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[2016-07-17 12:32:18] jung1 : would be awesome if price will drop to like 500
[2016-07-17 12:34:26] mrp1nk : i see you're short ^^
[2016-07-17 12:35:16] justinlooking : or not long enough :/
[2016-07-17 12:36:24] aethlios : west buying, china follows
[2016-07-17 12:37:15] jung1 : ;)
[2016-07-17 12:37:52] mrp1nk : is this your ask?
[2016-07-17 12:37:59] rullwull : china may dump soon
[2016-07-17 12:38:22] zanza : or buy :)
[2016-07-17 12:39:01] justinlooking : i suspect johndoe
[2016-07-17 12:39:08] justinlooking : taking profit on long
[2016-07-17 12:39:33] Roevenger : yeah, too many fast ups and down
[2016-07-17 12:40:14] Roevenger : pro stuff, keeping the candle in range and low volume
[2016-07-17 12:43:49] subjective : BTC break out confirmed?
[2016-07-17 12:44:13] mrp1nk : no
[2016-07-17 12:44:27] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1500 @ 670.36
[2016-07-17 12:44:35] justinlooking : bit early for that
[2016-07-17 12:44:59] subjective : REKT bot is moving on, probably lots of liquidation soon.
[2016-07-17 12:45:41] jung1 : long time no see
[2016-07-17 12:45:54] jung1 : rekt bot was more active back in the days
[2016-07-17 12:46:23] justinlooking : he feeds on volatility..
[2016-07-17 12:46:25] rullwull : bfx price riches 50% fib, could be the end of the wave up
[2016-07-17 12:51:32] justinlooking : itbit has 750 @ 666
[2016-07-17 12:52:12] jung1 : https://news.bitcoin.com/preserving-markets-bitcoin-price/
[2016-07-17 12:52:31] subjective : rullwull: BFX has some nice green candles
[2016-07-17 13:03:26] rullwull : subjective: daily looks down
[2016-07-17 13:06:23] subjective : rullwull: isn't moving avg going to cross on daily pretty soon?
[2016-07-17 13:07:41] subjective : Also next funding rate in 15h looks bullish
[2016-07-17 13:08:29] rullwull : i count EW and we are in low on daily
[2016-07-17 13:11:25] rullwull : previous fundings were bearish however the price was rising
[2016-07-17 13:27:27] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 633 @ 671.28
[2016-07-17 13:33:24] jung1 : 666 comming
[2016-07-17 13:46:44] jung1 : http://imgur.com/fkAGYq7
[2016-07-17 13:52:44] rullwull : weekly is in high, don't think its over, by my EW counting its currently abc retracement on daily, w2 is coming soon @jung1
[2016-07-17 14:53:22] jung1 : ime there will be pump
[2016-07-17 14:53:24] jung1 : People will convert from Eth to Btc to protect themselves from any screw ups that may occur cause of the HF on Wednesday
[2016-07-17 15:23:45] jung1 : http://www.techrepublic.com/article/review-down-the-deep-dark-web-is-a-movie-every-technologist-should-watch/
[2016-07-17 15:50:07] fineregex : jung1: dont you think it is priced in already
[2016-07-17 15:50:47] fineregex : jung1: and calm buying/rising on july20?
[2016-07-17 16:11:12] fineregex : remember the dump minutes before the halving. now that the hard fork code is set this event is similarily boring/expected and the inverse may happen again?
[2016-07-17 16:17:27] mrp1nk : nah, can't compare that
[2016-07-17 16:17:34] mrp1nk : eth hf could end really messy
[2016-07-17 16:17:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 250 @ 671.44
[2016-07-17 16:17:50] macios15 : rekt
[2016-07-17 16:17:59] macios15 : incomin
[2016-07-17 16:18:27] ax : what the fuck
[2016-07-17 16:18:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 15000 @ 673.63
[2016-07-17 16:19:02] ax : obviously after i closed my long this morning we pump
[2016-07-17 16:19:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 87525 @ 675.57 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-07-17 16:19:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBJ24H`: Buy 1140 @ 71209.0
[2016-07-17 16:22:22] REKT : Gentlemen, we have an eREKTion!
[2016-07-17 16:22:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 400 @ 0.01675
[2016-07-17 16:22:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 69500 @ 677.45 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-07-17 16:22:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1800 @ 679.45
[2016-07-17 16:22:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 120 @ 679.26
[2016-07-17 16:22:54] ax : god damned
[2016-07-17 16:23:09] HowDoge : well this is fun
[2016-07-17 16:23:17] ax : too late to buy now fml
[2016-07-17 16:23:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 990 @ 0.01653
[2016-07-17 16:23:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 175 @ 0.01666
[2016-07-17 16:23:49] Roevenger : what happened
[2016-07-17 16:24:02] Roevenger : I stop looking for 1 second and boom
[2016-07-17 16:25:45] macios15 : dpe for sure
[2016-07-17 16:26:28] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 99424 @ 683.56 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-07-17 16:26:28] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 47300 @ 683.89 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-07-17 16:27:05] Roevenger : sorry, what's dpe?
[2016-07-17 16:27:12] jesperf : seems like usa woke up and wanted to sell all the eth
[2016-07-17 16:27:34] jesperf : and buy all the bitcoin
[2016-07-17 16:28:53] lockhedge : still more than 200 BTC for sale at 667
[2016-07-17 16:28:57] lockhedge : https://tradeblock.com/markets/itbt/xbt-usd/1m/
[2016-07-17 16:30:35] jung1 : no 666? :(
[2016-07-17 16:30:55] jung1 : fineregex: possible
[2016-07-17 16:31:09] wow such volatility : good btc
[2016-07-17 16:32:24] ax : wow 300k sell
[2016-07-17 16:33:32] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-07-17 16:33:45] ax : holy shit
[2016-07-17 16:33:52] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : crazy
[2016-07-17 16:34:36] ax : well that was a good dump, filled my buy
[2016-07-17 16:35:55] aethlios : fat finger market dummy dump???
