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[2016-11-02 18:21:42] messiaen8844 : then they can add 10x
[2016-11-02 18:21:50] rapidtrades : 5x afaik?
[2016-11-02 18:22:12] rapidtrades : im talking about kraken yo
[2016-11-02 18:30:38] thomaskikansha : zec pump
[2016-11-02 18:31:02] rapidtrades : Fury 2 has been lauched
[2016-11-02 18:32:56] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Greg: is Sam around?
[2016-11-02 18:33:34] Sidwick : going back up to 3 or 4 within the hour
[2016-11-02 18:38:44] rapidtrades : needs to break 2 first :)
[2016-11-02 18:39:30] thomaskikansha : ~160BTC till 2
[2016-11-02 18:45:39] TwinnerD : Sidwick: if it would go to 3-4 here, 400 of 423 contracts would surely be liquidated
[2016-11-02 18:46:22] wurstgelee : lol polo....
[2016-11-02 18:46:30] rapidtrades : PAIN
[2016-11-02 18:46:39] rapidtrades : look it up shorts
[2016-11-02 18:46:40] thomaskikansha : the futures price would follow much even if spot go to 3 or 4
[2016-11-02 18:46:44] BitMEX_Greg : QuantFocus: whats up
[2016-11-02 18:46:51] thomaskikansha : wouldn't
[2016-11-02 18:46:54] wurstgelee : someone is serious about that pump ;)
[2016-11-02 18:47:00] imabeast : ruh roh
[2016-11-02 18:47:02] rapidtrades : thomaskikansha: it will now :)
[2016-11-02 18:47:06] imabeast : zec 2btc?
[2016-11-02 18:47:24] imabeast : i think it goes to 2.5
[2016-11-02 18:47:29] imabeast : lolol
[2016-11-02 18:47:36] NL007 : maybe 2
[2016-11-02 18:47:47] thomaskikansha : volume kicks in
[2016-11-02 18:47:56] wurstgelee : mission withdraw-from-suprnova initiated
[2016-11-02 18:48:00] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 18:48:04] rapidtrades : woooo
[2016-11-02 18:48:07] NL007 : lol
[2016-11-02 18:48:15] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Greg: i'm trying to set up my MM but getting an error after executing
[2016-11-02 18:48:37] wurstgelee : 1.6
[2016-11-02 18:48:40] rapidtrades : holy shit polo is srs
[2016-11-02 18:48:46] BitMEX_Greg : QuantFocus: Can you send us a support ticket? I'll have Sam check it out when he's free
[2016-11-02 18:48:49] wurstgelee : lol. didnt expect it but maybe
[2016-11-02 18:49:05] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Greg: ok, i can do that. thanks man
[2016-11-02 18:49:07] rapidtrades : Fury 2 underway
[2016-11-02 18:49:08] wurstgelee : 1.7 ...
[2016-11-02 18:49:10] wurstgelee : crazy fuckers
[2016-11-02 18:49:11] BitMEX_Greg : np
[2016-11-02 18:49:14] imabeast : that 180 btc buy wall
[2016-11-02 18:49:15] imabeast : ahhaa
[2016-11-02 18:49:19] wurstgelee : rofl
[2016-11-02 18:49:22] thomaskikansha : wtf
[2016-11-02 18:49:22] NL007 : zcash is dangerous
[2016-11-02 18:49:24] imabeast : nvm nto there any more
[2016-11-02 18:49:26] BitMEX_Greg : big green dildo
[2016-11-02 18:49:28] imabeast : hahah
[2016-11-02 18:49:32] rapidtrades : this is gone
[2016-11-02 18:49:38] NL007 : viagra and boom
[2016-11-02 18:49:41] rapidtrades : u have secs to buy
[2016-11-02 18:50:04] NL007 : 1.76
[2016-11-02 18:50:07] wurstgelee : crazy shit
[2016-11-02 18:50:25] rapidtrades : 1000 liqs incoming :)
[2016-11-02 18:50:36] rapidtrades : sry 100
[2016-11-02 18:50:56] NL007 : check buy support 1400btc
[2016-11-02 18:50:58] thomaskikansha : lol 400BTC wall at 1.3
[2016-11-02 18:51:38] rapidtrades : thats roger ver
[2016-11-02 18:52:07] wurstgelee : u are roger ver
[2016-11-02 18:52:14] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-11-02 18:54:11] QuantFocus : :knife:
[2016-11-02 18:55:39] NL007 : 1 big investor can buy up whole zec supply on polo
[2016-11-02 18:57:11] Rado : one big crazy investor
[2016-11-02 18:58:29] thomaskikansha : 200BTC at 1.3 400BTC at 1.27
[2016-11-02 18:58:54] thomaskikansha : shits getting real
[2016-11-02 18:59:11] messiaen8844 : lol, the P&Ds are real
[2016-11-02 18:59:13] NL007 : create shortage of zec price goes bezerk and he sells a few coins for 500-1000btc a coin and has his investment back
[2016-11-02 18:59:23] messiaen8844 : probably miners playing
[2016-11-02 18:59:30] messiaen8844 : to sell their coins with more profit
[2016-11-02 18:59:55] rapidtrades : shorts here need their heads examined
[2016-11-02 19:00:09] NL007 : 1.8btc
[2016-11-02 19:03:52] thomaskikansha : omg wicked to 2
[2016-11-02 19:03:56] rapidtrades : if u entered below 1 u have minutes to get out, or get liqed....just imo
[2016-11-02 19:04:37] thomaskikansha : ask sum down to 280ZEC
[2016-11-02 19:04:48] rapidtrades : nom nom nom
[2016-11-02 19:04:52] rapidtrades : polo is hungry
[2016-11-02 19:04:54] zecz : wow
[2016-11-02 19:05:05] numero : so if my counter party gets ADLed, do I get to keep profit up to that point?
