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[2016-06-17 13:07:12] wurstgelee : BTCDJS: yes ofc.theoretically. but if it worked that way, i wouldnt have my job i guess
[2016-06-17 13:07:13] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-06-17 13:07:16] rapidtrades : making their own country
[2016-06-17 13:07:32] wurstgelee : Teddy76: why cant they cancel them?
[2016-06-17 13:07:45] wurstgelee : the dao gets converted to an withdraw-only- eth contract
[2016-06-17 13:07:59] wurstgelee : people withdraw their invested eth. dao is done
[2016-06-17 13:08:18] wurstgelee : thats pretty much "canceling" i guess
[2016-06-17 13:09:18] wurstgelee : any bitmex admin here?
[2016-06-17 13:09:34] rapidtrades : but eth is doing the hard fork right
[2016-06-17 13:09:40] rapidtrades : so eth=dead
[2016-06-17 13:09:56] Teddy76 : because it's just a bug/hack, no sufficient IMO to abandon
[2016-06-17 13:10:13] BitMEX_Sam : wurstgelee: I'm here
[2016-06-17 13:10:18] rapidtrades : it's the principle @Teddy76
[2016-06-17 13:10:47] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: nothing important, but: i had 3 withdrawals, all executed. received only two execution emails tho
[2016-06-17 13:10:55] wurstgelee : last one never arrived
[2016-06-17 13:11:01] BitMEX_Sam : Okay, hang on - I'll take a look into it
[2016-06-17 13:11:25] rapidtrades : wurstgelee: u have no monies brah
[2016-06-17 13:11:29] Teddy76 : IMO, it's too early to take this kind of decision
[2016-06-17 13:11:39] rapidtrades : what kind of decision
[2016-06-17 13:11:47] Teddy76 : kill DAO
[2016-06-17 13:11:47] BitMEX_Sam : Wow what a morning. I just got up... holy cow
[2016-06-17 13:11:54] rapidtrades : its gone
[2016-06-17 13:11:56] rapidtrades : deal with it
[2016-06-17 13:11:57] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: yep :9
[2016-06-17 13:12:08] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: nope, nothing is gone. everything arrived. just one email didnt
[2016-06-17 13:12:15] wurstgelee : no big issue but maybe something to look at
[2016-06-17 13:12:17] rapidtrades : wurstgelee: not u :)
[2016-06-17 13:12:22] wurstgelee : ah k ;9
[2016-06-17 13:12:25] BitMEX_Sam : wurstgelee: Oh okay, so you got all 3 withdrawals, just 2 emails
[2016-06-17 13:12:28] rapidtrades : dao's gone
[2016-06-17 13:12:33] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: yep
[2016-06-17 13:12:50] wurstgelee : the withdrawal execution emails. conf emails all arrived (obv)
[2016-06-17 13:13:55] migz : Oh boy, bot bids on eth are gone, :P
[2016-06-17 13:15:12] rapidtrades : gone all gonne!
[2016-06-17 13:15:18] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: 10:48 and 10:46 utc
[2016-06-17 13:15:23] wurstgelee : were the emails which arrived
[2016-06-17 13:15:47] BitMEX_Sam : Yep, I see them - looks like two of the confirmations came in exactly the same second on our end from the blockchain
[2016-06-17 13:16:06] rapidtrades : dam
[2016-06-17 13:16:15] wurstgelee : that resulted in email only triggered once?
[2016-06-17 13:16:18] markimarki : i really don't understand pnl i mean what is it good for the mark price is a way under than the entry price how it can be pnl a profit?
[2016-06-17 13:16:40] BitMEX_Sam : Seems that way wurstgelee. That's obviously a bug, I'm investigating :)
[2016-06-17 13:16:53] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: ;)
[2016-06-17 13:17:12] BitMEX_Sam : markimarki: Mark price is used for margining purposes so somebody on one of our markets can't simply run the price up and down, stop hunting or causing liquidations
[2016-06-17 13:17:31] BitMEX_Sam : It allows us to do high-leverage markets and try new markets and still have them be tradeable even if liquidity is low, or sporadically low
[2016-06-17 13:17:52] rapidtrades : bitcoin is the only one true coin left
[2016-06-17 13:18:11] markimarki : BitMEX_Sam: i see thanks
[2016-06-17 13:18:50] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: it is the mother of all coins. always was and prob will be, at least for a while ;)
[2016-06-17 13:19:40] Blargwaffle : Until Blockstream pushes LN.
[2016-06-17 13:19:54] migz : markimarki: mark price is from polo
[2016-06-17 13:20:17] markimarki : and now i lost it
[2016-06-17 13:20:36] migz : Mark price = Polo price :P
[2016-06-17 13:20:45] migz : Yeah?
[2016-06-17 13:20:55] markimarki : poloniex?
[2016-06-17 13:21:37] migz : Yes
[2016-06-17 13:22:52] markimarki : and if the pnl shows profit but the bid prices are much lower if i close my pos i got losses rigth?
[2016-06-17 13:23:09] rapidtrades : yea
[2016-06-17 13:23:21] wurstgelee : did anyboy notice btc is on the way to 5k again? with all those eyes on eth/DAOß .P
[2016-06-17 13:23:24] rapidtrades : u can only execute on bids/asks
[2016-06-17 13:23:48] markimarki : 5k?
[2016-06-17 13:24:20] wurstgelee : markimarki: 5000 CNY in china
[2016-06-17 13:24:45] Blargwaffle : 5000 Cunty.
[2016-06-17 13:24:51] markimarki : :D
[2016-06-17 13:24:52] wurstgelee : yep, those
[2016-06-17 13:24:54] rapidtrades : 5000 small ones
[2016-06-17 13:25:21] rapidtrades : yuan chilling in that 6.6 area still
[2016-06-17 13:25:33] markimarki : and the mark price changes according to?