[2016-07-17 16:35:59] justinlooking : ty base dumper
[2016-07-17 16:42:37] Rado : what dump?
[2016-07-17 16:42:54] bernx : Sorry guys, just close my 120k long.
[2016-07-17 16:43:07] justinlooking : skillz
[2016-07-17 16:43:22] Rado : nice bernx
[2016-07-17 16:43:26] Rado : too early?
[2016-07-17 16:43:35] bernx : Too risky.
[2016-07-17 16:44:54] Rado : what is risky?
[2016-07-17 16:45:42] jung1 : bitcoin trading is risky
[2016-07-17 16:45:50] Rado : lol
[2016-07-17 16:46:03] ethercap : jung1: bitcoin trading is fun :)
[2016-07-17 16:46:08] ax : no risk atm tbh, we can only go up
[2016-07-17 16:46:40] rapidtrades : ^ LOL
[2016-07-17 16:47:02] Rado : so bernx had a position I assume around 650-660
[2016-07-17 16:47:08] Rado : he held and it wasn't risky then
[2016-07-17 16:47:21] Rado : when BTC shoots up to 690 is now risky
[2016-07-17 16:47:25] Rado : I don't get the logic
[2016-07-17 16:47:31] ax : ^^
[2016-07-17 16:47:33] Rado : I think is fear of losing profit
[2016-07-17 16:47:38] bernx : Miss button mate
[2016-07-17 16:47:50] bernx : Also play with 4BTC x50 so risky,
[2016-07-17 16:48:11] Rado : but it was way more risky when you entered the position
[2016-07-17 16:48:27] Rado : when it's up is less risky to hold it
[2016-07-17 16:48:40] Rado : anyway
[2016-07-17 16:48:42] bernx : Mate play with our own. I do what I wanna do and this is not reason to talk with it.
[2016-07-17 16:48:54] Rado : sup rapidtrades
[2016-07-17 16:49:40] Skitrx : this is why he sold :D superdump
[2016-07-17 16:50:16] ax : minidump
[2016-07-17 16:50:38] Rado : I don't see the dump
[2016-07-17 16:50:58] Skitrx : hmm just a small one by china it turns out
[2016-07-17 16:51:05] Skitrx : nice recovery
[2016-07-17 16:51:46] ax : it's just a chinese bot bug, the bots put 3k walls back already
[2016-07-17 16:51:52] ax : fake dump
[2016-07-17 16:52:07] bernx : Where you see this wall?
[2016-07-17 16:52:19] bernx : Bitfinex lead this pump. so noone cares about china
[2016-07-17 16:52:33] bernx : ANd at BFX there is no wall.
[2016-07-17 16:52:42] ax : huobi "sold" down to 4505 and now 4520 has 3k already
[2016-07-17 16:53:03] bernx : Huobi price is 681
[2016-07-17 16:53:30] bernx : BFX 686. So there is just arbitrage @China
[2016-07-17 17:24:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTCXBT`: Sell 446 @ 0.00617
[2016-07-17 17:51:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 840 @ 71693.0
[2016-07-17 17:53:10] jung1 : http://i.imgur.com/ruGKety.png http://imgur.com/WfvUzUa
[2016-07-17 17:55:32] justinlooking : you think moon now jung1?
[2016-07-17 17:56:29] jung1 : hard to say but I dont feel like moon
[2016-07-17 17:56:39] jung1 : but everyone say that
[2016-07-17 17:56:52] jung1 : Im long
[2016-07-17 18:06:45] mrp1nk : what if i told you: told you
[2016-07-17 18:06:55] mrp1nk : xD
[2016-07-17 18:08:43] mrp1nk : wouldn't call moon unless 705-708 breaks on finex
[2016-07-17 18:08:55] mrp1nk : @ @justinlooking
[2016-07-17 18:09:43] justinlooking : yeh would be rude not to test 700-5 now
[2016-07-17 18:11:11] justinlooking : nice to see a few hundred btc of new positions in u16
[2016-07-17 18:13:38] bernx : Why everyone have different nickname color?
[2016-07-17 18:14:31] justinlooking : they're decided by an algo, like leaderboard names
[2016-07-17 18:22:04] odieoh : checking in to see what my color is
[2016-07-17 18:22:43] odieoh : would think mrp1nk would be. . well p1nker
[2016-07-17 18:24:50] jung1 : it depends on trollbox level
[2016-07-17 18:25:23] jung1 : you can earn points by posting links and make fun from rapidtrades
[2016-07-17 18:27:34] odieoh : Insulting rapidtrades levels me up faster?
[2016-07-17 18:29:18] jung1 : yes
[2016-07-17 18:30:24] mrp1nk : it's the fastest way to get green
[2016-07-17 18:31:28] odieoh : I suppose complimenting you two also earns me points?
[2016-07-17 18:32:19] justinlooking : mods don't give points for compliments. wtf u think this is
[2016-07-17 18:38:42] jung1 : I have something for you https://github.com/danpaquin/coinbase-gdax-python
[2016-07-17 18:48:18] bernx : Well seems like we would have to go aroun 680-675
[2016-07-17 18:49:50] mrp1nk : bernx: agree, talking bout finex spot
[2016-07-17 18:50:05] jung1 : 666
[2016-07-17 18:51:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 18 @ 0.01634
[2016-07-17 19:01:10] mrp1nk : 4590 res
[2016-07-17 19:05:17] bernx : Well
[2016-07-17 19:05:34] bernx : We need some rally from China or ggwp
[2016-07-17 19:28:53] 1QaZxSw2 : its above 666, this means sell
[2016-07-17 19:32:44] wotan : or buy more
[2016-07-17 19:55:54] bernx : Or it's mean nothing
[2016-07-17 20:22:49] Rado : Bull flag in lower volume
[2016-07-17 20:23:14] Rado : when done we should go up to 700-710
[2016-07-17 20:23:31] Rado : in = on
[2016-07-17 20:25:11] fineregex : Rado: why
[2016-07-17 20:30:02] Rado : Bull flag
[2016-07-17 20:30:14] Rado : that's how it works
[2016-07-17 20:30:31] Rado : if it does happen
[2016-07-17 20:32:32] fineregex : if what?
