 03:16:44] BitMEX_Arthur : There is no DPE on XBU contracts
[2015-10-22 03:16:56] BitMEX_Arthur : This is the inverse style where each contract is worth $100 of Bitcoin at any price
[2015-10-22 03:22:38] AudibleScience : may I ask... why is there only x5 leverage on the XBUZ15 contracts?
[2015-10-22 03:58:23] TraderStefan : AudibleScience: Because BitMEX guarantees settlement on XBU and they don't want to take on too much risk
[2015-10-22 04:47:00] simonhorlick : Nice spreads on XBU
[2015-10-22 04:48:17] HotDogs : simonhorlick: We have a few new MM for that one, so we are going to resurrect it
[2015-10-22 06:53:30] phoggersen : .
[2015-10-22 06:53:43] BitMEX_Wally : phoggersen: Hello
[2015-10-22 06:53:55] phoggersen : Is there staff present? I no longer get logged out but just now I tried execute many orders, none hit
[2015-10-22 06:54:19] phoggersen : it present >>too many requests<<
[2015-10-22 06:54:51] BitMEX_Wally : We have rate limiting to prevent DDOS attacks
[2015-10-22 06:55:14] phoggersen : none of the orders processed
[2015-10-22 06:55:32] phoggersen : it required me to logout and relog even though session did not expire
[2015-10-22 06:55:37] BitMEX_Wally : Requests to our REST API are rate limited to 150 requests per 5 minutes
[2015-10-22 06:55:55] phoggersen : I am not doing this many!
[2015-10-22 06:56:06] phoggersen : only 4-5 attempts to click order button
[2015-10-22 06:56:16] BitMEX_Wally : Ok, let me check the logs for you
[2015-10-22 06:57:51] phoggersen : it works now, but before i logged out is where the problems was
[2015-10-22 06:58:00] phoggersen : were
[2015-10-22 06:59:53] BitMEX_Wally : Were you using Tor?
[2015-10-22 07:00:33] BitMEX_Wally : I saw your IP address hitting `GET /api/v1/orderBook?symbol=XBT24H` over 8 times every second
[2015-10-22 07:03:10] phoggersen : yes i am, but i stopped using the hidden service
[2015-10-22 07:03:18] phoggersen : I thought this was the problem before you said
[2015-10-22 07:04:17] BitMEX_Wally : Either your exit node is being silly, or your web browser
[2015-10-22 07:04:23] phoggersen : and its Tor Browser default settings
[2015-10-22 07:04:28] BitMEX_Wally : It should not be re-requesting the same API endpoint like that
[2015-10-22 07:05:17] phoggersen : i dont know the tech to see what it is
[2015-10-22 07:06:33] phoggersen : 8 times per second
[2015-10-22 07:07:08] phoggersen : there must be reason not just silly
[2015-10-22 07:09:12] phoggersen : this occurred on the .onion i thought that was the problem
[2015-10-22 07:10:24] BitMEX_Wally : I'll get BitMEX_Sam to have a look into it
[2015-10-22 07:10:46] BitMEX_Wally : If the WebSocket disconnects then the browser re-requests images from the server, but it shouldn't do it this often
[2015-10-22 07:11:03] phoggersen : He fixed the problem of logout
[2015-10-22 07:11:25] phoggersen : It could be IP change on exit node lead to no logout but websocket disconnects
[2015-10-22 07:11:54] phoggersen : because relog fixes
[2015-10-22 07:15:15] BitMEX_Wally : Seems like a different problem
[2015-10-22 07:15:18] BitMEX_Wally : We'll get to the bottom of it
[2015-10-22 07:17:48] phoggersen : Okay I hope so. It has not been so smooth since I arrive tbh
[2015-10-22 08:28:40] TraderStefan : I Love BitMEX
[2015-10-22 08:28:58] BitMEX_Arthur : Can you please tweet that with your affiliate link?