[2016-06-17 13:26:06] rapidtrades : on what
[2016-06-17 13:27:16] huangyong : BitMEX_Sam: 今天发的那个通知，也就是说以后都按照溢价指数计算利率了，不参考bitfinex的利率了是吧？？？
[2016-06-17 13:27:27] huangyong : BitMEX_Sam:
[2016-06-17 13:27:46] markimarki : can you give me a link with all the help about mark price and all this stuff?
[2016-06-17 13:28:06] rapidtrades : no im self-taught
[2016-06-17 13:28:11] wurstgelee : markimarki: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking
[2016-06-17 13:28:20] markimarki : thanks
[2016-06-17 13:28:22] wurstgelee : np
[2016-06-17 13:28:28] rapidtrades : also i can't read
[2016-06-17 13:28:35] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: haha, that i remember
[2016-06-17 13:28:38] wurstgelee : 8)
[2016-06-17 13:28:45] zanza : morning gents
[2016-06-17 13:28:55] wurstgelee : zanza: gday
[2016-06-17 13:29:04] zanza : did I miss anything interesting?
[2016-06-17 13:29:10] rapidtrades : zanza: well well, if it isn't zanza sporting a fashionable green today
[2016-06-17 13:29:21] zanza : right-o chap
[2016-06-17 13:29:51] rapidtrades : bitcoin crashed, DAO got hacked, eth crashed, BTC rallid
[2016-06-17 13:29:55] rapidtrades : ur welcome
[2016-06-17 13:29:59] zanza : ROFL what
[2016-06-17 13:30:03] zanza : eth 21 ?!?
[2016-06-17 13:31:09] zanza : omg DAO HACK
[2016-06-17 13:31:55] rapidtrades : lol this guy is a slow reader or what
[2016-06-17 13:32:10] rapidtrades : took him 2 mins to process my comment
[2016-06-17 13:32:31] wurstgelee : some technical details about what happened with DAO and how they are goind to fix it: https://blog.ethcore.io/attack-on-thedao-what-will-be-your-response/
[2016-06-17 13:33:01] rapidtrades : SPOILER ALERT: They're doing a chargeback
[2016-06-17 13:33:08] wurstgelee : zanza: DAO is done. it's end is set in stone and official
[2016-06-17 13:33:45] rapidtrades : ok so why isn't DAO here at 0
[2016-06-17 13:33:51] rapidtrades : what's the value
[2016-06-17 13:34:36] huangyong : BitMEX_Sam: Withdrawal，why not sent
[2016-06-17 13:34:57] rapidtrades : did u confirm the email
[2016-06-17 13:35:06] BitMEX_Sam : huangyong: I am waiting for one of the partners to come back, he is traveling and will be online very shortly
[2016-06-17 13:35:09] BitMEX_Sam : I apologize for the delay
[2016-06-17 13:35:13] rapidtrades : ah
[2016-06-17 13:36:18] kendang : bitcoin transactions are a bit slow today. not even 1 confirmation after 10 mins.
[2016-06-17 13:37:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 159 @ 0.02158
[2016-06-17 13:37:49] rapidtrades : kendang: waited 15--20 yday with 37 cents fee
[2016-06-17 13:38:13] huangyong : BitMEX_Sam: Oh, yeah ，wait 30 minutes is ok
[2016-06-17 13:38:45] zanza : they are going to roll back DAO?
[2016-06-17 13:38:54] kendang : zanza: seems like it
[2016-06-17 13:39:17] wurstgelee : zanza: not roll back, convert it into wathdrawal-only contract
[2016-06-17 13:39:23] wurstgelee : everybody gets his eth back, dao is done
[2016-06-17 13:39:31] wurstgelee : *i
[2016-06-17 13:41:12] rapidtrades : don't give me dao nao
[2016-06-17 13:41:16] rapidtrades : maybe later :)
[2016-06-17 13:41:30] rapidtrades : srsly tho why isn't it at 0
[2016-06-17 13:41:36] rapidtrades : is it withdrawable as eth
[2016-06-17 13:41:38] rapidtrades : or wht
[2016-06-17 13:42:55] rapidtrades : i thought u guys used 'fundamentals' in ur analysis
[2016-06-17 13:43:07] j8 : if it was zero they'd all have to stop trading it and find something else to do
[2016-06-17 13:43:21] aethlios : 100 dao are recovered to 1 eth?? I see a nice arb here.
[2016-06-17 13:43:25] rapidtrades : j8: lol
[2016-06-17 13:43:34] rapidtrades : aethlios: how so
[2016-06-17 13:43:36] wurstgelee : aethlios: they cant do plain 100
[2016-06-17 13:43:40] rapidtrades : lead me jew
[2016-06-17 13:43:43] wurstgelee : because some people paid more or less
[2016-06-17 13:43:48] wurstgelee : prob depends on where u bought it
[2016-06-17 13:43:54] rapidtrades : this jew knows his arbs
[2016-06-17 13:44:05] wurstgelee : i would assume u get exactly the amount of eth back u originally put in
[2016-06-17 13:44:12] wurstgelee : but dunno
[2016-06-17 13:44:43] rapidtrades : ok so if i bought dao with eth on polo....what happens in 27 days
[2016-06-17 13:44:48] aethlios : it can't be below 100:1 now market price is 140:1, so there is a 40%
[2016-06-17 13:45:09] justinlooking : blew up my finex acc :(
[2016-06-17 13:45:13] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: in 27 days, you will be cursing the dao team
[2016-06-17 13:45:24] wurstgelee : justinlooking: btc long and went to sleep? oO
[2016-06-17 13:45:43] rapidtrades : why...we didn't drop that far?
