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[2016-07-13 16:54:01] BitMEX_Sam : Spoofing is definitely illegal
[2016-07-13 16:54:18] BitMEX_Sam : This is an incredible article about it: http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-spoofing/
[2016-07-13 16:59:05] elmorte : Damn, you weren
[2016-07-13 16:59:16] elmorte : 't exaggerating @BitMEX_Sam
[2016-07-13 16:59:38] elmorte : A pretty sweet how-to though
[2016-07-13 16:59:42] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, Bloomberg really pushes the envelope
[2016-07-13 17:00:12] elmorte : Yeah, my GPU is smoking
[2016-07-13 17:11:18] BitMEX_Greg : Hey guys, what alts are you trading these days besides ETH and LTC?
[2016-07-13 17:16:23] elmorte : Sup Greg...it's a tough crowd.
[2016-07-13 17:17:12] elmorte : Do what Wally does - shake the mark up & down :) That will get you voices in here...
[2016-07-13 17:19:01] BitMEX_Greg : Hah, unfortunately I don't have that authority
[2016-07-13 17:24:40] elmorte : Looking at the volume on Polo should give you a decent idea
[2016-07-13 17:25:58] rapidtrades : im not considering anything besides ltc and eth atm
[2016-07-13 17:26:35] rapidtrades : not sure active trading works in other alts due to costs
[2016-07-13 17:26:42] rapidtrades : for my systems anyway
[2016-07-13 17:27:43] BitMEX_Greg : yeah the top traded alts besides ETH on Polo vary quite a bit from day to day
[2016-07-13 17:27:48] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: @BitMEX_Greg can we get a new longterm quanto? the ppl want it
[2016-07-13 17:28:05] BitMEX_Greg : I believe we are still discussing it internally, @rapidtrades
[2016-07-13 17:28:42] rapidtrades : cool tnx...guess we'll wait
[2016-07-13 17:29:14] elmorte : BitMEX_Greg: true, just looking at it. I thought NXT == MMNXT...do I feel silly now
[2016-07-13 17:31:06] rapidtrades : Rado: what did u use to program ur bots again? i forgot
[2016-07-13 17:57:14] odieoh : Would like a new quanto as well
[2016-07-13 17:59:13] BitMEX_Greg : As much as we want to list one, we just need to justify it. The volumes are not great. Looking at the U16 contract, the past 24H volume was 30 XBT.
[2016-07-13 18:07:31] Rado : rapidtrades: coffee script
[2016-07-13 18:08:19] Rado : but the code I write is using the cryptotrader platform that interprets my code and does all the API calls
[2016-07-13 18:08:57] Rado : BitMEX_Greg: you need to come up with something
[2016-07-13 18:09:00] Rado : here is why
[2016-07-13 18:09:19] Rado : I saw a few users in here complain about the high funding rate when long
[2016-07-13 18:09:55] Rado : so the two use cases for trading are: 1. Day trading and 2. Long term holding of contracts
[2016-07-13 18:10:22] Rado : 2 can not be done with XBTUSD due to very high funding rates
[2016-07-13 18:10:51] Rado : I love that the funding rate is high and can hold the opposite position to generate the interest
[2016-07-13 18:11:07] Rado : however people that want to hold BTC fo rlong term on leverage can't right now
[2016-07-13 18:11:24] Rado : and I think you want these people to be your customers
[2016-07-13 18:11:55] BitMEX_Greg : Well the funding rates are only high when there is FOMO, which reflects that people will pay a premium to go long. Right now they are approximately 0.04% a day which is similar to the funding charge on Bitfinex for margin trading.
[2016-07-13 18:12:31] BitMEX_Greg : There's always going to be a charge for trading with leverage
[2016-07-13 18:12:48] BitMEX_Greg : whether that be in a funding level or in a Future's basis
[2016-07-13 18:13:05] Rado : that's fine
[2016-07-13 18:13:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 450 @ 68712.0
[2016-07-13 18:13:44] Rado : but the complaint was that the funding rate came to 72% for the period the user was complaining
[2016-07-13 18:14:19] Rado : I am just trying to help :-)
[2016-07-13 18:14:19] BitMEX_Greg : 72%? What period was that over?
[2016-07-13 18:14:28] Rado : you can decide to listen to your customers or not
[2016-07-13 18:14:30] BitMEX_Sam : That's if you extrapolate the % over a long period of time without acknowledging that it changes daily
[2016-07-13 18:14:42] BitMEX_Sam : Also could have been including leverage which is nonsense.
[2016-07-13 18:15:00] BitMEX_Sam : By that logic, if you buy a long-dated future at 20x with 10% premium, you've paid a 200% fee
[2016-07-13 18:15:27] Rado : BitMEX_Sam: but you can control that by using stop orders
[2016-07-13 18:15:33] BitMEX_Greg : Also in the past, the 24H futures last September/October traded at an annualised premium of something like 1400%
[2016-07-13 18:15:36] Rado : where the other one is charged to you no matter waht
[2016-07-13 18:16:11] Rado : maybe the 24H contract is the answer then
[2016-07-13 18:16:12] Rado : not sure
[2016-07-13 18:16:29] BitMEX_Greg : Well we have a 24 contract, just denominated in JPY
[2016-07-13 18:16:31] Rado : what I knwo is that I want another product besides the swap
[2016-07-13 18:16:56] Rado : that might satisfy me for my trading
[2016-07-13 18:17:14] BitMEX_Sam : You still pay the basis, one way or another
[2016-07-13 18:17:29] BitMEX_Sam : A funding transaction is more in your face, basis swings are more subtle
[2016-07-13 18:18:20] Rado : it's user perception I agree
[2016-07-13 18:18:57] Rado : personally I love BitMEX rates
[2016-07-13 18:19:05] Rado : compared to 1Broker or Whaleclub
[2016-07-13 18:19:09] aethlios : Rado: The difference with long term contracts and swap is that you can lock a stable-fixed premium, also can hedge with swap which pays variable. I agree we could have a 3month, 6month and 12month contract to have a 1 year yield curve.
