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[2016-09-20 14:48:05] BitMEX_Arthur : germanjew: We are staying in Jing'an
[2016-09-20 14:48:32] BitMEX_Arthur : But are hosting some casual drinks on Thursday 7pm at Shanghai Brewery, 20 Donghu Lu
[2016-09-20 14:48:37] BitMEX_Arthur : in Xuhui
[2016-09-20 14:49:13] BitMEX_Arthur : if you can't make that, shoot me an email arthur@bitmex.com and we can meet up either in jing'an or at the hyatt where the conference is
[2016-09-20 14:52:34] germanjew : Thanks! I will try and make that, I might bring two work colleagues with
[2016-09-20 14:53:51] germanjew : If I can't I will send mail so that we can meet at the Hyatt
[2016-09-20 15:11:14] sleger : you should allow a setting for auto reentering a position in case of ADL (bitvc has that)
[2016-09-20 15:13:09] BitMEX_Arthur : Yes we have discussed that
[2016-09-20 15:14:34] sleger : at least emails in case someone's position is closed out ?
[2016-09-20 15:22:29] BitMEX_Arthur : Yes there will be email notifications
[2016-09-20 15:24:17] BitMEX_Sam : This is already live in Testnet and essentially ready to go, we're just doing some usability testing.
[2016-09-20 15:50:20] rapidtrades : I agree with sleger again, don't see why it's winning traders first that have to get penalized
[2016-09-20 15:50:50] rapidtrades : so if I get closed by deleveraging do I lose the maintenance margin?
[2016-09-20 15:52:12] sleger : no you're just closed against the price of the liq order (i hope)
[2016-09-20 15:52:34] sleger : which may be worse then closing with a market order, so it's gonna sting
[2016-09-20 15:53:49] BitMEX_Wally : You'll get closed out at the mark price
[2016-09-20 15:55:31] sleger : not the liquidation price ?
[2016-09-20 15:55:51] sleger : where does the pnl between liq and mark price go (= maintenance margin of the liquidated trader) ?
[2016-09-20 15:55:54] habibi : adl will hit when people will start eating liquidation or when liquidation will cause dpe?
[2016-09-20 15:56:14] sleger : neither .... when liq cant be filled
[2016-09-20 15:56:16] BitMEX_Wally : sleger: Effectively the bankruptcy price of that order and the mark price will be the same
[2016-09-20 15:56:57] BitMEX_Wally : The maintenance margin is spent aggressing the liquidation order to the bankruptcy price
[2016-09-20 15:57:49] BitMEX_Wally : habibi: ADL will hit whenever there would have been DPE in the past.
[2016-09-20 15:58:20] BitMEX_Wally : The insurance fund, liquidation orders, aggression, etc all remain the same. Once the mark price goes beyond the system bankruptcy price then instead of DPE there is ADL
[2016-09-20 15:58:40] sleger : ohh you're keeping an insurance fund
[2016-09-20 15:59:24] sleger : so liq orders might still sit on the book for some time, as long as they dont create DPE ?
[2016-09-20 15:59:33] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, losers will still pay for losers so ADL is very rare
[2016-09-20 15:59:34] BitMEX_Wally : sleger: Yes
[2016-09-20 15:59:57] sleger : habibi: i answered you wrong then
[2016-09-20 16:01:54] BitMEX_Wally : le client n'a jamais tort
[2016-09-20 16:07:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 2700 @ 0.018182
[2016-09-20 17:58:14] lockhedge : BitMEX_Wally: are the quintiles based on the open interest (every quintile represents 20% of OI)?
[2016-09-20 17:58:51] rapidtrades : sleger: do u know why backing isn't yet open for buttfinex lil project?
[2016-09-20 17:58:59] BitMEX_Greg : lockhedge: Hi, I believe so. I'll double check for you
[2016-09-20 17:59:43] rapidtrades : what are they waiting for? Christmas?
[2016-09-20 18:00:15] lockhedge : BitMEX_Greg: thanks
[2016-09-20 18:02:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 9 @ 0.018527
[2016-09-20 18:04:44] sleger : no idea @rapidtrades
[2016-09-20 18:29:55] QuantFocus : @bitmex - are we going to get a 12/31 xbt contract?
[2016-09-20 18:30:53] sleger : yes but it will smell sushi
[2016-09-20 18:31:06] QuantFocus : damn, just like my ex
[2016-09-20 18:32:03] QuantFocus : might need to move over to the woodchipper contract
[2016-09-20 18:32:17] QuantFocus : premium seems more reasonable anywa
[2016-09-20 18:32:20] QuantFocus : y
[2016-09-20 18:46:02] badtrader : i want to close my ethxbt position at 0.027 but it always corrects it to 27 !?
[2016-09-20 18:47:18] BitMEX_Sam : badtrader: Are you using the "Close Position" control?
[2016-09-20 18:48:03] badtrader : yes. sorry already solved it. comma was , not .
[2016-09-20 18:48:44] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Sam: you guys considering december xbt contract?
[2016-09-20 18:49:17] BitMEX_Sam : QuantFocus: Volume on XBTU16 has been low. We're watching it, we may do another if it picks up and/or there is significant demand for XBTZ16
[2016-09-20 18:49:51] QuantFocus : ok, thanks
[2016-09-20 19:07:15] Boontjie : how is the mark of xmr calculated?
