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[2015-10-17 10:06:41] macios15 : or if 1775 dont break we got nice triangle
[2015-10-17 10:17:48] jung1 : polska?
[2015-10-17 10:19:56] ethexio : Any way to see available contract given balance and available margin?
[2015-10-17 10:20:19] BitMEX_Arthur : You mean the maximum trading power in terms of contracts?
[2015-10-17 10:20:33] ethexio : If I wanted to go all in
[2015-10-17 10:20:37] ethexio : Yes
[2015-10-17 10:21:15] BitMEX_Arthur : ethexio: We don't currently display that, we will be making some design changes very soon, so that's good input
[2015-10-17 10:23:03] ethexio : That's 2 helpful suggestions from me in an hour. Hiring any developers?
[2015-10-17 10:23:10] ethexio : :)
[2015-10-17 10:23:42] BitMEX_Arthur : ethexio: We are looking for more staff, if you are interested send us your CV to support@bitmex.com
[2015-10-17 10:25:10] ethexio : BitMEX_Arthur: I will, actually. Need to sleep soon, but tomorrow. What stacks are you using ATM?
[2015-10-17 10:27:25] ethexio : I'll just send CV, we'll see if it's a good match. :) night !
[2015-10-17 11:11:31] kogroken : Yes, OCO orders would be nice to have.
[2015-10-17 11:49:45] nickhnt : if I have a short position open, then i start a long position with the same size, they cancel each other?
[2015-10-17 11:55:07] BitMEX_Arthur : Yes
[2015-10-17 11:55:23] nickhnt : thx
[2015-10-17 11:55:28] BitMEX_Arthur : https://www.bitmex.com/app/whatsDifferent
[2015-10-17 11:55:31] BitMEX_Arthur : take a look at this
[2015-10-17 11:55:48] BitMEX_Arthur : some common differences between how we operate and OKC or BFX if you are familiar with those platforms
[2015-10-17 11:58:40] nickhnt : I will take a look, thx!
[2015-10-17 12:03:29] cengel : should there still be withheld profit after settlement?
[2015-10-17 12:15:38] cengel : i send email
[2015-10-17 13:05:55] jung1 : WTF
[2015-10-17 13:07:54] jung1 : : O
[2015-10-17 13:08:01] nickhnt : ??
[2015-10-17 13:08:50] jung1 : someone bought xbt24 from 270 to 330
[2015-10-17 13:09:24] jung1 : sir, If you read it I would like to thank you
[2015-10-17 13:09:40] BitMEX_Sam : Sure about that?
[2015-10-17 13:10:12] jung1 : or it was glitch couse all my orderbook was around 330
[2015-10-17 13:10:50] nickhnt : are you sure?
[2015-10-17 13:11:08] BitMEX_Sam : jung1: You might have switched to XBTH16
[2015-10-17 13:11:57] jung1 : hm
[2015-10-17 13:12:00] jung1 : maybe
[2015-10-17 13:13:23] jung1 : ok my mistake
[2015-10-17 13:13:35] Ontita : Is a second shoulder incoming, or is this a hunchback?
[2015-10-17 13:14:33] jung1 : ask in chinese
[2015-10-17 13:15:32] jung1 : BitMEX_Sam: do you have any banners or press materials?
[2015-10-17 13:15:56] BitMEX_Arthur : jung1: What would you like to use them for?
[2015-10-17 13:16:22] Ontita : Rireko rinde ngocha rire? ... thats ekegusii.
[2015-10-17 13:16:33] macios15 : Ontita: i think soo
[2015-10-17 13:16:57] jung1 : BitMEX_Arthur: can you join bitmex irc?
[2015-10-17 13:16:59] macios15 : Ontita: we will see in one hour
[2015-10-17 13:17:39] BitMEX_Arthur : jung1: At the moment no, if you shoot us a mail at support@bitmex.com with more details we can help you
[2015-10-17 13:17:51] jung1 : ok
[2015-10-17 13:18:00] Ontita : Yeah, patience. Still have to master my charts
[2015-10-17 13:22:36] jung1 : BitMEX_Arthur: done
[2015-10-17 13:34:27] BitMEX_Sam : ilikepies69: Re: the chart drawings, we are seeing our drawings being saved between logouts, could you give me some more information?
[2015-10-17 14:20:52] joequant : also if anyone wants to work on a open source algo trading platform for bitmex - download algobroker from pypi
[2015-10-17 14:21:08] joequant : it's got some really simple bitmex strategies.
[2015-10-17 14:22:24] joequant : also in github under joequant/algobroker
[2015-10-17 17:35:30] FoCheezyBreezy : Chart seems to be really lagging behind the order book for me. Is it this way for anyone else?
[2015-10-17 17:37:16] nickhnt : yeah here too...
[2015-10-17 17:42:20] AudibleScience : Thanks for fixing the button Sam! @BitMEX_Sam
[2015-10-17 18:48:28] macios15 : 270% profit looks ridiculus lol
[2015-10-17 19:04:00] jung1 : how to make both buy and sell stop on one position?
[2015-10-17 19:27:12] escalicha : no liquidity
[2015-10-17 19:27:13] escalicha : :(
[2015-10-17 19:29:11] escalicha : liquidity returns! :D
[2015-10-17 19:38:47] BombaUcigasa : how come I can't find XBT24H on tradingview
[2015-10-17 20:38:30] AudibleScience : new lows again or new highs today again everyone?
[2015-10-17 21:07:49] AudibleScience : am I still alone in the trollbox?