[2016-07-13 18:19:11] Rado : they charge insane fees
[2016-07-13 18:19:21] Rado : 0.2% overnight
[2016-07-13 18:19:49] Rado : that is what I want aethlios
[2016-07-13 18:20:03] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, bucket shops will always be more expensive because of what they guarantee
[2016-07-13 18:20:05] Rado : the BitMEX complaint is there is no volume
[2016-07-13 18:20:24] Rado : but if you don't have all contracts so people can trade spreads you can't expect the volume
[2016-07-13 18:21:11] aethlios : Rado: Yes with long term contracts many more complex strategies can be played, basically you can bet on the slope of the curve.
[2016-07-13 18:21:26] Rado : yep
[2016-07-13 18:21:53] Rado : BitMEX is still my favorite broker ;-)
[2016-07-13 18:22:16] aethlios : Now I will happily go long the xbtu16 and short the swap, betting that the average swap 8 hour premium will be higher than 0.07% which is the fixed yield of xbtu16
[2016-07-13 18:22:16] Rado : can't wait to sell my alt coins so I can start taking advantage of the funding rate
[2016-07-13 18:23:09] Rado : aethlios: what I am thinking of doing is trade ETHXBT to collect the rate
[2016-07-13 18:23:44] BitMEX_Greg : Rado: Thanks! But yeah basically if we see more volume on the long-dated then we will keep them. It's up to you guys to trade it, if noones trading then its a true reflection of demand
[2016-07-13 18:23:47] Rado : short/long around 50BTC on Kraken and buy/sell the equivalent contracts in here
[2016-07-13 18:24:20] Rado : BitMEX_Greg: to see the real volume you need a few more contracts
[2016-07-13 18:24:28] Rado : like Sep, Oct and Dec for example
[2016-07-13 18:24:48] Rado : I might be wrong, you guys are the experts
[2016-07-13 18:24:53] BitMEX_Greg : I think that would make it worse as its just fragmenting what liquidity is there already
[2016-07-13 18:25:15] Rado : not if people trade spreads
[2016-07-13 18:25:28] Rado : they will be buying/selling two contracts with the same volume
[2016-07-13 18:25:47] aethlios : I also believe we need a 1 year btc curve. the long term contracts wont reduce volume of swap, they will increase because of the spread betting.
[2016-07-13 18:26:52] lockhedge : aethlios: https://www.cryptofacilities.com they have futures until March 17 but nobody trades them
[2016-07-13 18:27:54] Rado : lockhedge: how are their fees?
[2016-07-13 18:28:33] justinlooking : the fills window is much worse than before!
[2016-07-13 18:29:14] BitMEX_Sam : How so?
[2016-07-13 18:29:15] Rado : Dec - 731.18
[2016-07-13 18:29:19] justinlooking : oh wait, i think i had stale data, a refresh has made it better
[2016-07-13 18:29:20] justinlooking : sorry sam
[2016-07-13 18:29:24] odieoh : I think just having a single 3 month quanto available is the happy medium (ie when Sep expires, Dec starts)
[2016-07-13 18:29:27] Rado : Mar - 748.72
[2016-07-13 18:29:38] justinlooking : it was showing pulled orders that hadn't even traded...
[2016-07-13 18:29:39] Rado : This is a good trade. Short Dec and long Mar
[2016-07-13 18:37:26] fineregex : actually, is the USA30 bull run one giant short squeeze?
[2016-07-13 18:39:00] fineregex : i thought it would be affected somewhat at least when sentiment/open orders is 90% short all the time
[2016-07-13 18:41:01] lockhedge : Rado: fees are not bad but there is no liquidity for futures with long maturities
[2016-07-13 18:43:38] 1QaZxSw2 : non-expiring contracts seem to be the future. Now bitmex and coinpit.io and soon everyone else will copy it
[2016-07-13 18:46:22] BitMEX_Greg : I think coinpit.io copied us haha
[2016-07-13 19:05:45] 1QaZxSw2 : you guys were certainly first
[2016-07-13 19:10:58] 1QaZxSw2 : but they claim they dont have DPE or funding.... still trying to figure how it works
[2016-07-13 19:11:14] 1QaZxSw2 : DPE is a bitch, it went to 30% the last drop
[2016-07-13 19:11:55] BitMEX_Greg : We are working out ways to reduce this, so bear with us.
[2016-07-13 19:12:25] BitMEX_Greg : Be careful on other exchanges that don't have a funding or proper DPE (or deleveraging) system.
[2016-07-13 19:12:39] BitMEX_Greg : As at the end of they day they will be the ones on the hook
[2016-07-13 19:38:36] 1QaZxSw2 : right, have to figure out what i hate more, the deleveraging or the DPE
[2016-07-13 20:13:05] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : 1QaZxSw2: Deleveraging for me. Makes hedging totally unpredictable if not impossible. So does DPE to some degree but not as much
[2016-07-13 20:15:44] BitMEX_Greg : What if you had an option to automatically put a limit or market order after you had been deleveraged?
[2016-07-13 20:48:17] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : BitMEX_Greg: Well if that order is filled then what would be the reason for my position to be deleveraged in the first place?
[2016-07-13 20:48:30] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : And why wouldn't it happen again right away?
[2016-07-13 20:49:45] BitMEX_Greg : Well the process would be the liquidation would happen, if its not filled then you would get deleveraged, then another order would be put on the market for you
[2016-07-13 21:14:48] nip : BitMEX_Greg: just increase maintenance margin a little bit
[2016-07-13 21:15:51] nip : just dont make it as high as 1%. okcoin already does that and has not had dpe this year
[2016-07-13 21:15:57] rapidtrades : holy shit....yen pairs just wont go down
[2016-07-13 21:16:06] rapidtrades : i feel another rapeage coming
[2016-07-13 21:16:20] BitMEX_Greg : nip: We are working on it, I believe its on testnet already
[2016-07-13 21:17:02] rapidtrades : it's hard to take the market srsly on this one when they got ECB wrong back dec and brexit right before...then exaggerated right after
[2016-07-13 21:17:24] nip : i very greatly prefer dpe to deleveraging
[2016-07-13 21:17:34] rapidtrades : dpe sucks man
[2016-07-13 21:17:49] nip : deleveraging is a terrible way of pretending you dont have dpe
[2016-07-13 21:18:48] rapidtrades : how so?
