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[2016-08-07 18:58:37] Tetsuo : " Andre P Gagnon Posted at 16:43h, 06 August Reply In all honesty we all knew the risks and appreciate everything http://www.Bitfinex.com has done for us! I would rather take BFX shares then 99% of the companies on the market anyway. Minor set back and I think you have and are doing the right thing! "
[2016-08-07 18:59:25] Tetsuo : "Alina Posted at 17:31h, 06 August Reply Are you shares trading on any stock market and how much company worth now? "
[2016-08-07 18:59:44] Tetsuo : I can´t take it anymore .... ROFL
[2016-08-07 19:21:15] bernx : If they don't lose any money and stillwill get shares this good for them
[2016-08-07 19:22:03] bruh : anyone shorting etc?
[2016-08-07 19:22:07] bruh : anyone else
[2016-08-07 19:22:08] bruh : with me
[2016-08-07 19:23:24] bernx : Na
[2016-08-07 19:23:30] justinlooking : yup
[2016-08-07 19:30:41] bruh : word
[2016-08-07 19:30:46] bruh : time to profit together @justinlooking
[2016-08-07 19:30:53] Tetsuo : I'm in
[2016-08-07 19:31:30] Tetsuo : Let's burn BTC to the ground!
[2016-08-07 19:33:24] justinlooking : etc derp
[2016-08-07 19:34:21] Tetsuo : ETC will Crash even more. I'm not sure what will happen to ETH. I put some money on a Pump
[2016-08-07 19:35:11] Tetsuo : ETC---> 0.0025 at least
[2016-08-07 19:41:29] bernx : BFX dump ETC
[2016-08-07 19:41:33] bernx : Soon it will happen to ETH
[2016-08-07 19:45:39] Tetsuo : With Bitfinex soon to be gone the chinks nwill get the complete power in BTC markets. And you can bet on it that those exchange owners will use it in whatever way it will be most profitable to them.
[2016-08-07 19:47:31] Tetsuo : can´t wait for the next big Huoib okc0in shennigans
[2016-08-07 19:48:57] Tetsuo : after Bitfinex the next drama to be played will probably be about the hardforking of BTC by chinese miners
[2016-08-07 19:49:19] Tetsuo : so much volatility about to come, wow.
[2016-08-07 19:50:11] Tetsuo : PS: BTC is not a joke! lel
[2016-08-07 20:06:20] men : why etc removed from bitmex?
[2016-08-07 20:06:51] men : no its only a bug
[2016-08-07 20:08:25] Tetsuo : you probably just got a glimpse of the future
[2016-08-07 20:08:44] justinlooking : haha
[2016-08-07 20:09:14] men : Tetsuo: lol
[2016-08-07 20:10:05] justinlooking : definitely a bug, it coincides with the funding time on swaps
[2016-08-07 20:10:50] justinlooking : sometimes some non-swap contracts don't come back
[2016-08-07 20:12:03] Tetsuo : does anyone have a link where i can see the total houbi orderbook, i know it exists
[2016-08-07 20:13:30] Tetsuo : got it
[2016-08-07 20:21:26] Tetsuo : https://twitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/760318293651566592
[2016-08-07 20:25:05] Tetsuo : "Roger Ver ‏@rogerkver Aug 6 Boston, MA That the combined market cap of ETH & ETC was greater after the fork means the market viewed it as a good thing. A lesson for Bitcoin? "
[2016-08-07 20:25:27] Tetsuo : i´m sorry , i´ll stop now, too drunk again, but still , lulz
[2016-08-07 20:52:32] BitMEX_Sam : That's in really bad taste
[2016-08-07 20:58:30] Rado : hey BitMEX_Sam
[2016-08-07 20:58:42] Rado : could you set the record straight
[2016-08-07 20:59:10] Rado : does BitMEX operate market maker bots?
[2016-08-07 21:02:35] Rado : BitMEX_Sam?
[2016-08-07 21:11:40] BitMEX_Wally : Rado: No we don't, but as an example of how to use the API we make a sample market maker bot available: https://github.com/BitMEX/market-maker
[2016-08-07 21:15:23] justinlooking : sam can u take a look at bug plz. seems to trigger on swap funding and settlement/rebalance. sometimes insturments diisappear from the instrment selector bar (reload brings them back)
[2016-08-07 21:16:28] Rado : thanks BitMEX_Wally
[2016-08-07 21:16:33] Rado : one more question
[2016-08-07 21:16:47] Tetsuo : Next excuse from Finex will probably be like:" We really tried everything to give you back as much as we can, but now badbad FIAT government and agencies are blocking us from doin it so; NOT OUR FAULT!"
[2016-08-07 21:16:53] justinlooking : oops, wally, sry
[2016-08-07 21:16:55] Rado : no MM has access to current orders in the system - correct?
[2016-08-07 21:17:15] BitMEX_Sam : justinlooking: Thanks I'll take a look at that
[2016-08-07 21:17:21] BitMEX_Sam : Rado: No, no MM has access to internal data
[2016-08-07 21:17:26] BitMEX_Sam : They use the same API as everyone else
[2016-08-07 21:17:49] Tetsuo : If Finex would really working international agencies as they claim to do, they wouldn´t announce to op en in the next days, just sayin
[2016-08-07 21:19:13] Tetsuo : No government agency would ays"Hey we are helpin you to find the thief but in the meanwhile you can continue with your crimanal socialzed losses plan, no problem"
[2016-08-07 21:19:36] bernx : BitMEX_Sam: testnet have same accout data?
