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[2016-10-31 16:57:01] wurstgelee : lopol: u dont happen have to char "_" in your twitter handle? ;)
[2016-10-31 16:57:05] wurstgelee : just guessing
[2016-10-31 16:57:15] wurstgelee : *to=the
[2016-10-31 16:57:38] chromaticcr1 : 14 hours since last short liq of ZECZ16 @ 0.36
[2016-10-31 16:58:01] CapitalGains : where do you see those stats?
[2016-10-31 16:58:10] chromaticcr1 : trollbox archive
[2016-10-31 17:11:30] coinrun : ZEC here we goo
[2016-10-31 17:12:39] wurstgelee : 1st btc: profitability ~ 30%, 2nd btc: ~17, 3rd btc: 4.5%
[2016-10-31 17:12:41] wurstgelee : i am done
[2016-10-31 17:12:47] wurstgelee : all via nicehash
[2016-10-31 17:13:03] wurstgelee : not worth it anymore
[2016-10-31 17:13:06] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: profit going down on zcash mining?
[2016-10-31 17:13:09] jordanbitfort : sorry u got scammed
[2016-10-31 17:13:11] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-10-31 17:13:14] arbitrage001 : bullish new for long
[2016-10-31 17:13:20] wurstgelee : jordanbitfort: moi?
[2016-10-31 17:13:54] arbitrage001 : cheaper to buy from market than mining
[2016-10-31 17:14:25] wurstgelee : arbitrage001: had no idea about profitability (at least for the general public - home miner's are bett off, cloud miners are fucked)
[2016-10-31 17:14:38] wurstgelee : so carried out a little experiment
[2016-10-31 17:14:43] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-31 17:14:50] arbitrage001 : home miner have other costs
[2016-10-31 17:15:14] arbitrage001 : normally the hassle isnt worth the profit
[2016-10-31 17:15:20] wurstgelee : yeah, but generally better because nicehash takes its share
[2016-10-31 17:15:23] arbitrage001 : if there is any profit at all
[2016-10-31 17:15:25] wurstgelee : prob not a lot tho
[2016-10-31 17:15:59] wurstgelee : i had >100kSol, ~5% nethash
[2016-10-31 17:16:12] arbitrage001 : 5% a day still a lot
[2016-10-31 17:16:19] arbitrage001 : if the risk is low
[2016-10-31 17:16:25] arbitrage001 : will keep doing it
[2016-10-31 17:16:39] wurstgelee : i am not sure if it would work out with a 4th probe
[2016-10-31 17:16:55] wurstgelee : maybe i should do one
[2016-10-31 17:17:00] wurstgelee : for science!
[2016-10-31 17:17:40] aethlios : place a low price on nicehash and wait for a spike in price to sell, place sell order 35% above, zcash do some bear market rallies
[2016-10-31 17:17:53] wurstgelee : arbitrage001: i have to admit i was lazy tho, used ~ 50% fixed orders to not have to care about if thy are currently running or not
[2016-10-31 17:18:01] wurstgelee : aethlios: exactly, thats the usual way
[2016-10-31 17:18:11] wurstgelee : i wanted results. fast. :)
[2016-10-31 17:18:45] chromaticcr1 : seems everyone is placing hidden orders around
[2016-10-31 17:19:28] CapitalGains : Yip. Makes for a nice game.
[2016-10-31 17:20:27] CapitalGains : In a sense, it provides a measure of competitiveness which compensates for the low liquidity
[2016-10-31 17:25:22] wurstgelee : i like it tbh. it's like playing chess with partly hidden pawns thanks to lastPrice marking. ;)
[2016-10-31 17:25:31] chromaticcr1 : or perhaps everyone is tired of the 1-pip-below guy
[2016-10-31 17:25:44] wurstgelee : *and an unknown number of pawns ;)
[2016-10-31 17:28:38] rapidtrades : do u guys think we're basing on ZEC
[2016-10-31 17:31:40] coinrun : yes above .25 support @rapidtrades
[2016-10-31 17:32:13] rapidtrades : no i meant on polo, this market is manipulated
[2016-10-31 17:32:35] wurstgelee : wooow
[2016-10-31 17:32:42] wurstgelee : zec @ polo ;)
[2016-10-31 17:32:58] rapidtrades : once we break 1 on polo a frenzy of buying will be unleashed
[2016-10-31 17:33:11] lanbetatester : Test a...b....c
[2016-10-31 17:33:35] wurstgelee : not much volume tho... prob an idiot if nothing follows
[2016-10-31 17:33:55] coinrun : Damn son CNBC pump in polo
[2016-10-31 17:33:57] rapidtrades : its volatile that's for sure
[2016-10-31 17:34:05] rapidtrades : coinrun: wat
[2016-10-31 17:34:19] coinrun : rapidtrades: http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/31/new-bitcoin-rival-promises-anonymity-for-online-purchases.html
[2016-10-31 17:34:24] wurstgelee : whats a CNBC?
[2016-10-31 17:34:29] rapidtrades : BUY BUY BUY
[2016-10-31 17:34:32] wurstgelee : @ admins: it's lagging again....
[2016-10-31 17:34:35] rapidtrades : our coin is on CNBC
[2016-10-31 17:34:36] coinrun : Large financial news network
[2016-10-31 17:34:57] wurstgelee : coinrun: yeah, i know, i thought you were talking about an alt or sth
[2016-10-31 17:34:59] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-31 17:35:20] rapidtrades : it's 2hrs old, do u think polo knows about it
[2016-10-31 17:35:59] coinrun : rapidtrades: inefficient market. Who do you think was buying ZEc on the way down.
