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[2016-08-06 17:04:14] Tetsuo : zane the saviour tacket maybe?
[2016-08-06 17:05:24] rapidtrades : yeah ping him on reddit
[2016-08-06 17:07:12] Tetsuo : his answer will probably be: " we have to think about that, and will give u information about it asap" *crowd is cheering*
[2016-08-06 17:07:41] rapidtrades : they can cheer all they want....this isn't a democracy
[2016-08-06 17:08:45] Tetsuo : huge stockholm syndrome goin on @ reddit
[2016-08-06 17:09:20] habibi : agree with general opinion, despite i didnt hold penny @finex
[2016-08-06 17:10:30] rapidtrades : doesn't matter, the law's the law
[2016-08-06 17:10:53] rapidtrades : they're officially bankrupt until they find an investor
[2016-08-06 17:12:27] Tetsuo : @Bitmex will you add Finexcoin for trading here?
[2016-08-06 17:17:23] Tetsuo : still no information from Finex about how the hack happened, i guess we all just have to believe that it *did*
[2016-08-06 17:17:40] habibi : lol coz there is ongoing investigation? i will get every detail on it
[2016-08-06 17:17:46] habibi : when the time come
[2016-08-06 17:18:28] Tetsuo : so they don´t know how it happened but they will relaunch the site in24-48h, sounds promising
[2016-08-06 17:18:41] ersagun : Guys, when was the exact time (UTC-GMT) the hack happened?
[2016-08-06 17:18:52] bernx : thus fucking spread in ETC
[2016-08-06 17:20:45] Tetsuo : Gox at least was creatice and invented a story about the malleability issue , Finex is even too arrogant to come up with some good lies
[2016-08-06 17:23:19] bernx : PSA: There's a very real chance Finex will liquidate 36.07% of its $ETH $ETC & $LTC holdings over the next 72 hours. Not FUD just caution..
[2016-08-06 17:23:31] habibi : bernx: thats u info?
[2016-08-06 17:23:44] bernx : twitter rumors
[2016-08-06 17:23:58] habibi : ;)
[2016-08-06 17:23:59] bernx : but in case "all assets" may be real
[2016-08-06 17:24:11] Zyzz : bernx: stopp spamming Collin Crypto tweets. he sucks
[2016-08-06 17:24:26] bernx : Where did i spam it?
[2016-08-06 17:24:28] habibi : fud, but its great buy occassion
[2016-08-06 17:25:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 1521 @ 0.004219
[2016-08-06 17:25:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 488 @ 0.004229
[2016-08-06 17:25:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 1000 @ 0.004233
[2016-08-06 17:26:42] bernx : Well i think check wallets of exchange its's good idea
[2016-08-06 17:30:39] Tetsuo : http://www.cftc.gov/consumerprotection/fileatiporcomplaint/index.htm
[2016-08-06 17:31:02] rapidtrades : great but that's for americans
[2016-08-06 17:31:30] rapidtrades : they can't get away with this, they're too big
[2016-08-06 17:31:34] Tetsuo : i just sent a complaint, even if i´m not american and didn´t have anything on Finex. I just want them to be dead eternally
[2016-08-06 17:31:43] rapidtrades : tnx man
[2016-08-06 17:31:59] habibi : tell me :D please... lets say they will come to finex, hold all their assets, luqidate them... and 4 years from now u will get way less than finex is offering u now, how it is a good sollution
[2016-08-06 17:32:19] rapidtrades : i'll get more for sure
[2016-08-06 17:32:32] rapidtrades : cos i was 90% in usd and short
[2016-08-06 17:33:01] rapidtrades : like i said before i'd rather take the cut IF I can get my money now...but it won't happen
[2016-08-06 17:33:30] rapidtrades : they will prolly get served on Monday and will have ti stop this crazy plan
[2016-08-06 17:35:12] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 90546 @ 583.31 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-08-06 17:35:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1400 @ 584.08
[2016-08-06 17:37:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 8415 @ 585.02
[2016-08-06 17:38:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 620 @ 0.004159
[2016-08-06 17:39:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 600 @ 0.004124
[2016-08-06 17:39:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 100 @ 0.004121
[2016-08-06 17:44:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 3493 @ 0.004078
[2016-08-06 17:46:49] justinlooking : wonder if impact mid price is affected by hidde norders
[2016-08-06 17:49:31] Rado : rapidtrades: so when are we getting the news?
[2016-08-06 17:51:24] rapidtrades : news is out
[2016-08-06 17:51:54] rapidtrades : brb
[2016-08-06 17:53:32] Rado : We intend to come online within 24-48 hours with limited platform functionality.
[2016-08-06 17:53:42] Tetsuo : plz stop trolling
[2016-08-06 17:53:49] habibi : ts.dbag.io if anyone wanna listen to zane live on teamspeak
[2016-08-06 17:53:56] Rado : For me this is the same as over the last 4 days
[2016-08-06 17:54:07] Tetsuo : does dbag stand for douchebag?
[2016-08-06 17:54:10] Rado : it doesn't mean it will happen
[2016-08-06 17:55:47] Tetsuo : i hope zane dies in a car accident, i can´t read his shit any longer
[2016-08-06 17:57:28] Tetsuo : i would rather believe a whore tellin me that she really felt in love with me than read his soothing lies any longer
[2016-08-06 18:01:09] habibi : shut up :)
[2016-08-06 18:02:34] rapidtrades : is there a precedent for this? socializing losses like this across all asssets
[2016-08-06 18:02:55] justinlooking : u mean like every bankruptcy ever?