[2015-10-22 08:29:15] TraderStefan : sure
[2015-10-22 08:29:25] gaoMex : http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-22/eu-court-rules-that-bitcoin-exchange-is-tax-free
[2015-10-22 08:32:25] BitMEX_Wally : Nice
[2015-10-22 08:35:47] AudibleScience : very nice! @gaoMex
[2015-10-22 08:43:50] BitMEX_Arthur : Nice one TraderStefan
[2015-10-22 08:53:54] TraderStefan : np
[2015-10-22 09:09:22] jung1 : gaoMex: yeah its huge
[2015-10-22 09:10:54] jung1 : 300 will be much faster that I expected
[2015-10-22 09:17:52] zanza : bitcoin was always tax free in Europe
[2015-10-22 09:18:08] zanza : so its not good news, its just not bad news
[2015-10-22 09:18:49] TraderStefan : legal clarity is always good
[2015-10-22 09:21:11] aethlios : page shows me an error: 429 You are making too many requests. Please wait a while and try again.
[2015-10-22 09:24:58] BitMEX_Wally : aethlios: I think there might be a bug in the Recent Trades Chart. It looks like the charting library is [re]requesting repeatedly.
[2015-10-22 09:31:58] BitMEX_Wally : We're working on a fix
[2015-10-22 09:47:01] jung1 : zanza: Its huge because from now Bitcoin is same as Dollar or Euro
[2015-10-22 09:47:09] jung1 : its normal currency
[2015-10-22 09:47:17] jung1 : moon i comming
[2015-10-22 10:01:39] escalicha : Liquidity?
[2015-10-22 10:03:01] jung1 : keep calm and buy
[2015-10-22 10:03:14] justinlooking : did XBTH16 really just trade 275???
[2015-10-22 10:03:16] jung1 : &btc;
[2015-10-22 10:05:25] justinlooking : hmm the gui was mixing V15 tradse in with the H16... it's just done it again
[2015-10-22 10:05:35] escalicha : No liquidity...
[2015-10-22 10:07:35] escalicha : BitMEX_Wally: Liquidity?
[2015-10-22 10:09:14] jung1 : something is wrong
[2015-10-22 10:11:11] BitMEX_Wally : We released a new version of the frontend last night that has a few bugs
[2015-10-22 10:11:16] BitMEX_Wally : I'm rolling the change back
[2015-10-22 10:11:54] justinlooking : https://i.imgur.com/yIQNXGc.png
[2015-10-22 10:18:53] jung1 : orderbook looks strange
[2015-10-22 10:19:23] BitMEX_Wally : Yeah, updates over the WebSocket are not getting routed properly
[2015-10-22 10:19:47] BitMEX_Wally : Try refreshing the page
[2015-10-22 10:37:54] escalicha : nothing?
[2015-10-22 10:38:47] jung1 : :///
[2015-10-22 10:40:17] BitMEX_Wally : Please reload the site in your browser, and then let me know if you still see strange updates
[2015-10-22 10:41:37] jung1 : well if basicly no buy orders is strange so yes. Still something is wrong
[2015-10-22 10:42:01] BitMEX_Wally : Which contract?
[2015-10-22 10:42:24] BitMEX_Wally : Looks like the market makers are thin on `XBT24H`, but there's still size in `XBT7D`
[2015-10-22 10:43:59] escalicha : 24H
[2015-10-22 10:49:56] BitMEX_Wally : Looks better now
[2015-10-22 10:50:04] jung1 : yeahg
[2015-10-22 10:50:53] macios15 : would bounce from 1770 i think
[2015-10-22 10:51:47] jung1 : thanks that UE decision next days will be bullish
[2015-10-22 10:52:08] jung1 : http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?text&docid=170305&pageIndex=0&doclang=pl&mode=lst&dir&occ=first&part=1&cid=755724 decision
[2015-10-22 10:53:26] macios15 : i saw that, china dont give ...
[2015-10-22 10:54:22] jung1 : that green dildo from 42 to 55 was righ after that
[2015-10-22 10:56:36] macios15 : china need to pass 1775 first to go up
[2015-10-22 10:57:05] jung1 : eu can push them to that
[2015-10-22 11:00:54] macios15 : yes yes for sure, stamp with that 2weeks volume less then then china 1 day
[2015-10-22 11:08:05] jung1 : $2000/ &btc; at least before halvening
[2015-10-22 11:19:05] escalicha : loquidity missing again
[2015-10-22 11:23:04] jung1 : 1775 on huobi!