[2016-07-17 20:40:35] justinlooking : itbit got another 2k at 675
[2016-07-17 21:12:18] ethercap : Hi Bitmex admin, are you considering adding options? I saw the new options exchange opening here - www.deribit.com but they would need some futures liquidity to support their options market... Maybe you could look at some sort of co-operation and keep the forward futures market....
[2016-07-17 21:12:33] ethercap : (at bitmex)
[2016-07-17 21:14:53] 1QaZxSw2 : they already seem to have futures
[2016-07-17 21:15:09] 1QaZxSw2 : besides, bitmex is moving towards swap, which is more liquid
[2016-07-17 21:17:04] ethercap : 1QaZxSw2: I may disagree with Bitmex on that - I think the future is a combination where you get a proper time value for the optionality - especially with the current Bitmex swaps "premium/Discount" system. Combined will give the best liquidity in the longer term, and if you get option markets settling on the same index, or very similar, it can be fun going forward
[2016-07-17 21:17:36] ethercap : (Combined meaning both swaps and time based futures)
[2016-07-17 21:18:51] ethercap : Its the combination of a proper swap market, forward futures market and options market that together will take BTC trading to another financial trading level in my opinion
[2016-07-17 21:20:09] ethercap : it does not all have to be on one exchange but I do think its a mistake to discontinue with time based futures swaps, as the market "crowd" is different but if all parties are present things will be much more liquid
[2016-07-17 21:20:32] ethercap : that is just my humble opinion
[2016-07-17 21:21:12] 1QaZxSw2 : maybe when btc market is as big as 10% of legacy market
[2016-07-17 21:21:39] 1QaZxSw2 : right now, its tough to spread liquidity across 4 expiry dates
[2016-07-17 21:21:54] nip : anyone want to trade FCT?
[2016-07-17 21:22:06] 1QaZxSw2 : factom?
[2016-07-17 21:22:15] nip : yeah its fun to trade
[2016-07-17 21:22:20] nip : it moves fast
[2016-07-17 21:22:50] 1QaZxSw2 : altcoin traders only want the shiniest new coin
[2016-07-17 21:23:39] 1QaZxSw2 : fct is yesterdays 20 year old beauty, todays hag
[2016-07-17 21:24:17] ethercap : 1QaZxSw2: Yes you are probably right in the short term
[2016-07-17 21:24:29] 1QaZxSw2 : remember the huge buzz on lsk launch? nobody cares now
[2016-07-17 21:25:26] 1QaZxSw2 : bitmex did not create swap out of pure randomness. traders were complaining about liquidity, settlement, having to roll over, etc
[2016-07-17 21:25:57] ethercap : 1QaZxSw2: But we need to take a longer view on this - forward futures in an integral part of getting the BTC market forward in my opinion. Dont take me wrong I like the swap market of Bitmex (although I may not agree on the "funding" adjustments") but the combination of the two, and some market making, will create future growth in my opinion
[2016-07-17 21:25:57] 1QaZxSw2 : now if we had volume like ES, it would be easy to run two or 3 concurrent contracts with fixed expiry
[2016-07-17 21:26:55] ethercap : 1QaZxSw2: I am still old enough to remember when the Globex volume of ES was less than 50 contracts overnight.....
[2016-07-17 21:27:30] 1QaZxSw2 : ethercap: your point is good, but only valid when the btc market is larger. also many exchanges are now moving to expirationless contracts
[2016-07-17 21:27:56] 1QaZxSw2 : continuos settlement i guess is what they call it
[2016-07-17 21:28:36] 1QaZxSw2 : bitmex has swap, huobi has their unnamed product, coinpit has something similar to bitmex
[2016-07-17 21:30:34] 1QaZxSw2 : but yea, options on futures would be nice. i dont know there are a lot of options traders tho. most btc trading is spot/margin. futures is maybe 5%
[2016-07-17 21:30:54] 1QaZxSw2 : im guessing options traders would be 1%
[2016-07-17 21:31:01] ethercap : 1QaZxSw2: I dont think we disagree much, but I do think the BTC market is big enough to support more growth in the derivatives.
[2016-07-17 21:31:18] rapidtrades : if we go by volume futures is biggest market by far
[2016-07-17 21:31:22] rapidtrades : cos of the leverage
[2016-07-17 21:31:45] ethercap : rapidtrades: there is a lot of double accounting but I agree its a fair amount of volume
[2016-07-17 21:31:59] ethercap : rapidtrades: and mispricing which leads to more volume
[2016-07-17 21:32:16] 1QaZxSw2 : rapidtrades: notional value of derivatis is higher, but thats not really whats staked or traded
[2016-07-17 21:32:42] 1QaZxSw2 : the momemnt i make something 50x, i have taken it to almost 2 orders of magnitude
[2016-07-17 21:32:53] rapidtrades : ok just checked and past 24 hrs futures is only 40% of spot
[2016-07-17 21:32:58] ethercap : 1QaZxSw2: I really think that with a more functioning forward swap market a lot of other liqudiity will come
[2016-07-17 21:33:38] 1QaZxSw2 : the problem is liquidity is spread out over many small exchanges
[2016-07-17 21:33:43] rapidtrades : that's okc...not sure how much bitvc has
[2016-07-17 21:34:04] rapidtrades : 1QaZxSw2: not a problem unless ur trading YUUUUUGE
[2016-07-17 21:34:08] ethercap : I would be happy to provide some bids and offers - and with an option market in addition there could be plenty of opportunities. another thing I dont understand is why noone has offered a proper binary option market on btc (not where you can only buy) that should be popular
[2016-07-17 21:34:28] rapidtrades : becos binary options are dumb
[2016-07-17 21:34:34] 1QaZxSw2 : i think whaleclub offers it
[2016-07-17 21:35:02] 1QaZxSw2 : but it doesnt make sense. you bet .50 and win .45 when you are right and lose .50 when wrong
[2016-07-17 21:35:34] rapidtrades : that's pretty much binary options everywhere
[2016-07-17 21:35:38] rapidtrades : 90% payout
[2016-07-17 21:35:55] rapidtrades : u can't bear that edge
[2016-07-17 21:36:03] 1QaZxSw2 : right, i could bet on red at the roulette table and have better odds
[2016-07-17 21:36:37] 1QaZxSw2 : also you dont have control when to exit. its gambling pure and simple
[2016-07-17 21:36:39] ethercap : 1QaZxSw2: I have not seem whaleclubs offering but I am sure there would be some arb guys coming in if that was offered at the same platform as swaps and forward futures.. Will look at whaleclub now
[2016-07-17 21:37:09] ethercap : 1QaZxSw2: I am certainly not a big fan of binary options, except writing them
[2016-07-17 21:37:33] 1QaZxSw2 : all options are good for writing, they are designed so that most will expire worthless
[2016-07-17 21:38:03] 1QaZxSw2 : you only buy options as insurance, not to speculate. will never make money long term
[2016-07-17 21:39:20] rapidtrades : never?