[2015-10-17 21:18:13] macios15 : maybe bull trap now or head and shoulders
[2015-10-17 21:34:42] btc_0193 : wtf liquidity
[2015-10-17 21:35:13] btc_0193 : cant have 100% margin with 5% spreads LOL
[2015-10-17 21:35:17] btc_0193 : *100x
[2015-10-17 21:35:43] escalicha : Yes,,, today the liquidity is not good
[2015-10-17 21:35:56] btc_0193 : the bots keep going away and not coming back at times of volatility
[2015-10-17 21:36:20] btc_0193 : sigh
[2015-10-17 21:36:29] escalicha : loooll okcoin
[2015-10-17 21:37:17] macios15 : what with him
[2015-10-17 21:38:14] btc_0193 : okay, if i get fucking liquidated because theres ZERO liquidity im leaving this place
[2015-10-17 21:38:15] escalicha : the word what i said was banned
[2015-10-17 21:38:24] escalicha : okay coin pump
[2015-10-17 21:39:32] macios15 : escalicha: on usd or cny i dont see one jet
[2015-10-17 21:39:50] escalicha : usd futures
[2015-10-17 21:40:02] btc_0193 : god fuckinug damnit
[2015-10-17 21:40:15] btc_0193 : seriously it is a joke
[2015-10-17 21:40:39] btc_0193 : FIX YOUR MARKET MAKERS
[2015-10-17 21:41:22] macios15 : @escalicha i see it now nice short crash :D
[2015-10-17 21:42:18] btc_0193 : is there seriously one single market making bot for all the contracts? liquidity is gone from everything.
[2015-10-17 21:42:58] TraderStefan : It's dangerous to run market makers during volatility. They owe you nothing
[2015-10-17 21:43:13] Mangalica : they sort of disappear when something happens
[2015-10-17 21:43:40] btc_0193 : they'll owe a bunch of shit if there's social losses becuase people can't exit their positions and half the site gets margin called in to a stupid thin book
[2015-10-17 21:43:53] btc_0193 : and then everyone abandons this place
[2015-10-17 21:44:26] btc_0193 : whats hte point in trading if you can't exit your position? like.. at all? move 10k (which is only $100 on 100x margin) and you move the ticker 5% on the 24h. it's stupid.
[2015-10-17 21:45:09] btc_0193 : THANK LORD
[2015-10-17 21:45:14] Mangalica : aand it's back
[2015-10-17 21:45:17] btc_0193 : fucks sake
[2015-10-17 21:45:27] btc_0193 : F U I C K UR CENSORSHIP
[2015-10-17 21:45:52] escalicha : 0,7 spread ?
[2015-10-17 21:46:01] escalicha : it is not back
[2015-10-17 21:46:18] btc_0193 : spread != book depth
[2015-10-17 21:46:48] Mangalica : there was virtually nothing till 274 just a few moments ago
[2015-10-17 21:46:53] Mangalica : Finex 500 coin buy
[2015-10-17 21:47:13] btc_0193 : um
[2015-10-17 21:47:19] btc_0193 : lol fuck finex
[2015-10-17 21:47:39] escalicha : bot its back again
[2015-10-17 21:47:39] Mangalica : and the MM has bailed again
[2015-10-17 21:47:46] Mangalica : for a moment
[2015-10-17 21:47:59] kogroken : btc_0193: Isn't margin calling based on the averaged index though? So a thin orderbook here would not trigger a margin call, but it would result in much slippage if a margin call does occur as a result of the exchanges in the index moving enough.
[2015-10-17 21:47:59] macios15 : whats a MM
[2015-10-17 21:48:13] Mangalica : market maker
[2015-10-17 21:48:30] TraderStefan : so I blew out my account
[2015-10-17 21:48:41] TraderStefan : only 0.3 BTC
[2015-10-17 21:48:53] Mangalica : learning is fun
[2015-10-17 21:49:08] TraderStefan : yup
[2015-10-17 21:49:37] macios15 : go to that binary then
[2015-10-17 22:06:43] escalicha : 2 usd spread....
[2015-10-17 22:07:58] macios15 : obvious bull trap
[2015-10-17 22:08:05] escalicha : yes
[2015-10-17 22:08:15] macios15 : voulme is 0
[2015-10-17 22:08:33] escalicha : Bitcoin need 1 or 2 days of correction. We are on top now downtrend
[2015-10-17 22:09:39] macios15 : jep
[2015-10-17 22:09:58] macios15 : china pushed price becouse of finex, that was only arbitraging
[2015-10-17 22:10:03] macios15 : spread must get closer
[2015-10-17 22:11:00] escalicha : all markets dumping
[2015-10-17 22:11:38] macios15 : it wont even touch that 1810 imo
[2015-10-17 22:12:15] macios15 : bid looks thin
[2015-10-17 22:21:35] macios15 : sb put that bot on huobi off look at the volume guys
[2015-10-17 22:21:54] macios15 : like nothing
[2015-10-17 23:49:10] AudibleScience : are you still here @macios15
[2015-10-17 23:49:23] macios15 : AudibleScience: jep
[2015-10-17 23:49:47] AudibleScience : are you in the market right now?
[2015-10-17 23:50:14] macios15 : yes i think its a bull trap
[2015-10-17 23:51:42] AudibleScience : I'm still learning the terms and stuff man... does that mean you're long yeah?
[2015-10-17 23:51:58] macios15 : AudibleScience: daily look strange
[2015-10-17 23:52:06] macios15 : short
[2015-10-17 23:52:35] AudibleScience : Oh really, cool me too...
[2015-10-17 23:53:53] macios15 : AudibleScience: do u see that too that huobi volume is now like 5-10 times less then couple hours ago
[2015-10-17 23:56:08] AudibleScience : still looks pretty hefty though no?
[2015-10-17 23:57:28] AudibleScience : itn't it still like just under 100 coins every minute session?
[2015-10-17 23:57:29] macios15 : jep this week is over 2mln coins never was that big before
[2015-10-17 23:57:56] macios15 : but now like sb put that volume bot off
[2015-10-17 23:58:26] AudibleScience : volume bot!?