[2016-10-31 17:36:07] wurstgelee : coinrun just mentioned it, i guess he was talking about polo pumping on that vey news
[2016-10-31 17:36:08] wurstgelee : *very
[2016-10-31 17:36:14] rapidtrades : coinrun: the jews?
[2016-10-31 17:36:30] coinrun : rapidtrades: Illuminati confirmed
[2016-10-31 17:36:40] coinrun : triangle pattern lol
[2016-10-31 17:36:41] rapidtrades : Donald Trump?
[2016-10-31 17:36:47] rapidtrades : idk how was buying
[2016-10-31 17:36:57] wurstgelee : by pressing "buy"
[2016-10-31 17:36:58] rapidtrades : habiji's grandma?
[2016-10-31 17:37:27] rapidtrades : sausage pressed buy instead of sell?
[2016-10-31 17:37:28] coinrun : damn son
[2016-10-31 17:37:35] coinrun : zec on polo
[2016-10-31 17:37:37] rapidtrades : it could be anyone
[2016-10-31 17:37:46] wurstgelee : nice
[2016-10-31 17:38:15] wurstgelee : i havent sold mining experiment #3 yet
[2016-10-31 17:38:29] wurstgelee : profitability a lot better now ;)
[2016-10-31 17:38:52] rapidtrades : wurstgelee: what kind of equipment is it
[2016-10-31 17:39:04] wurstgelee : hashes. i buy hashes,
[2016-10-31 17:39:06] wurstgelee : @ nicehash
[2016-10-31 17:39:14] rapidtrades : ah
[2016-10-31 17:39:26] wurstgelee : so u dont have to care for rigs, equiments, configs etc...
[2016-10-31 17:39:33] wurstgelee : *p
[2016-10-31 17:39:40] rapidtrades : so u can just buy some hash then sell it to a greater fool?
[2016-10-31 17:40:10] wurstgelee : no, u buy hash/s or in ZEC case Sol/s
[2016-10-31 17:40:23] wurstgelee : each and every share your rented hashes deliver to the pool gets paid
[2016-10-31 17:40:27] wurstgelee : in ZEC
[2016-10-31 17:40:36] rapidtrades : 18:38 - wurstgelee: i havent sold mining experiment #3 yet <<<
[2016-10-31 17:40:45] wurstgelee : so i pay hashrate with BTC @ nicehash and get delivered ZEC @ pool
[2016-10-31 17:41:01] wurstgelee : i meant: i havent sold the ZEC mined with it
[2016-10-31 17:41:05] rapidtrades : ah
[2016-10-31 17:41:40] TwinnerD : when did they start to payout @wurstgelee
[2016-10-31 17:41:44] MrRGnome : wurstgelee: you really should during this bump. inflation is insane right now on zec
[2016-10-31 17:42:07] CapitalGains : wurstgelee: I thought all cloud mining was a scam - have you really made profit with it?
[2016-10-31 17:42:19] wurstgelee : MrRGnome: just dumped
[2016-10-31 17:42:34] wurstgelee : TwinnerD: dunno, i didnt mine from the start, i heard that started "late" tho
[2016-10-31 17:42:49] wurstgelee : had some technical issues iirc
[2016-10-31 17:42:50] MrRGnome : CapitalGains: I cloud mined the last three days with free google credit, it was a good deal got 1500 sol/s out of it
[2016-10-31 17:42:55] MrRGnome : couple hundred free bucks
[2016-10-31 17:43:00] wurstgelee : *valid for suprnova that is
[2016-10-31 17:43:21] wurstgelee : MrRGnome: haha - i am planning to to the same with free azure credit
[2016-10-31 17:43:28] TwinnerD : wurstgelee: because I heard a few people say that the mining pools delayed payments on purpose to capture the high prices for themselves. Seems logical to me
[2016-10-31 17:43:31] wurstgelee : $200 on signup ofr free
[2016-10-31 17:43:54] wurstgelee : TwinnerD: maybe. noone will ever be able to prove tho
[2016-10-31 17:43:58] MrRGnome : wurstgelee: gcloud game me 300 usd. I wrote a quick bash bot to manage all the instance crating and bam, in th emoney.
[2016-10-31 17:44:05] MrRGnome : Though google got pissed and eventually shut down all my projects
[2016-10-31 17:44:10] MrRGnome : that happened this morning
[2016-10-31 17:44:13] wurstgelee : hehe
[2016-10-31 17:44:37] wurstgelee : i started bulding an reference image this morning, will prob finish tomorrow
[2016-10-31 17:44:48] wurstgelee : the going to spin them up by the dozen
[2016-10-31 17:44:51] wurstgelee : *then
[2016-10-31 17:45:08] MrRGnome : I might check out azure if it's got a similar credit system
[2016-10-31 17:45:27] wurstgelee : $200 for free which DOESNT get converted to paid membership without action on your side
[2016-10-31 17:45:41] MrRGnome : Good deal in my book.
[2016-10-31 17:45:54] wurstgelee : we read the same book
[2016-10-31 17:50:14] rapidtrades : what's a 'reference image'
[2016-10-31 17:51:24] wurstgelee : one that u can easily multiply
[2016-10-31 17:51:29] wurstgelee : with the click of a button
[2016-10-31 17:51:39] wurstgelee : so u configure one machine and have as much as u want
[2016-10-31 17:51:43] wurstgelee : *machines
[2016-10-31 17:51:48] wurstgelee : also many
[2016-10-31 17:51:50] wurstgelee : oO
[2016-10-31 17:53:25] rapidtrades : ah
[2016-10-31 17:55:30] wurstgelee : .82 ....
[2016-10-31 17:55:38] wurstgelee : polo having fun with ZEC
[2016-10-31 17:56:56] CapitalGains : I look forward to joining the fun on polo when the price gets a bit lower. I last sold at 250 BTC, it would be nice if I could buy in again at 0.250.