[2016-08-07 21:19:52] BitMEX_Sam : bernx: No, you have to create another account for Testnet
[2016-08-07 21:23:18] justinlooking : btc moon plz
[2016-08-07 21:29:00] Rado : Thanks BitMEX_Sam
[2016-08-07 21:37:03] bernx : Looks like BFX have only 123k BTC
[2016-08-07 21:38:47] bernx : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4wk3g0/bitfinex_and_the_police_where_are_they/d686tn4?context=3&st=irl4psmz&sh=0479e0c2
[2016-08-07 21:44:43] Rado : bernx: what does that mean?
[2016-08-07 21:44:46] Rado : 123k BTC
[2016-08-07 21:44:54] Rado : how many did they have before?
[2016-08-07 21:45:07] bernx : noone know
[2016-08-07 21:46:00] bernx : https://twitter.com/MAbtc/status/762397870376886272
[2016-08-07 21:49:25] Tetsuo : so they are either lying about working with the FBI or they are lying about opening withdrawls and making socialized losses in the next days, choose your favourite
[2016-08-07 22:09:26] bruh : go goe tc die
[2016-08-07 22:11:22] ixess : you short too?
[2016-08-07 22:15:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 1500 @ 0.003576
[2016-08-07 22:23:09] JH : so when is everyone opening their XBT shorts? 596?
[2016-08-07 23:24:49] bruh : anyone else profiting on their etc shorts?
[2016-08-08 00:18:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 14500 @ 0.003456
[2016-08-08 00:19:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 1300 @ 0.003417
[2016-08-08 00:19:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 300 @ 0.003436
[2016-08-08 00:19:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 3400 @ 0.003385
[2016-08-08 00:25:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 168 @ 0.003349
[2016-08-08 00:26:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 1 @ 0.003345 :punch: :whale:
[2016-08-08 00:32:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 600 @ 0.003328
[2016-08-08 00:34:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 1506 @ 0.003230
[2016-08-08 00:35:05] rapidtrades : i lost 38% now 36% like they claim
[2016-08-08 00:35:17] rapidtrades : not*
[2016-08-08 00:40:07] rapidtrades : BitGo reports are temporarily disabled.
[2016-08-08 00:40:25] rapidtrades : so they're not letting us see if our individual wallets were hacked
[2016-08-08 00:40:54] Tetsuo : Well i hope that deposits will be enabled soon!
[2016-08-08 00:41:31] Tetsuo : Other than that business as usual :"Hi Zane, You mentioned (more than once) that deposits after the theft wouldn't be included in the losses? When did that change? And you've also taken funds from withdrawals completed (but cancelled by you after-the-fact) before the theft. This is unacceptable, obviously. What's the appeals procedure? Edit: and you didn't even credit all my deposits? Wtf?? "
[2016-08-08 00:42:06] cenkzu : they told me they will manually review these deposits
[2016-08-08 00:46:55] zanza : willybot left I guess
[2016-08-08 00:54:53] rapidtrades : man this is depressing
[2016-08-08 00:55:22] rapidtrades : i was 90% usd when hack happpened
[2016-08-08 00:55:39] mjmj83 : How much did you loose rapid?
[2016-08-08 00:58:03] Rado : rapidtrades: I just login as well
[2016-08-08 00:58:21] Rado : from both my exchange and my margin wallet things got trimmed
[2016-08-08 00:58:27] Rado : and there are BFX tokens
[2016-08-08 00:59:13] rapidtrades : yeah joke
[2016-08-08 00:59:59] Rado : I haven't calculated exactly, but it looks like more than 36%
[2016-08-08 01:00:20] Rado : I had a little more than 17 BTC
[2016-08-08 01:00:48] Rado : now I have 10.5 and 0.75 in both wallets
[2016-08-08 01:01:16] Rado : I guess it works out
[2016-08-08 01:01:33] Rado : 6 BTC loss
[2016-08-08 01:01:43] Rado : more or less
[2016-08-08 01:11:10] rapidtrades : save all reports
[2016-08-08 01:13:49] Rado : rapidtrades: which reports?
[2016-08-08 01:14:33] Rado : I see
[2016-08-08 01:14:36] Rado : under reports
[2016-08-08 01:14:41] Rado : I can save them in CSV
[2016-08-08 01:15:58] rapidtrades : right...use all history
[2016-08-08 01:21:47] rapidtrades : when will trading resume
[2016-08-08 01:21:51] rapidtrades : a: We're shooting for a few days, we'll see how things play out
[2016-08-08 01:21:59] rapidtrades : (how many lawsuits we get)
[2016-08-08 01:24:20] Mm bot : Where to buy BFX tokens?
[2016-08-08 01:25:16] rapidtrades : f off
[2016-08-08 01:26:01] rapidtrades : ask ur mother she f*cks for free
[2016-08-08 01:31:06] Rado : rapidtrades: is 1 BFX token = 1 USD
[2016-08-08 01:32:25] rapidtrades : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4wnidw/bitfinex_itself_will_not_be_contributing_to_help/
[2016-08-08 01:34:13] willybot : BitMEX_Sam: Are you saying Bitmex dont operate MM bots on site?
[2016-08-08 01:35:00] BitMEX_Arthur : willybot: No we do not
[2016-08-08 01:35:28] willybot : BitMEX_Arthur: So nobody involved in the site does?
[2016-08-08 01:35:38] willybot : Your lying to us Arthur.
[2016-08-08 01:37:19] willybot : By the end of next week nobody will touch this exchange.
[2016-08-08 01:40:59] willybot : Theres a 10btc bounty for internal information relating to the operations of this site. Head over to https://bitflikz.com/ to collect.
