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[2016-10-18 18:11:10] MrRGnome : until you've got a 5k eth position, I don't know how your stomach isn't doing backflips with that during a HF @sleger
[2016-10-18 18:11:39] sleger : i had a larger position, but only 5k here
[2016-10-18 18:12:02] wurstgelee : i wouldnt gamble with 5k eth for fun tbh. i would need to be sure of what i am doing for that
[2016-10-18 18:12:43] MrRGnome : Too rich for my blood. There was a non-zero possibility of HF issues, and eth support was all the way down at 0.015/0.016
[2016-10-18 18:13:00] MrRGnome : I've had positions that large, but only generally when i am cost averaging my way out of a horrible mess I've made
[2016-10-18 18:13:55] shiroe : So this wast just a spike fro the bear trend. lol
[2016-10-18 18:14:13] wurstgelee : nobody saying that (yet)
[2016-10-18 18:14:20] MrRGnome : shiroe: that's like, you're interpretation man.
[2016-10-18 18:14:22] wurstgelee : depends on the timescale youre looking at
[2016-10-18 18:14:31] MrRGnome : *your too.
[2016-10-18 18:58:48] wurstgelee : aaand i bailed ;)
[2016-10-18 19:18:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 717 @ 0.010323
[2016-10-18 20:30:13] Zen Trader : What are users and Bitmex's opinions on the unlimited vs segwit situation and the upcoming hardforks. Obviously understand if they dont want to come off as picking sides and its somewhat inconsequential to what happens.
[2016-10-18 20:31:56] Zen Trader : I think its somewhat worrying from a speculative perspective but in theory there might be value added to for holders of btc.
[2016-10-18 20:33:40] mjones : btc fake out down
[2016-10-18 20:37:22] MrRGnome : What's important with btc is the security model. Since multiple protocol implimentations is good, and segwit going through or not 1mb or 2mb high fees or no fees it doesn't matter at all. Bitcoins use cases will change with its economic context but so long as the decentralized security model is intact BTC will have significant value IMO.
[2016-10-18 20:38:47] BitMEX_Greg : Zen Trader: Personally I want to see the bitcoin community just take one direction or another and get over this issue. I believe Bitcoin price would be closer to 1000 if we were past this a year ago already
[2016-10-18 20:40:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 91 @ 633.10
[2016-10-18 20:40:54] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 13500 @ 632.39
[2016-10-18 20:40:54] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4000 @ 632.33
[2016-10-18 20:40:54] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1 @ 632.40 :punch: :whale:
[2016-10-18 20:40:54] REKT : :roller_coaster: :chart_with_downwards_trend: :japanese_goblin:
[2016-10-18 20:40:54] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 300 @ 632.47
[2016-10-18 20:40:58] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 @ 632.08
[2016-10-18 20:40:58] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1850 @ 632.21
[2016-10-18 20:40:59] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 @ 632.20
[2016-10-18 20:41:14] mjones : rekt those 100x longs
[2016-10-18 20:47:30] BTCDJS : 620 please
[2016-10-18 20:53:09] Zen Trader : Offchain solutions are a nice opportunity
[2016-10-18 21:06:08] mjones : are the XMR noobs finally getting the idea to stop dumping
[2016-10-18 21:08:52] mjones : lol short closing / longs opening
[2016-10-18 21:10:03] wurstgelee : 2 fast too much tho
[2016-10-18 21:10:37] Zen Trader : damn XMR
[2016-10-18 21:10:49] arbitrage001 : Zen Trader: damn what
[2016-10-18 21:11:07] arbitrage001 : short more as it rallies
[2016-10-18 21:11:37] Tetsuo : mjones: actally i´m slowly closing my long
[2016-10-18 21:12:20] arbitrage001 : Tetsuo: roger ver said xmr will hit 1b market cap
[2016-10-18 21:12:26] Tetsuo : arbitrage001: u told the ship is goin down yesterday? what happened?
[2016-10-18 21:12:31] arbitrage001 : 10 fold increase
[2016-10-18 21:12:54] arbitrage001 : Tetsuo: will short if it goes up more
[2016-10-18 21:18:30] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: sounds like a great plan
[2016-10-18 21:20:10] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: u short?
[2016-10-18 21:25:52] Tetsuo : ETh funding was fun, especially as it didn´t go up afterwards. Easy money
[2016-10-18 21:26:09] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: nah I was long but I kept anticipating a drop to 620. When my stops hit I set orders for around that mark.
[2016-10-18 21:26:38] BTCDJS : looks like this level might hold?
[2016-10-18 21:29:06] Tetsuo : don´t think so
[2016-10-18 21:30:09] BTCDJS : MA and EMA suggested drop. But everyone is so bullish. Segwit and all that
[2016-10-18 21:31:52] rapidtrades : i have no clue whata segwit is
[2016-10-18 21:32:53] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: Segregated witness. Help make bitcoin faster. And lightning network
[2016-10-18 21:33:08] BTCDJS : bullish news for BTC
[2016-10-18 21:34:36] BTCDJS : But indicators suggest drop. So 620 is probably next
[2016-10-18 21:39:27] rapidtrades : how would it make bitcoin faster
[2016-10-18 21:39:32] rapidtrades : BLOCKS ARE NOT EVEN FULL PPL
[2016-10-18 21:39:48] rapidtrades : Jesus Christ mass delusion at play here
[2016-10-18 21:41:29] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: it took nearly 24hours for my Bitmex account to load with bitcoin. Only one confirmation was required. I thought it was never going to happen.
