This is a mirror of the original BitMEX trollbox archive that used to be online here.
BitMEX disabled their archive after the DDOS attack so I have decided to make my mirror publicly available.

Well now, a few days after I made this mirror available to the public, the original archive from BitMEX is online again.
But since it is still limited (neutered to the last few hundred messages) I will keep my FULL mirror alive.

You have access to more than 50 million trollbox posts. This is more than 7 gigabyte of data hosted on a $5 server so please be patient or consider a donation

<<  >>  English  中文  Русский  한국어  日本語  Español  Français 
[2016-10-20 20:26:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 66 @ 0.01912
[2016-10-20 21:45:08] billyboy402 : Can some one tell me the funding rate for. Eth . I can't see the rate on mobile
[2016-10-20 21:48:26] habibi : 0.157%
[2016-10-20 21:50:11] billyboy402 : Thx
[2016-10-20 21:50:48] billyboy402 : it slowly. Coming down next one will prob be -0.1
[2016-10-20 22:33:33] wurstgelee : quiet day in trolling biz
[2016-10-20 22:34:57] justinlooking : volatility is kill
[2016-10-21 00:18:43] martinium : Real quiet in here
[2016-10-21 00:25:36] martinium : Traders sleeping lol
[2016-10-21 00:28:23] Gr33d : zzz
[2016-10-21 00:32:51] laisee : wake me up 12 hours before ZEC lists.
[2016-10-21 02:05:02] martinium : Hehe that will be some good volatility
[2016-10-21 03:35:28] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 41 @ 629.01
[2016-10-21 03:35:28] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 54 @ 629.02
[2016-10-21 04:06:24] billyboy402 : opps ,. i mish i didnt market close that Eth order
[2016-10-21 04:15:35] mjones : isnt ZEC in 1 week
[2016-10-21 04:16:05] CaptainDean : i thnk so
[2016-10-21 05:45:36] XXXX : 1 week to ZEC launch. I hope ZEC shorters have enough funds to ride the fomo wave which will push ZEC price to parity at launch. My longs would hate to get ADLed in profit at 0.5 BTC just because the shorters are running out of funds.
[2016-10-21 08:14:50] Boontjie : XXXX: Or the shorters would get ADLed because your longs run out of funds
[2016-10-21 08:31:29] MCT : when contract expires, what is the strike price? mark price?
[2016-10-21 08:39:04] wurstgelee : read contract details
[2016-10-21 08:39:10] wurstgelee : everything there
[2016-10-21 14:45:17] wurstgelee : dead chat
[2016-10-21 14:45:22] mjones : yeah
[2016-10-21 14:45:32] mjones : surprised i woke up and could still see my message from before i went to bed
[2016-10-21 14:45:38] wurstgelee : oh, another one alive ;)
[2016-10-21 14:45:43] wurstgelee : yep, same
[2016-10-21 14:46:04] mjones : some movement in a few coins
[2016-10-21 14:46:16] mjones : xmr going down
[2016-10-21 14:46:44] wurstgelee : 7 days to zcash
[2016-10-21 14:46:51] mjones : pumped for that
[2016-10-21 14:47:00] wurstgelee : yes ;)
[2016-10-21 14:47:13] wurstgelee : nicely executed for an exit pump tho
[2016-10-21 14:49:00] mjones : lol xmr
[2016-10-21 14:49:06] wurstgelee : .01 is a dangerous area
[2016-10-21 14:49:13] wurstgelee : i dont touch it atm
[2016-10-21 14:49:24] mjones : as soon as i start talking about it someone market buys it up 2%
[2016-10-21 14:49:50] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-10-21 14:49:56] wurstgelee : thats what i was talking about ;)
[2016-10-21 14:51:58] martinium : China devalued CNY some more should have a positive effect on BTC these coming weeks
[2016-10-21 14:54:40] mjones : that's good news
[2016-10-21 14:59:08] BitMEX_Greg : Surprised that it hasn't flowed through to prices yet, this whole past week we have been seeing devaluations
[2016-10-21 15:00:30] Kalman : Nov 8th!
[2016-10-21 15:06:27] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Greg: same
[2016-10-21 15:07:08] BitMEX_Greg : Still, Bitcoin has been a bit lagged when it comes to devals
[2016-10-21 15:16:37] laisee : Calm b4 the fork, p'raps
[2016-10-21 15:17:25] wurstgelee : someone or some guys really want xmr to go up from here
[2016-10-21 15:18:04] Rado : I don't see the appeal of ZEC
[2016-10-21 15:18:09] wurstgelee : last hurrah before dump prior to zcash launch maybe
[2016-10-21 15:18:14] Rado : the only thing going for it is the small float
[2016-10-21 15:18:29] arbitrage001 : Rado: that is true for almost all alt coins
[2016-10-21 15:18:41] wurstgelee : truely anonymous transactions maybe? no premine? btc-like distribution curve
[2016-10-21 15:18:45] wurstgelee : to name some
[2016-10-21 15:18:46] Rado : arbitrage001: that's why I like BTC only
[2016-10-21 15:18:47] wurstgelee : no?
[2016-10-21 15:18:54] arbitrage001 : even for btc
[2016-10-21 15:19:11] arbitrage001 : to some extend
[2016-10-21 15:19:21] wurstgelee : also zooko has a name
[2016-10-21 15:19:28] wurstgelee : (thats the lead dev)
[2016-10-21 15:20:01] wurstgelee : if u dont see why zcash is different from other alts, u should do ur homework imo =)
[2016-10-21 15:20:14] BitMEX_Greg : Only issue with Zcash is that you won't be able to know if they are mining in the background that is not contributing to the total amount (I think)
[2016-10-21 15:20:42] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Greg: excess supply would be visible at once
[2016-10-21 15:20:48] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: coin might be different, but human nature rarely change
[2016-10-21 15:21:04] arbitrage001 : and zcash it developed by human
[2016-10-21 15:21:09] arbitrage001 : is
[2016-10-21 15:21:10] BitMEX_Greg : wurstgelee: I remember reading somewhere that there was an issue with that though? Did they get a fix for it?