[2016-09-20 19:13:23] sleger : with an AWS VM
[2016-09-20 19:13:52] Boontjie : possible given the difference between mark and spot
[2016-09-20 19:14:10] BitMEX_Sam : Boontjie: Mark is right between the bid and ask
[2016-09-20 19:14:24] BitMEX_Sam : See https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking
[2016-09-20 19:14:42] BitMEX_Sam : On futures, we use weighting of bid & ask to determine mark price.
[2016-09-20 19:15:28] Boontjie : BitMEX_Sam: Well there is a big fat 50 btc buy on polo
[2016-09-20 19:15:33] Boontjie : but the mark is not above 1870
[2016-09-20 19:15:46] BitMEX_Sam : Boontjie: It's based on *our* bid/ask, not the reference exchange's.
[2016-09-20 19:16:57] Boontjie : does it only take the first bid and ask?
[2016-09-20 19:17:14] Boontjie : ok there it is going down
[2016-09-20 19:19:00] BitMEX_Greg : It's based on a weighting of the bids and asks @Boontjie
[2016-09-20 19:19:42] BitMEX_Greg : Take a look at the link Sam posted above, specifically the Futures section: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking#calculation-of-fair-price-for-futures-contracts
[2016-09-20 19:20:29] Boontjie : BitMEX_Greg: its slow. Huge bids would imply a mark close to 1857
[2016-09-20 19:20:46] Boontjie : That is not what I am seeing, it lags quite a bit
[2016-09-20 19:22:21] BitMEX_Greg : This is a futures product, so the price may differ from underlying spot except at settlement
[2016-09-20 19:23:07] Boontjie : BitMEX_Greg: I get that, no worries. Different supply and demand market
[2016-09-20 19:24:46] BitMEX_Greg : Could be. Traders who wish to trade with leverage will express their views here as oppose to Polo
[2016-09-20 19:25:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 50 @ 0.02268
[2016-09-20 19:38:50] justinlooking : xmr wtf man, we talked
[2016-09-20 20:47:36] zanza : wow look that XMR green canble
[2016-09-20 20:53:51] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, on the move again.
[2016-09-20 21:35:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 105 @ 0.02321
[2016-09-20 21:36:10] rapidtrades : yeah monero aint going anywhere
[2016-09-20 21:38:06] rapidtrades : Yep, and that's exactly what happens. First any recovered coins goes to redeeming outstanding coins, then it goes to paying RRT holders.
[2016-09-20 21:38:25] rapidtrades : ^^^ this pretty much guarantees a flop
[2016-09-20 21:38:57] rapidtrades : you have to be an idiot to exchange when all profits will go to paying token holders
[2016-09-20 21:40:18] rapidtrades : Am I wrong?
[2016-09-20 21:42:10] rapidtrades : yeah im wrong...he's talking about recovered coins not profits
[2016-09-20 21:42:18] rapidtrades : i need to get some sleep
[2016-09-20 21:50:06] migz : these volume doesnt let me sleep. -_-
[2016-09-20 22:03:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 2 @ 0.02323 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-20 22:08:59] sleger : ETH up who coulda seen that coming ;)
[2016-09-20 22:17:52] RocketScience : Santander bank is making a bank
[2016-09-20 22:40:43] omicron : mark price is different from index price, why?
[2016-09-20 22:45:11] lockhedge : omicron: it currently includes about 5/8 of the funding rate. index and mark are equal every 8 hours
[2016-09-20 22:45:52] lockhedge : (if your questions was about swaps)
[2016-09-20 23:03:58] omicron : lockhedge: thanks yes
[2016-09-20 23:17:57] BitMEX_Greg : omicron: Please take a look at the swaps guide which can help explain the funding: https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide
[2016-09-20 23:31:58] d00ber : 12h charts still seem to be broken
[2016-09-20 23:56:59] mjones : btc dumpin
[2016-09-20 23:57:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 189 @ 61590.0
[2016-09-20 23:59:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 150 @ 598.58
[2016-09-20 23:59:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 15535 @ 598.59
[2016-09-21 00:00:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5680 @ 597.76
[2016-09-21 00:00:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 8 @ 598.09
[2016-09-21 00:00:01] REKT : Blood on the streets!
[2016-09-21 00:00:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 40100 @ 597.76 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-09-21 00:00:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 160 @ 598.13
[2016-09-21 00:00:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 220 @ 598.26
[2016-09-21 00:00:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5500 @ 597.54
[2016-09-21 00:00:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 8700 @ 598.19
[2016-09-21 00:00:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 40000 @ 597.63 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-09-21 00:00:20] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5000 @ 595.72
[2016-09-21 00:00:20] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5000 @ 596.15
[2016-09-21 00:00:20] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 50 @ 596.05
[2016-09-21 00:00:20] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5 @ 595.63
[2016-09-21 00:00:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 177 @ 595.36
[2016-09-21 00:00:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 200 @ 595.07
[2016-09-21 00:00:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 200 @ 593.81
[2016-09-21 00:00:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 15501 @ 593.25
[2016-09-21 00:00:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3 @ 594.02 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-21 00:00:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 510 @ 595.01
[2016-09-21 00:00:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 799 @ 594.17
[2016-09-21 00:00:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 10000 @ 593.52
[2016-09-21 00:00:43] habibi : wooohoo
[2016-09-21 00:00:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTU16`: Sell 2000 @ 600.40
[2016-09-21 00:00:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3000 @ 592.41
[2016-09-21 00:00:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 27700 @ 593.21 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-09-21 00:00:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 10000 @ 592.88
[2016-09-21 00:00:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1426 @ 592.52
[2016-09-21 00:01:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3000 @ 591.49
[2016-09-21 00:01:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2410 @ 591.17
[2016-09-21 00:01:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2950 @ 589.51
[2016-09-21 00:01:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 10000 @ 590.32
[2016-09-21 00:01:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 90 @ 590.78
[2016-09-21 00:01:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 66 @ 589.98
[2016-09-21 00:01:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1500 @ 589.45
[2016-09-21 00:01:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3889 @ 589.62
[2016-09-21 00:01:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 36000 @ 589.28 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-09-21 00:01:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 207 @ 588.50
[2016-09-21 00:01:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 15000 @ 588.04
[2016-09-21 00:01:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 35000 @ 588.45 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-09-21 00:05:19] habibi : nice action
[2016-09-21 00:05:22] habibi : anyone alive?
