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[2016-09-27 04:00:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 10 @ 0.07448
[2016-09-27 04:00:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 4 @ 0.07500 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-27 04:00:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 1 @ 0.07125 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-27 04:00:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 46 @ 0.07021
[2016-09-27 04:00:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 2 @ 0.06681 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-27 04:00:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 10 @ 0.06832
[2016-09-27 04:01:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 9 @ 0.06038
[2016-09-27 04:01:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ZECZ16`: Sell 10 @ 0.05915
[2016-09-27 04:07:18] Tetsuo : lol, thx for ur moneez
[2016-09-27 04:15:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 817 @ 0.06555
[2016-09-27 04:15:39] Tetsuo : lolol, wut
[2016-09-27 05:36:09] Cryptoprofit : Is there any known bad news about zcash? I cannot read it anywhere! What's the reason of the crash?
[2016-09-27 05:37:05] Cryptoprofit : Is it hacked or something?
[2016-09-27 06:00:15] billyboy402 : whale just force a market liquidation
[2016-09-27 06:04:05] omicron : is zcash really at 600? or is my chart roughly CEO-carressed
[2016-09-27 06:04:37] omicron : its total f____ck all because the OHLC says its around 0.09
[2016-09-27 06:08:24] omicron : huge bid there on ZEC
[2016-09-27 06:08:28] omicron : even shows up red
[2016-09-27 06:14:03] zanza : Trump got smashed!
[2016-09-27 06:19:13] XMRer : agreed
[2016-09-27 06:27:04] Tetsuo : ZEC code hacked and robbed.
[2016-09-27 07:02:37] RocketScience : red bid is liquidation of contracts from people that were long
[2016-09-27 07:04:56] omicron : oh. so when price hits there, 817 contracts gonna rekt
[2016-09-27 07:05:31] lockhedge : it's a single liquidated short (not long) position
[2016-09-27 07:35:52] habibi : hmm that was perfect manipulation on zcash, just before session ended
[2016-09-27 07:36:03] habibi : so he could push lover on new session
[2016-09-27 07:36:07] habibi : jummy <3
[2016-09-27 08:04:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 14 @ 0.02152
[2016-09-27 08:11:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 260 @ 0.02158
[2016-09-27 08:18:29] rapidtrades : habibi: what are u talking about
[2016-09-27 08:25:15] rapidtrades : I don't get why tokens are stll at 50 cents
[2016-09-27 08:38:23] Kalman : rapidtrades: where do you see them?
[2016-09-27 08:43:47] BitMEX_Wally : 0.5489 on Bitfinex
[2016-09-27 09:27:25] rapidtrades : I was bullparking....54 is even worse
[2016-09-27 09:27:32] rapidtrades : they 'raised' 290k
[2016-09-27 09:27:49] rapidtrades : its prolly not even ' raised' just ppl converting tokens
[2016-09-27 09:28:19] rapidtrades : says conversions https://bnktothefuture.com/pitches/bitfinex/conversations
[2016-09-27 09:28:38] rapidtrades : total new money raised...likely 0
[2016-09-27 09:33:23] Kalman : rapidtrades: new money could buy bfx
[2016-09-27 09:33:54] Kalman : convert and live happily ever after
[2016-09-27 09:33:59] rapidtrades : says conversions right there ^
[2016-09-27 09:34:10] rapidtrades : oh i see ur point
[2016-09-27 09:34:16] Kalman : finally
[2016-09-27 09:34:17] rapidtrades : its still low isn't it
[2016-09-27 09:34:26] rapidtrades : 260k for 2-3 days
[2016-09-27 09:34:34] rapidtrades : nowhere near 70mil
[2016-09-27 09:35:01] rapidtrades : there's usually surge at start and end....and this is the best the got
[2016-09-27 09:35:12] Kalman : real world conversion happen always very close to deadlines
[2016-09-27 09:35:34] rapidtrades : whatever u say man
[2016-09-27 09:35:54] rapidtrades : 4 days left for 1/1 conversion
[2016-09-27 09:36:33] Kalman : RRT is nothing else than make up for an overpriced cow
[2016-09-27 09:45:04] rapidtrades : how is the current valuation justified
[2016-09-27 09:45:25] rapidtrades : also zane said that tokens will never go over 1 so u have a cap
[2016-09-27 10:06:31] aethlios : YUNBI will list 1ST trading on Sept 28th. (UTC +8) No excat time guaranteed due to the uncertainty of process during preparation.
[2016-09-27 11:04:18] rapidtrades : whos' selling their bitcorns?
[2016-09-27 11:05:58] Boontjie : rapidtrades: It will pick up steam near the end
[2016-09-27 11:09:33] Boontjie : rapidtrades: what do you mean 4 days left for conversion?
[2016-09-27 11:13:35] rapidtrades : u get 1 share per token until sept30
[2016-09-27 11:14:45] Kalman : rapidtrades: one RRT additionally per token
[2016-09-27 11:15:02] rapidtrades : Kalman: what do u mean
[2016-09-27 11:15:22] rapidtrades : i have no clue what RRT is..this is sme jaor scam going on
[2016-09-27 11:15:30] rapidtrades : major scam
[2016-09-27 11:16:49] lockhedge : rapidtrades: you get the same amount of equity after Sept 30, you'll only get less RRT which is worthless anyway
[2016-09-27 11:19:53] rapidtrades : isn't RRT the share....
[2016-09-27 11:20:54] rapidtrades : u need a PhD to understand this curricular scam
[2016-09-27 11:21:05] rapidtrades : circular*
[2016-09-27 11:29:51] lockhedge : rapidtrades: afaik RRT is an extra token just for the case that a substantial amount (more than the nominal value of the outstanding BFX tokens) of the stolen funds gets recovered after the conversion.