[2016-10-21 15:21:32] wurstgelee : it about some seeds or keys iirc
[2016-10-21 15:21:57] wurstgelee : iirc its theoretically possible they generate more keys than they say they do
[2016-10-21 15:22:33] wurstgelee : which would enable them to change network parameters without miners consent or something
[2016-10-21 15:22:58] arbitrage001 : how nice for the development team
[2016-10-21 15:23:30] wurstgelee : yeah, i recall reading how they are adressing the issue.
[2016-10-21 15:23:59] wurstgelee : i forgot the facts because it was late and a had a few glasses but i remember being atisfied with the info
[2016-10-21 15:24:01] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-10-21 15:24:07] wurstgelee : *s
[2016-10-21 15:25:00] BitMEX_Greg : Ok cool I will check it out again
[2016-10-21 15:41:56] Rado : first Zcash transactions
[2016-10-21 15:41:57] Rado : https://explorer.testnet.z.cash/tx/1c2a9faa81403643b8d17de905db64bb9c6e50a49ac9cc5688588d676efd5687
[2016-10-21 15:42:30] Rado : well first signed by Trezor
[2016-10-21 15:46:18] BigDaddyBigDick : someone should fill my order on zec
[2016-10-21 15:46:21] wurstgelee : so the ticker is TAZ
[2016-10-21 15:46:31] wurstgelee : or will be
[2016-10-21 15:46:49] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Greg: u should rename your ZEC to TAZ contracts ;)
[2016-10-21 15:47:20] wurstgelee : BigDaddyBigDick: hard to get longs filled there
[2016-10-21 15:47:30] wurstgelee : if u dont want to smash asks
[2016-10-21 15:47:36] wurstgelee : lots of hidden orders ;)
[2016-10-21 15:48:28] BigDaddyBigDick : wurstgelee: ya ive noticed aha been waiting so long. Someone wants me to buy at market :(
[2016-10-21 15:48:49] BitMEX_Greg : wurstgelee: What does the TAZ stand for?
[2016-10-21 15:49:02] wurstgelee : i didnt check
[2016-10-21 15:49:11] wurstgelee : truely anonymous zcash?
[2016-10-21 15:49:13] wurstgelee : no clue
[2016-10-21 15:49:15] wurstgelee : just a wild guess
[2016-10-21 15:49:16] wurstgelee : :p
[2016-10-21 15:50:16] wurstgelee : oh lol
[2016-10-21 15:50:23] wurstgelee : apparently thats only for testnet
[2016-10-21 15:50:25] wurstgelee : TAZ
[2016-10-21 15:50:26] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-21 15:50:50] BitMEX_Greg : Yeah, thought it was a weird code to go with
[2016-10-21 15:50:57] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-10-21 15:51:00] wurstgelee : ZEC is correct
[2016-10-21 15:51:01] wurstgelee : nvm =)
[2016-10-21 15:51:31] BitMEX_Greg : NP thanks for the info tho
[2016-10-21 15:56:34] Rado : that was testnet?
[2016-10-21 15:56:40] Rado : didn't know either :-)
[2016-10-21 18:01:30] sleger : These JPY contracts are working very well
[2016-10-21 18:01:59] sleger : I see there have already been 3 trades since the 12pm utc thingy !
[2016-10-21 18:29:13] mjones : cant believe twitter is still down
[2016-10-21 18:31:46] justinlooking : where is it out?
[2016-10-21 18:35:47] mjones : not sure if it is everywhere
[2016-10-21 18:35:49] mjones : paypal is down too
[2016-10-21 18:37:15] sleger : i read it is only down for americans east coast
[2016-10-21 18:37:29] +1 : mjones: where in the world are you? twitter/paypal works fine for me
[2016-10-21 18:37:32] sleger : who are you going to vote for ? @mjones
[2016-10-21 18:37:55] BTCDJS : twitter is down for me in UK
[2016-10-21 18:39:50] mjones : lol
[2016-10-21 18:39:59] mjones : trump
[2016-10-21 18:40:14] mjones : but technically i'm not from USA
[2016-10-21 18:40:17] mjones : since USA people cant be on here
[2016-10-21 18:40:41] arbitrage001 : mjones: why trump?
[2016-10-21 18:40:47] arbitrage001 : not saying alternative is better
[2016-10-21 18:40:54] mjones : cause he's better than the other
[2016-10-21 18:41:06] arbitrage001 : why not stay at home and watch porn
[2016-10-21 18:41:07] BigDaddyBigDick : crazy russian hackers lol
[2016-10-21 18:41:17] BTCDJS : Ha Ha Ha! No he is an idiot
[2016-10-21 18:41:39] mjones : he knows the smart people
[2016-10-21 18:42:19] arbitrage001 : all politicians know smart people
[2016-10-21 18:42:30] arbitrage001 : being smart is pretty meaningless in modern world
[2016-10-21 18:42:31] BTCDJS : Makes no difference if his ego disagrees with them
[2016-10-21 18:43:03] BTCDJS : I suppose the empire had to end some day
[2016-10-21 18:43:21] BTCDJS : Would be a funny way to end
[2016-10-21 18:43:32] mjones : hillary will allow more people to come in and work tech jobs on the cheap which makes my life harder
[2016-10-21 18:43:38] BTCDJS : Can you imagine? lol
[2016-10-21 18:43:58] arbitrage001 : mjones: the alternative is outsourcing, equally bad
[2016-10-21 18:44:25] arbitrage001 : and the service industry
[2016-10-21 18:44:25] BTCDJS : mjones: I can't believe its come to a choice between those two.
