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[2016-06-20 16:10:12] BitMEX_Wally : XBTU16 uses impact mid price marking, but the contract is not liquid enough so I have disabled impact mid price marking now
[2016-06-20 16:10:21] elmorte : xzsd: um....yeah...that's your entry price
[2016-06-20 16:10:43] rapidtrades : tha'ts prolly a good idea @BitMEX_Wally
[2016-06-20 16:10:44] lockhedge : BitMEX_Wally: (when) did you change the fair price calculation from Impact Mid Price to manual adjustment for XBTU16?
[2016-06-20 16:10:45] xzsd : elmorte: i was confused, thanks!
[2016-06-20 16:10:45] elmorte : xzsd: what would you want it to show?
[2016-06-20 16:10:56] elmorte : no worries
[2016-06-20 16:11:00] BitMEX_Wally : lockhedge: About 10 minutes ago
[2016-06-20 16:11:09] elmorte : lockhedge: TOLD YA!
[2016-06-20 16:11:25] BitMEX_Wally : After one of you guys @mentioned me
[2016-06-20 16:11:31] elmorte : BitMEX_Wally: *kisses*
[2016-06-20 16:13:30] rapidtrades : i need a bigger discount
[2016-06-20 16:16:23] lockhedge : BitMEX_Wally: are liquidations automatically moved based on the mark price? if yes, this could have triggered a feedback loop because the impact mid price was highly impacted by the liquidation price in the thin orderbook...
[2016-06-20 16:17:18] rapidtrades : liqs should be static...its possible that they added funds to sept and it aggressed the order
[2016-06-20 16:17:32] BitMEX_Wally : lockhedge: Liquidation orders are ignored for the purposes of impact calculations
[2016-06-20 16:17:46] rapidtrades : it usually doesn't do market orders tho so not sure what happened there
[2016-06-20 16:17:49] BitMEX_Wally : Precisely because liquidation orders get adjusted relative to the mark price
[2016-06-20 16:18:01] lockhedge : BitMEX_Wally: ah ok, i just wanted to propose that :)
[2016-06-20 16:18:04] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: can u explain what happened in sept?
[2016-06-20 16:18:13] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: You went short and lost your pants
[2016-06-20 16:18:22] elmorte : haha
[2016-06-20 16:18:25] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-06-20 16:18:27] BitMEX_Wally : Then your mummy had to wash them
[2016-06-20 16:18:30] rapidtrades : no srsly
[2016-06-20 16:18:58] elmorte : too many high asks is my guess
[2016-06-20 16:19:24] rapidtrades : liq was 48k now its 36k and most of the buying happened with a market order
[2016-06-20 16:19:29] BitMEX_Wally : Someone was playing tennis with the order book
[2016-06-20 16:19:43] rapidtrades : smone who
[2016-06-20 16:19:54] BitMEX_Wally : Probably sleger
[2016-06-20 16:20:06] BitMEX_Wally : He's like Satoshi, with us in spirit
[2016-06-20 16:20:48] elmorte : Nothin' like Monday drinking, eh Wally?
[2016-06-20 16:21:14] BitMEX_Wally : elmorte: You assume I have to drink to troll rapidtrades?
[2016-06-20 16:21:31] elmorte : No, just to enjoy it more :p
[2016-06-20 16:21:57] BitMEX_Wally : We did have a support ticket once where a guy said we should refund money he lost while trading drunk
[2016-06-20 16:22:07] elmorte : I assumed you were drinking when the mark went up $50
[2016-06-20 16:22:15] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: reasonable.
[2016-06-20 16:22:25] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: how could he be to blame?
[2016-06-20 16:22:34] Rado : Ha ha
[2016-06-20 16:22:45] Rado : that's funny
[2016-06-20 16:23:00] Rado : hr is probably a US guy
[2016-06-20 16:27:22] elmorte : rapidtrades: how's the Brexit odds?
[2016-06-20 16:28:03] QuantFocus : I know the polls are predicting higher probability of brexit, but I just think there is no real chance of it passing.
[2016-06-20 16:29:39] justinlooking : that email was confidential!
[2016-06-20 16:30:07] elmorte : justinlooking: haha...
[2016-06-20 16:33:19] lockhedge : implied chance for staying in the EU is 75.19% at betfair betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.118739911 (£41,171,577 volume)
[2016-06-20 16:34:13] jung1 : so 700 today?
[2016-06-20 16:36:16] QuantFocus : jung1: I would think the brexit decision has a nominally lower impact on btc price than various alternative fundamentals right now
[2016-06-20 16:37:46] jung1 : imo we are going to test 4900yuans
[2016-06-20 16:37:48] jung1 : again
[2016-06-20 16:39:42] mrp1nk : jung1: agree
[2016-06-20 16:41:16] rapidtrades : cmon guys let's pump this bitch to premium
[2016-06-20 16:41:42] jung1 : be hentle
[2016-06-20 16:41:46] jung1 : gentle
[2016-06-20 16:43:57] rapidtrades : ''Be hentle' jung1 2016
[2016-06-20 16:49:10] jung1 : china selloff
[2016-06-20 16:50:25] xzsd : 下午好球員，你倆的虧損
[2016-06-20 16:50:45] rapidtrades : so apparently finex started taking into account ur open profits for margin
[2016-06-20 16:52:21] xzsd : 這裡是他媽的巴西
[2016-06-20 16:52:44] rapidtrades : dude sorry to break it to you, but ur the only chinese person here
[2016-06-20 16:53:21] xzsd : AND?