[2016-09-27 12:00:08] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 817 @ 0.07887
[2016-09-27 12:02:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 5 @ 0.09412
[2016-09-27 12:15:22] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: i think there was talk about this already but still i can't find any details about upper/lower limits on zec market
[2016-09-27 12:17:48] rapidtrades : Euro getting nuked for some reason
[2016-09-27 12:22:57] BitMEX_Arthur : habibi: If you go to Advanced Mode you can see the Limit Up / Down levels on that widget
[2016-09-27 12:27:58] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Arthur: "that" widget?
[2016-09-27 12:28:04] wurstgelee : which one is that?
[2016-09-27 12:28:25] BitMEX_Arthur : Instruments sorry
[2016-09-27 12:29:41] habibi : ah found it, thanks
[2016-09-27 12:30:27] wurstgelee : found it in full contracts details but not @ instruments widget
[2016-09-27 12:30:45] wurstgelee : advanced dashboard layout btw
[2016-09-27 12:31:37] lockhedge : wurstgelee: click `>>` to expand the instrument table
[2016-09-27 12:32:30] wurstgelee : well, look at that ;)
[2016-09-27 12:32:31] wurstgelee : thanks
[2016-09-27 12:33:03] wurstgelee : i cant use it tho, i strongly disapprove of horzontal scrollbars
[2016-09-27 12:33:07] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-09-27 12:35:01] XMRer : simple if you buy ZEC they drop the price and margin calls you. If you short ZEC they raise the price and margin call you. That's how these exchanges work when there is poor volume
[2016-09-27 12:36:54] XMRer : Then they feed you some bullshit story about why it happened. lol
[2016-09-27 12:38:24] habibi : U have been crying for long time already and now the best part: u still here loosing money :D
[2016-09-27 12:39:49] habibi : BitMEX_Arthur: when limits are readjusted? it wasnt changed 35 minutes ago so after new session but now it has changed
[2016-09-27 12:43:47] oxandro : hi any news about fistblood on bitmex?
[2016-09-27 12:45:46] habibi : BitMEX_Arthur: and i guess u are moving liquidation manually ?
[2016-09-27 12:46:11] XMRer : habibi - im not losing money here. Trust me
[2016-09-27 12:47:25] XMRer : Habibi isn't there a $1m reward out for your arrest or something Allah u Akbar asswipe
[2016-09-27 12:49:38] habibi : XMRer: ghati il face oo doos il race
[2016-09-27 12:50:05] BitMEX_Arthur : oxandro: Nothing yet, we are speaking with a few of the exchanges who are offering ICO's to get more details
[2016-09-27 12:53:46] oxandro : BitMEX_Arthur: ty for your reply
[2016-09-27 12:53:55] wurstgelee : 14:35 - XMRer: simple if you buy ZEC they drop the price and margin calls you. If you short ZEC they raise the price and margin call you. That's how these exchanges work when there is poor volume <-- keep ur liquidation price outside the lower and upper limit span.
[2016-09-27 12:54:02] wurstgelee : no liquidations
[2016-09-27 12:54:04] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-09-27 12:55:32] XMRer : I haven't traded not one ZEC here. I know to stay away from it
[2016-09-27 12:55:42] wurstgelee : also its Admiral Ackbar btw, not Allah u Akbar...
[2016-09-27 12:58:45] XMRer : whatever dude. I know what it says. You think I can read Arabic? I read the Quran front and back for over 20 yrs الله أكبر
[2016-09-27 12:59:41] XMRer : الرجل الأبيض هو الشيطان
[2016-09-27 13:00:06] XMRer : كنت احمق لعنة
[2016-09-27 13:00:45] windoze : XMRer: why do you know to stay away from ZEC? dont you wanna short it? lol
[2016-09-27 13:31:52] wurstgelee : بيكون ليست جريمة.
[2016-09-27 14:57:46] rapidtrades : Thanks guys....
[2016-09-27 14:58:09] rapidtrades : we're now all on a f*cking list
[2016-09-27 15:01:46] ScottJ : What happens if that 821 ZEC liquidation doesn't get filled?
[2016-09-27 15:03:24] BitMEX_Wally : If the price rises then either there will be DPE, or ADL if it is after next Monday
[2016-09-27 15:04:06] rapidtrades : dam
[2016-09-27 15:04:49] rapidtrades : the Anti-Defamation League is no joke
[2016-09-27 15:05:16] rapidtrades : hope it gets resolved before next Monday
[2016-09-27 15:13:34] Teddy76 : BitMEX_Wally: Hi Wally, just a little question about API nonce, is it linked to account or each API key can have distinct nonce?
[2016-09-27 15:14:57] BitMEX_Sam : Teddy76: Each key has its own nonce.
