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[2016-06-24 03:39:04] rapidtrades : cos he said ''offical''
[2016-06-24 03:39:10] rapidtrades : i know its a done deal
[2016-06-24 03:39:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1000 @ 642.77
[2016-06-24 03:39:29] lockhedge : Camden/London 74.94% Remain but low turnout (65.46%)
[2016-06-24 03:39:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 62 @ 641.64
[2016-06-24 03:39:41] rapidtrades : wooooooooooooooooot
[2016-06-24 03:39:45] rapidtrades : BBC aknowledges
[2016-06-24 03:39:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 1 @ 66960.0 :punch: :whale:
[2016-06-24 03:39:56] rapidtrades : 52% for
[2016-06-24 03:40:05] jung1 : wrong side buddy
[2016-06-24 03:40:18] zanza : i just went long silver, if this reverses and STAY wins i will lose a lot
[2016-06-24 03:40:41] zanza : dont f with me UK
[2016-06-24 03:40:54] Rune : it's final now leave
[2016-06-24 03:41:11] aethlios : gold 1325
[2016-06-24 03:41:26] jung1 : time for btc to cost 1325
[2016-06-24 03:41:27] Yumi : so in 8hrs longs here get paid, pretty good
[2016-06-24 03:41:41] rapidtrades : 52 for leave i meant...obv
[2016-06-24 03:41:46] rapidtrades : sry zanza :)
[2016-06-24 03:41:55] aethlios : silver could go 2x the return of gold today above 10%
[2016-06-24 03:42:35] mbaril : where do you trade gold and silver guys ?
[2016-06-24 03:42:39] mbaril : do you use btc ?
[2016-06-24 03:42:51] zanza : my forex broker has a pair
[2016-06-24 03:43:03] zanza : bitcoin deposits
[2016-06-24 03:43:07] rapidtrades : euro just crashed
[2016-06-24 03:43:14] mbaril : zanza: lucky one
[2016-06-24 03:43:48] zanza : myfxchoice
[2016-06-24 03:44:27] rapidtrades : FTSE will open down 8% lower
[2016-06-24 03:44:29] rapidtrades : brutal
[2016-06-24 03:44:32] rapidtrades : bbrutal
[2016-06-24 03:44:53] tscha : soo cool
[2016-06-24 03:45:06] jung1 : imagine now all that calais jungle but on the other side of canal with all migrants thats have to go back from uk hehe
[2016-06-24 03:46:31] jung1 : brexit could be mistake but we will see. UK thinks that they are still empire but could be quite hard if they will isolate
[2016-06-24 03:47:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBJ24H`: Buy 1500 @ 67630.0
[2016-06-24 03:47:15] zanza : holy crap
[2016-06-24 03:47:21] zanza : my silver just went parabolic
[2016-06-24 03:48:13] jung1 : what lev?
[2016-06-24 03:49:13] rapidtrades : zanza: hahahha congrats man
[2016-06-24 03:49:20] rapidtrades : pound 1.33
[2016-06-24 03:49:57] Rado : very nice zanza
[2016-06-24 03:50:04] Rado : what do you trade?
[2016-06-24 03:50:16] Rado : silver future contracts?
[2016-06-24 03:50:19] rapidtrades : SILVER
[2016-06-24 03:50:23] rapidtrades : pprolly cfds
[2016-06-24 03:50:33] jung1 : kind of litecoin
[2016-06-24 03:50:43] jung1 : but in real world
[2016-06-24 03:52:00] jung1 : there will be blood on lots of markets
[2016-06-24 03:52:05] jung1 : cant wait
[2016-06-24 03:52:19] rapidtrades : already is buddy
[2016-06-24 03:52:55] tscha : that was it, I'm going to bed... 6am here
[2016-06-24 03:52:59] tscha : brexit <3
[2016-06-24 03:53:07] mbaril : loll uds is not following china :p
[2016-06-24 03:53:08] jung1 : 5:53
[2016-06-24 03:53:13] mbaril : funny
[2016-06-24 03:53:51] jung1 : yeah cant wait for another country to leave eu
[2016-06-24 03:54:31] jung1 : nice trades during this historical moment
[2016-06-24 03:56:34] jung1 : nigel farage just announced independence of uk
[2016-06-24 03:56:57] Rado : this morning XBTM16 was 580 and 20 under spot
[2016-06-24 03:57:00] Rado : no one wanted them
[2016-06-24 03:57:04] Rado : now 650
[2016-06-24 03:57:15] lockhedge : UK gets hit by markets much harder than the EU, trillions are getting destroyed by uninformed voters (and bad weather in London)
[2016-06-24 03:57:26] jung1 : you should said that in the morning
[2016-06-24 03:57:31] Rado : I did
[2016-06-24 03:57:35] Rado : check the logs
[2016-06-24 03:57:54] jung1 : ping me next time ; )
[2016-06-24 03:58:13] Rado : by the way, do you guys know that even if the vote is leave that prime minister can still veto and say stay
[2016-06-24 03:58:22] jung1 : lockhedge: yeah coould be hard for them. they are not empire now
[2016-06-24 03:58:46] Rado : referendum is just for informational purpose
[2016-06-24 03:59:12] jung1 : shure but imagine shitstorm when they say veto
[2016-06-24 03:59:33] Rado : you think people will do something?
[2016-06-24 04:00:16] jung1 : well there are a lot of uneducated people in uk. great opportunity to destroy something
[2016-06-24 04:02:04] Rado : true
[2016-06-24 04:02:15] Rado : rapidtrades is going to riot on the streets
[2016-06-24 04:02:22] Rado : :-)
[2016-06-24 04:03:18] Rado : rapidtrades: did you short the pund?