[2016-06-17 13:45:43] justinlooking : pretty much!
[2016-06-17 13:45:47] rapidtrades : wat
[2016-06-17 13:46:09] arbitrage001 : justinlooking: finex only have 3 times leverage
[2016-06-17 13:46:15] rapidtrades : how can u blow up with 3/1
[2016-06-17 13:46:25] wurstgelee : justinlooking: i did the same the whole last week, yesterday i put in a stop limit order
[2016-06-17 13:46:26] arbitrage001 : price dint move by 33%
[2016-06-17 13:46:28] wurstgelee : for no real reason
[2016-06-17 13:46:30] wurstgelee : saved my ass
[2016-06-17 13:46:31] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-06-17 13:47:07] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: its much less to be liqudated if u maxed it out
[2016-06-17 13:47:23] rapidtrades : certainly not 10% drop tho?
[2016-06-17 13:47:53] justinlooking : resting bids and poorly placed stops. way too bullish last night, missed the fun this morning...
[2016-06-17 13:48:08] justinlooking : got 2 bob left and a red face
[2016-06-17 13:48:10] rapidtrades : he used stops folks!
[2016-06-17 13:48:46] rapidtrades : so max u lost what 30ish percent? pfft not a blowup
[2016-06-17 13:51:25] jung1 : funny that dao still hold some value
[2016-06-17 13:51:25] jung1 : drop only 40%
[2016-06-17 13:51:27] huangyong : Withdrawal is Completed
[2016-06-17 13:51:41] BitMEX_Sam : huangyong: :+1:
[2016-06-17 13:51:59] rapidtrades : jung1: whats the actual value for it...like book value or whaever
[2016-06-17 13:52:02] migz : Finally
[2016-06-17 13:52:36] huangyong : BitMEX_Sam: thanks
[2016-06-17 13:55:47] billz : jung1: actually it's really dumb of people to be selling their DAO
[2016-06-17 13:56:07] jung1 : yeah
[2016-06-17 13:56:14] jung1 : maybe I will buy some
[2016-06-17 13:56:24] billz : Yeah, apparently it will all be refunded into regular ETH, so as long as ETH holds up then DAo holders will be okay
[2016-06-17 13:56:33] rapidtrades : why
[2016-06-17 13:56:52] rapidtrades : what's the ratio tho
[2016-06-17 13:57:05] billz : a good 25% difference
[2016-06-17 13:57:18] billz : more than that right now
[2016-06-17 13:57:23] rapidtrades : so its at 25% discount?
[2016-06-17 13:57:50] billz : DAO is at 0.0001449 on polo and ETH at 0.0215 so yeah a little more than 25%
[2016-06-17 13:58:00] jung1 : so if I will buy dao now, daohub could withrawal me ethereum in future?
[2016-06-17 13:58:21] migz : dont buy anycoin :) better hold to your btc before halving
[2016-06-17 13:58:41] billz : "We would like to give you the option to agree on another state of the world. In this state theDAO attacker would not be allowed to take control of the ether inside theDAO - nor would he or she be able to move or spend it. Instead, the DAO tokens will be returned to the Dao token holders, theDAO experiment will end and we will move on wiser." according to ETHcore team
[2016-06-17 13:59:37] rapidtrades : ^ don't expect anything more from a pair of ruskies
[2016-06-17 14:00:41] aethlios : jung1: that's the risk, can you trust them? if they change rules? I wouldn't risk it
[2016-06-17 14:01:02] billz : incomplete quote actually "We will offer you this choice through an optional update to the parity client that will move ether to a recovery contract that will allow DAO token holders to recover their ether. This will maintain consensus with other updates from the Geth team and the CPP team."
[2016-06-17 14:16:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 19000 @ 752.27
[2016-06-17 14:18:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 450 @ 750.78
[2016-06-17 14:19:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1200 @ 749.40
[2016-06-17 14:19:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 200 @ 748.60
[2016-06-17 14:21:59] Bacon futures trader : Do you use a stop market or stop limit order for a sl on a short position?
[2016-06-17 14:22:06] elmorte : billz: where can I read this?
[2016-06-17 14:22:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 8 @ 0.02251
[2016-06-17 14:25:34] elmorte : Nvm, Google's got it
[2016-06-17 14:26:23] billz : elmorte: yeah ethcore website
[2016-06-17 14:40:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 467 @ 0.02291
[2016-06-17 14:41:38] jung1 : http://mypoliticsmoney.com/the-white-house-bitcoin/
[2016-06-17 14:42:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 30 @ 0.02317
[2016-06-17 14:44:44] BTCDJS : looks like everything back to normal
[2016-06-17 15:05:12] Mr Blue : Harsh I got liquidated with Eth this morning, turns out only its good to do a x2 lol others too risky with Eth.
[2016-06-17 15:05:29] Mr Blue : It's only*
[2016-06-17 15:19:17] aethlios : Mr Blue: shorted eth again 0.02175 but 2500 this time, target 0.01755, let's see.
[2016-06-17 15:23:10] BitMEX_Sam : https://github.com/slockit/DAO/pull/259/files
[2016-06-17 15:28:04] zanza : just curious, if the XBT price is matching the spot , why is next interest rate .75% ?
[2016-06-17 15:32:49] BitMEX_Sam : zanza: It was set 4 hours ago based on the premium from the last 8hr period
[2016-06-17 15:33:57] BitMEX_Wally : Chart here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.XBTUSDPI
[2016-06-17 15:37:08] BTCDJS : Whats happened to finex?