[2016-08-08 01:41:23] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Arthur: what do u think about the way bitfinex is handling this
[2016-08-08 01:43:21] BitMEX_Arthur : rapidtrades: I don't know what their lawyers are telling them, at this point it's about covering their ass legally
[2016-08-08 01:45:54] rapidtrades : if covering their ass was the goal....surely they wouldn't push for a restart under this circumstances?
[2016-08-08 01:47:17] BitMEX_Sam : Gotta keep the money printer running
[2016-08-08 01:48:02] BitMEX_Arthur : rapidtrades: well this outcome is better than outright bankruptcy
[2016-08-08 01:48:11] BitMEX_Arthur : because no one will get anything for at least 5 years if that happened
[2016-08-08 01:48:14] BitMEX_Arthur : and after legal fees
[2016-08-08 01:48:18] BitMEX_Arthur : it would be way less
[2016-08-08 01:48:31] rapidtrades : you don't know that
[2016-08-08 01:48:37] BitMEX_Arthur : look at mtgox
[2016-08-08 01:48:41] BitMEX_Arthur : recovery value who knows
[2016-08-08 01:48:45] BitMEX_Arthur : but the time it takes
[2016-08-08 01:48:47] BitMEX_Arthur : years
[2016-08-08 01:48:52] rapidtrades : worth it
[2016-08-08 01:49:13] rapidtrades : 36% is better then most of these losers make
[2016-08-08 01:49:17] habibi : if u make stupid 10% per year by trading ur account crypto, its still worth it.
[2016-08-08 01:49:25] BitMEX_Arthur : yeah but that's very few people
[2016-08-08 01:49:41] BitMEX_Sam : It's still grossly unjust regardless
[2016-08-08 01:49:47] habibi : and obviously u would get way less money than u getting now after all costs
[2016-08-08 01:49:59] BitMEX_Sam : I agree that this is probably the best case for creditors but it's insane that there's essentially no consequence for the operators
[2016-08-08 01:50:11] rapidtrades : pretty sure im gonna join a class action to stop this
[2016-08-08 01:51:26] Rado : as soon as they allow withdrawals it's all over rapidtrades
[2016-08-08 01:51:33] Rado : I will pull my BTC
[2016-08-08 01:51:36] habibi : and end up with nothing as exchange will be closed then, so far u have at least additional shitcoin, maybe they will find investors at the end. very unposible but maybe
[2016-08-08 01:51:38] rapidtrades : if i don't sue smone else will so it's a moot point
[2016-08-08 01:51:44] rapidtrades : plan is not getting off this ground
[2016-08-08 01:52:27] Rado : if they list BFX tokens on Polo it will be fun
[2016-08-08 01:52:40] Rado : fomo people always want to trade shitty coins
[2016-08-08 01:53:25] rapidtrades : i'm telling you, nothing will come out of this plan
[2016-08-08 01:53:38] rapidtrades : they can't just steal everyone's USD
[2016-08-08 01:54:23] rapidtrades : they have 100,000s customers and it only takes 1 lawsuit to stop this
[2016-08-08 01:54:57] rapidtrades : bankrupt them and let coinbase or whoever pick up the pieces
[2016-08-08 01:55:25] rapidtrades : then we can at least have a chance of making that haircut back
[2016-08-08 01:55:26] Rado : rapidtrades: how do you secure the funds that are still there?
[2016-08-08 01:55:39] Rado : 64% of peoples money are still there
[2016-08-08 01:55:44] Rado : I want them out of there
[2016-08-08 01:55:58] rapidtrades : i don't see how
[2016-08-08 01:56:21] Rado : maybe they will allow withdrawal before there is any law suit
[2016-08-08 01:56:27] rapidtrades : im still discount my stuff at 50%...expecting not to see it for long time
[2016-08-08 01:56:57] rapidtrades : they can't allow withdrawals once they get that cease and desist letter
[2016-08-08 01:57:30] rapidtrades : if they do, they could go to jail
[2016-08-08 01:58:46] Rado : do you think they have suck letters already?
[2016-08-08 01:58:53] Rado : such
[2016-08-08 01:59:16] rapidtrades : they will after today
[2016-08-08 01:59:23] Rado : by the way if you enter into any suit let me know
[2016-08-08 01:59:29] Rado : so I can join
[2016-08-08 01:59:56] rapidtrades : i will
[2016-08-08 02:01:00] rapidtrades : i'm not doing it on my own unless they start dispensing funds and i can't get out...but i will join whatever suit pops up
[2016-08-08 02:01:16] Rado : right
[2016-08-08 02:02:54] rapidtrades : 1. get out 2. sue
[2016-08-08 02:03:31] Rado : yep
[2016-08-08 02:03:37] Rado : that will be the best for us
[2016-08-08 02:04:08] habibi : rapidtrades: imagine court saying they did it wrong way, there need to be done liquidation of company and all users need to return all the assets they withdraw after hack
[2016-08-08 02:04:18] ggwp : poor guys
[2016-08-08 02:04:28] ggwp : used bfx
[2016-08-08 02:04:31] Rado : habibi: court can't do that
[2016-08-08 02:04:32] ggwp : now even poorer
[2016-08-08 02:04:43] Rado : how are they going to force users from different countries to return money
[2016-08-08 02:04:53] rapidtrades : they can't
[2016-08-08 02:05:13] rapidtrades : that's why the second the first $$ goes out, they will be hit with that lawsuit
[2016-08-08 02:05:33] Rado : yep
[2016-08-08 02:05:42] zanza : willybot: you claim to be trading here for a month, but still dont understand how Fair Price works on a 7 day contract :)
[2016-08-08 02:06:04] zanza : and get all butthurt that you got liquidated on ETC
[2016-08-08 02:06:22] ggwp : pfff
[2016-08-08 02:06:27] zanza : claiming MM conspiracy
[2016-08-08 02:06:37] ggwp : hah!
