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[2016-06-24 10:29:27] wurstgelee : i really suffer sleep deprivation today, so its entirely possible my brain just doesnt werk ;)
[2016-06-24 10:30:02] wurstgelee : lever set to 50x atm, margin is 27x atm with 25% upnl
[2016-06-24 10:30:06] wurstgelee : doesnt seem right to me
[2016-06-24 10:30:38] BitMEX_Wally : If you have positive unrealised PNL, then that effectively reduces your leverage
[2016-06-24 10:30:44] wurstgelee : oh lol
[2016-06-24 10:30:47] wurstgelee : it does?
[2016-06-24 10:30:57] wurstgelee : did it always do that?
[2016-06-24 10:31:25] BitMEX_Wally : 50x is 2%, but if you have profit 1.7% unrealised profit then that margin is in the position, so you have 3.7% margin allocated in total = 27x
[2016-06-24 10:31:45] BitMEX_Wally : Skitrx: You were not liquidated at 563
[2016-06-24 10:31:46] Skitrx : BitMEX_Wally: i got liquidated at 53.7 but the chart never reached that? could you explain
[2016-06-24 10:31:52] wurstgelee : that makes 100% sense. i blame it on brain malfunction
[2016-06-24 10:31:55] wurstgelee : thanks
[2016-06-24 10:32:00] Skitrx : 563.73*
[2016-06-24 10:32:06] wurstgelee : Skitrx: mark price is important, not the chart
[2016-06-24 10:32:21] Skitrx : none of the indexes were that low -.-
[2016-06-24 10:32:26] wurstgelee : *for liquidation
[2016-06-24 10:32:44] elmorte : Which instrument?
[2016-06-24 10:33:12] BitMEX_Wally : Skitrx: Your liquidation trigger price was 653.70 and then the mark price dropped to 653.53 your position was taken over at the bankruptcy price of 650.50
[2016-06-24 10:33:42] wurstgelee : roughly ~7 minutes ago i assume? :)
[2016-06-24 10:33:45] Skitrx : which is fine, I was just questioning the mark price
[2016-06-24 10:33:55] BitMEX_Wally : You were quoting a mark price $100 below...
[2016-06-24 10:34:04] Skitrx : yeah, my mistake
[2016-06-24 10:34:48] Skitrx : nvm
[2016-06-24 10:35:07] BitMEX_Wally : The raw index price is here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.XBT
[2016-06-24 10:55:41] RoftheN : Where can I buy GBP with Bitcoins?
[2016-06-24 10:56:43] Skitrx : kraken
[2016-06-24 11:00:23] luckynuke : brexit ? :o
[2016-06-24 11:00:59] tscha : I wonder why the crypto markets have reacted so little to brexit
[2016-06-24 11:02:06] tscha : this is not some random "this is good for bitcoin" headline
[2016-06-24 11:03:39] boolander : some marginal buyers of crypto probably just saw his/her life savings evaporate overnight and hasn't allocated any more fiat to crypto's
[2016-06-24 11:04:24] wurstgelee : tscha: i expected some bigger reaction as well by now tbh
[2016-06-24 11:04:25] wurstgelee : prob needs time
[2016-06-24 11:04:25] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-06-24 11:06:24] boolander : see what the central bankers conjure up for confidence and see how risk assets react i suppose
[2016-06-24 11:06:55] BitMEX_Arthur : It never was about Britain but every other EU country on the fence
[2016-06-24 11:07:02] BitMEX_Arthur : Now they have a shining example
[2016-06-24 11:07:14] BitMEX_Arthur : And if the government tries any fuckery, it will just make it worse
[2016-06-24 11:09:04] asdfman : texans will like it too
[2016-06-24 11:09:18] boolander : #texit
[2016-06-24 11:09:22] asdfman : lol
[2016-06-24 11:18:09] BitMEX_Arthur : Departugal, Italeave, Czechout, Outstria, Finish, Slovakout, Latervia & Byegium
[2016-06-24 11:18:12] BitMEX_Arthur : here are some more good ones i heard today
[2016-06-24 11:22:04] rapidtrades : guys i ha a rly heard drream
[2016-06-24 11:22:23] rapidtrades : the UK actually left the EU
[2016-06-24 11:22:39] dorothy490 : once can dream
[2016-06-24 11:22:51] rapidtrades : and get this...I made over 1000 pips in few hours after the pound crashed
[2016-06-24 11:22:56] rapidtrades : crazy right
[2016-06-24 11:23:44] BitMEX_Arthur : rapidtrades: People are still in shock
[2016-06-24 11:24:00] BitMEX_Arthur : some traders had a very very bad day today
[2016-06-24 11:24:05] SatoshiFX : hopefully not finished yet
[2016-06-24 11:24:05] rapidtrades : i have such a bad headache for some reeason right now
[2016-06-24 11:27:18] xzsd : im bad today xD
[2016-06-24 11:40:47] rapidtrades : ECB's Nowotny: We have hundreds of millions of euros to use
[2016-06-24 11:40:59] rapidtrades : I don't think that's gonna be enough lol
[2016-06-24 11:41:35] boolander : What we've seen so far is repricing. Next comes momentum. Then contagion from margin calls. Last stage is #panic. Let's see if it gets there - Jim Rickards
[2016-06-24 11:41:54] rapidtrades : im sure they can divert theor QE toward buying the Pound or whatev
[2016-06-24 11:42:25] boolander : janet, so hot right now. janet.