[2016-06-24 04:03:21] Rado : pound
[2016-06-24 04:04:37] jung1 : rapid is from uk?
[2016-06-24 04:04:43] jung1 : u wot m8?
[2016-06-24 04:04:45] mbaril : go high go high btc :)
[2016-06-24 04:04:58] mbaril : pound is going down time to get into btc :p
[2016-06-24 04:05:17] jung1 : see ya at 700
[2016-06-24 04:07:05] rapidtrades : yeah hsorted the bitch
[2016-06-24 04:07:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTU16`: Buy 200 @ 817.82
[2016-06-24 04:07:59] jung1 : but will be funny in germany now. all refugees that came there and wait for german passport could not go to uk even with this paper
[2016-06-24 04:08:19] rapidtrades : k:(
[2016-06-24 04:08:23] jung1 : most of them want to go to uk couse of easy language and muslim friendly society
[2016-06-24 04:08:59] rapidtrades : k
[2016-06-24 04:09:01] Rado : nice rapidtrades
[2016-06-24 04:09:25] lockhedge : jung1: a lot of polish ppl will leave the UK
[2016-06-24 04:09:44] jung1 : yeah I know
[2016-06-24 04:10:10] Rado : why lockhedge?
[2016-06-24 04:10:20] jung1 : but now we have in poland about 2mln people from ukraine and they do basic jobs
[2016-06-24 04:10:24] jung1 : as poles in uk
[2016-06-24 04:11:23] Rado : 2 mill Polish in Chicago as well
[2016-06-24 04:12:13] Rado : I was so scared of rekt yesterday when I got Sep at 730
[2016-06-24 04:12:15] jung1 : Rado: if you do not have uk passport and job on paper you have to leave uk
[2016-06-24 04:12:20] Rado : now 850
[2016-06-24 04:12:21] jung1 : same as in australia
[2016-06-24 04:12:37] Rado : I see
[2016-06-24 04:12:47] QuantFocus : can't sell a trailing stop?
[2016-06-24 04:12:51] Rado : who bought Sep at 655 yesterday?
[2016-06-24 04:13:20] Rado : I have a stop QuantFocus, but at the time BTC was falling like a rock
[2016-06-24 04:13:36] QuantFocus : Rado: i picked some up
[2016-06-24 04:13:36] Rado : stop or REKT pretty much the same
[2016-06-24 04:13:48] Rado : I think aethlios
[2016-06-24 04:13:54] QuantFocus : i'm trying to set a trailing sell stop but it's greyed out
[2016-06-24 04:16:57] joequant : I bought september at 690 but I'm hedging with spot
[2016-06-24 04:17:14] joequant : I mean I sold.
[2016-06-24 04:17:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTU16`: Buy 1000 @ 820.57
[2016-06-24 04:17:17] REKT : Choppy waters make solid seamen!
[2016-06-24 04:18:06] mbaril : loll REKT on short.
[2016-06-24 04:18:21] mbaril : poor guys trying to make 50$ on a 1000 buy :P
[2016-06-24 04:18:42] jung1 : http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=USDPLN=X
[2016-06-24 04:19:26] Rado : some MM fucker always puts an order 0.01 under my sell
[2016-06-24 04:20:49] NukeLaloosh : QuantFocus: change the sign on the trail offset
[2016-06-24 04:21:09] QuantFocus : shit, thanks @NukeLaloosh
[2016-06-24 04:23:11] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTM16`: Buy 3421 @ 663.28
[2016-06-24 04:25:30] mbaril : the 1.2 mil of liquidation this morning is probably crying right now
[2016-06-24 04:30:21] Rado : GDAX 688?
[2016-06-24 04:32:49] rapidtrades : longs get paid?
[2016-06-24 04:34:17] boolander : u betcha
[2016-06-24 04:35:59] mikeh : seems the price of bitcoin is determined primarily by margin calls
[2016-06-24 04:37:16] subjective : Ouch my XBT16M got wiped by a less than at dollar at liq price, lucky XBTUSD was alive. Would've double everything with that position.
[2016-06-24 04:37:22] rapidtrades : Pound could be calming a bit
[2016-06-24 04:38:08] subjective : How is Britain exit looking?
[2016-06-24 04:38:16] Rune : it's over
[2016-06-24 04:38:25] Rune : Brexit won
[2016-06-24 04:38:44] rapidtrades : lol subjective so late
[2016-06-24 04:39:01] subjective : Thank you Britain, my BTC salute you
[2016-06-24 04:41:17] aethlios : okcoin weekly still below finex.
[2016-06-24 04:41:42] zanza : SPX sh*t itself
[2016-06-24 04:42:46] zanza : halted trading
[2016-06-24 04:43:22] aethlios : Dollar appreciates across the board, this will push PBOC for more devaluation, I expect soon a new flow of capital in china to start living the country, DXY +2.87%, so china will start increasing the spread soon
[2016-06-24 04:46:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 22 @ 0.02042
[2016-06-24 04:49:19] aethlios : what I mean is that okcoin 3month is very cheap
[2016-06-24 04:53:21] rapidtrades : cheap?????????????#
[2016-06-24 04:53:25] rapidtrades : u call that cheao?
[2016-06-24 04:53:43] rapidtrades : god bless the british
[2016-06-24 04:53:53] rapidtrades : any brits here now?