[2016-11-02 19:05:36] rapidtrades : numero: you mean u get ADL and they get margined?
[2016-11-02 19:05:51] wurstgelee : rofl
[2016-11-02 19:05:52] numero : rapidtrades: that's exactly what I mean, what did you hear?
[2016-11-02 19:06:02] wurstgelee : seriously.....
[2016-11-02 19:06:02] rapidtrades : what u wrote
[2016-11-02 19:06:24] rapidtrades : u get to keep profit yes
[2016-11-02 19:06:32] numero : okay, thanks
[2016-11-02 19:06:53] rapidtrades : ADL basically closes u out at a profit, usually
[2016-11-02 19:07:18] NL007 : wow 2btc
[2016-11-02 19:07:41] rapidtrades : yeah it's been 2 for a while now...did u look away?
[2016-11-02 19:08:02] NL007 : rapidtrades: yes
[2016-11-02 19:10:25] rapidtrades : that was a 40% jump....we may need to chill out for a bit
[2016-11-02 19:12:28] rapidtrades : if 2 breaks we should go toward 3 - 3.5
[2016-11-02 19:13:12] NL007 : rapidtrades: its better to wait a few more days untill supply grows a bit
[2016-11-02 19:13:33] rapidtrades : better for who?
[2016-11-02 19:13:36] public username 321 : no liquidation so far
[2016-11-02 19:13:58] NL007 : now its easy for some groups to pump or dump hard
[2016-11-02 19:14:04] rapidtrades : public username 321: we're on the edge now....lowest shorts were around 0.4
[2016-11-02 19:14:33] rapidtrades : around 0.7-0.8 u will see some
[2016-11-02 19:14:34] NL007 : if you are on wrong side you get Liquidated fast
[2016-11-02 19:15:01] imabeast : yea .7 .8 is the spot
[2016-11-02 19:18:34] y1uy : wurstgelee: hey
[2016-11-02 19:18:50] wurstgelee : y1uy: yep?
[2016-11-02 19:18:52] y1uy : wurstgelee: still worth mining ZEC with nicehash SOl?
[2016-11-02 19:19:06] wurstgelee : y1uy: dont think so
[2016-11-02 19:20:05] y1uy : wurstgelee: ok
[2016-11-02 19:21:31] NL007 : zec diff. doubled in a few days
[2016-11-02 19:24:02] wurstgelee : can anyone recommend a place where i can bet on us election result with btc?
[2016-11-02 19:24:11] wurstgelee : preferably trustworthy
[2016-11-02 19:24:11] QuantFocus : augur
[2016-11-02 19:24:15] wurstgelee : löl
[2016-11-02 19:25:12] wurstgelee : hm, might as well do it indirectly and short stocks
[2016-11-02 19:25:15] wurstgelee : nvm
[2016-11-02 19:25:17] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 19:25:27] numero : I'm long gold going into the election
[2016-11-02 19:25:34] wurstgelee : same bet ;)
[2016-11-02 19:25:36] y1uy : yup
[2016-11-02 19:25:39] y1uy : long gold and btc
[2016-11-02 19:25:40] numero : nice
[2016-11-02 19:30:26] sleger : wurstgelee: fairlay
[2016-11-02 19:31:05] rapidtrades : sleger: dude...time to partake in some ZEC
[2016-11-02 19:31:27] sleger : rapidtrades: dude it's neveeeeeeeer going back above 1, take your loss
[2016-11-02 19:31:38] rapidtrades : ahahaha
[2016-11-02 19:31:43] rapidtrades : short hope dies last
[2016-11-02 19:35:37] martinium : people have inflated hopes for this ZEC
[2016-11-02 19:35:53] martinium : from here on out it is just another shitcoin with use of fancy algos
[2016-11-02 19:36:13] martinium : but whatever money can be made on it since it is tradable
[2016-11-02 19:38:53] rapidtrades : we;re just taking a break here before attacking 2 again
[2016-11-02 19:40:11] wurstgelee : now
[2016-11-02 19:40:11] martinium : you mea before BTC breaks 800+ and ZEC gets crushed some more with all other alts?
[2016-11-02 19:40:14] sleger : 0.2 ?
[2016-11-02 19:40:14] martinium : mean*
[2016-11-02 19:40:25] martinium : sleger: indeed
[2016-11-02 19:40:38] hhhhh : ZEC is the BIGGEST scam I have seen this year in crypto
[2016-11-02 19:40:58] QuantFocus : just this year?
[2016-11-02 19:41:00] wurstgelee : there is no scam. the "trading" is different than other launch pumps
[2016-11-02 19:41:01] rapidtrades : sleger: are u short again? didn't u lose enough money in this coin?