[2016-06-24 11:42:40] rapidtrades : Draghi but ok
[2016-06-24 11:44:22] BitMEX_Arthur : Dollar going to be strong
[2016-06-24 11:44:30] BitMEX_Arthur : Will cause problems for lots of folkes
[2016-06-24 11:44:41] BitMEX_Arthur : esp. the PBOC
[2016-06-24 11:45:10] rapidtrades : yeah my stupid broker took me out of my long few hrs before brexit
[2016-06-24 11:45:28] rapidtrades : need to send an email about it
[2016-06-24 11:46:42] rapidtrades : i think this is a god send for the PBOC
[2016-06-24 11:46:55] rapidtrades : 'we dun notin wrongs, it was brexits'
[2016-06-24 11:47:32] rapidtrades : excuse of a lifetime...and with markets preoccupied with brexit traders won't freak out like last time
[2016-06-24 12:03:03] tscha : Votes by Age 18-24 25% Brexit, 75% Remain 25-49 44% Brexit, 56% Remain 50-64 56% Brexit, 44% Remain 65+ 61% Brexit, 39% Remain
[2016-06-24 12:03:10] wurstgelee : ofc
[2016-06-24 12:03:26] wurstgelee : those who voted pro brexit have the shortest lifespan left to deal with the consequences
[2016-06-24 12:03:29] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-06-24 12:03:40] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: any reason?
[2016-06-24 12:03:53] wurstgelee : british stubbornness i guess
[2016-06-24 12:03:55] arbitrage001 : not a european. What is the consequence for brexit?
[2016-06-24 12:03:59] Skitrx : racist old people who don't understand politics
[2016-06-24 12:04:04] wurstgelee : prob several reasons
[2016-06-24 12:04:19] Skitrx : the major consequence would be other EU states voting to leave
[2016-06-24 12:04:32] Skitrx : scotland will have a referendum, then northern ireland and the UK will be no more
[2016-06-24 12:05:02] arbitrage001 : Skitrx: that is considered a bad thing?
[2016-06-24 12:05:21] Skitrx : for the global economy, yes
[2016-06-24 12:06:19] haxmb : BitMEX_Arthur: where can you see the funding payments
[2016-06-24 12:06:20] Skitrx : we will have to see how the EU handles this, they want it over with asap to remove uncertainty from other member states
[2016-06-24 12:06:25] BitMEX_Wally : haxmb: Trade History
[2016-06-24 12:06:39] haxmb : BitMEX_Wally: cheers
[2016-06-24 12:07:00] BitMEX_Wally : Just a reminder that ETHXBT, LTCXBT, LSKXBT, FCTXBT are now rebalancing every 24 hours, and funding is every 8 hours with a premium index
[2016-06-24 12:08:31] arbitrage001 : BitMEX_Wally: is it possible trader here vote to limit leverage?
[2016-06-24 12:08:39] arbitrage001 : like the brexit
[2016-06-24 12:09:05] BitMEX_Wally : arbitrage001: We're not a democracy :P
[2016-06-24 12:09:09] tscha : 22 minutes until NYSE opens
[2016-06-24 12:09:50] rapidtrades : itsnt it 1:22
[2016-06-24 12:10:16] tscha : oh yeah sorry
[2016-06-24 12:11:22] Yumi : nice over 20K volume daily on swap lately
[2016-06-24 12:11:27] tscha : I dream of a world with no time zones, UTC everywhere, no summer/wintertime, no nasty date conversions <3 :)
[2016-06-24 12:11:27] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Arthur: so no new 6m quanto? by ur own words u set a limit of 100 BTC which was exceeded for the past few days
[2016-06-24 12:12:43] rapidtrades : 18-24 25% Brexit, 75% Remain
[2016-06-24 12:12:49] rapidtrades : teeen PoWaR
[2016-06-24 12:13:31] rapidtrades : lil morans prolly got brainwashed from early ages with pro-EU propaganda
[2016-06-24 12:13:32] BitMEX_Wally : `DAOETH` settled at `0.00713`. Who would have though it? I guessed `0.99` myself when we launched it
[2016-06-24 12:13:41] BitMEX_Wally : I mean `0.0099`
[2016-06-24 12:13:48] rapidtrades : but the old folks haven't died yet and rememmber the good times
[2016-06-24 12:14:05] asdfman : when will new XBT show up?
[2016-06-24 12:14:08] asdfman : quarterly
[2016-06-24 12:14:19] rapidtrades : also noone will take in a poor-ass scotland
[2016-06-24 12:14:58] Yumi : I asked Arthur last night
[2016-06-24 12:15:09] Yumi : BitMEX_Arthur : Our thinking right now is to move all quantos to the XBJ series
[2016-06-24 12:15:11] Yumi : BitMEX_Arthur : and we are working on allowing you to view the order book and enter orders in USD terms at a fixed USDJPY rate
[2016-06-24 12:15:25] rapidtrades : :(
[2016-06-24 12:15:57] rapidtrades : guys the last quanto standing is sept now
[2016-06-24 12:16:08] macios15 : retest of 4k ?
[2016-06-24 12:16:23] wurstgelee : in case i missed it, what about december contracts?
[2016-06-24 12:16:27] wurstgelee : coming?
[2016-06-24 12:16:30] rapidtrades : nope
[2016-06-24 12:16:38] wurstgelee : nope? oO
[2016-06-24 12:16:43] asdfman : Why not?
[2016-06-24 12:16:51] asdfman : BitMEX_Wally: ?