[2016-10-21 18:44:28] arbitrage001 : will suffer
[2016-10-21 18:44:37] arbitrage001 : cant even work as waitress or waiter
[2016-10-21 18:44:39] mjones : the crime is getting worse and the effects of the crime - looting and shit is from the hillary camp
[2016-10-21 18:45:18] arbitrage001 : looting and shit are usually from welfare receipients
[2016-10-21 18:45:23] arbitrage001 : children of them
[2016-10-21 18:45:28] mjones : because all the jobs left
[2016-10-21 18:45:47] BTCDJS : Yeah I'm not advocating hillary. but at least with her it will be same as its always been to tied US over until next election
[2016-10-21 18:46:02] mjones : grow up and become a factory worker cause you're not that smart
[2016-10-21 18:46:14] mjones : but a lot of those jobs left
[2016-10-21 18:46:21] mjones : or mexicans do it on the cheap
[2016-10-21 18:46:50] mjones : go to atlanta during the day and you'll be like doesn't anyone work...
[2016-10-21 18:47:27] BTCDJS : neo capitalism is to blame
[2016-10-21 18:47:36] arbitrage001 : all of them get support from government?
[2016-10-21 18:48:37] mjones : 35% of americans get welfare according to a 2013 report
[2016-10-21 18:49:25] mjones : unemployment number is sky high because they stop counting you after so many months
[2016-10-21 18:49:41] mjones : they say like 7% when it's way higher
[2016-10-21 18:50:16] arbitrage001 : mjones: there is no riot on the street?
[2016-10-21 18:50:55] arbitrage001 : what do you do?
[2016-10-21 18:50:57] mjones : that's the thing. the media is so much in bed with the government we the people don't really know what is going on. they only tell us what they want us to know
[2016-10-21 18:51:04] mjones : computer networking
[2016-10-21 18:51:27] arbitrage001 : and company refuse to hire american?
[2016-10-21 18:51:41] BTCDJS : mjones: You mean Us figuratively right? Cos ur not in the US
[2016-10-21 18:51:43] mjones : no they will hire americans too
[2016-10-21 18:51:45] BTCDJS : wink
[2016-10-21 18:51:59] mjones : wink wink
[2016-10-21 18:52:12] mjones : but a lot of indians
[2016-10-21 18:52:21] mjones : who try to marry so they can stay in america
[2016-10-21 18:52:38] mjones : almost fell in that trap
[2016-10-21 18:52:42] arbitrage001 : you should try to exploit the system
[2016-10-21 18:52:56] arbitrage001 : i know i would if i am in your shoes
[2016-10-21 18:53:08] mjones : i wish i knew how
[2016-10-21 18:53:14] mjones : i would love to get a welfare check every month
[2016-10-21 18:53:16] mjones : or food stamps
[2016-10-21 18:55:28] mjones : anyone watch the donald trump rallies?
[2016-10-21 18:55:41] BTCDJS : By the by. What is a food stamp? how does it work? Is it like a currency?
[2016-10-21 18:55:42] arbitrage001 : nope
[2016-10-21 18:56:53] mjones : food stamps is like a credit card that you can only buy food with from places that accept your card
[2016-10-21 18:57:10] mjones : so often time you have people selling $100 worth of food stamps for $60 cash
[2016-10-21 18:57:25] mjones : so they can buy what they want
[2016-10-21 18:57:26] arbitrage001 : is it easy to get food stamp?
[2016-10-21 18:57:54] arbitrage001 : 40% margin business, must be nice
[2016-10-21 18:58:16] arbitrage001 : you should trade food stamp rather than bitcoin
[2016-10-21 18:58:27] BTCDJS : lol
[2016-10-21 18:58:44] mjones : yeah very hard. you gotta basically not be working to qualify
[2016-10-21 18:59:04] mjones : or i guess very easy if you are a lazy sack of shit that doesnt do anything
[2016-10-21 18:59:06] BTCDJS : till you get caught! Wouldn't like to go to their jails or prisons
[2016-10-21 19:00:02] mjones : like the job i had before i barely made enough for myself to get by. i would have needed 3 kids to qualify for food stamps.
[2016-10-21 19:02:01] arbitrage001 : so
[2016-10-21 19:02:11] arbitrage001 : being in US is not all rosy
[2016-10-21 19:02:12] arbitrage001 : ?
[2016-10-21 19:02:16] mjones : right
[2016-10-21 19:02:18] arbitrage001 : like movie portrait
[2016-10-21 19:02:29] arbitrage001 : attractive girls and beach
[2016-10-21 19:02:30] mjones : like amazon is trying something new out where they don't hire full time if they can help it
[2016-10-21 19:02:44] mjones : because shit is so crazy that it is cheaper to try doing that
[2016-10-21 19:03:13] mjones : media all the way to the BBC and shit should not be watched
[2016-10-21 19:03:31] arbitrage001 : you mean only watch bbc?
[2016-10-21 19:03:31] mjones : cities in the usa are going bankrupt and needing bailouts
[2016-10-21 19:03:42] arbitrage001 : or bbc not to be trusted?
[2016-10-21 19:03:47] mjones : i mean the bbc news is just as bad as the american news media
[2016-10-21 19:04:09] mjones : the big news medias are just PR machines for the government
[2016-10-21 19:04:13] mjones : to make them look better
[2016-10-21 19:04:44] arbitrage001 : middle class is wipe out?
[2016-10-21 19:04:52] arbitrage001 : i know where i live is
[2016-10-21 19:04:56] arbitrage001 : malaysia
[2016-10-21 19:05:02] arbitrage001 : only rich, and poor
[2016-10-21 19:05:04] arbitrage001 : no middle
[2016-10-21 19:05:20] mjones : it is. but partly because people don't know how to live with a budget nor know the best way to manage their money
[2016-10-21 19:05:32] mjones : but also because wages dont go up and people want more stuff
[2016-10-21 19:05:55] mjones : and then dont even get me started on obamacare
[2016-10-21 19:06:03] mjones : that's killing peoples wallets too
[2016-10-21 19:06:06] arbitrage001 : free health care?