[2016-09-21 00:08:11] tb : me
[2016-09-21 00:08:32] tb : wait i thougth there wasn't dpe anymore
[2016-09-21 00:08:40] tb : why is there a liquidation in the books?
[2016-09-21 00:09:03] habibi : not yet
[2016-09-21 00:11:47] mjones : i got rekt trying to 50x guess the bottom
[2016-09-21 00:12:39] habibi : mjones: look and guess again http://prntscr.com/ckfr6s
[2016-09-21 00:13:37] sleger : News? Besides eth killing it?
[2016-09-21 00:15:45] mjones : i'm convinced not many people trade on BTCC and Huobi
[2016-09-21 00:16:27] sleger : Rekt convictions?
[2016-09-21 00:25:03] d00ber : LTC looking good...
[2016-09-21 00:26:27] tommygunn : hey my long at 589 hit, wow
[2016-09-21 00:33:45] omicron : what a drop, i got rekt
[2016-09-21 00:39:39] laisee : now thats rekkage ...
[2016-09-21 00:43:14] lockhedge : would the liquidations that rested unfilled for a while in the order book have triggered ADL?
[2016-09-21 00:47:25] omicron : is ADL active on XBTUSD?
[2016-09-21 00:47:48] lockhedge : not yet
[2016-09-21 00:48:37] omicron : i've been trading a bit on coinpit, they have ADL. Works good mostly
[2016-09-21 00:49:08] omicron : i was long on this drop, but if i was short, i dunno it may have ADL'd me
[2016-09-21 00:49:21] omicron : better than the socializd loss crap
[2016-09-21 00:50:56] omicron : so with ADL does that mean there is no more insurance fund?
[2016-09-21 01:00:29] sleger : somehow the way they did it, it stays
[2016-09-21 01:00:49] sleger : ADL replaces DPE, the rest is unchanged, just a different way to split losses
[2016-09-21 01:01:02] zen10 : Is there an event causing BTc to dump, or are whales just having their way with us?
[2016-09-21 01:07:22] alayos : wow good day today. Thank you BTC. Shorted at 609
[2016-09-21 01:09:40] rapidtrades : f*ck this jewdump man
[2016-09-21 01:10:03] rapidtrades : I barely got 2 hrs of sleep and now I can't go back cos BOJ
[2016-09-21 01:10:14] tommygunn : muice short hope you cover
[2016-09-21 01:59:04] TraderStefan : I like the look of the ADL system
[2016-09-21 02:13:36] rapidtrades : I see you graduated from Tulip to Trader
[2016-09-21 02:45:38] TraderStefan : Different guy I think
[2016-09-21 02:45:45] TraderStefan : I've always been Trader
[2016-09-21 03:22:38] rapidtrades : nice try Tulip....
[2016-09-21 03:23:11] rapidtrades : TraderStefan: do u believe that markets are random?
[2016-09-21 03:24:07] TraderStefan : rapidtrades: Yes I would say they are pretty close to being random
[2016-09-21 03:24:35] TraderStefan : Definitely more random than most trading would like to believe
[2016-09-21 03:24:52] TraderStefan : traders*
[2016-09-21 03:40:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 40 @ 0.02385
[2016-09-21 03:58:57] rapidtrades : TraderStefan: THEN WHY ARE U HERE TULIP
[2016-09-21 03:59:32] TraderStefan : I'm not Tulip, but I am here for market making
[2016-09-21 04:00:40] rapidtrades : can't fool me random walker
[2016-09-21 04:04:01] rapidtrades : 'I'm Stefan. I like chocolate, sucking cocks and random markets'
[2016-09-21 04:04:24] rapidtrades : ^ from ur dating profile
[2016-09-21 04:05:17] laisee : rapidtrades: why are you looking at guys dating profiles?
[2016-09-21 04:07:25] rapidtrades : undercover work
[2016-09-21 04:07:29] rapidtrades : can't talk about it
[2016-09-21 04:13:29] laisee : I'm sure its very undercover and not much talking involved. /?
[2016-09-21 04:26:05] sleger : lol
[2016-09-21 04:27:41] TraderStefan : yeah, that is my actual dating profile
[2016-09-21 04:29:01] TraderStefan : what can I say, I like what I like
[2016-09-21 04:37:08] jung1 : morning
[2016-09-21 05:07:46] billyboy402 : with the new funnding , does that mean , that if your in 1 poistion that is in profit and one ther negtiuve ,. does your balance abg out if you have cross margin
[2016-09-21 05:08:16] billyboy402 : talking about he ADL
[2016-09-21 05:09:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 104 @ 0.017252
[2016-09-21 05:09:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 260 @ 0.017284
[2016-09-21 05:10:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 20 @ 0.017029
[2016-09-21 05:12:22] BitMEX_Greg : billyboy402: Hi, how would you have 1 position in profit and another in loss?