[2016-06-24 12:17:42] rapidtrades : This sucks man...i asked him and he set a very high number of 100 BTC per day...now we've exceeded that and they're gone
[2016-06-24 12:18:38] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: long dated contract is finished without liqudity
[2016-06-24 12:18:46] arbitrage001 : with or without being listed
[2016-06-24 12:19:11] arbitrage001 : we can still save the short term swap with lower leverage
[2016-06-24 12:19:23] arbitrage001 : othwerwise, people will eventually leave anyway
[2016-06-24 12:19:40] wurstgelee : a lot of people are here for high leverage
[2016-06-24 12:19:48] wurstgelee : so lowering that makes those leave i assume
[2016-06-24 12:19:50] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-06-24 12:20:06] arbitrage001 : 10 times leverage is high enough
[2016-06-24 12:20:13] wurstgelee : arbitrage001: for u
[2016-06-24 12:20:15] wurstgelee : not for me
[2016-06-24 12:20:17] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-06-24 12:20:25] boolander : i read on the "internet" that some of these brexiters were tired of supporting a system that was dominated by political power and centrally planned markets/economies and therefore voted to leave.
[2016-06-24 12:20:28] arbitrage001 : you didnt get hit by dpe?
[2016-06-24 12:20:39] boolander : but, maybe those were the old racists
[2016-06-24 12:20:40] wurstgelee : arbitrage001: not that day, i was out
[2016-06-24 12:20:45] wurstgelee : lucky me
[2016-06-24 12:20:47] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-06-24 12:20:53] rapidtrades : guys its ok cos he was out
[2016-06-24 12:20:57] arbitrage001 : should leverage stay, you will be hit eventually
[2016-06-24 12:21:08] wurstgelee : i got hit by dpe in the past tho
[2016-06-24 12:21:16] rapidtrades : everyone has
[2016-06-24 12:21:18] BitMEX_Arthur : rapidtrades: I did not say there was a bright line level of 100 XBT
[2016-06-24 12:21:20] wurstgelee : i still prefer high lev with DPE tbh
[2016-06-24 12:21:28] BitMEX_Arthur : and any level we did specify was qualified by having new market makers
[2016-06-24 12:21:36] BitMEX_Arthur : and no one has stepped up
[2016-06-24 12:21:46] rapidtrades : fair point
[2016-06-24 12:22:04] rapidtrades : maybe i can whip up some code after i learn python this summer
[2016-06-24 12:22:17] tscha : rapidtrades: stop talking about it and start doing it
[2016-06-24 12:22:21] arbitrage001 : i wont mind being mm if the spread is 500 usd
[2016-06-24 12:22:26] arbitrage001 : or higher
[2016-06-24 12:22:30] wurstgelee : oh, fct MM woke up again
[2016-06-24 12:24:03] BitMEX_Wally : arbitrage001: Spread has to be less than the maintenance margin of 1% with at least 10 XBT of risk on both sides
[2016-06-24 12:24:18] BitMEX_Wally : For us to consider the contract liquid enough to exist :)
[2016-06-24 12:26:20] rapidtrades : bremainers were all over TV today saying how this vote wasn't really about the EU
[2016-06-24 12:26:32] NukeLaloosh : the spread on sept is 17%
[2016-06-24 12:26:33] rapidtrades : check ballot, says right there muppets
[2016-06-24 12:27:24] rapidtrades : guys the EU's cool, ppl are just too stupid and racist to realize it
[2016-06-24 12:27:27] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: why do you think UK should stay?
[2016-06-24 12:27:31] rapidtrades : every leftist ever
[2016-06-24 12:28:15] Yumi : Since the guy who was holding half of open interest on sept got liquidated there isn't really much on the books there
[2016-06-24 12:29:18] rapidtrades : AKA sleger
[2016-06-24 12:29:28] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: thought the same
[2016-06-24 12:29:34] rapidtrades : the ghost of Christmas past
[2016-06-24 12:29:34] arbitrage001 : wont blame him leaving
[2016-06-24 12:29:43] boolander : bitmex is this trollbox licensed and regulated as an official safe space? do you have a permit?
[2016-06-24 12:29:50] arbitrage001 : hot hit by dpe twice same week
[2016-06-24 12:29:55] arbitrage001 : go
[2016-06-24 12:30:03] arbitrage001 : and rules changing on swap
[2016-06-24 12:30:19] boolander : i'm from the government. and i'm here to help
[2016-06-24 12:30:20] rapidtrades : yeah if u get caught on the wrong side DPE can be brutal here
[2016-06-24 12:30:32] ayy_lmao : boolander: are you a trollbox inspector?
[2016-06-24 12:30:41] rapidtrades : u can lietrally lose all ur money with the swings even if right
[2016-06-24 12:30:43] boolander : ticket
[2016-06-24 12:30:44] rapidtrades : let that sink in
[2016-06-24 12:30:45] arbitrage001 : he probably long swap and short long term future
[2016-06-24 12:30:54] boolander : typing too fast
[2016-06-24 12:30:59] arbitrage001 : capture the price differece
[2016-06-24 12:31:06] arbitrage001 : but rules changed
[2016-06-24 12:31:17] j8 : well, june is done, i'm all closed out. taking a break for the summer, time to enjoy the sun
[2016-06-24 12:31:23] ayy_lmao : nice
[2016-06-24 12:31:29] arbitrage001 : j8: have fun
[2016-06-24 12:31:29] rapidtrades : j8: booooooooo
[2016-06-24 12:31:34] j8 : enjoy the halving guys
[2016-06-24 12:31:39] rapidtrades : summers are for quitters
[2016-06-24 12:31:49] j8 : today was a good day to end on
[2016-06-24 12:31:54] rapidtrades : j8: :)
[2016-06-24 12:32:01] asdfman : Naah man stay. lets get busy
[2016-06-24 12:32:04] boolander : good luck to you
[2016-06-24 12:32:07] asdfman : nah ma stay
[2016-06-24 12:32:08] arbitrage001 : j8: uncertanty still high
[2016-06-24 12:32:11] boolander : have a great break
[2016-06-24 12:32:25] wurstgelee : j8: hf!