[2016-08-06 18:02:57] rapidtrades : what's the name of that guy that bought greek bonds wih customer funds
[2016-08-06 18:03:04] rapidtrades : justinlooking: shut up
[2016-08-06 18:03:22] justinlooking : think b4 u spk tard
[2016-08-06 18:03:29] rapidtrades : im not an investor US STUPID CUNTT
[2016-08-06 18:03:34] rapidtrades : CUNTTTT
[2016-08-06 18:03:38] rapidtrades : CUUNT
[2016-08-06 18:04:02] Tetsuo : live from reddit: "I know its counter intuitive, but I think Bitfinex will probably turn out to be the most secure exchange in the future, " LMAOLMAOLMAO
[2016-08-06 18:04:15] rapidtrades : yeah shill accounts
[2016-08-06 18:04:23] rapidtrades : im getting outta there asap
[2016-08-06 18:05:29] rapidtrades : http://www.businessinsider.com/mf-global-ordered-to-pay-customers-12b-2013-11
[2016-08-06 18:05:37] rapidtrades : mfglobal didn't get away with it
[2016-08-06 18:06:14] rapidtrades : MF Global unlawfully used customer segregated funds to support its own proprietary operations and the operations of its affiliates
[2016-08-06 18:06:23] rapidtrades : segregated
[2016-08-06 18:06:25] rapidtrades : funds
[2016-08-06 18:06:37] rapidtrades : segregated wallets ring a bell
[2016-08-06 18:08:10] rapidtrades : and this headline 'MF Global Customers to Be Paid Back in Full - The New York Times'
[2016-08-06 18:08:41] justinlooking : man were global regulated corp with trustees and shit
[2016-08-06 18:09:25] rapidtrades : The payout comes nearly 2-1/2 years after the parent company once run by Jon Corzine, who had previously been a co-chairman of Goldman Sachs <GS.N> and governor of New Jersey, filed for Chapter 11 protection.
[2016-08-06 18:09:36] rapidtrades : 2.5 aint bad
[2016-08-06 18:10:04] justinlooking : depends what btc is in 2.5 years
[2016-08-06 18:10:26] Roevenger : a nice steal can happen every 2.5 years :)
[2016-08-06 18:11:06] justinlooking : bet this is good for trezor and ledger sales
[2016-08-06 18:11:17] Roevenger : the most stupid thing is that some people will keep trading there
[2016-08-06 18:12:11] rapidtrades : noone will trade there unless they get bought and investors plug the hole
[2016-08-06 18:12:15] rapidtrades : they're insolvent
[2016-08-06 18:19:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 1052 @ 0.004069
[2016-08-06 18:20:20] rapidtrades : funny...a huge bid liq on swap and huge ask liq on sept
[2016-08-06 18:38:33] Rado : I know a solution, but Bitfinexs are too greedy to do it
[2016-08-06 18:38:49] Rado : They can sell shares by doing a corwdfunding on the blockchain
[2016-08-06 18:38:58] Rado : everyone will have shares of the company
[2016-08-06 18:39:08] Rado : then use the proceedings to cover all losses
[2016-08-06 18:39:30] Rado : they will lose some portion of the company, but can dilute the existing shares
[2016-08-06 18:39:52] Rado : instead of looking for investors they can let people become investors
[2016-08-06 18:40:49] Rado : rapidtrades: where is the liquidation on swap? I don't see it in the order book
[2016-08-06 18:42:36] justinlooking : it got filled
[2016-08-06 18:42:40] Rado : cool
[2016-08-06 18:43:08] bernx : Again this fucking ETC spread zomfg
[2016-08-06 18:43:37] Rado : crazy
[2016-08-06 18:44:24] bernx : Bitmex can you do something with this shit?
[2016-08-06 18:45:00] Rado : It has a lot of volume, but MMs are not good
[2016-08-06 18:45:02] Rado : not sure why
[2016-08-06 18:45:10] Rado : maybe they make a lot of money that way
[2016-08-06 18:45:17] bernx : I open long at 400, now price 460 and there is still bids for 405
[2016-08-06 18:45:18] Rado : not even sure if it's more than one MM
[2016-08-06 18:45:29] bernx : can't fap to this
[2016-08-06 18:45:53] Rado : bernx: sell at 0.0043 and you are good
[2016-08-06 18:45:54] Rado : then repeat
[2016-08-06 18:46:12] Rado : you can become an MM :-)
[2016-08-06 18:46:33] bernx : But I can't sell mate!
[2016-08-06 18:46:41] Rado : why?
[2016-08-06 18:46:54] bernx : To who? Put sell order? Noone buy. No movement here
[2016-08-06 18:47:02] Rado : well
[2016-08-06 18:47:09] Rado : you don't know unless you have an order
[2016-08-06 18:47:14] Rado : someone might buy
[2016-08-06 18:47:20] Rado : specially when there is an uptick
[2016-08-06 18:48:23] bernx : Rado do you use bot?
[2016-08-06 18:48:27] rapidtrades : Rado: agree they give us some worthless coin while they keep the shares
[2016-08-06 18:48:34] rapidtrades : greedy scum
[2016-08-06 18:48:56] Rado : bernx: I don't have a bot for BitMEX yet, but will be working on one soon
[2016-08-06 18:49:05] bernx : Just i wanna understand bot use some MACD or any indicators or how it work
[2016-08-06 18:49:16] Rado : going on a 6 months trip around the world and will have time to develop more bots then
[2016-08-06 18:49:46] rapidtrades : Rado: are u rly?