[2016-07-13 21:18:58] nip : there just isnt enough liquidity here yet to support 0.5% maintenance margin
[2016-07-13 21:19:28] rapidtrades : that statement doesn't make any sense because 0.5% is the same regardless of liquidty
[2016-07-13 21:20:46] nip : okcoin tried multiple solutions with LTC
[2016-07-13 21:21:11] nip : what ended up working was just increasing maintenance margin while leaving initial margin the same
[2016-07-13 21:22:59] rapidtrades : LTC is definetley not working at okc ..i myself got raped with 50% during halving last year
[2016-07-13 21:23:10] rapidtrades : over 50% actually
[2016-07-13 21:23:16] nip : last year
[2016-07-13 21:23:25] nip : they fixed it since then
[2016-07-13 21:23:26] rapidtrades : did they change their model after july/august?
[2016-07-13 21:23:29] nip : yes
[2016-07-13 21:23:32] rapidtrades : k what is it now
[2016-07-13 21:24:15] rapidtrades : i mean LTC/USD been having a much calmer year so not really a good indicator anyway
[2016-07-13 21:24:44] rapidtrades : i think even 20/1 is too high for crypto, maybe 10/1?
[2016-07-13 21:24:57] rapidtrades : only reason 20/1 works for okc is cos they manipulate the market
[2016-07-13 21:26:16] nip : or maybe it works because they let you choose 20x leverage but keep initial margin the same whether you choose 20x or 10x
[2016-07-13 21:26:37] nip : they keep maintenance margin the same i mean. you choose your initial margin just like here
[2016-07-13 21:26:55] rapidtrades : but that means that the effective margin is 20/1 no
[2016-07-13 21:27:01] rapidtrades : so how does it help
[2016-07-13 21:27:05] nip : yeah and that is fine
[2016-07-13 21:27:10] rapidtrades : guess it's not 40/1
[2016-07-13 21:27:15] rapidtrades : so that's a start lol
[2016-07-13 21:27:37] rapidtrades : leverage here is just too high to not have DPE
[2016-07-13 21:28:08] nip : what im saying is you can keep 50x leverage and lower dpe by increasing maintenance margin
[2016-07-13 21:28:25] nip : leave initial margin at 1 to 2%
[2016-07-13 21:28:35] nip : make maintenance margin higher than 0.5%
[2016-07-13 21:28:59] rapidtrades : agree
[2016-07-13 21:29:19] nip : okcoin margin calls people earlier i guess that is the difference i am pointing out
[2016-07-13 21:29:30] BitMEX_Sam : We have a tiered risk limit system that is launching very soon.
[2016-07-13 21:29:31] nip : they liquidate a bit sooner, so lower dpe
[2016-07-13 21:29:43] BitMEX_Sam : It's already in testnet. Essentially larger positions require a larger maintenance margin %.
[2016-07-13 21:30:25] nip : that sounds like a good solution as long as using multiple accounts does not become a problem
[2016-07-13 21:31:20] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, this means that we can set the initial risk limit lower, which make using multiple accounts to build a sizable position with the lowest possible margin much more difficult
[2016-07-13 21:31:39] BitMEX_Sam : We are also considering 1% MM on XBTUSD but we haven't come to a decision on that yet. If we do there will be plenty of warning.
[2016-07-13 21:33:45] rapidtrades : ok great....u kinda missed the boat on this one with volatility dying post pump
[2016-07-13 21:33:51] rapidtrades : but better now then never
[2016-07-13 21:34:18] BitMEX_Sam : Code doesn't come free, these systems take time to work out & test.
[2016-07-13 23:11:50] 1QaZxSw2 : so how is your deleveraging going to work? like cryptofacilities or like coinpit.io or something else?
[2016-07-13 23:13:22] BitMEX_Greg : We are still working out the fine tuning of it
[2016-07-13 23:14:39] 1QaZxSw2 : im sure you have traded on both so you can adopt the best and adjust the shortcomings but in my opinion, coinpit.io has too high leverage and cf has too low
[2016-07-13 23:27:36] BitMEX_Greg : Yeah 400x or whatever it is is a bit dangerous
[2016-07-13 23:51:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 555 @ 656.52
[2016-07-13 23:51:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 400 @ 656.51
[2016-07-13 23:51:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4128 @ 656.32
[2016-07-13 23:51:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 10 @ 656.39
[2016-07-13 23:51:57] REKT : :roller_coaster: :chart_with_downwards_trend: :japanese_goblin:
[2016-07-13 23:51:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 130 @ 655.96
[2016-07-13 23:52:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 34000 @ 654.91 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-07-13 23:54:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 9276 @ 652.85
[2016-07-13 23:55:51] Tetsuo : Hi REKT , how u doin?
[2016-07-13 23:58:20] nip : it is reversing here
[2016-07-13 23:58:24] nip : going back up now
[2016-07-14 00:00:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 6500 @ 651.17
[2016-07-14 00:00:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2 @ 651.32 :punch: :whale:
[2016-07-14 00:01:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 101 @ 650.86
[2016-07-14 00:02:10] Tetsuo : Bring on the MEGA_REKTS!
[2016-07-14 00:03:02] nip : green candles
[2016-07-14 00:03:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 1750 @ 0.01628
[2016-07-14 00:04:54] Tetsuo : nip: 1m charts? lel
[2016-07-14 00:05:13] nip : Tetsuo: yes
[2016-07-14 00:09:53] fineregex : news on eth or just reacting on bitcoin ?
[2016-07-14 00:11:55] rapidtrades : idk we need a shitcoin trader
[2016-07-14 00:12:07] rapidtrades : jung1: sup
[2016-07-14 00:28:46] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : BitMEX_Greg: Do you know if the number field decimal workaround is being pushed soon?
[2016-07-14 00:32:45] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : BitMEX_Sam?
[2016-07-14 00:33:23] BitMEX_Greg : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: I
[2016-07-14 00:33:33] BitMEX_Greg : I'll need to check with Sam on that
[2016-07-14 00:33:42] BitMEX_Greg : Will get back to you shortly
[2016-07-14 00:34:01] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : BitMEX_Greg: Great, thank you :)
[2016-07-14 00:34:27] BitMEX_Greg : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: Just been informed that it was fixed, try refreshing your page
[2016-07-14 00:34:43] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : BitMEX_Greg: Excellent, thank you!
