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[2016-09-29 19:15:47] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: Not too sure. It might have been filled
[2016-09-29 19:18:04] BitMEX_Greg : Rizky: On the trade page (https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/ZECZ16), on the lower left side under "contract details" you will see the current price and an "i 78.32%" that is the current DPE number
[2016-09-29 19:18:13] BitMEX_Greg : It is also shown at the top of the orderbook
[2016-09-29 19:18:52] Rizky : ahh
[2016-09-29 19:18:55] Rizky : thanks G
[2016-09-29 19:20:33] Rizky : that resets when?
[2016-09-29 19:21:10] habibi : so basically every long now is fucked up probally for long time
[2016-09-29 19:22:16] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: it got filled, my apologies
[2016-09-29 19:22:28] habibi : on that dump u mentioned
[2016-09-29 19:24:31] zanza : 79% DPE wtf?
[2016-09-29 19:25:41] zanza : `[{"orderID":"5232f3ba-4333-bae0-c264-bf35b4961cfa","symbol":"ZECZ16","side":"Buy","price":0.090872,"leavesQty":821}`
[2016-09-29 19:27:58] wurstgelee : lol. nice DPE ...
[2016-09-29 19:28:57] wurstgelee : sell one contract and its gone again ;)
[2016-09-29 19:29:46] habibi : wurstgelee: nope
[2016-09-29 19:29:55] wurstgelee : ok, it less oO
[2016-09-29 19:29:57] wurstgelee : *its
[2016-09-29 19:33:31] omicron : With all due respect I don't think you can list a product with no liquidity with high leverage. DPE/ADL none of that shit is going to work
[2016-09-29 19:33:51] Tetsuo : yes we can!
[2016-09-29 19:33:54] habibi : omicron: with all due respect who cares what u talk :D
[2016-09-29 19:34:10] omicron : habibi: your mom does
[2016-09-29 19:34:13] zanza : looks like some insurance fund was moved towards the DPE
[2016-09-29 19:34:23] wurstgelee : zanza: ?
[2016-09-29 19:34:28] habibi : omicron: don't learn from rapidtrades, it sucks
[2016-09-29 19:34:30] zanza : its down to 61% now
[2016-09-29 19:34:39] wurstgelee : zanza: becaust one contract got sold
[2016-09-29 19:34:49] wurstgelee : last price marking ;)
[2016-09-29 19:34:54] CaptainDean : 0.090872 821 835
[2016-09-29 19:35:02] CaptainDean : this is a liquidation that is not fill yet
[2016-09-29 19:35:08] omicron : habibi: dont mean to offend. but basically im saying bitmex guys are smart, they should just figure it out
[2016-09-29 19:35:14] CaptainDean : which bring sthe DPE
[2016-09-29 19:35:34] habibi : CaptainDean: Change nick to CaptainObvious
[2016-09-29 19:35:39] omicron : instead of blindly copying shit. soc losses from okc and call it DPE. contract termination from cryptofacilities and call it ADL
[2016-09-29 19:35:45] CaptainDean : habibi: hahaha :P
[2016-09-29 19:36:20] habibi : and partially from bitvc* :)
[2016-09-29 19:36:21] CaptainDean : I think someone was wondering why, just syaing
[2016-09-29 19:36:23] omicron : bitmex, guys you have 3 guys from wall st. you can come up with better shit than the okc guys. we depend on you to figure it out. please
[2016-09-29 19:39:38] omicron : my suggestion humble as it may be is to get more market makers and add liquidity. This will solve all your DPE problems
[2016-09-29 19:39:39] BitMEX_Greg : We are switching to autodelev soon. Should solve a lot of these problems
[2016-09-29 19:41:28] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: u will switch markets with actual dpe as well?
[2016-09-29 19:41:54] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: How do you mean?
[2016-09-29 19:42:21] habibi : i mean, zec will convert into adl with that liquidation open?
[2016-09-29 19:42:54] BitMEX_Greg : I'm not too sure. I'll need to ask Wally and the guys about what will happen if this remains
[2016-09-29 19:45:19] omicron : BitMEX_Greg: I hope you guys have a plan. If not, you may have to open a new contract and let this terminate
[2016-09-29 19:45:36] omicron : and you should expect to get shit about calculations if you do any conversions
[2016-09-29 19:46:31] omicron : which reminds me, i should probably exit al positions before the switch
[2016-09-29 19:47:01] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: k, could u try to specify what are the requirements for zcash market to be ur index price?i mean what if there will be exchange trading it at first day, will u add it as refence if it will be only one for days?
[2016-09-29 19:47:52] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: We aim to chose the most liquid market that supports its. There is going to be minimal liquidity for the first 2 weeks or so on Zcash
[2016-09-29 19:48:41] omicron : actually zcash is trading without an index now, correct?
[2016-09-29 19:48:58] habibi : so lets say bittrex will add it and will have few 100s btc volume from the first day, is that enough or u will wait for polo?
[2016-09-29 19:49:04] BitMEX_Greg : There is no index. We are using last price as the marking method
[2016-09-29 19:49:33] omicron : BitMEX_Greg: last price marking seems to be working well. why not use it for everything else? it will simplify a lot of stuff
[2016-09-29 19:49:37] BitMEX_Greg : Not sure. I would need to ask the guys about it
[2016-09-29 19:50:02] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: if u can would be awsome, just for clarification
[2016-09-29 19:50:08] BitMEX_Greg : omicron: In low liquid markets, it subjects it to manipulation
[2016-09-29 19:50:15] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: np
[2016-09-29 19:50:21] omicron : fyi coinpit uses last price marking and people seem to like it there
[2016-09-29 19:51:00] BitMEX_Greg : I heard they lost a lot of money because of it. Each to their own
[2016-09-29 19:51:55] BitMEX_Sam : The only reason Coinpit's last price marking works is because of the strict limit up/down
[2016-09-29 19:52:24] BitMEX_Greg : Right. So the issue is that there will be no bids or offers available when the limits hit
[2016-09-29 19:52:37] BitMEX_Sam : As for ZEC early settlement, no need, DPE is applied on a weekly basis so the DPE clears tomorrow.
