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[2016-06-20 06:38:34] jung1 : http://i.imgur.com/aulogpV.png
[2016-06-20 06:43:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 931 @ 0.01446
[2016-06-20 06:46:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 100 @ 0.01425
[2016-06-20 07:04:01] rapidtrades : gm fellas
[2016-06-20 07:04:12] rapidtrades : looks like another great day for bullz country
[2016-06-20 07:13:31] micmix : yep, I have 65% ROE on my XBJ24H
[2016-06-20 07:13:52] micmix : long of course :smile:
[2016-06-20 07:21:31] rapidtrades : dam....how much premium did u pay?
[2016-06-20 07:22:00] rapidtrades : mm quote shit over there
[2016-06-20 07:26:10] aethlios : waves below ico
[2016-06-20 07:26:21] aethlios : ico buble ended
[2016-06-20 07:29:33] elmorte : Which ex is trading it already?
[2016-06-20 07:31:58] aethlios : bittrex
[2016-06-20 07:32:06] rapidtrades : REXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXx
[2016-06-20 07:40:35] rapidtrades : it would be weird to just chill here and crash
[2016-06-20 07:40:53] rapidtrades : it guess it's possible to test the highs and then crash
[2016-06-20 07:55:18] rapidtrades : just chillin at $763
[2016-06-20 07:58:52] elmorte : Arb between spot and june quanto possible?
[2016-06-20 08:00:34] elmorte : swap I mean...
[2016-06-20 08:00:37] elmorte : not spot
[2016-06-20 08:02:39] rapidtrades : possible? sure....its $23 for 4 days
[2016-06-20 08:02:40] BTCDJS : Gm guys. At work. Just have a quick question. Saw a video this morning talking about derivatives. Is Bitmex like a derivatives market for crypto?
[2016-06-20 08:02:49] rapidtrades : yes
[2016-06-20 08:03:18] BTCDJS : shiiieeeett
[2016-06-20 08:03:43] HedgeBitcoin : bitmex takes all counterparty risk?
[2016-06-20 08:04:03] rapidtrades : elmorte: that's 3%....kinda on the high side but as u prolly know if we breakout quantos can go nuts
[2016-06-20 08:04:04] elmorte : BTCDJS: yup, we don't trade the delivery of the actual crypto
[2016-06-20 08:04:11] BTCDJS : and that book I'm reading talks about bucket shops. Same thing practically?
[2016-06-20 08:04:13] rapidtrades : HedgeBitcoin: nope
[2016-06-20 08:04:18] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: no
[2016-06-20 08:04:23] BitMEX_Arthur : BTCDJS: Yes we are
[2016-06-20 08:04:59] HedgeBitcoin : winners > losers = bitmex bust?
[2016-06-20 08:05:11] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: a bucketshop collects all orders from clients and only hedges the net exposure
[2016-06-20 08:05:16] elmorte : HedgeBitcoin: winners + losers + fees = 0
[2016-06-20 08:05:36] rapidtrades : HedgeBitcoin: no
[2016-06-20 08:06:01] BTCDJS : Derivatives is what's broken the economy?
[2016-06-20 08:06:10] rapidtrades : no
[2016-06-20 08:06:18] elmorte : BTCDJS: lack of regulation of the derivatives maybe
[2016-06-20 08:06:26] HedgeBitcoin : in order for me to buy, someone must sell? just like real exchange?
[2016-06-20 08:06:34] elmorte : HedgeBitcoin: correct
[2016-06-20 08:06:40] BTCDJS : No regulation in crypto
[2016-06-20 08:07:12] HedgeBitcoin : ok, so bitmex matches traders, and just collects fees?
[2016-06-20 08:07:15] elmorte : BTCDJS: no economy either...
[2016-06-20 08:07:23] rapidtrades : hehe
[2016-06-20 08:07:35] rapidtrades : nothing to crash here, so don't worry :)
[2016-06-20 08:07:42] elmorte : HedgeBitcoin: pretty much
[2016-06-20 08:07:46] BitMEX_Wally : HedgeBitcoin: Yes, we are the central counterparty for clearing, but we are not the trading counterparty
[2016-06-20 08:08:08] BTCDJS : K
[2016-06-20 08:08:26] BTCDJS : well back to work. C ya
[2016-06-20 08:09:55] HedgeBitcoin : ok, @BitMEX_Wally thank you. I'm excited now
[2016-06-20 08:10:38] HedgeBitcoin : KYC policy apply?
[2016-06-20 08:10:54] rapidtrades : HedgeBitcoin: not usually, no
[2016-06-20 08:11:35] HedgeBitcoin : im in thailand, so just deposit and trade, withdrawal anytime, no passport upload needed?
[2016-06-20 08:11:45] rapidtrades : not usually, no
[2016-06-20 08:13:01] rapidtrades : sites prolly do some checks with lists but most ppl are not affected it seems
[2016-06-20 08:14:13] HedgeBitcoin : simulation trading? demo avail to test UI?
[2016-06-20 08:14:33] rapidtrades : HedgeBitcoin: https://testnet.bitmex.com/
[2016-06-20 08:15:46] HedgeBitcoin : thank you
[2016-06-20 08:17:17] rapidtrades : on unrelated note, can sites pull ur personal data from ur ID number alone? cos i don't remember giving okc so much of my data
[2016-06-20 08:18:18] elmorte : HedgeBitcoin: was BTC banned in Thailand for a while? I remember reading something about it...