[2016-08-08 02:06:45] zanza : like its their job to give you whatever fill price you want 24 hours a day
[2016-08-08 02:07:25] ggwp : MM=Mass MEdia?
[2016-08-08 02:07:58] zanza : he was upset the Market Maker pulled bids during a ETC drop yesterday
[2016-08-08 02:08:16] zanza : and apparently now he is swearing to get revenge
[2016-08-08 02:08:57] micmix : MMs will pull bids during sudden drop, or at least move them much farther down. it's completely normal.
[2016-08-08 02:09:30] zanza : obviously willybot thinks its his right that the MM gives whatever order price he wants always
[2016-08-08 02:09:52] micmix : no MM wants to get into large long during big drop
[2016-08-08 02:10:30] zanza : especially on a long date future
[2016-08-08 02:11:19] micmix : plus there is only one MM on ETC, so if willybot had large position, MM had a large position in opposite direction. so of course MM 'knew' about willybot's large position
[2016-08-08 02:11:45] willybot : You goons. Bitmex operate the MM and and withdrew bids after opening a large position on the 5th. Even during the 50s rise there was no exit
[2016-08-08 02:12:12] zanza : even if they did run a MM, it would be perfectly OK for them to do that
[2016-08-08 02:12:26] willybot : You think that spread was a coincidence?
[2016-08-08 02:12:36] willybot : zanza: Your deluded.
[2016-08-08 02:12:47] zanza : Long dated futures dont trade a spot
[2016-08-08 02:12:52] rapidtrades : willybot: maybe it wasn't but that only shows the MM f*Cked u
[2016-08-08 02:13:02] zanza : he thinks bitmex runs the MM rapidtrades
[2016-08-08 02:13:11] willybot : I know for a fact Bitmex operate the MM here
[2016-08-08 02:13:15] rapidtrades : he hasn't provided proof
[2016-08-08 02:13:31] willybot : there will be enough by next week
[2016-08-08 02:13:40] zanza : ROFL
[2016-08-08 02:13:42] zanza : so sour kid
[2016-08-08 02:13:52] willybot : this scamming exchange and their names go down with this shit hole
[2016-08-08 02:13:58] rapidtrades : apparently after bitfinex and okc trading on ur own exchange is not big deal
[2016-08-08 02:14:21] willybot : lets just see what the crypto community think of this
[2016-08-08 02:14:24] zanza : the only thing BitMEX guarantees, is settlement on the future expiry which is on Friday August 12 will be closedo n spot
[2016-08-08 02:14:25] rapidtrades : bar set pretty in this regard here :)
[2016-08-08 02:14:58] zanza : even if you wanted to run a malicious MM you are more than welcome to
[2016-08-08 02:15:08] zanza : honestly its probably not worth it
[2016-08-08 02:15:14] rapidtrades : they're not showing our bitgo adreses so we can see if we were hacked
[2016-08-08 02:15:15] willybot : it wont really matter. Arthurs dreams of Mr Goldman Sachs in Bitcoin will be a lol of the past
[2016-08-08 02:15:30] zanza : more like, your dream of getting rich on10x ETC will be in the past
[2016-08-08 02:15:41] zanza : ETC literalyl has 60% swings in hours time
[2016-08-08 02:15:50] zanza : and you go 10x leverage and get stopped
[2016-08-08 02:16:06] willybot : zanza: I got that on polo at 0.0006 Im comfortable
[2016-08-08 02:16:20] willybot : I sent some scraps to test this exchange
[2016-08-08 02:16:26] zanza : well good, you should just learn the system
[2016-08-08 02:16:45] zanza : 7 day ETC 10x leverage is not going to trade identically to Polo spot
[2016-08-08 02:16:50] willybot : This is principal
[2016-08-08 02:16:59] zanza : and you need to manage your margin to account for that
[2016-08-08 02:17:23] willybot : zanza: I have been trading crypto for years but thanks dad
[2016-08-08 02:17:48] zanza : you got stopped at .036 yesterday I remember, today you would have been stopped anyways
[2016-08-08 02:17:51] micmix : I don't know who runs the main MM here but MMs have to protect their positions on order to make money. You have to account for that when trading a contract like ETC with only one MM
[2016-08-08 02:17:55] willybot : Arthur will need to answer some tough questions.
[2016-08-08 02:18:00] zanza : becasue it dropped to .033
[2016-08-08 02:18:01] micmix : *in order
[2016-08-08 02:18:39] zanza : MM only goal is to make money. Now, willybot if you are saying that Bitmex runs a MM bot, and they have customer information they can profit off and change the market
[2016-08-08 02:18:39] micmix : and be prepared to hold to expiry, same for XBTU16
[2016-08-08 02:18:46] willybot : I doesnt really matter. Once an article goes on this exchange the rep is damaged
[2016-08-08 02:19:14] zanza : Fair Market Pricing makes it so MM manipulation CAN"T happen
[2016-08-08 02:19:18] willybot : every time you google bitmex or arthur haynes the word "scam" will tag along with it
[2016-08-08 02:19:34] zanza : you are trying to blackmail to get your money back or something but
[2016-08-08 02:19:48] zanza : honestly you would be much better off, just learning
[2016-08-08 02:19:53] zanza : lower your leverage
[2016-08-08 02:20:16] willybot : Unfortunately the community deserve to know what goes on here
[2016-08-08 02:20:20] zanza : Things trade a little differently here than compared to BitFinex for example
[2016-08-08 02:20:37] zanza : even if BitMex runs a liquidity bot, I dont' think that would be a bad thing
[2016-08-08 02:20:41] willybot : zanza: They should disclose the fact they run the bots
[2016-08-08 02:21:00] willybot : zanza: lucky your opinion wont matter on this then
[2016-08-08 02:21:00] zanza : ok, lets say then run a bot
[2016-08-08 02:21:32] zanza : this will help liquidity and people should like it
[2016-08-08 02:21:55] zanza : right now ETC is trading at about 6% off spot
[2016-08-08 02:22:34] willybot : zanza: until they manipulate the price and books at their benefit with inside position knwoledge
[2016-08-08 02:23:22] zanza : liquidation positions goes to insurance fund, so still there would be no real reason
[2016-08-08 02:23:45] zanza : https://www.bitmex.com/app/insuranceFund
[2016-08-08 02:23:48] willybot : zanza: lmao. And who audits the insurance fund or you just trust them?
