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[2016-06-17 18:12:39] Blargwaffle : CrazyEarner's line about USD.
[2016-06-17 18:13:25] CrazyEarner : It is from BTC funds and value what BTC is so about 0.24 missing but speaking to support now
[2016-06-17 18:13:33] elmorte : Blargwaffle: yeah...the casino dealer stole it. Again
[2016-06-17 18:13:45] BTCDJS : Blargwaffle: he converted btc value into usd
[2016-06-17 18:13:55] elmorte : CrazyEarner: is that mark, index or last traded price?
[2016-06-17 18:14:05] elmorte : Did you adjust for funding?
[2016-06-17 18:20:58] CrazyEarner : I had a few orders to liquidate at x ammount and it didnt go as planned and seen reballancing on account took a massive ammount to so speaking with support to resolve
[2016-06-17 18:21:54] elmorte : CrazyEarner: I'm just bored and lonely, and you're too sensible :(
[2016-06-17 18:22:08] elmorte : Even though I have no I idea what you just said
[2016-06-17 18:22:32] elmorte : liquidate as in settle?
[2016-06-17 18:23:42] CrazyEarner : liquid as in if it goes to x ammount it liquidates the contracts at that value if goes to it.
[2016-06-17 18:25:00] elmorte : I don't know who's trolling who anymore...
[2016-06-17 18:25:13] elmorte : So like a stop?
[2016-06-17 18:26:32] elmorte : Who was exposed to the DAO hack? I can't get my Eth wallet to sync to check
[2016-06-17 18:31:44] CrazyEarner : Not me I got out of DAO 2 days after it went to market
[2016-06-17 18:33:11] jung1 : This is what concerns me about contract programming. With human contract law, if there's a minor typo or loophole, participants can generally see the spirit and intent, and at worst go to a judge who will usually enforce the intent. But with software contracts, only the characters matter and there's no intent anywhere: either you get paid or you don't.
[2016-06-17 18:33:23] elmorte : How the hell did you do that @CrazyEarner ?
[2016-06-17 18:33:58] CrazyEarner : Created contract as instructed to on ETH walle to get my DAO ballance and sent to exchange and sold
[2016-06-17 18:34:12] CrazyEarner : walle meant wallet lol
[2016-06-17 18:35:36] elmorte : so....you sent to an exchange before it hit the market?
[2016-06-17 18:40:37] CrazyEarner : No I sent it 2 days after it hit the exchances like bittrex had it up first and sold theri as had full instructinos and also on DAO website on what to do on ETH wallet in order to send your DAO to exchange
[2016-06-17 18:41:39] elmorte : Ok, cool. I thought the waiting period was a bit longer, like 3 weeks or something
[2016-06-17 18:42:24] elmorte : What wallet did you use?
[2016-06-17 18:42:26] CrazyEarner : no where near that. 2 to 3 weeks was the pre order buying and had on site once that was over they done some stuff or what ever needed and was soon on exchanges
[2016-06-17 18:43:25] CrazyEarner : Ethereum-Wallet-win64-0-7-2 and mist and created the contract for it and refreshed and shown my DAO ballance
[2016-06-17 18:45:27] elmorte : k. You mean you sent your DAO to the exchange, not split
[2016-06-17 18:45:48] elmorte : I misunderstood
[2016-06-17 18:48:07] elmorte : jung1: buy ETH spot or not?
[2016-06-17 18:48:43] jung1 : looks like
[2016-06-17 18:48:52] jung1 : but cant be sure
[2016-06-17 18:49:07] Mr Blue : Eth going lower? Sorry just got back on guys
[2016-06-17 18:49:41] elmorte : Mr Blue: that's the question.
[2016-06-17 18:49:44] Mr Blue : I have a 50 short but it's at this level lol
[2016-06-17 18:49:52] elmorte : I mean spot
[2016-06-17 18:50:21] elmorte : ain't gambling on eth here. That's how you get liq'd :p
[2016-06-17 18:50:31] jung1 : I closed my short at 1960
[2016-06-17 18:50:52] jung1 : 400% is enough for today
[2016-06-17 18:50:57] elmorte : nice, market is liquid?
[2016-06-17 18:51:11] jung1 : yeah not bat
[2016-06-17 18:51:17] jung1 : during drop o polo
[2016-06-17 18:51:25] jung1 : bots going crazy
[2016-06-17 18:51:33] jung1 : here
[2016-06-17 18:51:40] elmorte : yeah, love it when they spaz out
[2016-06-17 18:52:13] rapidtrades : why are we selling
[2016-06-17 18:52:17] rapidtrades : retards
[2016-06-17 18:52:48] rapidtrades : jung1: sir u did not make 400% today, plz stop quoting that useless number
[2016-06-17 18:53:51] jung1 : short from 221 to 1970
[2016-06-17 18:53:53] jung1 : do the math
[2016-06-17 18:53:56] rapidtrades : i bought a croissant and its all black outside
[2016-06-17 18:54:02] rapidtrades : the f*ckers burned it
[2016-06-17 18:54:08] rapidtrades : jung1: no u do the math
[2016-06-17 18:54:13] jung1 : ok
[2016-06-17 18:54:16] jung1 : its 400%
[2016-06-17 18:54:18] jung1 : done
[2016-06-17 18:54:23] rapidtrades : f off
[2016-06-17 18:54:32] elmorte : rapidtrades: was it a chocolate croissant?
[2016-06-17 18:54:36] jung1 : foff?
[2016-06-17 18:54:44] rapidtrades : elmorte: mixed with vanilla
[2016-06-17 18:55:06] elmorte : preposterous. Was it at Harrods?