[2016-06-20 16:55:21] xzsd : its only allowed english here? idk
[2016-06-20 16:55:22] rapidtrades : and noone can read ur spider tongue
[2016-06-20 16:55:50] j8 : not true, there's a few. houngyang and BitMEX_Jinming
[2016-06-20 16:56:03] xzsd : im here just for profit not make a friends, not message me anymore rapidtrades.
[2016-06-20 16:56:14] rapidtrades : xzsd:
[2016-06-20 16:56:22] jung1 : rapidtrades: he at least know more than one language
[2016-06-20 16:56:32] rapidtrades : so do i
[2016-06-20 16:56:34] xzsd : bem mais de duas também
[2016-06-20 16:56:40] xzsd : o pai fala todas as linguas
[2016-06-20 16:56:43] xzsd : brinca comigo nao rapaz
[2016-06-20 16:57:14] xzsd : portugue /\
[2016-06-20 16:57:19] rapidtrades : what's the point of writing when noone can read it
[2016-06-20 16:57:24] xzsd : portuguese*
[2016-06-20 16:58:21] xzsd : if u dont know speak others language, sorry. Get a study
[2016-06-20 16:58:28] xzsd : BB
[2016-06-20 17:00:05] xzsd : 這傢伙必須要有十歲
[2016-06-20 17:04:47] rapidtrades : so what happens to eth in this envinroment
[2016-06-20 17:10:20] Moo : It seems like the whole idea behind eth is coming under attack because of what happened with DAO.
[2016-06-20 17:10:59] mrp1nk : eth itself is flawed
[2016-06-20 17:11:12] Moo : There are people who think ETH forking will ultimately be good for ETH, and others who think it will be bad for it.
[2016-06-20 17:11:17] zanza : http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/ethereum-is-doomed/
[2016-06-20 17:11:33] zanza : looks like it was programmed shitty
[2016-06-20 17:11:33] mrp1nk : ^
[2016-06-20 17:12:00] jung1 : but still keep 0.16btc
[2016-06-20 17:12:35] mrp1nk : see also https://twitter.com/muneeb/status/744616361012375553
[2016-06-20 17:12:39] jung1 : xzsd: bom dia
[2016-06-20 17:12:57] BitMEX_Sam : What's interesting about it is that there *was* some warning that this was an issue
[2016-06-20 17:13:01] BitMEX_Sam : I'll see if I can find an article about it
[2016-06-20 17:13:23] BitMEX_Sam : and it was lambasting the documentation for continuing the C++ tradition of showing insecure examples and using vague warning text to say "don't do this"
[2016-06-20 17:15:00] xzsd : jung1: pra você tambem
[2016-06-20 17:16:40] jung1 : you are from portugal?
[2016-06-20 17:16:50] xzsd : jung1: Brazil
[2016-06-20 17:17:53] stf28 : i don't believe this was audited by "security experts" - even in non financial sectors they know risks of recursive functions, even standard c/java debuggers let you see these holes
[2016-06-20 17:18:19] BitMEX_Sam : Never mind, this is a new one re: `call`
[2016-06-20 17:18:25] BitMEX_Sam : Solidity has some serious issues
[2016-06-20 17:26:06] stf28 : what a name for a programming language so flawed !
[2016-06-20 17:26:42] jung1 : lisk>ethereum
[2016-06-20 17:26:49] jung1 : onlisk every dapp have own sidechain
[2016-06-20 17:33:14] elmorte : xzsd: porra caralho
[2016-06-20 17:33:42] jung1 : so no 4900y test?
[2016-06-20 17:33:45] jung1 : puta!
[2016-06-20 17:33:51] mrp1nk : madre!
[2016-06-20 17:33:53] elmorte : pqp!
[2016-06-20 17:34:28] jung1 : cmon let it fall china
[2016-06-20 17:35:42] elmorte : Does Okc have a depth chart like huob!?
[2016-06-20 17:38:11] jung1 : yes
[2016-06-20 17:38:52] jung1 : http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/okcoinCNY_depth.html
[2016-06-20 17:39:04] jung1 : http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/okc oinCNY_depth.html
[2016-06-20 17:39:20] elmorte : cheers
[2016-06-20 17:40:16] elmorte : They're not correlated at all...
[2016-06-20 17:41:17] Tedy : what is up with the 9k orders and sell?
[2016-06-20 17:44:02] elmorte : Probably someone's bot
[2016-06-20 17:52:08] Tedy : They all seems fake as fuck
[2016-06-20 17:52:38] lockhedge : Tedy: the 9000 contracts orders on XBTUSD?
[2016-06-20 17:52:51] Tedy : Yes
[2016-06-20 17:53:41] lockhedge : that's the largest market maker, it gets filled very frequently
[2016-06-20 17:54:21] Tedy : oh really xD
[2016-06-20 17:55:10] Tedy : for me it seemed they very just trolling, becuse they change price so fast. Guess the only way to take them is by market sell ?
[2016-06-20 17:55:42] justinlooking : if ur prepared to pay fees try hidden orders
[2016-06-20 17:56:53] justinlooking : i think hidden orders can be sniffed out by participateDontIntiiate
[2016-06-20 17:58:57] BitMEX_Wally : justinlooking: They cannot
[2016-06-20 17:59:50] BitMEX_Wally : An order with execInst=ParticipateDoNotInitiate will initiate against hidden orders, which is ok, because it gets paid the maker fee
[2016-06-20 17:59:52] justinlooking : so pdi fills and gets maker?