[2016-06-20 08:29:31] rapidtrades : finally some movement
[2016-06-20 08:29:35] rapidtrades : let's see if it lasts
[2016-06-20 08:33:12] elmorte : 140k @ 767...liqd or someone hoping for a crash?
[2016-06-20 08:36:37] rapidtrades : no liq
[2016-06-20 08:41:37] rapidtrades : will rekting myself save me from paying the spread? srs q
[2016-06-20 08:42:08] rapidtrades : and how to guide from pro rekters would be cool too
[2016-06-20 08:55:17] elmorte : Yeah, sleger had that....and I think micmix knows too
[2016-06-20 08:55:57] elmorte : I was curious as well, but I'm not sure on 1) the legality of it and 2) the math
[2016-06-20 08:56:20] BitMEX_Wally : You lose your initial margin
[2016-06-20 08:56:49] BitMEX_Wally : Wait until rebalance, then set 50x and wait
[2016-06-20 08:57:25] elmorte : So 2% + 0.075% + whatever fee you entered with?
[2016-06-20 08:58:46] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: why wait for rebalance?
[2016-06-20 08:59:09] BitMEX_Wally : If you have unrealised profit you want to keep
[2016-06-20 09:01:57] elmorte : BitMEX_Wally: I really wish that playing with the leverage slider on the confirm order screen does not affect your system leverage **until** you click Confirm
[2016-06-20 09:02:33] NukeLaloosh : I'll second that @elmorte
[2016-06-20 09:06:02] NukeLaloosh : and also removing margin doesn't seem to work via the popup window, but it can be removed by moving the slider, which means less control
[2016-06-20 09:06:13] tscha : If I have my position area extended on mobile, I set my leverage to 50x accidentally 99% of the time
[2016-06-20 09:06:28] tscha : (while scrolling)
[2016-06-20 09:11:58] mrp1nk : dat wall
[2016-06-20 09:15:32] elmorte : holy fuck
[2016-06-20 09:16:26] elmorte : 30k USD...that's what, 2060 XBT
[2016-06-20 09:16:50] elmorte : minimum...
[2016-06-20 09:22:01] vbmithr : 1.57M
[2016-06-20 09:22:10] elmorte : /50X
[2016-06-20 09:22:24] vbmithr : 1.57M USD still :)
[2016-06-20 09:22:45] elmorte : contracts, but underlying value is /50X minimum
[2016-06-20 09:23:18] vbmithr : 31K USD yes
[2016-06-20 09:24:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 1336 @ 79779.0
[2016-06-20 09:24:57] vbmithr : Is there an incentive in risk taking in bitmex?
[2016-06-20 09:25:09] vbmithr : Since if you get liquidated, you might generate socialized losses
[2016-06-20 09:25:23] vbmithr : but you don't pay them
[2016-06-20 09:25:45] vbmithr : on the other hand if you win, there is not much chance you pay socialized losses if you're the only one to do that
[2016-06-20 09:25:57] mrp1nk : pulled
[2016-06-20 09:26:10] vbmithr : yep
[2016-06-20 09:42:39] BitMEX_Wally : It only causes DPE if the position cannot be closed out using the maintenance margin and insurance fund
[2016-06-20 09:43:22] BitMEX_Wally : XBTU16 is not liquid, no-one seems interested in market making it
[2016-06-20 09:43:40] BitMEX_Wally : It only has 25x so it is actually a 4% cost to get REKT
[2016-06-20 09:45:15] elmorte : BitMEX_Wally: so you lose initial margin + maint margin only?
[2016-06-20 09:46:54] BitMEX_Wally : You lose initial margin only
[2016-06-20 09:47:22] BitMEX_Wally : For XBTU16 initial margin is 4% and maintenance margin is 1% so you lose 3% to the price moving against you and 1% of maintenance margin
[2016-06-20 09:47:41] BitMEX_Wally : Then if the price moves a further 1% there is DPE
[2016-06-20 09:48:58] Bacon futures trader : Don't you need like a 5 point move to make a little profit? Considering taker/maker fee etc
[2016-06-20 09:49:33] Bacon futures trader : Or at what point would you consider mm profitable?
[2016-06-20 09:50:00] BitMEX_Wally : Bacon futures trader: The maker fee is negative, so market makers can make profit at any spread
[2016-06-20 09:51:04] NukeLaloosh : what happens in a situation where the spread is far from mark, making impossible to close a position—can one max out leverage to pull margin off and let it get rekt?
[2016-06-20 09:54:13] BitMEX_Wally : NukeLaloosh: Theoretically, but we try and ensure the mark price follows the last price
[2016-06-20 09:54:33] ted : lot of offers in ehter, is that some one trying to go long or closing a short?
[2016-06-20 09:57:52] BitMEX_Wally : We don't release that kind of information
[2016-06-20 09:57:57] mrp1nk : ted: now way to tell
[2016-06-20 09:58:09] BitMEX_Wally : However, if you trade against them and check the open interest afterwards...
[2016-06-20 10:09:02] elmorte : 0.5765 funding going to longs on ETH in 2hrs
[2016-06-20 10:09:05] elmorte : %
[2016-06-20 10:22:45] micmix : ted: sell into some of the bids and check the open interest. if it's increases someone opened long, if it decreases someone closed short
[2016-06-20 10:23:12] elmorte : it sould stay the same if someone's closing, no?