[2015-10-22 11:24:05] justinlooking : stops are for buses
[2015-10-22 11:24:43] jung1 : 1790
[2015-10-22 11:24:54] macios15 : next stop 286
[2015-10-22 11:25:10] jung1 : !286
[2015-10-22 11:25:15] jung1 : 1286
[2015-10-22 11:25:32] justinlooking : take em
[2015-10-22 11:26:21] jung1 : sell walls at 1800
[2015-10-22 11:27:25] macios15 : need to take 1780 correction
[2015-10-22 11:27:28] loke : BitMEX_Wally: Have the market makers on the Z15 contract thrown in the towel?
[2015-10-22 11:27:41] BitMEX_Wally : I'm sure they'll be back
[2015-10-22 11:28:01] loke : Too volatile?
[2015-10-22 11:29:04] macios15 : 5 dolars in 15 minutes lol
[2015-10-22 11:29:30] jung1 : BITCOIN IS DEAD
[2015-10-22 11:29:57] wurstgelee : weeeeeeeee
[2015-10-22 11:30:00] wurstgelee : :D
[2015-10-22 11:30:07] macios15 : we get back 220 in this year
[2015-10-22 11:30:14] macios15 : u will see
[2015-10-22 11:30:20] jung1 : hope so
[2015-10-22 11:30:23] jung1 : :)
[2015-10-22 11:41:24] justinlooking : Is BVOL still a thing
[2015-10-22 11:41:55] BitMEX_Wally : We still publish the `.BVOL` indices but there are no futures on it for now
[2015-10-22 11:41:58] BitMEX_Wally : Not enough demand
[2015-10-22 11:42:11] justinlooking : k ty wally
[2015-10-22 11:57:48] hashman : 24hr abbout to settle
[2015-10-22 11:59:21] SnackyCoins : when does XBUH16 come out? :)
[2015-10-22 11:59:33] SnackyCoins : or even january
[2015-10-22 12:00:56] SnackyCoins : Wow that was a really quick settle
[2015-10-22 12:01:40] SnackyCoins : OKC usually takes a few minutes
[2015-10-22 12:02:14] BitMEX_Wally : We settle as soon as we confirm the final `.XBT` print from TradeBlock
[2015-10-22 12:02:51] SnackyCoins : Yeah but you settled and had the new contract up in under a minute
[2015-10-22 12:02:53] BitMEX_Wally : Usually happens around 20 seconds past
[2015-10-22 12:03:02] BitMEX_Wally : :)
[2015-10-22 12:03:06] hashman : waiingon rebalance now
[2015-10-22 12:03:09] hashman : waiting
[2015-10-22 12:03:25] BitMEX_Wally : Rebalance only takes milliseconds
[2015-10-22 12:03:44] SnackyCoins : Also kudos for forcing me on cross margin (back before high leverage), it has made me a better trader imo
[2015-10-22 12:04:47] hashman : sorry, rebalance tomorrow i mean on the other contracts
[2015-10-22 12:05:44] SnackyCoins : i also noticed that on 24h i can get filled ordering at near mark price just as fast as i can on OKC futures -> that's amazing
[2015-10-22 12:06:22] SnackyCoins : feels like the traction has arrived at bitmex :)
[2015-10-22 12:07:52] BitMEX_Wally : SnackyCoins: We're shooting up the rankings
[2015-10-22 12:07:57] BitMEX_Wally : Please spread the word :)
[2015-10-22 12:08:57] SnackyCoins : 9 refs and counting ;)
[2015-10-22 12:10:21] macios15 : 24h look overpriced
[2015-10-22 12:10:50] SnackyCoins : wow $3 premium on 24h
[2015-10-22 12:10:52] SnackyCoins : woooooow
[2015-10-22 12:11:27] SnackyCoins : ah only $1 compare to tb :) still
[2015-10-22 12:11:56] lockhedge : the order matching engine seems to be really fast, and it scales.
[2015-10-22 12:12:06] SnackyCoins : imo we're about to print a good old fashioned bitcoin candle
[2015-10-22 12:12:41] macios15 : SnackyCoins: u mean read or green one
[2015-10-22 12:12:46] sleger : what print do you think is 3$ premium ?