[2016-11-02 19:41:02] sleger : you clearly havent seen sally
[2016-11-02 19:41:04] wurstgelee : because no supply
[2016-11-02 19:41:07] wurstgelee : that is all
[2016-11-02 19:41:13] sleger : rapidtrades: no pos
[2016-11-02 19:41:13] QuantFocus : i don't know about scam, but clever implementation by devs
[2016-11-02 19:41:13] wurstgelee : deal with it or get dealth with ;)
[2016-11-02 19:41:19] wurstgelee : *-h
[2016-11-02 19:41:23] hhhhh : QuantFocus: lol could be last 5 years?
[2016-11-02 19:41:25] rapidtrades : sleger: so -100, got it
[2016-11-02 19:41:52] sleger : should i market buy to cover ?
[2016-11-02 19:42:01] rapidtrades : yes plz
[2016-11-02 19:42:10] sleger : wouldnt even bring the price to 1
[2016-11-02 19:42:12] imabeast : here it comes again lol
[2016-11-02 19:42:16] sleger : you'd still be down 2 btc ;)
[2016-11-02 19:42:20] rapidtrades : where that greek boy
[2016-11-02 19:42:29] rapidtrades : did his fill at 0.35 hit?
[2016-11-02 19:42:51] rapidtrades : nope still 5 there hahahah
[2016-11-02 19:43:33] rapidtrades : tbf he got out of most shorts i think, so didn't do too bad
[2016-11-02 19:45:16] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: so u are holding this 1 underwater long till dec 30?
[2016-11-02 19:45:48] sleger : yes
[2016-11-02 19:46:06] sleger : 60 days of hearing that....
[2016-11-02 19:48:05] wurstgelee : yay :|
[2016-11-02 19:57:16] Airmike : Hi
[2016-11-02 20:00:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 1730 @ 0.002671
[2016-11-02 20:02:24] orly : guys, can anyone tell me about the gold market?
[2016-11-02 20:02:56] orly : like, if you want to go long on gold, what's your go to place?
[2016-11-02 20:03:34] orly : do you buy physical gold or are these markets mostly "virtual"?
[2016-11-02 20:04:05] sleger : you buy digix gold using ethereum token
[2016-11-02 20:06:42] orly : do they accept ethereum or is the virtual asset itself on the eth chain?
[2016-11-02 20:07:20] orly : and do they actually have the physical gold represented by the contract?
[2016-11-02 20:07:29] orly : sleger: ^
[2016-11-02 20:07:47] sleger : orly: google
[2016-11-02 20:08:08] sleger : gold is audited and held in singapore
[2016-11-02 20:08:46] orly : yeah i'm already reading their site just figured it would be quicker since you've used them i assume
[2016-11-02 20:08:55] orly : thanks though
[2016-11-02 20:09:55] orly : "Every step of the way, records of proof are published permanently using Ethereum" :/
[2016-11-02 20:10:19] orly : yeah uh, unfortunately i don't trust the eth chain since the first hard fork
[2016-11-02 20:11:14] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-11-02 20:16:17] zecz : lol, its still around 0,5 here
[2016-11-02 20:16:28] zecz : why not 1++ now when its "marked"
[2016-11-02 20:18:21] Rado : it's not marked yet
[2016-11-02 20:19:43] BitMEX_Sam : Even when it is, the point of marking is not to converge futures & spot price, it's to provide price stability & prevent unnecessary liquidations
[2016-11-02 20:19:57] BitMEX_Sam : It will only stabilize the futures price, it will not cause it to trade with more or less basis
[2016-11-02 20:20:35] BitMEX_Sam : We specifically made a note of this in the announcement but it appears misunderstanding was responsible for that small pump after the email went out.
[2016-11-02 20:20:41] martinium : man that funding rate brutalizes my gainz
[2016-11-02 20:20:50] martinium : glad its dropping again
[2016-11-02 20:21:05] martinium : hopefully shorts made money and took their profits
[2016-11-02 20:21:08] sleger : we'll make sure to bring it back up
[2016-11-02 20:21:39] martinium : hehe
[2016-11-02 20:21:53] sleger : you know who's causing that rate to be so high ?
[2016-11-02 20:22:29] martinium : the bitmex index that only has two exchanges?