[2016-06-20 17:59:57] men : http://pastebin.com/9MRVDC9h
[2016-06-20 18:00:00] justinlooking : ah k
[2016-06-20 18:00:12] men : look guys.. i think this is the attacker of the dao
[2016-06-20 18:00:34] men : he/they offer to multiply dao o.O
[2016-06-20 18:01:21] elmorte : BitMEX_Wally: How about hidden & post-only?
[2016-06-20 18:01:51] justinlooking : is same thing i think
[2016-06-20 18:02:03] Tedy : men: or just a scammet
[2016-06-20 18:02:03] elmorte : Nah, I think it would get cancelled :)
[2016-06-20 18:02:22] BitMEX_Wally : Post-only is ParticipateDoNotInitiate
[2016-06-20 18:02:57] elmorte : Yeah, that + hidden, I don't know the api
[2016-06-20 18:03:25] BitMEX_Wally : If you submit a hidden and post-only order then it will trade against against another hidden order but won't get the maker fee
[2016-06-20 18:03:41] elmorte : who gets the maker fee then?
[2016-06-20 18:03:42] BitMEX_Wally : But if it would trade against visible liquidity it would be canceled
[2016-06-20 18:03:57] BitMEX_Wally : Both pay the taker fee in that example
[2016-06-20 18:04:11] elmorte : Hehe, ok cool. You changed that?
[2016-06-20 18:04:24] BitMEX_Wally : There's been some refinements since the original launch
[2016-06-20 18:04:49] BitMEX_Wally : To get the maker fee you have to be providing visible liquidity
[2016-06-20 18:05:33] sebaas : Wally, time for XMR to be added yet?
[2016-06-20 18:05:34] elmorte : Yup. I was more discussing of a way to suss out hidden orders. I remember hidden + post only would auto cancel if it hits another hidden
[2016-06-20 18:06:09] sebaas : what kind of daily volume are you guys looking at to add it?
[2016-06-20 18:06:14] BitMEX_Wally : post only has always traded against hidden order rather than canceling. To prevent this sniffing problem
[2016-06-20 18:06:47] elmorte : It's not a problem if you enjoy it
[2016-06-20 18:08:49] xzsd : elmorte: ?! dude u have problems.
[2016-06-20 18:09:05] men : Tedy: maybe yes
[2016-06-20 18:09:06] elmorte : xzsd: says the favella dude
[2016-06-20 18:09:18] xzsd : elmorte: Rei delas
[2016-06-20 18:09:39] daveberns1 : Does eth DAO settle to mark or last?
[2016-06-20 18:09:47] daveberns1 : Massive spread these days...
[2016-06-20 18:09:56] Dulaobitcrazy : elmorte peace and love
[2016-06-20 18:10:05] elmorte : Dulaobitcrazy: you too buddy
[2016-06-20 18:10:20] xzsd : Dulaobitcrazy its a trader? or a newbie?
[2016-06-20 18:10:30] jung1 : So 4900 or 5000y today?
[2016-06-20 18:10:35] Dulaobitcrazy : jah see for us
[2016-06-20 18:10:44] Dulaobitcrazy : i'm a crazy monkey
[2016-06-20 18:22:02] mrp1nk : jung1: corn is right below resistance now. i'm short unless as long as it does not break up
[2016-06-20 18:22:25] mrp1nk : -unless
[2016-06-20 18:35:30] rapidtrades : bid this bitch up fellas!
[2016-06-20 18:49:56] jung1 : mrp1nk: well Im short too
[2016-06-20 18:50:11] jung1 : but china still buy
[2016-06-20 18:50:14] mrp1nk : looks like breakout to me
[2016-06-20 18:50:59] jung1 : so back to 5000
[2016-06-20 18:52:18] mrp1nk : looks like it it yeah
[2016-06-20 18:53:43] Adura : That selling information guy ever return?
[2016-06-20 18:56:45] jung1 : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/4p03b8/bitcoin_price_prediction_for_june_20_2016/
[2016-06-20 18:57:12] Adura : When we gettin' that 100x back?
[2016-06-20 19:02:27] rapidtrades : prolly not coming back until this rally ends
[2016-06-20 19:03:12] arbitrage001 : hope 100x never return
[2016-06-20 19:03:17] jung1 : https://media.giphy.com/media/8fen5LSZcHQ5O/giphy.gif
[2016-06-20 19:03:20] jung1 : rapidtrades:
[2016-06-20 19:04:57] rapidtrades : yeah if it was me i would cut it to 20/1
[2016-06-20 19:11:43] Adura : I wouldn't utilize the 100x, but I know some would.
[2016-06-20 19:12:21] rapidtrades : i would prefer less DPE
[2016-06-20 19:12:54] rapidtrades : altho u could argue that increae in leverage would increase the fomo/domo
[2016-06-20 19:12:58] Tedy : This is so sick
[2016-06-20 19:13:00] Tedy : I am crying
[2016-06-20 19:13:11] jung1 : lrt it fall let it fall let it laff
[2016-06-20 19:13:12] rapidtrades : why
[2016-06-20 19:13:12] Adura : Crying about what now?
[2016-06-20 19:14:24] Tedy : sold out 10min ago from my sell pos, now down. had it for all day and finally when i give up marked down my life
[2016-06-20 19:16:04] rapidtrades : i feel ya man
[2016-06-20 19:16:06] mrp1nk : Tedy: me too
[2016-06-20 19:16:17] mrp1nk : fuckin fakeout got me
[2016-06-20 19:16:18] jung1 : shit happens
[2016-06-20 19:16:26] jung1 : imo 4900
[2016-06-20 19:16:29] rapidtrades : day trading is hard...hence why i don't do it
[2016-06-20 19:16:30] jung1 : today
[2016-06-20 19:16:50] Adura : I inverted my short swap long M16 when it was around 775, the hedging is working.