[2016-09-27 15:15:29] Teddy76 : nice, thanks Sam ;)
[2016-09-27 15:16:06] BitMEX_Sam : You can also use `expires` which is simpler if you have multiple processes running: https://www.bitmex.com/app/apiKeysUsage#handling-colliding-nonces
[2016-09-27 15:21:53] Teddy76 : thanks Sam, i will do a test
[2016-09-27 15:29:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 9 @ 0.015174
[2016-09-27 15:46:33] messiaen8844 : https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/milestone/22
[2016-09-27 15:46:53] messiaen8844 : sipa Sep 27, 2016 12:18 going through them wumpus Sep 27, 2016 12:13 only three 0.13.1-backport pulls open, we're getting there... https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pulls?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+label%3A%22Needs+backport%22
[2016-09-27 15:46:55] messiaen8844 : :D
[2016-09-27 15:52:44] wurstgelee : Pricing SourcePoloniex
[2016-09-27 15:52:50] wurstgelee : ZEC contract details
[2016-09-27 15:52:54] wurstgelee : that seems wrong tbh
[2016-09-27 15:53:06] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: pling ;)
[2016-09-27 15:53:15] BitMEX_Greg : wurstgelee: Thanks for the info
[2016-09-27 15:53:21] wurstgelee : np
[2016-09-27 15:53:28] BitMEX_Greg : There is no pricing source yet, as its not listed
[2016-09-27 15:53:28] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, looks like it got a little eager
[2016-09-27 15:53:35] BitMEX_Sam : Technicallly the source is `BitMEX`
[2016-09-27 15:53:41] wurstgelee : exactly :D
[2016-09-27 15:54:09] wurstgelee : i'd love to see "Degenerate gamblers" there instead tho ;)
[2016-09-27 15:55:30] BitMEX_Wally : The ZECZ16 contract will settle based on the price of the most liquid spot market in December 2016. We expect this to be Poloniex hence why the `.ZECXBT` index currently says Poloniex
[2016-09-27 15:55:45] wurstgelee : yes ofc... but it IS not
[2016-09-27 15:55:47] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-09-27 15:55:48] BitMEX_Wally : The mark method for `ZECZ16` is currently `lastPrice` meaning the last price of the future
[2016-09-27 15:56:19] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Wally: that's why "degenerate gamblers" would be correct atm =)
[2016-09-27 15:57:44] wurstgelee : it's an unlaunched coin's future contract...that's as close as it gets to gambling
[2016-09-27 15:58:07] BitMEX_Wally : Actually it's closer to real commodity futures
[2016-09-27 15:58:45] BitMEX_Wally : Oil futures trade today for oil that has not been drilled yet
[2016-09-27 15:59:00] wurstgelee : maybe if u would trade futures for a commodity that is not being traded yet-...yes, i agree
[2016-09-27 15:59:03] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-09-27 15:59:25] wurstgelee : yes, but oil itself is already traded
[2016-09-27 15:59:57] wurstgelee : oh, now i get it. yeah, you got a point =)
[2016-09-27 15:59:58] BitMEX_Wally : Maybe we should just rename the Zcash future as a 'Zcash IOU'.
[2016-09-27 16:00:21] rapidtrades : i still don't know what zcash is
[2016-09-27 16:00:24] BitMEX_Wally : And instead of being owed 1 Zcash token in December, you are owed the price of 1 Zcash token, in Bitcoin
[2016-09-27 16:00:32] wurstgelee : that would imply you could swap those for zcash tho, no?
[2016-09-27 16:00:36] wurstgelee : the IOU thing
[2016-09-27 16:00:53] wurstgelee : unless you clarify it like u just did ofc
[2016-09-27 16:00:55] BitMEX_Wally : Well, this would be a cash settled IOU
[2016-09-27 16:01:16] BitMEX_Wally : Which would have to be made clear, that you are owed the Bitcoin needed to buy 1 Zcash token, rather than the token itself
[2016-09-27 16:01:25] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-09-27 16:01:40] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: do your homework
[2016-09-27 16:03:22] rapidtrades : wurstgelee: I'd rather do ur mom instead
[2016-09-27 16:03:35] wurstgelee : u cant
[2016-09-27 16:04:23] rapidtrades : money talks bitch
[2016-09-27 16:04:41] wurstgelee : she died
[2016-09-27 16:05:27] rapidtrades : like I said, money talks
[2016-09-27 16:05:53] wurstgelee : gl ;)
[2016-09-27 16:06:48] wurstgelee : anyways, back 2 work
[2016-09-27 18:34:31] aethlios : what do you think of buying RTT's (from bitfinex) fot 0.005 usd??
[2016-09-27 18:43:22] arbitrage001 : aethlios: doubt it will go that low
[2016-09-27 18:44:54] arbitrage001 : people keeping or buying it treat it like lottery ticket
[2016-09-27 18:45:33] arbitrage001 : odd of recovery from theft is pretty much close to zero probability in my view
[2016-09-27 18:47:39] aethlios : arbitrage001: well I guess it could make speculative rallies, from 1 cent to 3 and 5 and back again, that's my goal. maybe technology change in the future and manage to spot the thief.
[2016-09-27 18:49:12] arbitrage001 : doubt making money is that easy
[2016-09-27 18:49:25] arbitrage001 : 1 cents to 5 cents is 500% difference
[2016-09-27 18:49:56] arbitrage001 : 1k investment becomes 5k
[2016-09-27 18:50:13] arbitrage001 : what is the likelihood?
[2016-09-27 18:53:50] BitMEX_Sam : Sounds like a common penny stock fallacy
[2016-09-27 18:55:35] arbitrage001 : to be fair, anything is possible in crypto space
[2016-09-27 18:55:54] arbitrage001 : btc went from 4 cents to 1200 usd
[2016-09-27 18:56:02] arbitrage001 : what do we know
[2016-09-27 18:56:45] arbitrage001 : or eth for example
[2016-09-27 19:08:39] Sampey : hi, any Bitmex Admin here?
[2016-09-27 19:19:47] sleger : Sampey: Hi, how can we help ?
[2016-09-27 19:19:57] sleger : oops sorry wrong login, brb
[2016-09-27 19:20:21] Sampey : Lol :-)
[2016-09-27 19:20:30] Sampey : when you're back i will tell you :-
[2016-09-27 19:27:33] BitMEX_Sam : Sampey: What's up?
[2016-09-27 19:27:43] Sampey : hi
[2016-09-27 19:27:51] Sampey : some of my customers ask me about your exchange
[2016-09-27 19:27:56] Sampey : so i found your channell
[2016-09-27 19:28:03] Sampey : that is faster than email
[2016-09-27 19:28:17] Sampey : if you want we can continue talk private or public, no problem
[2016-09-27 19:31:12] Sampey : ??
[2016-09-27 19:31:33] Sampey : sorry i need your attention, if you don't have time it's not a problem, but i need to chat :-)
[2016-09-27 19:35:23] BitMEX_Sam : Sampey: Message me, @STRML on IRC
[2016-09-27 19:36:02] Sampey : ok
[2016-09-27 20:20:51] XMRer : hi ALT
[2016-09-27 20:22:59] jeeburns : Hey, here
[2016-09-27 20:36:23] mjones : damn btc dumping
[2016-09-27 20:45:11] Rizky : has Augur been discussed here?