[2016-08-08 02:24:42] willybot : What do they think happens if a US customer comes and has a play only to discover their scam?
[2016-08-08 02:25:12] willybot : Sorry boys, Seychelles and Hong kong arent fantasy lands
[2016-08-08 02:25:38] zanza : like you said, you were just trading for peanuts here. You really think they are going to break out their big manipulation tools for a small fish like you ?
[2016-08-08 02:26:06] willybot : zanza: When its 10+ BTC profit at their loss. I sure do
[2016-08-08 02:26:48] willybot : There are only a handful of traders here. When someone comes and takes 10btc of their bankroll they dont like it
[2016-08-08 02:26:54] zanza : I feel like you are just inexperience with highly leveraged futures. OKCoin would have the same thing, only WORSe since they use cascading margin calls
[2016-08-08 02:27:02] zanza : woodchipper = OK-coin
[2016-08-08 02:27:13] willybot : zanza: I have traded on okcoin for a few years now
[2016-08-08 02:27:24] zanza : they have huge price swings
[2016-08-08 02:27:36] willybot : your talking like im new to this
[2016-08-08 02:27:36] zanza : and bots wiping out stops
[2016-08-08 02:28:35] zanza : you should of setup a liquidation trailing stop
[2016-08-08 02:28:48] zanza : since its not cascading, its guaranteed to fill at that price
[2016-08-08 02:29:05] zanza : or, reduced your leverage
[2016-08-08 02:29:29] zanza : there is a reason I don't think any other place trades 10x leverage ETC
[2016-08-08 02:29:38] zanza : becasue its batshit insane
[2016-08-08 02:30:04] zanza : but there were tools you could have guarded yourself with
[2016-08-08 02:30:37] zanza : also , the difference in price ysterday
[2016-08-08 02:30:46] zanza : I think Polo spot hit .039, and it hit .036 here
[2016-08-08 02:30:59] zanza : its like 7% difference, not unheard of for future
[2016-08-08 02:31:04] willybot : zanza: What dont you undersand? Bitmex run the MM bot and pulled bids with my 16k long so I coud not exit, even on the 50s pumos
[2016-08-08 02:31:42] zanza : total open interest on ETC is 150k now
[2016-08-08 02:31:53] zanza : so you were like 10%
[2016-08-08 02:32:16] willybot : zanza: lmao, whos 150k do you thin that is?
[2016-08-08 02:32:26] zanza : maybe MM or other traders
[2016-08-08 02:32:40] willybot : they trade against themselves to wash volume
[2016-08-08 02:33:00] zanza : even if so
[2016-08-08 02:33:13] zanza : you could have set a liq price which acts as a stop
[2016-08-08 02:33:25] zanza : which is better than OKC, since it activated fully at the set price
[2016-08-08 02:33:36] willybot : zanza: ok Im convinced your one of the other two scamming founders
[2016-08-08 02:33:44] zanza : instead of possibly being much worse and cascading down
[2016-08-08 02:33:51] zanza : i dont work here :) been here for 1 year tho
[2016-08-08 02:33:57] ggwp : top kek
[2016-08-08 02:34:12] ggwp : zenza is skem
[2016-08-08 02:34:52] habibi : zanza give me my two btcs u scammy scambag
[2016-08-08 02:34:59] habibi : or it was 20? :p
[2016-08-08 02:35:19] zanza : thanks habibi though it was a gift?
[2016-08-08 02:35:44] ggwp : 200 bertcoins fer mee pleeze
[2016-08-08 02:35:46] zanza : but willybot play around on testnet with the liquidation and changing margin %
[2016-08-08 02:35:48] habibi : it was, but by then i thought u honest guy, not scammy scammer
[2016-08-08 02:36:13] micmix : habibi: sorry to see your ROE drop below 400%
[2016-08-08 02:36:23] zanza : yeah we all know habibi is super rich
[2016-08-08 02:36:29] zanza : $$$
[2016-08-08 02:36:45] habibi : micmix: hehe :)
[2016-08-08 02:37:25] micmix : still, top 20 notional is not that bad ;-)
[2016-08-08 02:37:31] habibi : anyway i think it was stupid to change it to 7d, one insider playing here ruining whole market on classic
[2016-08-08 02:37:49] zanza : you think they should have perpetual ETC?