[2016-06-20 10:23:14] ted : thx guys
[2016-06-20 10:23:25] elmorte : since ted would be opening
[2016-06-20 10:23:35] micmix : elmorte: if he's closing it won't
[2016-06-20 10:23:43] elmorte : yup
[2016-06-20 10:25:34] micmix : 750 bids are main MM, it's not someone opening or closing
[2016-06-20 10:26:37] ted : @you lost me there micmix, how could it not be someone opening or closing, who's MM
[2016-06-20 10:26:55] ted : oh market maker..
[2016-06-20 10:27:06] micmix : MM is market maker, they have bids and asks on both sides
[2016-06-20 10:27:16] micmix : always selling and buying at the same time
[2016-06-20 10:31:15] micmix : ted: orders from regular traders stay at the same price, MM bots adjust their orders all the time
[2016-06-20 10:33:52] micmix : as far as I can see we have one 1k sell @0.01475 and couple buys below 0.01415, everything else are bots
[2016-06-20 10:38:34] ted : @micmix, thx
[2016-06-20 10:45:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 435 @ 752.66
[2016-06-20 11:34:07] yerb : whats up with 1.2 mil contract wall?
[2016-06-20 11:34:15] mbaril : ???
[2016-06-20 11:34:23] mbaril : 1 milllions de wall wth
[2016-06-20 11:34:38] yerb : sell wall
[2016-06-20 11:35:44] mrp1nk : is there a chart for open interest?
[2016-06-20 11:37:37] mrp1nk : anyone arbing dao and eth (short eth, buy dao)
[2016-06-20 11:38:55] elmorte : I did on spot yesterday
[2016-06-20 11:39:36] elmorte : But shit's just getting messier so closed it all
[2016-06-20 11:40:16] elmorte : Was expecting some announcement that would bring them closer to parity again...
[2016-06-20 11:56:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3500 @ 748.85
[2016-06-20 11:56:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 17700 @ 745.99
[2016-06-20 11:56:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1000 @ 747.09
[2016-06-20 11:56:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 10000 @ 742.88
[2016-06-20 11:56:21] REKT : HODL HODL HODL!
[2016-06-20 11:56:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5000 @ 742.73
[2016-06-20 11:56:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 12 @ 744.26
[2016-06-20 11:56:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 6 @ 741.84
[2016-06-20 11:56:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4 @ 743.36 :punch: :whale:
[2016-06-20 11:56:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2153 @ 743.26
[2016-06-20 11:56:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 11000 @ 744.78
[2016-06-20 11:56:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 500 @ 741.69
[2016-06-20 11:56:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 @ 744.21
[2016-06-20 11:57:21] Tetsuo : good riddance BTC
[2016-06-20 11:57:59] germanjew : whats happening to BTC?
[2016-06-20 11:58:10] Rado : correction
[2016-06-20 11:58:18] germanjew : ah, about time :)
[2016-06-20 11:58:25] Rado : no shit
[2016-06-20 11:58:41] podizzle3k : woww bitfinex
[2016-06-20 11:58:46] Tetsuo : and in a few days the so called correction will turn itself into a nice flashcrash
[2016-06-20 11:59:02] Rado : maybe
[2016-06-20 11:59:48] podizzle3k : haha some prediciton
[2016-06-20 11:59:50] podizzle3k : 'a few days'
[2016-06-20 12:00:02] podizzle3k : good luck predicting the next few minutes
[2016-06-20 12:00:09] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 40025 @ 743.51 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-06-20 12:00:23] podizzle3k : wtf
[2016-06-20 12:00:35] arbitrage001 : that was quick
[2016-06-20 12:00:49] podizzle3k : quicker than quick if you check bitfinex
[2016-06-20 12:00:53] podizzle3k : it was $30 in one shot
[2016-06-20 12:01:15] stf28 : shaking all the longs before shaking the shorts, it's raining rekt today !
[2016-06-20 12:01:38] Tetsuo : i have an etry price @ 762.74, any my unrealised PNL is showing me -20%???
[2016-06-20 12:01:50] Tetsuo : while mark is@746.70
[2016-06-20 12:02:06] BitMEX_Wally : Tetsuo: PNL has been moved to your wallet: https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2016-06-20 12:02:11] arbitrage001 : should recover
[2016-06-20 12:02:16] arbitrage001 : as china premium is still high
[2016-06-20 12:02:33] Tetsuo : BitMEX_Wally: ah ,all right, thx
[2016-06-20 12:02:55] podizzle3k : interesting timing on that dump am i right?
[2016-06-20 12:03:03] Rado : arbitrage001: when you say recover do you mean a bounce?
[2016-06-20 12:03:13] arbitrage001 : Rado: yes
[2016-06-20 12:03:18] Rado : because I don't see new highs anytime soon
[2016-06-20 12:03:21] arbitrage001 : bitstamp price not affected
[2016-06-20 12:03:32] arbitrage001 : recover to before dump i mean
[2016-06-20 12:03:35] Rado : bistamp and GDAX slow
[2016-06-20 12:03:38] podizzle3k : shit bitfinex price was not affected
[2016-06-20 12:03:38] arbitrage001 : not recover to new high
[2016-06-20 12:03:46] Rado : right
[2016-06-20 12:03:51] podizzle3k : ok maybe $5
[2016-06-20 12:06:56] podizzle3k : you guys will change your tune when china decides its time to go up $100 in an hour
[2016-06-20 12:07:23] podizzle3k : i dont mean 60 minutes from now i mean in a period of 60 minutes
[2016-06-20 12:07:28] arbitrage001 : podizzle3k: many here dont trade on guess work
[2016-06-20 12:08:04] podizzle3k : its not really guess work when i look at the 1d chart and see nothing but green
[2016-06-20 12:08:30] podizzle3k : i just dont see the logic in going against the strongest bull market in 3 years
[2016-06-20 12:10:42] Rado : podizzle3k: tell that to the people who bought at $780
[2016-06-20 12:11:40] Rado : nothing goes straight up
[2016-06-20 12:11:40] podizzle3k : yeah well if youre gonna buy into a pump you should probably have more than $30 margin to cover your ass i guess
[2016-06-20 12:16:37] Rado : so only Bitfinex had the dump?