[2016-09-27 20:45:16] Rizky : you guys thinking of listing REP?
[2016-09-27 20:57:56] BitMEX_Sam : Rizky: Yeah, that's something we've discussed a few times. Depends on trade volume
[2016-09-27 20:58:20] Rizky : cool, will keep an eye
[2016-09-27 23:33:39] omicron : pardon my ignorance what is REP. its not XRP?
[2016-09-27 23:35:35] BitMEX_Greg : REP is Augur: https://www.augur.net/
[2016-09-27 23:35:42] BitMEX_Greg : XRP is Ripple
[2016-09-27 23:36:05] omicron : is it a token
[2016-09-28 00:16:55] BitMEX_Greg : I'm not exactly sure. Just looking at the "what is" video and seems interesting
[2016-09-28 01:06:28] jose : REP is the token representing reputation on Augur, XRP is the native currency on Ripple
[2016-09-28 02:49:29] omicron : when it says 333 bots, is it 333 bots connected to bitmex or just the trollbox
[2016-09-28 03:16:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 350 @ 0.002079
[2016-09-28 03:44:07] BitMEX_Wally : omicron: I think that counts the number of WebSocket/REST users that are not from the frontend app
[2016-09-28 09:38:06] yz : Hi
[2016-09-28 09:44:58] BitMEX_Arthur : yz: Welcome to BitMEX
[2016-09-28 10:29:52] windoze : how high will zcash go? anyone care to guess? :P
[2016-09-28 11:35:14] chueche : y
[2016-09-28 12:00:10] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 821 @ 0.08938
[2016-09-28 12:41:32] Progamer : fuck Zcash idiots
[2016-09-28 13:28:22] Boontjie : 73 coins, 40 at max gearing...
[2016-09-28 13:28:29] Boontjie : if they liquidate immediately everyone is getting called
[2016-09-28 13:35:11] rapidtrades : wait a f*cking minute
[2016-09-28 13:35:14] rapidtrades : €327,955 / €71,301,248
[2016-09-28 13:35:22] rapidtrades : they're pricing it in EUROS
[2016-09-28 13:35:24] rapidtrades : EUROS
[2016-09-28 13:35:26] rapidtrades : RUEORS
[2016-09-28 13:36:02] rapidtrades : so they're raising 80 mil now 71 mil
[2016-09-28 13:36:05] rapidtrades : like wtf.....
[2016-09-28 13:36:12] rapidtrades : was it always in euros
[2016-09-28 13:36:32] rapidtrades : why are they raising 80 when they only lost 70
[2016-09-28 13:36:46] rapidtrades : plus they kept 10 to buy off ppl
[2016-09-28 13:42:30] Boontjie : rapidtrades: I saw the 80 mil yes. They want the 10mil back they already bought coins with
[2016-09-28 13:42:50] laisee : its a business, after all ...
[2016-09-28 13:42:51] Boontjie : BFX tokens*
[2016-09-28 14:19:44] rapidtrades : speaking bastards raising money in euros
[2016-09-28 14:19:50] rapidtrades : sneaky******
[2016-09-28 14:20:20] Boontjie : rapidtrades: the currency displayed depends on your ip I think?
[2016-09-28 14:21:15] rapidtrades : bastards
[2016-09-28 14:33:24] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: i hope they succeed
[2016-09-28 14:33:40] arbitrage001 : like to redeem my token at 1 dollar
[2016-09-28 14:34:30] arbitrage001 : regardless of what happen
[2016-09-28 14:35:13] arbitrage001 : i think they will do another token redemption this month
[2016-09-28 14:35:42] arbitrage001 : raise "confidence"
[2016-09-28 15:20:12] mrp1nk : sup fgts
[2016-09-28 15:20:49] mrp1nk : it's been a while...
[2016-09-28 15:22:33] mrp1nk : @BitMEX: what about adding the shitcoin of the week (xrp)?
[2016-09-28 15:24:32] BitMEX_Greg : We are actually discussing internally @mrp1nk
[2016-09-28 15:25:00] mrp1nk : cool, thx!
[2016-09-28 15:25:13] rapidtrades : and now ur discussing it externally!
[2016-09-28 15:25:22] mrp1nk : don't wait too long
[2016-09-28 15:25:33] mrp1nk : (if possible)
[2016-09-28 15:27:31] BitMEX_Greg : haha yes
[2016-09-28 15:34:47] Rado : I think ZEC will crash hard after release
[2016-09-28 15:34:57] Rado : I mean here
[2016-09-28 15:37:58] Rado : Kraken deposits and withdrawals disabled
[2016-09-28 15:38:03] Rado : anyone know what's up
[2016-09-28 15:46:00] BitMEX_Greg : Unsure, haven't heard anything yet
[2016-09-28 15:52:22] Rado : BitMEX_Greg: which indexes comprise XBT spot?
[2016-09-28 15:53:17] Rado : I mean which exchanges are in Kaiko
[2016-09-28 15:53:21] Rado : still the two only?
[2016-09-28 15:53:51] d00ber : https://www.kaiko.com/bitmex
[2016-09-28 15:54:27] d00ber : currently bitstamp and okcoin
[2016-09-28 15:54:37] Rado : right
[2016-09-28 15:54:41] Rado : so no change
[2016-09-28 15:54:45] d00ber : right
[2016-09-28 15:55:10] Rado : very dangerous as either of these can move a lot on small volume
[2016-09-28 15:55:37] Rado : I know there is no good exchange, but we need more added to the index
[2016-09-28 15:55:47] d00ber : lol how many of these text replacements are there?