[2016-09-29 19:53:28] omicron : BitMEX_Sam: ah i see... they dont let the price move
[2016-09-29 19:54:31] omicron : anyway, i mostly trade XBT here, so ZEC does not bother me too much. Once its on polo, i'll consider trading here. will it be swap or futures?
[2016-09-29 19:54:49] omicron : post DEC i mean
[2016-09-29 19:55:02] BitMEX_Greg : Depends on liquidity and borrow market availability I would say
[2016-09-29 19:56:04] omicron : im sure others have mentioned this, but futures seem to work better for thin markets
[2016-09-29 19:56:15] omicron : i love the swap on bitcoin, dont change it
[2016-09-29 20:08:42] mrp1nk : Discussion with Bitfinex CFO Giancarlo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7qv02ztfn4
[2016-09-29 20:48:12] lockhedge : very interesting... Giancarlo owns "over 1.2 million tokens", so the CFO had $3.3m on his own exchange "as a private user"
[2016-09-29 20:55:34] herpinator : wow
[2016-09-29 20:59:08] Tetsuo : i feel for him
[2016-09-29 21:09:33] aethlios : http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/29/deutsche-bank-shares-drop-after-report-that-some-hedge-funds-have-reduced-exposure.html
[2016-09-29 21:14:07] jeeburns : Hey just curious, had a pending deposit that disappeared. Don't see a balance
[2016-09-29 21:15:15] habibi : jeeburns: its called robin hood feature, ur money was splitted among top 10 daily losers here
[2016-09-29 21:15:39] jeeburns : lol
[2016-09-29 21:16:38] jeeburns : Anything I need to do or just wait till it posts?
[2016-09-29 21:17:07] habibi : try to restart pc, i heard this solution always works
[2016-09-29 21:18:09] Tetsuo : Monero on the verge of collapse
[2016-09-29 21:18:24] jeeburns : Seriously tho?
[2016-09-29 21:18:34] BitMEX_Sam : jeeburns: It's likely still confirming. If you search your wallet address on a block explorer, you will likely see the pending deposit.
[2016-09-29 21:18:42] BitMEX_Sam : We don't credit it to your account until it's been included in a block.
[2016-09-29 21:18:57] jeeburns : ok thank you :)
[2016-09-29 21:37:17] omicron : habibi are you serious? DPE also applies to deposits?
[2016-09-29 21:38:25] BitMEX_Sam : That's not true, where did you get that idea?
[2016-09-29 21:39:53] mjones : I can't wait till DPE starts.
[2016-09-29 21:41:04] habibi : omicron: nah, i tried to be funny and failed like always :(
[2016-09-29 21:43:05] justinlooking : habibi: i lol'd
[2016-09-29 21:43:12] justinlooking : well more sniggered
[2016-09-29 21:49:02] omicron : what is sceoed mean
[2016-09-29 21:49:41] omicron : habibi dont feel bad, thats why we have trollbox, to troll
[2016-09-29 22:07:15] habibi : omicron: u seems to be the nicest person i'v ever met here ;p
[2016-09-29 22:12:41] omicron : im still a beginner troll
[2016-09-29 22:12:50] omicron : one day i hope to be as obnoxious as bitmex_greg
[2016-09-29 22:14:16] omicron : i got a 20% profit now but i know the ROE is BS. Should I exit now or hope it will go higher
[2016-09-29 22:22:45] Tetsuo : if BTC hold, everything else drop ASAP
[2016-09-29 22:33:06] BitMEX_Greg : omicron: Stay on the trollbox and it will fix you right up in no time
[2016-09-29 22:33:58] omicron : honored to have the blessings my guru
[2016-09-29 22:34:22] BitMEX_Greg : Go now and troll away my young padawan
[2016-09-29 22:40:27] omicron : fvck i should have sold price is gonna drop now just to spite me
[2016-09-29 22:40:51] omicron : fock
[2016-09-29 22:40:56] omicron : fack
[2016-09-29 22:41:03] omicron : feck
[2016-09-29 22:41:07] omicron : fick
[2016-09-29 22:41:12] omicron : fuck
[2016-09-29 22:41:19] omicron : fyck
[2016-09-29 22:49:32] BitMEX_Greg : You're overdoing it
[2016-09-29 22:56:45] habibi : why for example right now mark price is 2103 on etc?
[2016-09-29 22:56:51] habibi : was*
[2016-09-29 23:05:17] sleger : click for more details
[2016-09-30 00:09:30] omicron : as expected, i should have sold when i had 20% and i predicted it would sell but greed is such a muther fvcker
[2016-09-30 00:10:06] omicron : fear and greed have fvcked my account despite calling every move correctly even in chop
[2016-09-30 00:10:19] omicron : anyone else can sympathise?
[2016-09-30 00:11:28] laisee : dem's da breaks ...
[2016-09-30 00:12:11] omicron : this is why you cant beat algos. they have no fear
[2016-09-30 00:13:17] omicron : bitmex should have used all their brains to just write a super algo
[2016-09-30 00:39:41] zanza : maybe they do
[2016-09-30 00:45:09] omicron : well if they had super algo, they dont need the pain of users like us
[2016-09-30 00:45:41] omicron : frankly, crypto customers are kinda rough to deal with, coz they been f'd in the ass too much
[2016-09-30 00:46:52] omicron : fvvvvvck 20% is now 0%. I know im gonna hold hoping it will go up just a bit but its gonna sell off and my in profit trade is gonna be a loss
[2016-09-30 00:47:04] omicron : but if I do sell now at breakeven, it will certainly go up
[2016-09-30 01:28:06] laisee : omicron: we have all got our popcorn ready, waiting for your next big move ... ;-)
[2016-09-30 01:30:26] laisee : Deutsche not having a good week.
[2016-09-30 03:49:35] JAYWARM : HELLO THERE!
[2016-09-30 03:49:52] JAYWARM : Im new here, do you offer auto trading here?