[2016-09-21 05:13:19] billyboy402 : if your short BTC XBU at 620 and long on btc swap 595
[2016-09-21 05:13:41] billyboy402 : or short on XMR/BTC and loong on BTC/USD
[2016-09-21 05:13:54] BitMEX_Greg : The Autodeleverage only applies to the contract that the liquidations occur in
[2016-09-21 05:17:07] billyboy402 : what is it call when you use un relaize profit as margin ?
[2016-09-21 05:17:39] BitMEX_Greg : Do you mean Cross Margin?
[2016-09-21 05:17:40] billyboy402 : would be great as some time i have long term contract open for hedging in profit and get margin call on other trade
[2016-09-21 05:19:11] billyboy402 : cross margin still margin call you tho
[2016-09-21 05:20:29] BitMEX_Greg : If you do not have any free margin yes
[2016-09-21 05:33:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 25 @ 0.02372
[2016-09-21 07:04:42] hh : Greg, question for you, could you suggest any website that shows Bitmex underlyings & prices on one page?
[2016-09-21 07:06:20] hh : or do you have any excel spreadsheet that import bitmex price data?
[2016-09-21 07:06:56] hh : I thought I saw some excel files before but can"t find it now.
[2016-09-21 07:11:32] BitMEX_Arthur : hh: you can see the underlying index on the contrac details
[2016-09-21 07:38:41] rapidtrades : markets giving a slow f*ck u to the BOJ
[2016-09-21 07:38:44] rapidtrades : again
[2016-09-21 07:48:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 200 @ 0.02340
[2016-09-21 07:48:16] Tetsuo : ETH down, BTC up!
[2016-09-21 07:48:57] Tetsuo : XMR sideways or slowly down
[2016-09-21 07:49:18] rapidtrades : no BTC up
[2016-09-21 07:50:33] Tetsuo : It might do a fuck u retrace back to 620.
[2016-09-21 07:51:11] rapidtrades : nope
[2016-09-21 07:54:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1002 @ 0.02316
[2016-09-21 08:05:49] hh : Is there any third party bitmex chart/price provider? Cryptowat.ch seems to scrap Bitmex.
[2016-09-21 09:34:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `FCTXBT`: Buy 1 @ 0.005323 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-21 09:42:03] jung1 : hh: https://bfxdata.com/
[2016-09-21 09:42:34] jung1 : bitcoin is dead
[2016-09-21 09:44:36] Susperia : jung1: so bitcoin = bfx?
[2016-09-21 09:45:11] jung1 : bitcoin are all of us
[2016-09-21 09:47:59] +1 : lol
[2016-09-21 09:50:48] jung1 : https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/toward-the-moon-genesis-mining-sends-the-first-bitcoin-into-space-1474394567
[2016-09-21 09:50:52] jung1 : bitcoin can into space
[2016-09-21 10:52:10] Susperia : Can you guys add dice to bitmex? It's easier to roll than wait for any action on BTC/USD
[2016-09-21 10:55:56] jung1 : go to polo then
[2016-09-21 10:56:06] sleger : lol, not such a bad suggestion (to add dice)
[2016-09-21 10:57:21] Susperia : Because 50x leverage is a dice, just slow dice.
[2016-09-21 10:57:49] hedgehog0223 : Why is order rejected?
[2016-09-21 10:58:02] hedgehog0223 : my order*
[2016-09-21 10:59:23] lockhedge : dice with maker/taker fee structure is everything a trader needs to understand market structure
[2016-09-21 11:02:58] jung1 : is there something like that?
[2016-09-21 11:16:26] sleger : somewhere another village is missing another idiot
[2016-09-21 11:24:22] laisee : just-dice.com was a top-notch trading site.
[2016-09-21 11:24:37] Boontjie : laisee: :)
[2016-09-21 11:27:08] laisee : better than the tech in majority of places I worked
[2016-09-21 11:40:28] Boontjie : time to short some meth
[2016-09-21 12:22:24] rapidtrades : I hear good things about meth
[2016-09-21 12:23:10] rapidtrades : good things from bad people...
[2016-09-21 12:36:28] rapidtrades : markets listened to the BOJ and were like NOPE NOPE NOPE
[2016-09-21 15:01:21] laisee : Rapid: who ever listened to BOJ?
[2016-09-21 15:04:49] omicron : wow volume is back. wtf happened? is sleger back?
[2016-09-21 15:10:05] Rado : so BTC fell because of FED or BOJ?
[2016-09-21 15:12:54] Susperia : because dead shitcoin
[2016-09-21 15:13:33] Susperia : buy ZCash, developed by lesbian shemale, the success will be huge
[2016-09-21 15:34:46] omicron : Im gonna create a new coin ZZCoin
[2016-09-21 15:34:59] omicron : It will play music from ZZTop
[2016-09-21 16:10:01] Boontjie : Susperia: doesnt stop the price from being
[2016-09-21 17:45:17] rapidtrades : from being what?