[2016-10-31 17:59:28] rapidtrades : i think u should temper ur greed
[2016-10-31 17:59:30] CapitalGains : Did any of you put in bids that got hit for the first ZEC sell on Polo?
[2016-10-31 17:59:49] rapidtrades : yeah i bought at 2500
[2016-10-31 17:59:59] rapidtrades : only 0.1 tho
[2016-10-31 18:00:22] CapitalGains : rapidtrades: It was only 0.0001 ZEC that I sold at 250. Did you get to sell above 2500?
[2016-10-31 18:01:01] rapidtrades : im just messing around, didn't trade on polo
[2016-10-31 18:01:48] rapidtrades : CapitalGains: what are the current ZEC pool withdrawal fees
[2016-10-31 18:01:57] rapidtrades : ppl were saying it was 0.5 at the start
[2016-10-31 18:02:32] CapitalGains : I bought my ZEC, so don't know about the fees.
[2016-10-31 18:04:44] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: one pool
[2016-10-31 18:04:55] wurstgelee : suprnova has .0001 iirc
[2016-10-31 18:05:53] javierstone : can anyone rec any bitmex tutorials on margin trading?
[2016-10-31 18:06:55] Anon39 : bitmex has future trading
[2016-10-31 18:07:35] Anon39 : 1.4 zec mined per block atm
[2016-10-31 18:07:45] messiaen8844 : javier: think of the leverage slider as the ASS FUCK bottom
[2016-10-31 18:07:47] messiaen8844 : that should get you started
[2016-10-31 18:08:09] javierstone : k
[2016-10-31 18:08:41] Anon39 : we will have double the current zec in 1.5 days approx
[2016-10-31 18:09:48] rapidtrades : yeah im sure ur the only one who's privy to that information
[2016-10-31 18:10:29] Anon39 : yes i just talked with zec ceo
[2016-10-31 18:13:55] wurstgelee : polo 83
[2016-10-31 18:14:20] wurstgelee : i know because i dumped the rest of my mined -ZEC into that order ;)
[2016-10-31 18:14:26] coinrun : Oh man ZEC lol
[2016-10-31 18:16:13] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-10-31 18:16:15] wurstgelee : .88
[2016-10-31 18:16:18] wurstgelee : haha
[2016-10-31 18:16:29] coinrun : CNBC pump is real
[2016-10-31 18:16:31] rapidtrades : woooo run forest run
[2016-10-31 18:16:33] coinrun : lol
[2016-10-31 18:20:02] kryptopojken : cnbc wrote about ZEC?
[2016-10-31 18:20:07] MrRGnome : I love it. I love how CNBC probably has no idea how dishonest they are being when they talk about the price per 1 zcash during the first few days of launch like it means something. Might as well talk about the price of the entire economy as a unit when 1 zec represents an enormous fraction of the total supply.
[2016-10-31 18:20:11] coinrun : We are going to hit 1000ZEC volume today
[2016-10-31 18:20:50] wurstgelee : polo whales have no chill
[2016-10-31 18:21:09] wurstgelee : MrRGnome: yep. its actually great that they have no clue
[2016-10-31 18:21:15] wurstgelee : in this case
[2016-10-31 18:21:19] wurstgelee : usually its the opposite
[2016-10-31 18:22:06] aethlios : smart traders trade futures, dump trade plain vanilla spot, wait for options to launch on bitmex....
[2016-10-31 18:22:49] aethlios : selling calls on zcash!!! much $$$$$
[2016-10-31 18:25:06] coinrun : 785.93518556 ZEC Volume today so far. Long day ahead of us
[2016-10-31 18:26:41] sleger : thanks for the 8th decimal, very useful dummy
[2016-10-31 18:27:10] wurstgelee : wb
[2016-10-31 18:27:24] wurstgelee : nice opener as usual ;)
[2016-10-31 18:29:09] sleger : also he probably doesnt know it's a 24hr volume.
[2016-10-31 18:33:25] coinrun : sleger: You short?
[2016-10-31 18:33:32] rapidtrades : BUY BUY BUY
[2016-10-31 18:33:39] coinrun : sleger: RIP.
[2016-10-31 18:33:51] rapidtrades : yeah sleger RIP u pos shortie
[2016-10-31 18:34:00] coinrun : Be nice
[2016-10-31 18:34:28] rapidtrades : im j/k....we're friends...kinda
[2016-10-31 18:35:29] MrRGnome : rapidtrades: not better friends than us though right?
[2016-10-31 18:35:44] lilop : bye bye bye @rapidtrades
[2016-10-31 18:35:45] sleger : i have no ZEC, I withdrew them all already
[2016-10-31 18:36:14] EA_FTW : wurstgelee: how's the nicehash mission going? I had some going, then the site went down, before I could enter payment details!
[2016-10-31 18:36:36] rapidtrades : saved by the bell
[2016-10-31 18:37:22] wurstgelee : http://zuiderent.nl/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/krokodil-vogel-1.jpg
[2016-10-31 18:37:26] wurstgelee : sleger and rapidtrades
[2016-10-31 18:37:34] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-31 18:38:08] wurstgelee : EA_FTW: profitable overall
[2016-10-31 18:38:23] EA_FTW : Ah man, looks like I've got 1.4 ZEC sitting there with no payout address :-(
[2016-10-31 18:38:24] wurstgelee : thanks to current polo pump ~25 overall
[2016-10-31 18:38:26] EA_FTW : https://zcash.nicehash.com/balances
[2016-10-31 18:38:36] wurstgelee : yep, u need to set the address ;)
[2016-10-31 18:38:41] rapidtrades : wtf
[2016-10-31 18:38:52] EA_FTW : Can't until the site is back up though!