[2015-10-22 12:12:57] SnackyCoins : one of those yeah mac ;)
[2015-10-22 12:16:54] lockhedge : Tradeblock's XBX price tends to be too low in such situations because it actually flattens price movements, you test my alternative real-time index BIX https://robotfinance.org/api/bix_alpha/
[2015-10-22 12:17:22] lockhedge : BIX: 277.45 / XBX: 277.22
[2015-10-22 12:18:45] lockhedge : <code>{"ask":277.57,"bid":277.39,"mid":277.48,"ts":1445516246}</code> this is based on best bid/ask orderbook data, the <code>mid</code> is used as price, Tradeblock uses last price
[2015-10-22 12:19:40] sleger : but if you make up the numbers like the 3$ premium, it doesnt help ?
[2015-10-22 12:20:13] lockhedge : still in alpha, will publish a beta in about 2 weeks, and open source so everybody can rebuild BIX without latency or costs feedback -> hello@robotfinance.org
[2015-10-22 12:20:29] BitMEX_Wally : I think he means that although `XBT24H` is $3 above `.XBT` it's only because `.XBT` has yet to catch up?
[2015-10-22 12:21:08] jung1 : lockhedge: what is this?
[2015-10-22 12:21:35] BitMEX_Wally : Using an average like TradeBlock that smooths out movements is good for marking positions as it slows down sudden liquidations
[2015-10-22 12:21:58] BitMEX_Wally : Whereas the BIX index is better for pricing a market making strategy :)
[2015-10-22 12:22:17] laisee : a kinder,gentler index ...
[2015-10-22 12:23:21] j8 : to be clear, XBX filters outliers but it is instantaneous, i.e. no time averaging
[2015-10-22 12:23:30] lockhedge : BitMEX_Wally: true. i think there is more than one reason for the premium, one is that most market makers go directional, only non-predictive mm bots stay non-directional and lose money during this jump period
[2015-10-22 12:25:05] BitMEX_Wally : For the longer dated XBT futures the gamma component becomes more significant
[2015-10-22 12:25:21] lockhedge : (i'm using a non-predictive mm, and lost about 10% equity today, still 17% return in 3 weeks)
[2015-10-22 12:25:46] lockhedge : BitMEX_Wally: right, only talking about XBT24H now
[2015-10-22 12:25:48] jung1 : lockhedge: you make your own?
[2015-10-22 12:25:59] SnackyCoins : was about to ask the same thing jung
[2015-10-22 12:27:19] lockhedge : jung1: i'm currently just testing / researching with a very small amount of money
[2015-10-22 12:27:43] jung1 : but you code it by yourself?
[2015-10-22 12:28:24] lockhedge : BIX https://robotfinance.org/api/bix_alpha/ is index that my market maker uses, it's an alternative to TradeBlock's XBX https://api.tradeblock.com/markets/xbx/
[2015-10-22 12:29:01] jung1 : market maker you mean trading bot?
[2015-10-22 12:29:47] lockhedge : BIX will be a purely open source project once in beta, my market maker will be partly open source
[2015-10-22 12:31:44] lockhedge : Market Making is a passive trading strategy that aims to earn the spreads - provide liquidity to markets - everyone can do it here, i started with Sam's open source python script https://github.com/BitMEX/market-maker
[2015-10-22 12:32:56] jung1 : ok thanks
[2015-10-22 12:33:33] j8 : lockhedge: you MM without a hedge / arb right? could make some good interest on high premium days like these if you had one
[2015-10-22 12:35:50] lockhedge : j8: true, today is a good day for arb and a bad day for non-predictive market making, still this is to most profitable (and completely automated) strategy for me over longer time periods.
[2015-10-22 12:37:54] j8 : yeah it definitely complicates things, and reduces the leverage you can use
[2015-10-22 12:38:38] lockhedge : after the jump is over and the direction of the market becomes unclear, i usually make most of the money (the so called 'post-jump period'), it's impossible to predict when this moment comes
[2015-10-22 12:39:46] j8 : premium is around 0.7% on `XBT24H`, do you make more than that daily unlevered?