[2016-06-24 04:54:06] HowDoge : Yep
[2016-06-24 04:54:14] rapidtrades : HowDoge: god bless u :)
[2016-06-24 04:54:19] HowDoge : Just awoke and checked the chat
[2016-06-24 04:54:37] HowDoge : Did we leave yet
[2016-06-24 04:54:48] lockhedge : rapidtrades: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=GBPRUB=X congrats ;)
[2016-06-24 04:55:40] HowDoge : Hah bring on the volatility!
[2016-06-24 04:55:43] podizzle3k : okcoin caught with their hand in the cookie jar
[2016-06-24 04:55:50] podizzle3k : how does it feel to not control the market china
[2016-06-24 04:56:10] podizzle3k : now we finally get a chance to fuck them for once instead of the other way around
[2016-06-24 04:58:14] HowDoge : I played brexit so well for a newbie. My second well executed trade got me a free long :) so chuffed with meself. Cheers guys
[2016-06-24 04:58:30] rapidtrades : f*ck china
[2016-06-24 04:58:36] rapidtrades : and the eu
[2016-06-24 04:58:48] HowDoge : Im learning theirs more than one way to skin the market
[2016-06-24 04:59:15] aethlios : holland to make referendum.
[2016-06-24 05:01:27] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 18 @ 671.01
[2016-06-24 05:03:05] HowDoge : This is quite surreal for me. But we are EU & with any luck TTIP free
[2016-06-24 05:03:31] QuantFocus : hows it feel you cheeky bastard
[2016-06-24 05:03:58] QuantFocus : fuck off work, grab a pint and a bowl of chips
[2016-06-24 05:04:52] QuantFocus : oh, so nowww we trade at premium again
[2016-06-24 05:04:53] HowDoge : Haha. Well we will see if the world turns its back on the brits now and make an example
[2016-06-24 05:05:09] HowDoge : Im just guna sit back and enjoy my bitcions
[2016-06-24 05:05:24] HowDoge : Thx bitmex !
[2016-06-24 05:06:56] aethlios : FED QE4 is on the way.
[2016-06-24 05:07:09] aethlios : rapidtrades: what do you think about PBOC???
[2016-06-24 05:07:22] QuantFocus : oh, can't wait to hear this one
[2016-06-24 05:07:38] QuantFocus : wow, who's the scalper?
[2016-06-24 05:07:54] QuantFocus : 40k buy at 678, then sell at 680
[2016-06-24 05:16:52] rapidtrades : germany: ;this is a defeat for reason'
[2016-06-24 05:16:57] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-06-24 05:17:15] rapidtrades : eurofags everywhere losing their shit
[2016-06-24 05:17:43] aethlios : rapidtrades: in which country you are from??
[2016-06-24 05:18:38] rapidtrades : country X
[2016-06-24 05:18:58] rapidtrades : im gonna pass out from lack of sleep soon
[2016-06-24 05:23:30] Rado : he is really a Marsian
[2016-06-24 05:25:32] XBTXBTXBT : what a beautiful day in great britain
[2016-06-24 05:30:19] rapidtrades : /o
[2016-06-24 05:32:06] ayy_lmao : guys
[2016-06-24 05:32:14] ayy_lmao : today has been great
[2016-06-24 05:32:21] ayy_lmao : i am honored to gamble with you all
[2016-06-24 05:33:13] rapidtrades : o/o/
[2016-06-24 05:34:43] j8 : pretty ridiculous
[2016-06-24 05:35:17] QuantFocus : real question is, new ATH, or where do we hit resistance?
[2016-06-24 05:35:33] QuantFocus : i feel like we're going to struggle with 700 for a bit
[2016-06-24 05:35:53] germanjew : That depends on whether certain exchanges can keep their sh1t together
[2016-06-24 05:36:05] QuantFocus : lol at that name
[2016-06-24 05:36:14] 1QaZxSw2 : i dont think shit is censored
[2016-06-24 05:36:33] QuantFocus : i would count on certain exchanges to do whatever is in their best interest
[2016-06-24 05:38:27] rapidtrades : its gonna be a nuts market open
[2016-06-24 05:39:38] aethlios : QuantFocus: next safe sell is previous ATH and pray for correction.
[2016-06-24 05:44:41] ayy_lmao : dpe free yo
[2016-06-24 05:44:51] ayy_lmao : now lets keep it that way
[2016-06-24 05:45:02] ayy_lmao : i swear if any of u plebs ruin the party...
[2016-06-24 05:45:37] 1QaZxSw2 : dpe free = free double penentration experience?
[2016-06-24 05:45:43] rapidtrades : i just got taken out of my short cable
[2016-06-24 05:46:01] 1QaZxSw2 : what price did you enter short
[2016-06-24 05:46:14] rapidtrades : +760 pips
[2016-06-24 05:46:17] ayy_lmao : it means my sore ass doesnt have to go through the pain of yesterday
[2016-06-24 05:46:21] rapidtrades : right below 1.43
[2016-06-24 05:46:56] rapidtrades : quickest 700 pips in ma life :)
[2016-06-24 05:49:02] ayy_lmao : damn
[2016-06-24 05:49:03] Rado : very nice rapidtrades
[2016-06-24 05:49:07] ayy_lmao : 3.7% down
[2016-06-24 05:49:10] ayy_lmao : 2 scary 4 me
[2016-06-24 05:49:15] zanza : anyone know why USDJPY dropped?
[2016-06-24 05:49:19] ayy_lmao : eur rekting lives
[2016-06-24 05:50:14] rapidtrades : zanza: yen is viewed as safe haven
[2016-06-24 05:53:39] NukeLaloosh : yen at 102. BOJ forced to intervene again?