[2016-10-31 18:39:04] rapidtrades : that sucks
[2016-10-31 18:39:19] wurstgelee : EA_FTW: suprnova is up?
[2016-10-31 18:39:41] wurstgelee : pool?
[2016-10-31 18:39:49] EA_FTW : nicehash.com - looks like it's back now :-)
[2016-10-31 18:40:11] wurstgelee : yeah ok, but you set your payout address at the pool?
[2016-10-31 18:40:21] wurstgelee : or idk which payout address you are talking about
[2016-10-31 18:43:19] NL007 : some shorters could get liquidated if zec hits 1btc again
[2016-10-31 18:44:26] EA_FTW : Oh no, where do you set the payout address..
[2016-10-31 18:45:55] zecz : what happends if the other part of my position gets liquidated?
[2016-10-31 18:46:01] chromaticcr1 : move it above 0.36, slap'em hard
[2016-10-31 18:47:08] wurstgelee : EA_FTW: account settings
[2016-10-31 18:47:58] coinrun : 805.29518339 ZEC
[2016-10-31 18:48:00] EA_FTW : wurstgelee: which section?
[2016-10-31 18:48:08] wurstgelee : EA_FTW: suprnova?
[2016-10-31 18:48:47] wurstgelee : Edit Account->My Account
[2016-10-31 18:49:15] wurstgelee : scratch that
[2016-10-31 18:49:18] wurstgelee : just my account
[2016-10-31 18:50:08] EA_FTW : So there's an Accounts menu, with General, Wallet, Manage My Pools ... [I'm on nicehash.com, not been to suprnova, using the Nicehash Zcash pool (stratum)]
[2016-10-31 18:50:47] wurstgelee : oh, never used that
[2016-10-31 18:50:52] wurstgelee : sec
[2016-10-31 18:51:16] wurstgelee : accounts-general maybe?
[2016-10-31 18:51:49] EA_FTW : Still got 1min left on order, hoping when it finishes it'll say something about cashing out..
[2016-10-31 18:54:11] wurstgelee : i have a fixed order @ .14 still running
[2016-10-31 18:54:22] wurstgelee : just refilled it, prices are skyrocketing
[2016-10-31 18:54:35] wurstgelee : 0.9 @ polo
[2016-10-31 18:54:40] wurstgelee : thats probably why =)
[2016-10-31 18:55:00] wurstgelee : .91
[2016-10-31 18:55:42] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 1 @ 0.325033
[2016-10-31 18:56:12] wurstgelee : so it begins. again....
[2016-10-31 18:56:48] zecz : guess we will have a nice rush in ZEC now!
[2016-10-31 18:56:59] zecz : maybe up to 1-2 btc
[2016-10-31 18:57:31] rapidtrades : boom bitches
[2016-10-31 18:57:35] wurstgelee : parity
[2016-10-31 18:57:36] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-10-31 18:57:38] rapidtrades : get ready for some stiches
[2016-10-31 18:57:51] wurstgelee : i cant wait to reach 1000 zec volume above 1 btc.....
[2016-10-31 18:58:10] wurstgelee : 1.4
[2016-10-31 18:58:11] wurstgelee : rofl
[2016-10-31 18:58:12] rapidtrades : THE HOLY PARITY
[2016-10-31 18:58:13] NL007 : 1btc
[2016-10-31 18:58:16] NL007 : wow
[2016-10-31 18:58:17] wurstgelee : 1.4
[2016-10-31 18:58:18] rfcdejong : omg ZEC going up
[2016-10-31 18:58:18] jordanbitfort : lmao
[2016-10-31 18:58:25] rapidtrades : told ya it will pop above 1
[2016-10-31 18:58:29] rfcdejong : time to short on 10 BTC :)
[2016-10-31 18:58:31] wurstgelee : hahaha
[2016-10-31 18:58:40] rapidtrades : suck it shorties
[2016-10-31 18:58:49] rfcdejong : 1.4 now
[2016-10-31 18:58:58] rfcdejong : 1.9
[2016-10-31 18:59:10] wurstgelee : :D :D :D
[2016-10-31 18:59:12] wurstgelee : such fun
[2016-10-31 18:59:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 5 @ 0.389821
[2016-10-31 18:59:31] rapidtrades : first victim ^^^
[2016-10-31 18:59:40] rapidtrades : ahahha 1.7
[2016-10-31 18:59:44] rfcdejong : lol
[2016-10-31 18:59:53] rapidtrades : there it is, the rally i've been wiaitng for
[2016-10-31 19:00:09] sleger : it will be short lived i fear
[2016-10-31 19:00:17] coinrun : sleger: Bro
[2016-10-31 19:00:20] coinrun : your fucked
[2016-10-31 19:00:21] rapidtrades : nah
[2016-10-31 19:00:21] rfcdejong : well I didn't dare to buy ZEC :)
[2016-10-31 19:00:23] sleger : and concentrated on polo
[2016-10-31 19:00:25] coinrun : your effed
[2016-10-31 19:00:29] rfcdejong : I still believe it will go 0.1
[2016-10-31 19:00:31] sleger : coinrun: why ?
[2016-10-31 19:00:41] aethlios : lucky sell mining coins
[2016-10-31 19:00:50] sleger : coinrun: im not short dummy, i just said twice i had no position
[2016-10-31 19:01:01] wurstgelee : aethlios: waiting for transaction to confrim...