[2016-07-14 00:37:08] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : BitMEX_Greg: I refreshed the page and it's still not working for me, but perhaps it's still cached or something
[2016-07-14 00:37:43] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Actually hold on it is working, it just hasn't been fixed in the calculator. Do you plan to do that as well?
[2016-07-14 00:38:09] BitMEX_Greg : Might be the next thing on Sam's list, when he's in I'll find out for you
[2016-07-14 00:38:29] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Thanks for your help
[2016-07-14 00:38:58] BitMEX_Wally : IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb: Please describe the exact issue you have with entering decimals in the PNL calculator. Also what browser?
[2016-07-14 00:40:19] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : The entry and exit price fields still have the same issue that the limit price field in the place order section used to have. I think it was Sam that linked to the bug report for your UI framework recently. Perhaps I can find that again
[2016-07-14 00:41:51] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Here it is. Also I'm on Opera
[2016-07-14 00:41:52] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : https://github.com/facebook/react/issues/7253
[2016-07-14 01:18:06] rapidtrades : People’s Bank of China sets yuan reference rate at 6.6846 (vs. yesterday at 6.6891)
[2016-07-14 01:18:41] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : rapidtrades: interesting...
[2016-07-14 01:19:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 5 @ 0.01650
[2016-07-14 01:19:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 20 @ 0.01666
[2016-07-14 01:21:26] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : rapidtrades: Where do you find that info?
[2016-07-14 01:21:47] rapidtrades : http://www.forexlive.com/
[2016-07-14 01:22:23] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Thanks. So is that strengthening or weakening the yuan
[2016-07-14 01:22:24] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : ?
[2016-07-14 01:56:03] rapidtrades : its for usd/cnh
[2016-07-14 01:56:46] rapidtrades : sry cny...cnh is offshore
[2016-07-14 02:03:30] migz : Why are we tanking?
[2016-07-14 02:25:08] Tetsuo : Bitcoin is on the verge of collapse! 80$ might hold as new support in 2016!
[2016-07-14 02:29:32] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Tetsuo: lol ur funny
[2016-07-14 02:54:46] zanza : u mean 8$ ?
[2016-07-14 03:03:18] elmorte : No, 8 ETH. ETH will become the new base currency
[2016-07-14 03:25:59] rapidtrades : Tetsuo: u idiot
[2016-07-14 03:33:04] Rado : Lol
[2016-07-14 03:33:15] Rado : he is dumb fuck
[2016-07-14 03:37:03] rapidtrades : i can't tell if he's trolling or genuinely retarded
[2016-07-14 03:48:56] rapidtrades : “When asked if they would like to have sex with me, 30% of women said yes, while the other 70% replied, ‘What, again?’'
[2016-07-14 04:09:18] odieoh : Well I know you've been great to have in bed for me and 80 of my male friends
[2016-07-14 04:09:54] odieoh : So I won't doubt that you do ok with the ladies as well
[2016-07-14 04:21:25] Rado : BTC soooooo boring
[2016-07-14 04:33:47] zanza : anyone having https://hypron.net/ problems ?
[2016-07-14 04:36:44] Rado : zanza: looks like their SSL certificate is invalid
[2016-07-14 04:36:54] Rado : what do they do?
[2016-07-14 04:37:13] zanza : they have to renew it
[2016-07-14 04:37:26] zanza : through a CA
[2016-07-14 04:38:05] Rado : yes
[2016-07-14 04:38:13] Rado : I was asking what kind of website is it
[2016-07-14 04:39:26] elmorte : lol
[2016-07-14 04:40:24] elmorte : Zanza Reminded me of this oldie: http://bash.org/?23601
[2016-07-14 04:41:07] Rado : ha ha
[2016-07-14 05:01:39] rapidtrades : btc too boring? come and get raped by the yen
[2016-07-14 05:02:32] rapidtrades : when i let this stupid loss ride i was like...i can take a 1,000 ppips move....now im like nope
[2016-07-14 05:07:59] zanza : Rado is a BTC charting site
[2016-07-14 05:08:03] zanza : most people use it around here
[2016-07-14 05:29:43] 1QaZxSw2 : so 1 contract on coinpit.io seems to be about 4000 contracts here. that site now has more liquidity
[2016-07-14 05:30:12] 1QaZxSw2 : so for hedging the next time market moves to 700, i may do half my short there
[2016-07-14 05:54:18] zanza : how could they possibly have more liquidity than here?
[2016-07-14 05:55:19] zanza : hat site is full of generic stock images
[2016-07-14 05:56:29] zanza : Yen spiking
[2016-07-14 05:56:44] rapidtrades : shut up zanza
[2016-07-14 05:56:52] zanza : how much you losing?
[2016-07-14 05:58:05] rapidtrades : it's not a losss until u close the trade
[2016-07-14 05:58:48] zanza : when should I open up more SP500 shorts?
[2016-07-14 06:00:16] rapidtrades : im long
[2016-07-14 06:00:47] zanza : exit point ?
[2016-07-14 06:01:49] rapidtrades : never
[2016-07-14 06:03:15] rapidtrades : 2064 doesn't look bad
[2016-07-14 06:08:45] rapidtrades : it's just taking out level after level, sick
[2016-07-14 06:10:50] rapidtrades : the BOJ better deliver helicopter money now or we're back down to 100
[2016-07-14 06:11:10] rapidtrades : none of this negative rates shit wil do now
[2016-07-14 06:11:14] boolander : if i ever see bernanke in the flesh, i will punch his stupid face
[2016-07-14 06:11:45] boolander : proper fk these central bankers have become
[2016-07-14 06:12:43] boolander : FAST RETAILING CUTS FY NET FORECAST TO 45.0B YEN FROM 60.0B - yeah, go go nikkei
[2016-07-14 06:16:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 58 @ 0.01694
[2016-07-14 06:18:29] rapidtrades : yeah frustrating to say the least
[2016-07-14 06:19:12] rapidtrades : it's not just bankers, its all these idiitos trying to front run a nonexisting stimulus
[2016-07-14 06:19:17] boolander : kinda at a loss for words at moment. how many trial balloons are we gonna get this week?