[2016-10-18 21:41:46] rapidtrades : oh no
[2016-10-18 21:41:49] rapidtrades : call the press
[2016-10-18 21:42:23] BTCDJS : transactions are getting slower
[2016-10-18 21:42:31] rapidtrades : define slower
[2016-10-18 21:42:41] BTCDJS : and anyway. its an improvement for bitcoin
[2016-10-18 21:42:47] MrRGnome : segregated witness is exactly what it says on the tin. It puts all header and verification data into a separate set of data from the actual transaction data that can be transacted independently. The segregated witness data is significantly smaller than the full block and will reduce verification times, block propagation times, almost double effective usable blockspace for transactions, and set the groundwork for other future protocol improvements.
[2016-10-18 21:43:16] rapidtrades : NOONE CARES
[2016-10-18 21:43:18] BTCDJS : this^^
[2016-10-18 21:43:21] rapidtrades : blocks are not full
[2016-10-18 21:43:37] rapidtrades : blocks will get full, only fees will go up
[2016-10-18 21:43:45] mjones : looks like XRP is making new highs
[2016-10-18 21:43:46] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: whatever dude its bullish news. Use it or don't wether you agree or not
[2016-10-18 21:43:46] wurstgelee : enough blocks are full
[2016-10-18 21:43:48] rapidtrades : i forgot this > never
[2016-10-18 21:43:55] MrRGnome : It doesn't just deal with that to be fair, there are other reasons to use segregated witness. IMO doesn't really matter if blocks are full or not
[2016-10-18 21:44:20] rapidtrades : it matters when discussing the impact on price
[2016-10-18 21:44:29] arbitrage001 : i care, baby
[2016-10-18 21:44:36] rapidtrades : there is no problem to solve here
[2016-10-18 21:44:37] arbitrage001 : i want to make you cum too
[2016-10-18 21:44:41] MrRGnome : It defines the trading context, yes.
[2016-10-18 21:45:08] MrRGnome : Feels weird agreeing with rapidtrades
[2016-10-18 21:45:19] MrRGnome : Makes me question if I'm really right.
[2016-10-18 21:45:21] rapidtrades : i'm long so whatever but getting tired of this debate
[2016-10-18 21:45:34] wurstgelee : long?
[2016-10-18 21:45:36] wurstgelee : great
[2016-10-18 21:45:56] wurstgelee : that explains the recently increasing ROE on my short :p
[2016-10-18 21:46:16] shiroe : 4 hour chart says red still on eth?
[2016-10-18 21:46:17] MrRGnome : I think long is a good bet ATM. $630 is the bottom of the current trend line. A break to say $620 would be highly indicative of a new trend
[2016-10-18 21:46:32] wurstgelee : its closed now anyways tho
[2016-10-18 21:46:35] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: you started the debate. All I did was tell you why people are bull
[2016-10-18 21:46:57] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: cool beans
[2016-10-18 21:47:10] rapidtrades : u know what I think about coin fundametals
[2016-10-18 21:47:31] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: fundamental pointing down
[2016-10-18 21:47:43] arbitrage001 : cuz it is still pretty useless
[2016-10-18 21:47:55] rapidtrades : exactly, useless
[2016-10-18 21:48:12] arbitrage001 : glad we agree
[2016-10-18 21:48:32] BTCDJS : ah look at everyone getting along
[2016-10-18 21:48:39] BTCDJS : isnt that nice
[2016-10-18 21:49:08] BTCDJS : where is sassy sally? She's a proper bitch, But I like her style
[2016-10-18 21:49:52] MrRGnome : <3 you guys. You're my new family. rapidtrades you're like the groups abusive alcoholic father, but we still love you. We just want you to love us too.
[2016-10-18 21:50:31] wurstgelee : lolz
[2016-10-18 21:50:33] BTCDJS : MrRGnome: Thats weird. erase what you just said. We will pretend it never happened
[2016-10-18 21:51:46] BTCDJS : https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/segregated-witness-coming-to-a-bitcoin-core-near-you/ @rapidtrades
[2016-10-18 21:53:04] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1513 @ 631.53
[2016-10-18 21:53:04] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1 @ 631.67 :punch: :whale:
[2016-10-18 21:53:52] mitache365 : any admin here?
[2016-10-18 21:54:32] wurstgelee : no. we killed all the guards and have take over the mental asylum
[2016-10-18 21:54:36] wurstgelee : *n
[2016-10-18 21:55:17] MrRGnome : What are you looking for help with? Maybe someone here knows what's going on
[2016-10-18 21:55:59] mitache365 : I want to buy some zcash, but I am noob at bitmex
[2016-10-18 21:56:16] mitache365 : what will happen with ,y coins when mainnet comes live
[2016-10-18 21:56:29] MrRGnome : right. it's pretty complicated for a first time user
[2016-10-18 21:56:35] BTCDJS : mitache365: bitmex is only for speculation. You don't actually buy any coins here
[2016-10-18 21:57:07] mitache365 : Ok but when it comes live
[2016-10-18 21:57:16] BTCDJS : mitache365: still
[2016-10-18 21:57:21] mitache365 : the price here will be pair as all other exhanges right?
[2016-10-18 21:57:27] MrRGnome : Not necessarily
[2016-10-18 21:57:43] BTCDJS : its a derivatives exchange. Thats how they can offer high leverage
[2016-10-18 21:57:50] MrRGnome : See, bitmex has no coins except bitcoin. All of these markets aren't realy they are just financial instruments
[2016-10-18 21:58:13] mitache365 : So zec here can be 0.5, at polo can be 0.1 ?
[2016-10-18 21:58:17] MrRGnome : There are no zcash being traded, just the idea of what a zcash will be worth 3 months from now. it's called a futures contract
[2016-10-18 21:58:20] MrRGnome : Yes that's right
[2016-10-18 21:58:20] BTCDJS : mitache365: yup
[2016-10-18 21:58:46] j8 : on Dec 30, when the contract expires, the price will settle at the spot price (of the reference exchange which hasn't been chosen yet)
[2016-10-18 21:58:47] mitache365 : hmm
[2016-10-18 21:58:59] BTCDJS : MrRGnome: very well explained. High five for you
[2016-10-18 21:59:04] mitache365 : can I close my position earlier?