[2016-10-31 19:01:02] lilop : shoooooorttt ))
[2016-10-31 19:01:02] wurstgelee : ffs
[2016-10-31 19:01:03] coinrun : Call me dummy 1 more time lol
[2016-10-31 19:01:18] sleger : coinrun: just say something else stupid it will happen
[2016-10-31 19:01:28] coinrun : lol
[2016-10-31 19:02:12] aethlios : push anyone here 0.5 at least
[2016-10-31 19:02:26] rapidtrades : we need a waaaambulance for sleger
[2016-10-31 19:02:26] wurstgelee : lolz :)
[2016-10-31 19:02:29] rfcdejong : time to turn on my miner again perhaps :D
[2016-10-31 19:02:45] rfcdejong : buy at 1 BTC and sell at 2 BTC ?
[2016-10-31 19:02:50] rfcdejong : or...... sell at 0.1 BTC :D
[2016-10-31 19:03:06] sleger : rapidtrades: why ? whats the price ?
[2016-10-31 19:03:06] wurstgelee : its a coinflip
[2016-10-31 19:03:12] wurstgelee : sleger: >1 atm
[2016-10-31 19:03:17] EA_FTW : wurstgelee: fuck, I think you're meant to put your zcash payout address in the "username" field of the pool setup (they don't tell you this though - they give the example as "myworker1")!!
[2016-10-31 19:03:18] wurstgelee : spiked to 1.9
[2016-10-31 19:03:29] wurstgelee : EA_FTW: omfg :/
[2016-10-31 19:03:31] public username 321 : peoploe getting rekt on zec, lol
[2016-10-31 19:04:00] EA_FTW : hence why it says "ea_ftw" here next to my 1.7ZEC :-(
[2016-10-31 19:04:08] EA_FTW : Hope support can fix it..
[2016-10-31 19:04:13] rapidtrades : they knew they were playing with fire shorting the one true coin
[2016-10-31 19:05:00] sleger : back to 0.3, wow huuuuuuuge rally, thanks rapid
[2016-10-31 19:05:18] rapidtrades : don't give a shit, i'll hold till dec if i need to
[2016-10-31 19:05:31] rapidtrades : u can't beat me bitches
[2016-10-31 19:05:33] sleger : oh cause you think it will be at 3 in dec ?
[2016-10-31 19:05:34] aethlios : hoooooooooooold
[2016-10-31 19:06:13] rapidtrades : sleger: idk but i know it will 300% better then what im getting now at this cheating site
[2016-10-31 19:06:28] rapidtrades : f*cking scam
[2016-10-31 19:06:35] wurstgelee : lolz :D
[2016-10-31 19:06:35] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: Cool it
[2016-10-31 19:06:37] sleger : rapidtrades: true i would do the same if i had bought at 3
[2016-10-31 19:06:41] rapidtrades : hope it pops above 10 and puts u out of business
[2016-10-31 19:06:51] wurstgelee : u know the rules, u accepted the rules, now live or die by the rules
[2016-10-31 19:07:23] wurstgelee : *ok, not all rules. the great bitmex wall came as a surprise
[2016-10-31 19:07:55] CaptainDean : the mexCAP ! :P
[2016-10-31 19:07:57] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: ready for picking a reference? 900 ZEC volume :p
[2016-10-31 19:08:01] sleger : either he goes for a walk outside or he's gonna get his 3rd ban
[2016-10-31 19:08:05] wurstgelee : CaptainDean: lol
[2016-10-31 19:08:14] CaptainDean : and it's not my copyright :P
[2016-10-31 19:08:19] rapidtrades : only got 1 ban
[2016-10-31 19:08:47] rapidtrades : Sam is getting edgy cos his shorts are wrecked
[2016-10-31 19:08:59] BitMEX_Sam : It's important to note, that setting a reference exchange won't significantly affect the price
[2016-10-31 19:09:02] coinrun : rapidtrades: what?
[2016-10-31 19:09:12] CaptainDean : We have to be honest and they have to be too ... it's was a mistake on their part and it was also pretty much quite surprising to have that much value on the coin right of the start
[2016-10-31 19:09:16] BitMEX_Sam : So those of you who seem to be holding out for it as if it will make your longs more valuable, it won't.
[2016-10-31 19:09:42] sleger : i tried to explain them
[2016-10-31 19:09:48] lockhedge : me too
[2016-10-31 19:09:55] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: Adios
[2016-10-31 19:09:58] sleger : basically marking will change from LAST to weighted MID
[2016-10-31 19:10:23] sleger : and goodbye
[2016-10-31 19:10:31] sleger : see you in 24hr ?
[2016-10-31 19:10:43] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: it will. but for different reasons ;)
[2016-10-31 19:10:43] prospecta : sleger please calm down
[2016-10-31 19:11:05] sleger : prospecta: ???
[2016-10-31 19:11:06] CaptainDean : Rapid is over-reacting, maybe i would be too if I had lost coins during the process
[2016-10-31 19:11:20] prospecta : youre acting hysterical please calm don sleger
[2016-10-31 19:11:20] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: less fuckery potential due to deep pockets....thats worth something
[2016-10-31 19:11:22] prospecta : you're acting hysterical please calm don sleger
[2016-10-31 19:11:27] prospecta : *down
[2016-10-31 19:11:51] sleger : prospecta: you're crazy no idea what you're talking about
[2016-10-31 19:11:59] prospecta : see
[2016-10-31 19:12:19] CaptainDean : For me there were two big mistake, first the CAP but the worst one was to say that cap would be removed and traders make trades based on that ... then the cap wasn't removed
[2016-10-31 19:12:32] wurstgelee : CaptainDean: thank you ;)
[2016-10-31 19:12:38] sleger : CaptainDean: yes agreed
[2016-10-31 19:13:09] sleger : on the second one
[2016-10-31 19:13:11] wurstgelee : hurt longs twice and save the asses of shorters....but we already discussed that enough
[2016-10-31 19:13:17] CaptainDean : yeah
[2016-10-31 19:13:29] CaptainDean : let's not restart all the talking :P
[2016-10-31 19:13:39] sleger : esp now that rapid is out
[2016-10-31 19:13:44] coinrun : BitMEX_Sam: Sam could you elaborate on why you think that? as a trader im interested in hearing why you think that.