[2016-06-20 12:16:46] Rado : volume was not that big
[2016-06-20 12:20:54] Rado : lets see China break 5000
[2016-06-20 12:23:36] Rado : btc going down, but June still holding $30 premium
[2016-06-20 12:24:56] Adura : Speaking of dump, did the site die?
[2016-06-20 12:25:08] Rado : which site?
[2016-06-20 12:26:03] BitMEX_Wally : Our EU datacenter is having trouble getting data from Kraken, Quoine, BTCe, probably because they're all behind Cloudflare
[2016-06-20 12:26:34] Adura : I can't even get into the site.
[2016-06-20 12:28:14] BitMEX_Wally : `CloudFlare system status Network Performance Issues in Europe Subscribe Investigating - CloudFlare is observing network performance issues in some European locations. We are actively working to reduce or eliminate any impact to Internet users in this region. Jun 20, 12:26 UTC`
[2016-06-20 12:29:39] Rado : thanks BitMEX_Wally
[2016-06-20 12:30:22] Rado : Bitfinex/OKC spread now almost $20
[2016-06-20 12:30:55] Rado : I wonder if China will come down or bfx going to go up
[2016-06-20 12:32:44] elmorte : That's a gillion dollar question
[2016-06-20 12:34:41] Rado : on a longer time frame it looks bearish
[2016-06-20 12:35:22] Rado : here is my 4h chart
[2016-06-20 12:35:22] Rado : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/mnJpcZln-One-possible-scenario-for-BTC/
[2016-06-20 12:38:17] Bacon futures trader : such shit liquidity
[2016-06-20 12:38:52] Adura : I can ping bitmex.com, but can't load it.
[2016-06-20 12:39:16] kogroken : Huobi and bfx being ddossed it seems
[2016-06-20 12:39:31] justinlooking : Adura: curl -v bitmex.com
[2016-06-20 12:40:15] BitMEX_Wally : `curl -v https://www.bitmex.com`
[2016-06-20 12:43:58] Adura : You assume I have access to a Linux box, you assume correctly.
[2016-06-20 12:46:17] justinlooking : curl works with windows too, with or without cygwin...
[2016-06-20 12:46:18] Adura : Stuck after the TLS handshake.
[2016-06-20 12:50:45] justinlooking : Adura, got a proxy u can to try a different route in?
[2016-06-20 12:52:23] justinlooking : AWS free tier is perfect, get a linux instance and install tinyproxy
[2016-06-20 12:57:13] Adura : I just can't connect, hah.
[2016-06-20 13:02:25] Adura : Site works now.
[2016-06-20 13:06:04] BitMEX_Wally : Adura: I don't suppose your tier-2 provider is the same as the one Cloudflare in Europe?
[2016-06-20 13:06:25] Adura : 12 * ldn-b1-link.telia.net (62.115.114.127) 178.212 ms ldn-b1-link.telia.net (62.115.114.143) 182.337 ms
[2016-06-20 13:06:37] Adura : Last thing on traceroute before it was resolved.
[2016-06-20 13:08:07] BitMEX_Wally : Adura: Are you a Clef user?
[2016-06-20 13:08:13] Adura : Nope.
[2016-06-20 13:13:46] Adura : "Real-time Connection to BitMEX Lost."
[2016-06-20 13:16:10] Adura : It's back.
[2016-06-20 13:35:11] JMG99 : yesterday's withdrawals not cleared yet?
[2016-06-20 13:37:50] BitMEX_Wally : JMG99: They've been broadcast
[2016-06-20 13:46:58] lrs13 : Hi, can anyone help me in how to short the DAO?
[2016-06-20 13:47:06] lrs13 : Or is there no market for that?
[2016-06-20 13:47:41] lrs13 : No BTC DAO short?
[2016-06-20 13:47:47] lrs13 : Just DAO ETC?
[2016-06-20 13:48:18] BitMEX_Wally : You can short `DAOETH` and then short `ETHXBT` too
[2016-06-20 13:48:40] BitMEX_Wally : Although `DAOETH` is a future that expires in 4 days
[2016-06-20 13:48:52] lrs13 : Wow. And this is the only one that does it?
[2016-06-20 13:48:55] lrs13 : Exchange
[2016-06-20 13:49:35] BitMEX_Wally : When we launched we were the only place to trade leveraged DAO, and the only place to short it
[2016-06-20 13:49:37] Tedy : 100k buy order seems like er arr going to fly noe
[2016-06-20 13:51:19] lrs13 : Wally : How would I divide the DAOETH and ETHXBT short, to get the best uhm.. DAOXBT short?