[2016-07-14 06:19:36] rapidtrades : copter money aint happening
[2016-07-14 06:19:57] boolander : perpetual bonds were the next floater
[2016-07-14 06:20:08] rapidtrades : that[s copter money
[2016-07-14 06:20:32] rapidtrades : guy who said that doesn;t even work for gov anymore, he's ambasador now
[2016-07-14 06:20:44] rapidtrades : it's just a big joke
[2016-07-14 06:21:33] rapidtrades : Honda was a special adviser to Abe and now Japanese ambassador in Switzerland
[2016-07-14 06:21:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 149 @ 0.01711
[2016-07-14 06:23:03] boolander : "Bca Monte dei Paschi – may seek to raise up to €4bn of capital (market cap is below €1bn)."
[2016-07-14 06:23:16] rapidtrades : i think everyone is thinking they're america and they can just bounce back like sp5500
[2016-07-14 06:23:24] rapidtrades : maybe correlation algos playing a part too
[2016-07-14 06:24:38] boolander : yeah. fk me. look at spu's go go go
[2016-07-14 06:24:44] boolander : algo algo
[2016-07-14 06:26:47] rapidtrades : jap stocks are still well below highs two days ago while fx is going nuts
[2016-07-14 06:28:06] rapidtrades : we're literally crashing up at this point, amazing
[2016-07-14 07:08:17] rapidtrades : Hamada opposed to the idea, helicopter risk stoking runaway inflation
[2016-07-14 07:08:24] rapidtrades : ^current abe advisor
[2016-07-14 07:09:13] rapidtrades : if there's no helicopter money, yen pairs must crash
[2016-07-14 07:09:28] rapidtrades : they've already priced in additional QE
[2016-07-14 07:45:17] muirtastic : What does "Cross" mean for leverage?
[2016-07-14 07:51:04] elmorte : https://www.bitmex.com/app/isolatedMargin
[2016-07-14 07:56:01] muirtastic : Ok thanks
[2016-07-14 07:56:39] elmorte : basically, you run less risk of getting liquidated in cross, but the risk of loss is not limited like in isolated
[2016-07-14 07:56:54] elmorte : the size of loss is not limited in isolated, my bad
[2016-07-14 07:57:02] elmorte : fck me...
[2016-07-14 07:57:13] elmorte : you run less risk of getting liquidated in cross, but the size of loss is not limited like in isolated
[2016-07-14 08:05:40] zanza : rapidtrades: you have your SP500 exit
[2016-07-14 08:06:27] RoftheN : how sad, my order was never touched
[2016-07-14 08:11:11] rapidtrades : zanza: that was a possible stop not target
[2016-07-14 08:11:53] rapidtrades : also 2064 not 2164
[2016-07-14 09:17:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 83 @ 0.01669
[2016-07-14 09:58:03] zanza : wow 2200 sp500 tomorrow
[2016-07-14 11:17:53] rapidtrades : sharp drop in sp500 on BOE...u would think ppl would learn after brexit that uk doesn't matter
[2016-07-14 11:21:37] rapidtrades : http://news.forexlive.com/!/japan-will-not-be-resorting-to-helicopter-money-via-perpetual-bonds-any-time-soon-20160714 LOL@market
[2016-07-14 11:23:59] rapidtrades : Gov: We're not doing 'copter cash.....Market: Yea you are.....Gov:No we aren't Market: You are....Gov: NO srsly we're not...Market: THEY ARE BUY EVERYHTING
[2016-07-14 11:30:06] rapidtrades : they just misjudged another CB action today....doesn't stop them for rallying tho, f retards
[2016-07-14 11:30:52] rapidtrades : literally just correlation algos buying shit as the Pound goes up
[2016-07-14 11:54:59] zanza : u should close SNP long
[2016-07-14 11:55:07] zanza : rapidtrades: this is a safe exit
[2016-07-14 12:43:02] rapidtrades : ur right let me close the only winning trade atm so im exposed to extra yen rapage
[2016-07-14 12:45:02] zanza : sp might goto 2200
[2016-07-14 12:45:16] zanza : but probably not much higher, and probably gunna drop again
[2016-07-14 12:45:49] rapidtrades : good
[2016-07-14 13:05:13] rapidtrades : what an orgy of buying
[2016-07-14 13:10:07] rapidtrades : when is that eth thingy....in 3 days
[2016-07-14 13:13:19] rapidtrades : so coinbase added eth? wtf is this news?
[2016-07-14 13:13:32] rapidtrades : i thought the whole point of renaming was so they include eth
[2016-07-14 13:49:57] Roevenger : yeah, the market goes retard sometimes, remember the whole skyrocket that happened 2 months ago? All based on DAO release and fake news
[2016-07-14 17:02:43] Rado : Ethereum DAO hard-fork likely on july 20th”
[2016-07-14 17:05:18] rapidtrades : nice tnx for that
[2016-07-14 17:05:25] rapidtrades : why the ***** tho @Rado
[2016-07-14 17:06:02] Rado : *?
[2016-07-14 17:06:13] Rado : it was copy and paste
[2016-07-14 17:06:19] Rado : do you mean the quote at the end?
[2016-07-14 17:07:29] rapidtrades : k
[2016-07-14 18:44:43] nip : good news for factom
[2016-07-14 18:44:47] nip : announcing actual partnership
[2016-07-14 18:45:15] rapidtrades : with>?
[2016-07-14 18:45:37] nip : health care records company i forget which
[2016-07-14 18:45:50] nip : an established one
[2016-07-14 19:09:46] nip : let me find the news. its why fct is up so much today
[2016-07-14 19:11:50] nip : HealthNautica
[2016-07-14 19:22:16] BitMEX_Greg : ETH on the rise too
[2016-07-14 19:47:07] mjones : waiting for coinbase and okcoin to add ETH. or coinbase/gdax/gemini to add ltc. or btc to break up or down 20%-30%
[2016-07-14 19:55:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 1625 @ 0.01746
[2016-07-14 20:01:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 7 @ 0.01752
[2016-07-14 20:27:35] nip : How can I get the values of the premium index that contributed to the most recent calculation of the funding index?