[2015-10-17 23:58:34] AudibleScience : really?
[2015-10-17 23:58:39] macios15 : i think so
[2015-10-17 23:59:16] macios15 : i think sb was unloading his stuff while uprising and now its going down, at least corection
[2015-10-17 23:59:24] AudibleScience : is that like Krapeles and the whole gox bubble?
[2015-10-18 00:00:07] macios15 : could be ok coin did that was some interview with insider
[2015-10-18 00:00:15] macios15 : like 4 months ago
[2015-10-18 00:01:38] AudibleScience : Really, wow! you don't have a link to it for me to look at by any chance do you?
[2015-10-18 00:02:46] macios15 : it was on reddit one of admins post it
[2015-10-18 00:02:55] macios15 : ask them
[2015-10-18 00:07:43] macios15 : AudibleScience: get slipery now, any little sell and its done
[2015-10-18 00:09:46] AudibleScience : how long have you been trading man?
[2015-10-18 00:10:47] macios15 : not long, but i watch charts like 4 years
[2015-10-18 00:11:42] AudibleScience : WOW so you've sort of been mentally trading for 4 years then in my opinion...
[2015-10-18 00:12:31] macios15 : i actualy predicted that aug 18 drop
[2015-10-18 00:13:43] AudibleScience : OH man!! If I had only known you then eh... I had a pretty savage loss in Aug...
[2015-10-18 00:14:03] AudibleScience : for me at the time anyway...
[2015-10-18 00:14:43] AudibleScience : by the end of Aug... I was almost back to 0!
[2015-10-18 00:15:11] AudibleScience : less than like 1 coin I think...
[2015-10-18 00:17:13] AudibleScience : Are you a miner too?
[2015-10-18 00:23:43] AudibleScience : They need to get their dump going so I can get out of the market and get some sleep!
[2015-10-18 00:24:46] macios15 : sounds like a plan
[2015-10-18 00:24:59] macios15 : i got that bachelor party today
[2015-10-18 00:26:08] AudibleScience : the movie or thing to go to?
[2015-10-18 00:26:42] macios15 : thing
[2015-10-18 00:27:02] macios15 : im not nativ sory if i write wrong
[2015-10-18 00:27:23] AudibleScience : NO MAN!!
[2015-10-18 00:27:55] AudibleScience : I did not even notice... so you're obviously doing much better than you think you are !)
[2015-10-18 00:28:38] macios15 : ty man
[2015-10-18 00:29:42] AudibleScience : Did you see the movie "Bachelor Party" though?
[2015-10-18 00:30:58] AudibleScience : I loved it man! I thought it was most hilarious...
[2015-10-18 00:31:51] macios15 : not jet, is it good tho?
[2015-10-18 00:31:57] macios15 : jea, right
[2015-10-18 00:32:27] macios15 : gona see it when charts going to be flat :D
[2015-10-18 00:33:36] AudibleScience : cool man... enjoy!
[2015-10-18 00:38:19] AudibleScience : while we wait for the market to come to us... do you mind if I ask you a theory question or two... as you've been doing studying charts for longer than me.
[2015-10-18 00:38:58] AudibleScience : doing technical chart analysis I mean...
[2015-10-18 00:39:03] macios15 : im listening
[2015-10-18 00:39:17] AudibleScience : cool tk
[2015-10-18 00:40:32] AudibleScience : So the fib retrenchment tool you can use on a graph... what is the real intention of it?
[2015-10-18 00:40:45] AudibleScience : oops...
[2015-10-18 00:40:57] AudibleScience : you know what I mean yeah?
[2015-10-18 00:41:45] AudibleScience : Fibonacci Retracements...
[2015-10-18 00:42:22] macios15 : jep, i dont really use it but some people do so i respect it in my trading
[2015-10-18 00:43:14] macios15 : and whats the intention i dont really now
[2015-10-18 00:43:52] AudibleScience : ah okay... well my thinking recently is somewhat changing...
[2015-10-18 00:44:19] macios15 : if we pass 1790 its over
[2015-10-18 00:45:04] AudibleScience : I used to think... before, that what has been before is not really an indication of what what will be in the future... just at all really!
[2015-10-18 00:46:13] AudibleScience : But now... I'm not so sure... here's why...
[2015-10-18 00:48:28] AudibleScience : If traders are getting this little drawing tool out of the toolbox and drawing Fibonacci Retracements... picking on average roughly the same spots... I'm starting to think that it could actually be kind of like a circular, self fulfilling prophecy...
[2015-10-18 00:49:49] macios15 : stamp fibo is at 273.41 if im right
[2015-10-18 00:50:03] AudibleScience : So they are actually starting to "aim" for specific Fibonacci Retracement lines... rather than generating their ideas at least partially on the real world...
[2015-10-18 00:50:15] macios15 : but finex is going straight for that 1w sar at 286
[2015-10-18 00:54:33] AudibleScience : uh oh huobi!
[2015-10-18 00:55:08] AudibleScience : Are you seeing this?
[2015-10-18 00:55:25] macios15 : what
[2015-10-18 00:55:46] macios15 : heading up again
[2015-10-18 00:56:14] macios15 : probably it wont stop until 1820
[2015-10-18 00:58:25] AudibleScience : really?
[2015-10-18 00:58:32] AudibleScience : oh no man!
[2015-10-18 01:01:36] AudibleScience : what's your target for exit tonight man?
[2015-10-18 01:02:30] macios15 : im playing ultra short time
[2015-10-18 01:02:33] macios15 : no idea
[2015-10-18 01:04:25] macios15 : but i think targets are 286 and 330-340 with corection
[2015-10-18 01:04:29] macios15 : or with no
[2015-10-18 01:05:10] macios15 : then 220 and start halvinh bubble from that lvl
[2015-10-18 01:07:37] AudibleScience : I meant what level are you looking to close out your short to get out of your trade today?