[2016-06-24 12:32:33] wurstgelee : and cu soon :p
[2016-06-24 12:32:38] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: what size you trade here?
[2016-06-24 12:32:57] arbitrage001 : should i worry your margin call will hit me in the nuts?
[2016-06-24 12:33:07] wurstgelee : arbitrage001: depends. normally or in irresponsible fomo mode?
[2016-06-24 12:33:10] rapidtrades : only 100 pips range in cable past 90 mins...we could be stabilizing finally
[2016-06-24 12:33:11] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-06-24 12:33:15] j8 : cheers guys. might be back to itin a couple months
[2016-06-24 12:33:39] rapidtrades : j8: bye man, have a good one :)
[2016-06-24 12:34:17] wurstgelee : 5 digits @ xbtusd usually
[2016-06-24 12:34:22] NukeLaloosh : j8: thanks for so many answers here. have a great summer
[2016-06-24 12:34:33] Yumi : I couldn't leave with those markets
[2016-06-24 12:34:55] wurstgelee : go on china. you are doing it right
[2016-06-24 12:34:56] wurstgelee : oO
[2016-06-24 12:36:54] luckynuke : c´mon little china :)
[2016-06-24 12:40:07] luckynuke : make bitcoin great again
[2016-06-24 12:40:43] elmorte : j8: take care
[2016-06-24 12:41:40] ayy_lmao : need to build a buy wall and keep the shorters out
[2016-06-24 12:41:45] ayy_lmao : MAKE BITCOIN GREAT AGAIN
[2016-06-24 12:43:02] macios15 : make orlando gay again
[2016-06-24 12:43:08] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-06-24 12:44:39] wotan : hello when i do a bitcoin perpetual swap can i always close my position or i do need to wait 7 hour then win or lost?
[2016-06-24 12:44:52] tscha : j8: cya at the end of the summer mate
[2016-06-24 12:44:58] tscha : j8: enjoy
[2016-06-24 12:45:24] ayy_lmao : wotan: just do the opposite of your order
[2016-06-24 12:45:26] ayy_lmao : to close
[2016-06-24 12:46:03] wotan : ayy_lmao: thanks got it
[2016-06-24 12:47:09] wotan : love that brexit thing muchpanic on stocks
[2016-06-24 12:48:07] arbitrage001 : wotan: saw some companies drop over 20% on the news alone
[2016-06-24 12:48:45] wotan : i was awake nearly whole night to watch it live my opinion its only the beginning other countrys will follow
[2016-06-24 12:49:00] arbitrage001 : whice country is next?
[2016-06-24 12:49:20] arbitrage001 : responsible country or irresponsible one?
[2016-06-24 12:49:26] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 13500 @ 658.84
[2016-06-24 12:50:48] wotan : arbitage netherland could be, scottland could have another vote, even german afd said they want a vote in the future
[2016-06-24 12:51:00] wotan : soain italy france could have some votes too
[2016-06-24 12:51:23] arbitrage001 : wotan: wasn't germany benefiting from the euro zone?
[2016-06-24 12:51:54] wotan : in my opinion we see the collapse of eu and our wolrd finance system in slo motion but when you look back in history its damn fast
[2016-06-24 12:52:23] wotan : no one benefit form eu its a desaster union look where it is now
[2016-06-24 12:52:33] arbitrage001 : some scholars believe brexit is not possible
[2016-06-24 12:52:40] asdfman : lead by soviet comms
[2016-06-24 12:52:45] asdfman : led*
[2016-06-24 12:52:56] arbitrage001 : many high power figures behind the scene want euro zone intact
[2016-06-24 12:53:10] luckynuke : h&s on huobi
[2016-06-24 12:53:21] ayy_lmao : what time frame
[2016-06-24 12:53:27] wotan : yes we will see
[2016-06-24 12:55:00] luckynuke : ayy_lmao: 3h
[2016-06-24 12:56:06] ayy_lmao : u on tradingview?
[2016-06-24 12:56:18] ayy_lmao : thats an unconventional time on most bitcoin charts
[2016-06-24 12:56:24] wotan : hope you guys bought physical gold and silver last weeks:)
[2016-06-24 12:58:13] arbitrage001 : wotan: should the financial and economic system implode, gun will be more useful ?
[2016-06-24 12:58:33] luckynuke : arbitrage001: lo
[2016-06-24 12:58:45] luckynuke : ayy_lmao: i signed up on tradingview yesterday
[2016-06-24 12:59:02] wotan : both would be better, but i cant buy me a gun so i have to buy mainly silver
[2016-06-24 13:04:26] jol15925 : my withdrawal hasnt been released yet
[2016-06-24 13:04:35] ayy_lmao : it will take 20 minutes
[2016-06-24 13:04:42] ayy_lmao : they just started
[2016-06-24 13:04:45] jung1 : morning
[2016-06-24 13:04:45] jol15925 : oh ok
[2016-06-24 13:04:48] ayy_lmao : they have to do it manually
[2016-06-24 13:04:52] jol15925 : damn lol
[2016-06-24 13:05:19] jung1 : any suany suicide so far couse of brexit?
[2016-06-24 13:05:46] arbitrage001 : suany?
[2016-06-24 13:05:51] elmorte : jol15925:
[2016-06-24 13:06:14] jol15925 : ?
[2016-06-24 13:06:16] luckynuke : jung1: obama killd himself
[2016-06-24 13:06:17] arbitrage001 : elmorte: hey, rm was 3.96 before brexit, 4.11 after
[2016-06-24 13:06:19] elmorte : jung1: it's 3 pm you infidel :p
[2016-06-24 13:06:42] arbitrage001 : 3% drop
[2016-06-24 13:06:48] elmorte : jol15925: sorry buddy, first time on iOS
[2016-06-24 13:06:51] luckynuke : elmorte: where are you from ?