[2016-11-02 20:22:37] martinium : lol
[2016-11-02 20:22:42] sleger : no you and your friends buying the swap above the index
[2016-11-02 20:22:54] martinium : interesting
[2016-11-02 20:23:17] martinium : the way the index works though it always follows
[2016-11-02 20:23:21] martinium : in an upswing
[2016-11-02 20:23:21] messiaen8844 : swap rate is a good contrarian indicator
[2016-11-02 20:23:40] martinium : messiaen8844: I've found that to be the case at least partially
[2016-11-02 20:23:50] messiaen8844 : it can help
[2016-11-02 20:24:34] sleger : i can remember people who said that with daily, and sold when premium reached 2$, then 5$ they were screaming short opportunity of the year
[2016-11-02 20:24:47] sleger : by the time premium reached 80 they were all REKT, so good luck with that
[2016-11-02 20:25:01] martinium : I don't base any of my trades on that
[2016-11-02 20:25:15] martinium : I personally base mine on price and a few other things
[2016-11-02 20:25:31] martinium : I don't use any indicators as I am a price action guy
[2016-11-02 20:28:56] messiaen8844 : sledger, that is overly simplistic usage
[2016-11-02 20:29:19] hhhhh : ZEC in free fall on poloniex
[2016-11-02 20:29:27] messiaen8844 : what it does is give a direct measure of sentiment
[2016-11-02 20:29:46] KETH : BitMEX_Sam: Hi. I just read https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking and unless I'm mistaken, for the future faire price calculation, you make a lot of operations to end up with Fair Price = Impact Mid Price (yes all the rest cancel out, and it is confirmed in your example at the end of the page). So... why not, but I don't know if that's what you wanted really ^^
[2016-11-02 20:31:17] sleger : KETH: yep and he did confirm that earlier to you
[2016-11-02 20:31:23] sleger : except the update frequency
[2016-11-02 20:31:43] sleger : please pay more attention or next time I will have to give you a 12 hr ban from the chat
[2016-11-02 20:32:02] KETH : sleger: Ok (well not to me I just arrived, you may have mistaken me for someone else)
[2016-11-02 20:32:43] zecz : KETH also saw that
[2016-11-02 20:32:53] zecz : thought I did the calculations wrong
[2016-11-02 20:32:54] NL007 : sleger: since when do you ban people?
[2016-11-02 20:33:05] NL007 : :)
[2016-11-02 20:34:39] sleger : NL007: since 2014
[2016-11-02 20:35:16] NL007 : who do people know you are a mod?
[2016-11-02 20:35:28] BitMEX_Sam : He's just kidding around.
[2016-11-02 20:35:35] BitMEX_Sam : The only mods have `BitMEX` in their name.
[2016-11-02 20:35:44] NL007 : BitMEX_Sam: thought so
[2016-11-02 20:35:44] martinium : lmao
[2016-11-02 20:36:09] messiaen8844 : Sam
[2016-11-02 20:36:16] martinium : sleger: you crack me up. Love your sarcasic humor
[2016-11-02 20:36:18] messiaen8844 : could you change sledger to name to BitMEX_sledger
[2016-11-02 20:36:30] messiaen8844 : like when you guys changed rapittrades nick
[2016-11-02 20:36:31] NL007 : BitMEX_Sam: maybe he needs a 12hr ban.
[2016-11-02 20:36:36] NL007 : lol
[2016-11-02 20:36:40] messiaen8844 : please give him banhammer for 12hr
[2016-11-02 20:36:45] martinium : nah
[2016-11-02 20:36:51] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: Maybe then we should change my nickname to BitMEX_Sleger
[2016-11-02 20:36:51] martinium : hes funny
[2016-11-02 20:37:11] NL007 : banhammer is also funny
[2016-11-02 20:37:31] martinium : everytime someone says banhammer I think of norse gods
[2016-11-02 20:37:43] BitMEX_Sam : sleger: Okay, I've changed your nick
[2016-11-02 20:37:55] QuantFocus : test it
[2016-11-02 20:37:57] sledger : sleger: show us your new name
[2016-11-02 20:38:06] QuantFocus : :boo:
[2016-11-02 20:38:14] martinium : wtf there is a sledger and a sleger
[2016-11-02 20:38:19] martinium : hahahaha
[2016-11-02 20:38:27] wurstgelee : oO
[2016-11-02 20:38:29] sledger : and same color we have
[2016-11-02 20:38:38] NL007 : twins
[2016-11-02 20:38:42] BitMEX_Sam : We've been lining our pockets with these color changes
[2016-11-02 20:38:47] QuantFocus : oh wow, didn't catch that
[2016-11-02 20:38:54] sledger : i paid 10btc, how much did sleger pay ?
[2016-11-02 20:39:02] wurstgelee : sledger: 5
[2016-11-02 20:39:06] sledger : damn
[2016-11-02 20:39:27] martinium : sledger: you bought the top
[2016-11-02 20:39:39] martinium : imminent DEWM
[2016-11-02 20:40:39] sledger : martinium: i didnt know there was a cap at 10 for color as well
[2016-11-02 20:41:20] QuantFocus : they're moving it up to 100 this week. buy your color change now
[2016-11-02 20:42:55] messiaen8844 : they are launching an appcoin for bitmex colors
[2016-11-02 20:43:02] wurstgelee : sledger: its undocumented but its there. its unreasonable to pay more so it makes sense tho
[2016-11-02 20:43:12] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 20:43:13] messiaen8844 : please make rapidtrades pink
[2016-11-02 20:43:43] wurstgelee : and add a thai flag to his nick
[2016-11-02 20:46:58] kd12 : test
[2016-11-02 20:47:00] sledger : nah, they already have problems to keep arthur focused enough
[2016-11-02 20:53:56] wurstgelee : 5k or not to 5k
[2016-11-02 20:54:04] blacktuesday : china making another attempt
[2016-11-02 20:54:20] blacktuesday : such resistance to +5k
[2016-11-02 20:57:08] mike23aa : going up
[2016-11-02 20:57:11] wurstgelee : step 1: done
[2016-11-02 20:57:12] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 20:57:22] blacktuesday : 780 okc quart
[2016-11-02 20:57:37] john1243 : probably not to 5k with the strengthening of the yuan
[2016-11-02 20:58:21] wurstgelee : we are at 5k
[2016-11-02 20:58:43] john1243 : oh thats right
[2016-11-02 20:58:47] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 20:59:13] john1243 : still think it's going to blow off a little steam here though
[2016-11-02 21:00:28] sledger : john1243: we'll send you a postcard fom the moon
[2016-11-02 21:03:48] martinium : MEWN
[2016-11-02 21:06:18] blacktuesday : if im seeing all bars lit for ADL - what do i do to reduce my risk of ADL? If I sell and take profit risk will be lower, right?