[2016-09-28 15:56:06] Rado : not many
[2016-09-28 15:56:11] Rado : but okcoin is a good one
[2016-09-28 15:56:25] Rado : GDAX in my opinion is good
[2016-09-28 15:56:36] Rado : has been very stable and with relatively good volume
[2016-09-28 15:57:15] Rado : BitMEX_Greg: any chance GDAX gets added to Kaiko?
[2016-09-28 16:00:50] jung1 : hello
[2016-09-28 16:02:34] jung1 : gemini auctions are really great
[2016-09-28 16:02:40] jung1 : like the idea
[2016-09-28 16:02:42] jung1 : Day 6 (2016-09-26): 793 BTC @ $605.015 Day 5 (2016-09-25): 1,002 BTC @ $599.455 Day 4 (2016-09-24): 1,050 BTC @ $598.51 Day 3 (2016-09-23): 3,098 BTC @ $599.50 Day 2 (2016-09-22): 2,090 BTC @ $595.75 Day 1 (2016-09-21): 2,104 BTC @ $593.67
[2016-09-28 16:04:04] BitMEX_Greg : Rado: Yeah we are looking into some other alternatives. GDAX and Gemini have both been discussed
[2016-09-28 16:06:58] omicron : jung1: why would you personally perfer to buy at some unknown price? dont you already have a price in mind when you want to buy?
[2016-09-28 16:07:29] omicron : i mean, do you want a guaranteed buy? do you want a fair price?
[2016-09-28 16:08:03] jung1 : its much better for insitutional investor and for everyone who want to buy bigger amout without affect market price
[2016-09-28 16:08:16] jung1 : its not for daytrading
[2016-09-28 16:08:18] BitMEX_Greg : The way the auction works though is that you you never pay more than your limit price
[2016-09-28 16:08:23] BitMEX_Greg : you can get a better price however
[2016-09-28 16:08:30] jung1 : +1
[2016-09-28 16:08:44] BitMEX_Greg : They are attempting to hit at the OTC market
[2016-09-28 16:08:49] BitMEX_Greg : which is a pretty large market
[2016-09-28 16:09:13] omicron : so how are they different from limit orders
[2016-09-28 16:09:34] omicron : theoretically you can get better price with limit too
[2016-09-28 16:11:55] BitMEX_Greg : Well with limit orders you buy at your designated price
[2016-09-28 16:12:47] jung1 : https://gemini.com/blog/introducing-the-first-ever-daily-bitcoin-auction/
[2016-09-28 16:13:17] BitMEX_Greg : With auctions, if you place a buy order at price 100, and there is another order with price 90. Then a sell comes in with a price of 90, then the price should be like a VWAP between 100 and 90. I need to double check their actual calculation, but thats how most stock market auctions work
[2016-09-28 16:13:27] BitMEX_Greg : they calculate the average price, so its fair for all users
[2016-09-28 16:14:32] jung1 : you are right
[2016-09-28 16:14:40] jung1 : this is how it works on gemini
[2016-09-28 16:15:31] BitMEX_Greg : let me take a look. I am not sure if its entirely 100% correct
[2016-09-28 16:26:31] BitMEX_Greg : Actually in my example, I believe the price would be 90. According to Gemini, the final auction price is the price at which the greatest aggregate buy and sell demand from all orders can be filled.
[2016-09-28 16:26:58] BitMEX_Greg : So you never pay more than you want, but have the possibility to get a better price than you set
[2016-09-28 17:46:14] aethlios : If zcash tech fails, then monero and cryptonote will be the only game in town for untraceable money
[2016-09-28 18:14:59] poes : aethlios: dash isnt untracable?
[2016-09-28 18:16:25] poes : doesnt dash have higher market cap then all the coins you mentioned except monero? @aethlios
[2016-09-28 18:16:42] aethlios : poes: dash is a mystery, it is based on btc code with a mixing system, monero has a different algo from btc (that's why no GUI), so I don't really trust dash.
[2016-09-28 18:18:37] aethlios : poes: they had a big premine, and this system with masternodes makes 50% of new coins distributed to the same holders, who then create new masternodes etc. It must be a controlled coin by few.
[2016-09-28 18:19:24] poes : ok interesting
[2016-09-28 18:20:09] poes : thanks
[2016-09-28 18:20:18] aethlios : poes: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/block.dws?000007d91d1254d60e2dd1ae580383070a4ddffa4c64c2eeb4a2f9ecc0414343.htm
[2016-09-28 18:21:14] aethlios : see 1st block with 500 coins, also around 2 mill mined in first blocks in a fast time. I don't say it is bad but has some "dark" sides....
[2016-09-28 18:32:36] jung1 : BitMEX_Greg: how about that? https://www.easymarkets.com/eu/en/trade/risk-free-dealcancellation/
[2016-09-28 18:37:31] omicron : is it a blind book on gemini auction? or can everyone see everyone elses bid/ask
[2016-09-28 18:39:42] BitMEX_Sam : omicron: It's blind/dark
[2016-09-28 18:41:15] jung1 : hi sam
[2016-09-28 18:50:20] BitMEX_Sam : Hey jung1.
[2016-09-28 19:04:38] BitMEX_Greg : jung1: That page doesn't seem to work for me
[2016-09-28 19:05:18] jung1 : its european forex broker https://www.easymarkets.com
[2016-09-28 19:05:42] jung1 : and they announce risk-free-dealcancellation
[2016-09-28 19:07:18] BitMEX_Greg : what does that mean? Risk free deal cancellation?
[2016-09-28 19:08:39] jung1 : you can cancel your order up to 60min before expiration
[2016-09-28 19:10:32] habibi : broker is not stupid, u pay additional fee that basically will be bigger than potential loss most of the times, fee is set up by market volatility
[2016-09-28 19:11:00] habibi : honey pot for new traders
[2016-09-28 19:11:37] jung1 : its not free that for shure
[2016-09-28 19:12:00] jung1 : but it cost 10% of your depo that is need to open position
[2016-09-28 19:13:27] habibi : nope, cost depends on actual market volatility, guess can vary a lot
[2016-09-28 21:06:47] loba333 : BitMEX_Greg: any chance you know how long my deposits guna take ?