[2016-08-06 18:49:47] Rado : bernx: My ETH bot uses MACD and RSI
[2016-08-06 18:49:55] bernx : rapidtrades: I think there is good opportunity. First dump, then pump. Hope bitmex add margin for this
[2016-08-06 18:49:58] Rado : yes rapidtrades
[2016-08-06 18:50:02] rapidtrades : cool
[2016-08-06 18:50:04] Rado : leaving Feb 2017
[2016-08-06 18:50:18] rapidtrades : i've kinda been travelling around too but longer-term
[2016-08-06 18:50:39] Rado : after the 6 months we will stay in one place for longer period
[2016-08-06 18:50:42] Rado : like 6 months
[2016-08-06 18:50:47] Rado : might never come back :-)
[2016-08-06 18:50:54] rapidtrades : ahaha sounds good
[2016-08-06 18:51:08] Rado : will create a blog
[2016-08-06 18:51:16] Rado : to post pics
[2016-08-06 18:51:42] rapidtrades : cool man
[2016-08-06 18:51:53] Rado : going out for brunch
[2016-08-06 18:51:59] Rado : short on swap and set stop
[2016-08-06 18:52:02] Rado : see ya guys later
[2016-08-06 18:52:03] rapidtrades : lol brunch
[2016-08-06 18:52:13] Rado : 11:52 AM here
[2016-08-06 18:52:19] Rado : ;-)
[2016-08-06 18:52:21] rapidtrades : where u at
[2016-08-06 18:52:27] Rado : Vancouver
[2016-08-06 18:52:36] rapidtrades : do u live there
[2016-08-06 18:52:43] Rado : for the last 16 years
[2016-08-06 18:52:47] rapidtrades : ah cool
[2016-08-06 18:54:08] bernx : Cya
[2016-08-06 18:56:58] Zyzz : Rado: what kind of bot?
[2016-08-06 19:04:55] Rado : Zyzz: at https://cryptotrader.org/?r=467 called RADO ST1
[2016-08-06 19:08:15] rapidtrades : Rado: are u a programmer?
[2016-08-06 19:13:21] Zyzz : Rado: give me free access. like a beta test. if it works i pay
[2016-08-06 19:16:51] Rado : rapidtrades: yes
[2016-08-06 19:17:27] Rado : Zyzz: we ca negotiate something
[2016-08-06 19:17:42] Rado : 1 month now is $90
[2016-08-06 19:18:06] Rado : i will give it to you for $50 if you use the affiliate link
[2016-08-06 19:20:46] Zyzz : Rado: i think i used ur link there. And is it not possible to test it for a day or a few hours. I have never used that platform before. no idea how it works
[2016-08-06 19:21:17] Zyzz : Rado: i need Basic+ correct?
[2016-08-06 19:23:57] Rado : No
[2016-08-06 19:24:14] Rado : yiu need the plan that allows margin
[2016-08-06 19:24:25] Rado : my boy is a margin bot
[2016-08-06 19:24:40] Rado : I can set it up for you
[2016-08-06 19:24:55] Rado : a few hours will not give you anything
[2016-08-06 19:25:07] Rado : it makes only a few trades per week
[2016-08-06 19:25:42] Zyzz : Rado: could you help me set it up then?
[2016-08-06 19:26:00] Rado : Yes when I get back home
[2016-08-06 19:26:10] Rado : now in a restaurant:)
[2016-08-06 19:27:04] Zyzz : Rado: You got a twitter so i can get in touch with you?
[2016-08-06 19:27:22] Rado : Yes @hubavka
[2016-08-06 19:29:45] Zyzz : Rado: ok cool i followed you
[2016-08-06 19:39:56] bernx : I can't use profit from ETC trading till friday, right?
[2016-08-06 19:44:31] Tetsuo : true
[2016-08-06 19:45:49] Tetsuo : i shouldn´t drink more than a bottle of booze until midnight, right?
[2016-08-06 19:46:21] bernx : Sounds like plan
[2016-08-06 19:46:25] Chimpindeed : Thats the rule
[2016-08-06 19:46:36] Chimpindeed : Unless youre with someone
[2016-08-06 19:56:55] Tetsuo : Why would i share my booze with anyone?
[2016-08-06 19:58:34] Chimpindeed : Cause they are sharing with you.....? nah
[2016-08-06 20:26:33] tradewiz : guys, I am sad to see the large liquidation on the 30th Sep contract. I think we should all try to take that away. We need the Bitmex platform going forward (and management knows my and @ethercapital 's view on why we should keep the forwards)... I am happy to take about half of it but more close to spot if someone else would take the rest. Needless to say if we bought it out "withheld profit" could not be adjusted, I dont want to "pay" for other peoples over leverage.... let me know, the admins here have my email addresses for the two accounts I have please feel free to contact me. @bitmexarthur #weneedbitmex
[2016-08-06 20:44:47] rapidtrades : wat
[2016-08-06 20:44:54] rapidtrades : is that a srs post ^^^
[2016-08-06 20:46:17] habibi : :D
[2016-08-06 20:46:39] habibi : u forgot about #NoDpeMatters tag
[2016-08-06 20:57:16] rapidtrades : did anyone get an email about bitfinex scheme they just announced
[2016-08-06 20:58:57] rapidtrades : lot of doubt in the twittereverse about the scheme
[2016-08-06 20:59:10] rapidtrades : America will likely bring the hammer
[2016-08-06 21:01:03] rapidtrades : i'm thinking they're avoiding email anything that could be legally binding
[2016-08-06 21:01:12] rapidtrades : cos it's in writing
[2016-08-06 21:05:15] rapidtrades : glad u all agree with my thinking
[2016-08-06 21:16:20] tradewiz : rapidtrades: I did not get an email but I did see it on the update page of Bitfinex
[2016-08-06 21:18:20] ethercapital : https://www.bitfinex.com/stats
[2016-08-06 21:25:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 39 @ 585.92
[2016-08-06 21:36:04] TheMightyX : well lack of liquidity here has F'd me
[2016-08-06 21:36:25] TheMightyX : honestly they should not offer margin trading on pairs that they don't have the liquidity to support
[2016-08-06 21:36:33] Zyzz : like?
[2016-08-06 21:36:34] habibi : its called market maker fuckin with people here :)
[2016-08-06 21:38:02] TheMightyX : my fault for ignoring weak support for ETC7D i guess
[2016-08-06 21:40:52] ethercapital : TheMightyX: the guys behind this put a lot of effort in it, but some contracts still needs some refinement. Almost all longs, on any derivative or leveraged exchange, got stopped out on the bitfinex news...