[2016-10-18 21:59:23] mjones : zcash at first will only be a few thousand. you can go long on here and then buy on polo for .5 first day. then you make money here and hope to sell those expensive coins higher
[2016-10-18 21:59:55] mitache365 : is there any premine for zcash
[2016-10-18 22:00:06] mitache365 : how much coins daily? do you know?
[2016-10-18 22:00:36] arbitrage001 : mitache365: getting ahead of yourself if you are new
[2016-10-18 22:01:04] arbitrage001 : would advice you to do proper homework, research and practice before trading
[2016-10-18 22:01:12] MrRGnome : The way it works is bitmex uses something they call the 'mark price' which is an algorithmic estimation of what the price could be given the current trend at the time of the contracts settlement (3 months) That's what forms the price that positions are liquidated based on. Positions are liquidated when your potential losses from a position are equal to how many bitcoin you have leveraged in your account
[2016-10-18 22:01:49] mitache365 : that was good
[2016-10-18 22:01:55] BTCDJS : MrRGnome: ok now you're just showing off
[2016-10-18 22:02:01] mitache365 : I really cant find much information about zcash
[2016-10-18 22:02:29] MrRGnome : So it's possible for bitmex products to trade wildly out of swing with their underlying asset. It's possible to 'buy' or 'sell' more zcash futures than you have worth of bitcoin because of 'leverage'
[2016-10-18 22:03:03] MrRGnome : BTCDJS: sorry, can't help myself
[2016-10-18 22:03:12] mitache365 : hmm okay
[2016-10-18 22:03:40] BTCDJS : Even I understand it better now
[2016-10-18 22:04:10] MrRGnome : I feel it's the biggest area of potential improvement for BitMex. They can do a better job simply explaining their products.
[2016-10-18 22:04:55] BTCDJS : their too technical and expect the kinds of traders who come here to be on their level
[2016-10-18 22:05:38] MrRGnome : They are very technical, which is necessary I'd rather too technical than not enough details. It just creates a barrier of entry. You need both very technical and approachable explainations
[2016-10-18 22:06:49] BTCDJS : maybe you should create a youtube channel explaining high leverage derivatives trading to beginners and start by telling them not to even bother trying it
[2016-10-18 22:07:01] MrRGnome : That really should be the first word of advice.
[2016-10-18 22:07:49] MrRGnome : It's effing dangerous. I'm not nearly qualified enough, and I've in the past lost quite a bit.
[2016-10-18 22:08:05] MrRGnome : Doing pretty damn good this year, but that's gambling for you.
[2016-10-18 22:09:51] BTCDJS : same. This was the first exchange I started trading at. Lost a bunch. Made it all back tho. whew! now I'm armed with more knowledge. Disclaimer. I didn't make it all back trading here. I invested in REP and it paid off. Got very lucky
[2016-10-18 22:10:07] MrRGnome : grats man
[2016-10-18 22:11:06] BTCDJS : thanks. but it was just luck. Now lets see if I can actually use my little bit of knowledge to make some money here.
[2016-10-18 22:12:11] BTCDJS : If I don't turn a profit after 1BTC here I'm sticking to spot
[2016-10-18 22:12:26] MrRGnome : knowing it was luck is half the battle. The people that delude themselves into knowing which way the market is going are scary. Every position I take is with the assumption the market could go rapidly in the other direction.
[2016-10-18 22:12:54] BTCDJS : yeah I learned that one the hard way
[2016-10-18 22:13:10] MrRGnome : Me too Such a rough lesson
[2016-10-18 22:16:00] BTCDJS : there are only a handful of very good entries where the stars just align and its obvious whats going to happen. like the last rally. But my god its hard to have the patience to wait for those moment only.
[2016-10-18 22:21:12] mjones : 7200 zcash a day. with a certain percent of that amount going to an address for the creators. so like 15,000 zcash first 2-3 days
[2016-10-18 22:22:03] mjones : so $1,500,000 market cap in the 2nd day if price is .16 ZEC/BTC
[2016-10-18 22:22:45] arbitrage001 : mjones: sound like easy to get rich, isn't it?
[2016-10-18 22:22:51] mjones : possible if the big miners are mining and holding and putting up buy walls real high
[2016-10-18 22:23:11] mjones : and there are a ton of eager buyers
[2016-10-18 22:23:29] mjones : but i don't know about buying right now and holding till next week
[2016-10-18 22:23:30] wurstgelee : the 10k mark will be hit on day 10
[2016-10-18 22:23:57] wurstgelee : max supply will be 7200/day starting at day 34
[2016-10-18 22:23:58] arbitrage001 : get a few whale to hold up supply?
[2016-10-18 22:24:05] wurstgelee : supply after 1 month will be ~ 100k
[2016-10-18 22:24:26] wurstgelee : it will take almost 6 months to reach a supply of 1m
[2016-10-18 22:34:07] lockhedge : after the mining slow start zcash will have the same inflation as bitcoin had in 2009 at a price it had 2012 or 2013 https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/1*58BszRWCmc9PXk55ossWGQ.png
[2016-10-18 22:34:32] wurstgelee : lockhedge: which makes it 1m after little less than 6 months
[2016-10-18 22:34:43] wurstgelee : with those 34 days of slow start included
[2016-10-18 22:34:44] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-10-18 22:37:39] lockhedge : wurstgelee: so it's around 300k supply at the end of the year?
[2016-10-18 22:49:30] wurstgelee : yep, sounds about right
[2016-10-18 22:50:04] wurstgelee : lockhedge: day 59
[2016-10-18 22:50:09] wurstgelee : 300k ;)
[2016-10-18 23:19:36] Haythem : eth will hit 0.022 these 24 hours
[2016-10-18 23:32:10] MrRGnome : these last two eth funding periods are a good demonstration of why the 8-hour funding lag paralyzes market volume and creates an incentive away from mark price for extended durations.