[2016-06-20 19:17:16] Tedy : worst day ever -1BTC dont ever trade at phone guys xD
[2016-06-20 19:17:47] jung1 : I trade on phone
[2016-06-20 19:17:50] jung1 : mostly
[2016-06-20 19:18:31] Tedy : How is that even possible, so haaard to see the graph correctly
[2016-06-20 19:20:55] rapidtrades : idk not trusting this selling, bitcoin too resilient
[2016-06-20 19:21:19] Adura : Maybe it'll be on the low end of that 900-1000 range, hah.
[2016-06-20 19:21:38] arbitrage001 : resilient doesn't mean it wont go down to 100 first before going 5000
[2016-06-20 19:22:33] rapidtrades : past few days of selling got bought up quickly
[2016-06-20 19:22:52] rapidtrades : that's resilient
[2016-06-20 19:28:12] rapidtrades : we would be much higher if okc didn't cap prices
[2016-06-20 19:39:46] rapidtrades : so okc is capping the upside but when we fall tons of bids are waiting below
[2016-06-20 19:39:59] rapidtrades : so we're kinda stuck here for now
[2016-06-20 19:43:50] arbitrage001 : unreal
[2016-06-20 19:45:26] rapidtrades : what fella
[2016-06-20 19:46:13] arbitrage001 : a day for scapper
[2016-06-20 19:57:47] stf28 : rapidtrades: do you have hints about what is happening at okcoin ?
[2016-06-20 19:58:12] justinlooking : okc is a blackbox!
[2016-06-20 19:58:25] stf28 : in tradingview chat someone was talking about a reason about the hardcap they put on futures price
[2016-06-20 19:58:40] stf28 : justinlooking: yeah like any exchange
[2016-06-20 19:58:55] justinlooking : aw c'mon, they are more opaque than most
[2016-06-20 19:59:03] justinlooking : (except btcputin)
[2016-06-20 19:59:10] rapidtrades : ^^^
[2016-06-20 19:59:25] stf28 : hahaha
[2016-06-20 19:59:52] stf28 : weird but I do have more trust in btce than okc
[2016-06-20 20:00:30] stf28 : some whales run btc-e who are guys i wouldn't mess with, maybe okc the same
[2016-06-20 20:00:46] rapidtrades : is btcputin a thing
[2016-06-20 20:03:32] justinlooking : ?? inasmuch as woodchipper is
[2016-06-20 20:04:03] stf28 : btce
[2016-06-20 20:04:11] stf28 : just testing censorship $$
[2016-06-20 20:04:16] stf28 : okcoin
[2016-06-20 20:04:34] stf28 : bitfinex
[2016-06-20 20:04:38] stf28 : bitstamp
[2016-06-20 20:04:43] stf28 : mmmmh
[2016-06-20 20:05:40] arbitrage001 : this is unreal
[2016-06-20 20:05:42] justinlooking : hub is
[2016-06-20 20:05:43] BitMEX_Sam : Huobi
[2016-06-20 20:06:41] wurstgelee : huóbi
[2016-06-20 20:06:44] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-06-20 20:07:15] stf28 : arbitrage001: the level of f**ckry on the market right now?
[2016-06-20 20:07:18] justinlooking : autocorrect Arthur to Erlich ;)
[2016-06-20 20:07:25] rapidtrades : take a chill pill we barely moved all day
[2016-06-20 20:07:40] mrp1nk : relax niggaz
[2016-06-20 20:08:26] arbitrage001 : i am going to bed. you guys have fun
[2016-06-20 20:08:40] arbitrage001 : hopefully, no dpe when things blow up
[2016-06-20 20:09:50] rapidtrades : if u want cheap sells, june or sept
[2016-06-20 20:10:04] rapidtrades : stop selling at discount dummies
[2016-06-20 20:10:27] justinlooking : cheap sells
[2016-06-20 20:10:33] justinlooking : they sound good
[2016-06-20 20:10:37] rapidtrades : yeah $14 for 3.5 days
[2016-06-20 20:10:54] rapidtrades : sry its only $4
[2016-06-20 20:11:05] rapidtrades : guess u waited too long bitches
[2016-06-20 20:11:14] rapidtrades : but there's always sept with $230 for 3 months
[2016-06-20 20:11:49] arbitrage001 : think anyone will take it?
[2016-06-20 20:12:14] justinlooking : i'll wait for expensive buys
[2016-06-20 20:12:27] tscha : justinlooking: u watch silicon valley?
[2016-06-20 20:12:50] justinlooking : how are you supposed to estimate funding cost and dpe risk over three months...