[2015-10-18 01:07:48] AudibleScience : Oh by the way...
[2015-10-18 01:08:15] macios15 : closed it like hour ago :D
[2015-10-18 01:08:20] AudibleScience : this trollbox is the first one I've ever really been on... so if there is some stuff people don't like to talk about in here... like exit targets, just let me know man...
[2015-10-18 01:08:24] macios15 : i wrote i play very very short time
[2015-10-18 01:09:50] AudibleScience : oh really up there, did you get out in profit then?
[2015-10-18 01:10:04] macios15 : i dont remember
[2015-10-18 01:13:49] AudibleScience : is that the kind of thing one should not ask in the trollbox? Or you really just can't remember? lol
[2015-10-18 01:17:41] loke : $7 spread on XBT7D..?
[2015-10-18 01:17:46] zanza : price target: $130
[2015-10-18 01:18:03] macios15 : i made 10 positions from that time really dont
[2015-10-18 01:20:30] AudibleScience : ah that's cool then...
[2015-10-18 01:23:36] AudibleScience : wow I see what you mean @loke
[2015-10-18 01:24:01] loke : Shitting my pants here.. Market makers rekt?
[2015-10-18 01:24:31] AudibleScience : lol
[2015-10-18 01:24:48] AudibleScience : Are you also short?
[2015-10-18 01:26:36] loke : No, hard long since early yesterday. But probably equally nervous about the present direction....
[2015-10-18 01:26:43] loke : Theeeere we go.
[2015-10-18 01:26:45] loke : ni
[2015-10-18 01:26:50] loke : *nice
[2015-10-18 01:27:40] macios15 : what if that lvl actuly its just shoulder
[2015-10-18 01:28:23] AudibleScience : what are you trading and where are you looking @loke
[2015-10-18 01:28:49] macios15 : its looks like we are going to make that head too
[2015-10-18 01:29:21] AudibleScience : where are you looking too @macios15
[2015-10-18 01:29:36] macios15 : wisdom or cryptowatch
[2015-10-18 01:29:43] loke : Mainly xbt (some eth), various contracts , was worried about the disappearance of market maker bot in XBT7D
[2015-10-18 01:29:55] loke : but its back now
[2015-10-18 01:30:03] loke : so I can lighten up a little
[2015-10-18 01:33:36] AudibleScience : market maker bot... what are you talking about man?
[2015-10-18 01:34:21] AudibleScience : is there a market maker bot here?
[2015-10-18 01:36:10] macios15 : jep look at orderbook it stacks nicly sell and buy walls
[2015-10-18 01:37:07] AudibleScience : I don't have very much experience , so just thought that was other traders...
[2015-10-18 01:38:02] macios15 : this site is more like binary i think
[2015-10-18 01:38:21] chrisxbt : binary?
[2015-10-18 01:38:40] macios15 : but you dont take fair price as start but order book
[2015-10-18 01:38:48] AudibleScience : does it not depend on the money management strategy you employ though? @macios15
[2015-10-18 01:39:24] macios15 : what u mean
[2015-10-18 01:40:12] AudibleScience : like if you have just a few coins in equity... and place big trades that take up a large proportion of your equity, then it can be...
[2015-10-18 01:40:57] macios15 : liq. is made by fair price
[2015-10-18 01:41:03] macios15 : not by order
[2015-10-18 01:41:31] AudibleScience : However... it you only ever place trades that take up at most 1% of your equity... then trading with 100x can be done relatively more safely?
[2015-10-18 01:42:10] macios15 : its isolated i think, i dont know jet everything just got here from ok coin
[2015-10-18 01:50:21] AudibleScience : I'm out now!
[2015-10-18 01:50:21] macios15 : that was scary
[2015-10-18 01:50:56] macios15 : it was like 40 btc only lol
[2015-10-18 01:51:25] AudibleScience : where man?
[2015-10-18 01:51:47] macios15 : stamp
[2015-10-18 01:52:06] AudibleScience : oh...
[2015-10-18 01:53:01] AudibleScience : Are you here most of the time? @macios15
[2015-10-18 01:53:15] macios15 : jep
[2015-10-18 01:53:25] AudibleScience : cool man!
[2015-10-18 01:53:59] AudibleScience : how old are you by the way man?
[2015-10-18 01:54:32] macios15 : 20
[2015-10-18 01:54:37] macios15 : going down now i think
[2015-10-18 01:54:54] macios15 : 266 on stamp protected by 60 coins
[2015-10-18 01:58:07] AudibleScience : I think you're right man... but I'm staying out until I have had some sleep now...
[2015-10-18 02:01:00] ayy lmao : ayyy lmao
[2015-10-18 02:03:58] AudibleScience : hey take care chaps, I'm off to bed now!
[2015-10-18 02:04:29] macios15 : nad the bull trap done
[2015-10-18 02:08:49] macios15 : see you at 1600 guys
[2015-10-18 02:11:25] FoCheezyBreezy : nice triple top on the hourly
[2015-10-18 02:16:26] macios15 : FoCheezyBreezy: at stamp nice bull trap
[2015-10-18 02:16:51] macios15 : FoCheezyBreezy: even nicer head nad shoulders and huobi
[2015-10-18 02:16:57] macios15 : on*
[2015-10-18 02:41:55] Matthew.v : #stampede
[2015-10-18 02:42:59] macios15 : what u mean by that
[2015-10-18 03:45:55] zanza : H&S pattern ?