[2016-10-19 01:50:39] mjones : every friday xbj is wack
[2016-10-19 01:50:56] mjones : 65,000 to 67,000 spread
[2016-10-19 01:58:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 494 @ 0.01960
[2016-10-19 02:13:51] mjones : 9 days till zcash and it hit .2
[2016-10-19 03:15:01] Rado : sup people
[2016-10-19 03:21:56] zanza : sup Rado
[2016-10-19 03:33:37] Rado : hey zanza
[2016-10-19 03:33:47] Rado : just chilling
[2016-10-19 03:34:18] Rado : not much trading opportunities
[2016-10-19 03:51:05] MrRGnome : I'm seething with jealousy at the funding eth shorts are getting.
[2016-10-19 04:07:52] XXXX : waiting for next round of ZEC shorts popping. It was fun watching shorters getting REKT.
[2016-10-19 04:12:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 1 @ 0.001692
[2016-10-19 04:15:48] BitMEX_Wally : BetterNick: Please remember to send an `orderID` or `clOrdID` when trying amend an order. Seeing errors in the logs
[2016-10-19 06:40:30] XXXX : BitMEX_Wally: four bars are green on my long ZECZ16 position. I am not using leveraged and I am up 50%. How can i stop myself from getting ADLed in profit??
[2016-10-19 06:50:41] BitMEX_Wally : XXXX: There are lots of people with profit at 1x so you'll all in the same boat. You could close and re-open the position which would reduce your unrealised PNL
[2016-10-19 06:57:19] XXXX : BitMEX_Wally: I would be happy to close and reopen the ZECZ16 contracts if there was enough liquidity to do it. But unfortunately when I get ADLed in profit I will have to go long at much higher price than what I am forced to sell. Ah well, delights of an illiquid market (and shorters with no funding to cover their loss)
[2016-10-19 07:00:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 23 @ 0.220489
[2016-10-19 07:02:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 1 @ 0.224424
[2016-10-19 07:04:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 1 @ 0.234205
[2016-10-19 07:25:39] wurstgelee : haha @ ZEC
[2016-10-19 07:25:40] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-19 07:25:59] rapidtrades : wtf
[2016-10-19 07:26:22] rapidtrades : wasn't that crap at 0.09 yday
[2016-10-19 07:26:39] wurstgelee : no suprise oc. but i like how it plays out so far nonetheless
[2016-10-19 07:27:05] wurstgelee : .09 has been a while ago
[2016-10-19 07:27:20] rapidtrades : so 1 zcash is now $145?
[2016-10-19 07:27:25] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-10-19 07:27:33] rapidtrades : cmon that's silly
[2016-10-19 07:27:46] wurstgelee : still cheacp compared to what it will trade for q polo during the first days/weeks
[2016-10-19 07:28:06] rapidtrades : it's 1/4 of a bitcoin
[2016-10-19 07:28:09] wurstgelee : yes
[2016-10-19 07:28:25] rapidtrades : it's 10 Ethers
[2016-10-19 07:28:26] XXXX : rapidtrades: then short more if you think ZEC current price is silly. we need more shorters to save us longers from getting ADLed in profit.
[2016-10-19 07:28:26] wurstgelee : total supply available after 34 days is 1000 ZCASH
[2016-10-19 07:28:34] wurstgelee : 10% for devs and vc money already included
[2016-10-19 07:29:02] wurstgelee : now put that practically non-eisting supply together with hype and the usual polo fomo
[2016-10-19 07:29:08] rapidtrades : right but its 1 mil after 6 months
[2016-10-19 07:29:12] wurstgelee : still think 0.2 is too much?
[2016-10-19 07:29:22] wurstgelee : who cares for fter 6 months now
[2016-10-19 07:29:26] XXXX : rapidtrades: 1 week comes before 6 months
[2016-10-19 07:29:43] rapidtrades : $1 is too much for a coin that doesn't exist yet
[2016-10-19 07:33:56] wurstgelee : thats wrong
[2016-10-19 07:34:03] wurstgelee : it does exist
[2016-10-19 07:34:11] wurstgelee : mainnete isnt live yet, that is all
[2016-10-19 07:34:14] wurstgelee : *-e
[2016-10-19 07:34:34] rapidtrades : i don't even wanna know
[2016-10-19 07:34:37] XXXX : Now I know why ZEC have stopped rising. It is the damn upper limit. it is currently 0.243736 for this session. Ah well 4 and half hours more before the next short popping
[2016-10-19 07:37:46] rapidtrades : not sure we have a limit on price here?
[2016-10-19 07:38:00] rapidtrades : isn't that only on funding?
[2016-10-19 07:40:47] BitMEX_Jinming : ZECZ16 is marked to `LastPrice`. There is 25% limit up/down for each session.
[2016-10-19 07:42:01] rapidtrades : price limits are not cool
[2016-10-19 07:42:47] wurstgelee : necessary tho
[2016-10-19 07:42:58] wurstgelee : in this case
[2016-10-19 08:20:14] aabtc : BitMEX_Jinming: how do u move the limit peg up?
[2016-10-19 08:20:36] aabtc : ping the lowest sell like 5 seconds before session close?
[2016-10-19 08:36:37] BitMEX_Jinming : aabtc: At the beginning of each session, it uses the last traded price of last session to update limit up/down prices.
[2016-10-19 09:02:41] janos666 : Noob question: on the "recent trades" tab, red is sell, green is buy (-induced exchange). So, what is white?