[2016-06-24 05:53:56] rapidtrades : they prolly did
[2016-06-24 05:54:05] j8 : new highs for `.BVOL24H`, higher volatility than any day of the rally or crash
[2016-06-24 05:56:24] zanza : Britain market opens soon ?
[2016-06-24 05:57:24] BitMEX_Wally : London Stock Exchange opens at 8am which is in 1 hour
[2016-06-24 05:57:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 1 @ 0.02080 :punch: :whale:
[2016-06-24 05:57:40] Rado : Sold a bit of Sept contracts
[2016-06-24 05:57:41] zanza : popcorn on that
[2016-06-24 05:57:43] zanza : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-24/now-its-our-turn-geert-wilders-calls-dutch-referendum
[2016-06-24 06:04:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 180 @ 0.02095
[2016-06-24 06:26:37] ayy_lmao : how do you check yourself on leaderboard
[2016-06-24 06:28:00] RoftheN : Why is my +10% long unrealized PNL lower than my realized PNL?
[2016-06-24 06:28:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `LSKXBT`: Buy 12 @ 0.000571
[2016-06-24 06:31:26] BitMEX_Wally : XBTUSD was rebalanced at 590.88. So if you were long you had realised profit up to 590.88, and then you will have unrealised profit from 590.88 to 657.94
[2016-06-24 06:37:03] 4554 : What exactly means rebalancing? Unrealised PNL getting Realised PNL and added to my available balance?
[2016-06-24 06:37:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 60 @ 653.21
[2016-06-24 06:37:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1000 @ 653.21
[2016-06-24 06:37:41] Tetsuo : Brexit is bad for BTC. Everything back to normal now, let´s continue with the BTC crash
[2016-06-24 06:38:37] RoftheN : Why would Brexit be bad for BTC?
[2016-06-24 06:38:40] 1QaZxSw2 : Tetsuo: one bad bar is a buy
[2016-06-24 06:39:40] Tetsuo : RoftheN: it only recovered that high because of idiots buyin into a fake brexit pump, belivin ATH is around the corner
[2016-06-24 06:40:13] RoftheN : That does not answer my question. You're just explaining why BTC went up. I'm asking why is Brexit bad for BTC
[2016-06-24 06:40:29] wurstgelee : swim with the flow
[2016-06-24 06:40:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 500 @ 647.29
[2016-06-24 06:40:42] wurstgelee : No reason not to profit fome short term pumps
[2016-06-24 06:40:51] wurstgelee : No matter the reason
[2016-06-24 06:40:53] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-06-24 06:41:03] wurstgelee : *frome
[2016-06-24 06:41:05] Tetsuo : wurstgelee: i agree
[2016-06-24 06:41:48] aethlios : I smell central bank intervention in the pound
[2016-06-24 06:42:09] wurstgelee : i will some popcorn @ work
[2016-06-24 06:42:24] wurstgelee : gonna be an entertaining day i guess
[2016-06-24 06:42:34] wurstgelee : *need
[2016-06-24 06:50:55] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: would you say its a good time to trade GBPUSD? What is the best place to trade forex?
[2016-06-24 06:52:48] Tetsuo : BTCDJS: forex is not for noobs, no offense
[2016-06-24 06:53:57] Tetsuo : BTCDJS: forex on these bucket shops is almost like instarekt
[2016-06-24 07:01:01] smagin07 : BRING IN THE BITS BABBBYYYYYYYY
[2016-06-24 07:03:00] Tetsuo : bringin ma bits straigt to the bank , cashin out. friday settlement on the woodchipper is upon us, profits will be turned into cold hard cash :-D
[2016-06-24 07:04:10] boolander : hopefully the bank is still open.
[2016-06-24 07:04:46] Tetsuo : oh noes, WW§ and economic collapse, every minute now
[2016-06-24 07:04:59] Tetsuo : are you going to buy your bread with BTC during the collapse?
[2016-06-24 07:05:05] boolander : this has GFC part deux written all over it
[2016-06-24 07:05:39] boolander : already took the cash out
[2016-06-24 07:06:13] Tetsuo : cash is king, and a few BTC of course
[2016-06-24 07:06:22] boolander : yup
[2016-06-24 07:06:28] Tetsuo : i agrree with you that banks are not the safest place
[2016-06-24 07:07:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 4300 @ 657.93
[2016-06-24 07:08:37] 1QaZxSw2 : its 668 at bitfinex but mark price is only 660?
[2016-06-24 07:08:45] 1QaZxSw2 : doesnt bitfinex have 80% weight
[2016-06-24 07:09:13] j8 : it's 50%
[2016-06-24 07:09:14] boolander : 48 / 36 / 16
[2016-06-24 07:09:51] boolander : oops . 50 / 34 / 16
[2016-06-24 07:15:06] 1QaZxSw2 : i find the mark price does not change realistically. anyone else?
[2016-06-24 07:16:44] 1QaZxSw2 : typically, i see a lag. when the market moves up, mark price is lower than spot, and vice-versa
[2016-06-24 07:17:47] j8 : mark price is the index price plus a basis that decays over 8 hours
[2016-06-24 07:18:17] 1QaZxSw2 : j8: what! jesus christ. this place is full of discovery
[2016-06-24 07:18:52] j8 : the basis at the start of the 8 hours is the funding rate. the funding rate depends on the premium / discount of the swap but there is a lag of 8+ hours
[2016-06-24 07:19:08] 1QaZxSw2 : i accept im not financially educated. is there a place where stuff is simpler but has high leverage
[2016-06-24 07:19:26] 1QaZxSw2 : like you buy at price x, sell at price y, your PL is y-x
[2016-06-24 07:20:02] 1QaZxSw2 : no fancy math that i cant really use to estimate my risk:reward
[2016-06-24 07:20:30] Tetsuo : 1QaZxSw2: o k coin.com
[2016-06-24 07:20:44] 1QaZxSw2 : they dont have dpe?