[2016-06-20 13:52:44] lrs13 : Ah, nevermind. I think I got it
[2016-06-20 13:52:52] Rado : lrs13: as Wally said DAO contract expires in 4 days
[2016-06-20 13:53:12] Rado : unless you think it will go down really fast I wouldn't advice trading it
[2016-06-20 13:53:13] BitMEX_Wally : The fate of DAO and ETH are pretty much linked, so personally I would just short ETHXBT
[2016-06-20 13:53:14] lrs13 : So every contract will be closed then?
[2016-06-20 13:53:25] BitMEX_Wally : Yes
[2016-06-20 13:53:30] Rado : there you go
[2016-06-20 13:53:35] Rado : agreed BitMEX_Wally
[2016-06-20 13:53:41] BitMEX_Wally : If DAO was not such a clusterfuck we might have launched DAOXBT after that future expired
[2016-06-20 13:55:01] lrs13 : Why is it closed? Because of the uncertanity of the soft fork?
[2016-06-20 13:55:41] BitMEX_Wally : We launched DAOETH as a quanto future with a fixed expiry
[2016-06-20 13:55:47] Rado : someone trying to buy a bunch of XBTUSD
[2016-06-20 13:55:58] BitMEX_Wally : We could not launch it as a swap at the time because there was no spot market for DAO
[2016-06-20 13:56:21] lrs13 : I see
[2016-06-20 14:00:07] Tedy : Rado: we are at the end of triangel and just double bottom. Could be perfect time to buy now tho
[2016-06-20 14:00:30] Rado : ETH?
[2016-06-20 14:00:51] Rado : or BTC
[2016-06-20 14:01:45] Speran49 : Can anyone explain to me why my only says +.09 but my raw shows -.016??
[2016-06-20 14:01:57] Tedy : BTC
[2016-06-20 14:02:07] Speran49 : My PNL*** not only
[2016-06-20 14:02:31] Tedy : Speran49: market price is different from the buy price you see hete
[2016-06-20 14:02:57] Speran49 : So did I make.money or lose money on the short? This is very strange
[2016-06-20 14:03:26] BitMEX_Wally : Speran49: The 'Realised PNL' shown in the Open Positions tab is cumulative. If you hover over it then it just shows the PNL in the last 24 hours
[2016-06-20 14:03:26] Speran49 : I open at 763 and close at 750 but still lose money?
[2016-06-20 14:03:47] arbitrage001 : party time
[2016-06-20 14:03:51] arbitrage001 : short short
[2016-06-20 14:05:21] Speran49 : I'm looking at the closed trade and it says realised PNL +.09 and RAW realised PNL -.016 so how did that happen? It seems I did lose money instead of making as I should have...
[2016-06-20 14:06:16] BitMEX_Wally : 0.09 XBT is over the lifetime of all your XBTUSD trading
[2016-06-20 14:07:22] Speran49 : Yes but on just this trade. Why did I lose money? I traded in the correct direction and closed at what should have been a profit
[2016-06-20 14:07:23] BitMEX_Wally : The -0.0146303 is from the last hour and half, i.e the PNL from the rebalance price of 743.51 to your exit price of 750.5. Plus the funding you received
[2016-06-20 14:08:07] Speran49 : Does this happen often?
[2016-06-20 14:08:17] BitMEX_Wally : Rebalancing happens every 24 hours
[2016-06-20 14:08:44] Speran49 : And so my loss is primarily caused by the rebalancing? If I'd sold below 743 I'd have made a profit?
[2016-06-20 14:08:58] BitMEX_Wally : The profit from your entry price 762.00 to the rebalance price of 743.51 plus the funding you received was included in yesterday's rebalance and has been paid into your wallet
[2016-06-20 14:09:34] Speran49 : Hmm is there anywhere I can see a detailed breakdown of all these transaction?
[2016-06-20 14:09:45] Speran49 : I see history but it is very general...
[2016-06-20 14:09:53] Rado : in trade history
[2016-06-20 14:09:56] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2016-06-20 14:10:09] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-06-20 14:13:10] Speran49 : Trades don't give any relation to total acct value. Wallet just seems to be going down randomly.
[2016-06-20 14:13:17] Speran49 : Anyway to better relate the two?
[2016-06-20 14:13:37] BitMEX_Wally : Speran49: We are working on exposing a trade history with PNL, in the mean time I can email it to you
[2016-06-20 14:13:58] BitMEX_Wally : Email me support@bitmex.com and I'll reply ASAP with the data
[2016-06-20 14:14:10] Speran49 : That would be great. I want to jsut see if I want from .06 to .11 to .1 finally
[2016-06-20 14:15:17] stf28 : hi there, happy to see i'm not the only one asking for more readable history :)
[2016-06-20 14:15:37] Speran49 : Email sent
[2016-06-20 14:16:24] stf28 : you guys have seen how it's on kraken? all trades, balance, available with detailed execution information, less easy to read than history here but with such products customers here should'nt be afraid of detailed information
[2016-06-20 14:17:00] Speran49 : I just want to see fees/cost + total wallet balance after every trade
[2016-06-20 14:17:06] Speran49 : That's all haha
[2016-06-20 14:20:39] Rado : no rekt going on right now
[2016-06-20 14:20:49] Rado : interesting
[2016-06-20 14:22:23] Rado : BitMEX_Wally: charts are not loading
[2016-06-20 14:22:26] Rado : is it only me?