[2016-06-24 13:07:50] elmorte : and last time on iOS it seems
[2016-06-24 13:09:27] elmorte : luckynuke: far away bud
[2016-06-24 13:09:42] elmorte : arbitrage001: damnit...
[2016-06-24 13:10:46] elmorte : Didn't realize it went below 3.96 recently
[2016-06-24 13:10:56] elmorte : Below 4 rather
[2016-06-24 13:12:31] jung1 : Marine Le Pen want to same referendum in france
[2016-06-24 13:12:33] jung1 : so it begins
[2016-06-24 13:13:06] arbitrage001 : i dont think france will exit
[2016-06-24 13:13:52] arbitrage001 : the union was started by Germany and france
[2016-06-24 13:14:02] arbitrage001 : to prevent war
[2016-06-24 13:14:08] jung1 : imo uk will also stay but on different rules
[2016-06-24 13:14:15] arbitrage001 : and german beats their ass every time
[2016-06-24 13:14:49] rapidtrades : uk is out bro, done deal
[2016-06-24 13:15:02] arbitrage001 : exiting means france is bending down and have their butt ready to be kick
[2016-06-24 13:15:20] jung1 : haha even scotland want to referendum couse of their independence
[2016-06-24 13:15:36] jung1 : domino effect
[2016-06-24 13:17:46] jung1 : wtf http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/david-cameron-announces-his-resignation---full-statement/
[2016-06-24 13:18:34] rapidtrades : yea so? why wtf
[2016-06-24 13:20:07] jung1 : he started all that immigrants shitstorm and when whe have to take consequences for it he leave
[2016-06-24 13:20:25] jung1 : avarage english politician
[2016-06-24 13:20:44] rapidtrades : i mean giving up power is a pretty big consequence
[2016-06-24 13:20:58] rapidtrades : he lost his job basically
[2016-06-24 13:21:44] jung1 : he know that this cant be good for uk
[2016-06-24 13:21:52] jung1 : so he want to keep his face
[2016-06-24 13:22:06] rapidtrades : he *thinks* it cant be good
[2016-06-24 13:22:16] boolander : this IS good for UK
[2016-06-24 13:22:27] rapidtrades : eventually yes
[2016-06-24 13:22:28] boolander : less government = more freedom
[2016-06-24 13:22:32] rapidtrades : in 1-2 yrs
[2016-06-24 13:22:37] boolander : more freedom = more prosperity
[2016-06-24 13:22:39] jung1 : https://coin.dance/volume/localbitcoins/GBP imo there will be ath on next update
[2016-06-24 13:22:49] boolander : humans acting in their own self interests is good
[2016-06-24 13:22:54] arbitrage001 : boolander: freedom is meaningless without security
[2016-06-24 13:22:57] boolander : greed is good
[2016-06-24 13:23:14] boolander : guns are a great equaliser
[2016-06-24 13:23:53] rapidtrades : so is voting apparently
[2016-06-24 13:24:48] rapidtrades : anyone trading FX or sotcks? thoughts?
[2016-06-24 13:24:58] jung1 : yeah but for countries like poland is really bad information
[2016-06-24 13:25:04] boolander : trade them rapidly
[2016-06-24 13:25:32] jung1 : countries like germany and france will be even stronger
[2016-06-24 13:25:52] boolander : long bond (TLT) on pullbacks and +utilities vs -fins at right spots and some +gold related stuff
[2016-06-24 13:25:59] rapidtrades : jung1: agree with that
[2016-06-24 13:26:05] rapidtrades : time for polixt
[2016-06-24 13:26:11] rapidtrades : polexit
[2016-06-24 13:27:51] jung1 : will be even worst. Most of income are from foreign companies and export. We are winnig couse 1euro is 4pln so we can do same as in europe but 4 times cheaper
[2016-06-24 13:28:32] jung1 : lets wait couple of years unntil Poland will have a border with Chine somewhere on Ural
[2016-06-24 13:28:33] wotan : i hope for germexit
[2016-06-24 13:28:38] jung1 : then we can leave
[2016-06-24 13:28:53] jung1 : wotan: eu i basicly germany
[2016-06-24 13:29:28] wotan : i like poland strong counbtry, german here who thinks poland hungary etc. do it much better
[2016-06-24 13:29:53] boolander : wonder how hedge fund hotel stocks gonna do
[2016-06-24 13:29:55] wotan : germany is getting more and more sick every day
[2016-06-24 13:29:58] rapidtrades : germexit sounds like an exorcism
[2016-06-24 13:30:16] wotan : haha rapidtrades it sounds really strange
[2016-06-24 13:34:32] jung1 : cmon guys dump some contracts
[2016-06-24 13:34:52] rapidtrades : y?