[2016-10-21 19:06:19] mjones : we gotta pay / have it cause it's the law
[2016-10-21 19:06:44] mjones : like $65 a month for the cheapest for me
[2016-10-21 19:06:54] mjones : and it doesnt cover much so if i get hurt i'm screwed anyways
[2016-10-21 19:07:01] arbitrage001 : o
[2016-10-21 19:07:05] arbitrage001 : was going to say not that bad
[2016-10-21 19:07:06] mjones : for some people it is like $700 a month going to $1800 a month
[2016-10-21 19:07:14] arbitrage001 : cuz major operation cost a ton
[2016-10-21 19:07:19] mjones : cause they have families and make enough that they should be able to afford it
[2016-10-21 19:07:42] mjones : and it's just getting jacked up because of how little competition there is
[2016-10-21 19:08:02] arbitrage001 : free money for insurance company?
[2016-10-21 19:08:09] mjones : basically. they are making bank
[2016-10-21 19:08:15] mjones : same with pill prices / other medicine
[2016-10-21 19:08:27] arbitrage001 : who benefit in the US if many suffering?
[2016-10-21 19:08:27] mjones : because no one will stop them because the government is in on it
[2016-10-21 19:08:40] mjones : other countries
[2016-10-21 19:08:59] mjones : which is where all the money is coming from. people pay hillary clinton for favors
[2016-10-21 19:09:31] mjones : because if the US doesnt have jobs and crime all the money / companies / jobs will move elsewhere
[2016-10-21 19:09:56] arbitrage001 : most 3rd world suffering now also
[2016-10-21 19:10:05] arbitrage001 : even 2nd world
[2016-10-21 19:10:11] arbitrage001 : so
[2016-10-21 19:10:12] mjones : yeah cause all the money is being hoarded
[2016-10-21 19:10:20] arbitrage001 : wont call other countries benefiting from the system
[2016-10-21 19:10:38] mjones : countries maybe not but US is the highest taxed
[2016-10-21 19:10:43] mjones : so businesses are better off leaving
[2016-10-21 19:10:53] mjones : and money isn't coming back into the US because of the high tax
[2016-10-21 19:11:09] mjones : but companies can dump their product on the US for us to buy
[2016-10-21 19:11:31] arbitrage001 : market will dry up if no one has money
[2016-10-21 19:11:53] mjones : if you read zerohedge their dooms day shit is spooky
[2016-10-21 19:12:09] arbitrage001 : not that accurate
[2016-10-21 19:12:17] arbitrage001 : zerohedge mostly try to stir up shit
[2016-10-21 19:12:21] sleger : zerohedge has been predicting the end of the world since they started writing
[2016-10-21 19:12:23] arbitrage001 : from the few articles i read
[2016-10-21 19:12:44] mjones : yeah and i believe shit has been able to be kicked down the road for many years
[2016-10-21 19:12:55] sleger : even at 1200 they said to short s&p, it will only get much worse
[2016-10-21 19:13:00] sleger : well, good trade...
[2016-10-21 19:14:23] mjones : i think Bitcoin has changed how people will look at things. why keep bailing banks out when people may just move to or something like Bitcoin
[2016-10-21 19:14:29] arbitrage001 : microsoft was making new high yesterday
[2016-10-21 19:14:39] arbitrage001 : 17 years high
[2016-10-21 19:14:53] arbitrage001 : wonder what product they sold
[2016-10-21 19:14:53] mjones : maybe because microsoft bought linkedin
[2016-10-21 19:15:00] arbitrage001 : well
[2016-10-21 19:15:06] arbitrage001 : you need to buy something of value
[2016-10-21 19:15:08] mjones : Microsoft reports rising revenues thanks to Office, Surface, and cloud services
[2016-10-21 19:15:21] mjones : i guess more people moving to the cloud
[2016-10-21 19:15:35] mjones : and moving towards the surface instead of laptops / desktops
[2016-10-21 19:15:43] arbitrage001 : i dont think anyone i know use cloud other than the one from apple
[2016-10-21 19:16:11] mjones : people are trying to make it so you are using the cloud but you'll never know
[2016-10-21 19:18:15] mjones : this is why i think an anonymous coin will do well
[2016-10-21 19:18:31] mjones : or multiple anon coins
[2016-10-21 19:18:51] mjones : cause keeping your money in multiple anon coins just incase something happens
[2016-10-21 19:18:58] arbitrage001 : too many crooks work on crypto industry
[2016-10-21 19:19:05] mjones : dash, xmr, sdc, zec
[2016-10-21 19:26:06] mjones : xmr hit the 50% retracement point and bounced
[2016-10-21 19:34:36] mjones : in b4 some xmr whale decides to randomly dump 20k killing the rally
[2016-10-21 19:39:40] martinium : bitcoin hopefully pumps beyond $700 in next few weeks
[2016-10-21 19:42:38] Kalman : martinium: selling that till Nov 8th
[2016-10-21 19:43:30] Kalman : but who knows with polls in favor for Clinton
[2016-10-21 19:56:39] martinium : I hope that demon doesn't win
[2016-10-21 19:56:52] martinium : the fact she is still running is ridiculous
[2016-10-21 19:57:22] Kalman : martinium: whats the deamon for you?
[2016-10-21 19:57:38] martinium : Clinton i evil
[2016-10-21 19:57:41] martinium : is*
[2016-10-21 19:57:52] Kalman : ;)
[2016-10-21 19:59:25] Kalman : lets see; Obama suppoted Remain and failed ... and polls are another thing.