[2016-07-14 20:28:13] BitMEX_Sam : nip: Indices are here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.XBTUSDPI
[2016-07-14 20:37:07] nip : https://www.bitmex.com/api/udf/history?symbol=.FCTXBTPI&resolution=1&from=1468497600&to=1468526399
[2016-07-14 20:37:40] nip : should the funding rate be the average of the close values of that query?
[2016-07-14 20:38:12] nip : or is the calculation something other than the twap
[2016-07-14 20:39:45] nip : I get 0.0089% as the TWAP for the 8 hours of the premium index, yet the funding index is -0.0057%
[2016-07-14 20:42:53] lockhedge : `Funding Rate = Funding Quote Index - Funding Base Index` "If the absolute difference between the Funding Rate and the premium index is less than 0.05% then the Funding Rate remains unchanged. Otherwise the Funding Rate is capped or floored to be within 0.05% of the premium index."
[2016-07-14 20:44:27] nip : 0.0088% is the premium index rate
[2016-07-14 20:44:33] nip : -0.0057% is the funding rate
[2016-07-14 20:45:05] nip : im not sure why there is a difference of that magnitude
[2016-07-14 20:47:55] nip : im not sure why there is a difference at all. The contract specification page says "Buyers pay the .FCTXBTPI8H Index interest rate. Sellers receive the .FCTXBTPI8H Index interest rate."
[2016-07-14 20:48:22] lockhedge : in this case the funding rate is `.XBTPON8H - .FCTPON8H = -0.0057%` the premium index only applies if the difference between the premium and the funding rate is >0.05%
[2016-07-14 20:49:04] lockhedge : see "Premium index" section in the Swap Guide https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide
[2016-07-14 20:50:50] nip : the funding rate did not remain unchanged either
[2016-07-14 20:53:35] lockhedge : i understand that "the Funding Rate remains unchanged" means the normal formula `Funding Rate = Funding Quote Index - Funding Base Index` applies
[2016-07-14 20:54:21] nip : that would be the poloniex rate? i didnt think they still used that
[2016-07-14 20:55:12] nip : im sure there is some method used. i just want to be sure i understand how these swaps work
[2016-07-14 20:59:49] nip : Can anyone from bitmex weigh in on why the contract specifications say "Buyers pay the .FCTXBTPI8H Index interest rate" yet the funding rate is different than that index?
[2016-07-14 21:01:47] BitMEX_Greg : nip: Looking into this for you
[2016-07-14 21:07:40] lockhedge : BitMEX_Greg: same problem for XBTUSD as well. section "Description" is outdated contradicts "Full Contract Details"
[2016-07-14 21:24:28] Rado : rapidtrades: what time is the PBOC announcement every day?
[2016-07-14 21:27:59] BitMEX_Greg : @lockhedge, @nip bear with me, I am still looking into this. What you are seeing is the premium index, but the rate may be different due to where the funding is prior. Take a read through: https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide#xbtusdpi-calculation
[2016-07-14 21:28:16] BitMEX_Greg : It goes through what the floors and caps are. I am just trying to work this out right now
[2016-07-14 21:30:38] lockhedge : BitMEX_Greg: yes you just have to delete the sentence "Buyers pay the ... Index interest rate. Sellers receive the ... Index interest rate." in the "Description" section of the contract specifications because it is not accurate anymore
[2016-07-14 21:34:00] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, what happened there is that this used to point to lending rate index, which was correct, but when we introduced PI the instrument pointed to that as the absolute rate, which is not correct due to the rules in https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide#premium-index
[2016-07-14 21:34:11] BitMEX_Sam : I'm going to update the messaging.
[2016-07-14 21:34:54] BitMEX_Greg : lockhedge: Yes as Sam said it's from before we introduced the premium index methodology. Thanks for highlighting to us, we will address.
[2016-07-14 21:46:43] nip : BitMEX_Sam: so why is the factom swap rate neither .FCTXBTPI8H Index, the last used funding rate, nor 0.05% away from .FCTXBTPI8H Index
[2016-07-14 21:46:59] nip : what calculation is actually being used?
[2016-07-14 21:50:54] lockhedge : it might also lead to confusion that you are using "Funding Rate" for two different things in the swap guide: 1) the rate as `Funding Quote Index - Funding Base Index` (i'd call it interest rate) 2) the rate that includes 1 and the premium index (the actual funding rate)
[2016-07-14 21:51:52] BitMEX_Sam : nip: The current calculation is `(.FCTPON8H - .XBTPON8H) / 3`
[2016-07-14 21:52:23] BitMEX_Sam : which is `(0.0299% - 0.0129%) / 3 ~= 0.0057`
[2016-07-14 21:52:48] lockhedge : why `/ 3`?
[2016-07-14 21:53:03] BitMEX_Greg : 24/8
[2016-07-14 21:53:07] BitMEX_Sam : The .FCTPON / .XBTPON rates are daily lending rates, but funding is charged every 8hrs
[2016-07-14 21:55:00] micmix : lockhedge: hey, I don't see your MM anymore, did you change the size?
[2016-07-14 21:58:05] nip : BitMEX_Sam: so the funding based on poloniex?
[2016-07-14 21:58:15] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, on FCT
[2016-07-14 21:58:18] nip : does it take into account the premium here?
[2016-07-14 21:58:25] BitMEX_Sam : nip: Only when the premium is larger
[2016-07-14 22:02:46] lockhedge : if the formula for the interest rate aka "Funding Rate 1" is not `Funding Rate = Funding Quote Index - Funding Base Index` but `Funding Rate = (Funding Quote Index - Funding Base Index) / 24 * Funding Frequency` could you update this as well in the swaps guide?
[2016-07-14 22:04:13] lockhedge : better `Funding Interval`as in the contract specs instead of `Funding Frequency`
[2016-07-14 22:05:15] Tetsuo : Now that Mark Karpeles is out of prison, he might activate another willybot which will take BTC to a new ATH! I´m all in!