[2016-06-17 15:37:30] j8 : scheduled maintenance https://bitfinex.statuspage.io/
[2016-06-17 15:37:36] BTCDJS : j8: ahh
[2016-06-17 15:37:39] BTCDJS : thanks
[2016-06-17 15:42:13] jung1 : dao, okc, bitfinex
[2016-06-17 15:42:20] jung1 : good day for bitcoin
[2016-06-17 15:46:33] zanza : got it. Did you guys ever consider increasing the funding periods, like for example 24 times per day on the hour?
[2016-06-17 15:49:27] BitMEX_Sam : We have considered it, but we are reluctant to make any breaking changes for quite some time until we are absolutely sure a move like that is necessary
[2016-06-17 15:50:00] tscha : BitMEX_Sam: +1
[2016-06-17 15:52:54] JohnBoeg : Did the max XBTUSD premium get locked at 0.75%?
[2016-06-17 15:53:20] BitMEX_Sam : I believe it just happened that way. The max is 1.125%
[2016-06-17 15:53:50] JohnBoeg : I'm seeing 0.75% consistently righ now at the minute chart
[2016-06-17 15:54:02] JohnBoeg : Ok coincidence :-)?
[2016-06-17 15:54:29] BitMEX_Sam : Hang on. May have had something to do with the BFX outage
[2016-06-17 15:54:34] JohnBoeg : Ok tx
[2016-06-17 15:54:56] tscha : It can't change more than 0.375% in one funding period
[2016-06-17 15:55:10] tscha : 1.125% - 0.375% = 0.75%
[2016-06-17 15:55:11] JohnBoeg : Yeah but that;s the 8hr thing, not the minute thing
[2016-06-17 15:55:51] tscha : ah ok now I know what you mean
[2016-06-17 15:59:26] BitMEX_Sam : The reason `.XBTUSDPI` hasn't changed is because the mark price is in between the impactBid and impactAsk prices
[2016-06-17 15:59:51] BitMEX_Sam : So we consider the funding rate correct while that is true and the index doesn't change
[2016-06-17 16:00:16] JohnBoeg : Ok, so no changes in the underlying product. This could have happend last week as well?
[2016-06-17 16:00:35] BitMEX_Sam : Last week there was not a premium index and the funding was 100% based on BFX rates
[2016-06-17 16:01:06] JohnBoeg : Yeah, ok, I mean yesterday :-)
[2016-06-17 16:01:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 405 @ 743.57
[2016-06-17 16:01:22] BitMEX_Sam : Ah yes. Yeah it can happen at any time if the mark price is in between the spread
[2016-06-17 16:01:31] JohnBoeg : Ok thanks for checking
[2016-06-17 16:02:07] JohnBoeg : If anything does change for any reason, I'll get an e-mail in advance right?
[2016-06-17 16:02:26] rapidtrades : sure, about 18h in advance
[2016-06-17 16:02:50] JohnBoeg : Good enough. Appreciate it guys. Great way of offering support!
[2016-06-17 16:02:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 200 @ 740.45
[2016-06-17 16:02:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4512 @ 739.91
[2016-06-17 16:04:09] JohnBoeg : BitMEX_Sam could you confirm what rapidtrades says?
[2016-06-17 16:04:37] BitMEX_Sam : JohnBoeg: Changes are announced at least 1W in advance
[2016-06-17 16:04:47] JohnBoeg : Great, thanks!
[2016-06-17 16:04:50] BitMEX_Sam : Rapidtrades is referring to an incident this weekend where we had to make a quick change to the funding rate calculation on XBTUSD
[2016-06-17 16:05:06] JohnBoeg : :-), got it. It's a fast market anyway
[2016-06-17 16:05:19] JohnBoeg : HAve a good day. Thanks
[2016-06-17 16:05:23] BitMEX_Sam : You too.
[2016-06-17 16:05:48] tscha : what a nice user... full of optimism and hope
[2016-06-17 16:05:51] tscha : must be new :)
[2016-06-17 16:11:22] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-06-17 16:16:18] elmorte : Probably Sam's "other" account
[2016-06-17 16:17:36] elmorte : We got the colours back, cheers @BitMEX_Sam
[2016-06-17 16:18:00] BitMEX_Sam : elmorte: Yeah - apologies for that, did some internal refactoring and didn't realize the change
[2016-06-17 16:18:00] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 25 @ 0.02197
[2016-06-17 16:21:33] Rado : we like the colours :-)
[2016-06-17 16:24:31] BitMEX_Sam : Yes indeed. It's actually the same component that calculates the color of the order IDs in your order / trade history, just had a small bug in it
[2016-06-17 16:26:56] mjmj83 : Sam, are you sure the XBTUSDPI of 0.75% is correct? I know XBTUSDPI does not change when the mark price is in the middle of the Bid and Ask. But it's often exactly 0.75%. Too often in my opinion. It really looks like a cap.
[2016-06-17 16:27:19] BitMEX_Sam : It is because this period's funding rate happened to be 0.7500%
[2016-06-17 16:27:28] jung1 : eth 215
[2016-06-17 16:27:33] BitMEX_Sam : So when the mark price is in between the bid/ask, the PI == current funding rate
[2016-06-17 16:27:52] jung1 : 214
[2016-06-17 16:27:53] mjmj83 : What is the PI?