[2016-09-21 17:45:23] rapidtrades : don't leave me hanging brah
[2016-09-21 17:45:34] Boontjie : high
[2016-09-21 17:45:42] CaptainDean : So ware back under 600,
[2016-09-21 17:45:47] CaptainDean : i'm surprise
[2016-09-21 17:45:55] rapidtrades : i'm not
[2016-09-21 17:45:59] Boontjie : CaptainDean: why
[2016-09-21 17:46:32] CaptainDean : i don't know, i tough we would go higher,
[2016-09-21 17:46:55] Susperia : why it would go higher?
[2016-09-21 17:47:04] Boontjie : CaptainDean: The halvening has happened :) No new news
[2016-09-21 17:47:23] CaptainDean : Boontjie: Yeah we are missing some good news at the moment
[2016-09-21 17:47:54] rapidtrades : some tool will prolly knee-jerk the Fed
[2016-09-21 17:48:12] Susperia : Will go under 300 again, then to 160, 100.
[2016-09-21 17:48:17] Boontjie : We need Marc on speed dail. So there be YOLO long
[2016-09-21 17:48:44] Boontjie : Under 300 is possible. I dont know about a 100
[2016-09-21 17:49:31] CaptainDean : 300 will putt a lot of pressure on miner
[2016-09-21 17:49:37] CaptainDean : 100 would be horrible for miners
[2016-09-21 17:49:49] Susperia : Why not 100? Even why not 50? Network can die, no one need it. You can trade "futures" and numbers on exchange. No one really using it anyway.
[2016-09-21 17:49:51] CaptainDean : in fact miming would be plain stupid at large scale
[2016-09-21 17:50:32] Boontjie : Well difficulty will drop a lot
[2016-09-21 17:51:00] Boontjie : So 100 is theoretically possible. You just a lot less secure network
[2016-09-21 17:51:08] Boontjie : get*
[2016-09-21 17:51:17] CaptainDean : everyting is possible
[2016-09-21 17:51:21] CaptainDean : we could go 1000$ :P
[2016-09-21 17:51:35] Boontjie : I think we will eventually
[2016-09-21 17:52:04] Susperia : lol we will never see even 700 again
[2016-09-21 17:52:29] Boontjie : Thats what we said last year. Here we are
[2016-09-21 18:04:57] rapidtrades : no change in fed rates
[2016-09-21 18:10:53] CaptainDean : Susperia: SO you can predict future right ? no ones know what will happen, that's the true
[2016-09-21 18:15:05] sleger : the true the truce or the truth ?
[2016-09-21 18:32:14] CaptainDean : SHIPPABLE
[2016-09-21 18:32:21] CaptainDean : truth
[2016-09-21 18:40:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 28 @ 0.016698
[2016-09-21 18:40:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 150 @ 0.016697
[2016-09-21 19:01:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 581 @ 0.02245
[2016-09-21 19:01:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 7 @ 0.02244
[2016-09-21 19:01:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 5 @ 0.02243
[2016-09-21 19:06:11] Susperia : XMR :(
[2016-09-21 19:41:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 132 @ 0.02223
[2016-09-21 20:21:29] troller : can I margin fund here?
[2016-09-21 20:25:08] billz : Has bitmex switched over from the DPE system to the new one yet?
[2016-09-21 20:26:25] BitMEX_Sam : billz: No, that will go live on Oct 3, 12:00 UTC.
[2016-09-21 20:26:40] billz : ok cool
[2016-09-21 20:26:46] BitMEX_Sam : troller: Leverage here is "free", but you can earn funding on most contracts by shorting.
[2016-09-21 20:27:07] BitMEX_Sam : troller: See https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide#funding
[2016-09-21 20:33:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 7 @ 0.02209
[2016-09-21 20:35:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 5 @ 0.02206
[2016-09-21 20:39:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 20 @ 0.02202
[2016-09-21 21:51:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 1 @ 0.005196 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-21 21:55:58] RocketScience : Factom ninja dump deluxe
[2016-09-21 22:09:40] mjones : nothing like dump 100k FCT when there is only 8,753,219
[2016-09-21 23:21:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 30 @ 0.016511
[2016-09-21 23:22:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XMR7D`: Sell 200 @ 0.016361
[2016-09-22 00:27:16] omicron : wow sudden vol on FCT
[2016-09-22 00:27:22] omicron : did something get announced
[2016-09-22 00:45:58] rapidtrades : Kuroda prolly having nightmares right about now
[2016-09-22 00:46:08] rapidtrades : time to invite Ben again
[2016-09-22 00:52:48] rapidtrades : http://www.coindesk.com/winklevoss-exchange-gemini-bitcoin-auctions/
[2016-09-22 00:53:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 3 @ 0.02259 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-22 01:04:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 5 @ 0.02245
[2016-09-22 01:20:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 8 @ 0.002021
[2016-09-22 01:21:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 9 @ 0.002005
[2016-09-22 01:21:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 4600 @ 0.001990
[2016-09-22 01:21:24] mjones : etc final leg down
[2016-09-22 01:32:23] CaptainDean : u sure ? :P
[2016-09-22 01:32:49] CaptainDean : mjones: i think it might collaspe
[2016-09-22 01:37:56] CaptainDean : it did survive the last dip
[2016-09-22 01:39:20] mjones : final leg as here is your last chance to get a bunch of BTC for your few ETC
[2016-09-22 01:39:39] mjones : looking at the polo buy side it looks like 1 person is holding price up. probably owns a ton of ETC.