[2015-10-22 12:41:51] lockhedge : today i'm losing 7% :), two days before i made about 10%, on a normal day it's about 0.5 to 1% return currently on XBT24H
[2015-10-22 12:42:18] j8 : that's with leverage though right.
[2015-10-22 12:43:18] lockhedge : yes, on average 2x leverage
[2015-10-22 12:45:59] lockhedge : my only 'hedge' is market structure (daily settlement) in combination with a liquidation price far away from spot
[2015-10-22 12:47:49] j8 : i think a pretty badass strategy would be an MM that quotes both sides but can hedge on spot when the premium gets excessive.
[2015-10-22 12:48:22] laisee : j8> which spot?
[2015-10-22 12:49:11] nickhnt : i have a question, if everyone is long, and the market is up, where the profits come from when the contract settles?
[2015-10-22 12:49:49] MystPhysX : DPE
[2015-10-22 12:49:54] MystPhysX : No one gets anything lol
[2015-10-22 12:50:04] j8 : doesn't really matter which as long as you are tracking the premium relative to the spot market you're on. you would want something with low fees that follows XBX pretty well.
[2015-10-22 12:50:09] nickhnt : oh shit, lol
[2015-10-22 12:50:24] j8 : nickhnt: it's not possible that everyone's long
[2015-10-22 12:50:49] laisee : 1 buy == 1 sell
[2015-10-22 12:51:03] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, the open interest on `XBT24H` is currently 91670 contracts.
[2015-10-22 12:51:05] laisee : in futtures
[2015-10-22 12:51:11] BitMEX_Wally : That means in total 91670 long and 91670 short positions
[2015-10-22 12:51:17] nickhnt : yeah so it comes from the ones whos losing right
[2015-10-22 12:51:24] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, it all sums to zero
[2015-10-22 12:51:32] lockhedge : i'm currently sold out at ask, my bid is at 276.10 (i'm short with an average entry price of 276.97) - i'm not making any trades now as long as other mm act like this, but don't really care as long as my bot makes money
[2015-10-22 12:51:41] nickhnt : ah ok, got it, thx guys :)
[2015-10-22 12:57:49] SnackyCoins : dpe kicks in when one side starts to get margin called and the index price keeps moving away from it & nobody picks up those liquidations
[2015-10-22 13:05:46] BitMEX_Wally : The DPE rate has been 0% for months
[2015-10-22 13:06:15] j8 : lockhedge: so your bot doesn't have an exit strategy if this continues up with a premium all day
[2015-10-22 13:08:57] SnackyCoins : there hasnt been volatility for months ;)
[2015-10-22 13:09:58] SnackyCoins : i'd like to see an insurance fund someday, I understand that takes a bit of capital though and things are still early in the game
[2015-10-22 13:10:48] j8 : SnackyCoins: there is sort of an implicit insurance system mentioned in the references where excess maintenance margin is collected, like at OKC
[2015-10-22 13:12:03] j8 : this really needs to be made transparent though. there should be an amount accumulating, but we don't know how much
[2015-10-22 13:15:03] lockhedge : j8: there is no exit strategy coded in my bot, i could adapt my strategy by hand, had to do it for XBUZ15, also hedged a position there b/c of the low volume
[2015-10-22 13:18:21] cengel : maybe rename it to the BitMEX party fund :)
[2015-10-22 13:18:39] lockhedge : j8: best strategy always is to dominate a market as market maker (being at the top of the orderbook more than 50% of the time), then you decide the premium/price
[2015-10-22 13:18:43] macios15 : why 24h is so high
[2015-10-22 13:19:40] cengel : ECJ VAT decision
[2015-10-22 13:19:43] j8 : a robot likes what he sees
[2015-10-22 13:19:55] j8 : or she
[2015-10-22 13:22:19] lockhedge : macios15: because the main market makers follows very probably more an arb strategy than pure market making (e.g. arb with Coinbase spot)
[2015-10-22 13:23:58] dorothy490 : how to see my order history? I got my order closed at the settlement but cant see the price
[2015-10-22 13:31:43] HotDogs : https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2015-10-22 13:33:26] j8 : protip: use the filter `{"execType":"Settlement"}` in the search box
[2015-10-22 13:33:50] dorothy490 : K thanks
[2015-10-22 13:42:22] j8 : meanwhile `XBTZ15` premium is tanking
[2015-10-22 13:44:45] cengel : yea i was going to short that, damn
[2015-10-22 13:47:57] cengel : every time the price moves up so fast it feels like it will never stop
[2015-10-22 13:51:18] j8 : it's true, especially with bitcoin's history of crazy volatility
[2015-10-22 13:52:03] j8 : this has been a pretty well behaved uptrend so far in comparison
[2015-10-22 14:39:05] macios15 : bears coming to action
[2015-10-22 14:39:09] macios15 : hopefully
[2015-10-22 14:39:18] jung1 : with that decision every european exchange is as good as gemini
[2015-10-22 14:40:31] jung1 : macios15: short time?