[2016-06-20 14:23:13] BitMEX_Sam : Rado: Yes, working fine here - go to https://www.bitmex.com/app/preferences and click "Clear" at the very bottom
[2016-06-20 14:23:51] Rado : that worked
[2016-06-20 14:23:56] Rado : cleared my layout as well
[2016-06-20 14:24:00] Rado : :-)
[2016-06-20 14:24:53] BitMEX_Wally : Speran49: Sent
[2016-06-20 14:26:05] Bacon futures trader : Does adjusting leverage cost money?
[2016-06-20 14:26:47] BitMEX_Sam : Bacon futures trader: No, it only reassigns how margin is distributed
[2016-06-20 14:30:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 20800 @ 739.93 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-06-20 14:30:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5000 @ 739.32
[2016-06-20 14:30:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 6930 @ 739.82
[2016-06-20 14:30:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 25 @ 763.20
[2016-06-20 14:30:39] REKT : HODL HODL HODL!
[2016-06-20 14:30:39] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4500 @ 738.36
[2016-06-20 14:30:39] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 250 @ 738.19
[2016-06-20 14:30:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 544 @ 737.22
[2016-06-20 14:31:27] justinlooking : btfd?
[2016-06-20 14:32:50] mrp1nk : nice discoiunt
[2016-06-20 14:32:57] mrp1nk : ups
[2016-06-20 14:33:00] mrp1nk : wrong messag
[2016-06-20 14:33:12] mrp1nk : i mean: btf!d
[2016-06-20 14:35:32] BTCDJS : Bull run cancelled huh? Clad I closed long
[2016-06-20 14:35:40] BTCDJS : glad
[2016-06-20 14:40:26] justinlooking : pretty weak sell off :/
[2016-06-20 14:47:19] BTCDJS : Maybe. If it drops bellow 710 it's over
[2016-06-20 14:49:48] elmorte : BTCDJS: one time I decided to get bullish...
[2016-06-20 14:50:59] BTCDJS : elmorte: too late to the party mate. Come back 600s
[2016-06-20 14:54:53] Rado : so painful to trade June
[2016-06-20 14:54:57] Rado : no liquidity
[2016-06-20 14:55:04] Rado : I was able to close my short
[2016-06-20 14:55:24] Rado : but better stick to swap
[2016-06-20 14:56:02] bobo : hey wally.. where is your server located?
[2016-06-20 14:56:15] bobo : country/city will do
[2016-06-20 14:56:25] justinlooking : bit more like it
[2016-06-20 14:56:29] macios15 : crash crash
[2016-06-20 14:56:38] justinlooking : bobo: think is amazon eu-west (ireland)
[2016-06-20 14:56:42] arbitrage001 : here we go again
[2016-06-20 14:56:56] arbitrage001 : glad the rekt is clear
[2016-06-20 14:59:56] bobo : justinlooking: thanks
[2016-06-20 15:00:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1002 @ 735.09
[2016-06-20 15:01:30] luckynuke : there they are
[2016-06-20 15:07:17] Rado : who is leading at th emoment
[2016-06-20 15:07:19] Rado : the
[2016-06-20 15:07:27] Rado : Bitfinex?
[2016-06-20 15:07:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 7800 @ 733.64
[2016-06-20 15:07:47] aethlios : Rado: yes finex selling
[2016-06-20 15:07:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 7 @ 733.02
[2016-06-20 15:08:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 200 @ 732.09
[2016-06-20 15:08:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 250000 @ 730.41 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-06-20 15:08:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 311 @ 730.76
[2016-06-20 15:09:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100014 @ 730.18 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-06-20 15:09:15] arbitrage001 : o no
[2016-06-20 15:09:22] rapidtrades : guys cmon...at least clear sept
[2016-06-20 15:09:23] arbitrage001 : bouce back !
[2016-06-20 15:09:26] justinlooking : ah shit
[2016-06-20 15:09:28] Tedy : Holy shit
[2016-06-20 15:09:36] rapidtrades : sept hasn't moved down $1
[2016-06-20 15:09:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3000 @ 728.00
[2016-06-20 15:09:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 300 @ 727.89
[2016-06-20 15:10:16] rapidtrades : seems a low volume dump no?
[2016-06-20 15:10:25] arbitrage001 : nope
[2016-06-20 15:10:27] rapidtrades : tiny liqs on okc futures
[2016-06-20 15:10:39] rapidtrades : ok one 5k just went thru
[2016-06-20 15:10:45] rapidtrades : but rest were <1k
[2016-06-20 15:10:54] arbitrage001 : did we clear the rekt?
[2016-06-20 15:10:59] justinlooking : yup
[2016-06-20 15:11:00] arbitrage001 : probably
[2016-06-20 15:11:07] arbitrage001 : ok now go down more
[2016-06-20 15:11:09] arbitrage001 : lol
[2016-06-20 15:11:17] rapidtrades : guys....we fell over $40 yet sept is not moved
[2016-06-20 15:11:25] rapidtrades : can't tell u what to do but....
[2016-06-20 15:11:27] rapidtrades : ...
[2016-06-20 15:11:34] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: risk is still too high
[2016-06-20 15:11:47] rapidtrades : rimark is 952....