[2016-09-30 03:50:47] BitMEX_Greg : JAYWARM: Hi, welcome to the platform. We do not have any auto trading as such. You can create bots and use API's however
[2016-09-30 03:52:18] JAYWARM : im not so familiar with what bots and api works about,
[2016-09-30 03:53:20] JAYWARM : i just thought we have that option here, i seldom get online so kind of looking for legit companies who offers auto trade
[2016-09-30 03:53:35] omicron : what exactly do you mean auto-trade?
[2016-09-30 03:53:50] BitMEX_Greg : Copy trades?
[2016-09-30 05:42:26] d00ber : nice big ol buy on xbt... close to 100k contracts
[2016-09-30 06:12:19] Rado : automated trading
[2016-09-30 06:12:27] Rado : he means bots trading
[2016-09-30 06:13:38] Rado : JAYWARM: you can try https://cryptotrader.org/?r=467
[2016-09-30 06:14:14] Rado : I will create a bot for BitMEX eventually
[2016-09-30 06:14:28] Rado : too busy at the moment
[2016-09-30 06:47:24] Rado : BitMEX_Greg: is there still discount on commissions for new signups from my affiliate link?
[2016-09-30 07:27:05] aethlios : DB below 10 euro
[2016-09-30 07:37:56] Kalman : aethlios: 10 too much ;)
[2016-09-30 07:58:10] aethlios : DB could make usd rally, so china devalue yuan and start a new btc rally.
[2016-09-30 08:03:30] Kalman : aethlios: DB ignites your hopes & phantasies
[2016-09-30 09:01:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 70 @ 0.013535
[2016-09-30 09:03:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 2706 @ 0.013301
[2016-09-30 09:30:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 1500 @ 0.013208
[2016-09-30 09:48:57] rapidtrades : the guy that shorted XMR did well....
[2016-09-30 09:49:03] rapidtrades : ...if we didn't change his mind again
[2016-09-30 09:50:55] justinlooking : check 'em up
[2016-09-30 10:08:44] rapidtrades : there's an indicator on BFX
[2016-09-30 10:09:21] rapidtrades : woot deleveraging soon
[2016-09-30 10:29:27] habibi : whats up with bitfinex contract?
[2016-09-30 10:31:53] habibi : nvm, there is already new one as well
[2016-09-30 10:32:02] aethlios : habibi: investors buy bfx to participate to the equity conversion, no other way.
[2016-09-30 10:35:10] rapidtrades : €430,240 / €71,294,894
[2016-09-30 10:36:03] habibi : aethlios: i was asking about future contract here, new contract made me confused
[2016-09-30 10:36:30] rapidtrades : only 94% more to go!
[2016-09-30 10:36:58] rapidtrades : i'm sure ppl will pile in last minute cos buttfinex is such a great investment
[2016-09-30 11:50:09] mjones : just noticed bitmex back on cryptowatch
[2016-09-30 11:55:34] mjones : damn. dont start pumping xmr for another 4 minutes
[2016-09-30 12:00:09] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 821 @ 0.09067
[2016-09-30 12:00:35] mjones : 821 rekt
[2016-09-30 12:00:54] mjones : lol @ xmr orderbook
[2016-09-30 12:01:27] mjones : now it's better
[2016-09-30 12:02:35] sleger : no december, shame on you bitmex
[2016-09-30 12:02:38] MrJ1m : no more BTC 3M ?
[2016-09-30 12:02:41] mjones : no more
[2016-09-30 12:02:42] MrJ1m : right! shame!!
[2016-09-30 12:02:53] MrJ1m : damn
[2016-09-30 12:02:56] mjones : i was in it when it disappeared like a magician
[2016-09-30 12:03:16] MrJ1m : any reason why?
[2016-09-30 12:03:29] sleger : they want to give more business to 0kcoin
[2016-09-30 12:03:37] MrJ1m : lol well
[2016-09-30 12:03:45] mjones : trying to get better liquidity on perpetual swap
[2016-09-30 12:05:45] BitMEX_Arthur : We will send out an announcement soon about a 3m XBJ futures contract
[2016-09-30 12:06:14] BitMEX_Arthur : we will offer a full curve and we will see what users prefer
[2016-09-30 12:06:29] billyboy402 : what did the xmr sette at
[2016-09-30 12:06:31] MrJ1m : still :(
[2016-09-30 12:10:06] MrJ1m : damn that sucks. im in shock lol
[2016-09-30 12:10:37] habibi : 0.013415 billyboy402
[2016-09-30 12:11:12] billyboy402 : do you have the link for that mate ?
[2016-09-30 12:11:25] justinlooking : billyboy402: look in account->trade history
[2016-09-30 12:11:28] billyboy402 : what was the lower 0.01300 should of closed it early
[2016-09-30 12:12:05] billyboy402 : that suck , when you withdraw every thing . the chart change to a QR code \
[2016-09-30 12:12:36] Mm bot : Where is BTC 3m contract now?
[2016-09-30 12:18:14] mjones : @mmbot BitMEX_Arthur: We will send out an announcement soon about a 3m XBJ futures contract
[2016-09-30 12:21:46] justinlooking : so when does ZEC dpe get applied if it wasn't 20 mins ago?
[2016-09-30 12:22:49] BitMEX_Arthur : justinlooking: there was no DPE
[2016-09-30 12:24:59] justinlooking : Arthur: but the dpe indicator says there should have been 75-80%
[2016-09-30 12:27:13] BitMEX_Arthur : https://www.bitmex.com/app/settlementHistory
[2016-09-30 12:28:36] justinlooking : .Arthur: but the dpe indicator says there should have been 75-80%
[2016-09-30 12:40:26] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Arthur: again, noone will trade a JPY future
[2016-09-30 12:40:57] rapidtrades : do what ppl already trade, no need to reinvent
[2016-09-30 12:41:26] rapidtrades : like sleger said, we can trade long-dated futures elsewhere if USD is not an option here
[2016-09-30 12:43:41] MrJ1m : make bitmex great again
[2016-09-30 12:45:18] Sqrl : justinlooking: I expect the DPE will only be crystallised when that position gets liquidated.