[2016-10-19 09:05:56] wurstgelee : janos666: no. green: higher price than previous trade. red vice versa. white/black (depending on theme): same price
[2016-10-19 09:06:36] janos666 : oh, so partially bought/sold limit orders are white
[2016-10-19 09:06:57] janos666 : when price does not move due to partial filling
[2016-10-19 09:07:04] janos666 : makes sense now, thanks :)
[2016-10-19 09:33:03] eddymocha : BitMEX_Jinming: ;)
[2016-10-19 09:54:31] justinlooking : green sells dafuq, still irks me
[2016-10-19 10:55:54] XXXX : One more hour before the ZEC shirts gets popped.
[2016-10-19 10:57:05] Taff : How do u withdraw
[2016-10-19 10:59:04] rapidtrades : account > withdraw
[2016-10-19 10:59:14] rapidtrades : wait until 12:00 utc
[2016-10-19 10:59:31] rapidtrades : oh yeah and confirm by email
[2016-10-19 11:22:37] aabtc : lol zcash sell orders stilll wont come below llimit up
[2016-10-19 11:34:51] wurstgelee : limits will change in 26 mins tho ;)
[2016-10-19 11:40:39] XXXX : 20 minutes and those ZEC shorts will vanish in a blink
[2016-10-19 11:45:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 27 @ 0.227014
[2016-10-19 11:46:48] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 @ 631.55
[2016-10-19 11:52:27] XXXX : More ZEC shorts to get REKT in 8 minutes. Popcorn time.
[2016-10-19 11:54:44] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1200 @ 631.49
[2016-10-19 11:54:57] XXXX : Cant believe noobs shorting ZEC on margin in this illiquid environment.
[2016-10-19 11:57:31] RocketScience : price will jump to 0.25
[2016-10-19 12:00:32] sleger : ahahahah, dummies
[2016-10-19 12:00:47] wurstgelee : :D :D :D
[2016-10-19 12:00:53] wurstgelee : i am laughing
[2016-10-19 12:01:00] habibi : sleger: awsome manipulation :)
[2016-10-19 12:01:03] wurstgelee : great fun, almost spilled my coffee
[2016-10-19 12:01:04] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-19 12:02:45] XXXX : That was ADL closing long positions in profit to save shorters from having negative balance. Just watch few hrs price will be up 25% limit again.
[2016-10-19 12:03:15] habibi : nah,that was sleger seconds before new 8h period lowering upper limit for next period
[2016-10-19 12:03:24] wurstgelee : nope, that wasnt ADL
[2016-10-19 12:03:53] XXXX : And that top buy order is re entering market after the longs were forced closed in profit.
[2016-10-19 12:03:54] wurstgelee : habibi: same thing happend 16h ago btw
[2016-10-19 12:03:59] wurstgelee : nice work mr sleger ;)
[2016-10-19 12:04:17] wurstgelee : XXXX: tehre was no ADL
[2016-10-19 12:04:26] wurstgelee : what makes you think that?
[2016-10-19 12:07:13] XXXX : See the buy orders. Thats what make me think that.
[2016-10-19 12:07:47] wurstgelee : someone - let's just call him "sleger" - sold 4 secs to close of 8h period
[2016-10-19 12:07:50] wurstgelee : that is all
[2016-10-19 12:09:21] XXXX : ADL works inmysyeruois ways. Its aim is not to save traders from negative balance butto save bitmex from absorbing the loss.
[2016-10-19 12:20:53] habibi : another attack on eth https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/589l6b/lol_i_think_its_another_attack_contract_burns/d8ykwio
[2016-10-19 12:21:02] habibi : happy hardfork ;)
[2016-10-19 12:28:15] rapidtrades : another HF?
[2016-10-19 12:28:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 18 @ 0.01950
[2016-10-19 12:29:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1 @ 0.01946
[2016-10-19 12:29:56] rapidtrades : how incompetent are these ppl
[2016-10-19 12:32:42] habibi : nah, so far another attacks
[2016-10-19 12:35:03] wurstgelee : thats funny af
[2016-10-19 12:35:12] wurstgelee : easy fix tho, they just need to hardfork the forked fork again
[2016-10-19 12:35:14] wurstgelee : oO
[2016-10-19 12:35:22] rapidtrades : did they fork properly this time? or made another coin again
[2016-10-19 12:35:31] rapidtrades : ETCc
[2016-10-19 12:37:47] rapidtrades : ETH is what happens when u let millennials run the show
[2016-10-19 12:39:00] wurstgelee : theoretically, every HF creates two coins out of one
[2016-10-19 12:39:46] wurstgelee : recent hf didnt create a running 2nd chain afaik
[2016-10-19 12:39:50] wurstgelee : as in died quickly
[2016-10-19 12:40:14] rapidtrades : idiots over at r/btc think forks are a grreat idea
[2016-10-19 12:40:15] habibi : there was no reason this time to create a 2nd fork, before there was strong ideological reasons
[2016-10-19 12:40:48] rapidtrades : maybe
[2016-10-19 12:43:29] wurstgelee : ermm...is polo down?
[2016-10-19 12:44:07] wurstgelee : nope, works again
[2016-10-19 12:58:57] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 125 @ 0.212663
[2016-10-19 13:00:24] habibi : sleger?
[2016-10-19 13:34:52] gladimor : How come whenever they automatically realize my PNL for ETH (Ive been in the green for the past day), it issues me a net loss?