[2015-10-18 03:46:18] zanza : trading on BitMEX has 0 effect on price right? its all "offchain"
[2015-10-18 03:50:17] j8 : sure it does
[2015-10-18 03:52:33] j8 : it creates arbitrage opportunities, if you drive up futures here i might sell it and drive up spot
[2015-10-18 03:53:49] j8 : and some people trading spot might gauge sentiment from futures
[2015-10-18 04:36:59] zanza : got it
[2015-10-18 04:37:04] zanza : never considered that
[2015-10-18 04:38:28] BitMEX_Wally : BitMEX has more volume than Bitstamp at the moment: http://exchangewar.info/#bitmex
[2015-10-18 04:38:39] BitMEX_Wally : So the futures will definitely be leading spot sometimes
[2015-10-18 04:49:41] j8 : ~29,000 btc, that around 20% of the daily BTC/USD volume across all markets according to coinmartketcap
[2015-10-18 04:54:10] cengel : was there ever any postmortem for the 1 hour downtime the other day? curious why the system stopped
[2015-10-18 05:13:49] zanza : Flibber fat finger
[2015-10-18 05:13:55] zanza : :)
[2015-10-18 05:27:49] cengel : what?
[2015-10-18 07:36:47] Matthew.v : congrads to bitmex
[2015-10-18 08:15:54] SnackyCoins : safely assuming volumes for exchanges 1-7 are fake/wash, that makes BitMEX the #2 bitcoin exchange
[2015-10-18 08:16:26] BitMEX_Arthur : SnackyCoins: Let's keep it up guys, hopefully the volatility returns for good
[2015-10-18 08:23:15] macios15 : how to check from witch contract i got my balance profit
[2015-10-18 08:23:41] BitMEX_Arthur : You should see Life To Date realised PNL on the Positions table
[2015-10-18 08:25:27] macios15 : jep but i got some profit and none of table shows that i only work on daily and 7h checked that
[2015-10-18 08:25:35] macios15 : hope its on daily
[2015-10-18 08:26:05] BitMEX_Arthur : If you go to your Wallet History, you will see a series of Cash Settlements that is your realised PNL being moved into your Wallet Balance
[2015-10-18 09:22:26] macios15 : hope to pass that 1780 and then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNPJuJSVmNA
[2015-10-18 09:36:20] macios15 : rip now guys gg imo
[2015-10-18 10:25:55] ayy lmao : ayy lmao
[2015-10-18 10:33:29] cengel : how are you Mr. lmao
[2015-10-18 11:03:04] escalicha : Why liquidity is gone?
[2015-10-18 11:03:21] BitMEX_Arthur : escalicha: On which contract?
[2015-10-18 11:03:39] Matthew.v : close to settlement = less trickery
[2015-10-18 11:04:09] escalicha : Daily
[2015-10-18 11:04:30] BitMEX_Arthur : Volatility is down as well, trading volumes down across all exchanges
[2015-10-18 11:04:48] escalicha : With 100x leverage, spread of 0,4 its not good in my opinion.
[2015-10-18 11:05:12] escalicha : Maybe flexibility leverage if volume is down
[2015-10-18 11:05:28] BitMEX_Arthur : You don't have to use the full 100x
[2015-10-18 11:05:40] BitMEX_Arthur : uncheck Isolate Margin
[2015-10-18 11:05:41] Matthew.v : ? do tell
[2015-10-18 11:05:58] BitMEX_Arthur : Then you entire account balance is used for margin
[2015-10-18 11:05:58] escalicha : Yes, but i cant separate my balances
[2015-10-18 11:06:07] Matthew.v : oh, i see. is there a way to add a specifc amount of margin without risking the who pot of clams?
[2015-10-18 11:06:21] escalicha : For money manage, provide a separated wallets i think its good to implement
[2015-10-18 11:07:08] Matthew.v : I agree, for example on okcoin every time I have a fair trade I drop move an amount out of my futures account back to spot just to sock it away.
[2015-10-18 11:07:13] BitMEX_Arthur : Right now the solution is to toggle Isolate Margin on and off, it will top up your margin allocated for that position, we are working on implementing flexible margin
[2015-10-18 11:07:29] Matthew.v : Fantastic.
[2015-10-18 11:08:05] cengel : maybe with all these new faces BVOL24H can make a comeback, Arthur?
[2015-10-18 11:08:33] Matthew.v : Btw is there a way to change my chat nick name?
[2015-10-18 11:08:46] BitMEX_Arthur : When we are routinely number on Bitcoin/ USD by volume then we will think about adding more product
[2015-10-18 11:08:49] BitMEX_Arthur : we want to simplify things rightnow
[2015-10-18 11:09:24] cengel : i understand
[2015-10-18 11:09:45] cengel : everything is going in the right direction at least
[2015-10-18 11:11:20] BitMEX_Arthur : Don't be shy to shill by using your affiliate link, the more people we have on here, the more interesting stuff we can offer
[2015-10-18 11:15:37] cengel : Of course. BTW sam said he was going to write a postmortem on the site downtime, said it was blockchain related iirc. Any update?
[2015-10-18 11:15:37] macios15 : charts are having some durchfall
[2015-10-18 11:16:20] BitMEX_Arthur : We are still working on it, we will put something out there when we have finished the investigation
[2015-10-18 11:17:01] cengel : thanks
[2015-10-18 12:21:16] macios15 : flip
[2015-10-18 13:48:14] macios15 : who shorted daily above 270, +1
[2015-10-18 13:50:39] macios15 : i did :)
[2015-10-18 14:01:09] macios15 : red dildo right in that
[2015-10-18 14:35:14] kasman5 : I did but then wiped most my profit out
[2015-10-18 14:54:32] ayy lmao : Lmao btc
[2015-10-18 14:54:50] dorothy490 : dammit
[2015-10-18 14:55:02] dorothy490 : how to setup close limit order if i wantto close ojly part of positionm?