[2016-06-20 15:12:27] rapidtrades : don't make me sell into this myself...already have shorts in there
[2016-06-20 15:12:51] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: might as well if you are sure
[2016-06-20 15:12:58] arbitrage001 : 11% a month
[2016-06-20 15:13:20] rapidtrades : if slevver was here he would eat it whole
[2016-06-20 15:13:26] arbitrage001 : yes
[2016-06-20 15:13:31] arbitrage001 : sad he is gone
[2016-06-20 15:13:36] arbitrage001 : he has the wallet
[2016-06-20 15:13:54] arbitrage001 : most here do not
[2016-06-20 15:14:05] rapidtrades : i can't clear a 48k liq myself...those contracts are btc
[2016-06-20 15:14:08] lockhedge : no open liquidation at XBTUSD https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/liquidation?count=100&start=0&reverse=false
[2016-06-20 15:14:27] arbitrage001 : wait till price hit below 700 to clear
[2016-06-20 15:14:29] stf28 : this isn't liquidation its closing contracts
[2016-06-20 15:14:31] arbitrage001 : even better
[2016-06-20 15:14:48] lockhedge : that is/was a normal limit order (or stop)
[2016-06-20 15:15:20] rapidtrades : im talking about sept
[2016-06-20 15:16:05] rapidtrades : guess it doesn't matter, i plan to hold till expiration anyway
[2016-06-20 15:16:30] rapidtrades : btc-e now at only $17 discount
[2016-06-20 15:19:45] stf28 : wow big iceberg
[2016-06-20 15:20:26] stf28 : this is contract closing
[2016-06-20 15:21:43] stf28 : 700k closed
[2016-06-20 15:21:47] rapidtrades : what ...
[2016-06-20 15:21:53] rapidtrades : that's the GUY
[2016-06-20 15:21:57] rapidtrades : THE F GUY
[2016-06-20 15:22:15] rapidtrades : the 2.6 mil chorter
[2016-06-20 15:22:26] mrp1nk : dat discount
[2016-06-20 15:22:39] mrp1nk : nice :-)
[2016-06-20 15:22:39] elmorte : which exch?
[2016-06-20 15:23:03] stf28 : rapidtrades: it was closed selling so it may have been a long
[2016-06-20 15:23:07] BitMEX_Sam : Here, nearly $5 discount on XBTUSD
[2016-06-20 15:23:37] mbaril : the 1.2 millions contract of this morning is closing
[2016-06-20 15:23:45] elmorte : BitMEX_Sam: yeah... :?
[2016-06-20 15:23:48] elmorte : :/
[2016-06-20 15:24:21] stf28 : mbaril: what price did he opened?
[2016-06-20 15:24:37] elmorte : When is that auction in Australia?
[2016-06-20 15:24:54] mbaril : if my memory is good he short at 729
[2016-06-20 15:26:39] rapidtrades : man there's a LOT of buying everywhere
[2016-06-20 15:26:50] stf28 : of course we didn't break :)
[2016-06-20 15:26:54] rapidtrades : u can't knock this shit down
[2016-06-20 15:27:09] stf28 : not anymore i think
[2016-06-20 15:28:04] justinlooking : test
[2016-06-20 15:28:09] stf28 : overleveraged investors were all shaken out by last moves, if you look at 750-775 range noone can survive this ^^
[2016-06-20 15:29:53] justinlooking : stay strong elmorte
[2016-06-20 15:30:04] elmorte : justinlooking: hahaha
[2016-06-20 15:30:15] elmorte : f*ck me...
[2016-06-20 15:30:26] justinlooking : staring into abyss
[2016-06-20 15:31:08] zanza : triple top
[2016-06-20 15:33:01] jung1 : so 700 comming?
[2016-06-20 15:33:51] Rado : Almost a given at this point
[2016-06-20 15:34:11] Rado : first some dip buyers will take it back to broken support
[2016-06-20 15:35:22] elmorte : *phew*..ok, reduced my leverage by 2/3
[2016-06-20 15:35:29] Dulaobitcrazy : short btc gogogo
[2016-06-20 15:39:11] Dulaobitcrazy : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NHsaxj6DRY
[2016-06-20 15:40:09] Bacon futures trader : fade it
[2016-06-20 15:41:35] rapidtrades : fade what
[2016-06-20 15:43:12] Dulaobitcrazy : GO SWAG
[2016-06-20 15:43:13] jung1 : ok lets open some shorts
[2016-06-20 15:43:20] rapidtrades : do sept
[2016-06-20 15:43:30] xzsd : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu638L-iVt8
[2016-06-20 15:44:14] Rado : 999.99 bid on Sept
[2016-06-20 15:44:35] Dulaobitcrazy : kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk xzsd
[2016-06-20 15:44:58] Dulaobitcrazy : is you crazy man??
[2016-06-20 15:45:35] Dulaobitcrazy : dao and eth are the better coins on market
[2016-06-20 15:45:49] xzsd : SURE man, keep holding this shitcoins
[2016-06-20 15:46:06] Rado : Will be easier to short Sep when we have a Dec contract
[2016-06-20 15:46:06] Dulaobitcrazy : _l_
[2016-06-20 15:46:08] elmorte : Dulaobitcrazy: I thought you were having a fit when you said "kkkkkkkkkkkkk"
[2016-06-20 15:46:20] elmorte : But now I'm sure you're having a fit
[2016-06-20 15:46:32] rapidtrades : he's a crazy eth bagholder
[2016-06-20 15:47:18] Rado : Lol
[2016-06-20 15:47:26] Dulaobitcrazy : i'm a crazy boy man
[2016-06-20 15:47:48] Dulaobitcrazy : i'm rich with eth and i go buy more
[2016-06-20 15:48:50] elmorte : DAO is where it's at man...it's a steal
[2016-06-20 15:49:14] xzsd : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZjmliqhZ-c
[2016-06-20 15:49:22] rapidtrades : elmorte: literally a steal
[2016-06-20 15:49:30] Dulaobitcrazy : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3m9G4gADPQ
[2016-06-20 15:49:38] elmorte : yes, pun intended :p
[2016-06-20 15:49:41] rapidtrades : BAN LINK POSTERS
[2016-06-20 15:50:16] boolander : oh, look. it's a youtube-off
[2016-06-20 15:50:34] Dulaobitcrazy : where is the sense of humor??