[2016-06-17 16:28:03] mjmj83 : Price Index
[2016-06-17 16:28:04] jung1 : profit/loss
[2016-06-17 16:28:06] BitMEX_Sam : Premium Index
[2016-06-17 16:28:27] BitMEX_Sam : Ah okay Wally informs me there is a reason why it was exactly 0.7500% this period
[2016-06-17 16:28:35] BitMEX_Sam : It went up to the absolute max last period, which was 1.125%
[2016-06-17 16:28:42] billz : ETH mark price is pretty slow to update today
[2016-06-17 16:28:48] mjmj83 : Because it is 0.75% currently
[2016-06-17 16:28:50] BitMEX_Sam : The funding rate can only change by at most 0.375% per period, so it went down to 0.750% exactly
[2016-06-17 16:28:51] mjmj83 : i see
[2016-06-17 16:28:56] mjmj83 : Yes
[2016-06-17 16:29:00] BitMEX_Sam : See https://www.bitmex.com/app/fundingHistory
[2016-06-17 16:29:04] mjmj83 : I understand now
[2016-06-17 16:29:14] mjmj83 : quite arbitrary.. but i'll accept it. hehe
[2016-06-17 16:29:24] mjmj83 : (what can i do anyway)
[2016-06-17 16:29:26] BitMEX_Sam : :+1: I apologize that it is so difficult to figure out, I'm working on better ways to display this so it will be more obvious
[2016-06-17 16:29:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 9 @ 0.02157
[2016-06-17 16:30:13] mjmj83 : I understand.. it's also a special instrument... happy you figured out that it stays around spot.. i know some people here are not happy about it..
[2016-06-17 16:30:26] mjmj83 : tx for your explain
[2016-06-17 16:30:41] BitMEX_Sam : The 1.125% cap is in fact simply calculated by `(IM - MM) * 0.75`
[2016-06-17 16:31:02] BitMEX_Sam : It is intentional to cap the movement by 75% of maintenance margin in order to prevent liquidations
[2016-06-17 16:31:28] BitMEX_Sam : I agree that last weekend was not ideal but the new system is working quite well - there was a lot of initial confusion and anger but the product is trading much better and that has helped significantly
[2016-06-17 16:32:40] mjmj83 : Yes, thanks..
[2016-06-17 16:32:42] mjmj83 : (Y)
[2016-06-17 16:33:00] rapidtrades : stil can't believe sept got marked at 943
[2016-06-17 16:33:47] rapidtrades : let's hope the crash happens after june 25 when liquidity shifts to it more
[2016-06-17 16:33:57] rapidtrades : it's a f nightmare right now
[2016-06-17 16:35:02] BitMEX_Sam : By the way if you guys are interested in more detail about how the DAO bug happened: http://vessenes.com/more-ethereum-attacks-race-to-empty-is-the-real-deal/
[2016-06-17 16:35:04] mjmj83 : it's because of the volatilty.. what do you think is a better? more or even less?
[2016-06-17 16:35:21] Rado : ETH blood on the street
[2016-06-17 16:35:33] rapidtrades : mjmj83: asking me?
[2016-06-17 16:35:39] mjmj83 : rapidtrades: yes
[2016-06-17 16:35:40] Rado : thanks BitMEX_Sam
[2016-06-17 16:36:26] rapidtrades : cause of the DPE risk....now despite having losses from 500 from 943, if we crash im still liable for clawback @mjmj83
[2016-06-17 16:37:20] rapidtrades : its also illiquid as shit right now, making DPE more likely
[2016-06-17 16:37:42] mjmj83 : yes, correct.. it needs some marketmaker over there to make it more liquid
[2016-06-17 16:37:43] rapidtrades : from 500>943
[2016-06-17 16:39:08] rapidtrades : mjmj83: yeah mm here tend to pullout during volatile times
[2016-06-17 16:39:12] rapidtrades : its frustrating
[2016-06-17 16:39:24] mjmj83 : ok, i dunno how the dpe works for that instrument..
[2016-06-17 16:39:41] tscha : I think many people (including me) are just reading the contract details because they think they cover all the details. But the matter of fact is that the contract details are not complete, and many specifics are covered in the so called "swap guide" which people who do understand how swaps work often don't read
[2016-06-17 16:39:42] mjmj83 : but you could hedge 24jun against 796 if you like
[2016-06-17 16:40:24] jung1 : aaaand we are under 20 again
[2016-06-17 16:40:31] rapidtrades : niceeeeeeeee
[2016-06-17 16:40:39] tscha : I don't really know how to solve this, because obviously it's not possible to squeeze all the details in the pre-defined contract details list
[2016-06-17 16:40:57] jung1 : 19
[2016-06-17 16:41:01] jung1 : weee
[2016-06-17 16:41:09] rapidtrades : plz we don't need play by play
[2016-06-17 16:42:04] migz : sorry love. <3
[2016-06-17 16:43:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 15 @ 0.01981
[2016-06-17 16:43:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 300 @ 0.01931
[2016-06-17 16:43:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 27 @ 0.02029
[2016-06-17 16:43:42] BitMEX_Sam : I notice that the XBTUSD specification doesn't link to the Swaps Guide, I'll remedy that
[2016-06-17 16:46:30] messiaen8844 : needs better liquidity on xbj24h sam
[2016-06-17 16:46:35] jung1 : damn they selling hard
[2016-06-17 16:46:36] jung1 : eth
[2016-06-17 16:46:43] jung1 : 80k volume on polo
[2016-06-17 16:47:14] rapidtrades : weeeeeeeeeeee
[2016-06-17 16:47:20] rapidtrades : kill it with selling
[2016-06-17 16:47:46] yerb : ETH mark price is not updating please switch to finex
[2016-06-17 16:47:47] BitMEX_Sam : messiaen8844: Just pinged the MM, he says he's back in
[2016-06-17 16:48:16] messiaen8844 : well,, he is not MM it right . once an order gets in he shuts everything
[2016-06-17 16:48:36] messiaen8844 : maybe it should be removed until there's real liquidity
[2016-06-17 16:49:04] rapidtrades : can't u 'cheat' the f*cked by doing 1 contracts
[2016-06-17 16:49:33] rapidtrades : bots are usally so greedy they wil undercut anything
[2016-06-17 16:50:29] messiaen8844 : this one is different, he simples disappear
[2016-06-17 16:50:36] messiaen8844 : no limit orders can make he show up again
[2016-06-17 16:51:02] rapidtrades : i see
[2016-06-17 16:51:04] messiaen8844 : and it spreads very few orders with huge huge spreads
[2016-06-17 16:51:12] rapidtrades : yeah true
[2016-06-17 16:51:20] rapidtrades : same on sept...