[2016-09-30 12:46:57] Sqrl : The whole approach to margining, risk management and liquidation seems a bit questionable to me.
[2016-09-30 12:48:12] Sqrl : 821 contracts is 78% of the open interest.
[2016-09-30 12:52:51] XMRer : leave it to bitmex to screw things up again. I think they love it. I would be surprised if they close door and do a runner
[2016-09-30 12:53:09] XMRer : i wouldn't be surprised
[2016-09-30 12:53:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTCXBT`: Sell 8 @ 0.00631
[2016-09-30 12:53:53] habibi : so u don't have any funds here?
[2016-09-30 12:56:38] Sqrl : Presumably the DPE is calculated based on the price the liquidation order is placed at (i.e. .090673 currently).
[2016-09-30 12:56:53] Sqrl : And what point does the DPE hit 100%?
[2016-09-30 12:57:20] Sqrl : 0.101609?
[2016-09-30 13:02:12] MrJ1m : will a withdrawal sent 30 sec after deadline be included in today batch?
[2016-09-30 13:11:31] sleger : "BitMEX_Arthur: we will offer a full curve and we will see what users prefer" -> keep not listening, your clients are not japanese they dont want to trade jpy, even if you tweak the screen to trick them into thinking they trade usd
[2016-09-30 13:13:03] sleger : and you won't see what users prefer by doing that, you will only see what I said above
[2016-09-30 13:13:46] Rado : I don't get why the contract has to be JPY
[2016-09-30 13:14:24] Rado : I get that they have a partnership with Quoine
[2016-09-30 13:14:52] Rado : but they also trade BTC in USD
[2016-09-30 13:15:25] Rado : you can see 24 volume is 6 XBT on XBJ
[2016-09-30 13:15:41] Rado : 1472 XBT on XBT
[2016-09-30 13:15:46] Rado : huge difference
[2016-09-30 13:16:03] Rado : I don't understand how you go with the 0.1 % of users
[2016-09-30 13:16:17] Rado : wait for crazy Japanese to start trading first
[2016-09-30 13:16:32] rapidtrades : if being here taught me anything is that arguing won't make a difference :)
[2016-09-30 13:16:50] rapidtrades : we made our point clear...now they have to see the result to change
[2016-09-30 13:17:07] Rado : it will if we all stop trading
[2016-09-30 13:17:14] Rado : no commissions no BitMEX
[2016-09-30 13:18:06] Rado : actually no need to do that
[2016-09-30 13:18:24] Rado : they will see the trading fall off a cliff when they make the change
[2016-09-30 13:20:42] BitMEX_Greg : Appreciate the feedback, we consider ourselves to be highly adaptable. However we are targeting areas that we believe will be growth areas right now.
[2016-09-30 13:21:04] rapidtrades : japan is not a growth area, they will die out soon
[2016-09-30 13:21:14] BitMEX_Greg : Why do you think that?
[2016-09-30 13:21:21] rapidtrades : cos they've stopped having sex decades ago
[2016-09-30 13:21:25] Rado : Also you can target them without touching 90% of your business
[2016-09-30 13:21:33] billyboy402 : Must of been a lot of withdraws - there a little slow tonight
[2016-09-30 13:21:55] BitMEX_Greg : Haha, well I thought the government had introduced schemes for them to leave work early to spend more quality time at home
[2016-09-30 13:22:05] arbitrage001 : will long dated btc be back?
[2016-09-30 13:22:11] arbitrage001 : contract that is
[2016-09-30 13:22:18] BitMEX_Greg : Most likely another 3 month
[2016-09-30 13:22:21] arbitrage001 : 3,69,12 months
[2016-09-30 13:22:45] BitMEX_Greg : I don't think we will list longer than that, given the past volume in the longer dateds were quite small
[2016-09-30 13:22:54] arbitrage001 : ok
[2016-09-30 13:23:13] Rado : will be great if there is 1 month and 3 month
[2016-09-30 13:23:19] Rado : so you can do spreads
[2016-09-30 13:23:26] arbitrage001 : or 1,2,3 months
[2016-09-30 13:23:29] Rado : right now you can't
[2016-09-30 13:24:03] BitMEX_Greg : I'm not sure if we will have a monthly. But definitely a fortnightly contract
[2016-09-30 13:24:13] Rado : why is XBTU16 still showing as open possitions?
[2016-09-30 13:24:18] Rado : position
[2016-09-30 13:26:08] BitMEX_Greg : Do you mind taking a screenshot and sending to us?
[2016-09-30 13:26:18] Rado : sure
[2016-09-30 13:26:28] BitMEX_Greg : Thx
[2016-09-30 13:27:25] Rado : BitMEX_Greg: I did a hard refresh and it's gone
[2016-09-30 13:27:44] BitMEX_Greg : Ah ok, yeah might have just been a stale view
[2016-09-30 13:28:27] Rado : I guess browser stayed open and the view was not refreshed by the ajax or whatever you use
[2016-09-30 13:28:53] BitMEX_Greg : I'll have Sam take a look
[2016-09-30 13:29:23] Rado : rapidtrades: what happens if JPY falls against the USD
[2016-09-30 13:29:40] Rado : BTC will go up in JPY right?
[2016-09-30 13:33:00] BitMEX_Greg : Yeah 1 bitcoin will be more expensive to buy with JPY than with USD if JPY depreciates
[2016-09-30 13:37:09] Rado : anhone else thinks ZEC is an easy short here?
[2016-09-30 13:37:15] Rado : anyone
[2016-09-30 13:39:53] justinlooking : sort of
[2016-09-30 13:40:27] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: did u get clarification about the rules of adding exchange as an index price for zec?