[2016-11-02 21:07:05] wurstgelee : that would be dumb because adl would give u a better price than selling if adl gets triggered
[2016-11-02 21:07:42] blacktuesday : I see. thanks for info, so adding more margin is the only way to lower risk?
[2016-11-02 21:07:58] wurstgelee : iirc yes
[2016-11-02 21:08:34] sledger : no
[2016-11-02 21:09:05] sledger : trade against yourself or a 2nd account to switch the position to it and reset the unrealised to zero
[2016-11-02 21:09:58] blacktuesday : ^sounds like an advanced skill.
[2016-11-02 21:10:15] blacktuesday : trying to wrap my head around the concept. seems legit :)
[2016-11-02 21:12:07] numero : would you do that in the middle of the spread?
[2016-11-02 21:12:10] sledger : its annoying that you have to maintain 2 accounts just to arbitrage a poorly formed rule
[2016-11-02 21:12:21] sledger : numero: yes with hidden order ideally
[2016-11-02 21:12:30] numero : sledger: right on
[2016-11-02 21:12:36] sledger : but they should just change the rule if its so easy to game
[2016-11-02 21:12:49] sledger : I told them 2 weeks ago I believe
[2016-11-02 21:13:12] sledger : also they do collect some fees when you trade agaisnt yourself so its not totally free
[2016-11-02 21:13:53] wurstgelee : oh right, i recall that
[2016-11-02 21:15:52] john1243 : stupid sell order executed twice
[2016-11-02 21:19:25] blacktuesday : gonna be uber bull time if 5k can h0ld
[2016-11-02 21:19:34] wurstgelee : if
[2016-11-02 21:19:43] blacktuesday : big if ya
[2016-11-02 21:23:36] john1243 : my sell order was on FCT to close out a long so technically not too bad if BTC is pumping
[2016-11-02 21:24:44] blacktuesday : the time has come, gentlemen
[2016-11-02 21:25:06] blacktuesday : shorts gonna panic
[2016-11-02 21:26:02] rapidtrades : indeed, it's gentlemen time
[2016-11-02 21:26:47] rapidtrades : gotta say that spike and full retracement on polo doesn't look good
[2016-11-02 21:26:56] wurstgelee : nope
[2016-11-02 21:26:57] rapidtrades : good thing we don't follow polo around here
[2016-11-02 21:27:17] wurstgelee : i retired from zec trading for while
[2016-11-02 21:27:18] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1000 @ 730.17
[2016-11-02 21:27:21] wurstgelee : only 4 longs left
[2016-11-02 21:27:59] rapidtrades : tnx for abandoning the line
[2016-11-02 21:28:19] Boontjie : rapidtrades: ?
[2016-11-02 21:28:33] wurstgelee : it will go down, bottom somewhere...and then its inetresting again
[2016-11-02 21:28:34] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-11-02 21:28:36] Boontjie : spike
[2016-11-02 21:28:50] rapidtrades : yeah we spiked to 2 on polo
[2016-11-02 21:28:55] rapidtrades : did u just got here?
[2016-11-02 21:29:18] Boontjie : yes
[2016-11-02 21:29:51] rapidtrades : if the shorts don't capitulate fair basis will be around 300-400%
[2016-11-02 21:30:10] rapidtrades : i'll need margin trading to get out of this one
[2016-11-02 21:30:15] Boontjie : lol
[2016-11-02 21:30:39] rapidtrades : cmon kraken, one time :)
[2016-11-02 21:30:53] Boontjie : I am assuming a short on zec here
[2016-11-02 21:31:09] Boontjie : if kraken allows shorting the price should tank :)
[2016-11-02 21:31:20] Boontjie : given futures are normally higher than spot
[2016-11-02 21:31:27] sledger : rapidtrades: why dyou think margin trading will save you ?
[2016-11-02 21:31:40] rapidtrades : sledger: short there, done deal
[2016-11-02 21:31:44] rapidtrades : hedged
[2016-11-02 21:31:46] sledger : rapidtrades: huh carry ?
[2016-11-02 21:31:55] rapidtrades : i carry ur mum
[2016-11-02 21:31:59] sledger : you think you can borrow zec for free dummy ?
[2016-11-02 21:32:15] rapidtrades : i know it won't be at 1200-1600% per annum
[2016-11-02 21:32:23] Boontjie : sledger: if we were only higher... then yes
[2016-11-02 21:32:43] rapidtrades : if I've learned smth in my one year here is that 90% of ppl here are retarded
[2016-11-02 21:32:45] sledger : rapidtrades: you dont know that, it will adjust to futures discount so that there is no arb between both
[2016-11-02 21:32:56] rapidtrades : ahahaha...yeah right
[2016-11-02 21:34:00] y1uy : do you guys think BTC still has steam to go up?