[2016-08-06 21:41:27] ethercapital : but hey, lets try to be positive. crypto currencies is the only true free market in the world. trading with leverage will always have its risks
[2016-08-06 21:57:04] Rado : ethercapital: totally agree
[2016-08-06 22:40:40] Bitcoingirl : Bitmex > bitfinex
[2016-08-06 22:41:17] ethercapital : rado: thnx. Slightly not happy with that any Bitmex people has answered on the liquidated short or other comments. We need to work not only to get Bitmex improving their services but currencies not influcted by sad gouverments rule the world.
[2016-08-06 22:42:27] ethercap : In order to do that we need very functional derivate markets
[2016-08-06 22:51:47] ethercap : and that we know our placings. That bitfinex is considering making this a "total pct loss" I hope is far from the truth. With the capital backing they had (at least publically) for their lending markets the "shared" loss is not bullish.Its about time that things get sorted in the correct order in my opinion.
[2016-08-06 23:12:03] ctpact : hey can anyone tell me why my position was liquidated at 631$ price if price never was there?..
[2016-08-06 23:14:38] ctpact : for the record http://screencast.com/t/plPkPxxI
[2016-08-06 23:15:04] ctpact : are u guys try to scaming me?
[2016-08-06 23:15:05] habibi : mark price =/ price
[2016-08-06 23:15:27] ctpact : my price was 607 lol
[2016-08-06 23:15:36] ctpact : now is 611
[2016-08-06 23:15:55] habibi : mark price is what u should look for young bitmexer
[2016-08-06 23:16:12] ctpact : what?
[2016-08-06 23:16:23] habibi : https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking
[2016-08-06 23:16:32] ctpact : tell me when the price was 631 lol
[2016-08-06 23:16:44] habibi : now its 633 :)
[2016-08-06 23:16:59] ctpact : https://www.coinigy.com/s/i/57a66fde/
[2016-08-06 23:17:06] Rado : ctpact: liquidations are based on mark price not trade price
[2016-08-06 23:17:23] ctpact : im not on x50 meh
[2016-08-06 23:17:26] Rado : the reason this is done so there can not be manupilation of the trading price to force liquidations
[2016-08-06 23:17:47] Rado : you can read in the documentation how mark price is calculated
[2016-08-06 23:17:58] Rado : sometimes it sucks
[2016-08-06 23:18:15] ctpact : be teq lajat qko
[2016-08-06 23:18:31] Rado : but let me give you another perspective. I was long from 595 and wanted to sell. All I could get is 611. I wish I could sell for 631
[2016-08-06 23:18:50] Rado : ne lyjat
[2016-08-06 23:19:01] Rado : taka raboti
[2016-08-06 23:19:09] ctpact : e kaji mi na charta kyde vijdash 631
[2016-08-06 23:19:13] Rado : kolko zagubi?
[2016-08-06 23:19:19] ctpact : tuka rabotim na chart
[2016-08-06 23:19:32] Rado : chart e na trade price
[2016-08-06 23:19:49] ctpact : e kak se tyrguva ko ne na trade
[2016-08-06 23:19:54] ctpact : na magiq li :)
[2016-08-06 23:20:22] Rado : ami malko e slojno, no procheti poveche i shte razberesh zashto e taka
[2016-08-06 23:20:44] ctpact : ok nz ne e mnogo zagubata ne e problem vyprosa e che shtom ne se vjda na charta za kakvo izobshto i kak se tyrguva :D
[2016-08-06 23:20:49] Rado : ako tradevash XBTUSD niama da imash takiva problemi
[2016-08-06 23:21:23] ctpact : XBTUSD nqma oficialen chart w tradngview
[2016-08-06 23:21:33] ctpact : ima samo tova laino U16
[2016-08-06 23:21:40] Rado : vij order book sega
[2016-08-06 23:21:50] Rado : ima 62024 contract na 622.55
[2016-08-06 23:22:06] Rado : tova syshto e liquidation
[2016-08-06 23:22:16] Rado : vypreki che cenata ne e stignala 622.55
[2016-08-06 23:23:14] Rado : V Bulgaria li si ili niakyde drugade?
[2016-08-06 23:23:19] ctpact : http://screencast.com/t/njRuVP4c3N1
[2016-08-06 23:23:23] ctpact : orderbook
[2016-08-06 23:23:30] ctpact : 320 ima wall
[2016-08-06 23:23:37] ctpact : 620 sorry
[2016-08-06 23:23:59] ctpact : kak mi se likvidira poziciqta na margin na 631 :D
[2016-08-06 23:24:14] ctpact : w bg
[2016-08-06 23:24:28] Rado : zashtoto niamash dostatychno margin
[2016-08-06 23:24:42] Rado : triabvashe da kupish po malko contracts
[2016-08-06 23:24:50] ctpact : ok nz chakam tradingview da pusnat XBTUSD
[2016-08-06 23:25:11] Rado : otnovo mark price se kachi na $631 ne trade price
[2016-08-06 23:25:20] ctpact : az ne gi puskam bota si gi pra
[2016-08-06 23:25:29] Rado : I see
[2016-08-06 23:25:33] Rado : ot koi grad si?
[2016-08-06 23:25:36] ctpact : no teq pravila ne sme gi chuvali tuk
[2016-08-06 23:28:02] Rado : ctpact: XBTU16 is quanto
[2016-08-06 23:28:04] Rado : https://www.bitmex.com/app/quantoVsInverse
[2016-08-06 23:30:02] ctpact : where is official tradingview feed of XBTUSD in tradingview site? what is symbol there I can find proper chart there?
[2016-08-06 23:30:48] ctpact : as charting on your site is so cut by instruments
[2016-08-06 23:32:35] ctpact : anyone?
[2016-08-06 23:37:42] ctpact : XBTU16 actual coinigy chart dont show me my liqudation price lol https://www.coinigy.com/s/i/57a6744b/
[2016-08-06 23:38:28] ctpact : so I need some explanation
[2016-08-06 23:38:50] Tetsuo : ctpact: u got rekt --> that´s fact
[2016-08-06 23:39:05] Tetsuo : no need for further explanation
[2016-08-06 23:39:39] ctpact : sure no biggy but if I want another try I must know the rules no?