[2016-10-31 19:13:46] CaptainDean : sleger: ;-)
[2016-10-31 19:14:17] BitMEX_Sam : coinrun: Why I think marking won't significantly affect the price?
[2016-10-31 19:14:24] zecz : how does the cap work?
[2016-10-31 19:14:29] coinrun : BitMEX_Sam: correct
[2016-10-31 19:14:36] BitMEX_Sam : coinrun: See https://blog.bitmex.com/site_announcement/note-on-zec-price-cap/
[2016-10-31 19:14:43] CaptainDean : zecz: try to put a shirt @ 10,1 BTC
[2016-10-31 19:14:45] sleger : zecz: you cant buy at more than 0.39
[2016-10-31 19:14:46] CaptainDean : short**
[2016-10-31 19:14:50] wurstgelee : zecz: there is an invisble wall @ 10 btc per zec which prevented bitmx to follow polo prices
[2016-10-31 19:15:05] coinrun : BitMEX_Sam: traders will prob push this to mark.
[2016-10-31 19:15:09] jordanbitfort : if mark price is .9 and you shorted at .3 youwould be liquidated yes?
[2016-10-31 19:15:16] coinrun : Which makes sense.
[2016-10-31 19:15:23] jordanbitfort : how can changing mark not change price here
[2016-10-31 19:15:24] sleger : coinrun: mark wont move, already told you
[2016-10-31 19:15:40] wurstgelee : undocu @coinrun its last price marking atm
[2016-10-31 19:15:46] wurstgelee : the wrong mark price is misleading at first tho...
[2016-10-31 19:16:03] BitMEX_Sam : Marking to an index does not mean mark price === index price
[2016-10-31 19:16:16] BitMEX_Sam : Otherwise the mark price of XBTZ16 would be 704.83, but it is 733.65.
[2016-10-31 19:16:22] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: but it provides stability
[2016-10-31 19:16:40] wurstgelee : regarding random stop and mc runs
[2016-10-31 19:16:51] lockhedge : BitMEX_Sam: there is still some uncertainty on how the mark method will exactly work. can you confirm that you will calculate the fair basis based on the impact bid price? what will be the impact notional?
[2016-10-31 19:16:55] wurstgelee : we wont move here until we have that
[2016-10-31 19:17:04] wurstgelee : unless someone with too much btc wants to play a game again
[2016-10-31 19:17:10] lockhedge : *impact mid price
[2016-10-31 19:17:31] wurstgelee : also what lockhedge asked ;)
[2016-10-31 19:17:52] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: also, most important question : when can rapid come play with us again ? :)
[2016-10-31 19:18:00] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-10-31 19:18:23] BitMEX_Greg : sleger: probably after a calming down period
[2016-10-31 19:18:50] zecz : Whats happening when you get liquidated ? auto-closing position @ best market price?
[2016-10-31 19:19:02] BitMEX_Greg : wurstgelee: I don't understand the issue about it providing stability.
[2016-10-31 19:19:27] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Greg: its not an issue, its what i would like to have
[2016-10-31 19:19:32] BitMEX_Greg : zecz: Please take a read of our guides: https://www.bitmex.com/app/liquidation https://www.bitmex.com/app/autoDeleveraging
[2016-10-31 19:19:37] wurstgelee : i am waiting for marking
[2016-10-31 19:19:39] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-10-31 19:19:55] BitMEX_Greg : wurstgelee: We will have it marked as explained in the announcement when the underlying spot market is sufficiently liquid and stable
[2016-10-31 19:20:12] wurstgelee : yes...i know. i am waiting nonetheless
[2016-10-31 19:20:19] wurstgelee : as in "looking forward to"
[2016-10-31 19:20:41] wurstgelee : there was no hidden criticism in what i said ;)
[2016-10-31 19:20:41] coinrun : BitMEX_Greg: when the two requirements are met? what is your definition of stable?
[2016-10-31 19:20:56] wurstgelee : coinrun: thats the unknown factor
[2016-10-31 19:21:18] coinrun : With money on the mine, that should be elaborated. @BitMEX_Greg
[2016-10-31 19:21:22] prospecta : BitMEX_Greg needs to calm down also
[2016-10-31 19:21:27] prospecta : hysterical
[2016-10-31 19:21:41] wurstgelee : yeah, seems to be a little defensive lately ;)
[2016-10-31 19:21:43] coinrun : on the line*
[2016-10-31 19:22:00] prospecta : I blame sleger
[2016-10-31 19:22:04] BitMEX_Greg : coinrun: I believe the announcement is sufficient in its explanation.
[2016-10-31 19:22:05] prospecta : shes always worked up
[2016-10-31 19:22:20] BitMEX_Greg : coinrun: How's that article going by the way?
[2016-10-31 19:22:22] coinrun : BitMEX_Greg: great. thank you.
[2016-10-31 19:22:34] coinrun : BitMEX_Greg: the review?
[2016-10-31 19:22:40] EA_FTW : wurstgelee: aargh.. it's a race against time for them to change the details before the payment goes out (and gets burned)..
[2016-10-31 19:22:52] wurstgelee : good luck
[2016-10-31 19:22:53] coinrun : BitMEX_Greg: You guys got enough publicity from zec
[2016-10-31 19:22:53] BitMEX_Greg : prospecta: sleger is a she?