[2015-10-18 14:55:25] BitMEX_Sam : dorothy490: A close limit / close market will always close the full position.
[2015-10-18 14:55:33] BitMEX_Sam : If you want to close part, just submit an order for part of your position size.
[2015-10-18 14:55:52] dorothy490 : basically, limit order?
[2015-10-18 14:55:55] BitMEX_Sam : Yep
[2015-10-18 14:55:59] dorothy490 : K
[2015-10-18 14:56:14] BitMEX_Sam : Orders offset each other, so if you buy 10000 and sell 5000 you'll have a position of +5000
[2015-10-18 14:56:24] BitMEX_Sam : Instead of (on other sites), one position of +10000 and one position of -5000.
[2015-10-18 14:57:16] dorothy490 : I wonder how it works then. For example if I open on market (for sell for example) I put price just below the spot and it executes
[2015-10-18 14:57:45] dorothy490 : why system will not open buy price on market in that case? (if I setup buy limit at like 255
[2015-10-18 15:00:02] dorothy490 : huh?
[2015-10-18 15:00:04] BitMEX_Sam : I'm sorry, I'm not quite sure what you mean
[2015-10-18 15:00:17] dorothy490 : say I have no position
[2015-10-18 15:00:22] dorothy490 : I want to open short by market
[2015-10-18 15:00:28] dorothy490 : the first bid is 265
[2015-10-18 15:00:38] dorothy490 : I pur sell limit price 265 1000 contracts
[2015-10-18 15:00:49] dorothy490 : system instantly sells it and I have open contract
[2015-10-18 15:01:18] dorothy490 : ah sorry my bad
[2015-10-18 15:01:31] dorothy490 : nevermind
[2015-10-18 15:01:34] BitMEX_Sam : Figured it out?
[2015-10-18 15:06:56] macios15 : nice sells
[2015-10-18 15:08:52] jung1 : how can I put BUY and SELL stops in same position?
[2015-10-18 15:14:14] BitMEX_Sam : jung1: Just place them on either side of the price.
[2015-10-18 15:14:31] BitMEX_Sam : Careful though, because if the price whipsaws both stops could be triggered.
[2015-10-18 15:26:19] macios15 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNPJuJSVmNA
[2015-10-18 15:45:06] AudibleScience : hi @macios15
[2015-10-18 15:45:28] AudibleScience : are you still here?
[2015-10-18 15:46:00] AudibleScience : That Status Quo song lol
[2015-10-18 16:04:02] dorothy490 : what exactly does "isolate maring" button?
[2015-10-18 16:04:15] dorothy490 : it increases liq price if unchecked
[2015-10-18 16:05:14] dorothy490 : but what it does I dont udnerstand how it can affect my liq price if final margin will remain the same regardless if it checked or not
[2015-10-18 16:05:36] j8 : it only uses minimum margin for the position
[2015-10-18 16:06:49] j8 : see the Margin column in positions
[2015-10-18 16:07:24] BitMEX_Arthur : dorothy490: https://www.bitmex.com/app/whatsDifferent
[2015-10-18 16:07:31] BitMEX_Arthur : Please read this there is a section on Isolate Margin
[2015-10-18 16:07:40] BitMEX_Arthur : and some other common questions about how things work here
[2015-10-18 16:50:57] kasman5 : Can anyone explain the rumored Chinese devaluation?
[2015-10-18 16:51:33] BitMEX_Arthur : https://blog.bitmex.com/the-most-important-chart-in-bitcoin/
[2015-10-18 16:54:37] kasman5 : Right, makes sense.
[2015-10-18 16:58:47] j8 : i took some damage selling the china premium couple days ago.
[2015-10-18 17:01:34] j8 : lost confidence that the arb will collapse, if it does devalue a couple percent then this is the new normal
[2015-10-18 17:03:30] BitMEX_Arthur : Spread since friday up about 1%, if it gets above 5% and keeps going
[2015-10-18 17:03:33] BitMEX_Arthur : then I'm onto something
[2015-10-18 17:15:10] AudibleScience : Hey @BitMEX_Arthur
[2015-10-18 17:16:19] AudibleScience : thanks for the insight but I have to admit I'm still pretty new and sometimes struggle to understand some of the terms...
[2015-10-18 17:17:50] AudibleScience : industry terms like the premium?
[2015-10-18 17:18:47] AudibleScience : Does that mean the spot exchange rate in china vs the spot in the rest of the world?
[2015-10-18 17:23:05] AudibleScience : Also when the PBOC does another round of QE or devaluation if they are not the same thing... what actually happens to the price of utilities in China?
[2015-10-18 17:23:35] AudibleScience : What I mean by that is what is the impact of this action on miners in China?
[2015-10-18 17:24:31] AudibleScience : And therefore potentially the rate at which they aim to liquidate their mined coins?
[2015-10-18 17:25:38] AudibleScience : Or is it actually the case that miners are not the biggest source of movement in the market today anyway?
[2015-10-18 17:26:50] j8 : i'm not sure how it would affect their energy costs, speculators are probably the biggest driver though.
[2015-10-18 17:41:59] dorothy490 : where to understand percentage of each exchange at your index price?
[2015-10-18 17:43:37] j8 : it uses the tradeblock XBX index, you can see the five exchanges here: https://tradeblock.com/markets/index
[2015-10-18 17:44:31] j8 : but the exact weights aren't public, although the bitmex guys previously said they would make it available
[2015-10-18 17:47:45] cengel : ive tooled around with different weights
[2015-10-18 17:48:25] j8 : i got as far as thinking about how to reverse engineer it. just thinking about it
[2015-10-18 17:48:48] kasman5 : Is that link the index bitmex use?