[2016-09-22 01:39:43] CaptainDean : mjones: :D
[2016-09-22 01:40:06] rapidtrades : I remember a time when all we talked about in this chart was BTC
[2016-09-22 01:40:32] rapidtrades : now it's shitcoin A and shitcoin B
[2016-09-22 01:41:04] mjones : unless you are at the computer for the 2 minutes BTC moves every 1-2 weeks then shitcoins is all we got
[2016-09-22 01:42:17] habibi : 7 minutes*
[2016-09-22 01:45:45] mjones : etc market here is wack. market maker asleep
[2016-09-22 01:45:55] CaptainDean : yep
[2016-09-22 01:46:09] CaptainDean : the gap is stupid at the moment
[2016-09-22 01:50:53] omicron : mjones: on btc cant you use stop orders to enter on big moves
[2016-09-22 02:00:27] mjones : not sure about entering
[2016-09-22 02:00:40] CaptainDean : yeahhhhhh
[2016-09-22 02:00:52] CaptainDean : it's risky, good volume, good support but still unsafe i think
[2016-09-22 02:03:03] CaptainDean : mjones: or maybe i'm just a pussy ! :D
[2016-09-22 02:03:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 17 @ 0.02222
[2016-09-22 02:03:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 125 @ 0.02222
[2016-09-22 05:06:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `XMR7D`: Buy 160 @ 0.017736
[2016-09-22 06:08:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 44 @ 0.02195
[2016-09-22 06:10:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 3 @ 0.02187 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-22 06:10:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 220 @ 0.02186
[2016-09-22 06:19:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 300 @ 0.02185
[2016-09-22 06:21:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 137 @ 0.02181
[2016-09-22 06:21:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1501 @ 0.02179
[2016-09-22 06:21:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 300 @ 0.02166
[2016-09-22 06:21:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 50 @ 0.02168
[2016-09-22 06:21:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1 @ 0.02159 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-22 06:48:45] jordanbitfort : ez shakeout
[2016-09-22 10:09:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 5 @ 0.001920
[2016-09-22 10:09:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 36 @ 0.001916
[2016-09-22 10:25:25] germanjew : You guys still hosting drinks starting at 7?
[2016-09-22 10:29:56] germanjew : BitMEX_Sam
[2016-09-22 10:53:36] BitMEX_Wally : germanjew: yes, come along!
[2016-09-22 10:54:01] BitMEX_Wally : Shanghai Brewery, 20 Donghu Lu (东湖路20号)
[2016-09-22 10:54:47] germanjew : Great, we'll see you there but will be a little late
[2016-09-22 11:03:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 127 @ 0.02192
[2016-09-22 11:12:31] zanza : Winklevoss Twins dumping ?
[2016-09-22 11:13:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 3 @ 0.02187 :punch: :whale:
[2016-09-22 11:25:40] rapidtrades : btce just closed my trades for no reason...not margin called or anything
[2016-09-22 11:57:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 42 @ 0.02188
[2016-09-22 12:51:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 10000 @ 0.002066
[2016-09-22 13:40:20] Susperia : ETH network is forked
[2016-09-22 13:55:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 315 @ 0.02110
[2016-09-22 14:02:51] Boontjie : ah that short
[2016-09-22 14:02:56] Boontjie : the feels :)
[2016-09-22 14:56:09] hazir : hey, if i buy Zcash future and i doesn't come out until December what happens to my contract?
[2016-09-22 14:56:27] hazir : (until december 16)
[2016-09-22 14:57:39] hazir : sorry....*it. what if zcash don't get genesised until after December 16? which is the date of the end of the contract?
[2016-09-22 14:58:28] Susperia : ZCash market cap is zero, only idiots buying it now.
[2016-09-22 14:58:59] hazir : ok
[2016-09-22 14:59:06] BitMEX_Sam : hazir: We reserve the right to declare a Market Disruption Event in that case and extend the contract
[2016-09-22 14:59:45] hazir : thank you
[2016-09-22 15:00:57] hazir : i'm new here, are there all kinds of fees on the contract? or is it like holding a regulate coin?
[2016-09-22 15:03:31] BitMEX_Greg : These are futures contracts
[2016-09-22 15:03:42] BitMEX_Greg : The fees page is listed here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fees
[2016-09-22 15:34:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 30 @ 0.002177
[2016-09-22 15:50:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 19 @ 0.002251
[2016-09-22 15:58:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 650 @ 0.02156
[2016-09-22 16:16:20] germanjew : It was great meeting some of the BitMEX team, thanks for hosting!
[2016-09-22 16:47:08] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Greg: don't you guys list historical funding rates somewhere on the site? i'm an idiot and can't seem to find them right now
[2016-09-22 16:47:25] BitMEX_Greg : Here you go: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fundingHistory
[2016-09-22 16:47:29] QuantFocus : thanks
[2016-09-22 16:47:33] BitMEX_Greg : Under the "Contracts" tab at the top
[2016-09-22 16:47:43] QuantFocus : shit, first link
[2016-09-22 16:47:51] BitMEX_Greg : haha np
[2016-09-22 16:47:53] QuantFocus : i was looking under the specific contract
[2016-09-22 16:47:56] QuantFocus : thanks again man :)
[2016-09-22 17:05:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 13 @ 0.02178
[2016-09-22 18:53:12] rapidtrades : anyone else got their trades closed on btce? weird shit
[2016-09-22 19:22:31] rapidtrades : well...got my explanation....they say prices hit 1,000 today looool
[2016-09-22 19:22:51] rapidtrades : and he says it so nonchalantly like it's normal
[2016-09-22 19:23:06] rapidtrades : and few mins earlier they crashed to 130
[2016-09-22 19:29:37] Tetsuo : lol
[2016-09-22 19:31:05] habibi : on mt4?