[2016-06-24 13:35:54] rapidtrades : in retrospect im like...man if i traded 10x i would've made so much money
[2016-06-24 13:36:08] rapidtrades : im a coward at heart tho :)
[2016-06-24 13:37:50] boolander : bs
[2016-06-24 13:38:01] boolander : gbp 1000pipppper
[2016-06-24 13:38:03] jung1 : couse I want to go long
[2016-06-24 13:38:16] rapidtrades : boolander: :)
[2016-06-24 13:39:29] jung1 : https://www.change.org/p/sadiq-khan-declare-london-independent-from-the-uk-and-apply-to-join-the-eu
[2016-06-24 13:39:45] boolander : it is a corporation already
[2016-06-24 13:39:48] boolander : DC
[2016-06-24 13:39:49] boolander : ROME
[2016-06-24 13:39:52] boolander : LONDON
[2016-06-24 13:40:00] boolander : corporations
[2016-06-24 13:40:25] rapidtrades : so uk banks were down over 30% today
[2016-06-24 13:40:36] rapidtrades : crazy....when ppl domo
[2016-06-24 13:40:41] laisee : LONDAON
[2016-06-24 13:42:04] rapidtrades : ehre we f goo..sp500 already 50% rectraced
[2016-06-24 13:42:19] rapidtrades : idiots gonna realize brexit dun matter soon
[2016-06-24 13:42:38] rapidtrades : for the USA anywya
[2016-06-24 13:42:57] jung1 : keep an eye on china
[2016-06-24 13:43:28] jung1 : they want to invest bilions dollars in countries like poland czech, slovakia
[2016-06-24 13:44:03] wotan : i think the consequences will be seen in the next weeks and months
[2016-06-24 13:44:59] rapidtrades : uk and EU will be hit hard for sure...rest of the globe, not so much
[2016-06-24 13:45:13] asdfman : boolander: indeeed
[2016-06-24 13:45:18] laisee : once boat people start arriving in Calais ...
[2016-06-24 13:45:50] vbmithr : they will finally go to UK :)
[2016-06-24 13:46:00] vbmithr : They want to go there, no reason to prevent them after all
[2016-06-24 13:46:07] wotan : rapidtrades world is connectet too much, if theres panic in europe it will affect whole world
[2016-06-24 13:46:12] jung1 : laisee: now from other side
[2016-06-24 13:46:29] rapidtrades : wotan: right but thats my point...it is panic....
[2016-06-24 13:46:40] rapidtrades : take US for example, it barely trades with rest of teh words
[2016-06-24 13:46:49] jung1 : question is: will we keep 4300?
[2016-06-24 13:46:56] rapidtrades : Brexit is just a stratch
[2016-06-24 13:47:01] wotan : yes but the reason is not brexit the reason is lost trust and our money system at all
[2016-06-24 13:47:02] laisee : jung1: english channel will require traffic lights for all the incoming/outgoing flows
[2016-06-24 13:47:25] rapidtrades : kekke
[2016-06-24 13:47:44] boolander : i sent a fax earlier to janet@theFed about her outlook & forecast for the economy in the wake of brexit. am still waiting for a reply
[2016-06-24 13:49:08] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-06-24 13:49:17] laisee : boolander: try facebook msg
[2016-06-24 13:49:41] tscha : US stock market too stable... I don't like
[2016-06-24 13:49:47] boolander : tinder
[2016-06-24 13:49:59] laisee : USExit
[2016-06-24 13:50:27] laisee : or the more popular ... u-sexit
[2016-06-24 13:51:24] leetsp33ch : did u guys delist the dao/eth pair?
[2016-06-24 13:51:50] BitMEX_Wally : leetsp33ch: It expired
[2016-06-24 13:51:52] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/DAOETH
[2016-06-24 13:52:14] BitMEX_Wally : We planned to list DAOXBT as a perpetual swap after it expired, but those plans where slocked
[2016-06-24 13:52:26] rapidtrades : but why wally
[2016-06-24 13:52:36] BitMEX_Wally : DAO was DOA
[2016-06-24 13:52:44] rapidtrades : keke
[2016-06-24 13:53:19] boolander : zoiks
[2016-06-24 13:54:08] rapidtrades : where can i go to drink some bremain tears?
[2016-06-24 13:54:25] boolander : londres
[2016-06-24 13:54:38] BitMEX_Wally : French are more Eurosceptic than the British
[2016-06-24 13:54:49] BitMEX_Wally : If the French had a referendum it would be 67% for Frexit
[2016-06-24 13:55:18] boolander : zee french are striking en masse cuz need more wage make for good time
[2016-06-24 13:56:00] rapidtrades : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-24/central-bankers-around-globle-scramble-defend-markets-boe-pledges-345bn-ecb-others-p
[2016-06-24 13:56:22] laisee : but where would the froggies go?
[2016-06-24 13:56:49] boolander : hk
[2016-06-24 13:57:00] laisee : Lantau
[2016-06-24 13:57:02] rapidtrades : only the USD/CNH not retracing...the PBOC is not gonna give up these gains easily :)
[2016-06-24 13:59:42] laisee : Maybe Russia can replace UK in the EC.
[2016-06-24 14:01:02] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-06-24 14:01:39] luckynuke : laisee: i hope. Would be a win win situation
[2016-06-24 14:01:48] rapidtrades : the easy money looks to be ovre in cable....lots of CHOP CHOP
[2016-06-24 14:01:59] rapidtrades : mm dream right now
[2016-06-24 14:02:05] rapidtrades : huge spreads + chop
[2016-06-24 14:03:03] laisee : luckynuke: russian ladies invading europe and cheap vodka .... win win
[2016-06-24 14:04:16] jung1 : rapidtrades: polish exti will be Polend
[2016-06-24 14:04:46] jung1 : an Austria la vista
[2016-06-24 14:04:48] jung1 : hehe
[2016-06-24 14:06:01] boolander : meme box
[2016-06-24 14:06:15] boolander : it's ok, this is a fully licensed and regulated troll box. meme away
[2016-06-24 14:09:31] rapidtrades : watch ur hands ppl
[2016-06-24 14:09:40] rapidtrades : they'e gonna get chopped off
[2016-06-24 14:11:15] asdfman : Livet2015
[2016-06-24 14:11:32] asdfman : aha. screen was not locked :P
[2016-06-24 14:11:35] asdfman : kkkkk
[2016-06-24 14:11:51] rapidtrades : i wonder what sleger is doing on this holiest of days, the day of Brexit
[2016-06-24 14:12:57] rapidtrades : pound retraced to 1.38
[2016-06-24 14:13:11] rapidtrades : prolly not a bad sell at 1.40...with rly wide stop tho
[2016-06-24 14:13:47] bobo : Where can I find information about the Funding Base Index? I'm looking in the SwapGuide, but it does not give me any info at all.