[2015-10-18 17:51:22] j8 : yes
[2015-10-18 17:53:27] j8 : it uses a proprietary formula to weight those five exchanges
[2015-10-18 17:53:40] eV : newb quest.. does the inverse contract (XBUZ15) move inversly to the mark price? like take a short to go long ...
[2015-10-18 17:55:18] j8 : no, don't do that
[2015-10-18 17:55:19] eV : reading contract specs now :)
[2015-10-18 17:56:01] eV : so its not actually an inverse contract in traditional terms
[2015-10-18 17:56:14] j8 : `XBU` series is most similar to ok coin futures. except it's not traded much at the moment
[2015-10-18 17:56:17] cengel : in traditional finance terms? yes
[2015-10-18 17:58:48] eV : k. thats what i thought. too scared to test it to edumucate meself. ty!
[2015-10-18 17:59:05] gustavo7 : come trade xbu with me
[2015-10-18 17:59:10] gustavo7 : buy 240 lol
[2015-10-18 17:59:59] cengel : theres a testnet where you can trade with fake btc
[2015-10-18 18:00:19] cengel : testnet.bitmex.com
[2015-10-18 18:03:17] eV : do i need to reregister to use testnet?
[2015-10-18 18:04:25] jung1 : is there any forum/yestopic
[2015-10-18 18:04:37] jung1 : BitMEX Testnet is isolated from BitMEX.com. If you have an account on BitMEX.com, you will still need to register on BitMEX Testnet.
[2015-10-18 18:04:56] eV : yes. big blue box on the landing page. lol
[2015-10-18 18:05:34] eV : read it after trying 4x
[2015-10-18 18:07:28] jung1 : but trading in fake money is completely different
[2015-10-18 18:07:58] jung1 : with real omney comes emotions
[2015-10-18 18:08:10] eV : good for testing if thats ur thing
[2015-10-18 18:08:50] jung1 : read "Fooled by randomness"
[2015-10-18 18:09:03] jung1 : by Nassima Taleb
[2015-10-18 18:41:32] jung1 : up?
[2015-10-18 18:56:52] Mangalica : broke up from consolidation but now stalling
[2015-10-18 18:57:18] Mangalica : no follow-through (yet?) due to china being asleep or something
[2015-10-18 19:13:08] VanCleef : well it is 3:13 am
[2015-10-18 19:13:33] VanCleef : i see hardly any usa volume happening
[2015-10-18 19:13:41] VanCleef : and its like middle of the day there
[2015-10-18 19:16:13] jung1 : 21 in europe
[2015-10-18 19:20:11] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, it's definitely calmer on Sunday
[2015-10-18 21:17:12] ayy lmao : are we not allowed to use profits as margin until the contract settles
[2015-10-18 21:17:21] ayy lmao : ?
[2015-10-18 21:38:59] STRML_phone : Yes, on all contracts except XBU, you have to wait until settlement or weekly rebalance to reinvest
[2015-10-18 21:49:11] FoCheezyBreezy : So basically we have to wait 1 day on the dailies, and 1 week on all other contracts except XBU
[2015-10-18 21:50:13] jung1 : what if you "close Market" ?
[2015-10-18 21:50:31] jung1 : you dont realize contracts?
[2015-10-18 21:53:53] STRML_phone : Yes, FoCheezy
[2015-10-18 21:54:22] STRML_phone : Jung1 - you've realized the profit but it can't be reused or withdrawn until expiry or rebalance
[2015-10-18 21:59:37] zanza : ayy lmao, I dont;' think so. You "available funds" should be always changing
[2015-10-18 21:59:45] zanza : even without settlement
[2015-10-18 22:01:41] j8 : that's changing if margin is being added or removed from positions... positive PNL on each contract doesn't add to your margin until rebalance, though negative PNL does subtract from it
[2015-10-18 22:03:21] j8 : so if you've already realized a loss, you'll have more available if you realize a gain and are still negative on that contract
[2015-10-18 22:09:49] ayy lmao : thanks
[2015-10-18 22:19:35] FoCheezyBreezy : If the only purpose of the mark price is for liquidations, shouldn't the Unrealized PNL be based on what we'd get if we closed our position instead? It seems like that would make more sense.
[2015-10-18 22:28:35] j8 : the unrealized PNL displayed only affects liquidations, and the point of marking it proportional to the index price is to protect you from being liquidated by wicks / manipulation on futures
[2015-10-18 22:29:18] j8 : so in theory the fair basis should be changed when the market has moved away from the mark price
[2015-10-18 22:29:39] FoCheezyBreezy : I understand that, but i'd also like to be able to see how much profit or loss i'd actually take by closing a position. That number would be much more useful 99% of the time.
[2015-10-18 22:30:15] j8 : true, more useful to the user to know what you're position is really worth
[2015-10-18 22:32:11] FoCheezyBreezy : I think they could easily add a column for the true PNL based on the order book if the position happened to be closed at that moment. I'd love to see a real time PNL like that.
[2015-10-18 22:34:01] j8 : yeah would be nice to see a rework of that UI to be more focused on what the user cares about @BitMEX_Sam
[2015-10-18 22:34:11] FoCheezyBreezy : There are times when i feel like closing a position if the market is moving slowly and I need to walk away, and i know for sure i'm about to take a small profit, but the PNL still show something like -0.09 XBT because the mark price hasn't caught up yet.
[2015-10-18 22:39:22] j8 : yeah and a lot of new traders are probably fooled by the supposedly free pnl
[2015-10-18 23:09:03] ayy lmao : is there a fee lists on the site?
[2015-10-18 23:13:50] j8 : https://www.bitmex.com/app/fees
[2015-10-19 01:32:46] zanza : are we going to 300, or 220 ?
[2015-10-19 01:43:24] eV : 300 ofc
[2015-10-19 03:27:22] limsta08 : can you explain to me why all the XBT contracts have different Fair prices? what is if formula for "fair basis"?