[2016-09-30 13:41:22] arbitrage001 : habibi: where is zec being traded
[2016-09-30 13:42:34] habibi : arbitrage001: there are no zec main net coins yet
[2016-09-30 13:43:02] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: We will decide on an exchange early November, no set date as yet
[2016-09-30 13:44:19] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: could u set a clear rules as its important for trading here when there will be posibility to have price indexed to market
[2016-09-30 13:45:56] BitMEX_Greg : I understand your concern. I will bring it up with the guys see if we can add something to the contract specifications page
[2016-09-30 13:56:36] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: We will have some clearer rules coming soon
[2016-09-30 13:58:49] habibi : Thanks, looking forward to see them
[2016-09-30 14:48:20] Panoukla : I still don't get it why liquidating emptied my account
[2016-09-30 14:49:03] Rado : Panoukla: that's what liquidating does if you are using cross margin
[2016-09-30 14:49:16] Rado : or even if you used specific margin
[2016-09-30 14:49:25] Panoukla : i was cross
[2016-09-30 14:49:27] Rado : depends on what was your leverage
[2016-09-30 14:49:32] BitMEX_Greg : Panoukla: Hi, I can assist you here.
[2016-09-30 14:49:39] mjones : welcome back XMR buyers
[2016-09-30 14:49:51] Rado : so cross gives you maximum protection, but also wipes a lot of your holdings
[2016-09-30 14:49:55] sleger : yes please return all of his monies, it's not his fault if he got unlucky and took the wrong side of the trade
[2016-09-30 14:50:06] Panoukla : i lost all bc of the tiny last bit of monero dump
[2016-09-30 14:50:24] Rado : Panoukla: looks like your risk was big
[2016-09-30 14:50:30] BitMEX_Greg : As Rado was saying, using Cross Margin as the margin method uses all available funds in your account as margin. Please take a read of the margin page here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/isolatedMargin
[2016-09-30 14:50:36] Rado : you have to invest only portion of your holdings
[2016-09-30 14:50:40] BitMEX_Greg : sleger: You of all traders should know we don't do that
[2016-09-30 14:51:00] Rado : BitMEX_Greg: sleger was kidding
[2016-09-30 14:51:07] BitMEX_Greg : I know :)
[2016-09-30 14:51:10] Rado : :-)
[2016-09-30 14:51:13] sleger : yep, even if the trader is not the one who screwed up. I think he was kidding too rado
[2016-09-30 14:52:48] Panoukla : i thought i was losing just a portion but liquidating took all
[2016-09-30 14:53:44] Rado : did you have more than 50% of your holdings in this trade?
[2016-09-30 14:54:07] BitMEX_Greg : Panoukla: During a liquidation event, the engine will attempt to use all available funds you have assigned to it (in this case since you chose Cross Margin, then all available funds in your wallet) to avoid a liquidation. If the price kept declining then a liquidation will not be avoided.
[2016-09-30 14:54:23] BitMEX_Greg : Please take a read of the liquidation guide: https://www.bitmex.com/app/liquidation
[2016-09-30 14:54:54] BitMEX_Greg : I suggest to try a lower leverage if you are new to the system
[2016-09-30 14:55:49] habibi : aka deposit more as soon as possible! try harder
[2016-09-30 14:56:52] Panoukla : so may i have accounting about what price my contracts were sold by the machine bc it does add up..
[2016-09-30 14:57:14] BitMEX_Greg : Take a look at your trade history: https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-09-30 14:57:26] BitMEX_Greg : It will show you the liquidation event at the bankruptcy price.
[2016-09-30 15:00:40] Panoukla : it does but this sell order is nowhere to be found in the recent orders of monero
[2016-09-30 15:01:24] Panoukla : the machine sold me contracts at 0.012443
[2016-09-30 15:01:37] Panoukla : where is this order in the recent orders ?
[2016-09-30 15:02:01] Panoukla : the machine sold my contracts at 0.012443
[2016-09-30 15:03:17] BitMEX_Greg : The price you see is the bankruptcy price. You would have received a liquidation email explaining all the details regarding the liquidation and prices
[2016-09-30 15:04:20] BitMEX_Greg : The Maintenance Margin on Monero is 5%. The liquidation engine will liquidate you when your margin drops below this level and liquidate you at the bankruptcy price (at 0%). The engine will then attempt to close out the position in the market using the remaining funds to do so. Any funds leftover are added to the insurance fund.
[2016-09-30 15:07:21] sleger : and once this fund reaches 10k, the balance is transferred to my account, thank you for your contribution
[2016-09-30 15:08:50] Panoukla : the price went 65 satoshi lower than my margin and i lost all.. well done
[2016-09-30 15:23:45] arbitrage001 : is the newly propose future contract inverse too?
[2016-09-30 15:28:50] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, XBJ will be inverse
[2016-09-30 15:29:43] arbitrage001 : BitMEX_Sam: i mean the 7d, and 3 months contract
[2016-09-30 15:30:08] BitMEX_Sam : Yes - we're referring to the same thing.
[2016-09-30 15:30:21] arbitrage001 : BitMEX_Sam: alright. thank you
[2016-09-30 15:30:50] Sqrl : Huh. BTCZECZ16's DPE is back to 0%.
[2016-09-30 15:35:49] BitMEX_Sam : Sqrl: Yes, the price has dropped since yesterday, so the value of the position that the engine holds has increased and no loss is necessary
[2016-09-30 15:37:51] Sqrl : And now it's back up to 75.58%!!!
[2016-09-30 15:38:07] sleger : because someone traded 1 at 0.105
[2016-09-30 15:39:36] Sqrl : At 0.10657, the DPE was 75.7%
[2016-09-30 15:39:45] Sqrl : At .090674, it was 0%
[2016-09-30 15:39:55] Sqrl : At .025, it's 75.59%
[2016-09-30 15:40:10] Sqrl : Correction to last: At .015, it's 75.59%
[2016-09-30 15:46:27] habibi : a lot of people here want quanto, quote from bitmex mail "Many traders have noted the difficulty in trading Quanto futures products given the complexity and non-linearity." Lol :D
[2016-09-30 15:48:09] Sqrl : The difference in value on a 821 contract position between .090674 and .105 is 11.762 BTC.
[2016-09-30 15:48:29] BitMEX_Greg : We have seen many traders here say they don't like trading quanto at all.