[2016-06-17 16:51:26] messiaen8844 : no, sept is fine
[2016-06-17 16:51:32] yerb : BitMEX_Sam: ETH spot price is not updating, can you switch to bitfinex or kraken?
[2016-06-17 16:51:33] messiaen8844 : XBJ is a shitshow
[2016-06-17 16:51:41] rapidtrades : no jew, it is not. I assure u @messiaen8844
[2016-06-17 16:52:07] BitMEX_Sam : yerb: We're looking into it now
[2016-06-17 16:53:27] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: polo is almost dead
[2016-06-17 16:53:30] wurstgelee : thats y i guess
[2016-06-17 16:53:37] wurstgelee : prob ddos
[2016-06-17 16:53:42] wurstgelee : almost unresponsive
[2016-06-17 16:53:46] wurstgelee : lots of nginx 404
[2016-06-17 16:53:59] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah. We're increasing the pricing timeout but if we don't have a reliable response soon we will failover to Kraken
[2016-06-17 16:54:22] migz : kraken? yay. It has no support. lol
[2016-06-17 16:55:57] rapidtrades : hehe
[2016-06-17 16:58:07] CaptainDean : BitMEX_Sam: I did a deposit .. I received an email saying that the transaction was in the block it was pending and now ... no bitcoin no pending status no more traces ?
[2016-06-17 16:58:26] BitMEX_Sam : CaptainDean: Do you see it as confirmed in any block explorer?
[2016-06-17 16:58:27] messiaen8844 : probably stuck in mempool
[2016-06-17 16:58:55] messiaen8844 : that happens when network is too busy, it will show after a while
[2016-06-17 16:59:35] rapidtrades : rally over or we push to 1k?
[2016-06-17 17:00:08] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: weren't you laughing at people shorting earlier?
[2016-06-17 17:00:29] rapidtrades : just asking brah
[2016-06-17 17:00:40] rapidtrades : trading daily charts is boring
[2016-06-17 17:01:32] BTCDJS : well daily says push up to next level which it 825 to me. But I don't know if bitcoin wants to retrace to 600s now or then
[2016-06-17 17:01:55] CaptainDean : BitMEX_Sam: let me check
[2016-06-17 17:02:31] BTCDJS : or will it push higher and then drop and settle sideways
[2016-06-17 17:02:59] CaptainDean : BitMEX_Sam: it's still unconfirmed, so i will wait until it's confirmed, thanks . It's just that i was not saying the pending transaction anymore in my history
[2016-06-17 17:03:11] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: what do you recon?
[2016-06-17 17:03:16] BitMEX_Sam : Ah yes, it likely dropped out of our local mempool
[2016-06-17 17:03:23] BitMEX_Sam : Once it confirms it will be back and you'll receive an email.
[2016-06-17 17:04:28] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: today's reversal looks to confirm bullish scenario
[2016-06-17 17:05:34] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: If bullish Then I would take care at 825 Finex chart
[2016-06-17 17:06:24] rapidtrades : idk i think china's chart may be better right now
[2016-06-17 17:06:30] rapidtrades : cos 5k is major level there
[2016-06-17 17:07:27] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: Ok good to know. Hope its not a bullish fake
[2016-06-17 17:07:30] rapidtrades : so idk around 5,200
[2016-06-17 17:07:36] rapidtrades : yuan
[2016-06-17 17:07:53] rapidtrades : about $35 from here
[2016-06-17 17:08:42] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: well last night's push failed to clear 5,000 so there's that
[2016-06-17 17:09:25] BTCDJS : I must say I do feel like its bullish. But I am overthinking it. Or probably lack of knowledge or experience to make a proper decision
[2016-06-17 17:09:57] rapidtrades : longer charts 4h and up, bullish no doubt
[2016-06-17 17:10:48] rapidtrades : this rally was so strong that the uptrend wasn't broken even on 4h
[2016-06-17 17:11:08] rapidtrades : from $450 to here
[2016-06-17 17:11:42] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: Oh yeah. That 4h chart does look good
[2016-06-17 17:11:50] rapidtrades : its obviously highly overbought as well...but that always happens during trends
[2016-06-17 17:13:53] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: when it comes down it will come down quite a bit. But at least it will be above 450
[2016-06-17 17:14:10] BTCDJS : By the overbought rationale
[2016-06-17 17:14:29] rapidtrades : yeah aside from a major okc f*ck up, we shouldn't correct more then $200 in first push
[2016-06-17 17:14:59] rapidtrades : even $150 would prolly be pushing it
[2016-06-17 17:15:38] BTCDJS : Only sad thing is Ill not be able to afford to buy bitcoin so cheap again.