[2016-11-02 21:34:18] rapidtrades : just like the the quantos were pricing in bitcoin a $1400 @sledger
[2016-11-02 21:34:31] rapidtrades : how did that work out?
[2016-11-02 21:35:45] aethlios : 2% okcoin biweekly prem. Delicious premiums everywhere
[2016-11-02 21:35:45] rapidtrades : or on the swap...if we go down they sell it into discount, if we go up into premium
[2016-11-02 21:36:02] rapidtrades : there is very little predictive value in that i've found....at least here
[2016-11-02 21:37:26] rapidtrades : aethlios: the $50 on December isn't too bad either
[2016-11-02 21:38:30] aethlios : could see 100 usd prem on 3m if spot 1000
[2016-11-02 21:38:44] rapidtrades : but not on okc :)
[2016-11-02 21:40:40] aethlios : market very bullish, let's see what happens when we reach previous 790 finex high, above 800 will be panic buy.
[2016-11-02 21:41:46] rapidtrades : Dollar mostly lower again today so prolly stronger Yuan at fix
[2016-11-02 21:42:52] micmix : okc will put a cap on premium again and kill the rally when their bots build big enough short
[2016-11-02 21:42:56] aethlios : if trump wins the world will change, political change in wurope also, 2017 german and french elections, central banks could change policies with less globalist leaders.
[2016-11-02 21:43:11] john1243 : god I hope trump doesn't win
[2016-11-02 21:43:22] javierstone : ya it would be awful
[2016-11-02 21:43:28] john1243 : he has a face I just wanna punch
[2016-11-02 21:43:47] javierstone : its scary how ppl are sorta justifying why it would be financially good for their bitcoins if trump wins
[2016-11-02 21:44:09] john1243 : it would be financially good
[2016-11-02 21:44:26] rapidtrades : TRUMP 2016
[2016-11-02 21:44:28] viptrader : bitmex X100 SWAP is according to bitsamp?
[2016-11-02 21:44:30] viptrader : or finex?
[2016-11-02 21:44:32] viptrader : price
[2016-11-02 21:44:34] rapidtrades : make bitcoin great again
[2016-11-02 21:44:39] javierstone : lol
[2016-11-02 21:44:44] john1243 : but I'd rather not want to see an increase at the expense of the world economy
[2016-11-02 21:44:52] javierstone : remember the bush era
[2016-11-02 21:44:58] rapidtrades : bush was fine
[2016-11-02 21:45:08] aethlios : viptrader: https://www.kaiko.com/bitmex based on this index
[2016-11-02 21:45:13] javierstone : we're still dealing with his wars and their fall out
[2016-11-02 21:45:23] rapidtrades : not rly
[2016-11-02 21:45:31] aethlios : 50% okcoin 50% stamp
[2016-11-02 21:45:47] javierstone : i have friends covering mosul rn who would disagree
[2016-11-02 21:45:54] wurstgelee : which bush?
[2016-11-02 21:45:58] javierstone : w
[2016-11-02 21:46:01] wurstgelee : the 2nd, retarded one?
[2016-11-02 21:46:06] javierstone : yup
[2016-11-02 21:46:06] wurstgelee : k
[2016-11-02 21:46:10] rapidtrades : well then obama should've pulled out? @javierstone
[2016-11-02 21:46:22] rapidtrades : IS didn't take mosul on bushes watch yo
[2016-11-02 21:46:40] wurstgelee : yeah. and 9/11 didnt happen with hitler
[2016-11-02 21:46:43] wurstgelee : great argument
[2016-11-02 21:47:00] rapidtrades : it is cos he's blaming bush for stuff obama did
[2016-11-02 21:47:09] javierstone : ya but bush decided to ignore the former republican guard when conquering iraq
[2016-11-02 21:47:12] negamax : javierstone: people are overestimating the harm Trump can do (if he indeed win). US is a corporatocracy. Power is divided
[2016-11-02 21:47:13] javierstone : which led to isis
[2016-11-02 21:47:29] Shenol : Hilary is going to jail
[2016-11-02 21:47:44] y1uy : they are both puppets
[2016-11-02 21:47:47] rapidtrades : javierstone: that's a lot of justification to ignore the simple fact, on who's watch did IS rise
[2016-11-02 21:48:10] Shenol : US is sending weapons to ISIS
[2016-11-02 21:48:17] y1uy : Shenol: yup
[2016-11-02 21:48:22] javierstone : rapidtrades: ignoring the basic principles of how every war torn country has been sucessfully rebuilt since ww2?
[2016-11-02 21:48:33] y1uy : shillery is selling USA uranium to russia
[2016-11-02 21:48:51] javierstone : invading a country with the highest number of corporate mercenaries that US has ever seen?
[2016-11-02 21:48:59] javierstone : dude fucked up
[2016-11-02 21:49:40] javierstone : even if you are a heartless hawk, there's a way better strategy to wage a war than what he did
[2016-11-02 21:50:28] john1243 : why can't I see the FCT order book?