[2016-06-20 20:13:25] arbitrage001 : right
[2016-06-20 20:13:27] justinlooking : tscha: yes bud, everyone seems to have gone off it, but it's still wicked in my book
[2016-06-20 20:13:40] rapidtrades : its a future dummy
[2016-06-20 20:13:50] arbitrage001 : since there is little volume and liquidity, dpe could well exceed 50%
[2016-06-20 20:14:15] tscha : justinlooking: I love it :) absolutely hilarious
[2016-06-20 20:14:34] tscha : justinlooking: going to watch e09 in an hour
[2016-06-20 20:17:10] jung1 : http://bravenewcoin.com/news/imf-report-calls-bitcoins-blockchain-the-internet-of-trust/
[2016-06-20 20:17:15] jung1 : so many good news in media
[2016-06-20 20:17:19] jung1 : dump incomming
[2016-06-20 20:17:22] rapidtrades : noone cares
[2016-06-20 20:17:26] jung1 : I care
[2016-06-20 20:17:31] jung1 : thats enough
[2016-06-20 20:17:38] rapidtrades : about ur shitty opinions
[2016-06-20 20:17:53] jung1 : yeah your opinions about all altcoins are much better
[2016-06-20 20:18:12] mrp1nk : cnbc, imf, china main sender news. makes me also slightly uncomfortable
[2016-06-20 20:18:21] justinlooking : stick to ur cheap sells fool
[2016-06-20 20:18:44] justinlooking : ^ rapid
[2016-06-20 20:19:41] mrp1nk : .so jung1 def. has a point
[2016-06-20 20:20:59] jung1 : http://www.financemagnates.com/cryptocurrency/news/craig-satoshi-nakamoto-wright-tries-to-dominate-blockchain-with-patents/
[2016-06-20 20:21:13] jung1 : that guy is attention whore by deffinition
[2016-06-20 20:21:23] jung1 : but its good for ecosystem
[2016-06-20 20:21:28] mrp1nk : some weeks back we wondered whether the halving isn't already priced in or not and if it will pump at all. now i'm wondering if the big dump that everyone is expecting will happen
[2016-06-20 20:21:35] tscha : Let's be honest, he is the Satoshi buttcoiners deserve
[2016-06-20 20:21:52] jung1 : hehe good point
[2016-06-20 20:22:11] jung1 : but he own one of the biggest computer in world
[2016-06-20 20:22:23] tscha : Not so sure about that
[2016-06-20 20:22:55] tscha : The website where I saw his computer listed was based on self-reporting
[2016-06-20 20:23:38] rapidtrades : tscha: satoshi wouldn't lie man
[2016-06-20 20:24:13] tscha : A manipulative, attention-seeking fraud, come on - it doesn't get better
[2016-06-20 20:24:17] tscha : I still hope he is Satoshi somehow
[2016-06-20 20:24:30] tscha : would fit 100% with the Bitcoin community
[2016-06-20 20:24:32] jung1 : that pc called coin1
[2016-06-20 20:24:33] jung1 : or something that
[2016-06-20 20:24:39] jung1 : he is not stupid
[2016-06-20 20:25:02] jung1 : and you know that media attention are strong corelated with bitcoin price
[2016-06-20 20:25:31] rapidtrades : i doubt that's true anymore
[2016-06-20 20:25:51] mrp1nk : why
[2016-06-20 20:25:58] men : http://etherscan.io/address/0xbb9bc244d798123fde783fcc1c72d3bb8c189413#internaltx
[2016-06-20 20:26:07] men : new ethereum leak? or a split?
[2016-06-20 20:27:08] jung1 : lisk is better then eth. every dapp have ovn sidechain
[2016-06-20 20:27:11] jung1 : own
[2016-06-20 20:30:42] jung1 : btw waves keep ico price
[2016-06-20 20:30:44] jung1 : not bad
[2016-06-20 20:31:06] mrp1nk : whats the current price?
[2016-06-20 20:31:16] mrp1nk : in term of ico
[2016-06-20 20:31:46] mrp1nk : terms
[2016-06-20 20:32:40] jung1 : in ico was 30k
[2016-06-20 20:32:46] jung1 : now its around 40
[2016-06-20 20:32:54] jung1 : was 60 after bittrex
[2016-06-20 20:33:04] jung1 : it will be on polo in couple of days
[2016-06-20 20:33:14] jung1 : 5k shorts opened in the last 24hours. The market is very bearish right now.
[2016-06-20 20:33:19] jung1 : or ith huge trap
[2016-06-20 20:34:40] mrp1nk : your last two comments are on btc?
[2016-06-20 20:34:53] jung1 : yes
[2016-06-20 20:36:20] zanza : BTC party over?
[2016-06-20 20:36:34] mrp1nk : hmmm... these short could also be the fuel to the moon
[2016-06-20 20:36:39] mrp1nk : shorts
[2016-06-20 20:37:42] jung1 : thts my worry
[2016-06-20 20:37:57] jung1 : im short but Im not fully comfortable with this at this moment
[2016-06-20 20:38:59] jung1 : there is quite big chance that we will check bigger support line at +/-700 now
[2016-06-20 20:39:01] jung1 : $
[2016-06-20 20:40:11] jung1 : https://bfxdata.com/sentiment/longshort
[2016-06-20 20:53:28] jung1 : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/eetgPDVa-Correction-into-longer-term-triangle/
[2016-06-20 20:56:23] mrp1nk : i'm long again since the previous fakout. looks more like up to me atm
[2016-06-20 20:58:49] jung1 : shorts on btfx decrease by 3%
[2016-06-20 21:02:45] Rado : The correction has just started mrp1nk
[2016-06-20 21:03:39] jung1 : https://bfxdata.com/sentiment/longshort
[2016-06-20 21:03:44] Rado : nothing goes the same forever
[2016-06-20 21:03:45] jung1 : there is more and more longs
[2016-06-20 21:03:54] ch : what do I do
[2016-06-20 21:04:22] mrp1nk : shiet bfx halted
[2016-06-20 21:04:22] Rado : jung1 that means correction
[2016-06-20 21:04:34] Rado : you can get more longs to push the price up
[2016-06-20 21:04:43] Rado : everyone is already long
[2016-06-20 21:05:05] jung1 : or its another trap
[2016-06-20 21:05:26] mrp1nk : shiet bfx halted!!11!