[2016-10-31 19:23:05] wurstgelee : lolz :D
[2016-10-31 19:23:16] prospecta : BitMEX_Greg: got to be, always so emotional
[2016-10-31 19:24:08] miramm1115 : BitMEX_Sam: Hi Sam! Any ETA on Realised PNL hover fix on live?
[2016-10-31 19:25:01] BitMEX_Sam : Hey miramm1115: Have to do a merge, I'll push it through today
[2016-10-31 19:25:36] miramm1115 : BitMEX_Sam: thanks, really miss this feature :-)
[2016-10-31 19:26:34] HostFat : 24hr Volume: 818.40675732 BTC / 958.54704040 ZEC on poloniex
[2016-10-31 19:26:38] prospecta : sleger must be taking a quick break to take some deep breaths
[2016-10-31 19:27:51] sleger : prospecta: why would I ? and why dont you go back to polo trollbox or wherever you come from ?
[2016-10-31 19:28:11] QuantFocus : what's a sleger?
[2016-10-31 19:28:12] prospecta : haha
[2016-10-31 19:28:30] prospecta : sleger PLEASE settle down. there is no need to get so damn emotional.
[2016-10-31 19:28:31] sleger : are you in love with me or something that you keep talking about me ?
[2016-10-31 19:28:49] QuantFocus : prospecta is just rapidtrades' alt account
[2016-10-31 19:29:32] prospecta : sleger there is really no need for such explosive outbursts. keep your emotions in check this is a serious financial discussion tool.
[2016-10-31 19:30:29] NL007 : almost 1000 zec volume
[2016-10-31 19:31:31] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: since 1000 seems a matter of an hour max, does polo meet ur 2nd requirement atm?
[2016-10-31 19:31:43] prospecta : don't sound so desperate wurst
[2016-10-31 19:31:49] wurstgelee : nah, i am curious ;)
[2016-10-31 19:31:55] prospecta : next thing you'll be screaming like sleger
[2016-10-31 19:32:44] BitMEX_Greg : wurstgelee: The price isn't going to snap to Polo price as soon as it hits 1,000 if thats what you are asking.
[2016-10-31 19:33:08] prospecta : it could if someone market bought
[2016-10-31 19:33:16] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Greg: i know that. u said that 3 times now and i repeatedly told u thats not my point ffs
[2016-10-31 19:33:52] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Greg: that was not the answer to my question
[2016-10-31 19:34:12] NL007 : maybe 2btc zec
[2016-10-31 19:34:17] BitMEX_Greg : wurstgelee: Yes if it trades 1000 / day consistently then it will be satisfied
[2016-10-31 19:34:18] NL007 : who knows
[2016-10-31 19:34:57] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Greg: where did that word "consistently" suddenly come from? youre turning a hard criteria into a soft criteria?
[2016-10-31 19:35:36] lopol : wurstgeele why you are being so smartass?
[2016-10-31 19:35:58] jordanbitfort : cuz he longed zec at .45
[2016-10-31 19:36:03] wurstgelee : because rules where changed enough for zec
[2016-10-31 19:36:09] zecz : alot of buyers are waiting for ZEC to stop falling
[2016-10-31 19:36:21] BitMEX_Greg : wurstgelee: we cannot mark it straight away as it hits 1000. This needs to be shown consistently.
[2016-10-31 19:36:21] zecz : maybe its going to stable here and raise for a couple of days
[2016-10-31 19:37:31] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Greg: why didnt u write that into your statement? this way it looks like its a made up spontaneous excuse to not mark it...
[2016-10-31 19:38:51] BitMEX_Sam : wurstgelee: The statement said that it was at our discretion, and it certainly did not say that we would immediately announce intent to mark as soon as volume was over 1000 ZEC.
[2016-10-31 19:39:03] BitMEX_Sam : Be patient.
[2016-10-31 19:39:36] sleger : only 3 coins have 1000btc of volume on polo
[2016-10-31 19:39:45] zecz : whats the deal about "mark it"? why does it matter ?
[2016-10-31 19:39:45] jordanbitfort : wurst go trade it on woodchipper if u think it will go up so much lol
[2016-10-31 19:40:09] lopol : When ZEC contantly gets 1000 volume is the mark price completely poloniex price or some combination?
[2016-10-31 19:40:15] BitMEX_Sam : It doesn't matter that much @zecz.
[2016-10-31 19:40:19] wurstgelee : lopol: combination
[2016-10-31 19:40:24] sleger : 1000zec volume is only possible if zec goes down
[2016-10-31 19:40:25] BitMEX_Sam : lopol: See https://blog.bitmex.com/site_announcement/note-on-zec-price-cap/
[2016-10-31 19:40:28] wurstgelee : marking wont cause instant liquidations
[2016-10-31 19:40:44] NL007 : sleger: or supply grow
[2016-10-31 19:40:55] zecz : its just which exchange the price will be taken from 31 dec?
[2016-10-31 19:40:59] sleger : NL007: supply will grow that's not even a question
[2016-10-31 19:41:01] zecz : for cash settlements
[2016-10-31 19:41:04] wurstgelee : sleger: yes. that.
[2016-10-31 19:41:34] NL007 : sleger: the more coins mined the more sells
[2016-10-31 19:41:36] wurstgelee : it cant keep 1000 zec volume other than dumping
[2016-10-31 19:41:48] wurstgelee : if it stays there, on that level, volume will die down
[2016-10-31 19:42:22] NL007 : 1015 zec volume
[2016-10-31 19:42:39] wurstgelee : if consistently is a criteria you could as well translate it with "it will be marked when zec dumped and stays down for a longer period of time"
[2016-10-31 19:42:45] zecz : why are you afraid of zecz16 getting marked to polo?