[2016-08-06 23:39:55] ctpact : socI see the chart this what I going for live
[2016-08-06 23:40:01] Tetsuo : maybe : - D; anyway i´m too drunk to explain
[2016-08-06 23:40:31] ctpact : I can read the charts very well
[2016-08-06 23:40:41] ctpact : as I do it from around 15 years
[2016-08-06 23:41:05] ctpact : so u tell me where on the chart u see this 631 price
[2016-08-06 23:41:29] ctpact : not a problem my 0.2 btc :D
[2016-08-06 23:41:33] Rado : ctpact: send an email to support. They will give you logs of your trades and explanation
[2016-08-06 23:42:50] ctpact : i trade on charts if something is not marked on the chart I dont trade at all ...
[2016-08-06 23:45:16] ctpact : Rado no need to send any email just will avoid it next time
[2016-08-06 23:49:54] Tetsuo : liquidation happens on mark price not index price , they are both shown between the sell and buy side in the orderbook
[2016-08-07 00:16:30] Rado : is the XBT spot still 50% OKCOin and 50% Bitstamp?
[2016-08-07 00:17:06] zanza : wow ETC just mooned
[2016-08-07 00:18:19] jesperf : eww
[2016-08-07 00:18:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 582 @ 590.48
[2016-08-07 00:19:14] jesperf : zanza: that's no moon
[2016-08-07 00:19:17] Rado : zanza: huh?
[2016-08-07 00:19:23] jesperf : that's just shitty polo charts
[2016-08-07 00:19:44] Rado : .0045 on polo
[2016-08-07 00:20:19] jesperf : look out below
[2016-08-07 00:37:12] ctpact : Tetsuo: show me this prices on charts not on theories, if u so drunk we can continue tomorrow no problem
[2016-08-07 00:41:49] ctpact : I am pro equity trader from many years but execution of trade with price not marked on the chart... meeh this is so fishy
[2016-08-07 00:48:40] BitMEX_Greg : ctpact: Can i help?
[2016-08-07 01:16:02] willybot : BitMEX_Greg: We are in desperate need of liquidity
[2016-08-07 01:16:50] BitMEX_Greg : What product are you referring to?
[2016-08-07 01:17:21] willybot : BitMEX_Greg: ETC7D
[2016-08-07 01:19:45] BitMEX_Greg : I'll check with the MM. Seems like he's still quoting,
[2016-08-07 01:20:27] ctpact : BitMEX_Greg: go back and see my post no need to repeat my self again
[2016-08-07 01:20:57] willybot : Since the 5th we have dropped off and are 3000 sats behind Polo spot.
[2016-08-07 01:24:15] BitMEX_Greg : ctpact: I see you posted a photo about your liquidation and you don't see it on the chart. The price you see is the bankruptcy price. Your short position is liquidated when the mark price moves up your liquidation price
[2016-08-07 01:25:26] ctpact : my liqidation price was 631 this price was never appear here..at the time prof liquidation price was exact 611
[2016-08-07 01:25:37] ctpact : whatever.. leson learnd
[2016-08-07 01:26:06] aethlios : change et7d to swap
[2016-08-07 01:27:12] willybot : As soon as the market loses peg, traders lose confidence and will hesitate to participate.
[2016-08-07 01:28:39] ctpact : im mad coz i was liquidated ot price far away from what real one was
[2016-08-07 01:28:54] BitMEX_Greg : ctpact: Traded price isn't the same as mark price. We mark positions to mark price rather than last traded price to avoid unnecessary liquidations. Please read https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking
[2016-08-07 01:29:21] ctpact : haha ok
[2016-08-07 01:29:22] BitMEX_Greg : The mark price for XBTU16 right now is 633.29
[2016-08-07 01:30:00] ctpact : where? On the chart I see 627 lol
[2016-08-07 01:30:07] ctpact : am I blind or what
[2016-08-07 01:30:38] BitMEX_Greg : That is last price.
[2016-08-07 01:30:41] ctpact : show me where you read this charts
[2016-08-07 01:30:57] BitMEX_Greg : Under contract details on the left side, you will see last price, index price, and mark price
[2016-08-07 01:30:58] ctpact : I see charts on tredingview and on coinigy
[2016-08-07 01:31:43] ctpact : man you must shome me on the chart! we traders trade on charts not on fairy tales
[2016-08-07 01:32:14] ctpact : I was liquidated on 611!!
[2016-08-07 01:32:25] Tetsuo : it´s a hidden chrt only available for VIP traders
[2016-08-07 01:32:37] ctpact : i have screenshot of it why you tell me price was 631
[2016-08-07 01:32:38] BitMEX_Greg : Please take a read of the link I sent you
[2016-08-07 01:32:53] ctpact : lol just lol
[2016-08-07 01:32:56] BitMEX_Greg : Mark Price does not equal Last Traded Price
[2016-08-07 01:33:17] Tetsuo : on my secret VIP chart i can clearly see that price went over 631
[2016-08-07 01:33:45] ctpact : im not for my loss , I just ont to know how your waird index appear so late or whatever
[2016-08-07 01:34:40] ctpact : and @BitMEX_Greg where is your XBTUSD on tradingview?
[2016-08-07 01:34:43] BitMEX_Greg : Best thing to do is read the documentation, so you understand how prices and positions are marked
[2016-08-07 01:35:16] ctpact : we trade on charts not on documentations
[2016-08-07 01:35:47] BitMEX_Greg : ctpact: Tradingview has stopped implementing charts for Crypto assets for the time being, and we launched the product after the timeline. We are in discussion with their team for us to list.
[2016-08-07 01:36:18] BitMEX_Greg : You can always play around on testnet.bitmex.com if you want to understand how the market works without reading the documentation.