[2016-06-24 14:14:05] bobo : It only sys: he Funding Base Index is a third party source where BitMEX obtains the base currency funding rate.
[2016-06-24 14:14:27] tscha : rapidtrades: you really think you can outperform popular pairs on forex markets sitting on your couch at home?
[2016-06-24 14:15:19] BitMEX_Sam : bobo: That changes depending on the contract
[2016-06-24 14:15:24] rapidtrades : tscha: yes
[2016-06-24 14:15:26] BitMEX_Sam : See https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/XBTUSD, specifically `Funding Base Symbol`
[2016-06-24 14:16:41] rapidtrades : u know why? cos in the olden days they used to filter traders for skill
[2016-06-24 14:16:47] rapidtrades : now they do it for compliance
[2016-06-24 14:17:00] bobo : BitMEX_Sam: I don't see anything about Funding Base Index on that page.
[2016-06-24 14:17:08] BitMEX_Sam : Funding Base Symbol
[2016-06-24 14:17:13] BitMEX_Sam : Click it - that's the index
[2016-06-24 14:17:17] rapidtrades : does he have an MBA, or a programming degree or physics PHD
[2016-06-24 14:17:35] rapidtrades : then brexit happens and they lose their shit
[2016-06-24 14:18:35] bobo : BitMEX_Sam: thanks.. still figuring out how you calculte the index.. hehe
[2016-06-24 14:18:54] BitMEX_Sam : `The BitMEX .XBTBON8H Index is a 8-hour TWAP of the Bitcoin lending rate at Bitfinex ending at 12:00 UTC from the .XBTBON Index.`
[2016-06-24 14:18:56] bobo : it feels not correct.. we are trading above the index, but still get negative %
[2016-06-24 14:19:06] BitMEX_Sam : There are two parts to the funding rate
[2016-06-24 14:19:12] tscha : forex markets are too efficient, information gets incorporated into prices too quickly. look at BTCEUR this night, was way way easier to make money there than on USDEUR
[2016-06-24 14:19:15] BitMEX_Sam : One is the BFX lending rate, the other is observed trading premium or discount
[2016-06-24 14:19:26] BitMEX_Sam : See https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide#premium-index
[2016-06-24 14:19:32] tscha : I'd never go the direct/liquid way when there is an ineffiecient/illiquid/indirect way
[2016-06-24 14:19:33] rapidtrades : tscha: tell that to the GBP pairs last night
[2016-06-24 14:19:35] bobo : BitMEX_Sam: What has the BFX lending rate to do with Bitmex?
[2016-06-24 14:19:57] BitMEX_Sam : It's the best available source for what a daily lending rate should be for margin trading
[2016-06-24 14:19:57] tscha : well, GBP is hard to trade on BTC because the volume is so incredibly low, even for private users like us
[2016-06-24 14:20:13] BitMEX_Sam : It's necessary to keep the swap price anchored at spot since technically the value of a future that never expires is Infinity
[2016-06-24 14:20:16] rapidtrades : meant gbp/usd ror gbp/jpy
[2016-06-24 14:20:30] BitMEX_Wally : For XBTUSD and ETHXBT the premium index is now the dominant source for the funding rate
[2016-06-24 14:21:15] bobo : BitMEX_Sam: I undestand that otherwise the price can go to infinite... but I don't undersant why the lending rate of bfx is needed to keep the swap price anchoreed
[2016-06-24 14:21:16] tscha : yes, but betting on a brexit this night, BTCEUR markets were a much better choice than forex, since the latter incorporated every poll announcement in a matter of seconds
[2016-06-24 14:21:43] BitMEX_Wally : bobo: We are using Bitfinex lending rates as a proxy for the Bitcoin overnight rate
[2016-06-24 14:22:01] bobo : ok
[2016-06-24 14:22:12] BitMEX_Wally : But we have higher leverage than Bitfinex, so those rates were not high enough to entice market makers to short
[2016-06-24 14:22:20] BitMEX_Wally : So we introduced the `.XBTUSDPI` premium index
[2016-06-24 14:22:30] bobo : yes I know you changed this and that..
[2016-06-24 14:22:34] rapidtrades : tscha: dude....i traded last night and made a good deal of money
[2016-06-24 14:22:49] bobo : but in theory it's possible that even though we are trading above spot, we always have negative interest rates.. correct?
[2016-06-24 14:23:12] BitMEX_Wally : The impact bid price is not above spot at the moment
[2016-06-24 14:23:24] rapidtrades : like i said before, not sure if BTC spike will stick...there's no reason why it should
[2016-06-24 14:23:42] rapidtrades : im only long cos we're going up
[2016-06-24 14:23:42] asdfman : reason in markets?
[2016-06-24 14:23:45] asdfman : aaakkakaka
[2016-06-24 14:23:55] bobo : BitMEX_Wally: no? BID 660, ASK 661, sport 659,31
[2016-06-24 14:24:01] rapidtrades : exactly...thats' why i haven't dumped my long
[2016-06-24 14:24:23] jung1 : huobi going for 4400
[2016-06-24 14:24:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 12000 @ 667.40
[2016-06-24 14:24:56] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 3500 @ 667.57
[2016-06-24 14:25:14] bobo : I would say at that time avg is 660,5, so premium is 1 - 660.5/659,31 = 0,0018049173 is 0,18%
[2016-06-24 14:25:17] tscha : moon
[2016-06-24 14:25:50] wurstgelee : !