[2016-09-28 21:08:07] justinlooking : 1 conf
[2016-09-28 21:08:56] loba333 : been pending for ages
[2016-09-28 21:09:03] justinlooking : last block was 33 mins ago
[2016-09-28 21:09:57] justinlooking : btc.blockr.io is decent block explorer
[2016-09-28 21:11:57] loba333 : https://blockchain.info/tx/f02c55f7f50360a2858446b72bdf7195ea79b5a26ea71c34ae33d9646aa3568e
[2016-09-28 21:12:15] loba333 : That blocks not confirmed right ?
[2016-09-28 21:13:04] justinlooking : ?
[2016-09-28 21:13:56] loba333 : thats my txid
[2016-09-28 21:14:49] justinlooking : '?
[2016-09-28 21:17:00] justinlooking : bitmex wallet are 3BMEX
[2016-09-28 21:18:16] BitMEX_Greg : loba333: I'll look into this for you
[2016-09-28 21:18:29] loba333 : Thanks greg !
[2016-09-28 21:22:55] BitMEX_Greg : Yes I still see it as pending as it has not had 1 confirmation on the network yet. The network may be slow. What type of fee did you attach to it?
[2016-09-28 21:33:05] loba333 : the one polo gives
[2016-09-28 21:33:15] loba333 : should have added more
[2016-09-28 21:55:56] BitMEX_Greg : loba333: I see that it should have been credited. Let me know if you still have any issues.
[2016-09-28 21:59:49] omicron : if I bought at 602.61 and the current id is 603.09 why is my ROE -1.99%
[2016-09-28 22:00:43] omicron : current *bid
[2016-09-28 22:01:06] omicron : oh its mark price
[2016-09-28 22:01:39] omicron : mark price/index price fvck this is confusing
[2016-09-28 22:02:14] omicron : so i can set liq price to last price correct?
[2016-09-28 22:02:25] omicron : instead off mark price?
[2016-09-28 22:02:32] BitMEX_Greg : Your pnl is marked at mark price
[2016-09-28 22:02:43] BitMEX_Greg : No, liquidations are set to mark price
[2016-09-28 22:02:50] BitMEX_Greg : You can set stops at mark, index, or last price however
[2016-09-28 22:03:05] omicron : oh ok. so i just need to use a tighter than liq stop
[2016-09-28 22:03:11] BitMEX_Greg : Yeah basically
[2016-09-28 22:03:40] BitMEX_Greg : But watch out for gap risk. I.e. if it plunges quickly then the stop may not get executed in time before you are liquidated.
[2016-09-28 22:04:28] omicron : is tht for stop limit? what about stop market? it will get executed even with plunge?
[2016-09-28 22:05:52] BitMEX_Greg : It may not, again because of the gap risk. I.e. one tick is 600, next is 590 (for example in an extreme case). If your stop was 599.99 and your liquidation was 599 then you would have been liquidated instead of the stop being executed. (I believe)
[2016-09-28 22:09:02] omicron : ah right,
[2016-09-28 22:13:15] omicron : but with liq, even if it gaps it will exit my position at liq price?
[2016-09-28 22:14:06] omicron : i.e. in the above example, if my liq price was 595, even with a gap to 590, my position is closed effectively at 595
[2016-09-28 22:16:51] BitMEX_Greg : That's right, it will exit at the liq price
[2016-09-29 00:05:47] troll face : hello
[2016-09-29 00:05:56] AudibleScience : hey
[2016-09-29 00:06:09] AudibleScience : welcome @troll face
[2016-09-29 03:29:16] Rado : I am going to fall asleep watching these crypto prices
[2016-09-29 03:29:20] Rado : nothing moving
[2016-09-29 04:02:26] omicron : scalp every move bro
[2016-09-29 04:02:41] omicron : buy the bid, sell the ask, do it in large quantity
[2016-09-29 04:36:33] rapidtrades : that's a good way to lose ur shirt once things move
[2016-09-29 05:28:07] zanza : has anyone done a cumulative average of XBT funding rates to get an annual approx?
[2016-09-29 05:32:43] rapidtrades : thee's no way buttfinex will raise anywhere near 80mil
[2016-09-29 05:33:23] rapidtrades : only 300k after 4 days
[2016-09-29 05:39:57] rapidtrades : zanza: what are u trading attm
[2016-09-29 06:21:41] lockhedge : zanza: annualized rate for the last 4 month is about 45%, for the last 2 month around -5%
[2016-09-29 06:32:38] rapidtrades : -5% meaning shorts pay?
[2016-09-29 06:32:45] rapidtrades : that's some major bullshit
[2016-09-29 06:34:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 85 @ 0.02173
[2016-09-29 06:35:25] omicron : looks like 7:00am european time is volume low tide for bitmex. for a moment volume dropped below even coinpit
[2016-09-29 06:35:53] omicron : saw it on a tweet
[2016-09-29 06:42:13] omicron : so desperate for a move, i dont care which direction
[2016-09-29 06:47:08] BitMEX_Wally : omicron: I think that tweet was only looking at XBTUSD volume
[2016-09-29 06:48:05] omicron : ya. i guess you got to be provocative for your followers
[2016-09-29 08:08:09] rapidtrades : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UAeSsvHhTg
[2016-09-29 08:08:24] rapidtrades : ^^^ classic hot girl syndrome
[2016-09-29 08:08:47] rapidtrades : she got away with speaking bullshit for so long she's now turned psycho
[2016-09-29 08:11:27] mrp1nk : any thoughts on btc guise
[2016-09-29 08:12:31] mrp1nk : i'm neutral right to slightly bearish right now unless we see a higher high on the daily
[2016-09-29 08:12:32] rapidtrades : waiting for a breakout here
[2016-09-29 08:12:46] mrp1nk : (-right)
[2016-09-29 08:13:27] rapidtrades : it will come...maybe we're waiting for buttfinex resolution finally
[2016-09-29 08:13:38] rapidtrades : bastards killed the market
[2016-09-29 08:14:12] rapidtrades : €340,092 / €71,269,488
[2016-09-29 08:14:35] rapidtrades : there goes my shot at suing...