[2016-10-21 20:01:35] martinium : polls are nonsense
[2016-10-21 20:02:05] martinium : the sample sizes are usually small
[2016-10-21 20:02:14] martinium : or taken in biased areas
[2016-10-21 20:03:05] Kalman : anyway, US monetary policy will stay put till election. Therefore XBTUSD flat ...
[2016-10-21 20:03:21] Kalman : as Brexit vote ;)
[2016-10-21 20:15:22] Kalman : Is there any real world use for Zcash? Can I buy food with it or anything else somewhere?
[2016-10-21 20:22:43] wurstgelee : it isnt even launched yet.....
[2016-10-21 20:23:29] wurstgelee : only testnet so far, mainnet will be launched in a week
[2016-10-21 20:24:48] Kalman : exactly, has any shop announced to accept it?
[2016-10-21 20:24:54] martinium : its going to become the new underground currency and is supposed to be anonymous for everything
[2016-10-21 20:25:00] martinium : too early for that
[2016-10-21 20:25:17] martinium : zcash should have been implementations into main bitcoin protocol
[2016-10-21 20:25:23] martinium : but it is what it is
[2016-10-21 20:25:29] martinium : yet another altcoin
[2016-10-21 20:25:52] martinium : focus should be on bitcoin to help it gain mass adoption then altcoins can come in
[2016-10-21 20:34:31] mjones : xmr train get your ticket
[2016-10-21 20:34:51] mjones : you cant just up and change BTC like that
[2016-10-21 20:35:14] mjones : i bet people would buy into BTC if they knew it wouldnt change
[2016-10-21 20:35:26] mjones : just a place to park your money
[2016-10-21 21:07:21] mjones : xmr up
[2016-10-21 21:07:23] Kalman : mjones: but what are all this scaling initiatives in BTC ?! Pay up to get your transaction done or move somewhere else ...
[2016-10-21 21:07:52] mjones : benefit of BTC is that most of the coins have been mined.
[2016-10-21 21:08:14] mjones : and localbitcoins.com is huge
[2016-10-21 21:08:41] mjones : but true slow transactions will be a problem. so hopefully bigger blocks
[2016-10-21 21:09:51] Kalman : mjones: again, pay to get you transaction done! Not screwing the system.
[2016-10-21 21:12:31] mjones : yeah. i dont need BTC to do anything other than push transactions through
[2016-10-21 21:18:18] mjones : ltc/btc some buys
[2016-10-21 21:21:43] mjones : bigger buys
[2016-10-21 21:34:30] mjones : there is my xmr bearwhale
[2016-10-21 21:38:22] MCT : so... Zcash has the potential to be a huge short when it hits open market
[2016-10-21 21:38:34] MCT : too bad only 2x
[2016-10-21 21:39:20] MrRGnome : MCT: Be careful. It's going to be a massive pump before it ever shorts.
[2016-10-21 21:39:39] MrRGnome : Trying to call the top could be a dangerous game.
[2016-10-21 21:39:57] MCT : well, most all new coins dump before pump
[2016-10-21 21:40:14] MrRGnome : Most new coins have a supply.
[2016-10-21 21:40:34] MCT : but yeah, it will be fun to JUST watch
[2016-10-21 21:40:54] MrRGnome : I'm just doing my moral obligation when I say to you and everyone considering making a move on zcash, much as I am, to be very careful.
[2016-10-21 21:41:24] MCT : oh, i agree with you
[2016-10-21 21:41:45] MCT : what is zcash supply?
[2016-10-21 21:41:52] MrRGnome : The coin has fucked up fundamentals, specifically designed for a pump and dump.
[2016-10-21 21:42:17] MrRGnome : The supply starts at 0 coinbase reward for genesis block, literally 0.
[2016-10-21 21:42:37] MrRGnome : It graduates to 12.5 every 2.5 minutes or 7200/day after 34 days of mining
[2016-10-21 21:42:52] MrRGnome : After the first month in total of mining there will only be 100k coins.
[2016-10-21 21:43:35] MCT : 100k total supply?
[2016-10-21 21:43:38] MrRGnome : It will take over 6 months for the supply to start significantly diluting the price at more than a trickle
[2016-10-21 21:43:45] MCT : oh
[2016-10-21 21:43:56] MrRGnome : 21 million total supply
[2016-10-21 21:44:03] MrRGnome : 10% of all mining rewards to founders
[2016-10-21 21:44:28] MCT : oh wait, there wasnt any ICO?
[2016-10-21 21:44:37] MCT : i did not follow much with it
[2016-10-21 21:44:59] MrRGnome : So yeah, when i say 'be careful' it's because a tonnage of people have the smart idea you have, and so they place what they feel are perfectly reasonable shorts at say 0.5 BTC.
[2016-10-21 21:45:28] MrRGnome : But it's going to take 3 months before the supply is large enough to drop the price of any significant market cap
[2016-10-21 21:45:47] MCT : i see
[2016-10-21 21:46:06] MrRGnome : I don't know man. I'm just a guy. But I do know be careful.
[2016-10-21 21:50:04] Kalman : What about, useless coin, supply doesn't matter?
[2016-10-21 21:51:12] MrRGnome : a perfectly fair conjecture, I welcome you to short at the current price.
[2016-10-21 21:53:32] Kalman : nice spread
[2016-10-21 21:54:03] Kalman : 0.03!!
[2016-10-21 21:54:22] Kalman : where are you bidding?
[2016-10-21 21:54:57] MrRGnome : I'm not bidding at all. I'm waiting until the top is in and riding the long short.
[2016-10-21 21:55:31] MrRGnome : But I'm perfectly aware of how insanely high the short term top could be, and so should everyone else looking for the top.
[2016-10-21 21:56:36] Kalman : blah blah blah
[2016-10-21 21:58:30] Kalman : So, you are the man that can call the top!! I'm looking for you for years !!