[2016-10-19 13:36:52] BitMEX_Sam : gladimor: See the funding rate on ETHXBT
[2016-10-19 13:47:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 980 @ 630.66
[2016-10-19 13:47:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 500 @ 630.57
[2016-10-19 13:47:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 12000 @ 630.54
[2016-10-19 13:48:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 9999 @ 627.83
[2016-10-19 13:48:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3500 @ 627.92
[2016-10-19 13:48:52] REKT : :roller_coaster: :chart_with_downwards_trend: :japanese_goblin:
[2016-10-19 13:48:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3139 @ 627.81
[2016-10-19 13:48:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 126257 @ 628.34 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-10-19 13:48:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5555 @ 628.34
[2016-10-19 13:48:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 24100 @ 627.37 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-10-19 13:48:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5000 @ 628.17
[2016-10-19 13:49:04] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 30968 @ 626.38 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-10-19 13:49:04] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 93800 @ 626.06 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-10-19 13:49:04] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2000 @ 626.40
[2016-10-19 13:49:12] mjones : mega rekt
[2016-10-19 13:50:09] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 125745 @ 625.89 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-10-19 13:50:09] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2220 @ 625.87
[2016-10-19 13:50:09] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4100 @ 625.87
[2016-10-19 13:50:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2950 @ 625.74
[2016-10-19 13:50:34] Boontjie : holy crap
[2016-10-19 13:50:36] mjones : you can buy a ton over on xbt
[2016-10-19 13:50:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3000 @ 625.00
[2016-10-19 13:50:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1100 @ 625.04
[2016-10-19 13:51:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJZ16`: Sell 3 @ 67573
[2016-10-19 13:51:58] mjones : i'll just stick with XMR
[2016-10-19 13:51:58] arbitrage001 : holy crap
[2016-10-19 13:52:02] arbitrage001 : what happen
[2016-10-19 13:52:03] mjones : moonero
[2016-10-19 13:52:20] mjones : okcoin whales having fun
[2016-10-19 13:52:29] arbitrage001 : so
[2016-10-19 13:52:34] medpex : wow :O
[2016-10-19 13:52:42] mjones : new xmr high choochoo
[2016-10-19 13:52:45] arbitrage001 : btc price is still influnce by chinese
[2016-10-19 13:53:05] Boontjie : arbitrage001: did china ban bitcoin again?
[2016-10-19 13:53:12] arbitrage001 : dont know
[2016-10-19 13:53:16] RocketScience : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-19/ecb-wants-curb-bitcoin-use-over-fears-it-may-lose-control-over-money-supply
[2016-10-19 13:53:52] chef : wtf is this Your short position of ------ XBTUSD contracts has been deleveraged by ------ contracts. Your position is now short ------ contracts.
[2016-10-19 13:53:59] arbitrage001 : RocketScience: didnt bitstamp got license for btc trading
[2016-10-19 13:54:46] chromaticcr1 : and deleverage happened
[2016-10-19 13:55:10] chef : it closed my short
[2016-10-19 13:55:17] chef : why?
[2016-10-19 13:55:25] BitMEX_Sam : chef: https://www.bitmex.com/app/autoDeleveraging
[2016-10-19 13:55:32] arbitrage001 : chef: the new system kicks in
[2016-10-19 13:55:40] arbitrage001 : punish winner
[2016-10-19 13:55:46] arbitrage001 : reward loser
[2016-10-19 13:55:48] chromaticcr1 : I like this better than DPE
[2016-10-19 13:56:15] blocklud : what..? where do I see at price did it kick in for my short
[2016-10-19 13:56:19] RocketScience : arbitrage001: Yes it has
[2016-10-19 13:56:29] BitMEX_Sam : arbitrage001: It's quite the opposite, this system helps winners keep their profits compared to DPE, especially if they are trading with lower leverage
[2016-10-19 13:56:34] BitMEX_Sam : blocklud: If you were ADL'd you'll have an email
[2016-10-19 13:56:35] chromaticcr1 : Account > Trade History
[2016-10-19 13:56:49] sleger : it's punishment for shorting the god bitcoin !
[2016-10-19 13:56:51] blocklud : Sam: ok
[2016-10-19 13:56:56] chef : jezus
[2016-10-19 13:57:02] chromaticcr1 : it is the cost for having big leverage
[2016-10-19 13:57:15] chef : so i had a epic short and because people are on the wrong side it's closed
[2016-10-19 13:57:20] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, leverage comes with compromises, this has always been true
[2016-10-19 13:57:28] BitMEX_Sam : You made much more than you would have without leverage
[2016-10-19 13:57:33] BitMEX_Sam : You can always re-enter the short
[2016-10-19 13:57:57] chromaticcr1 : if you prefer having less chance getting ADL, use a less leverage.
[2016-10-19 13:58:02] chef : leverage is all about a good entry
[2016-10-19 13:58:04] chef : now its not
[2016-10-19 13:58:27] chef : but np
[2016-10-19 13:58:34] chef : should have read it
[2016-10-19 13:58:43] chef : it was just like, WTF happend
[2016-10-19 13:58:55] arbitrage001 : chef: still better than the old system
[2016-10-19 14:00:24] chromaticcr1 : I kind think the logic to be this: if you are using great leverage, you have a chance to be the one being liquidated. (aka you increased the risk of the system). If you enjoyed this great leverage, then you should bear the cost (risk) of other's position getting rekt and unfilled
[2016-10-19 14:00:55] arbitrage001 : chromaticcr1: would agree if my low leverage position didnt get all lights up
[2016-10-19 14:01:16] arbitrage001 : well, not all
[2016-10-19 14:01:19] arbitrage001 : 4 lights
[2016-10-19 14:02:06] sleger : XBTUSD -996 1.5933 XBT 634.54 625.11 100000000.00 0.0641 XBT (Cross) => 4 lights ?!?!?!?!?
[2016-10-19 14:02:17] mjones : love those btc XMR jumps
[2016-10-19 14:02:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 33 @ 0.011243
[2016-10-19 14:02:23] mjones : market buy or market close that short
[2016-10-19 14:02:31] arbitrage001 : sleger: i feel your pain
[2016-10-19 14:18:29] laisee : sucks to be closed out on a winner ;-/
[2016-10-19 14:20:55] mjones : ya. that's what'll suck when price dumps 10% and you get closed out after 3%
[2016-10-19 14:21:18] mjones : but maybe sometimes you'll get closed out at the bottom
[2016-10-19 14:21:59] laisee : I guess its like a lottery
[2016-10-19 14:30:38] Boontjie : okcasino v2.0
[2016-10-19 14:37:43] Boontjie : Did the ADL system kick in to liquidate those 400K contracts?