[2016-08-07 01:37:00] ctpact : oh I contact them already ... i know all what they say
[2016-08-07 01:37:29] ctpact : I am pro trader and belive me I never ever see your system
[2016-08-07 01:37:43] ctpact : optin trader mostly
[2016-08-07 01:37:49] habibi : famous last words
[2016-08-07 01:38:15] ctpact : but never see price executing without any chaty move
[2016-08-07 01:38:21] ctpact : sure
[2016-08-07 01:38:53] willybot : This is crypto bro.
[2016-08-07 01:39:09] ctpact : ok thats all was nice to chat
[2016-08-07 01:39:10] BitMEX_Greg : ctpact: I am unsure what to tell you if you are unwilling to understand how the contracts and system works
[2016-08-07 01:39:14] habibi : this platform is literally saying to every new comer to take a look at specification/rules and stuff here and ur excuse is that u are pro trader? thats why u didnt read anything?
[2016-08-07 01:39:21] BitMEX_Greg : You are welcome to submit a support ticket if you life
[2016-08-07 01:39:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETC7D`: Buy 240 @ 0.004462
[2016-08-07 01:39:39] ctpact : nope no need anything more thanks
[2016-08-07 02:02:08] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Greg: i can still pull up crypto charts on TV
[2016-08-07 02:06:33] BitMEX_Greg : They still have some from before they made the rule. But they temporarily stopped new symbols. When we switched from the 24H contract to the swap it was past when they implemented the rule unfortunately
[2016-08-07 02:07:30] zanza : ctpact: is this XBTU16?
[2016-08-07 02:07:49] zanza : rapidtrades: what do you think of BitFinex news?
[2016-08-07 02:32:58] algomaspur : I think history repeats itself nothing new under the sun.
[2016-08-07 04:09:00] willybot : Can someone explain the outrageous difference in Bitmex and polo price on ETC7D?
[2016-08-07 04:19:28] TheMightyX : ETC 450 on Polo, 411 here?
[2016-08-07 04:20:38] willybot : Yes. I cant trade when the MM is taking the piss like that
[2016-08-07 04:20:46] TheMightyX : If this is the second time I get liquidated on Bitmex because of horrible liquidity I wont be using this site ever again
[2016-08-07 04:21:13] TheMightyX : the ETC/BTC pair shouldn't be offered if it can't be supported
[2016-08-07 04:23:42] willybot : I started spreading the word and getting others involved but I think I spoke too soon.
[2016-08-07 04:54:19] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 105 @ 0.003998
[2016-08-07 04:54:19] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 508 @ 0.003983
[2016-08-07 04:54:19] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 20 @ 0.003898
[2016-08-07 04:54:19] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 300 @ 0.003834
[2016-08-07 04:54:19] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 50 @ 0.003841
[2016-08-07 04:54:19] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 10000 @ 0.004014
[2016-08-07 04:54:19] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 100 @ 0.003745
[2016-08-07 04:54:19] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 16022 @ 0.003906
[2016-08-07 04:54:19] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 1 @ 0.003895 :punch: :whale:
[2016-08-07 04:54:19] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 1000 @ 0.003771
[2016-08-07 04:54:19] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETC7D`: Sell 520 @ 0.004022
[2016-08-07 04:57:41] willybot : Couldn't reduce a position size. Due to no liquidity. Marker makers forced this.
[2016-08-07 04:58:59] bernx : lo wtf is happen
[2016-08-07 04:59:05] willybot : What a joke
[2016-08-07 05:02:28] willybot : So is this how bitmex make their money? They run the market maker and squeeze traders out. Do one of you guys wanna step in and explain this?
[2016-08-07 05:04:25] Tetsuo : ETC hacked and robbed?
[2016-08-07 05:04:36] zanza : ETC is a future, not a spot price
[2016-08-07 05:05:36] willybot : That I am aware of. I have been watching the market maker abuse this system for 3 days now
[2016-08-07 05:05:57] willybot : Where is the support link
[2016-08-07 05:07:18] Tetsuo : support doesn´t work on sundays
[2016-08-07 05:07:18] zanza : willy you can adjust your leverage / Margin allocated in real time
[2016-08-07 05:07:44] zanza : so you can change your liquidation price if that want
[2016-08-07 05:08:05] willybot : zanza: I was doing so.
[2016-08-07 05:09:03] bernx : looks like it was bfx
[2016-08-07 05:09:19] miramm1115 : there is only one MM on etc7d and almost zero traders who post limit orders, so MM can do whatever he wants
[2016-08-07 05:09:59] bernx : miramm1115: about what you talk?
[2016-08-07 05:10:11] miramm1115 : using anything higher than 3x on ETC is playing with fire
[2016-08-07 05:10:26] miramm1115 : bernx: talking about ETC here on BitMEX
[2016-08-07 05:10:46] bernx : there was big drop on Polo
[2016-08-07 05:10:57] zanza : Fair Market pricing should prevent manipulations
[2016-08-07 05:11:02] bernx : if someone play with x10
[2016-08-07 05:11:15] bernx : they need just add same amount to margin
[2016-08-07 05:11:37] miramm1115 : ETC here was trading much lower than polo for the last few days
[2016-08-07 05:12:04] willybot : So who operated the MM bot?
[2016-08-07 05:12:25] miramm1115 : not me, I don't do ETC
[2016-08-07 05:12:25] willybot : The mod said the other day "he will check with the MM"
[2016-08-07 05:13:08] zanza : anyone can be MM if they want
[2016-08-07 05:13:22] miramm1115 : and have enough money :-)
[2016-08-07 05:13:51] zanza : ETC expires in 7 days, so it shouldn' tracking spot
[2016-08-07 05:15:13] bernx : wtf this dop?