[2016-10-21 21:58:34] cryptobull : majority seems to think less than $10 lol: https://twitter.com/Crypto_God/status/789411041608241152
[2016-10-21 22:00:06] Kalman : Be alarmed when you find yourself on the side of the majority!!
[2016-10-21 22:00:22] MrRGnome : Is what you're saying even coherent? @Kalman
[2016-10-21 22:00:45] Kalman : Not at all
[2016-10-21 22:12:14] Kalman : “Contradictions do not exist. Whenever you think that you are facing a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong.” ― Ayn Rand
[2016-10-21 22:16:49] Kalman : Finally found the quote
[2016-10-21 22:17:35] Kalman : Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. Mark Twain
[2016-10-21 22:17:40] mjones : lol xmr
[2016-10-21 22:18:26] Kalman : 5% move whats so funny?
[2016-10-21 22:18:50] mjones : bearwhale failed at knocking down price
[2016-10-21 22:53:43] mjones : damn and sold back down
[2016-10-21 23:37:39] AudibleScience : hey any admins here?
[2016-10-21 23:38:46] AudibleScience : how come a lot of my ADL lights are on?
[2016-10-21 23:41:27] mjones : usual always are
[2016-10-21 23:41:49] mjones : i guess it depends what you trade and the leverage
[2016-10-21 23:47:18] AudibleScience : yeah but I thought the "Unrealised PNL" had to be positive to be on the top.
[2016-10-21 23:48:23] MrRGnome : AudibleScience: nope, even small losses can be force closed especially when there is no insurance fund
[2016-10-22 00:35:19] BitMEX_Jinming : AudibleScience: for the ADL ranking, first it estimates at which price there will be liquidation, then calculates your ranking at that price.
[2016-10-22 00:36:37] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Jinming: cheers
[2016-10-22 00:51:27] martinium : wonder whos bot keeps putting in order for only 50 bucks at a time
[2016-10-22 02:00:12] Rado : very slow
[2016-10-22 02:00:21] Rado : not only BTC is not moving
[2016-10-22 02:00:32] Rado : but also alt coins have been stuck for teh most part
[2016-10-22 02:05:36] laisee : because internet is down?
[2016-10-22 02:44:20] laisee : 1/2 joking ... any exchanges affected?
[2016-10-22 03:06:58] Rado : I did not have any internet interruptions yet
[2016-10-22 03:25:56] mjones : does this look like a good idea? http://i.imgur.com/T5AzGV2.jpg
[2016-10-22 03:29:42] Rado : lol
[2016-10-22 06:11:46] mjones : btc new high
[2016-10-22 06:11:52] mjones : where are those 100x margin calls
[2016-10-22 06:26:10] crypton00b : btc going even higher
[2016-10-22 06:34:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 150 @ 632.50
[2016-10-22 06:40:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 9 @ 632.72
[2016-10-22 08:00:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 59731 @ 634.15 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-10-22 09:57:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1000 @ 0.01886
[2016-10-22 10:52:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTCXBT`: Sell 237 @ 0.00601
[2016-10-22 12:00:05] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 15 @ 0.155631
[2016-10-22 12:00:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 9 @ 0.148247
[2016-10-22 12:00:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 4 @ 0.138751
[2016-10-22 12:01:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 547 @ 0.173855
[2016-10-22 12:01:08] habibi : buhahahahah
[2016-10-22 12:01:14] habibi : omg :D
[2016-10-22 12:01:20] habibi : nice shorter :D
[2016-10-22 12:03:14] dasdfasdf : mega rekt
[2016-10-22 12:03:30] dasdfasdf : 50+ BTC?
[2016-10-22 12:05:24] habibi : Good job shorter :)
[2016-10-22 12:20:34] esuvari : anyone from bitmex here?
[2016-10-22 12:25:34] esuvari : you are deliberately misleading people with the estimated liquidation price you show before entering a trade. stop it, it's been a month since I opened a ticket and nothing has been done.
[2016-10-22 12:25:38] Mm bot : This evil delerverage took out my ZEC long position from 0.14, sold at 0.18. Now I can't get back in easily
[2016-10-22 12:25:54] esuvari : remove it altogether at least, it's better than misleading.
[2016-10-22 12:26:16] dasdfasdf : zcash contract is fucked
[2016-10-22 12:26:48] esuvari : a 100x btc position shows the liquidation 9 dollars away when in fact it is only 3 dollars. this is unacceptable.
[2016-10-22 12:26:54] habibi : esuvari: u are the one that got liquidated on zcash?
[2016-10-22 12:27:10] esuvari : nope, I don't trade things that do not exist
[2016-10-22 12:27:26] k0d3 : lol.. my long deleveraged
[2016-10-22 12:27:51] k0d3 : from 0.15
[2016-10-22 12:27:55] habibi : sorry guys, needed to try liquidate that shorter,it worked :)
[2016-10-22 12:28:40] esuvari : seriously, does it only happen to me? is it a client side issue I wonder. how can people be ok with this?
[2016-10-22 12:29:03] habibi : esuvari: i have never had any issues with liquidation price, remember one position can affect another
[2016-10-22 12:29:11] habibi : esuvari: provide some screenshots
[2016-10-22 12:29:21] esuvari : I don't mean the one that's shown after you enter a position.
[2016-10-22 12:29:38] esuvari : I mean the one that displays when you hover on the buy (or sell) button
[2016-10-22 12:29:51] esuvari : https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.freshdesk.com/data/helpdesk/attachments/production/13010778637/original/ss.png?1473416051
[2016-10-22 12:30:41] esuvari : a 33x eth position's liquidation can't be 82 pips away. it should be more like 20 pips.
[2016-10-22 12:31:15] esuvari : this gravely misleads traders, gives them false confidence that liq. level is far away but when they enter a trade, they see the real liq. price.