[2016-06-17 17:15:58] rapidtrades : i wouldn't be so sure, I expect this rally to reverse most or all of the gains
[2016-06-17 17:16:01] BTCDJS : Im going to have to become very good at this
[2016-06-17 17:16:11] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 25000 @ 756.52 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-06-17 17:16:18] rapidtrades : but i wouldn't be buying into that :)
[2016-06-17 17:16:58] rapidtrades : if previous halvings are a guide, we're gonna enter a prolonged bear market
[2016-06-17 17:17:15] migz : good thing i am not trading on polo. and not losing money. lmao
[2016-06-17 17:17:15] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: hope so
[2016-06-17 17:17:32] rapidtrades : migz: haha
[2016-06-17 17:17:48] migz : i could watch the chaos safely here in bitmex, such wow.
[2016-06-17 17:18:05] BTCDJS : migz: safely for now
[2016-06-17 17:18:25] migz : only the chosens are here. :)
[2016-06-17 17:18:39] rapidtrades : okc above 750
[2016-06-17 17:18:46] BTCDJS : withdrawals are only once a day. Imagine if you knew something was wrong here. you couldn't withdraw in time
[2016-06-17 17:19:00] rapidtrades : yeah pretty f-ed up
[2016-06-17 17:19:23] BTCDJS : only keep a small amount here
[2016-06-17 17:19:45] BTCDJS : withdraw profits regularly
[2016-06-17 17:19:50] migz : Duly noted :)
[2016-06-17 17:23:07] lockhedge : BTCDJS: the fact that there is no hot wallet / automatic withdraw option makes bitmex the most secure trading platform
[2016-06-17 17:23:55] BTCDJS : lockhedge: oh yeah I get that. But hackers aren't the only reason something can go wrong
[2016-06-17 17:23:58] rapidtrades : not exactly, mtgox basically haxed himself
[2016-06-17 17:24:07] Tedy : How long is profit witheld?
[2016-06-17 17:24:13] rapidtrades : forever
[2016-06-17 17:24:19] rapidtrades : its mine now
[2016-06-17 17:24:24] BTCDJS : Tedy: a very long time
[2016-06-17 17:24:29] BTCDJS : 1 month
[2016-06-17 17:24:39] Tedy : Haha next day at 14.00 yeah ? xD
[2016-06-17 17:24:41] rapidtrades : Tedy: which instrument
[2016-06-17 17:25:17] Tedy : @rapidtrades perpetual swap
[2016-06-17 17:25:27] rapidtrades : btc?
[2016-06-17 17:25:48] BTCDJS : Tedy: ooh thats quarterly. very 3 months
[2016-06-17 17:26:06] Tedy : Yes BTC
[2016-06-17 17:26:16] rapidtrades : btc is every day but smtimes they release 50% after 8 hrs
[2016-06-17 17:26:33] Tedy : rapidtrades: Okei cool ^^
[2016-06-17 17:26:38] rapidtrades : not sure if they still do it with current volatility
[2016-06-17 17:26:51] Tedy : BTCDJS: I love how much you are just trolling everybody new in here xD
[2016-06-17 17:27:11] BTCDJS : well it is a trollbox
[2016-06-17 17:27:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 15 @ 0.01969
[2016-06-17 17:28:19] BTCDJS : is everyone the same colour in the trollbox?
[2016-06-17 17:29:05] rapidtrades : nope
[2016-06-17 17:29:29] rapidtrades : prolly ur monitor's f*Cked
[2016-06-17 17:29:39] BTCDJS : everyone is the colour of my name in mine
[2016-06-17 17:29:48] rapidtrades : weird
[2016-06-17 17:29:49] bobo : maybe CTRL + F5?
[2016-06-17 17:29:54] bobo : reload it
[2016-06-17 17:30:00] bobo : i got difrent colors
[2016-06-17 17:30:11] BTCDJS : bobo: really?
[2016-06-17 17:30:20] bobo : yes
[2016-06-17 17:30:20] BTCDJS : CTRL F5
[2016-06-17 17:30:24] BTCDJS : really?
[2016-06-17 17:30:35] bobo : ah. that refreshes your browser
[2016-06-17 17:30:37] bobo : could help
[2016-06-17 17:30:44] bobo : or CTRL+ R
[2016-06-17 17:30:45] BTCDJS : ok done it
[2016-06-17 17:30:49] bobo : and?
[2016-06-17 17:30:53] BTCDJS : nothing
[2016-06-17 17:30:57] rapidtrades : bobo: u should refresh too
[2016-06-17 17:31:03] rapidtrades : helps to speed things up
[2016-06-17 17:31:12] bobo : u joking?
[2016-06-17 17:31:15] rapidtrades : nah
[2016-06-17 17:31:50] bobo : speed up things for what? orderbook?
[2016-06-17 17:32:18] rapidtrades : yea
[2016-06-17 17:32:58] migz : green for noob, brown for shits? @_@
[2016-06-17 17:33:11] migz : too much color here. waaa
[2016-06-17 17:33:38] BTCDJS : Ah there we go
[2016-06-17 17:34:35] rapidtrades : oh...they fiex it
[2016-06-17 17:34:40] bobo : BTCDJS: back in colourfull wonderland?
[2016-06-17 17:34:47] BTCDJS : bobo: thanks bobo. Are you a friendly clown?
[2016-06-17 17:35:10] bobo : i am friendly, sure. you?
[2016-06-17 17:35:34] jung1 : so we are going for 800?
[2016-06-17 17:35:43] BTCDJS : im not a clown. but I am friendly yes
[2016-06-17 17:36:18] BTCDJS : jung1: 10k
[2016-06-17 17:37:02] migz : Bobo means?
[2016-06-17 17:38:00] BTCDJS : migz: bobo the clown
[2016-06-17 17:38:29] BTCDJS : ?
[2016-06-17 17:38:33] migz : Ahaha lol meaning is idiot.