[2016-07-14 22:06:12] BitMEX_Greg : lockhedge: We are going to update the pages as we can understand why there is some confusion
[2016-07-14 22:14:26] lockhedge : BitMEX_Greg: best way would be if you split it in three parts: 1) Interest Rate Index (based on the external reference alone) 2) Premium Index (based on the premium alone) 3) Funding Rate Index (as result of 1 and 2 with all rules/caps applying) ... and the actual Funding Rate as 8h TWAP of 3
[2016-07-14 22:22:22] BitMEX_Greg : Yes we need to redo the section to make it as clear as possible with explicit formulae and examples.
[2016-07-14 22:22:31] BitMEX_Greg : Thanks for the suggestion
[2016-07-14 22:50:54] messiaen8844 : market maker xbj24h gone?
[2016-07-14 22:55:52] BitMEX_Greg : messiaen8844: Just finding out with them now
[2016-07-14 22:58:56] micmix : messiaen8844: getting timeouts from Quione API, MM can't quote without price data from Quoine
[2016-07-14 23:01:01] micmix : I'm not the main MM on xbj24h but I assume main MM has the same porblem
[2016-07-14 23:01:32] BitMEX_Greg : Yes they have informed us of a similar issue and they are trying to find alternative solution
[2016-07-14 23:07:31] Tetsuo : How long will it take untill Mark Karpeles cracks his hidden BTC cold wallets open and market dumps them on all exchanges? 1-2 days? He already confrimed that he will cash out before the chinese hard fork will happen. Smart move
[2016-07-14 23:13:39] Tetsuo : Is Mark the hidden CEO of Quione ??
[2016-07-14 23:22:44] zanza : I think Mark is a hodler
[2016-07-14 23:38:51] 1QaZxSw2 : is commission 0.025% of notional value or margin?
[2016-07-14 23:39:44] lockhedge : all fees on notional value
[2016-07-14 23:44:56] lockhedge : BitMEX_Greg: @micmix what do you think about an international index (similar to OKC's futures index) for XBJ24H? there wouldn't be a single point of failure & you could easily create futures quoted in other currencies than Yen
[2016-07-14 23:46:10] BitMEX_Sam : I think that'll be a necessity soon
[2016-07-14 23:48:11] BitMEX_Greg : messiaen8844: XBJ24H MM is back online
[2016-07-15 00:34:06] subjective : Anyone short BTC here?
[2016-07-15 01:07:41] rapidtrades : good evening jews
[2016-07-15 01:07:51] rapidtrades : or should I say shalom?
[2016-07-15 01:10:40] messiaen8844 : mark orice wron gon xbj24h?
[2016-07-15 01:10:57] rapidtrades : yes seems like it
[2016-07-15 01:11:08] rapidtrades : that one is marked to market no?
[2016-07-15 01:15:57] lockhedge : yes, impact mid price
[2016-07-15 01:17:27] rapidtrades : People’s Bank of China sets yuan reference rate at 6.6805 (vs. yesterday at 6.6846)
[2016-07-15 01:17:37] rapidtrades : small strengthening for Yuan
[2016-07-15 01:18:07] rapidtrades : ton of chinese data at the top of the hour and okc settlement in 7 hrs...things could get interesting
[2016-07-15 01:19:37] rapidtrades : offshore yuan at 6.6935
[2016-07-15 01:30:36] Rado : thanks for informing us rapidtrades
[2016-07-15 01:31:02] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-07-15 01:36:01] rapidtrades : #fuckthemarket
[2016-07-15 01:36:13] rapidtrades : #f*ckthemarket
[2016-07-15 01:40:53] rapidtrades : Japan economy minister Ishihara declines to comment on market levels
[2016-07-15 01:41:10] rapidtrades : guess volatility aint a problem when the Yen's getting trashed
[2016-07-15 01:41:50] rapidtrades : man Asia is so f*cked, this feels like the last hurrah before the crash
[2016-07-15 01:43:30] boolander : +1,000
[2016-07-15 01:43:41] boolander : this ain't no market
[2016-07-15 01:43:54] boolander : some centrally planned madhouse experiment
[2016-07-15 01:44:14] rapidtrades : they're literally buying every 100 level...yday 104 today 105
[2016-07-15 01:44:51] boolander : yes, congrats to the central bankers who puffed those rumors all week for what?
[2016-07-15 01:45:06] rapidtrades : u know in the end the BOJ may not act at all
[2016-07-15 01:45:17] rapidtrades : if the yen weakens enough they will not move
[2016-07-15 01:45:17] boolander : spook the algos
[2016-07-15 01:45:22] boolander : puff the markets higher
[2016-07-15 01:45:24] boolander : buy some time
[2016-07-15 01:45:49] rapidtrades : yeah but we're not going back down now unless china problems start again
[2016-07-15 01:46:05] rapidtrades : bulls are firmly in control now
[2016-07-15 01:46:35] boolander : need more volume on upside moves to confirm
[2016-07-15 01:46:57] rapidtrades : A small bump in QE is priced in now...so if BOJ doesn't deliver, down we go
[2016-07-15 01:47:08] rapidtrades : problem is that's in 12 days :)
[2016-07-15 01:47:33] ymy : where can I see the candlestick chart?
[2016-07-15 01:47:39] boolander : fully tarded agreed. they have bought 12 days of boolishness
[2016-07-15 01:49:35] rapidtrades : noone knows what to make of this move....all the fx analysts are talking about GBP or CAD or whatnot
[2016-07-15 01:50:19] rapidtrades : except this one http://news.forexlive.com/!/usdjpy-will-top-between-106-and-107-btmu-20160714
[2016-07-15 01:50:21] Rado : rapidtrades: which site were you using to trade fX?
[2016-07-15 01:51:31] Rado : are you shorting the YEN now?
[2016-07-15 02:00:55] messiaen8844 : how price will be settled on XBJ24H W
[2016-07-15 02:00:56] messiaen8844 : ?