[2016-10-19 14:44:55] laisee : yes, many winners shared in the funding of the losses.
[2016-10-19 14:45:13] Rado : Boontjie: it's the other way around
[2016-10-19 14:45:30] Rado : because there were liquidations the ADL kicked in
[2016-10-19 14:46:28] Boontjie : Its what I meant sorry
[2016-10-19 14:46:45] Boontjie : Hopefully the peeps are awake to reopen positions
[2016-10-19 14:47:17] Rado : Maybe it's not a good idea to reopen them :)
[2016-10-19 15:02:01] HotPotatototo : hey guys, what can I do to prevent ADL?
[2016-10-19 15:03:41] Stevo : wow what kind of leverage gets auto-deleveraged? Id like to avoid it in the future
[2016-10-19 15:04:18] HotPotatototo : Stevo: I have ZERO leverage --- if your position gets too profitable, it gets auto-"deleveraged" though
[2016-10-19 15:04:20] Stevo : have you all ever got deleveraged 50x or under?
[2016-10-19 15:04:28] HotPotatototo : i'm not trading on margin at all
[2016-10-19 15:04:33] Stevo : wow nice
[2016-10-19 15:05:00] Stevo : I dont know about this feature, I can see alot of traders getting irked about it
[2016-10-19 15:06:07] BitMEX_Sam : One way or another, system loss has to be recovered on any highly leveraged market.
[2016-10-19 15:06:18] Stevo : ah reading the chat above
[2016-10-19 15:06:25] Stevo : thanks Sam
[2016-10-19 15:06:54] Boontjie : HotPotatototo: Then why trade here, you dont get the benefit of high leverage at all, just the demerits
[2016-10-19 15:14:47] BitMEX_Sam : That's a big part of why we moved to ADL - users not using high leverage don't get deleveraged in the general case
[2016-10-19 15:15:12] sleger : in the admiral case however...
[2016-10-19 15:20:28] Rado : there was a lot of liquidations in this case
[2016-10-19 15:20:36] Rado : shorts should be happy imo
[2016-10-19 15:20:54] Rado : you get closed, but it might be at the best price
[2016-10-19 15:20:57] Boontjie : BitMEX_Sam: Create a bitcoin swap without leverage next to the perpetual one. Assign fees made to the insurance fund. So if it works
[2016-10-19 15:21:35] Rado : Boontjie: without leverage?
[2016-10-19 15:21:43] Rado : you can't buy 1 BTC with 1 BTC
[2016-10-19 15:22:00] Rado : there is no fiat trading here
[2016-10-19 15:22:43] Boontjie : Rado: That is actually a good point
[2016-10-19 15:23:15] Boontjie : You will get liquidated at 50% drop. A reverse swap then I guess
[2016-10-19 15:32:39] Rado : Anyone know how much Zcash can ever be mined?
[2016-10-19 15:35:25] aethlios : 21 mill.
[2016-10-19 15:36:30] Rado : aethlios: thanks
[2016-10-19 15:52:45] wurstgelee : aethlios: pulled ur ZEC short orders? ;)
[2016-10-19 15:53:17] aethlios : yes pulled them, I will wait for a closer time to 28 Oct.
[2016-10-19 15:53:42] wurstgelee : so youre still gonna short prior to launch?
[2016-10-19 15:54:25] wurstgelee : also good call pulling the order, saved u from massive losses imo ;)
[2016-10-19 15:55:40] aethlios : wurstgelee: this short is a sure profit in six months, just want to avoid manipulation as possible.
[2016-10-19 15:55:54] habibi : why six months?
[2016-10-19 15:56:27] wurstgelee : aethlios: there is a total supply of 100k after 6 months.
[2016-10-19 15:56:48] wurstgelee : dev and vc zec included
[2016-10-19 15:56:50] aethlios : habibi: as supply comes to the market and new coins come live, hype will gone.
[2016-10-19 15:57:01] wurstgelee : 100k is no supply
[2016-10-19 15:57:05] wurstgelee : not really
[2016-10-19 15:57:28] habibi : 100k after 1st month, 1.2milion in 6 months
[2016-10-19 15:57:39] habibi : and this contract last 71 more days not 180
[2016-10-19 15:58:07] wurstgelee : i'll stop the broken record thing now tho. ok, one last time: whoever shorts ZEC now (with reasonable money) needs his head examined.
[2016-10-19 15:58:09] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-19 15:58:13] aethlios : I think there will be 122k first 34 days and then 216k each month, so 1.2 mill in six months.
[2016-10-19 15:58:53] wurstgelee : yep, my bad. forgot one 0
[2016-10-19 15:59:00] wurstgelee : buts its only 100k after one month
[2016-10-19 15:59:28] wurstgelee : oh, 34 daqys. yep 122k then
[2016-10-19 15:59:45] wurstgelee : still... 1m after 6 months isnt much
[2016-10-19 16:00:11] wurstgelee : i am only interested in the first few weeks right now, maybe days even
[2016-10-19 16:02:31] aethlios : I don;t think many people will buy spot with 0.2 btc price, not that stupid. maybe a few transactions but with no leverage to buy spot 0.2 is for stupid. people know now. check lisk when started it dumped, also firstblood already little above ico prices.
[2016-10-19 16:02:56] BTCDJS : ?If you fall I will catch you at 618 ?
[2016-10-19 16:07:09] wurstgelee : aethlios: people will pay way more than .2
[2016-10-19 16:07:12] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-10-19 16:07:41] wurstgelee : also u cant compare zcash to lisk or firstblood or any alt in general
[2016-10-19 16:07:45] wurstgelee : new level of hype
[2016-10-19 16:08:16] Boontjie : wurstgelee: When it opens we will see
[2016-10-19 16:08:38] wurstgelee : when it opens + first few weeks probably
[2016-10-19 16:09:05] aethlios : wurstgelee: there is also a possibility to postpone, or it fails to start correctly. Then price will dump to 5 usd.