[2015-10-22 14:41:02] macios15 : i think so, bonus 1$
[2015-10-22 14:41:41] macios15 : but im constant bear
[2015-10-22 14:43:18] macios15 : i wonder when people realise this really is already over
[2015-10-22 14:43:47] jung1 : chart does not looks healthy
[2015-10-22 14:45:39] macios15 : probably we will se some dump in 4 days
[2015-10-22 14:45:52] j8 : china and btc-e didn't make new highs
[2015-10-22 14:47:44] j8 : neither did OKC futures
[2015-10-22 14:50:26] macios15 : first target 1760
[2015-10-22 14:55:44] jung1 : when I click 'close market" on which prise it will close my position?
[2015-10-22 14:56:02] j8 : its a market close. best bid or offer
[2015-10-22 14:56:43] jung1 : with price of Unrealised PNL (ROE%) ?
[2015-10-22 14:57:44] j8 : no that's based on the mark price, not what you can actually get at the moment based on the orderbook
[2015-10-22 14:58:18] cengel : actually a good idea would be if they add a column in position for unrealised pnl by BBO not by mark price
[2015-10-22 14:58:32] jung1 : yeah
[2015-10-22 14:58:44] j8 : yeah would be useful
[2015-10-22 14:59:52] cengel : everyone mention that to Sam and he'll get on board :) when its a good idea and simple he likes it
[2015-10-22 15:00:14] jung1 : his list is longer than orderbook now
[2015-10-22 15:00:54] cengel : thats why if its super simple but a good idea he likes it!
[2015-10-22 15:02:48] j8 : sounds simple except none of the margin UI depends on the traded price or orderbook at the moment
[2015-10-22 15:17:12] cengel : no im not talking about it being there, just an added positions column
[2015-10-22 15:20:02] cengel : and theres Last Price at least, which shuld be easily fetchable, even if BBO isnt
[2015-10-22 15:29:47] BitMEX_Wally : unrealisedPnl by BBO - meaning far touch price?
[2015-10-22 15:30:42] BitMEX_Wally : Would have to look at the order book depth and be a volume weighted price if you want it to be a prediction of the PNL you would get from closing out immediately
[2015-10-22 15:35:48] j8 : yeah might be overkill to calculate that for every orderbook update. maybe just mid price of best bid and ask
[2015-10-22 15:36:29] j8 : or, bid price if short ask price if long
[2015-10-22 15:36:42] j8 : i mean the other way around
[2015-10-22 15:37:54] BitMEX_Wally : Yeah, far touch
[2015-10-22 15:38:20] BitMEX_Wally : Our audit system would hate that, it expects PNLs to add up to 0
[2015-10-22 15:40:07] j8 : yeah, it seems most of the displayed values in the UI are straight from the database tables
[2015-10-22 15:40:45] BitMEX_Wally : We can add calculated fields to the UI
[2015-10-22 15:40:46] j8 : we were talking the other day about how maybe some more useful derived values could be displayed
[2015-10-22 15:41:04] BitMEX_Wally : Yeah, have a chat with Sam, he can add calculated fields to the UI quite easily
[2015-10-22 15:42:35] j8 : figures, just to streamline things towards the user experience. also wondering, in advanced margin details, why is there Unrealised PNL as well as Unrealised Profit
[2015-10-22 15:42:59] BitMEX_Wally : Ahh
[2015-10-22 15:43:15] BitMEX_Wally : marginBalance = walletBalance + unrealisedPnl
[2015-10-22 15:44:28] cengel : hell yea Wall yea just the calculated field far touch
[2015-10-22 15:44:31] BitMEX_Wally : excessMargin = marginBalance - (initMargin + maintMargin)
[2015-10-22 15:44:36] cengel : Wally