[2016-11-02 21:51:19] habibi : john1243: u can
[2016-11-02 21:52:19] rapidtrades : bush wasn't a great pres but obama did a lot more harm to the world by checking out
[2016-11-02 21:52:22] john1243 : says to me highest buy order is 0.001585 and lowest sell order is 0.00303
[2016-11-02 21:52:30] rapidtrades : too busy wrecking the US economy with obamacare
[2016-11-02 21:52:58] javierstone : rapidtrades: ya but he faced alot more opposition than bush
[2016-11-02 21:53:13] javierstone : democrats would never stone wall the president like republicans did for the last 8 years
[2016-11-02 21:53:35] javierstone : bush was handed a surplus and a sane society
[2016-11-02 21:53:40] rapidtrades : i honestly don't care that much about bush to continue arguing
[2016-11-02 21:53:51] rapidtrades : but bush>obama
[2016-11-02 21:53:53] javierstone : ya its mostly nostalgic feeling to be arguing about this in a chat room
[2016-11-02 21:56:44] rapidtrades : i should stop watching zec it's pointless until prices here are more responsive
[2016-11-02 21:56:52] rapidtrades : maybe from friday
[2016-11-02 21:56:57] micmix : it's very sad that the only choices in US election is bad and worse :-( you can argue who is worse but they both are not good choices
[2016-11-02 21:58:29] QuantFocus : clinton = :poop: | trump = :poop:
[2016-11-02 21:59:33] numero : Giant meteor 2016!
[2016-11-02 22:00:17] wurstgelee : they are both shit but clintion is within the range of normal
[2016-11-02 22:00:23] wurstgelee : *-i
[2016-11-02 22:00:26] john1243 : clinton is getting investigated by the FBI, Trump getting sued for underaged rape
[2016-11-02 22:00:35] kradiav : wurstgelee: for a lizard person, sure :P
[2016-11-02 22:00:42] wurstgelee : hehe
[2016-11-02 22:00:43] john1243 : yay american democracy
[2016-11-02 22:00:48] rapidtrades : john1243: lol is that true?
[2016-11-02 22:00:50] wurstgelee : \o/
[2016-11-02 22:01:04] rapidtrades : im not caught up on my news
[2016-11-02 22:01:18] john1243 : rapidtrades: yup, it's going to trail end of november
[2016-11-02 22:01:29] rapidtrades : wow
[2016-11-02 22:02:17] john1243 : not to mention all thr other scandals trump has, not paying workers, dubios taxes, unlawful use of charity funds
[2016-11-02 22:02:22] john1243 : dubious*
[2016-11-02 22:03:03] rapidtrades : john1243: are u talking about this trial? http://www.cbsnews.com/news/campaign-2016-donald-trump-trial-date-set-in-trump-university-lawsuit/
[2016-11-02 22:03:03] john1243 : tbh, clintons use of email servers are a deflection
[2016-11-02 22:03:29] rapidtrades : cos that's not a rape trial
[2016-11-02 22:03:31] john1243 : rapidtrades: no, let me find it, but there is another
[2016-11-02 22:03:37] rapidtrades : oh good
[2016-11-02 22:04:58] john1243 : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-rape-case_us_581a31a5e4b0c43e6c1d9834
[2016-11-02 22:05:15] numero : huffpo no!
[2016-11-02 22:06:11] rapidtrades : cmon...1994?
[2016-11-02 22:06:43] rapidtrades : these type of things are usually finshing for money....there can't be any evidence left after 22 years
[2016-11-02 22:07:15] john1243 : probably not
[2016-11-02 22:08:37] NL007 : rapidtrades: so bill cosby doesnt have to worry also charges from 20 yrs ago
[2016-11-02 22:08:45] rapidtrades : i wouldn't be surprised if he did it cos he seems like the type
[2016-11-02 22:09:06] rapidtrades : but you'd think the FBI would do its job after 22 years
[2016-11-02 22:09:24] john1243 : point is that trump is going on about the email server night and day when he has about a dozen different cases against him
[2016-11-02 22:09:26] Rado : Huffington is supporting Hilary that's all
[2016-11-02 22:09:54] rapidtrades : john1243: but that email case has a direct impact on the presidency
[2016-11-02 22:09:57] NL007 : john1243: trump had his own secret server
[2016-11-02 22:10:22] rapidtrades : shows she's careless with public data and/or communicated privately for bribes
[2016-11-02 22:11:20] NL007 : rapidtrades: and you think trump is clean
[2016-11-02 22:11:42] rapidtrades : i didn't say he's clean
[2016-11-02 22:11:52] NL007 : i dont like both candidates
[2016-11-02 22:12:23] rapidtrades : republicans did a major f*Ck up allowing him ro run
[2016-11-02 22:12:45] rapidtrades : a polished guy like Romney could've won against Hillary
[2016-11-02 22:12:48] NL007 : 300+ million people and USA comes up with these 2 nuts
[2016-11-02 22:12:51] rapidtrades : no idea why he didn't run
[2016-11-02 22:13:02] john1243 : if any other republican candidate ran, he'd win easily
[2016-11-02 22:14:23] NL007 : rapidtrades: maybe because he lost in 2012
[2016-11-02 22:14:41] NL007 : had impact on him