[2016-09-30 15:48:30] Sqrl : "Profit Adjustment = Total Loss / (Total Profit + Existing Insurance Fund)"
[2016-09-30 15:48:43] Sqrl : And the existing insurance fund is 37 BTC.
[2016-09-30 15:48:52] Sqrl : Those numbers don't add up.
[2016-09-30 15:52:55] sleger : We have seen many traders here say they like trading quanto that's all.
[2016-09-30 15:53:12] BitMEX_Greg : lol
[2016-09-30 15:55:09] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: why not just give a choice to both groups? or simple say that main market maker don't want to mm quantos as they harder to mm
[2016-09-30 15:57:00] BitMEX_Greg : Sqrl: I believe funds have been spent on this liquidation aggressing the price up already. Also the liquidation fund covers all products, not just Zcash. That is why you are calculating the numbers you are.
[2016-09-30 15:58:04] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: Inverse seems more the industry standard. It promotes arbitrage. And yes you are correct, we have had several market makers reach out to us telling us they do not wish to MM quantos at all
[2016-09-30 15:58:36] habibi : but still there is mm on actual quantos so its not that bad at the end
[2016-09-30 15:59:14] BitMEX_Greg : Right, but from our feedback it becomes expensive for them thus perhaps larger spreads
[2016-09-30 16:00:05] habibi : still our choice whether we want to play larger spreads on quanto
[2016-09-30 16:00:46] Sqrl : Greg: So, what's the insurance fund for ZEC?
[2016-09-30 16:01:39] BitMEX_Greg : I don't have access to that information. I will need to check with Wally or one of the other founders.
[2016-09-30 16:02:19] Sqrl : Not exactly confidence-inspiring.
[2016-09-30 16:13:36] sleger : Well, the guy just came out of jail, i think it's actually comforting he doesn't have access to the private keys of the insurance fund yet :D
[2016-09-30 16:15:59] BitMEX_Greg : sleger: There's trolling and there's making false accusations. I've never been in jail before
[2016-09-30 16:16:26] sleger : You werent Arthur's drug dealer ?
[2016-09-30 16:17:41] BitMEX_Greg : I hope you don't research your trade ideas in the same manner you research exchanges
[2016-09-30 16:21:40] sleger : that was obviously a joke...
[2016-09-30 16:22:19] BitMEX_Greg : I know. I don't take anything you say seriously anyway :P
[2016-09-30 17:21:21] rapidtrades : sleger: who was in jail?
[2016-09-30 17:26:12] lockhedge : sleger just had too much champagne too early again
[2016-09-30 18:08:48] Satoshi2 : where can i short a crypto?
[2016-09-30 18:10:07] Tetsuo : internet
[2016-09-30 18:11:15] Kalman : hold fiat
[2016-09-30 18:16:54] Tetsuo : Zcash is blocked in both directions now. DPE works as upper limit, and the 800 contracts short liquidationworks for the downside
[2016-09-30 18:19:34] rapidtrades : 75% DPE..u don't see that often
[2016-09-30 18:20:57] Satoshi2 : how do you know i meant zcash ;-P ?
[2016-09-30 18:21:32] Tetsuo : most attractive short in here right now
[2016-09-30 18:23:18] Satoshi2 : i guess that is normal when an unproven coin is worth 60 USD lol ;-P
[2016-09-30 18:23:38] Satoshi2 : and when will it be possible to short it again in your opinion?
[2016-09-30 18:25:11] Tetsuo : start to build a position step by step , an entry point above 0.1 is very likely a no-brainer
[2016-09-30 18:26:10] Satoshi2 : Tetsuo: hi there,
[2016-09-30 18:26:18] Satoshi2 : thx for answering :)
[2016-09-30 18:26:31] Tetsuo : ur welcome
[2016-09-30 18:26:37] Satoshi2 : you said it is not possible to short zcash at the moment. is this correct?
[2016-09-30 18:27:17] Satoshi2 : i never shortet something and just want to play a little bit but like you said...it is a no brainer.
[2016-09-30 18:27:23] Tetsuo : it is possible
[2016-09-30 18:27:30] Satoshi2 : who are these people that BUY at these prices?!?!
[2016-09-30 18:27:37] BitMEX_Greg : Satoshi2: You can short Zcash. There are no restrictions
[2016-09-30 18:27:59] Satoshi2 : BitMEX_Greg: thx!
[2016-09-30 18:28:19] Satoshi2 : i have another question if you have time?
[2016-09-30 18:28:30] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: also could u try to specify when liquidation on zcash will be moving and when not ?
[2016-09-30 18:29:15] Satoshi2 : so i would like to short it: is it possible to make a short which will only close when i decide i want to sell or is there a point, at which the order gets antomatically sold?
[2016-09-30 18:29:34] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: How do you mean by when it will be moving or not?
[2016-09-30 18:30:08] habibi : it was above .09 few hours ago, now its way lower
[2016-09-30 18:30:10] BitMEX_Greg : Satoshi2: You can place stop orders
[2016-09-30 18:31:33] BitMEX_Greg : habibi: Something I need to find out. I believe the system moved with regards to how the market is moving
[2016-09-30 18:32:31] habibi : would be awsome if u would specify any rules... like any about that type of stuff. u know it looks shady whether it moves without clear reason
[2016-09-30 18:32:57] Tetsuo : BitMEX_Greg: ask one of the mods, they can probably help you
[2016-09-30 18:35:14] sleger : lol
[2016-09-30 18:35:56] BitMEX_Greg : Tetsuo: Question for Wally I'm afraid
[2016-09-30 18:46:11] lockhedge : habibi: the contract is marked to the last price, so i guess in the case of ZECZ16 the bid can't be moved down (before the liquidation itself gets filled) and can't be moved up anymore (because the insurance fund is already maxed out at this price) - and there is no funding (that effects the value of the liquidated position)
[2016-09-30 18:46:53] habibi : lockhedge: nope, it moved down
[2016-09-30 18:47:28] lockhedge : habibi: when?
[2016-09-30 18:47:49] habibi : like 90 minutes ago or sth around
[2016-09-30 18:47:53] habibi : guess manually
[2016-09-30 18:58:37] lockhedge : will BitMEX still allow open liquidations with ADL or will ADL immediately apply when a liquidation order doesn't get filled?