[2015-10-22 15:44:49] BitMEX_Wally : withdrableMargin = excessMargin - unrealisedProfit
[2015-10-22 15:44:55] cengel : just as an alternate way to view unrealised pnl
[2015-10-22 15:45:00] BitMEX_Wally : (where unrealisedProfit is just the profit from DPE enabled instruments)
[2015-10-22 15:45:10] cengel : sorry im responding to a bit higher above
[2015-10-22 15:46:57] BitMEX_Wally : Sorry, I meant unrealisedProfit is just the profit from non-DPE instruments
[2015-10-22 15:47:50] j8 : that's not right either because i have both equal and only DPE enabled positions
[2015-10-22 15:49:05] cengel : you mean withheld profit is nonDPE
[2015-10-22 15:49:18] cengel : i mean withheld profit is DPE
[2015-10-22 15:49:31] cengel : whoops, adding to the confusion sorry
[2015-10-22 15:49:37] j8 : withheld profit is also realised + unrealised on DPE only
[2015-10-22 15:51:04] BitMEX_Wally : j8 looking at the margin table your `unrealisedProfit` is 0
[2015-10-22 15:51:20] BitMEX_Wally : Meaning no position in `XBUZ15`
[2015-10-22 15:51:30] j8 : that's not what the UI shows
[2015-10-22 15:51:43] BitMEX_Wally : Sam might be doing some magic to make things line up
[2015-10-22 15:52:21] cengel : where did the lone XBU marketmaker go who quoted that tight spread yesterday
[2015-10-22 15:54:17] BitMEX_Wally : j8: Your availableMargin should be equal to your withdrawableMargin?
[2015-10-22 15:54:25] j8 : yes
[2015-10-22 15:54:53] BitMEX_Wally : So the difference between them is 0, but your Advanced Margin chart shows something else?
[2015-10-22 15:55:31] j8 : just that Unrealised Profit shows the same as Unrealised PNL, and it always has except when I did have `XBU` positions
[2015-10-22 15:56:55] j8 : and it's pretty confusing because they're called almost the same thing, and the hover text is pretty different
[2015-10-22 15:57:55] BitMEX_Wally : So the reason why they are separate is this
[2015-10-22 15:58:28] BitMEX_Wally : For DPE contracts the profit is added to your margin balance, but then taken out of your excess margin via maint margin (so it's not available for withdrawal)
[2015-10-22 15:58:58] BitMEX_Wally : For non-DPE contracts the profit is added to your margin balance, but then taken out your withdraw able margin (via unrealised profit)
[2015-10-22 15:59:16] BitMEX_Wally : The idea being that for non-DPE contracts you can re-leverage profit but not withdraw it
[2015-10-22 16:02:34] j8 : i see, i didn't think unrealised profit could be re-leveraged in either case
[2015-10-22 16:02:38] BitMEX_Wally : j8: Ok, I've found the problem in the Advanced Margin display code
[2015-10-22 16:03:12] BitMEX_Wally : For XBU contracts everything is done on portfolio margining (i.e. cross margining) by default
[2015-10-22 16:04:57] j8 : does that mean if you manipulated the price on one contract you could briefly have insanely high margin
[2015-10-22 16:07:35] BitMEX_Wally : Well, there is a 20% limitUp/limitDown on XBU
[2015-10-22 16:09:04] BitMEX_Wally : I need to head off. Sam will be on later and you can ask about seeing your PNL marked to farTouch or lastPrice etc.
[2015-10-22 16:11:56] cengel : im more interested in just having the option of seeing it like that in addition to current, not sure what others were thinking
[2015-10-22 16:44:21] macios15 : stamp 273, daily 275,5 ftw
[2015-10-22 16:45:29] jung1 : you think 270 today?