[2016-06-24 07:21:05] Tetsuo : nope
[2016-06-24 07:21:38] 1QaZxSw2 : but no one has bitmex leverage, right
[2016-06-24 07:22:19] j8 : they have socialized losses which is the same thing
[2016-06-24 07:23:00] 1QaZxSw2 : they call the same thing with a different name?
[2016-06-24 07:23:02] rapidtrades : good f*cking morning fellas
[2016-06-24 07:23:19] j8 : DPE is bitmex's fancy way of branding their socialized loss system
[2016-06-24 07:23:30] wurstgelee : what a great day ahead
[2016-06-24 07:23:36] rapidtrades : oh shit...Cameron just resigned
[2016-06-24 07:23:37] wurstgelee : many popcorns to be munched
[2016-06-24 07:23:43] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: true?
[2016-06-24 07:23:48] rapidtrades : kind of...
[2016-06-24 07:24:17] wurstgelee : yeah
[2016-06-24 07:24:18] wurstgelee : it is
[2016-06-24 07:24:21] wurstgelee : i checkeed
[2016-06-24 07:24:47] wurstgelee : https://twitter.com/PA?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
[2016-06-24 07:28:16] macios15 : finex 670
[2016-06-24 07:28:34] wurstgelee : i added to my longs
[2016-06-24 07:28:56] wurstgelee : if this shitshow today doesnt pump btc, no news will
[2016-06-24 07:29:40] rapidtrades : im keeping my small long but like ive said before....only kneejerk reaction in BTC
[2016-06-24 07:29:58] rapidtrades : reversal likely imo in next few days
[2016-06-24 07:30:10] wurstgelee : few days are enough to profit
[2016-06-24 07:30:12] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-06-24 07:30:25] wurstgelee : shorting in a few days it is in that case
[2016-06-24 07:31:53] rapidtrades : i meant from now...
[2016-06-24 07:32:08] rapidtrades : timing is hard so giving myself few days to be right :)
[2016-06-24 07:32:39] 1QaZxSw2 : j8, you know a lot about how bitmex works. been trading here long?
[2016-06-24 07:32:49] wurstgelee : fair enough.. if timing was easy, bitmex wouldnt work. everyone would want the same at the same time ;)
[2016-06-24 07:33:50] rapidtrades : sp500 will prolly come roaring back eventually as well
[2016-06-24 07:33:51] j8 : 1QaZxSw2: yeah around a year and a half. almost since the start. a lot has changed
[2016-06-24 07:34:05] 1QaZxSw2 : j8: like what
[2016-06-24 07:34:30] j8 : everything.. it used to be like 10x leverage max i think
[2016-06-24 07:34:33] rapidtrades : j8: dam...bitmex was alive back then?
[2016-06-24 07:34:42] rapidtrades : that's like 2014
[2016-06-24 07:34:53] 1QaZxSw2 : i thought they had no volume till 6 mo ago
[2016-06-24 07:35:21] rapidtrades : i came 6 months ago, it was ok
[2016-06-24 07:35:26] rapidtrades : its better now tho
[2016-06-24 07:35:51] j8 : last summer, when they launched 100x daily futures, was when the volume started to kick off
[2016-06-24 07:36:02] rapidtrades : yeah ofc...the old 100x
[2016-06-24 07:36:48] j8 : oh and the UI has changed several times..
[2016-06-24 07:36:53] 1QaZxSw2 : i know this place with 400x but it has nobody trading there
[2016-06-24 07:38:50] Tetsuo : everyone only trades 1 time there
[2016-06-24 07:40:17] 1QaZxSw2 : i have a suspicion we sell off again at 680
[2016-06-24 07:40:28] HQ : Hi all It is first time at bitmex If I want to get 50X profit when I should stop?
[2016-06-24 07:40:51] 1QaZxSw2 : 50x stop as in: start with 1BTC and make 50BTC?
[2016-06-24 07:41:02] macios15 : xD
[2016-06-24 07:41:19] j8 : why stop there?
[2016-06-24 07:41:37] 1QaZxSw2 : should we tell him?
[2016-06-24 07:41:49] 1QaZxSw2 : or should we let him find out for himself
[2016-06-24 07:42:04] 1QaZxSw2 : ok, i'll tell: you stop when you are rekt
[2016-06-24 07:42:20] 1QaZxSw2 : which will be soon, if every trade is 50x
[2016-06-24 07:43:19] asdfman : went 50x long before i went to bed
[2016-06-24 07:43:23] asdfman : 50/50
[2016-06-24 07:44:03] HQ : I see thanks tricky answer
[2016-06-24 07:44:49] 1QaZxSw2 : my experience is that the greedier you are the sooner you rekt
[2016-06-24 07:44:50] asdfman : woke up and closed the 13k contract long from 619.52 @ 645.50 It was a nice morning.
[2016-06-24 07:45:13] asdfman : Hi everybody, I'm asdfman and I'm an addict.
[2016-06-24 07:45:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1 @ 662.67 :punch: :whale:
[2016-06-24 07:45:26] 1QaZxSw2 : of course great profit. except after the dpe, you probably made like 0.05 BTC
[2016-06-24 07:46:00] asdfman : Pending PNL 0.80422632 XBT
[2016-06-24 07:46:55] 1QaZxSw2 : thats great bro. you cant trade it till it clears in 8 hrs?