[2016-08-07 05:16:06] zanza : its ETC, thats what i does
[2016-08-07 05:19:05] miramm1115 : zanza: I'm not saying that MM is manipulating ETC to liquidate people, I'm just saying that's very easy to do with impact mid pricing and very low liquidity
[2016-08-07 05:20:07] zanza : ETC was like .046 like an hour ago
[2016-08-07 05:20:13] willybot : I am directly saying the MM was manipulating to liquidate.
[2016-08-07 05:21:10] zanza : spot price dropped from like 46 to 39 on Polo
[2016-08-07 05:21:36] miramm1115 : when MM removes his quotes, liquidity goes to almost zero on one side and everyone with high leverage is liquidated
[2016-08-07 05:21:37] zanza : looks like ETC hit .036
[2016-08-07 05:21:51] lockhedge : miramm1115: what do you think about the proposed finex deal?
[2016-08-07 05:21:55] willybot : If you cant see what they just did your blind
[2016-08-07 05:22:29] zanza : if you got liquidated using 10x on a cryptocoin that literally does 60% price swings
[2016-08-07 05:22:35] willybot : Smart traders could not exit even as we saw it happening in advance
[2016-08-07 05:22:38] zanza : i dont think you can complain much
[2016-08-07 05:23:54] willybot : The MM removed his buy side and squeezed the longs. There was no exit even from 44.
[2016-08-07 05:24:05] TheMightyX : wow
[2016-08-07 05:24:08] miramm1115 : lockhedge: finex is probably doing deals with big fish right now to avoid being sued to oblivion. in the end they will compensate big USD holders and all little fish will be screwed
[2016-08-07 05:24:50] willybot : and now that hes flushed the books take a look at the buy side. Just amazing
[2016-08-07 05:26:07] miramm1115 : it's ridiculous that bitcoiners are happy to accept 36% haircut on all their holdings with finex putting zero of their own money @lockhedge
[2016-08-07 05:27:15] bernx : etc buy spport 3400
[2016-08-07 05:27:21] miramm1115 : I'm not even talking about legality of this solution. Basically majority of bitcoiners are saying "please steal from us, we will not sue because we are afraid of lawyers"
[2016-08-07 05:28:46] zanza : willybot: ETC7D is not a spot market, I think you are trying to play it like a spot. You can try the perpetual contracts if you want to do spot trading (ETH/XBT)
[2016-08-07 05:29:38] zanza : those will closely mirror the spot price, the ETC7D trades on the predicted spot price next Friday
[2016-08-07 05:30:14] zanza : speaking of which, I wonder why they didn't make the ETC contract perpetual ?
[2016-08-07 05:30:35] zanza : miramm1115: did they say if they are giving haircut to USD accounts ?
[2016-08-07 05:30:48] TheMightyX : it says all accounts will be generalized
[2016-08-07 05:31:00] TheMightyX : obviously they need to liquidate all assets to come up with the 36% figure
[2016-08-07 05:31:03] zanza : I would just take what I could get, and withdrawal asap
[2016-08-07 05:31:05] miramm1115 : zanza: no way for MM to hedge long exposure on ETC swap without polo margin
[2016-08-07 05:31:11] lockhedge : miramm1115: completely agree that they should first use the group's capital to compensate these losses. their token's might be worthless
[2016-08-07 05:31:44] TheMightyX : I've now taken 3 substantial hits
[2016-08-07 05:31:47] willybot : zanza: Im aware of what I was trading. My issue is the MM taking the piss
[2016-08-07 05:32:00] zanza : MM isn't required to do you any favors :)
[2016-08-07 05:32:13] zanza : they look out for themselves only
[2016-08-07 05:32:14] willybot : I could not exit or reduce as they removed all buy orders
[2016-08-07 05:32:24] lockhedge : these tokens only involve iFinex Inc. (not BFXNA Inc. and Bitfinex Limited) and they might just virtually increase the capital with these tokens
[2016-08-07 05:32:31] TheMightyX : 1 due to Bitfinex losing my funds (although I hope to be repaid), the second for the price damage as a result of the hack, and thirdly due to forced liquidation far below market price
[2016-08-07 05:32:32] zanza : anyone know why you weren't able to reduce? I never tried it
[2016-08-07 05:33:20] TheMightyX : zanza: sorry, I haven't tried that either
[2016-08-07 05:33:21] zanza : Why did you trade on Finex, and not here TheMightyX ?
[2016-08-07 05:33:23] miramm1115 : lockhedge: their tokens will be worthless. our lawyer is already preparing cease and desist letter and we didn't even had that much USD their. I can imagine the shitstorm from big fish lawyers on Mondays
[2016-08-07 05:33:40] TheMightyX : because bitfinex was the first site I found out had margin trading for ETC
[2016-08-07 05:33:44] TheMightyX : and their liquidity is much higher
[2016-08-07 05:33:44] miramm1115 : *USD there, stupid autocorrect
[2016-08-07 05:34:36] zanza : are ETC balanced lost?
[2016-08-07 05:34:40] TheMightyX : at least on Bitfinex I could close positions without taking a considerable hit as I did here
[2016-08-07 05:34:50] TheMightyX : zanza: they said only BTC affected (stolen)
[2016-08-07 05:35:03] zanza : yeah, but are the pooling ALL accounts loss?
[2016-08-07 05:35:12] miramm1115 : zanza: only BTC was stolen but all assets will get 36% haircut
[2016-08-07 05:35:15] TheMightyX : yes
[2016-08-07 05:35:18] zanza : wow
[2016-08-07 05:35:25] TheMightyX : yes, but its not as bad as it sounds
[2016-08-07 05:35:25] zanza : they will lose their USD bank ties for sure
[2016-08-07 05:35:33] TheMightyX : no its not permanent haircut
[2016-08-07 05:35:40] miramm1115 : by law they can't treat USD the same as crypto
[2016-08-07 05:35:42] TheMightyX : they 'intend' to pay back everyone in full
[2016-08-07 05:35:58] TheMightyX : the haircut is a shortterm measure to get the site back up and running
[2016-08-07 05:36:02] zanza : didn't Mark Karpales say that ?