[2016-09-29 08:14:50] mrp1nk : yeah, bitfinex should really die imho
[2016-09-29 08:14:56] rapidtrades : anyway has experience with arbitration cases? how long do they take?
[2016-09-29 08:15:37] mrp1nk : i don't get why ppl still trade there...
[2016-09-29 08:15:58] rapidtrades : i don't know any real person that does....its fake
[2016-09-29 08:16:10] mrp1nk : must be some instance of stockholm syndrome if you ask me
[2016-09-29 08:16:12] rapidtrades : bitmex took them off their index, so did okc
[2016-09-29 08:16:36] rapidtrades : other sites know they're full of shit
[2016-09-29 08:16:53] mrp1nk : but but they say finex volume is fully legit while china is not /s
[2016-09-29 08:17:38] rapidtrades : at this point I expect everything from finex
[2016-09-29 08:17:54] rapidtrades : and they can't tell me they're not hiding smth
[2016-09-29 08:18:06] rapidtrades : this isn't a cut and dry theft like they claim
[2016-09-29 08:18:25] rapidtrades : smth was up there much earlier, they had problems for months
[2016-09-29 09:58:15] Tetsuo : i always suspected that their lending business was totally made up, and that most of it was provided by themselves. Once the credit bubble got to high, and a flash crash margin cascade was upon them they decided to go by the "theft" story. Bids (and shorts) were way too low to handle a margin long squeeze.
[2016-09-29 09:59:12] Tetsuo : i really don´t think that they ever had 40m from customers just to lend out
[2016-09-29 09:59:32] Tetsuo : it was probably all just numbers , just like Gox
[2016-09-29 10:00:25] Tetsuo : a crash below 4-500$ at that time probably would have put BTC on Finex into double digits territory
[2016-09-29 10:16:17] atodorov07 : It's true something was up in bitfinex. A month before the hack, the delayed my withdraw, then asked me for some personal documents. Haven't done that in the 2~ years I've used them.
[2016-09-29 10:21:57] rapidtrades : it will come out eventually
[2016-09-29 10:22:08] rapidtrades : some birdie will sing
[2016-09-29 11:49:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 19 @ 0.014867
[2016-09-29 11:55:47] omicron : Tetsuo: but the coins moved
[2016-09-29 11:58:00] rapidtrades : omicron: moved where
[2016-09-29 11:58:14] omicron : by the hacker
[2016-09-29 11:58:23] rapidtrades : they could've moved them...that doesn't prove anything
[2016-09-29 11:59:03] rapidtrades : I'm not even alleging theft....could be just gross incompetence
[2016-09-29 12:00:09] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 821 @ 0.09087
[2016-09-29 12:01:23] rapidtrades : i don't know how but that datacenter move has smth to do with it
[2016-09-29 12:54:45] mjones : so long xmr
[2016-09-29 12:55:03] mjones : 6k away from new low
[2016-09-29 13:03:02] mjones : and longed 0.014
[2016-09-29 13:04:19] rapidtrades : RIP jones
[2016-09-29 13:05:06] mjones : if 0.0136 isn't support then 0.0125 might be
[2016-09-29 13:05:15] mjones : otherwise 0.01
[2016-09-29 13:06:17] rapidtrades : or 0.001 amirite
[2016-09-29 13:06:24] mjones : i should just short it. seems this shitcoin is over
[2016-09-29 13:06:33] mjones : everyone long from a higher price is fucked
[2016-09-29 13:06:50] mjones : and like 32 days the price was higher
[2016-09-29 13:07:40] rapidtrades : lol u just shorted
[2016-09-29 13:07:58] rapidtrades : that was the fastest change in opinion i've seen yet
[2016-09-29 13:08:07] mjones : yeah
[2016-09-29 13:08:11] mjones : it isnt even much
[2016-09-29 13:08:12] rapidtrades : let's see if it pays off :)
[2016-09-29 13:08:15] mjones : 0.1 btc
[2016-09-29 13:08:50] omicron : rapidtrades: any idea why opinion drastically changed. Im wondering if the dark market basically P&D XMR
[2016-09-29 13:10:21] rapidtrades : no idea, i try to learn much
[2016-09-29 13:11:52] rapidtrades : i meant to say i try not to learn much
[2016-09-29 13:12:09] rapidtrades : apparently that includes grammar as well
[2016-09-29 13:18:57] billyboy402 : some one want to teach me , what the easy way to calurlate a margin call price
[2016-09-29 13:19:27] billyboy402 : if your brought XMR at 0.0150 that meant at 10x u get margin call when the price move 10% ?
[2016-09-29 13:54:38] troll face : fuck
[2016-09-29 13:55:28] justinlooking : XMRekt
[2016-09-29 13:57:11] troll face : whats with the low volume today?
[2016-09-29 13:58:59] mjones : always the quietest right before liftoff
[2016-09-29 14:27:16] CaptainDean : XMR as always bounce back, everytime i think it will sink, it doesn't :P
[2016-09-29 14:39:06] CaptainDean : But this is a good support test
[2016-09-29 14:59:44] Rado : why would anyone follow news ever
[2016-09-29 15:00:03] Rado : you don't know how will the underlying react on th enews
[2016-09-29 15:00:12] Rado : just follow price and chart :-)
[2016-09-29 15:07:09] sebaas : I'm trying to find pre-sale Augur, anyone has a link?