[2016-08-08 02:38:16] habibi : nope, daily
[2016-08-08 02:38:50] willybot : habibi: They cant abuse the system as well with daily
[2016-08-08 02:39:12] micmix : daily and quanto to make us super-rich ;-)
[2016-08-08 02:39:16] zanza : daily means, you have to pay fees everyday if you want to stay in ETC
[2016-08-08 02:39:26] zanza : Weekly means you only have to pay fees 1nce per week
[2016-08-08 02:39:49] habibi : zanza who cares if market is totally not moving coz one shorter takes most of open short interest
[2016-08-08 02:39:55] habibi : and wants more
[2016-08-08 02:40:14] zanza : so you mean like right now its -5% premium
[2016-08-08 02:40:21] habibi : fees are none compared to lack of movement compared to spot
[2016-08-08 02:40:35] habibi : like most of time?
[2016-08-08 02:41:02] zanza : you can profit off negative premium if you feel like its undervalued
[2016-08-08 02:41:15] zanza : buying ETC for 7% discount
[2016-08-08 02:41:30] habibi : ah thank u for great advice :)
[2016-08-08 02:41:35] zanza : ROFL
[2016-08-08 02:41:53] zanza : well you seem to be upset 1 big shorter on ETC lower price
[2016-08-08 02:42:12] habibi : eh u really dont get it :D?
[2016-08-08 02:42:48] zanza : you want more liquidity?
[2016-08-08 02:42:55] willybot : now where shorts want to cover, Bitmex removes the asks
[2016-08-08 02:43:42] habibi : i want futures moving at all ? with liquidity yes. u see any of these two on etc?
[2016-08-08 02:44:26] zanza : it was .031 a few hours ago
[2016-08-08 02:45:12] zanza : spread seems ok on ETC now
[2016-08-08 02:45:28] habibi : did i mention sth about the spread?
[2016-08-08 02:45:53] zanza : why dont you buy it then ?
[2016-08-08 02:45:58] habibi : already did?
[2016-08-08 02:46:23] zanza : all Bitmex guarantees is settlement on spot price August 12
[2016-08-08 02:46:46] habibi : thats why i said it would be much more playable market if it would settle every 24h
[2016-08-08 02:46:52] habibi : now its shit
[2016-08-08 02:46:59] habibi : eot zanza :)
[2016-08-08 02:47:38] willybot : zanza: Im convinced your one of the 33
[2016-08-08 02:47:51] zanza : 33?
[2016-08-08 02:48:16] willybot : zanza: 3
[2016-08-08 02:49:06] zanza : the real criticism for BitMEx, you can ask Sleger
[2016-08-08 02:49:24] habibi : is he still having funds here?
[2016-08-08 02:49:35] zanza : but, DPE doesn't happen very much. habibi I don't know, maybe he switched names
[2016-08-08 02:49:37] willybot : zanza: long story short?
[2016-08-08 02:49:40] zanza : I hope he didn't go all in at Bitfinex
[2016-08-08 02:50:03] zanza : willybot: sleger was big player here, before Bitmex released the perpetual contract
[2016-08-08 02:50:26] zanza : they released it, and it wasn't tracking spot well so they had to quickly change the terms to charge funding 3x per day (instead of 1)
[2016-08-08 02:51:00] zanza : and apparently sleger lost money on this, and then stopped traiding here because he thought it was wrong how they changed the terms quickly
[2016-08-08 02:51:05] willybot : ROFL Arthur trying to raise 2 m USD
[2016-08-08 02:51:13] zanza : link?
[2016-08-08 02:53:05] zanza : This site is basically complete now, and is profitable I don't see why they would want to raise capital
[2016-08-08 02:53:14] zanza : other than to cash out
[2016-08-08 02:54:10] habibi : zanza: maybe he read crypto digest trader
[2016-08-08 02:55:06] willybot : trying to expand into china
[2016-08-08 03:04:33] zanza : ETC climbing
[2016-08-08 03:04:53] ggwp : willybot: uhhh sauce?
[2016-08-08 03:05:15] zanza : he is speculating I think Bitmex VC funding needs
[2016-08-08 03:07:44] ggwp : BitMexCoin is what we need
[2016-08-08 03:07:57] ggwp : a C R O W D S A L E ! ! !
[2016-08-08 03:08:35] ggwp : (yaaaay)
[2016-08-08 03:11:10] zanza : im buying
[2016-08-08 03:11:34] zanza : or even better, then should just take half of all depositor money and, and give them free BitMexCoin
[2016-08-08 03:11:46] zanza : I think most people would be very happy to find out they own a company now
[2016-08-08 03:13:28] Rado : lol
[2016-08-08 03:13:32] Rado : you guys are funny
[2016-08-08 03:13:40] Rado : BitMEX is very small still
[2016-08-08 03:13:47] Rado : 2 mill is nothing
[2016-08-08 03:13:50] Rado : they coul dexpand
[2016-08-08 03:14:01] Rado : they have less than 10 people working for the company
[2016-08-08 03:14:54] ggwp : free BMX would be nice
[2016-08-08 03:15:07] Rado : I think I got a good price for ETC
[2016-08-08 03:16:12] habibi : i bet willybot thought the same before he went into rage mode :p
[2016-08-08 03:16:23] Rado : lol
[2016-08-08 03:16:28] Rado : I want to prove him wrong
[2016-08-08 03:16:35] Rado : I thin his trade was bad
[2016-08-08 03:16:38] Rado : no one gamed him
[2016-08-08 03:17:05] Rado : ETC contract can use more MMs, but that doesn't mean they are out to get him
[2016-08-08 03:17:41] zanza : u just have to be careful with leverage
[2016-08-08 03:17:45] willybot : I got enough ETC on polo at 0.0006 to take the next 3 years off
[2016-08-08 03:18:30] willybot : I came here to test it out and see what happens over here. The leverage was interesting
[2016-08-08 03:18:52] zanza : u can make back the ETc u lost
[2016-08-08 03:18:55] Rado : it still is
[2016-08-08 03:19:08] willybot : Rado: My trade was spot on.