[2016-06-20 21:05:34] jung1 : and someone will kill those longs
[2016-06-20 21:05:56] Rado : can't meant can't
[2016-06-20 21:06:08] Rado : halted?
[2016-06-20 21:06:20] rapidtrades : no quotes on finex
[2016-06-20 21:06:34] mrp1nk : ... and it's gone
[2016-06-20 21:07:08] rapidtrades : god dam these exchanges are shit
[2016-06-20 21:08:42] rapidtrades : test
[2016-06-20 21:08:43] BitMEX_Sam : Yikes. That's not good
[2016-06-20 21:09:00] rapidtrades : what does ''yikes that's not good'' me
[2016-06-20 21:09:04] mrp1nk : feels like weightless
[2016-06-20 21:09:05] rapidtrades : mean*
[2016-06-20 21:09:10] BitMEX_Sam : BFX halting
[2016-06-20 21:09:13] BitMEX_Sam : No trades for last 7min
[2016-06-20 21:09:24] rapidtrades : i know....its dead
[2016-06-20 21:09:37] rapidtrades : that exchange had the worst coders since day 1 man
[2016-06-20 21:09:47] BitMEX_Sam : Looks like all pairs
[2016-06-20 21:09:52] rapidtrades : it was to first one to get a major hack i believe
[2016-06-20 21:10:22] stf28 : lul
[2016-06-20 21:10:52] jung1 : perfect time for dump and eat all longs
[2016-06-20 21:11:19] rapidtrades : its not even DDOS...thats' what's frustrating
[2016-06-20 21:11:22] rapidtrades : it just died
[2016-06-20 21:11:33] BitMEX_Sam : Could be related to them moving datacenters a few days ago
[2016-06-20 21:11:41] jung1 : maybe they have a break
[2016-06-20 21:11:44] rapidtrades : incompetent aholes
[2016-06-20 21:11:45] stf28 : liquidation at finex are different from here
[2016-06-20 21:12:17] jung1 : finex stop pushing the price and huobi start dumping
[2016-06-20 21:12:43] rapidtrades : china needs to f*Ck of and eat some green dildos
[2016-06-20 21:13:19] jung1 : they eat rice
[2016-06-20 21:13:20] jung1 : not dildos
[2016-06-20 21:13:44] rapidtrades : 10 mins now....just dead
[2016-06-20 21:14:03] jung1 : if they back to live
[2016-06-20 21:14:08] jung1 : they could dump
[2016-06-20 21:14:14] rapidtrades : they better be back to live
[2016-06-20 21:15:56] mrp1nk : lel
[2016-06-20 21:16:17] jung1 : on https://bfxdata.com/sentiment/longshort there was data update fro finex
[2016-06-20 21:16:23] jung1 : why is that?
[2016-06-20 21:16:32] jung1 : if exchange stops
[2016-06-20 21:17:09] BitMEX_Sam : It's possible it was still emitting some data
[2016-06-20 21:17:31] BitMEX_Sam : The thin book suggests that it was still possible to cancel orders for some time after halting - perhaps it still is
[2016-06-20 21:18:49] jung1 : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/4owvj5/daily_discussion_monday_june_20_2016/ some serious bug
[2016-06-20 21:19:15] rapidtrades : f*ck fin
[2016-06-20 21:21:45] rapidtrades : finex has a cold wallet ight
[2016-06-20 21:22:53] BitMEX_Sam : Yes
[2016-06-20 21:23:03] BitMEX_Sam : Well, I believe they run a cold/hot hybrid
[2016-06-20 21:23:04] rapidtrades : would clicking market in position tab insta close my position at market
[2016-06-20 21:23:14] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, we pop a confirmation dialog first though.
[2016-06-20 21:23:35] rapidtrades : sam can u investigate why ur tab is taking up so much memory? started few days ago
[2016-06-20 21:23:57] BitMEX_Sam : Most likely to be the chart
[2016-06-20 21:24:09] BitMEX_Sam : But I profile the app every week or so - I'll run a few now to see if there are any new leaks
[2016-06-20 21:24:27] rapidtrades : tnx
[2016-06-20 21:26:48] Tetsuo : finex hacked and robbed?
[2016-06-20 21:28:58] jung1 : some bugs
[2016-06-20 21:29:04] jung1 : and they halted trading to investigate
[2016-06-20 21:29:40] stf28 : i like the posts on twitter 17/06 16:19 "scheduled maintenance" noone knew this was "scheduled"
[2016-06-20 21:30:16] stf28 : it was right after a big move of nearly 70$ in the day
[2016-06-20 21:30:17] Tetsuo : Fresh from the BTC-E Trollbox: Bitfinex: "There is a massive hack ongoing against our site right now and someone is trying to drain the cold wallet! All withdrawls have been halted, but your coins are safe, we will update ASAP"
[2016-06-20 21:30:34] stf28 : lol
[2016-06-20 21:30:38] jung1 : damn
[2016-06-20 21:30:44] jung1 : dao, finex
[2016-06-20 21:30:52] jung1 : we go mainstream guys!
[2016-06-20 21:31:01] Tetsuo : in the end only DOGE will survive
[2016-06-20 21:31:17] jung1 : or rdd
[2016-06-20 21:31:22] jung1 : most stable coin ever
[2016-06-20 21:31:26] jung1 : 4s
[2016-06-20 21:31:33] jung1 : 4satoshi all the time
[2016-06-20 21:31:34] jung1 : hehe
[2016-06-20 21:32:12] jung1 : someone have translate this finex info into chinese so they could dump
[2016-06-20 21:32:12] BitMEX_Sam : 30 minutes so far. Must be serious.