[2016-06-24 14:26:08] BitMEX_Wally : `(impactBidPrice-fairPrice)/indicativeSettlePrice` needs to be above the current funding rate (-0.-0763%) for the funding premium to be recorded as positive
[2016-06-24 14:26:54] bobo : I know you calculate it that way.. But I would say it's not correct. It's also not clear for people here. I would guess 98% trading here doesn't understand..
[2016-06-24 14:27:23] jung1 : 4400 !
[2016-06-24 14:27:35] jung1 : damn Im good
[2016-06-24 14:28:05] BitMEX_Wally : bobo: The last few prints have been positive: https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.XBTUSDPI
[2016-06-24 14:28:08] bobo : Well... have to think about it more..
[2016-06-24 14:28:38] BitMEX_Wally : It is calculated this way because the current fundingRate is already priced in
[2016-06-24 14:28:44] tscha : BTC theme today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LXl4y6D-QI
[2016-06-24 14:28:48] bobo : BitMEX_Wally: yes, now we are trading WAY above the index
[2016-06-24 14:28:54] BitMEX_Wally : We cannot ignore it, otherwise we get a feedback loop
[2016-06-24 14:28:57] bobo : well, a minute ago
[2016-06-24 14:29:15] wurstgelee : closed my long for now
[2016-06-24 14:29:23] wurstgelee : time to relax, its weekend
[2016-06-24 14:29:25] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-06-24 14:29:28] BitMEX_Wally : 0.316% above the fair value plus the -0.0763% funding rate gives 0.240%
[2016-06-24 14:29:52] BitMEX_Wally : The `.XBTUSDPI` is recorded as a premium above spot but it is measured as the premium above fair value, and then the funding rate used to calculate that fair value is added on
[2016-06-24 14:30:36] bobo : I don't see tjhe feedback loop happening.. but i will study it more..
[2016-06-24 14:30:42] bobo : thanks for taking the time to explain :)
[2016-06-24 14:31:22] BitMEX_Wally : No problem, email wally@bitmex.com if you have any questions
[2016-06-24 14:31:59] bobo : BitMEX_Wally: thanks, maybe i will.. :)
[2016-06-24 14:34:00] dylanm78 : Hi all. This may have been answered elsewhere already but are there any plans for an official bitmex app (iphone or android)?
[2016-06-24 14:34:22] BitMEX_Sam : dylanm78: Not at this time.
[2016-06-24 14:34:32] BitMEX_Sam : I do plan to make the site perform better on the phone in the near-term.
[2016-06-24 14:35:08] Rado : BitMEX_Sam: mobile web is better than native app in my opinion
[2016-06-24 14:35:19] jung1 : BitMEX_Sam: yeah or some app
[2016-06-24 14:35:23] BitMEX_Sam : If it works well, it is - at least it's far easier to maintain and keep consistent
[2016-06-24 14:35:39] jung1 : like tabtrader
[2016-06-24 14:35:45] BitMEX_Sam : I plan to integrate something like http://voronianski.github.io/react-swipe/demo/
[2016-06-24 14:35:54] BitMEX_Sam : We are also working on integrations with apps like tabtrader
[2016-06-24 14:36:03] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: any ETA on mt4? could it happen this year?
[2016-06-24 14:36:17] BitMEX_Sam : I would bet that it is not likely this year
[2016-06-24 14:36:28] Rado : what is mt4 rapidtrades?
[2016-06-24 14:36:36] jung1 : meta trader 4
[2016-06-24 14:36:45] jung1 : trading platform for forex
[2016-06-24 14:37:04] RoftheN : Where can I buy GBP with bitcoins?
[2016-06-24 14:37:19] Rado : lol RoftheN
[2016-06-24 14:37:25] jung1 : kraken, safello
[2016-06-24 14:37:33] RoftheN : oh Kraken, I have that. thanks
[2016-06-24 14:37:35] Rado : don't sell your BTC man
[2016-06-24 14:37:35] jung1 : localbitcoins
[2016-06-24 14:37:51] luckynuke : omg... 10min afk and breakout
[2016-06-24 14:37:53] luckynuke : wtf
[2016-06-24 14:38:08] rapidtrades : that's why u never leave ur post nuke
[2016-06-24 14:38:08] Rado : so no December contract?
[2016-06-24 14:38:13] rapidtrades : no :(
[2016-06-24 14:38:34] Mm bot : luckynuke: why 10mins?
[2016-06-24 14:38:39] dylanm78 : BitMEX_Sam: thanks. To be perfectly honest I prefer Bitmex but currently trading much more volume through OKCoin just because I can quickly use it at work.
[2016-06-24 14:38:45] Rado : I read the email where the XBJ will have quanto and you can USD to buy
[2016-06-24 14:38:50] Rado : don't get it exactly
[2016-06-24 14:38:51] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah understood dylanm78.
[2016-06-24 14:39:03] BitMEX_Sam : Rado: We'll be adding a display mode that will show the XBJ series in USD
[2016-06-24 14:39:11] BitMEX_Sam : So it will trade essentially like XBT24H did.
[2016-06-24 14:39:21] rapidtrades : except in yen...
[2016-06-24 14:39:32] rapidtrades : which is not the default currency for most traders
[2016-06-24 14:39:33] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, but using a daily conversion rate. Since it's a daily contract it will work well
[2016-06-24 14:39:41] rapidtrades : ok let's see
[2016-06-24 14:39:45] Rado : BitMEX_Sam: but we need a couple of different contracts that are long term
[2016-06-24 14:39:48] Rado : not swap or 24H