[2016-09-30 19:05:47] BitMEX_Greg : lockhedge: I believe ADL will apply if after an unsuccessful aggression of the liquidation. I am unsure if there is a time element too (i.e. the system waits for x minutes before applying ADL).
[2016-09-30 19:09:10] aethlios : what do you see zcash will reach before the real coin starts???
[2016-09-30 19:11:33] Tetsuo : 10000000$
[2016-09-30 19:14:00] lockhedge : 100% auto deleveraging
[2016-09-30 19:16:44] aethlios : https://z.cash/blog/continued-funding-and-transparency.html
[2016-09-30 19:17:00] aethlios : Therefore, they effectively paid $15.24 per coin.
[2016-09-30 19:25:47] sleger : "(along with the accompanying ownership of Zcash Co) "
[2016-09-30 19:26:06] sleger : they didnt pay 15$ just for the coins
[2016-09-30 19:31:51] AudibleScience : I just got a bunch of weird notices for no reason? Then got redirected to a page that said: Too Many Requests You have been initiating too many requests. Continued abuse will result in an IP ban.
[2016-09-30 19:32:14] AudibleScience : What's that about?
[2016-09-30 19:34:43] AudibleScience : FYI session was about to expire so I was just logging out to log back in when it happened.
[2016-09-30 19:36:37] BitMEX_Sam : AudibleScience: There's a bug on logout that does a request loop attempting to save your preferences.
[2016-09-30 19:36:44] BitMEX_Sam : I'm actually just in the process of deploying a fix for it.
[2016-09-30 19:37:05] BitMEX_Sam : There isn't any affect on your account, no worries.
[2016-09-30 19:37:19] AudibleScience : nice one.
[2016-09-30 20:03:51] omicron : BitMEX_Sam: wow dont you guys test these things on testnet before deploying?
[2016-09-30 20:04:07] BitMEX_Sam : Of course we do, this bug only manifests in very specific conditions.
[2016-09-30 20:04:15] BitMEX_Sam : Sometimes not everything is caught.
[2016-09-30 20:04:27] omicron : yes of course, i thought it happened everytime
[2016-09-30 20:35:05] justinlooking : had been meaning to report same thing
[2016-09-30 20:57:59] mjones : get in XMR 10x to double your BTC
[2016-09-30 21:05:17] mjones : nvm. people are still dumping large amounts
[2016-09-30 22:19:47] RocketScience : Bitcoin is moving in china :P
[2016-09-30 22:20:23] laisee : it moved there couple of years ago ... but keeps usa address
[2016-09-30 22:29:30] RocketScience : Btc actiooon, will it happen?
[2016-09-30 22:30:27] tommygunn : BOOM
[2016-09-30 22:32:39] mjones : short the fake out
[2016-09-30 22:33:25] Tetsuo : loooooooooool
[2016-09-30 22:33:44] Tetsuo : shit about to explode
[2016-09-30 22:34:57] aethlios : gogo bfx and btc....
[2016-09-30 22:36:39] aethlios : 2.5 mill. eur of finex fund, maybe ceo and other owners start to convert.
[2016-09-30 22:40:37] aethlios : rally to 1200 usd now, retrace to 950 and then we break ATH and rally to 10.000
[2016-09-30 22:41:33] tommygunn : look at 1hr chart insane
[2016-09-30 23:13:44] Tetsuo : we need someone to clean up the confetti!
[2016-09-30 23:26:51] Tetsuo : it would have been a great night , me on the after peak of my acid trip, watchin mr robot s02 as it al comes down to the godfather BTC,....
[2016-09-30 23:27:09] Tetsuo : but china dissapoinitin once again
[2016-09-30 23:28:52] Tetsuo : i have to work in 2 h, but my only colleague is female and dhot ih jop she understands that i´m trippin @ this hour
[2016-09-30 23:29:53] messiaen8844 : Total REP tokens and distribution: http://pastebin.com/AX7rCuby
[2016-09-30 23:30:06] Tetsuo : 2h, what should i do next
[2016-09-30 23:30:06] Tetsuo : fukk
[2016-09-30 23:32:19] habibi : why is supply less than total? ;p
[2016-09-30 23:34:01] Tetsuo : stop askin bizare questions, i can´t concentrate on impiortant things
[2016-09-30 23:49:55] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: nice gui changes
[2016-10-01 00:02:29] mjones : here goes BTC. rip alts
[2016-10-01 00:23:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 16 @ 0.02149
[2016-10-01 00:25:04] aethlios : are we mooning??
[2016-10-01 00:28:52] zen10 : moon that shit
[2016-10-01 00:33:58] rapidtrades : I'll moon both of ur moms if you don't shut up
[2016-10-01 00:35:29] habibi : still better than urs monoloques :)
[2016-10-01 00:40:51] zen10 : I'm just open to a mooning. don't get all full frontal on me.
[2016-10-01 00:41:04] zen10 : or my mom
[2016-10-01 01:01:55] aethlios : only blue skies for btc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haVzs5x6Tpk
[2016-10-01 01:18:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 397 @ 0.004517
[2016-10-01 01:30:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 286 @ 0.012502
[2016-10-01 01:33:58] Tetsuo : deep tracts of hell my monero frineds wish me good luck, i´m ready for work now
[2016-10-01 01:34:13] Tetsuo : http://i64.tinypic.com/24156oz.jpg
[2016-10-01 01:34:57] Tetsuo : see all in 6-8h
[2016-10-01 02:07:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 30 @ 0.02126
[2016-10-01 02:17:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 100 @ 0.011914
[2016-10-01 02:58:46] mjones : xmr bots malfunctioning
[2016-10-01 03:23:09] windoze : is it safe to short ZEC yet?
[2016-10-01 03:24:57] mjones : i'm wondering if there are some massive XMR polo longs about to be margin called
[2016-10-01 03:46:58] laisee : time to buy XMR?