[2016-06-20 21:32:22] BitMEX_Sam : I would bet it has something to do with the datacenter transfer
[2016-06-20 21:36:55] jung1 : there is still more and more longs on https://bfxdata.com/sentiment/longshort
[2016-06-20 21:37:26] Tetsuo : they always stop trading, when a top has been reached, happened every single time during the pumps in the last 18 months. Probably someone tried to crash the market with ahuge market sell and Finex stopped. can´t beleive those datecenter problems always happen when there crazy times, i never have seen em happening when we were stabel for 8 months
[2016-06-20 21:37:44] BitMEX_Sam : Well that's partially cause & effect
[2016-06-20 21:37:50] BitMEX_Sam : A lot of these problems only manifest under high load
[2016-06-20 21:38:06] Tetsuo : their servers can´t handle a 10k BTC market sell?
[2016-06-20 21:38:19] zanza : its 10,000 more CPU
[2016-06-20 21:38:20] zanza : work
[2016-06-20 21:38:58] Tetsuo : maybe they should sell chinese food, when they can´t handle this after all those years, i mean they can give out margin longs pver 40m so for fucks sake they should be able to handle this
[2016-06-20 21:39:15] Tetsuo : BTW: haventt been trading there for over 2 years because of their fuckups
[2016-06-20 21:39:55] BitMEX_Sam : They have had infra problems from the very beginning
[2016-06-20 21:40:03] Tetsuo : yeah
[2016-06-20 21:40:04] jung1 : BitMEX_Sam: you were right
[2016-06-20 21:40:04] BitMEX_Sam : Has a lot to do with it not being built for load from the ground-up
[2016-06-20 21:40:05] jung1 : Bitfinex is having an infrastructure issue related to our recent data center migration. Trading has been halted while we investigate. The issue involves the trading engine and the system's internal messaging -- nothing unrelated to funds or system security.
[2016-06-20 21:40:11] rapidtrades : infra?
[2016-06-20 21:40:16] BitMEX_Sam : Infrastructure
[2016-06-20 21:40:18] jung1 : bfx_drew on reddit
[2016-06-20 21:40:21] rapidtrades : ah yes
[2016-06-20 21:40:28] BitMEX_Sam : Rumor has it that BFX was built from the old Bitcoinica leak which was a very slow Ruby application
[2016-06-20 21:40:33] rapidtrades : finex always crashes or lags during big moves
[2016-06-20 21:40:37] jung1 : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/4owvj5/daily_discussion_monday_june_20_2016/#d4h5843
[2016-06-20 21:40:48] BitMEX_Sam : The fact that BFX has scaled at all tells me that they did a lot of work to get off the old codebase, but it is still not quite ready at its core
[2016-06-20 21:41:19] BitMEX_Sam : The long lead time before WS was available and how it is implemented tells me that it was tacked on... it is not built around real-time data as a market should be
[2016-06-20 21:41:21] Tetsuo : Some users report changes to their positions they have not initiated. For example, margin long changing into a short and the like.
[2016-06-20 21:41:32] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, they have the oddest issues when downtime happens
[2016-06-20 21:41:39] BitMEX_Sam : Looks like partial resync between DB slaves
[2016-06-20 21:41:44] zanza : " nothing unrelated to funds or system security."
[2016-06-20 21:41:48] zanza : what does that mean?
[2016-06-20 21:41:56] rapidtrades : guess im lucky i closed my long earlier there
[2016-06-20 21:42:13] mrp1nk : zanza: also noticed that, lol
[2016-06-20 21:42:22] rapidtrades : freudian slip
[2016-06-20 21:42:34] mrp1nk : yupu
[2016-06-20 21:42:40] Tetsuo : rapidtrades: should have removed your funds
[2016-06-20 21:42:51] jung1 : so what will happen whet there will be price drop during this break?
[2016-06-20 21:43:02] rapidtrades : Tetsuo: nah its cool
[2016-06-20 21:43:02] jung1 : all longs will autofill when they back online?
[2016-06-20 21:43:05] Tetsuo : jung1: depends how hard finex will fegg up
[2016-06-20 21:43:09] stf28 : yeah of course "magic orders" at finex happen
[2016-06-20 21:43:52] jung1 : so cmon china
[2016-06-20 21:43:56] jung1 : lets drop some
[2016-06-20 21:44:08] jung1 : more people came here if finex fucked up
[2016-06-20 21:45:25] jung1 : https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/huobi/btccny they already listen to me
[2016-06-20 21:46:05] rapidtrades : of course okc will use this chance to crash the market...of f*cking course
[2016-06-20 21:46:07] jung1 : reddit: [edit, typo and more info: network issue caused db sync error. We are recovering now from history tables.]
[2016-06-20 21:46:38] Tetsuo : bitfinex is almost as much of a clown exchange as Gox was, the only difference is that they haven´t stolen all user funds unitl now, which doesn´t mean it ain´t gonna happen
[2016-06-20 21:46:51] BitMEX_Sam : Guessed right... they have a pretty complex db setup
[2016-06-20 21:47:38] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: what about the chinese exchange? who's built right
[2016-06-20 21:47:58] BitMEX_Sam : A lot of them handle pretty massive traffic, but their APIs are garbage
[2016-06-20 21:48:09] BitMEX_Sam : We get read errors from every single exchange we've ever integrated with
[2016-06-20 21:48:19] BitMEX_Sam : And every blockchain service or pricing service
[2016-06-20 21:48:19] Tetsuo : lol
[2016-06-20 21:48:26] Tetsuo : that sounds confident
[2016-06-20 21:48:39] rapidtrades : BUY BUY BUY
[2016-06-20 21:48:39] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah. The state of crypto APIs is terrible
[2016-06-20 21:49:00] BitMEX_Sam : Even paid blockchain data APIs have seen massive outages on the scale of 8+hrs
[2016-06-20 21:49:04] rapidtrades : then how do bots trade? just shutdown on errors
[2016-06-20 21:49:05] lockhedge : BitMEX_Sam: will you exclude/deweight finex from the index if the price diverges a certain level?