[2016-10-22 12:33:41] esuvari : another, a more recent one: http://imgur.com/a/hldN2
[2016-10-22 12:34:30] esuvari : it says if I enter this 100x btc long at 635.5 trade I will be liquidated at 626.10
[2016-10-22 12:35:10] esuvari : but when I do enter a trade, I see that liq. price is in fact 632 something.
[2016-10-22 12:35:22] esuvari : 6 dollar difference is unacceptable
[2016-10-22 12:38:32] esuvari : seriously, this bothers no one?
[2016-10-22 12:38:37] XXXX : WTF bitmex. Zec long position ADLed at 20% profit. And i dont use leverage.
[2016-10-22 12:39:05] habibi : there was one big shorter with 547 position,and got liquidated thats why most of positions god ADLed
[2016-10-22 12:39:24] habibi : got*
[2016-10-22 12:39:51] XXXX : habibi: so much for their claim of "rare" events of ADL.
[2016-10-22 12:42:04] habibi : otherwise with old system u would get almost no profit above 0.181 today
[2016-10-22 12:42:44] habibi : how is that better?
[2016-10-22 12:45:04] habibi : not only today, probally there would not be a shorter to fill that liquidation and we would have dpe every day we have higher price then last rebalance
[2016-10-22 13:06:46] Mm bot : Wtf, why my winning long got delerveraged/liquidated. I thought your algo is against manipulation
[2016-10-22 13:12:54] sleger : liquidation is not the same as manipulation
[2016-10-22 13:13:04] XXXX : In ZEC, ADL traders are 80% and traders 20%. What a shame bitmex.
[2016-10-22 13:13:22] esuvari : Mm bot: that's exactly what it does. it says "now now, that's enough profit boys, see there are unfortunate ones that get rekt" to winning positions
[2016-10-22 13:13:45] esuvari : and takes away the chance from them to profit more
[2016-10-22 13:14:28] martinium : Means some noobs overleveraged and since liquidity is light they shave everyones profits for that instrument to avoid actual socialized losses
[2016-10-22 13:15:11] martinium : I think it is acceptable until volume grows more
[2016-10-22 13:15:43] martinium : once liquidity grows ADL events would be more rare
[2016-10-22 13:15:48] esuvari : how can you overleverage on an asset that only offers 2x?
[2016-10-22 13:15:58] XXXX : Leverage should be adapted to liquidity. Why is ZEC even allowed to trade at leverage. ZEC traders dont want leverage. Especially the one who are long.
[2016-10-22 13:16:00] esuvari : what's sensibly leveraged? 1.5x?
[2016-10-22 13:17:23] martinium : Any trading means someone has to lose for you to win thats how markets work. So those who leverage amplify this substantially
[2016-10-22 13:17:51] hazir : wondering if people are wack enough to buy zcash future at 0.23 again.
[2016-10-22 13:18:22] martinium : this is IMO a good environment for new traders to learn how leverage works with their own money because at least the ADL protects them from losing more than they put in.
[2016-10-22 13:18:25] XXXX : martinium: if ADL is supposed to be rare. Shouldnt bitmex adjust the leverage so as to make these events really rare.
[2016-10-22 13:18:47] esuvari : XXXX: I agree. factom offering 10x is insane for example. xmr offers the same leverage with 50 times bigger volume
[2016-10-22 13:19:38] martinium : They give traders that option which is fantastic. So as new traders learn lessons from overleveraging it should happen less
[2016-10-22 13:21:02] XXXX : esuvari: bitmex is only i interested in more high fees. High leverage means MOAR fees.
[2016-10-22 13:22:10] esuvari : what's more outrageous is that they mislead the traders with misleading liquidation levels before they enter a trade.
[2016-10-22 13:22:27] esuvari : I've been saying this for a month but they deliberately keep it on.
[2016-10-22 13:22:47] martinium : XXXX: high leverage does mean higher fees but it also means higher profits.. it is proportional. Thats why the fees are fractional percents to begin with. They make more with more trading volume.
[2016-10-22 13:23:07] esuvari : how can a 100x btc position's liq. level be 9 dollars away? http://imgur.com/a/hldN2
[2016-10-22 13:23:24] sleger : esuvari: we dont see the mark price in your pic
[2016-10-22 13:23:37] XXXX : martinium: what higher profit? I got adled at 20% profit in my ZEC long.
[2016-10-22 13:23:49] esuvari : sleger: doesn't matter. the entry price is what matters
[2016-10-22 13:23:55] martinium : esuvari: those liquidation levels are more a guideline and any trader worth his salt manages their risk to avoid getting liquidated.
[2016-10-22 13:23:56] esuvari : the mark price was around there anyway
[2016-10-22 13:24:27] martinium : XXXX: were you left with any profits after the ADL?
[2016-10-22 13:25:06] sleger : if you want an answer send them an email
[2016-10-22 13:25:29] martinium : should have had 80% of your profit remaining
[2016-10-22 13:25:29] esuvari : martinium: there's a simple fact guys. this feature used to work correctly. It doesn't now. and it's been a month.
[2016-10-22 13:25:32] XXXX : martinium: like i said 20% profit. And now i cant get back in at the adled price.
[2016-10-22 13:25:54] kay : Hey bitmex my position was closed without any notification. Says dele verge
[2016-10-22 13:26:09] esuvari : sleger: I did. they said we're working on it. but it's so outrageous to keep it there, why not remove it if it doesn't work right?
[2016-10-22 13:26:18] martinium : XXXX: were you at 100x leverage?
[2016-10-22 13:27:22] kay : How can you close my position when I have money in my wallet
[2016-10-22 13:28:25] sleger : esuvari: maybe its still assuming 50x leverage
[2016-10-22 13:28:32] XXXX : martinium: I was not using any leverage. Average buy cost 0.145 btc per zec. Avg sell price 0.18. So thats 20 to 30% profit. I didnt want to close my position till parity. Why the fuck should i have to close my position earlier just because sellers dont have enough funds.