[2016-08-08 03:19:20] Rado : but you did not sell in time
[2016-08-08 03:19:42] Rado : perhaps greedy?
[2016-08-08 03:19:45] willybot : Rado: for the 5th time. Bitmex removed bids so I could not exit, even in the 50s pump
[2016-08-08 03:19:47] Rado : nothing is ever perfect
[2016-08-08 03:19:55] Rado : take what the universe gives you
[2016-08-08 03:20:12] Rado : willybot: you coul dexit
[2016-08-08 03:20:21] Rado : the problem is you could not get what you want
[2016-08-08 03:20:29] ggwp : gawd
[2016-08-08 03:20:30] Rado : they did not pull bids to 0
[2016-08-08 03:20:32] ggwp : guise
[2016-08-08 03:20:38] willybot : Rado: yeah of course. In the negative
[2016-08-08 03:20:49] Rado : in the negative?
[2016-08-08 03:21:04] Rado : I thought you were up a lot
[2016-08-08 03:21:17] zanza : he is up from overall since he got .0006 ETC
[2016-08-08 03:21:54] willybot : Rado: are you paying attention? My 16k long was in profit but they removed any bids so I could not exit, even with the 50s pump
[2016-08-08 03:22:12] Rado : tha doesn't make sense willybot
[2016-08-08 03:22:20] Rado : it's not only you trading here
[2016-08-08 03:22:33] Rado : there were shorts the same time you were long
[2016-08-08 03:22:46] Rado : so if bids were pulled shorts could cover lower
[2016-08-08 03:22:52] Rado : so they benefited in this case
[2016-08-08 03:22:56] habibi : rado if there is big guy enough filling shorts way lover, then price going up and shorter is still there with another asks
[2016-08-08 03:23:04] Rado : you are looking only from your perspective
[2016-08-08 03:23:12] habibi : people get enough long filled so they dont need to buy later
[2016-08-08 03:23:19] habibi : no action later beside mm
[2016-08-08 03:23:36] willybot : Rado: ok. lets say you have a 16k to sell that you bought at 1 dollar. when the price goes to 1.50 all the bids are pulled. Who do you sell to?
[2016-08-08 03:23:36] Rado : habibi: there are always shorts
[2016-08-08 03:23:42] Rado : other way the market will not work
[2016-08-08 03:23:51] Rado : as lockhadge or micmix
[2016-08-08 03:23:53] Rado : ask
[2016-08-08 03:24:02] zanza : dexit
[2016-08-08 03:24:25] Rado : willybot: you sell to the guy that want's to cover
[2016-08-08 03:24:35] willybot : there are a handful of traders on this platform.
[2016-08-08 03:25:02] Rado : If you were long 16k another trader or an MM was short
[2016-08-08 03:25:06] habibi : just saying, if someone is opening short for very large ammount, he can exhaust the market coz there are not many people going short when spot is 5-10% higher
[2016-08-08 03:25:31] Rado : you guys don't seem to get how this work
[2016-08-08 03:25:37] Rado : there are no more shorts or more longs
[2016-08-08 03:25:40] willybot : Im not going to try explain this if you dont understand
[2016-08-08 03:25:44] Rado : shorts and longs are always the same amount
[2016-08-08 03:25:50] habibi : ofc there are not. its always 50 50
[2016-08-08 03:26:00] Rado : there you go
[2016-08-08 03:26:02] micmix : willybot, did you try to post a limit order to exit?
[2016-08-08 03:26:14] Rado : unless the short guy was willing to lose money just to stick it to willybot
[2016-08-08 03:26:25] zanza : the market jumped from like .046 to .036 very quickly
[2016-08-08 03:26:31] zanza : yesterday
[2016-08-08 03:26:31] willybot : The fact of the matter is Bitmex operate the MM bots and use inside knowledge to profit from customers
[2016-08-08 03:26:38] Rado : zanza: because ETC fell
[2016-08-08 03:26:47] Rado : that is called market moving on you
[2016-08-08 03:26:57] willybot : faceplam
[2016-08-08 03:27:27] Rado : willybot: for some reason they let me make money
[2016-08-08 03:27:31] zanza : illiquid future market need to be played differently
[2016-08-08 03:27:33] Rado : they don't like you I guess
[2016-08-08 03:27:47] Rado : zanza: totally agree
[2016-08-08 03:28:06] zanza : in our corporate meeting yesterday, Aruthur was saying he didn't liek willybot and was going to try to screw him
[2016-08-08 03:28:13] zanza : Sam and wally agreed
[2016-08-08 03:28:23] Rado : I shorted in the 0.005s and when the price went over 0.006 I was in bad position
[2016-08-08 03:28:37] zanza : oh wow really rado ?
[2016-08-08 03:28:39] Rado : I could have said MMs are taking the price higher because I shorted at 0.0055
[2016-08-08 03:28:40] willybot : Rado: Thats great, you made 0.1 btc
[2016-08-08 03:28:46] zanza : rofl
[2016-08-08 03:29:31] Rado : willybot: I just took long ETC earlier at 0.0034
[2016-08-08 03:29:52] Rado : if the price goees down now to 0.003 does that mean someone is pulling the bids on me?
[2016-08-08 03:31:21] Rado : the fact is that spot ETC went down when you were long
[2016-08-08 03:31:31] Rado : BitMEX does not control ETC spot price
[2016-08-08 03:31:35] Rado : at least that's for sure
[2016-08-08 03:32:03] Rado : If ETC went up to 0.007 you woul dbe singing a different song
[2016-08-08 03:32:42] Rado : you would have been the smartest trader that cashed out 16k contracts
[2016-08-08 03:33:05] Rado : by the way how long have you been trading?