[2016-09-22 19:31:44] rapidtrades : yes
[2016-09-22 19:31:46] Susperia : mt4 was always broken on btc-e
[2016-09-22 19:31:58] rapidtrades : it wasn't 'always broken' u tool
[2016-09-22 19:32:18] rapidtrades : it worked fine until few weeks ago...it was integrated with main exchange
[2016-09-22 19:33:02] rapidtrades : spikes like these didn't happen cos orders got routed to the main...but smth is broken
[2016-09-22 19:34:33] habibi : rapidtrades: just place ur bids/asks low and high to get filled on wicks like that with lot of margin left to not get liquidated
[2016-09-22 19:45:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 14 @ 0.02190
[2016-09-22 20:14:12] RocketScience : more than 50% of ETH has been lent to shorters on polo
[2016-09-22 20:14:18] RocketScience : this might get interesting soon
[2016-09-22 20:16:29] Boontjie : RocketScience: not yet
[2016-09-22 20:47:46] habibi : RocketScience: any exact numbers how much 50% is referring to?
[2016-09-22 20:48:35] RocketScience : 40k available now, max was 120k few days ago.
[2016-09-22 20:49:12] RocketScience : amount lent out could be less than 80k if people stopped offering lending in this volatile times
[2016-09-22 20:51:54] habibi : u think 80k is enough for short panic squeeze?
[2016-09-22 20:52:16] arbitrage001 : eth lending rate is quite low
[2016-09-22 20:53:03] arbitrage001 : normally high rate predict forseeable reversal since funding is expensive
[2016-09-22 20:54:38] RocketScience : true. These shorters can survive up to 0.0265 if they went 2,5x at 0.0210
[2016-09-22 20:57:25] rapidtrades : habibi: u mean place bid/asks? that's a great idea...dunno why I didn't think of that
[2016-09-22 20:57:25] RocketScience : I started high leverage trading here 2 days ago, already got rekt 2 times. Drunk on leverage :D
[2016-09-22 20:57:41] rapidtrades : habibi: oh wait I did and it doesn't work idiot
[2016-09-22 20:57:48] arbitrage001 : seen lots of people come and go here
[2016-09-22 20:57:56] arbitrage001 : especially alt coin traders
[2016-09-22 20:57:56] habibi : rapidtrades: good job, keep playing there :)
[2016-09-22 20:59:54] RocketScience : Are these 1500 orders on ETH from a bot owned by some rich guy?
[2016-09-22 21:00:33] arbitrage001 : likely suspect is sleger
[2016-09-22 21:00:48] arbitrage001 : as a market maker
[2016-09-22 21:04:07] rapidtrades : sleger...I f*cking knew it
[2016-09-22 21:08:22] rapidtrades : u can blame 60% of the shit that happens here on f*cking sleger
[2016-09-22 21:08:55] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: how so?
[2016-09-22 21:09:39] arbitrage001 : market maker usually only make market, none directional trade
[2016-09-22 21:10:25] rapidtrades : he's too big for this place
[2016-09-22 21:10:50] RocketScience : but you get liquidated based on exchange price breaking your liq. price. I read that in the faqs
[2016-09-22 21:11:18] arbitrage001 : RocketScience: liqudation price is based on mark price
[2016-09-22 21:11:25] arbitrage001 : not market price here
[2016-09-22 21:13:25] arbitrage001 : trading eth is extremely dangerous now
[2016-09-22 21:13:30] arbitrage001 : gap up and down
[2016-09-22 21:13:35] arbitrage001 : on polo
[2016-09-22 21:13:46] RocketScience : yeah. that latest bug wasn't resolved, needs hard fork
[2016-09-22 21:13:57] arbitrage001 : have a feeling something big going to happen
[2016-09-22 21:14:00] rapidtrades : another hard fork? loolll
[2016-09-22 21:14:11] Boontjie : RocketScience: source?
[2016-09-22 21:14:14] habibi : RocketScience: source ?
[2016-09-22 21:14:32] Susperia : They are unable to fix problem, will only add crutches to mitigate it
[2016-09-22 21:14:52] rapidtrades : ETH has the worst developers by far
[2016-09-22 21:14:56] RocketScience : https://blog.ethereum.org/2016/09/22/transaction-spam-attack-next-steps/
[2016-09-22 21:15:21] Boontjie : rapidtrades: best idea though
[2016-09-22 21:15:31] RocketScience : the command that is responsible will get expensive with next HF to prevent these types of attack
[2016-09-22 21:15:42] rapidtrades : is the idea fork until u get it right? @Boontjie
[2016-09-22 21:16:11] RocketScience : The fall to 205 was because of this... Hashrate fell to 1,7 again today
[2016-09-22 21:16:38] rapidtrades : how much is 1.7....like fell from where
[2016-09-22 21:17:23] Susperia : And pools mining empty blocks now, ETH is fucked again like after DAO disaster
[2016-09-22 21:17:24] RocketScience : 5TH to 1.7TH
[2016-09-22 21:18:03] Boontjie : rapidtrades: sure until then it wwont have buttcorn marketcap
[2016-09-22 21:20:35] rapidtrades : hahaha that's great
[2016-09-22 21:20:38] rapidtrades : i hate ETH
[2016-09-22 21:21:36] rapidtrades : f*cking premined presaled spamcoin
[2016-09-22 21:21:45] rapidtrades : PPS
[2016-09-22 21:21:55] rapidtrades : actually FPPS
[2016-09-22 21:24:12] Boontjie : yeah, but the decentralized hosting it has behind it is good
[2016-09-22 21:24:18] Boontjie : But I agree on premine
[2016-09-22 21:24:45] Boontjie : All the fishy smell of get rich quick schemes
[2016-09-22 21:25:21] Boontjie : RocketScience: is that the bitcoin hashrate? Or what is this empty block talk?