[2016-06-20 21:49:26] halloz : Bfx down - if this drops...its gonna get messy
[2016-06-20 21:49:32] BitMEX_Sam : lockhedge: We don't actually have the ability to do that, Kaiko would need to - but if they are not willing to or cannot we may switch the index
[2016-06-20 21:49:59] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: Yes, generally
[2016-06-20 21:50:07] BitMEX_Sam : This is why you see MMs go out all the time, both here and elsewhere
[2016-06-20 21:50:13] rapidtrades : everything is calm right now....just shows u how much impact finex has
[2016-06-20 21:50:21] BitMEX_Sam : They're all pulling price data from one location or another, and the only safe thing to do when that pricing data drops is to pull
[2016-06-20 21:50:23] jung1 : what about https://winkdex.com/ ?
[2016-06-20 21:50:37] BitMEX_Sam : jung1: :) have not investigated them
[2016-06-20 21:50:51] jung1 : its winklewoss twinss index
[2016-06-20 21:51:01] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah.
[2016-06-20 21:51:13] BitMEX_Sam : In general I try to stay away from services that hype themselves up like that
[2016-06-20 21:52:36] rapidtrades : cmon...40 mins?
[2016-06-20 21:53:59] rapidtrades : it really doesn't seem like an exchange will be that hard to setup
[2016-06-20 21:54:01] Tetsuo : it´s the new "circuit breaker" from the finex guys, they stop tradin when somenones sells 10-20k BTC, so that they can unload their own stuff slowly on another exchange
[2016-06-20 21:54:15] rapidtrades : stop lying
[2016-06-20 21:54:17] BitMEX_Sam : It's very difficult rapidtrades
[2016-06-20 21:54:23] BitMEX_Sam : A lot of moving parts.
[2016-06-20 21:54:40] jung1 : Tetsuo: not impossible
[2016-06-20 21:55:05] Tetsuo : jung1: those guys were crooks from the very beginning
[2016-06-20 21:55:16] justinlooking : give this a look sam: https://github.com/robotfinance/BIX
[2016-06-20 21:55:29] jung1 : 1940 on huobi
[2016-06-20 21:55:33] jung1 : 4900 incomming
[2016-06-20 21:56:02] BitMEX_Sam : justinlooking: Yes, been following it
[2016-06-20 21:56:08] BitMEX_Sam : So far Kaiko has been doing alright
[2016-06-20 21:56:34] jung1 : why you will not build own index?
[2016-06-20 21:56:48] rapidtrades : ok so to change from cross to 50/1 i just place a new order?
[2016-06-20 21:56:49] jung1 : from the scratch
[2016-06-20 21:56:49] halloz : China goin for it
[2016-06-20 21:57:37] BitMEX_Sam : jung1: We could, and we have the pricing data to do it in the future if we need to
[2016-06-20 21:57:51] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: You don't place a new order, you just switch the leverage slider
[2016-06-20 21:57:55] BitMEX_Sam : That's per-position, not per order
[2016-06-20 21:58:03] rapidtrades : choosing 50/1 wont insta rekt me right lol
[2016-06-20 21:58:08] BitMEX_Sam : No
[2016-06-20 21:58:21] BitMEX_Sam : It will fail if it can't allocate the full initial margin requirement (2%)
[2016-06-20 21:58:32] BitMEX_Sam : Changing leverage never causes instant liquidation
[2016-06-20 21:59:12] rapidtrades : ok so if i choose 10/1 instead it will allocate moer funds, resulting in lower liq price if long?
[2016-06-20 21:59:20] BitMEX_Sam : Exactly
[2016-06-20 21:59:21] asdfman : what if something lilke cant update margin shit happends? got this notif a little while ago
[2016-06-20 21:59:24] rapidtrades : compared to 50/1
[2016-06-20 21:59:24] BitMEX_Sam : It only affects allocation of funds
[2016-06-20 21:59:33] BitMEX_Sam : asdfman: Were you adjusting the leverage slider?
[2016-06-20 21:59:42] asdfman : Did not do anything
[2016-06-20 21:59:52] asdfman : just popped up
[2016-06-20 22:00:04] asdfman : not sure where I can find it again
[2016-06-20 22:00:16] BitMEX_Sam : Hmm. Let me check the logs.
[2016-06-20 22:00:56] BitMEX_Sam : How long ago was this?
[2016-06-20 22:02:25] asdfman : shieeet, not sure. within the last 10-12 h
[2016-06-20 22:02:56] BitMEX_Sam : Ah okay, I see it. I see two attempts to lower your leverage on a contract that failed because there wasn't enough underlying margin
[2016-06-20 22:02:58] asdfman : sap with finex? iz ded?
[2016-06-20 22:03:12] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, finex has been not trading for an hour. Database issue
[2016-06-20 22:05:03] rapidtrades : has the liquidation buffer increased? im getting over 10% difference...in other words a liq would cost me $8 per bitcoin
[2016-06-20 22:05:21] jung1 : 4943 on huobi