[2016-11-02 22:14:43] john1243 : lol, they made such a big deal about romney's restructuring companies, seems like nothing now
[2016-11-02 22:15:18] rapidtrades : haha yeah
[2016-11-02 22:15:36] NL007 : i wouldnt be suprised if trump wins
[2016-11-02 22:16:02] NL007 : just like brexit wasnt expected
[2016-11-02 22:16:07] numero : 2016 vote is for who gets to be the bagholder, vote for who you want to lose
[2016-11-02 22:16:15] orly : the US, hell even the whole world deserves trump
[2016-11-02 22:16:30] john1243 : lol,atleast we'll get all the celeb's moving over to canada
[2016-11-02 22:16:37] NL007 : lol
[2016-11-02 22:16:45] rapidtrades : they always say that but noone moves :)
[2016-11-02 22:17:03] NL007 : trump cant even point mexico on a map
[2016-11-02 22:17:15] NL007 : but he wants a wall
[2016-11-02 22:17:23] NL007 : :)
[2016-11-02 22:17:41] john1243 : I wish we had taco trucks on every corner :(
[2016-11-02 22:17:56] orly : at least trump seems to be a somewhat straightforward guy
[2016-11-02 22:18:17] orly : he doesn't try to hide the fact that he's an idiot, or that the world is run by corporate wealth and power
[2016-11-02 22:18:20] john1243 : really? he lies 90% of the time
[2016-11-02 22:18:59] NL007 : john1243: he tells halve truths
[2016-11-02 22:19:24] NL007 : than he can spin it how he wants it
[2016-11-02 22:19:49] john1243 : NL007: lol, media had to step up fact checking just to keep up with him
[2016-11-02 22:20:07] NL007 : john1243: yes
[2016-11-02 22:20:28] NL007 : people like him are dangerous
[2016-11-02 22:21:35] NL007 : he will make America great again
[2016-11-02 22:22:01] NL007 : i hate slogans like that
[2016-11-02 22:22:24] NL007 : just like that obama slogan we can change
[2016-11-02 22:22:41] john1243 : "when they go low, we go high"
[2016-11-02 22:23:04] john1243 : stfu hilary lol
[2016-11-02 22:24:40] john1243 : man, I can't see any of the FCT orderbook
[2016-11-02 22:25:18] rapidtrades : i see 2 very low bids
[2016-11-02 22:25:24] john1243 : can't you see it?
[2016-11-02 22:25:32] john1243 : me too
[2016-11-02 22:25:44] rapidtrades : yeah that's all there is I tihnk
[2016-11-02 22:26:04] rapidtrades : MM checked out
[2016-11-02 22:26:17] john1243 : MM?
[2016-11-02 22:26:27] rapidtrades : market maker
[2016-11-02 22:26:41] Ugly_Old_Goat : I have an idea. How about a derivative for a Poloniex Index. It would be a good vehicle to hedge polo positions
[2016-11-02 22:26:48] john1243 : does that happen often?
[2016-11-02 22:27:05] rapidtrades : u can try putting a bid at 0.002 and see if he tops u
[2016-11-02 22:27:22] rapidtrades : if he does go higher etc
[2016-11-02 22:27:35] rapidtrades : don't get too close tho :)
[2016-11-02 22:27:36] john1243 : I'm ok right now
[2016-11-02 22:28:03] rapidtrades : i have no clue how often, don't trade it
[2016-11-02 22:29:06] john1243 : FCT great for trading
[2016-11-02 22:38:00] yerb : ok, im 115% in profit on my long, do I just deuct 0.37% to calculate funding rate?
[2016-11-02 22:38:16] yerb : deduct
[2016-11-02 22:40:11] micmix : yerb: next funding rate is 0.0983%, longs will pay it in 5 hours
[2016-11-02 22:41:16] micmix : if you are talking about XBTUSD longs will pay 0.0983%, shorts will receive 0.0983% of position value
[2016-11-02 22:41:23] rapidtrades : yerb: the 115% profit in calculated based on ur margin while the funding is based on the size of ur position, 2 different things
[2016-11-02 22:42:01] rapidtrades : do 0.0983% on the size of ur position to get the funding u will pay
[2016-11-02 22:57:00] viptrader : im long since 735 and it show me negative roe, why?
[2016-11-02 22:57:59] rfcdejong : viptrader: market price on Kaiko is lower
[2016-11-02 22:58:23] viptrader : but if it sell i will be in profit, right?
[2016-11-02 22:58:41] rfcdejong : viptrader: only if you act as a maker
[2016-11-02 22:58:51] viptrader : ha?
[2016-11-02 22:58:59] rfcdejong : viptrader: put it on the sell book and hope they buy it
[2016-11-02 22:59:06] blacktuesday : here we go
[2016-11-02 22:59:10] blacktuesday : moon
[2016-11-02 22:59:21] viptrader : not selling, moon time boys
[2016-11-02 22:59:24] viptrader : new high coming
[2016-11-02 22:59:43] rfcdejong : when people think that it crash lol
[2016-11-02 23:00:09] rfcdejong : from 5037 on hubo down to 5027 already
[2016-11-02 23:00:13] rfcdejong : about to crash
[2016-11-02 23:00:16] rfcdejong : \:)
[2016-11-02 23:00:37] blacktuesday : west still needs to come up in price
[2016-11-02 23:00:53] john1243 : lol I dunno about that
[2016-11-02 23:00:56] rfcdejong : look at mcad
[2016-11-02 23:00:57] blacktuesday : 730 on OKC USD rate vs 735 + for stamp and finex