[2016-10-01 04:12:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 200 @ 0.004340
[2016-10-01 04:43:55] zanza : CHEAP XMR
[2016-10-01 04:43:57] zanza : ON SALE NOW
[2016-10-01 04:58:04] laisee : GOING OUT OF BUSINESS - BUY FAST!!!
[2016-10-01 05:30:42] Kalman : Any issues with the websocket?
[2016-10-01 05:34:39] BitMEX_Wally : Kalman: What are you seeing?
[2016-10-01 05:37:04] BitMEX_Wally : Safari 10.0 - the latest version is quite aggressive with power management and it seems to disconnect the websocket when you tab away
[2016-10-01 05:38:43] Kalman : chrome runs here
[2016-10-01 05:39:15] Kalman : Couldn't connect to WS! Exiting.
[2016-10-01 05:39:57] Kalman : no change on your side ?
[2016-10-01 05:41:25] d00ber : i had some issues with the trollbox after updating to safari 10.0 but those were fixed with the UI update. Sometimes if i tab away for a minute or so I get "reconnecting to bitmex" for a few seconds when I tab back but then it works fine
[2016-10-01 05:42:00] d00ber : however i'm still on os x 10.11.6
[2016-10-01 05:44:46] Kalman : BitMEX_Wally: All fine! Thx.
[2016-10-01 07:19:20] rapidtrades : wtf 614?
[2016-10-01 07:19:35] rapidtrades : btce at 605
[2016-10-01 07:19:56] Martinos : yes indeed
[2016-10-01 07:20:03] rapidtrades : shitfinex leading again
[2016-10-01 07:20:08] Martinos : spike to 620
[2016-10-01 07:20:43] rapidtrades : if thsoe aholes didn't margin call my shorts I could finally close em now at nice profit
[2016-10-01 07:21:17] rapidtrades : lesson learned....not giving second chances after getting buttfinexed
[2016-10-01 07:22:23] Newmex : hello. is there a tutorial on the bitmex user interface? I am not familiar with the way this works. New here. Thanks.
[2016-10-01 07:22:44] Martinos : tja
[2016-10-01 07:23:10] Martinos : i also traded on finex
[2016-10-01 07:23:20] Martinos : but i always lost
[2016-10-01 07:23:25] Martinos : then i found bitmex
[2016-10-01 07:32:39] rapidtrades : now u lose here
[2016-10-01 07:33:15] Martinos : hehe i lose also many times
[2016-10-01 07:35:33] Martinos : but getting better
[2016-10-01 07:38:09] jesperf : Martinos: oh no, another swede losing money
[2016-10-01 07:41:46] rapidtrades : what happened to that other swede that was here last year
[2016-10-01 07:42:31] jesperf : there was another one?
[2016-10-01 07:43:17] rapidtrades : I think so, he was trying to get some churches to get donations in bitcoin
[2016-10-01 07:43:25] jesperf : lol
[2016-10-01 07:44:46] jesperf : anyway, a dead giveaway is when someone greets "tja" in an international chat. can only be a somewhat stupid swede
[2016-10-01 07:45:04] Martinos : thanks
[2016-10-01 07:45:08] Martinos : im not even from sweden
[2016-10-01 07:46:01] rapidtrades : tja
[2016-10-01 07:46:14] jesperf : :D
[2016-10-01 07:46:44] rapidtrades : only 2 days from deleveraging right
[2016-10-01 07:46:58] rapidtrades : hopefully before the next big move
[2016-10-01 07:47:03] jesperf : can't wait for monday
[2016-10-01 07:47:45] rapidtrades : yeah will be interesting to see how it works on 50/1 leverage
[2016-10-01 07:47:57] rapidtrades : when bitcoin dumps $150 :)
[2016-10-01 07:48:07] jesperf : indeed :)
[2016-10-01 07:54:20] rapidtrades : those volume bars are so distracting
[2016-10-01 07:54:42] zanza : cheap XMR rapidtrades
[2016-10-01 07:54:42] rapidtrades : keeps flashing in the corner of my eye...have to keep looking
[2016-10-01 07:55:06] rapidtrades : zanza: I don't buy cheap :)
[2016-10-01 07:57:39] rapidtrades : normally I would be short that chart but alts have been in a bubble lately
[2016-10-01 07:58:08] rapidtrades : bit dangerous, never know when idiots will pump smth 2x
[2016-10-01 07:58:48] rapidtrades : do u think that's over? there doesn't seem to be any new pumps
[2016-10-01 09:19:17] zanza : who know what will pop up next
[2016-10-01 09:23:33] rapidtrades : i dont see anything pumping
[2016-10-01 11:18:13] rapidtrades : http://www.financemagnates.com/cryptocurrency/trading/uber-for-fund-management-ethereum-based-iconomi-raises-5-8m-in-crowdsale/
[2016-10-01 11:44:41] rullwull : zanza: oil and gold)
[2016-10-01 11:57:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 2000 @ 0.001992
[2016-10-01 12:00:11] REKT : Liquidated short on `ZECZ16`: Buy 802 @ 0.08977
[2016-10-01 12:01:48] habibi : eh that funding getting ridiculous again
[2016-10-01 12:18:10] Rado : rapidtrades: what do you think about ICONOMI concept
[2016-10-01 12:29:28] Rado : when are the new XBJ contracts coming?
[2016-10-01 12:38:01] daveberns1 : XBT index price seems off
[2016-10-01 12:38:15] daveberns1 : kaiko index says $612.54
[2016-10-01 12:38:20] daveberns1 : https://www.kaiko.com/
[2016-10-01 12:38:32] daveberns1 : Index on XBT say $612.05
[2016-10-01 12:38:49] daveberns1 : these funding rates are absurd
[2016-10-01 12:39:47] daveberns1 : you could probably make $ shorting even though bitcoin price is rising
[2016-10-01 12:39:54] daveberns1 : effing pointless contract
[2016-10-01 12:40:08] sleger : funny people havent realized that yet
[2016-10-01 12:41:17] daveberns1 : ya, but at least kaiko should match up to "kaiko index" as mentioned in the contract specifications