[2015-10-19 03:30:59] BitMEX_Arthur : https://www.bitmex.com/app/dynamicProfitEqualisation
[2015-10-19 03:31:06] BitMEX_Arthur : Please read the section on Fair Price Marking
[2015-10-19 03:35:47] gaoMex : BitMEX_Arthur: May I know your basis for CNY devaluation?
[2015-10-19 03:35:56] limsta08 : Thanks Arthur
[2015-10-19 03:36:37] BitMEX_Arthur : https://blog.bitmex.com/the-most-important-chart-in-bitcoin/
[2015-10-19 03:36:43] BitMEX_Arthur : Here is my argument for why
[2015-10-19 03:36:54] BitMEX_Arthur : Didn't happen today, but I think it is in the cards very shortly
[2015-10-19 03:39:28] limsta08 : What is current Fair basis? 20%?
[2015-10-19 03:39:44] BitMEX_Arthur : limsta08: On which contract?
[2015-10-19 03:40:00] BitMEX_Arthur : If you use the Advanced UI view, then go to the instrument table at the bottom and it lists all the rates
[2015-10-19 03:40:04] BitMEX_Arthur : for each contract
[2015-10-19 03:40:13] gaoMex : "Their first shock and awe campaign sliced 4% off the Yuan’s value vs. the USD." Care to speculate how much the devaluation will be this time?
[2015-10-19 03:40:30] BitMEX_Arthur : JPY is down like 30% in last 18 months
[2015-10-19 03:40:54] BitMEX_Arthur : China on a trade weighted basis needs further 10% just to equal their trade weighted exchange rate of only 12 months ago
[2015-10-19 03:41:54] gaoMex : Good insight.
[2015-10-19 03:45:24] gaoMex : For the specific date, might be useful to see when Xi comes back from UK. The Chinese cares very much on faces.
[2015-10-19 04:05:38] Matthew.v : when does withheld profit get released?
[2015-10-19 04:06:23] BitMEX_Arthur : Matthew.v: For XBT24H each day at 12:00 GMT
[2015-10-19 04:06:31] BitMEX_Arthur : for everything else each friday at 12:00 GMT
[2015-10-19 04:06:42] Matthew.v : right on! its stacking up
[2015-10-19 04:11:26] hashman : xbth24 shorters just got rekt
[2015-10-19 04:14:31] j8 : 270.69, must have been a liquidation
[2015-10-19 04:28:53] gaoMex : j8: I should have sold into that. :)
[2015-10-19 04:29:12] j8 : yeah i caught it for an instant $2 move
[2015-10-19 05:35:34] ayy lmao : dump it
[2015-10-19 05:36:42] FoCheezyBreezy : MM decided to disappear :P
[2015-10-19 05:39:23] Matthew.v : damn chopz
[2015-10-19 05:41:46] ethexio : dumpit.jpg
[2015-10-19 05:57:36] macios15 : next dump today guys straigt for that 1600
[2015-10-19 06:03:44] macios15 : only like 100k btc was dumped jest, thats nothing compare to what was bought
[2015-10-19 06:03:51] macios15 : jet*
[2015-10-19 06:17:17] ayy lmao : huehuehue
[2015-10-19 06:18:11] macios15 : ayy lmao: got that short?
[2015-10-19 06:18:33] macios15 : prepere for red dildo
[2015-10-19 06:24:14] macios15 : c'mone guys daily expiry in 6 hours need more than stupid 250%
[2015-10-19 06:28:24] ayy lmao : lets go
[2015-10-19 09:26:51] jung1 : macios15: hob big positions you play?
[2015-10-19 09:30:05] phoggersen : Im getting 429 errors. But im not making abnormal requests
[2015-10-19 09:30:42] BitMEX_Wally : phoggersen: Let me check
[2015-10-19 09:32:04] macios15 : jung1: small for now, but should be bigger in couple days, got that feeling now that shorters get squized soon
[2015-10-19 09:32:18] macios15 : jung1: if we get above 1740
[2015-10-19 09:33:13] jung1 : yeah but be careful with futures. You can lose as fast as you earn it
[2015-10-19 09:33:36] jung1 : stop loss is you friend
[2015-10-19 09:33:43] jung1 : *your
[2015-10-19 09:35:43] BitMEX_Wally : phoggersen: I see your IP address making about 5 API requests/second. So it was rate limited
[2015-10-19 09:38:10] BitMEX_Wally : I see your IP address was requesting `GET /api/v1/user/margin` every 4 seconds
[2015-10-19 09:38:27] phoggersen : im connected through hidden service not making those requests
[2015-10-19 09:38:54] BitMEX_Wally : Ahh, unfortunately this service is broken
[2015-10-19 09:39:16] BitMEX_Wally : It looks like it is effectively refreshing the page every 4 seconds
[2015-10-19 09:39:31] BitMEX_Wally : We have WebSockets that push data so there is no need to poll
[2015-10-19 09:39:41] phoggersen : is the service broken or any Tor connections at all also through .com?
[2015-10-19 09:41:48] BitMEX_Wally : Tor connections should be fine
[2015-10-19 09:42:58] phoggersen : Now Im Tor to .com, is there excessive requests still?
[2015-10-19 09:46:25] BitMEX_Wally : phoggersen: Can't see anything in the logs
[2015-10-19 09:47:12] phoggersen : okay then it is the .onion that is broken. thank you
[2015-10-19 11:18:13] phoggersen : I have a couple feature suggestions, should I mention them here or send them over e-mail?
[2015-10-19 11:19:20] phoggersen : 1) To allow those connecting with Tor to not have session die when exit node changes. 2) To put button in Order Controls title to disable panel as a risk reduction mechanism
[2015-10-19 11:19:22] BitMEX_Wally : phoggersen: Here is fine