[2016-10-31 19:42:50] wurstgelee : dunno
[2016-10-31 19:42:56] HostFat_ : BitMEX_Greg
[2016-10-31 19:42:56] HostFat_ : 24hr Volume: 905.44118494 BTC / 1015.47948968 ZEC
[2016-10-31 19:43:01] wurstgelee : they just dont want to it seems ;)
[2016-10-31 19:43:06] prospecta : mark to polo 2016!
[2016-10-31 19:43:06] BitMEX_Greg : HostFat_: Point being?\
[2016-10-31 19:43:07] HjP : jordanbitfort, what is woodchipper?
[2016-10-31 19:43:42] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Greg: how can zec possible keep 1000 zec volume if its traded above 1 btc or even higher?
[2016-10-31 19:43:48] wurstgelee : without dumping?
[2016-10-31 19:43:52] wurstgelee : *pissibly
[2016-10-31 19:43:54] wurstgelee : jbfdkjdfF
[2016-10-31 19:43:58] wurstgelee : possibly
[2016-10-31 19:43:59] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-31 19:44:24] BitMEX_Greg : wurstgelee: Can you try again? I don't understand the question
[2016-10-31 19:44:38] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Greg: imagine zec stays where it is
[2016-10-31 19:44:42] wurstgelee : 1.4 btc per zec
[2016-10-31 19:44:43] wurstgelee : right now
[2016-10-31 19:44:52] wurstgelee : and it happens that it stabilizes there...the price
[2016-10-31 19:45:02] lopol : wurstgelee: but it wont
[2016-10-31 19:45:06] wurstgelee : its impossible that it keeps that volume - 1000zec - it has reached nnow
[2016-10-31 19:45:16] BitMEX_Greg : I disagree entirely
[2016-10-31 19:45:23] wurstgelee : lopol: my point is, the requirement cant be met if its sideways or up
[2016-10-31 19:45:29] BitMEX_Greg : Just because there is price stability doesn't mean trades don't happen
[2016-10-31 19:45:37] zecz : volume will ofc go up, there is just 1500 ZEC out there
[2016-10-31 19:45:57] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Greg: thats obvious. u dont agree that 1000 zec volume can be reached a lot easier when its down than when its up? btc wise?
[2016-10-31 19:46:01] wurstgelee : lol?
[2016-10-31 19:46:28] zecz : why does it matter wurst?
[2016-10-31 19:46:41] wurstgelee : 1000 zec @ .1 btc-> 100 btc. 1000 zec @ 1 btc -> 1000 btc?
[2016-10-31 19:46:46] wurstgelee : see the difference? ;)
[2016-10-31 19:46:53] BitMEX_Greg : wurstgelee: Yes and what's your point
[2016-10-31 19:46:58] zecz : why does it matter?
[2016-10-31 19:47:15] zecz : mark or not marked, I dont understand
[2016-10-31 19:47:46] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Greg: that your consistently 100 zec volume cant be met while zec is expensive. which means it will be marked once it dumped. not earlier. a consistent volume would only make sense btc-wise
[2016-10-31 19:47:53] wurstgelee : as criteria
[2016-10-31 19:48:00] wurstgelee : *1000 zec volume
[2016-10-31 19:48:52] wurstgelee : got my point now? ;)
[2016-10-31 19:49:01] zecz : if its unmarked it wont settle for cash at a given rate?
[2016-10-31 19:49:12] zecz : in dec 16*
[2016-10-31 19:49:15] sleger : BitMEX_Greg: if you dont understand his point here is a simpler comparison : volume of btcusd on exchanges, is much higher in btc when btc is low. What matters is USD volume for BTCUSD. For ZECBTC what matters is BTC volume not zec
[2016-10-31 19:49:27] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-10-31 19:49:55] BitMEX_Sam : We decided that ZEC was a more important metric due to the outlandish prices it was originally trading at
[2016-10-31 19:50:11] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: you see where the problem is tho?
[2016-10-31 19:50:16] wurstgelee : with that?
[2016-10-31 19:50:17] BitMEX_Sam : The point is that we want to wait until trading reaches stability and the supply shock is over.
[2016-10-31 19:50:33] sleger : volume in USD is much more constant that volume in USD for BTCUSD dont you agree ?
[2016-10-31 19:50:53] BitMEX_Sam : Please read what I just said. We considered it more important that healthy supply is present
[2016-10-31 19:51:10] BitMEX_Sam : The point is, we don't want to mark to an index that will jump hundreds of a percent at a time because there isn't enough supply for it to trade sanely.
[2016-10-31 19:51:19] BitMEX_Sam : This is what we saw in the first two days, especially.
[2016-10-31 19:51:19] wurstgelee : why didnt u decide that marking will happen at x total supply in the first place?
[2016-10-31 19:51:27] wurstgelee : why so complicated?
[2016-10-31 19:51:28] sleger : well I read you said it was a decision, i just dont think it makes sense, for the reasons i explained
[2016-10-31 19:51:30] BitMEX_Sam : Because the leading market could change.
[2016-10-31 19:51:36] BitMEX_Sam : What is so complicated about 1000 ZEC per day wurstgelee?
[2016-10-31 19:51:41] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: i was talking toal supply mined
[2016-10-31 19:51:46] sleger : for instance, even when ZEC was trading at absurd prices, the BTC volume was very low
[2016-10-31 19:51:50] BitMEX_Sam : This is our decision, and it is final, and the actual choice to mark is also at our own discretion.
[2016-10-31 19:51:50] wurstgelee : not total supply on any exchange
[2016-10-31 19:52:01] prospecta : meanwhile ZEC starts pumping again