[2016-08-07 05:36:11] TheMightyX : ugh please... some positivity
[2016-08-07 05:36:17] zanza : sry bro
[2016-08-07 05:36:20] miramm1115 : crypto is not money in most jurisdictions but USD is
[2016-08-07 05:36:27] TheMightyX : Not only did I lose my very favorable open position there, I lost my base 8.3 BTC
[2016-08-07 05:36:44] zanza : u should get like 5 back ?
[2016-08-07 05:36:55] TheMightyX : i had an open position, it was so good... When i went to liquidate it at .006 I was so happy
[2016-08-07 05:37:16] TheMightyX : for all of 2 minutes after I woke up and checked price, I was so happy XD
[2016-08-07 05:37:36] Tetsuo : TheMightyX: at least you had 2 lucky minutes
[2016-08-07 05:37:57] TheMightyX : yea, i suppose
[2016-08-07 05:38:02] Spofas : willybot: you can always market make urself
[2016-08-07 05:38:10] TheMightyX : unfortunately they are pegging prices at market several hours before it skyrocketed
[2016-08-07 05:38:14] zanza : yes, - fees
[2016-08-07 05:38:40] willybot : Yeah sorry but after that I dont trust this exchange to sit 100btc on. Thanks
[2016-08-07 05:39:02] willybot : I was testing this place for a good month first but Ive seen all I need
[2016-08-07 05:39:20] TheMightyX : willybot: yea they need to scale back a bit until liquidity is higher I think
[2016-08-07 05:39:55] willybot : TheMightyX: I suspect they may operate the bot
[2016-08-07 05:40:01] Spofas : i mean, you should be sizing ur positions acording to existing liquidty imo
[2016-08-07 05:40:20] TheMightyX : Spofas: i was, the difference was always 10-15
[2016-08-07 05:40:30] willybot : Spofas: I was a few days ago and then the MM just decided to remove the buy side
[2016-08-07 05:40:36] TheMightyX : but during crash the difference in price between here and polo was 50-60
[2016-08-07 05:40:44] willybot : I couldnt even cash out on last nights rise
[2016-08-07 05:41:06] willybot : They saw me coming im not an idiot.
[2016-08-07 05:41:22] zanza : why weren't you able to change your Margin % ?
[2016-08-07 05:41:27] Spofas : ya etc has been trading under spot since last settlement
[2016-08-07 05:41:31] zanza : Liq Price
[2016-08-07 05:41:58] willybot : ETC has been trading like this after I entered a large position.
[2016-08-07 05:42:30] willybot : The internals didnt want me cashing out on them
[2016-08-07 05:42:42] lockhedge : miramm1115: it's interesting that they do not mention BFXNA Inc. in their statement (the company for US customers), it's possible that US customers will not be affected because they fear US regulators
[2016-08-07 05:43:19] zanza : yeah, I think they will release USD in full
[2016-08-07 05:43:28] zanza : for US accounts i mean, then everyone else = haircut
[2016-08-07 05:44:12] miramm1115 : lockhedge: more than likely, they cannot touch USD of US account holders without big repercussions
[2016-08-07 05:45:10] Rado : I read that 36% is the loss
[2016-08-07 05:45:20] Rado : i thought it was 64
[2016-08-07 05:45:32] Rado : which one is it?
[2016-08-07 05:45:32] ersagun : that was a gossip
[2016-08-07 05:45:39] ersagun : 36% is loss
[2016-08-07 05:45:49] Rado : Pfew
[2016-08-07 05:45:59] zanza : 64% of Bitcoin
[2016-08-07 05:46:07] Rado : that's at least some good news
[2016-08-07 05:46:10] zanza : which apparently equals 36% of BTC, ETH, ETC, and Fiat
[2016-08-07 05:46:40] Rado : this is good for me because I had mostly BTC
[2016-08-07 05:46:46] ersagun : I'm still waiting for them to announce the "cut-off" time for deposits made during the hack day as 30% of my total crypto portfolio is still sitting in my deposit address
[2016-08-07 05:47:39] lockhedge : Rado: "After much thought, analysis, and consultation, we have arrived at the conclusion that losses must be generalized across all accounts and assets. This is the closest approximation to what would happen in a liquidation context. Upon logging into the platform, customers will see that they have experienced a generalized loss percentage of 36.067%."
[2016-08-07 05:47:43] lockhedge : https://www.bitfinex.com
[2016-08-07 05:48:16] Rado : lockhedge: thanks
[2016-08-07 05:49:00] miramm1115 : Rado: I'm very interested to hear your reasoning that it's good news. Let say you deposited your money to your bank and they said: sorry we got robbed, 64% of your funds are gone and we will do shit to compensate you. Few days later they said, ok, only 36% of your money is lost but we will still do nothing to compensate you. And you are happy?
[2016-08-07 05:49:36] zanza : the first case, ONLY BTC customers affected
[2016-08-07 05:50:07] Rado : miramm1115: They might issue token for the 36% loss
[2016-08-07 05:50:09] lockhedge : their first plan was insane
[2016-08-07 05:50:19] Rado : later you might be able to redeem it
[2016-08-07 05:50:33] Rado : i said the good news was for me not everyone
[2016-08-07 05:50:43] ersagun : The thing is, you shouldn't compare Bitfinex to Deutsche Bank
[2016-08-07 05:50:52] Rado : I prefer 36 rather than 64
[2016-08-07 05:50:55] Rado : loss
[2016-08-07 05:51:06] Rado : since all my funds were in BTC
[2016-08-07 05:51:11] zanza : ^ lol
[2016-08-07 05:51:44] lockhedge : Rado: it's still insane that they plan not using any of the group's profits to compensate customers
[2016-08-07 05:52:10] miramm1115 : you don't even know anything except the made up numbers they tell you. where independent audit of the finances? where is the confirmation that the stolen money don't end up in pgp pocket?
[2016-08-07 05:52:11] Rado : Agree