[2016-10-22 13:28:36] sleger : in which case its simply a parameter to change
[2016-10-22 13:29:03] sleger : kay: cause you were not on cross margin
[2016-10-22 13:29:24] esuvari : sleger: exactly. what's worse is that it displays the correct level "after" you enter the trade. so it's definitely a bug, they know it and just keep it there
[2016-10-22 13:29:42] kay : But I still have money left
[2016-10-22 13:29:54] sleger : kay: good so you can try again
[2016-10-22 13:30:58] kay : sleger: I Was In Profit And My Position Was Closed. I had no leverage 1x
[2016-10-22 13:32:08] martinium : Looks like ADL affects all traders profit for the instrument whether or not you use any leverage
[2016-10-22 13:33:10] kay : I do trade with real money no leveragw and still my positions and orders were closed
[2016-10-22 13:33:32] martinium : profitable traders profits essentially sustain the system from crashing. Until liquidity grows substantially this will be common and preferable to the entire exchange getting rekt.
[2016-10-22 13:34:17] martinium : kay: did you incur losses when they closed your position or closed and you kept some of your profit?
[2016-10-22 13:34:38] martinium : i think zec leverage should even be offered if the coin itself doesnt even exist yet
[2016-10-22 13:34:49] martinium : shouldn't*
[2016-10-22 13:38:29] kay : Bitmex says"In accordance with BitMEX's risk management policies, your ZECZ16 position was identified as a high-risk or high-profit position. When large liquidations execute on BitMEX and are unable to be filled by the market without loss, profitable and/or highly-leveraged traders are chosen on a priority basis for deleveraging to cover the liquidation"
[2016-10-22 13:38:43] Kalman : its a zero sum game! as long as the exchange doesn't get rekt let them play XXXx. ADL secures all players
[2016-10-22 13:38:52] kay : But the profit I made was just .24 btc
[2016-10-22 13:39:37] Kalman : kay: the counter party didn't provide more funds. get over it
[2016-10-22 13:41:55] kay : U should deleveraging with your own funds not with mine. This policy of bitmex must be highlighted in btc talk
[2016-10-22 13:42:38] habibi : kay: go scream about ur own stupidity and come back, i need ur money
[2016-10-22 13:42:56] justinlooking : you will only make a fool of yourself kay... what do you expect?
[2016-10-22 13:43:00] Kalman : habibi: rofl
[2016-10-22 13:44:22] kay : It's like stealing money from small players to fill the pockets of large players.
[2016-10-22 13:44:46] kay : habibi: let's see that
[2016-10-22 13:44:49] habibi : the only reason of adl or dpe is to avoid system loss
[2016-10-22 13:45:15] justinlooking : perhaps bitmex should make it clearer ZECZ16 is very esoteric. but then it's a leveraged futures contract for a crypto that doesn't exist yet, on an unregulated exchange. not sure how much clearer it could be...
[2016-10-22 13:47:09] justinlooking : kay if u want to trade against "the house" you are not in the right place
[2016-10-22 13:52:15] sleger : insurance fund at 0kcoin is over 600btc and rarely goes down, risk of dpe there is tiny at the moment
[2016-10-22 13:52:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1110 @ 636.21
[2016-10-22 13:54:08] mjones : 1 fomo away from a new btc high
[2016-10-22 13:55:43] mjones : because they only offer up to 20x there
[2016-10-22 13:57:01] Kahir : hello
[2016-10-22 13:57:15] Kahir : i got an email say my orders are deleverge what does this mean
[2016-10-22 13:58:03] habibi : i don't know mate, probally they testing some new stuff and u are choosen to do it
[2016-10-22 13:58:18] Kahir : habibi u name make me lol
[2016-10-22 13:58:20] sleger : you ate a clown today ?
[2016-10-22 13:59:07] habibi : Kahir: good to hear :)
[2016-10-22 14:23:28] k0d3 : zcash delayed to january
[2016-10-22 14:27:41] lord : is noone selling real ious? its really ridiculous, if the futures are always deleveraged after a little raise and you cant even buy back any because of the ridiculously set index price... guys whats the point. there are shorts, that are not buyable...
[2016-10-22 14:30:21] lord : i believe parity will come soon and I want to invest in it and its not working out even with 1x leverage.
[2016-10-22 14:35:13] XXXX : lord: even if these shorts are buyable whats the point. The long which opened at 0.18 will likely be ADLed if the price rises to mere .22 btc
[2016-10-22 14:37:15] justinlooking : XXXX: wtf m8
[2016-10-22 14:37:19] lord : so what does that mean, that the market is just too thin?
[2016-10-22 14:37:39] XXXX : justinlooking: ??
[2016-10-22 14:40:09] XXXX : lord: yup market is too thin compkunded by leverage used by noob shorters.
[2016-10-22 14:40:18] XXXX : Compounded
[2016-10-22 14:41:11] lord : xxxx: we were already >.24, it dropped to < .15, then rose again and I was kicked out at .18 although I bought at .16 or so. And that with a 1x. I don't get it...
[2016-10-22 14:41:46] lord : I mean I bought before the rise to .24 of course
[2016-10-22 14:42:30] XXXX : lord: its the leverage used by shorts thats the problem. Almost all long positions are at 1× leverage.
[2016-10-22 14:46:54] lord : so shouldn't the session limit upprice at least be shortly below the lowest short then. so that the deleveraging can be as high as possible? I should get the .24 instead
[2016-10-22 14:49:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 14 @ 637.64
[2016-10-22 14:51:45] XXXX : lord: shorters dont have the funds enough to buyback at .24 and bitmex have zero insurance funds so we long take a hair cut on the profit.
[2016-10-22 14:53:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 360 @ 0.01872
[2016-10-22 14:53:40] mjones : eth new low