[2016-09-29 15:22:38] messiaen8844 : December futures coming tomorrow?
[2016-09-29 15:23:05] messiaen8844 : actually I even miss the 7D BTC futures
[2016-09-29 15:25:10] BitMEX_Greg : sebaas: Seems the sale has ended already: https://sale.augur.net/
[2016-09-29 15:26:31] messiaen8844 : price pre-sale?
[2016-09-29 15:27:47] messiaen8844 : wow Augur passed 0.02BTC in Coinmarketcap
[2016-09-29 15:29:12] BitMEX_Greg : Can't see how many tokens were issued during the presale
[2016-09-29 15:29:19] messiaen8844 : 11M i think
[2016-09-29 15:29:41] messiaen8844 : bought a few BTCs of REP, I think it will be a spetacular dump on release
[2016-09-29 15:30:16] messiaen8844 : on 0.02BTC
[2016-09-29 15:30:53] messiaen8844 : Tried to sell my REP via developers escrow, OTC bids were way below that
[2016-09-29 15:33:40] BitMEX_Greg : Interesting
[2016-09-29 15:33:47] BitMEX_Greg : We may list a future on it soon
[2016-09-29 15:40:01] messiaen8844 : that was after ETH DAO hack
[2016-09-29 15:40:54] messiaen8844 : I would love a future to hedge my REPs
[2016-09-29 15:41:06] messiaen8844 : BFX pumping
[2016-09-29 15:58:29] sebaas : BitMEX_Greg: thanks greg, I know the crowdsale ended, I was hoping OTC
[2016-09-29 15:58:41] sebaas : It seems tho that escrow is not supported until actual launch
[2016-09-29 15:58:59] sebaas : so have to find a nice entry after launch
[2016-09-29 15:59:01] BitMEX_Greg : Ok no worries, sorry unable to help you there. Maybe some sellers on reddit or on the augur forums?
[2016-09-29 15:59:33] sebaas : Would be nice if BitMEX offers it :)
[2016-09-29 15:59:45] sebaas : but let's see how much volume it brings first, I guess :)
[2016-09-29 16:00:43] sebaas : messiaen8844: why dump? I think it has the hype factor, and ETH is still going strong too, don't see why it would dump
[2016-09-29 16:01:08] sebaas : ONly thing I hope is that btc rally won't crap on it
[2016-09-29 16:02:13] messiaen8844 : I will be very happy if you buy from me at 1000% of crowdsale price (BTC-WIse, USD wise it's 2000%)
[2016-09-29 16:02:47] sebaas : Did it go 10x already? Sheeit
[2016-09-29 16:02:52] messiaen8844 : it's actually the ETH valuation
[2016-09-29 16:03:14] messiaen8844 : crowdsale was before public ETH Frontier
[2016-09-29 16:03:42] sebaas : You're right, 0.02 seems to be the going rate now
[2016-09-29 16:04:12] messiaen8844 : It went even higher on Gatecoin (0.03 or 0.04 AFAIR), but of course those were IOUs
[2016-09-29 16:04:18] messiaen8844 : and Gatecoin is obviously a scam, no?
[2016-09-29 16:06:07] messiaen8844 : might pump a bit in the begginig, but the outcome will be obviously a controlled slow dump
[2016-09-29 16:07:15] sebaas : my bet is on similarity with FCT
[2016-09-29 16:20:00] rapidtrades : my bet is on all of u being full of shit
[2016-09-29 16:21:57] messiaen8844 : rapidtrades: long that
[2016-09-29 17:17:55] rapidtrades : these Yen moves are getting ridiculous
[2016-09-29 17:18:07] rapidtrades : it's like smone replaced all the traders with children
[2016-09-29 17:50:43] habibi : rapidtrades: https://www.twitch.tv/whalepool/v/92057246 watch
[2016-09-29 17:53:14] aethlios : so quiet across all coins.
[2016-09-29 18:40:11] Rado : Anyone participating in the Kibo ICO?
[2016-09-29 18:55:18] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: whats up with dpe on zec?
[2016-09-29 19:00:10] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: From the 821 liquidation
[2016-09-29 19:00:48] habibi : yep but most of that liquidation was at 0.13sth without dpe
[2016-09-29 19:02:27] justinlooking : 78% dpe lol
[2016-09-29 19:02:49] omicron : 78% is that XMR?
[2016-09-29 19:02:56] justinlooking : ZEC
[2016-09-29 19:03:19] omicron : that's some roughly caressed shit. Who is the genius who came up with DPE? shit idea pure shit
[2016-09-29 19:04:03] omicron : oh right, it was okc
[2016-09-29 19:04:13] BitMEX_Greg : I think it was from a position that was put on on the dump and then the price rise after
[2016-09-29 19:04:23] BitMEX_Greg : I need to check with the other guys about this HK time
[2016-09-29 19:04:44] omicron : im glad everyone is moving over to delever
[2016-09-29 19:05:11] omicron : conservative traders will now not be punished at the benefit of gamblers
[2016-09-29 19:05:28] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: but what about 300liq at 0.13 that didnt got filled and went back down to 0.08 sth
[2016-09-29 19:06:06] omicron : bitmex whole trading engine is so complex that it is unpredictable to retail traders
[2016-09-29 19:06:32] omicron : i mean, i like the team and the UI. But something missing here folks
[2016-09-29 19:06:58] marko4807 : I just came to bitmex, its a bit complicated but I guess it takes some getting used to
[2016-09-29 19:07:20] omicron : truth be told, there's not a lot of choices
[2016-09-29 19:07:20] habibi : marko4807: first u loose money, then u loose money
[2016-09-29 19:07:29] marko4807 : true
[2016-09-29 19:07:45] marko4807 : goes for other way around, right? xd
[2016-09-29 19:14:24] Rizky : where do you see current ZEC DPE?