[2016-06-24 07:47:08] ayy_lmao : he might get some of it in 10 mins
[2016-06-24 07:47:09] asdfman : 4h
[2016-06-24 07:47:26] ayy_lmao : as long as there is no dpe during a funding period, bitmex sometimes releases some of the profits
[2016-06-24 07:47:27] asdfman : still have the initial trade amount avail though
[2016-06-24 07:47:31] ayy_lmao : "sometimes"
[2016-06-24 07:48:18] asdfman : I find XBTUSD is great for small rises and then less so for huge ones
[2016-06-24 07:48:19] ayy_lmao : oh yeah 4 hours
[2016-06-24 07:48:24] ayy_lmao : forgot it was every 8 and not 4
[2016-06-24 07:48:31] asdfman : because the contract is in usd not xbt
[2016-06-24 07:49:17] asdfman : huge I mean 10x increase :P
[2016-06-24 07:49:53] asdfman : So going long @XBTU16 since the contract is in XBT
[2016-06-24 07:50:05] asdfman : looking for that exponential creaming
[2016-06-24 07:50:57] rapidtrades : central scumbags are prolly doing joint intervention
[2016-06-24 07:50:59] asdfman : gains go to LTC while it drops, and then back to BTC after it has creamed exponentially as well
[2016-06-24 07:51:01] rapidtrades : everything is reversing
[2016-06-24 07:51:28] asdfman : what do you mean @rapidtrades ?
[2016-06-24 07:51:29] Tetsuo : bank of england just confirmed to prop everything up
[2016-06-24 07:51:32] asdfman : reversing back up?
[2016-06-24 07:51:49] asdfman : liar source
[2016-06-24 07:51:51] boolander : yes, central banks, please intervene moar!
[2016-06-24 07:52:07] asdfman : the bank that is. liars
[2016-06-24 08:00:47] NukeLaloosh : j8: how to trade bvol?
[2016-06-24 08:01:09] j8 : it's just an index, used to be tradeable though
[2016-06-24 08:01:49] NukeLaloosh : calendar spreads?
[2016-06-24 08:01:49] j8 : you can get exposure to volatility with the quanto futures though.
[2016-06-24 08:01:55] NukeLaloosh : right
[2016-06-24 08:03:48] smagin07 : pay me BOE!
[2016-06-24 08:04:40] boolander : btfd!
[2016-06-24 08:05:03] boolander : in sNp of course
[2016-06-24 08:06:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1600 @ 653.20
[2016-06-24 08:06:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 500 @ 653.21
[2016-06-24 08:07:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 43001 @ 649.98 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-06-24 08:27:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 650 @ 649.28
[2016-06-24 08:27:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 998 @ 643.48
[2016-06-24 08:27:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 80 @ 641.55
[2016-06-24 08:27:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 46 @ 642.22
[2016-06-24 08:27:37] REKT : HODL HODL HODL!
[2016-06-24 08:27:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 35000 @ 641.97 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-06-24 08:27:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 600 @ 641.50
[2016-06-24 08:27:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2000 @ 639.57
[2016-06-24 08:28:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5500 @ 638.91
[2016-06-24 08:28:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3530 @ 639.38
[2016-06-24 08:28:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 1 @ 66625.0 :punch: :whale:
[2016-06-24 08:28:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 6999 @ 637.39
[2016-06-24 08:33:22] Tetsuo : bulls, how u doin?
[2016-06-24 08:33:51] justinlooking : seaty
[2016-06-24 08:33:54] justinlooking : *sweaty
[2016-06-24 08:34:29] aethlios : in a bull run finex to lead in premium against okcoin weekly is very weird thing.
[2016-06-24 08:38:14] charlie : im so confused, why did my liquidation price all the sudden change?
[2016-06-24 08:38:45] blurrrrrp : aethlios: because of the Brexit?
[2016-06-24 08:38:57] blurrrrrp : Europeans buying.. chinese don't care about Brexit.
[2016-06-24 08:39:40] charlie : if i got margin called that would show up in my orders right?
[2016-06-24 08:40:25] aethlios : blurrrrrp: china always leads, not now, but brexit made usd index go up 2.5% which presses PBOC to devalue yuan, so chinese btc should have a premium above west. Maybe demand from west to high now.
[2016-06-24 08:43:01] BitMEX_Arthur : Be patient China will come around
[2016-06-24 08:46:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 120 @ 646.60
[2016-06-24 08:46:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1870 @ 647.72
[2016-06-24 08:51:18] charlie : arthur seriously something is wrong with the unrealized pnl calculation on the position screen or i am crazy
[2016-06-24 08:51:52] charlie : completely possible, but how can it jump from -100 to -10 with such a small move?
[2016-06-24 08:53:40] BitMEX_Wally : charlie: Liquidations don't show up as orders but they are in your trade history: https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-06-24 08:54:15] charlie : perhaps i just dont understand. yeah i dont see any liquidations
[2016-06-24 08:55:03] BitMEX_Wally : You've not been liquidated
[2016-06-24 08:55:55] charlie : i guess i got confused because i saw my margin numbers going crazy and the unrealized pnl went to like -150% then jumped all the sudden to -10%?
[2016-06-24 08:56:02] rullwull : BitMEX_Wally: what happened with XBJ24H, my liq price was 65322, but it was rect however the mark price was much higher
[2016-06-24 08:56:07] BitMEX_Wally : Your ROE?