[2016-07-17 21:39:41] 1QaZxSw2 : well you can, but for the average trader odds are against
[2016-07-17 21:39:59] ethercap : 1QaZxSw2: In general options have the odds of expiring "out of the money"
[2016-07-17 21:40:03] ethercap : I agree
[2016-07-17 21:40:12] ethercap : rapidtrades: but it depends on the makret
[2016-07-17 21:40:47] 1QaZxSw2 : i have successfully made lots of money buying options for many months and eventually lost it all, as have many options traders
[2016-07-17 21:40:48] rapidtrades : doesn't matter how often options expire becos most ppl likely use them as insurance and/or tax plays
[2016-07-17 21:41:16] 1QaZxSw2 : yes, they are great as insurance.
[2016-07-17 21:41:20] rapidtrades : plus win % by itself is irrelevant to expectancy
[2016-07-17 21:42:03] ethercap : rapidtrades: true
[2016-07-17 21:42:31] 1QaZxSw2 : ethercap: do you know the deribit guys?
[2016-07-17 21:43:31] ethercap : 1QaZxSw2: No I dont know them personally. I only read about them today, set up an account, and to support the new venture did a few btc of trades. I liked their platform
[2016-07-17 21:44:06] ethercap : although I thought that they probably should reduce the number of "strikes" before volume hopefully comes
[2016-07-17 21:45:26] 1QaZxSw2 : try live.coinpit.io they have some interesting features
[2016-07-17 21:45:37] ethercap : 1QaZxSw2: I thought they had some pretty good markets, open interest adjusted, so it looks like the guys want to do biz
[2016-07-17 21:45:52] 1QaZxSw2 : ya, i'll give them a try
[2016-07-17 21:48:29] BitMEX_Sam : It's actually worse than that on whaleclub binaries, payout was +45%, -100% last I checked
[2016-07-17 21:49:07] BitMEX_Sam : Deribit guys used to trade here and we know them. They seem capable
[2016-07-17 21:49:19] 1QaZxSw2 : BitMEX_Sam: ya, i think you are right. bet 1, get .45 or lose all
[2016-07-17 21:49:46] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah awful odds. I assume it's because it would be relatively easy to game
[2016-07-17 21:50:17] ethercap : 1QaZxSw2: thanks will check the coinpit site. a lot of new sites opening these days. But like I said I would only sell binary options
[2016-07-17 21:50:48] 1QaZxSw2 : i dont think whaleclub allows you to sell, only buy
[2016-07-17 21:50:59] ethercap : BitMEX_Sam: Good evening! If you scroll through the previous chat you will see some of my views on Bitmex forward contracts :)
[2016-07-17 21:52:15] ethercap : 1QaZxSw2: then its a loosing proposition unless you can somehow trade their index better then them.... binary options are unfortunately something retail investors are lured to. unless you have inside information every time you buy it its a loosing proposition
[2016-07-17 21:53:05] BitMEX_Sam : Yes and I generally agree with you. We will keep at least dailies and likely add weeklies, and I'd like to keep at least quarterly around but we need a primary mm for it
[2016-07-17 21:56:39] 1QaZxSw2 : oh crap, then everyone will go to dailies and i will lose the nice liquidity on swap
[2016-07-17 21:56:44] ethercap : BitMEX_Sam: I think personally weeklies are less important than quarterlies and maybe even annuals. Especially if combined with a liquid swap market. Imagine if a user could buy a bitcoin future one year or 6 months from now? I think a lot of people would find that interesting. Some thought would have to be given for fair value though and to stop market manipulation in case of low volume.
[2016-07-17 21:57:27] 1QaZxSw2 : ethercap: dont worry, they mark the price using kaiko index
[2016-07-17 21:57:32] BitMEX_Sam : We already have dailies on xbj, we will add a usd quoting mode
[2016-07-17 21:58:16] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah we have had 6mo contracts before. Fewer trade it than you would think and basis swings make it very hard to mm
[2016-07-17 21:59:17] 1QaZxSw2 : honestly the swap is great. i can pretend its spot and trade. which is what most traders do because they dont really have a derivaties trading background
[2016-07-17 21:59:58] BitMEX_Sam : That's the idea, yeah. It concentrates liquidity
[2016-07-17 21:59:59] ethercap : BitMEX_Sam: I agree with you (and through my previous account I used to short sell that whenever I could) but I think it will eventually prevail if combined, either at the same exchange or another with options with similar expiry dates and the same or similar index
[2016-07-17 22:02:15] 1QaZxSw2 : ethercap: im gonna look at their options. i'd love to have that "option" so to speak. But my guess is very few btc traders are into options. Secondly, im still trying to understand how deribit can have so many option volume unless they are allowing selling naked, in which case, im not sure how any of this can be settled
[2016-07-17 22:03:17] BitMEX_Sam : That is probable
[2016-07-17 22:03:36] BitMEX_Sam : As for products based on the swap, that is coming
[2016-07-17 22:03:51] ethercap : 1QaZxSw2: They use margins quite similar to if you shorted a future. I sold some earlier to understand their pricing mechanism for margin
[2016-07-17 22:05:29] 1QaZxSw2 : ethercap: i see. and then what happens when the underlying price moves sharply? Can I exercise it when it expires in the money? do they have any documentation for me to understand?