[2016-09-22 21:30:13] rapidtrades : they spammed the crap out of reddit for couple of months
[2016-09-22 21:30:43] rapidtrades : right during major bull run
[2016-09-22 21:31:53] Boontjie : rapidtrades: i agree, it worked
[2016-09-22 21:38:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 150 @ 0.02218
[2016-09-22 21:38:40] rapidtrades : still 0 backed and not open https://bnktothefuture.com/pitches/bitfinex
[2016-09-22 21:38:57] rapidtrades : don't get it....why would u rush it if its not ready
[2016-09-22 21:39:16] rapidtrades : and they set a deadline for 30th if u want 1 share per token
[2016-09-22 21:39:26] rapidtrades : it's like they want tokens to crash
[2016-09-22 21:42:52] Boontjie : rapidtrades: they do
[2016-09-22 21:43:18] Boontjie : they keep news to around a week
[2016-09-22 21:43:35] Boontjie : every 7 days like clockwork
[2016-09-22 21:44:48] Boontjie : look at activity just before announcements
[2016-09-22 21:45:02] Boontjie : those executives trade
[2016-09-22 21:45:45] Kahir : hello
[2016-09-22 21:45:53] Kahir : can someone tell me what is kaiko
[2016-09-22 21:46:05] Kahir : the source for price index
[2016-09-22 21:47:22] Boontjie : google kaiko
[2016-09-22 21:52:16] Boontjie : ethblog - "allowing for adjustments similar to what was coordinated today to happen automatically". So next time if attacker will spam network nodes automatically will stop transaction mining?
[2016-09-22 21:53:32] Boontjie : the changes will reduce eth throughput if I understand correctly. mEth will die a little
[2016-09-22 22:20:53] rapidtrades : great btce was trading at premium and after they margined called me its now at discount
[2016-09-22 22:21:20] rapidtrades : don't u love bitcoin companies man
[2016-09-22 23:12:46] zanza : some big dumpuign on BTCE
[2016-09-22 23:12:55] zanza : u got margin called on MT4 rapidtrades?
[2016-09-22 23:13:10] rapidtrades : yeah...
[2016-09-22 23:28:24] sleger : poor rapid :p
[2016-09-22 23:28:42] sleger : he just bought bitcoins at 1k $
[2016-09-22 23:29:02] sleger : well, we also have jung1 short ETH at 0.2050
[2016-09-22 23:32:54] zanza : new Google Allo sucks
[2016-09-22 23:38:41] rapidtrades : sleger: no they liquidated me at 600...spikes instantly retrace and are not trabeable like i said above
[2016-09-22 23:50:20] zanza : you were long or short?'
[2016-09-22 23:50:42] zanza : btce doesn't have much leverage, so you maybe hit a stop ?
[2016-09-22 23:50:58] zanza : seems hard to get liquidatedwithout a big swing
[2016-09-22 23:56:47] rapidtrades : price spiked between 1000 and 130 today...that's ur answer
[2016-09-22 23:57:11] BitMEX_Sam : I don't see that in the charts, when did that happen?
[2016-09-22 23:57:32] rapidtrades : mt4
[2016-09-22 23:58:12] BitMEX_Sam : Ah
[2016-09-22 23:58:22] BitMEX_Sam : The disconnect between the web exchange & mt4 is very strange.
[2016-09-23 00:03:27] zanza : u kidding? wow wtf
[2016-09-23 00:03:34] zanza : thats almost criminal lol
[2016-09-23 00:04:17] zanza : so I wonder what would happen if you had a buy order at 100 limit
[2016-09-23 00:04:26] zanza : (or 130)
[2016-09-23 00:04:27] BitMEX_Sam : Free money, I guess.
[2016-09-23 00:04:36] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: yes...the orderbooks were neve the sasme but previously if u sold on mt4 the order would be routed to main exchange
[2016-09-23 00:04:46] BitMEX_Sam : It's good to keep a few cheeky bids/asks on exchanges that have issues... which is all of them.
[2016-09-23 00:04:47] rapidtrades : never the same *
[2016-09-23 00:05:08] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: like i said, u won't be executed...my shorts got closed at 600
[2016-09-23 00:05:47] BitMEX_Sam : Well, yeah, if it swung up & down it basically shook every margin position & stop out
[2016-09-23 00:05:52] BitMEX_Sam : But people with low bids & high asks got filled
[2016-09-23 00:06:05] rapidtrades : how so?
[2016-09-23 00:06:20] BitMEX_Sam : How else would the price swing so low? If I just had a bid sitting at 150, it would have been filled
[2016-09-23 00:06:21] zanza : did you contact their support rapidtrades? that seems like a big exchange error