[2016-06-20 15:50:52] Dulaobitcrazy : go trade
[2016-06-20 15:50:55] rapidtrades : your mom f*cked it out of me
[2016-06-20 15:51:37] Dulaobitcrazy : your mom like suck my balls dude
[2016-06-20 15:51:46] luckynuke : kek
[2016-06-20 15:52:13] rapidtrades : 3k for sale at 1000
[2016-06-20 15:52:22] rapidtrades : $260 premium
[2016-06-20 15:52:38] rapidtrades : for 3 months
[2016-06-20 15:52:55] elmorte : Unrealsed PNL on Sept is nuts...
[2016-06-20 15:53:25] elmorte : Mark just went up $40
[2016-06-20 15:53:41] rapidtrades : yeah that was stupid
[2016-06-20 15:53:45] rapidtrades : wtf bitmex
[2016-06-20 15:56:27] aethlios : opemed 5000 sept 1010, another 1020 for 5000 order
[2016-06-20 15:56:49] justinlooking : wtf?!
[2016-06-20 15:57:42] kogroken : They bumped the big liquidation up to 1020, then dropped it back to 942
[2016-06-20 15:57:53] kogroken : Someone is bored at work
[2016-06-20 15:58:06] rapidtrades : dam looks like it
[2016-06-20 15:58:32] rapidtrades : srsly bitmex stop doing shit like that
[2016-06-20 15:58:51] elmorte : Wally's on the piss again
[2016-06-20 15:58:56] kogroken : Mark price dropped to 950 again as well
[2016-06-20 15:59:01] elmorte : Damnit Wally!
[2016-06-20 15:59:25] rapidtrades : i would be pissed if that rekted me
[2016-06-20 15:59:26] lockhedge : the liquidations seems to move with the mark price which is an impact mid price, so i guess this was a robot not Wally
[2016-06-20 15:59:27] justinlooking : monkey business
[2016-06-20 15:59:29] kogroken : Not nice to shake it around $50 at a time
[2016-06-20 15:59:35] elmorte : It's like a fckin tennis match
[2016-06-20 15:59:59] elmorte : lockhedge: pics or it was Wally :p
[2016-06-20 16:00:04] jung1 : bts is going to 700
[2016-06-20 16:00:26] elmorte : from 546?
[2016-06-20 16:00:35] rapidtrades : well then sell sept u jew @jung1
[2016-06-20 16:00:53] j8 : that market's f'd, i would stay away.. 25x with a 6% spread
[2016-06-20 16:01:10] rapidtrades : point is to hold it for the sweet premium
[2016-06-20 16:01:40] elmorte : Ok, I'm out of XBTUSD...
[2016-06-20 16:01:44] aethlios : sept 1020 was nice because swap premium could become discount in a correction to 600, also we need time to fall to 600 and consolidate and again go up
[2016-06-20 16:03:29] rapidtrades : i preferred the liq at 780 tbh
[2016-06-20 16:03:44] rapidtrades : it was an easy sell in case we crash or there was some news....
[2016-06-20 16:03:52] rapidtrades : but no wally had to f*ck with it
[2016-06-20 16:05:46] Rado : Is mark affected by the trade price or just the index?
[2016-06-20 16:06:01] kogroken : Clearly not just the index
[2016-06-20 16:06:49] Rado : That's good
[2016-06-20 16:06:55] xzsd : is ENTRY price affect by closing 1/10 of position?
[2016-06-20 16:07:13] Rado : No
[2016-06-20 16:07:32] kogroken : Well. I'm not too comfortable with an exchange that changes the mark price +-$50 in 10 seconds
[2016-06-20 16:07:42] xzsd : When i close a half of my position, was showing 2 prices in Entry Price.
[2016-06-20 16:07:44] kogroken : (while index is unchanged)
[2016-06-20 16:08:45] rapidtrades : yeah that was bad
[2016-06-20 16:08:46] elmorte : xzsd: eh? Same contract?
[2016-06-20 16:08:57] BitMEX_Wally : When you hover over entry price it also explains the 2 numbers
[2016-06-20 16:09:04] elmorte : Oh...
[2016-06-20 16:09:06] BitMEX_Wally : One is the entry price, the other is the last rebalance price
[2016-06-20 16:09:30] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: hey wally how's it going...hope ur having a nice day. Why did you F*CK with september?
[2016-06-20 16:09:41] elmorte : heheh
[2016-06-20 16:09:47] xzsd : elmorte: yes. exemple: i have 1000XBTUSD SHORT in 800..... when the price comes to 750 i close 500XBTUSD, the lasts 500XBTUSD still in short in 800?!
[2016-06-20 16:09:51] kogroken : BitMEX_Wally: What's up with the XBTU16 mark price yo-yoing?
[2016-06-20 16:09:51] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: I have not touched XBTU16. But tell me, are you short, and if so what was your entry price?
[2016-06-20 16:10:01] rapidtrades : 502
[2016-06-20 16:10:06] rapidtrades : go nuts :)