[2016-07-17 22:06:19] ethercap : BitMEX_Sam: I have been in the derivative business for 25 years, and I think both of you are of the same opinion. In order to get this BTC market to the next level one needs a functioning forward market for at least 3 quarters. Its difficult in the beginning but the rewards will come in the end. Just look at the FFA market for freight swaps (which I was part of starting back in the mid nineties)
[2016-07-17 22:08:09] ethercap : 1QaZxSw2: Like I said I just signed up today, they have some documentation in the FAQ. Their index is based upon a different index than Bitmex but it seems ok enough (for now at least) and there is some documentation there. But be careful and do not bet the farm. The options will auto settle but until there is a proper secondary market you will run the risk of a bad bid/offer until settlement
[2016-07-17 22:11:30] ethercap : 1QaZxSw2: plus credit risk
[2016-07-17 22:20:13] ethercap : 1QaZxSw2: if you have registered with deribit.com see for example if you went long the swap on bitmex and short a say 670 call on the expiry 4 days for now.... this is no trading advice but it certainly creates an opportunity. need to adjust for the funding cost of the swap though and one need to be able to delta hedge the option.
[2016-07-17 22:20:43] ethercap : but in any event it will create liquidity.... going to bed soon here have a nice evening gentlement
[2016-07-17 22:20:59] ethercap : correction: gentlemen (and any ladies)
[2016-07-17 22:23:20] fineregex : byebye bitcoin, see you later
[2016-07-17 22:31:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 100 @ 0.01663
[2016-07-17 23:03:35] rapidtrades : what was the previous funding for btc
[2016-07-17 23:06:01] miramm1115 : rapidtrades: 0.0168% https://www.bitmex.com/app/fundingHistory
[2016-07-17 23:08:02] rapidtrades : tnx
[2016-07-17 23:56:15] rapidtrades : what do u guys use to withdraw cash
[2016-07-18 00:04:22] Rado : I have never withdrawn cash
[2016-07-18 00:04:46] Rado : Bitfinex, Kraken?
[2016-07-18 00:12:19] Tetsuo : bullscammerrats are trying to leave the sinking ship
[2016-07-18 00:19:15] rapidtrades : lol tetsuo mad brah
[2016-07-18 01:11:24] rapidtrades : cmon PBOC, one time
[2016-07-18 01:16:03] rapidtrades : People’s Bank of China sets yuan reference rate at 6.6961 (vs. yesterday at 6.6805)
[2016-07-18 01:16:06] rapidtrades : not bad
[2016-07-18 01:16:34] rapidtrades : time for a post-PBOC pump?
[2016-07-18 01:20:33] rapidtrades : man ppl are mofo buying the yen pairs...u don't see this often
[2016-07-18 01:22:16] rapidtrades : Asia has a hard time realizing it's not America
[2016-07-18 01:22:46] rapidtrades : dumb algos in full force driving correlations to 1
[2016-07-18 01:32:24] rapidtrades : nintendo stock up 80% or some crazy shit last week
[2016-07-18 01:37:06] rapidtrades : Pokemon GO shows everything wrong with this generation
[2016-07-18 01:38:06] d_ : rapidtrades: it's like an episode of Black Mirror
[2016-07-18 01:39:44] rapidtrades : never heard of it
[2016-07-18 01:47:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 105 @ 0.01673
[2016-07-18 01:51:40] bitbucks : Watch black mirror
[2016-07-18 01:52:49] Rado : rapidtrades: Pokemon GO is some crazy shit
[2016-07-18 01:53:04] Rado : saw a guy on the street waiving his hand
[2016-07-18 01:53:13] Rado : he looked like an idiot
[2016-07-18 02:30:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBJ24H`: Buy 2520 @ 72316.0
[2016-07-18 03:01:06] ax : @rapidtrades what's wrong with people having fun outside instead of playing games on their fat ass all day?
[2016-07-18 03:04:34] Rado : ax: they should play outside without their phones
[2016-07-18 03:05:09] Rado : they are becoming like sheep zombies
[2016-07-18 03:05:38] bernx : rapidtrades: it's good or bad for BTC?
[2016-07-18 03:05:47] Rado : not paying attention to what's happening in the real world
[2016-07-18 04:02:15] zanza : are we mooning ?
[2016-07-18 04:49:15] CaptainDean : someone is trying hard to pump at Huobi but it doesn't look to work at all
[2016-07-18 04:50:05] CaptainDean : Sell > Buy
[2016-07-18 05:17:37] Rado : Not much volume
[2016-07-18 08:00:18] 32xxl : guys, I'm new in bitmex... how to deposit ETH? have only BTC address in my account
[2016-07-18 08:06:32] rapidtrades : u can only deposit BTC
[2016-07-18 08:12:12] 32xxl : rapidtrades: why? and what about withdrawals ?
[2016-07-18 08:26:41] zanza : BTC only
[2016-07-18 08:26:49] zanza : withdrawl happens 1 time per day
[2016-07-18 09:26:57] rapidtrades : zanza: how it goin
[2016-07-18 10:09:41] mike1000 : Bitmex staff: API question, the docs say there's an id field in Quote object, but it's absent in real API answer and specifying it in columns gives an error msg
[2016-07-18 10:34:17] BitMEX_Wally : mike1000: The quote table has no id, it just has timestamp and symbol
[2016-07-18 10:35:03] BitMEX_Wally : Where do the documents say there is an id field?