[2016-06-17 17:38:37] BTCDJS : Im kidding
[2016-06-17 17:39:00] bobo : it's ok guys :)
[2016-06-17 17:39:34] BTCDJS : migz: why is meaning idiot?
[2016-06-17 17:39:51] migz : Filipino word i guess.
[2016-06-17 17:40:10] bobo : But maybe I am an idiot... tun tunnn..
[2016-06-17 17:40:26] bobo : whatever, happy trading guys, GL!
[2016-06-17 17:40:34] BTCDJS : migz: bobo is afrikaans for power
[2016-06-17 17:40:42] migz : Ohhh
[2016-06-17 17:41:06] BTCDJS : bobo: Good luck power
[2016-06-17 17:41:15] bobo : lol
[2016-06-17 17:41:50] Blargwaffle : Bobo sounds like a chimp, or panda...
[2016-06-17 17:42:44] Blargwaffle : Clown, even.
[2016-06-17 17:42:48] bobo : or a baboon?
[2016-06-17 17:43:52] BTCDJS : Blargwaffle: Blargwaffle sounds like a vaginal disease
[2016-06-17 17:44:09] Blargwaffle : No, sounds more like vomitting a waffle.
[2016-06-17 17:44:24] BTCDJS : Blargwaffle: google blue waffle
[2016-06-17 17:44:30] Blargwaffle : That I won't do.
[2016-06-17 17:44:38] bobo : :D
[2016-06-17 17:45:28] bobo : damned, blue waffle is ugly
[2016-06-17 17:45:48] bobo : thanks @BTCDJS , you made my day :)
[2016-06-17 17:46:41] BTCDJS : bobo: oh no bobo. Not you. You should've stayed away. Now you'll be making this blargwaffle noise while you trade
[2016-06-17 17:47:13] BTCDJS : you'll be blargwaffling all over the place now
[2016-06-17 17:50:06] rapidtrades : okc now above finex
[2016-06-17 17:51:42] bobo : Crap, too late @BTCDJS.. too goddamn late.
[2016-06-17 17:52:45] BTCDJS : bobo: sorry bobo.
[2016-06-17 17:53:23] BTCDJS : nobody enjoys blargwaffling I feel your pain
[2016-06-17 17:55:55] elmorte : @Bitmex_Sam still around?
[2016-06-17 17:56:21] BTCDJS : elmorte: yeah he works here still.
[2016-06-17 17:56:31] BTCDJS : part time though
[2016-06-17 17:56:32] BitMEX_Sam : Yep
[2016-06-17 17:57:30] elmorte : BitMEX_Sam: you apologised three times in the last few hours. Don't use up the Bitmex annual quota!
[2016-06-17 17:57:47] BitMEX_Sam : Sorry
[2016-06-17 17:57:54] elmorte : Doh!
[2016-06-17 17:58:02] BTCDJS : elmorte: don't make me blargwaffle
[2016-06-17 17:58:19] elmorte : BTCDJS: then don't look in the mirror
[2016-06-17 17:58:28] BTCDJS : k
[2016-06-17 17:59:08] elmorte : You'd love my waffles, anyway
[2016-06-17 17:59:41] BTCDJS : elmorte: I'm married and straight. Sorry
[2016-06-17 18:02:08] elmorte : BitMEX_Sam: Does Wally actually do any coding? And do you have to fix it after?
[2016-06-17 18:02:20] BitMEX_Sam : elmorte: We don't touch each others' code all that often, it's very different
[2016-06-17 18:02:30] BitMEX_Sam : I do a lot of systems work, servers, operations, etc., and all the JS
[2016-06-17 18:02:41] BitMEX_Sam : He does KDB+/q, which is insane and I try not to touch it
[2016-06-17 18:03:06] zanza : So DAO had bug, flaw in code, but now DAO price in unchanged, and ETH is tanking
[2016-06-17 18:03:09] BitMEX_Sam : The trading engine is powered by KDB+
[2016-06-17 18:03:14] CrazyEarner : BitMEX_Sam: How do you get in contact with support here via email please
[2016-06-17 18:03:21] BitMEX_Sam : CrazyEarner: support@bitmex.com
[2016-06-17 18:03:28] zanza : rapidtraders@gmail.com CrazyEarner
[2016-06-17 18:03:30] elmorte : I just Googled that...yikes
[2016-06-17 18:03:38] BitMEX_Sam : Or click the support link at the bottom-left of https://www.bitmex.com/app/faq
[2016-06-17 18:03:40] CrazyEarner : BitMEX_Sam: thx
[2016-06-17 18:03:41] zanza : :)
[2016-06-17 18:03:58] BitMEX_Sam : elmorte: It's a very purpose-built language. Perfect for this
[2016-06-17 18:05:14] elmorte : No doubt
[2016-06-17 18:05:23] elmorte : Never heard of it before
[2016-06-17 18:08:01] CrazyEarner : BitMEX_Sam: how long it take for support to anwser as I am missing 179.30 USD on my account
[2016-06-17 18:08:26] elmorte : Yikes, they do USD deposits?
[2016-06-17 18:08:34] CrazyEarner : BTC vale it is
[2016-06-17 18:08:37] BitMEX_Sam : No, we don't.
[2016-06-17 18:08:40] BitMEX_Sam : CrazyEarner: I'm looking at your ticket now.
[2016-06-17 18:08:57] CrazyEarner : BitMEX_Sam: ah thank you. Are you on IRC ?
[2016-06-17 18:09:07] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, nick is `STRML`
[2016-06-17 18:09:20] CrazyEarner : sent pm :)
[2016-06-17 18:11:15] Blargwaffle : If you deposited USD, you' did it wrong.
[2016-06-17 18:12:16] elmorte : Blargwaffle: what you mean?