[2015-10-22 16:46:05] jung1 : bid >ask on huobi
[2015-10-22 16:47:29] macios15 : yes that triangle break was mistake i think we head 240-220
[2015-10-22 17:11:43] justinlooking : such moon, all the wow
[2015-10-22 17:59:22] macios15 : justinlooking: it will be one if bears come to action
[2015-10-22 18:41:25] ethexio : This is going to be good.
[2015-10-22 20:21:55] Yumi : premium on daily is so high its impossible to buy with isolate margin
[2015-10-22 20:23:06] zanza : you mean the spread?
[2015-10-22 20:23:17] zanza : looks to be about 40 cents
[2015-10-22 20:23:42] Yumi : I mean ask was so above mark price you would get liquidated if you buy with isolate margin
[2015-10-22 20:24:05] zanza : got it
[2015-10-22 20:24:09] BitMEX_Sam : Premium is quite high today.
[2015-10-22 20:25:12] BitMEX_Sam : Should be pretty profitable to short.
[2015-10-22 20:27:31] Yumi : short daily and hedge with V15 to extract high premium on daily
[2015-10-22 20:28:20] macios15 : those huobi sell walls look strong
[2015-10-22 20:31:38] Yumi : the problem with going short one contract and long another is you get stuck with withheld profit for up to a week freezing your capital
[2015-10-22 20:35:01] SnackyCoins : yes but your risk is mitigated
[2015-10-22 20:36:49] SnackyCoins : otherwise only make the trade when however much you would make with that capital otherwise that week is smaller than taking the premium maybe? :)
[2015-10-22 20:37:44] zanza : How often is the fair basis rate adjusted?
[2015-10-22 20:40:40] macios15 : i wonder whos buying at this point, without corection
[2015-10-22 20:42:54] macios15 : clearly chinese do it with no brain
[2015-10-22 20:45:43] macios15 : i noticed sth intresting, 3d stoch rsi is FLAT at overbought just like when we got that may 2014 rise with fbi auction
[2015-10-22 20:48:54] macios15 : rally was over then that 3d candle turned red, bears are waiting for that i think
[2015-10-22 21:18:54] wurstgelee : where do you see a red 3d candle?
[2015-10-22 21:21:29] macios15 : may 2014
[2015-10-22 21:25:18] wurstgelee : ah lol, i thought you were talking about current chart
[2015-10-22 21:25:19] wurstgelee : =)
[2015-10-22 21:32:12] subframe : n00b question, why did the trading engine liq. my order
[2015-10-22 21:33:48] sleger : cause the price moved one % against you
[2015-10-22 21:33:58] sleger : that will teach you to be short :p
[2015-10-22 21:34:15] subframe : haha ok =)
[2015-10-22 21:35:51] wurstgelee : :D
[2015-10-22 21:38:47] subframe : Sleger, why one %
[2015-10-22 21:39:26] wurstgelee : 1% x100
[2015-10-22 21:40:00] wurstgelee : you were talking about XBT24H, right?
[2015-10-22 21:40:10] subframe : yes
[2015-10-22 21:40:34] wurstgelee : if it moves 1% against you with a leverage of 100x .....
[2015-10-22 21:40:39] wurstgelee : get it? ;)
[2015-10-22 21:41:09] jung1 : you are fucked
[2015-10-22 21:41:33] gustavo7 : wow XBUZ sell is stacked!
[2015-10-22 21:43:02] subframe : wurstgelee: yes thx
[2015-10-22 21:43:31] wurstgelee : np =)
[2015-10-22 21:51:30] jung1 : sellout on hupbi
[2015-10-22 22:03:38] jung1 : https://hypron.net/bitcoinwisdom/ add to bookmarks
[2015-10-22 22:05:47] sleger : subframe: untick the box in isolate margin and then it wont happen as long as you have enough total balance
[2015-10-22 22:05:58] subframe : ok
[2015-10-22 22:09:57] wurstgelee : thats something i wouldnt recommend if youre not paying attention all the time.
[2015-10-22 22:10:15] subframe : wurstgelee: ok
[2015-10-22 22:10:17] wurstgelee : subframe: you entire balance might be wiped out if you do that
[2015-10-22 22:10:27] wurstgelee : not only the fund you used for a position
[2015-10-22 22:10:41] subframe : I see
[2015-10-22 22:10:46] subframe : thx,