[2016-07-18 10:36:06] BitMEX_Wally : Ahh, I see the problem in the model schema
[2016-07-18 10:40:43] mike1000 : So the docs are incorrect?
[2016-07-18 10:42:29] mike1000 : It would be nice to have an id because my bot needs it for storing quote data, I use timestamp as id for now
[2016-07-18 10:49:01] mike1000 : The same with Trade obj, does a Trade have an id?
[2016-07-18 10:49:52] mike1000 : Docs say yes, api gives none
[2016-07-18 10:50:16] BitMEX_Wally : There is no `id` for `quote` and `trade`
[2016-07-18 10:50:53] BitMEX_Wally : I think the frontend might use a virtual id column that is just `timestamp+symbol` internally and that is why it has leaked into the swagger model
[2016-07-18 10:51:23] BitMEX_Wally : I will fix the docs
[2016-07-18 10:51:34] mike1000 : Ok, I see, thanks
[2016-07-18 11:05:20] mrp1nk : dip the balls
[2016-07-18 11:11:03] jesperf : it was too cold for dem balls
[2016-07-18 11:18:41] PatioCrasher : Thanks Wally
[2016-07-18 12:59:04] mike1000 : Cerated a pull request to add BitMEX to Bitcoin Checker (Android ticker app) https://github.com/mobnetic/BitcoinChecker/pull/239 Cross fingers for it to be applied :)
[2016-07-18 12:59:22] mike1000 : *Created
[2016-07-18 13:11:26] mike1000 : Seems the app author wasn't active for a few months, though :(
[2016-07-18 13:11:43] mike1000 : Gonna ping him :)
[2016-07-18 13:16:29] BitMEX_Wally : mike1000: Nice
[2016-07-18 13:17:29] mike1000 : Wrote him on e-mail, let's see how it gets
[2016-07-18 13:18:39] BitMEX_Wally : mike1000: I notice that you're using the `/quote`history endpoint to grab the latest bidPrice and askPrice . You can get these off the `/instrument` endpoint if you just want the latest
[2016-07-18 13:19:36] BitMEX_Wally : Same for the last traded price, it is `lastPrice` on `instrument`
[2016-07-18 13:20:19] BitMEX_Wally : The `/trade`and `/quote` are more useful if you want historical time series data
[2016-07-18 13:22:14] mike1000 : Yeah, thanks, really missed that endpoint, well it seems I have plenty of time to improve, last pull request merge was in february :)
[2016-07-18 13:30:36] mike1000 : BitMEX_Wally: what is `volume` compared to `volume24h`?
[2016-07-18 13:35:17] BitMEX_Wally : `volume` is contracts traded since the start of this 8 hour sesssion
[2016-07-18 13:35:26] BitMEX_Wally : `volume24h` is contracts traded in the last 24 hours
[2016-07-18 13:41:07] mike1000 : Updated my pull request to use `/instrument` endpoint
[2016-07-18 13:56:12] rapidtrades : yuan at 6.7130 all day
[2016-07-18 14:18:12] bernx : well
[2016-07-18 14:18:22] bernx : I only one who think rally it's over?
[2016-07-18 14:18:43] bernx : mid term
[2016-07-18 14:21:06] Rado : bernx: you might be right
[2016-07-18 14:21:19] Rado : but there is always a possibility that BTC will shoot up
[2016-07-18 14:21:27] Rado : just one event is needed
[2016-07-18 14:21:39] bernx : Rado: yep. but China don't going in rally now
[2016-07-18 14:21:47] bernx : Finex have no support
[2016-07-18 14:21:49] Rado : Long term I am always biased towards bull
[2016-07-18 14:22:16] bernx : Long margin ATH at all history right now. seems like we go to correct about 600-500 for some time
[2016-07-18 14:22:54] Rado : that will be nice
[2016-07-18 14:23:13] bernx : just 1k btc short and go soo deep
[2016-07-18 14:23:17] Rado : I need my alt coins to go up so I can generate more BTC :-)
[2016-07-18 14:42:13] Rado : bernx: the longer BTC doesn't break down the bigger the chance that this is only a consolidation before the next leg up
[2016-07-18 14:42:53] bernx : Rado: yep. but there is chance
[2016-07-18 14:43:07] bernx : for guy, who start this pump yesterday wanna left
[2016-07-18 14:43:17] bernx : and if he do it - we going to crush
[2016-07-18 14:44:20] bernx : as we can see for a last 2 weeks - there is how going on. someone going long and wait 1-2 day, after he left if pump don't start.
[2016-07-18 14:46:48] bernx : Main reason why we cannot go to moon - there is no new money right now. everyone have dream for x10, they get too much longs. just check finex long vs short. first time at history of btc we have this value , ATH. but there is no new money, unfortunately .
[2016-07-18 14:48:41] bernx : yesterday pump was a little obvious, becouse we was soo low and guys start close short with open longs. now we so hight for this depth of market
[2016-07-18 14:57:49] Rado : how do you know there is no new money
[2016-07-18 14:58:01] Rado : I think everyday new poeple are coming to bitcoin
[2016-07-18 15:14:43] odieoh : Japan is coming to the party now
[2016-07-18 15:15:08] bernx : why?
[2016-07-18 15:15:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 50 @ 0.01678
[2016-07-18 15:15:32] odieoh : Because their banking system is about to go nuts (possibly).
[2016-07-18 15:27:27] bernx : odieoh: where i can find this information?
[2016-07-18 15:50:38] odieoh : http://www.wallstreetdaily.com/2016/07/18/japan-economy-bankruptcy/
[2016-07-18 15:52:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 215 @ 0.01659
[2016-07-18 16:00:02] ax : going to retest 700 for sure
[2016-07-18 16:02:37] jung1 : turkey will print tons o money
[2016-07-18 16:03:58] bernx : jung1: ???