[2016-06-24 08:56:18] charlie : yeah
[2016-06-24 08:56:28] BitMEX_Wally : rullwull: Your liquidation price is the trigger price for liquidations. The close out price is your bankruptcy price, i.e. 1% below your entry if on 100x
[2016-06-24 08:56:35] charlie : Unrealized PNL (ROE %)
[2016-06-24 08:57:05] BitMEX_Wally : charlie: Your ROE is just your unrealised PNL % multiplied by your leverage
[2016-06-24 08:57:26] BitMEX_Wally : So if you were on Cross margin or 50x and had a 2% loss it would show -100%
[2016-06-24 08:57:32] BitMEX_Wally : If you changed your leverage to 5x it would show -10%
[2016-06-24 08:58:00] charlie : oh shite
[2016-06-24 08:58:09] rullwull : but how come ig the mark price was 67700
[2016-06-24 08:58:11] charlie : is that slider live???
[2016-06-24 08:59:13] BitMEX_Wally : charlie: Changing leverage just changes the amount of margin allocated to the position, it does not change the position size
[2016-06-24 08:59:31] wurstgelee : i does UPNL percentage, not the UPNL amount :)
[2016-06-24 08:59:39] wurstgelee : *it does change
[2016-06-24 08:59:46] wurstgelee : sorry, lack of sleep
[2016-06-24 08:59:49] wurstgelee : full zombie mode today
[2016-06-24 09:00:15] charlie : ok can someone eli5 that slider. why would i want or not want to change it
[2016-06-24 09:00:45] charlie : i thought it only applied to a new position order
[2016-06-24 09:00:48] BitMEX_Wally : rullwull: Your liquidation trigger price was 65322 and when the mark price dropped to 65022.60 your position was liquidated
[2016-06-24 09:01:00] BitMEX_Wally : charlie: That slider changes the liquidation price
[2016-06-24 09:01:10] BitMEX_Wally : It applies to your existing position and any open orders, or new orders
[2016-06-24 09:01:44] rullwull : it didn't drop there, the price was 675555 or around it
[2016-06-24 09:03:05] charlie : so moving the slider wont effect how much i can make during moves right?
[2016-06-24 09:03:11] BitMEX_Wally : charlie: Correct
[2016-06-24 09:03:25] charlie : wow ok i totally misread that thing
[2016-06-24 09:03:34] BitMEX_Wally : rullwull: The fair basis at the time was -2710.4 so 67733.1 - 2710.4 = 65022.70
[2016-06-24 09:03:42] charlie : i was sliding it around like an idiot
[2016-06-24 09:04:23] charlie : so did i get hosed by that
[2016-06-24 09:04:42] rullwull : wtf the fair price, it should be from Quoine
[2016-06-24 09:04:42] BitMEX_Wally : charlie: You have not been liquidated
[2016-06-24 09:05:04] charlie : ok
[2016-06-24 09:05:28] BitMEX_Wally : rullwull: The underlying spot price is from Quoine then the fair basis is added to arrive at the mark price, please see the Fair Price Marking documentation: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking
[2016-06-24 09:05:46] charlie : thats an odd mechanic, but maybe not to experienced people. whats the difference between using that and just setting some limit price sell on your long position?
[2016-06-24 09:06:10] BitMEX_Wally : A limit sell on a long would be to take profit if the price rises
[2016-06-24 09:06:23] charlie : i guess i mean stop
[2016-06-24 09:06:57] BitMEX_Wally : Changing your leverage changes the amount of initial margin allocated to a position. So if you only have 1 XBT and set 5x you cannot open a position bigger than 5 XBT
[2016-06-24 09:07:02] BitMEX_Wally : i.e. 5x = 20% initial margin
[2016-06-24 09:07:18] BitMEX_Wally : Setting a stop is always better than being liquidated
[2016-06-24 09:07:30] BitMEX_Wally : You lose the 0.50% maintenance margin when liquidated
[2016-06-24 09:08:45] BitMEX_Wally : The other benefit of using fixed leverage is you only lose the amount you put in
[2016-06-24 09:09:06] BitMEX_Wally : i.e. if you set 50x you only lose 2% of the value of the position when liquidated, it's like a guaranteed stop loss. Even if you have more margin in your account
[2016-06-24 09:09:21] charlie : i see
[2016-06-24 09:09:24] charlie : thanks wally
[2016-06-24 09:13:25] men : btc has formed cup and handle in 1 hour chart from 22 ... mmm :D
[2016-06-24 09:14:28] men : i think now we are going down, and then a little rally :D
[2016-06-24 09:15:31] charlie : indeed
[2016-06-24 09:15:38] boolander : global markets were in meltdown mode and BTC couldn't even flirt with $700
[2016-06-24 09:18:15] zanza : 670 is important level
[2016-06-24 09:19:18] Skitrx : why is it important?
[2016-06-24 09:19:25] wurstgelee : "were"?
[2016-06-24 09:20:08] zanza : seems like we bounched off it
[2016-06-24 09:20:40] wurstgelee : maybe, not even 12h since the results came in tho
[2016-06-24 09:20:51] wurstgelee : too early to call anything imo
[2016-06-24 09:20:59] boolander : G7 meeting at noon. waiting on baited breath.
[2016-06-24 09:22:41] charlie : what does "cross" mean on the leverage slider?
[2016-06-24 09:22:42] j8 : 670 was resistance in summer 2014. sometimes those levels stick around
[2016-06-24 09:24:48] GreedyGoblin : BitMEX_Wally: there was some DPE percentage the other day in XBTUSD. is there a history where I can see how much less profit I made due to DPE? was the loss covered by the insurance fund this time?