[2016-07-15 02:01:54] rapidtrades : all china figures beat estimates by little bit
[2016-07-15 02:02:15] rapidtrades : yuan little changed so far
[2016-07-15 02:03:40] boolander : bulls for the win. fuk this sht, i'm outtie
[2016-07-15 02:03:48] rapidtrades : :(
[2016-07-15 02:04:35] boolander : exercise time. clear the head, punch a tree
[2016-07-15 02:05:47] rapidtrades : yuan loans much higher then exp
[2016-07-15 02:05:56] rapidtrades : 1.38 vs 1 trillion
[2016-07-15 02:07:00] rapidtrades : http://news.forexlive.com/!/more-china-data-new-yuan-loans-money-supply-etc-20160715
[2016-07-15 02:07:08] rapidtrades : large credit expansion there ^
[2016-07-15 02:17:08] BitMEX_Arthur : messiaen8844: based on the 11:30-12:00 UTC twap based on quoine's XBTJPY spot price
[2016-07-15 02:20:32] messiaen8844 : Thanks. By the way, Arthur, could you guys have a bot announce here new entries to blog.bitmex.com?
[2016-07-15 02:21:25] messiaen8844 : just an idea
[2016-07-15 02:26:01] BitMEX_Arthur : messiaen8844: announce in the trollbox?
[2016-07-15 02:27:34] messiaen8844 : yes
[2016-07-15 03:13:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBJ24H`: Buy 700 @ 70302.0
[2016-07-15 03:28:34] French_Canadian : BTC/Yen.. low volatility on bitmex
[2016-07-15 03:46:21] zanza : omg this France attack
[2016-07-15 04:01:38] Rado : I bought 5k at 666.66
[2016-07-15 04:01:39] Rado : lol
[2016-07-15 04:01:55] Rado : i think devil will hep me sell at 777
[2016-07-15 04:02:07] Rado : soryy 777.77
[2016-07-15 04:03:24] subjective : Rado: becareful with large dump, u might need a stop
[2016-07-15 04:03:33] migz : Typical btc, the jump before the dive :/
[2016-07-15 04:04:52] Rado : I have a stop
[2016-07-15 04:05:17] Rado : i never trade without stops
[2016-07-15 04:08:47] zanza : with high leverage you need stops
[2016-07-15 04:12:55] Rado : with any trading you need stops
[2016-07-15 04:13:03] Rado : I used to trade stocks and options
[2016-07-15 04:13:47] Rado : I learned the hard way the most important lesons in trading
[2016-07-15 04:15:00] Rado : A loss never bothers me after I take it. I forget it overnight. But being wrong - not taking the loss - that is what does damage to the pocketbook and to the soul. Jesse Livermore
[2016-07-15 04:16:33] jung1 : hello
[2016-07-15 04:16:43] Rado : hey jung1
[2016-07-15 04:16:47] Rado : sup man
[2016-07-15 04:18:23] jung1 : I have to withrawal most of my earings
[2016-07-15 04:18:38] jung1 : I lost like 50% of my eth profit
[2016-07-15 04:19:16] jung1 : have to work more on consequence
[2016-07-15 04:20:57] Rado : you didn't close the short?
[2016-07-15 04:20:57] jung1 : damn over 77 people are dead in that attack in france
[2016-07-15 04:21:21] Rado : was it an attack?
[2016-07-15 04:21:28] jung1 : Rado: yeah, go to make some coffe aaand its gone
[2016-07-15 04:21:29] Rado : I did not read anything
[2016-07-15 04:21:37] Rado : :(
[2016-07-15 04:21:40] jung1 : http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21702260-least-73-people-are-reported-dead-just-two-weeks-countrys-state-emergency-was?fsrc=scn/fb/te/bl/ed/alorryattackinnicesuggestsnoendtotheacuteterroristthreatthatmenacesfrance
[2016-07-15 04:21:52] jung1 : like 12h ago
[2016-07-15 04:22:01] jung1 : "french" terrorists
[2016-07-15 04:24:08] Rado : $2 premium over spot
[2016-07-15 04:33:56] jung1 : https://kickasstorrents.to/
[2016-07-15 04:34:05] jung1 : look at 5th most popular movie
[2016-07-15 04:34:12] jung1 : quite good btw
[2016-07-15 04:52:13] jung1 : I have no Idea why dao still hold the price
[2016-07-15 04:52:24] jung1 : and another +15%
[2016-07-15 04:53:33] rapidtrades : why? cos markets are ppl and ppl are idiots
[2016-07-15 04:55:26] jung1 : Rado: https://github.com/AcaciaTrading/acacia_main
[2016-07-15 04:56:21] rapidtrades : the bears haven't managed to clear a single round figure since this stupid yen rally started
[2016-07-15 04:56:31] rapidtrades : looks like they will failt at 106 again
[2016-07-15 04:57:10] rapidtrades : this is what happens when u have subsided stupidity in the markets
[2016-07-15 05:02:28] rapidtrades : aaaand they just broke it just to prove me wrong
[2016-07-15 05:03:01] rapidtrades : flash crashed 40 pips
[2016-07-15 05:03:07] rapidtrades : f*ck DA BULLZ
[2016-07-15 05:03:35] jung1 : adapt or die
[2016-07-15 05:03:55] boolander : ruh-roh
[2016-07-15 05:04:43] rapidtrades : jung1: don't be a dick
[2016-07-15 05:05:23] rapidtrades : i adapted my trade to an investment
[2016-07-15 05:07:49] rapidtrades : jap stock market lower then it was on july 12
[2016-07-15 05:08:05] rapidtrades : only fx market flying high still
[2016-07-15 05:12:24] jung1 : lisk chart looks like ethereum chart in early stage
[2016-07-15 05:12:33] Rado : jung1: what is Acacia
[2016-07-15 05:12:54] jung1 : trading bot
[2016-07-15 05:13:00] jung1 : they made it open source
[2016-07-15 05:16:36] rapidtrades : what does it do
[2016-07-15 05:17:21] jung1 : automatic trading
[2016-07-15 05:17:27] jung1 : there are 2 strategies. A crossover strategy, and an threshold strategy. The crossover strategy takes 2 indicators and buys when the first indicator > the second indicator and vice versa. The threshold strategy does the same except that the second indicator is a fixed value.
[2016-07-15 05:18:02] rapidtrades : that could be useful
[2016-07-15 05:18:15] rapidtrades : python?
[2016-07-15 05:18:58] rapidtrades : .py is python right lol
[2016-07-15 05:24:33] jung1 : yep
[2016-07-15 05:24:57] jung1 : they discontinued Acacia Trading as a paid service
[2016-07-15 05:25:08] jung1 : it was like tradingview etc