[2016-07-18 16:06:19] jung1 : they annouce that they are going to print as much money as necessary
[2016-07-18 16:09:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 8876 @ 675.34
[2016-07-18 16:09:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1030 @ 675.53
[2016-07-18 16:09:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2 @ 675.58 :punch: :whale:
[2016-07-18 16:10:08] Skitrx : crazy china being crazy
[2016-07-18 16:12:51] macios15 : good volatility is back
[2016-07-18 16:15:30] Skitrx : time for a long squeeze?
[2016-07-18 16:16:21] bernx : Depend on Asia
[2016-07-18 16:16:30] bernx : Finex can't going upward alone
[2016-07-18 16:16:41] mrp1nk : thank you for the dippa
[2016-07-18 16:17:00] Skitrx : recovery is pretty poor
[2016-07-18 16:17:13] Skitrx : perfect time to start a panic sell
[2016-07-18 16:18:25] mrp1nk : my fiat is ready
[2016-07-18 16:19:05] bernx : seems we goin to 650
[2016-07-18 16:19:08] bernx : no, 666
[2016-07-18 16:19:38] jung1 : yup
[2016-07-18 16:19:39] jung1 : 666
[2016-07-18 16:20:39] mrp1nk : for me it looks like a classical "rekt the top longers"
[2016-07-18 16:21:06] jung1 : beelzebub approves
[2016-07-18 16:23:43] bernx : bull trap
[2016-07-18 16:23:53] bernx : still there is guys who make this pump yesterday
[2016-07-18 16:24:09] bernx : just wait while he close potitions
[2016-07-18 16:25:12] mrp1nk : bernx: yeah could be a bulltrap resp. dead cat bounce
[2016-07-18 16:25:27] bernx : there is no bounce - this is main trouble
[2016-07-18 16:25:53] mrp1nk : 4500-4540 no bounce?
[2016-07-18 16:25:59] mrp1nk : 4500 to 4540
[2016-07-18 16:27:56] mrp1nk : well dunno, i'm neutral long from the bottom
[2016-07-18 16:27:58] bernx : there is no even 50%
[2016-07-18 16:28:20] bernx : 4510 just in case to 4535
[2016-07-18 16:28:27] bernx : from 4600
[2016-07-18 16:31:04] fineregex : BitMEX_Wally: good day. I think the funding rates hold the litecoin contract back from gaining any more volume. The litecoin price moves rather slowly. The funding rate represents neither incentive for sellers nor buyers now but only risk since it can change anytime and bigger issue than average price here is low volume and large spread. finally the pricing source (bitfinex) has low volume and is not very representative making it unlikely to hedge with any market with big volume.
[2016-07-18 16:40:54] bernx : ggwp
[2016-07-18 16:41:29] mrp1nk : stops in profit, come at me bro xD
[2016-07-18 16:41:33] bernx : Asia don't wanna follow rally
[2016-07-18 16:42:26] bernx : Finex long about to close
[2016-07-18 16:50:36] mrp1nk : ok, i capitulated too lol
[2016-07-18 16:53:59] jung1 : 666 comming
[2016-07-18 16:54:20] Skitrx : damn it china this is why we can't have nice things
[2016-07-18 16:54:39] bernx : BTC frifall
[2016-07-18 16:55:04] bernx : lol @ finex margin. just check!
[2016-07-18 16:56:57] jung1 : would be awesome if 666 will be spot price of bitcoin
[2016-07-18 16:57:39] bernx : there is some support level for btc
[2016-07-18 16:59:08] bernx : china try to hold. 1k btc support @finex. but anyway too high right now
[2016-07-18 17:11:50] BitMEX_Greg : fineregex: I'll take a look into it for you
[2016-07-18 17:31:10] jung1 : https://twitter.com/ChrHalper/status/751776459329536000
[2016-07-18 17:47:59] mrp1nk : jung1: long term is up i belive
[2016-07-18 17:48:04] mrp1nk : bullieve
[2016-07-18 18:00:14] jung1 : it depends
[2016-07-18 18:00:17] jung1 : if bitcoin will die
[2016-07-18 18:00:20] jung1 : oh wait
[2016-07-18 18:00:31] jung1 : It already died 140 times
[2016-07-18 18:01:33] jesperf : BitMEX_Greg: 3 confirmations and my deposit is still not confirmed here
[2016-07-18 18:03:01] justinlooking : /deposit says `Your deposit will be credited after 1 confirmation on the Bitcoin network.` is that right?
[2016-07-18 18:03:39] jesperf : says so in the faq too
[2016-07-18 18:05:30] mrp1nk : jung1: i would love if it dies again. that hearn ragequit was a gift. would love to see tree fiddy again
[2016-07-18 18:05:56] jung1 : after nexxt pump we will hit 400-500 again
[2016-07-18 18:05:59] jung1 : $
[2016-07-18 18:06:15] jung1 : and repeat
[2016-07-18 18:06:21] jung1 : till our death
[2016-07-18 18:06:36] mrp1nk : sounds great
[2016-07-18 18:07:18] jung1 : yeah
[2016-07-18 18:09:07] jung1 : or on next pump satoshi will clean all arderbooks on all exchanges by his coins
[2016-07-18 18:10:32] mrp1nk : even that wouldn't kill btc imo
[2016-07-18 18:14:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 5 @ 71348.0
[2016-07-18 18:15:13] jesperf : if i was trying to deposit to cover a liquidation i would be freaking out right now
[2016-07-18 18:15:17] jesperf : come on bitmex
[2016-07-18 18:16:50] jung1 : so cut your loses and sell some of contracts to add margin
[2016-07-18 18:16:56] jung1 : its something
[2016-07-18 18:17:11] jesperf : yeah i know
[2016-07-18 18:17:35] jung1 : or put stop losses
[2016-07-18 18:22:23] jesperf : 4 confirmations now
[2016-07-18 18:22:29] jesperf : bitmex is broken
[2016-07-18 18:22:33] jesperf : everyone jump ship
[2016-07-18 18:22:48] mrp1nk : 4 confs should be enough
[2016-07-18 18:23:48] mrp1nk : at least for me it also went quite quickly, dunno if they changed something
[2016-07-18 18:24:19] jesperf : never had problems before
[2016-07-18 18:24:21] justinlooking : jesperf: would be good idea to email support@bitmex.com if u haven't already
[2016-07-18 18:24:42] jung1 : for such cases there should be https://www.bitgo.com/instant
[2016-07-18 18:24:58] jung1 : their fee is quite big but for emergancy cases
[2016-07-18 18:25:00] justinlooking : they must find trollbox v distracting... amazed they get anything done with how much participation there is
[2016-07-18 18:25:00] jung1 : are awesome
[2016-07-18 18:25:08] jesperf : justinlooking: yeah i guess
[2016-07-18 18:27:47] BitMEX_Greg : jesperf: Let me take a look into it for you
[2016-07-18 18:29:31] jesperf : thanks. just sent an email about it
[2016-07-18 18:38:15] BitMEX_Sam : jesperf: One of our blockchain datasources is not agreeing with the others, I am excluding the stale data and the deposit will confirm shortly
[2016-07-18 18:38:52] jesperf : BitMEX_Sam: thanks! what a weird issue though!