[2016-06-24 09:25:22] BitMEX_Wally : GreedyGoblin: You can see a history of the DPE here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/settlementHistory
[2016-06-24 09:26:06] BitMEX_Wally : The amount of profit taken is recorded as a 'Fee' on the CashRebalance transaction in your wallet: https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2016-06-24 09:28:45] GreedyGoblin : thank you!
[2016-06-24 09:42:45] xzsd : hey
[2016-06-24 09:43:06] xzsd : where i can get some TBTC for use in my testnet acc?
[2016-06-24 09:45:08] wurstgelee : xzsd: Wally should know ;)
[2016-06-24 09:45:27] BitMEX_Wally : The deposit page like to some faucets
[2016-06-24 09:47:18] BitMEX_Wally : *links
[2016-06-24 09:47:31] haxmb : that 1.2 million liquidation yesterday though
[2016-06-24 09:49:27] RSFinance : Where can I see the history of lending profit on my XBTUSD position?
[2016-06-24 09:50:54] BitMEX_Wally : RSFinance: In your trade history look at Execution Type of 'Funding' https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-06-24 09:51:05] BitMEX_Wally : You can filter with `{"execType":"Funding"}`
[2016-06-24 09:51:20] BitMEX_Wally : Negative fee means you received
[2016-06-24 10:02:39] RSFinance : Is there a chart of the historical fee rate?
[2016-06-24 10:03:37] macios15 : #trianglexit
[2016-06-24 10:04:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 549 @ 0.02099
[2016-06-24 10:07:32] jung1 : macios15: siema
[2016-06-24 10:09:44] solesituation : Can you partially close a position?
[2016-06-24 10:09:54] BitMEX_Wally : solesituation: Yes, if long then sell
[2016-06-24 10:09:55] solesituation : Just got into bitmex yesterday.
[2016-06-24 10:09:56] BitMEX_Wally : if short then buy
[2016-06-24 10:10:01] solesituation : gotcha
[2016-06-24 10:10:03] solesituation : thought so :)
[2016-06-24 10:10:33] BitMEX_Wally : RSFinance: There is a chart of the raw premium index that goes into the funding rate calculation: https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.XBTUSDPI8H
[2016-06-24 10:10:53] BitMEX_Wally : See: https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide#funding-rate
[2016-06-24 10:11:42] blurrrrrp : BitMEX_Wally: Can you explain why we see negative XBTUSD premium in the last 3 minutes? The avg of bid and ask is above the index.
[2016-06-24 10:12:25] blurrrrrp : Index 660,41, bid 662, ask 663
[2016-06-24 10:13:06] blurrrrrp : Is it possible to see a calculation for each minute?
[2016-06-24 10:15:22] BitMEX_Wally : The calculation is here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.XBTUSDPI
[2016-06-24 10:15:32] blurrrrrp : I know. They are all negative
[2016-06-24 10:15:45] blurrrrrp : We are trading above index, with big bids of $10k+ above index.
[2016-06-24 10:15:48] blurrrrrp : How can it be negative?
[2016-06-24 10:15:55] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide#xbtusdpi-calculation
[2016-06-24 10:15:59] BitMEX_Wally : The formula is here
[2016-06-24 10:17:23] BitMEX_Wally : fundingRate is -0.002308 and (fairPrice-impactBidPrice)/indicativeSettlePrice is -0.0012307 so add together you get -0.0035387
[2016-06-24 10:19:04] blurrrrrp : So even if were are trading above index, ,it's still possible to get negative index.
[2016-06-24 10:19:13] BitMEX_Wally : In the last few hours of the funding session
[2016-06-24 10:19:59] blurrrrrp : Because you expect the market to bid more because of the negative interest rate, correct?
[2016-06-24 10:20:05] BitMEX_Wally : Sorry, I should have said `impactBidPrice-fairPrice`
[2016-06-24 10:20:25] BitMEX_Wally : `fundingRate + (impactBidPrice-fairPrice) / indicativeSettlePrice`
[2016-06-24 10:21:37] BitMEX_Wally : The funding rate is already priced in because it is being paid in 2 hours, so the premium needs to be more than the remaining basis in order to be positive
[2016-06-24 10:26:35] Skitrx : liquidated at 563 :/ where is that mark price coming from? what the hell
[2016-06-24 10:26:36] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Wally: if i open a 50x btusd position, which has an instant upnpl of -4%, why does it show (31.20x) as margin in open orders tab?
[2016-06-24 10:26:40] wurstgelee : wtf am i missing?
[2016-06-24 10:26:41] wurstgelee : oO
[2016-06-24 10:27:32] wurstgelee : if i use the lever, 35x results in effective 22,2x
[2016-06-24 10:27:41] wurstgelee : and 50x in 30.49x
[2016-06-24 10:27:47] BitMEX_Wally : So opening at 50x means that 2% margin has been allocated to the position
[2016-06-24 10:27:50] wurstgelee : am i retarded and not seing the obvious?
[2016-06-24 10:28:05] wurstgelee : yeah, but if i switch the leverage with the lever
[2016-06-24 10:28:13] wurstgelee : its acting weird too
[2016-06-24 10:28:14] BitMEX_Wally : You have a -0.08% loss from your entry price and the current mark price so that is -4% ROE
[2016-06-24 10:28:50] wurstgelee : but if if switch with the lever - in an open position - it should adjust accrodingly, no?
[2016-06-24 10:29:01] wurstgelee : especially when upnl is negative
[2016-06-24 10:29:21] BitMEX_Wally : wurstgelee: Let me check