[2016-10-19 16:09:23] wurstgelee : all assumptions based on the assumptioncal d that there wont be any technical issues
[2016-10-19 16:09:51] wurstgelee : aethlios: yes ;) same thing, other words
[2016-10-19 16:10:06] wurstgelee : i disagree with $5 tho
[2016-10-19 16:10:08] rapidtrades : WHO
[2016-10-19 16:10:12] rapidtrades : DUMPED BITCOIN
[2016-10-19 16:10:17] wurstgelee : chances are rather small...tstnet is running for months now
[2016-10-19 16:10:25] wurstgelee : enough time to ensure there are no major fuckups
[2016-10-19 16:10:30] Boontjie : rapidtrades: sorry man
[2016-10-19 16:10:48] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: u remember me thanking u for being long yesterday?
[2016-10-19 16:10:49] Boontjie : It was a fat finger, I meant to hit buy
[2016-10-19 16:10:55] wurstgelee : u have your counterindicator mojo back
[2016-10-19 16:10:57] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-10-19 16:11:04] justinlooking : lol
[2016-10-19 16:11:52] rapidtrades : not really, only used 1/2 my usual size cos i didn't trust the rally
[2016-10-19 16:12:09] rapidtrades : but then again i used 1/2 last time too and that too cost me $$$
[2016-10-19 16:12:16] wurstgelee : volume isnt important., its all about long or short
[2016-10-19 16:12:23] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-10-19 16:13:11] wurstgelee : u had a counterindicator streak of 6 iirc, during the rally a year ago
[2016-10-19 16:13:17] wurstgelee : u think u can beat that?
[2016-10-19 16:13:28] rapidtrades : LIKE I SAID THAT TIME I WAS NET LONG
[2016-10-19 16:13:44] wurstgelee : everybody holding btc is net long
[2016-10-19 16:13:49] rapidtrades : i was testing smth
[2016-10-19 16:14:02] rapidtrades : i'm never net long bte always hedge when no signal
[2016-10-19 16:16:43] rapidtrades : this whole space could be good in 5 yrs....u never know
[2016-10-19 16:20:26] rapidtrades : i meant gone...
[2016-10-19 16:20:36] rapidtrades : so everyone is short now or?
[2016-10-19 16:21:07] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: Bitcoin will always improve
[2016-10-19 16:21:26] BTCDJS : but there has to be some bear market eventually
[2016-10-19 16:22:45] rapidtrades : u can't know that
[2016-10-19 16:22:54] rapidtrades : this all could just be a passing fad
[2016-10-19 16:23:06] rapidtrades : all it would take to kill it would be china ban
[2016-10-19 16:23:26] justinlooking : rapid ur streak was 14 wasn't it?
[2016-10-19 16:23:41] BTCDJS : fuck china
[2016-10-19 16:23:46] rapidtrades : idk i've had worse @justinlooking
[2016-10-19 16:23:56] hedgehog0223 : is anybody here from staff?
[2016-10-19 16:24:15] rapidtrades : hedgehog0223: did u try Joe?
[2016-10-19 16:24:34] BTCDJS : yeah joe
[2016-10-19 16:24:40] hedgehog0223 : what do you mean?
[2016-10-19 16:24:53] hedgehog0223 : is he here?
[2016-10-19 16:24:56] rapidtrades : email him...last name Mama
[2016-10-19 16:25:33] BTCDJS : joe.mama@bitmex.com
[2016-10-19 16:25:42] rapidtrades : ^ thanks
[2016-10-19 16:26:10] wurstgelee : hedgehog0223: dont let them trick u. everyone knows it joe.plumber@bitmex.com
[2016-10-19 16:26:30] wurstgelee : *s
[2016-10-19 16:26:32] hedgehog0223 : I already sent an email
[2016-10-19 16:26:43] hedgehog0223 : guys what is this deleveraging stuff?
[2016-10-19 16:26:43] rapidtrades : speaking of joe the plumber, final debate is tonight
[2016-10-19 16:26:47] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-10-19 16:26:59] hedgehog0223 : I was in profit and my position was liquidited withoutany reason...
[2016-10-19 16:27:00] rapidtrades : last chance for trump to do smth
[2016-10-19 16:27:11] hedgehog0223 : 'due to high risk....
[2016-10-19 16:27:11] wurstgelee : i think trump might go full tilt mode tonight
[2016-10-19 16:27:17] wurstgelee : considering getting up in the night for the fun
[2016-10-19 16:27:21] rapidtrades : let's hope for some fireworks...it's been fairly mild so far
[2016-10-19 16:27:22] BTCDJS : hedgehog0223: joe mama will help you
[2016-10-19 16:27:28] rapidtrades : NOT what the media promised
[2016-10-19 16:27:32] wurstgelee : yes
[2016-10-19 16:27:58] wurstgelee : trumps recent speeches signal hope for a great debate tho
[2016-10-19 16:28:08] wurstgelee : and with great i mean ridiculously funny
[2016-10-19 16:28:13] rapidtrades : like which one
[2016-10-19 16:28:36] wurstgelee : check some articles about recent day speeches in swing states
[2016-10-19 16:29:39] wurstgelee : he is more and more implying violent reactions in case of a lost election
[2016-10-19 16:29:57] wurstgelee : well, its not really implying anymore.
[2016-10-19 16:30:05] wurstgelee : pretty clear in his words
[2016-10-19 16:30:45] wurstgelee : basically no arguments anymore... almost 100% accusations and threats
[2016-10-19 16:33:50] rapidtrades : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrYMOPaltNE
[2016-10-19 16:39:57] wurstgelee : gawd. i watched this a few minutes