[2016-07-18 18:39:22] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, it happens now and then. The state of blockchain data is really poor. External sources have issues, internal sources have bugs and memory leaks and corrupt their blockchain now & then
[2016-07-18 18:39:35] BitMEX_Sam : We run many sources and alert when they don't all agree so we can fix the issue.
[2016-07-18 18:54:41] sharp : hye
[2016-07-18 18:54:55] sharp : sent btc here 1h ago ..and nothing..is this normal?
[2016-07-18 18:55:06] jesperf : read up ^
[2016-07-18 18:55:12] jesperf : same issue
[2016-07-18 18:55:56] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, our apologies. The blockchain data restoration is nearly complete
[2016-07-18 18:56:09] sharp : ... damn..
[2016-07-18 18:56:48] jesperf : mine got confirmed now
[2016-07-18 18:57:20] jesperf : no wait, that was just a "transaction seen" message sent again
[2016-07-18 18:57:49] sharp : cool.. I got liquidated.. because of this.. fuck this shit.
[2016-07-18 18:59:01] jesperf : I thought of that scenario too but you could have decreased your position to increase your margin balance
[2016-07-18 18:59:06] BitMEX_Sam : sharp: Please send us an email to support@bitmex.com
[2016-07-18 19:03:13] sharp : BitMEX_Sam: email sent..
[2016-07-18 19:04:50] jesperf : there we go, now I'm happy
[2016-07-18 19:05:13] BitMEX_Sam : Resync has finished. Apologies for the disruption.
[2016-07-18 19:05:34] sharp : BitMEX_Sam: cool recieved..now.. when it's too late.. eh..
[2016-07-18 19:05:50] BitMEX_Sam : sharp: Received your email, please wait, as this was our issue we are going to make you whole on this
[2016-07-18 19:06:02] sharp : ok thank you
[2016-07-18 19:06:18] jesperf : thumbs up for that kind of customer service!
[2016-07-18 19:06:44] sharp : yes..really..
[2016-07-18 19:06:57] sharp : I will tweet about..
[2016-07-18 19:11:53] BitMEX_Sam : sharp: Please check your email
[2016-07-18 19:17:06] jung1 : 666 comming
[2016-07-18 19:17:07] jung1 : told ya
[2016-07-18 19:17:12] jung1 : satan love us
[2016-07-18 19:18:41] sharp : BitMEX_Sam: I recieved.. and sent another.. :)
[2016-07-18 19:18:52] BitMEX_Sam : :+1:
[2016-07-18 19:24:47] jung1 : sharp: send me too
[2016-07-18 19:25:03] jung1 : lets check if it works well
[2016-07-18 19:25:04] jung1 : 3BMEX8wPEEwd13UFcUcHupHaEXYnpBpD3R
[2016-07-18 19:30:03] Skitrx : jung1 I sent you 1000btc please deposit in my account
[2016-07-18 19:35:22] jung1 : ok waiting for confirmation
[2016-07-18 19:35:58] Skitrx : I will send you confirmation email ok
[2016-07-18 19:36:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 6510 @ 667.91
[2016-07-18 19:36:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 29000 @ 667.69 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-07-18 19:36:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 250 @ 668.22
[2016-07-18 19:37:02] mrp1nk : kek
[2016-07-18 19:37:43] ayy_lmao : bitcoin so dirty
[2016-07-18 19:38:11] mrp1nk : wow
[2016-07-18 19:38:23] jung1 : aaaand 666
[2016-07-18 19:39:01] mrp1nk : china not there yet
[2016-07-18 19:40:51] Skitrx : lol no way is 666 gonna hold
[2016-07-18 19:42:57] justinlooking : orly?
[2016-07-18 19:48:14] Tetsuo : Game over for Shitcoin! game over man
[2016-07-18 19:49:13] Tetsuo : Crypto 2.0 - ETH Hardfork megapump is in the making! 2 days left until moooon
[2016-07-18 19:55:41] Tetsuo : Bitcoin might pump again in a few months if it manages to get hardforked too, but the halving right now is oviously too much bad news right now( it always helps to use triple reverse psychology to trade)
[2016-07-18 19:57:46] ayy_lmao : is tetsuo still calling the end of bitcoin
[2016-07-18 19:58:33] ayy_lmao : dude is the best troll here lol
[2016-07-18 19:59:35] odieoh : "The halving right now is obviously too much bad news right now. . ."
[2016-07-18 19:59:45] odieoh : it's so bad I'm selling all mine
[2016-07-18 20:03:16] mrp1nk : Tetsuo: are you ashdrake?