[2016-08-08 03:33:46] zanza : he said a few years
[2016-08-08 03:34:02] zanza : but I BitMex is a little different espeically the long dated future
[2016-08-08 03:37:34] zanza : and ETC is a new animal in istelf
[2016-08-08 03:37:51] zanza : there is a reason these Polo kids go insane for it
[2016-08-08 03:38:00] Rado : yeah
[2016-08-08 03:38:07] Rado : they are in bad shape right now
[2016-08-08 03:38:18] Rado : a lot of bag holders over 0.005
[2016-08-08 03:38:58] micmix : if I want to exit a big position, I post a set of smaller limit orders on the way up/down and wait for them to be eaten. I don't expect MM to give me a good price to exit right away
[2016-08-08 03:39:37] Rado : micmix: do you trade outside of your bot?
[2016-08-08 03:39:54] micmix : sometimes on quarterlies
[2016-08-08 03:39:54] zanza : micmix: can't you also use the leverage trick ?
[2016-08-08 03:40:10] zanza : set max isolated
[2016-08-08 03:40:57] micmix : zanza: it's expensive on some contracts bc you lose maint. margin
[2016-08-08 03:41:18] zanza : its like setting a guaranteed stop loss
[2016-08-08 03:41:23] micmix : and it works only on rebalance anyway
[2016-08-08 03:41:37] micmix : if you have profit
[2016-08-08 03:42:21] micmix : you need rebalance to move your profit to realized, then you can go max leverage to liquidate
[2016-08-08 03:47:04] willybot : Rado: ETC went up when I was long
[2016-08-08 03:47:40] Rado : then micmix is right you should have put orders to sell at the ask so they hit you when it was going up
[2016-08-08 03:48:01] Rado : maybe you thought it will go moe
[2016-08-08 03:48:07] Rado : look man I feel your pain
[2016-08-08 03:48:25] Rado : I understand why you are frustrated
[2016-08-08 03:48:34] willybot : I dont need a bunch of noobs advising me on my trading strategy.
[2016-08-08 03:48:44] Rado : noob?
[2016-08-08 03:48:46] Rado : lol
[2016-08-08 03:49:14] zanza : willybot: I just don't think you have gotten the full hang of BitMEX yet, its a bit different than other places like Finex
[2016-08-08 03:49:40] willybot : zanza: Thats why I set out to test it for a month
[2016-08-08 03:50:05] willybot : But Bitmex not disclosing the fact they operate the MM bots was a killer
[2016-08-08 03:51:07] zanza : of course they can't disclose it, they are being paid by the Illuminatti
[2016-08-08 03:51:16] zanza : under strict orders to secrecy
[2016-08-08 03:51:39] micmix : well if you watched the orderbook for a bit you would have seen that MMs pull their quotes from time to time during high volatility. my MM goes wide, some MMs pull out one side altogether
[2016-08-08 03:51:39] willybot : Ahhh so this is a conspiracy to wally here
[2016-08-08 03:52:50] Rado : willybot: look at the volume today
[2016-08-08 03:52:56] Rado : 3134 XBT
[2016-08-08 03:53:01] Rado : that day was even higher
[2016-08-08 03:53:09] Rado : at least double
[2016-08-08 03:53:24] willybot : Rado: its wash
[2016-08-08 03:53:32] Rado : you think your 57 XBT order was moving the whole market here
[2016-08-08 03:53:54] Rado : that's kind of arrogant
[2016-08-08 03:54:11] willybot : Rado: It did. After the entry the bids vanished
[2016-08-08 03:54:21] Rado : I am sure other people were long as well
[2016-08-08 03:54:23] willybot : That is not debatable.
[2016-08-08 03:54:40] willybot : others where long but minor positions
[2016-08-08 03:54:44] zanza : you are still trying to play this as a spot market
[2016-08-08 03:54:48] Rado : right now the spread is big
[2016-08-08 03:54:50] Rado : you know why
[2016-08-08 03:54:58] Rado : because of my 1000 contrats long
[2016-08-08 03:55:06] Rado : they don't want me to be able to sell
[2016-08-08 03:55:12] micmix : it has nothing to do with insider knowledge. if the price goes up and my MM is already short, it will move the asks up or remove them altogether until it gets the delta under control via hedging. it will not post high bids either bc it doesn't want to close short with a big loss
[2016-08-08 03:55:19] Rado : zanza: please call 911 on BitMEX
[2016-08-08 03:55:26] Rado : they are playing against me
[2016-08-08 03:55:39] Rado : earlier was 0.0036
[2016-08-08 03:55:46] zanza : `goes to alert the internet`
[2016-08-08 03:55:49] Rado : I could not sell and they pulled the bids on me
[2016-08-08 03:56:17] Rado : I think my 1000 contracts moved the market
[2016-08-08 03:56:34] willybot : Im no longer going to debate in here. I will ensure the crypto community are aware of insider trading at Bitmex with Arthur Haynes
[2016-08-08 03:57:26] zanza : im sure you have a whole bag of facts
[2016-08-08 03:57:29] zanza : to go with that
[2016-08-08 03:57:36] micmix : lol, crypto community doesn't care. finex guys were openly saying that they are trading on finex
[2016-08-08 03:57:41] willybot : zanza: There sure is.
[2016-08-08 03:58:14] willybot : Reputation is all that matters in crypto
[2016-08-08 03:58:56] Roevenger : obviously not, Ethereum and Bitfinex are too big examples that morals and reputation don't matter much
[2016-08-08 03:59:08] Roevenger : two*