[2016-06-17 18:55:15] rapidtrades : no?
[2016-06-17 18:55:59] elmorte : Yeah, I didn't think you had Harrods up there...
[2016-06-17 18:56:34] lockhedge : no idea how my bot could sell at 749 20min ago, its reference price didn't collapse $9 within a few seconds... XBTUSD -1500 758.68 2016-06-17 18:32:37 XBTUSD -1500 749.23 2016-06-17 18:32:04 XBTUSD -1500 758.46 2016-06-17 18:31:57
[2016-06-17 18:56:54] rapidtrades : weird
[2016-06-17 18:57:05] CrazyEarner : Nice dip in the ETH price due to DAO getting backed no doubt it will go back up once stupid fake media and trolls spreading fire. cheap ETH nom nom nom
[2016-06-17 18:57:44] elmorte : lockhedge: if you look at the trades on Recent Trades, your bot wasn't the only one
[2016-06-17 18:57:54] BitMEX_Sam : That's odd lockhedge. I see the order come in at that price
[2016-06-17 18:58:18] rapidtrades : CrazyEarner: buy then b1tch
[2016-06-17 18:58:32] CrazyEarner : Am doing troll
[2016-06-17 18:59:23] elmorte : 749.23 1500 02:32:04 B 749.24 74 02:32:01 B 750.00 1000 02:32:00 S
[2016-06-17 18:59:34] messiaen8844 : this is serious shit for ETH
[2016-06-17 18:59:38] yerb : BitMEX_Sam: whats wrong with ETH orderbook
[2016-06-17 18:59:42] elmorte : Those 3 are like an anomaly
[2016-06-17 18:59:53] BitMEX_Sam : yerb: You're going to have to be more specific
[2016-06-17 19:00:01] CrazyEarner : Nothing wrong with it just bad publicity and BS trolls spreading due to DAO hack
[2016-06-17 19:00:07] justinlooking : i got the 1000 750 :/
[2016-06-17 19:00:13] CrazyEarner : So people panic selling
[2016-06-17 19:00:17] elmorte : CrazyEarner: did ya find your dollars?
[2016-06-17 19:00:27] yerb : eth is going down on all exchanges but here there is no activity
[2016-06-17 19:00:33] rapidtrades : a coin that reverses tranfers is no coin at all
[2016-06-17 19:01:43] yerb : BitMEX_Sam: eth is going down on all exchanges but here there is no activity
[2016-06-17 19:01:46] CrazyEarner : Yeah lost to the matrix and banker due to my mistake that am told but ohwell ill just trade a lot more and make double it back. Should be simple make back will be putting more in if I make back what lost due to errors but meh small loss but can easily gain it back no problem. Just looked a total mess on status and what it did
[2016-06-17 19:01:56] BitMEX_Sam : yerb: If you think it's overvalued, sell it
[2016-06-17 19:02:19] yerb : ok now there seems to be some movement
[2016-06-17 19:02:38] CrazyEarner : $20 is way over but it was pumping up and to be honest with a DAO hack and ETH linked to peak going be panic selling all over exchanges so expect a 50% drop in ETH price
[2016-06-17 19:03:24] yerb : BitMEX_Sam: is market maker on ETH gone?
[2016-06-17 19:03:30] rapidtrades : gone
[2016-06-17 19:03:52] messiaen8844 : maybe that was sledger?
[2016-06-17 19:03:58] rapidtrades : poof
[2016-06-17 19:04:01] BitMEX_Sam : Possibly, there have been a lot of API connectivity issues today with polo/bfx etc so it's not surprising to see bots out
[2016-06-17 19:04:30] rapidtrades : nice work bitmex
[2016-06-17 19:05:47] Johnster : Swaps on Tradingview yet?
[2016-06-17 19:07:13] zanza : RIP ETH
[2016-06-17 19:07:21] BitMEX_Sam : Johnster: Will probably be a while, they've put a moratorium on listing any new Bitcoin feeds for a while
[2016-06-17 19:07:26] BitMEX_Sam : They told me 3-6mo
[2016-06-17 19:07:42] Johnster : DA FUCK !!!!
[2016-06-17 19:08:10] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah no kidding.
[2016-06-17 19:08:23] Johnster : We should start a RIOT
[2016-06-17 19:08:25] BitMEX_Sam : Perhaps if enough people bother them about it they'll consider. Adding the swap would be very little work on their end
[2016-06-17 19:08:37] BitMEX_Sam : They already have the API connectors, it would probably be about 10min of someone's time.
[2016-06-17 19:08:38] Johnster : I know.
[2016-06-17 19:08:51] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Sam: hit him with an email address
[2016-06-17 19:09:19] BitMEX_Sam : https://www.tradingview.com/contacts/
[2016-06-17 19:09:22] elmorte : support@tradingview.com
[2016-06-17 19:09:36] elmorte : and I didn't even have to look
[2016-06-17 19:10:10] Johnster : Who are you talking to Sam?
[2016-06-17 19:10:20] Johnster : Swaps on Tradingview yet? (at TV)
[2016-06-17 19:10:30] elmorte : Sam is a bot @Johnster
[2016-06-17 19:10:32] BitMEX_Sam : I was just talking to the founders, but I wouldn't address anyone specifically
[2016-06-17 19:10:48] jung1 : damn eth
[2016-06-17 19:10:49] jung1 : what a ride
[2016-06-17 19:11:24] elmorte : I put 0.018 as a buy...see how it goes
[2016-06-17 19:11:29] BTCDJS : ask him to do things. He's better than siri @Johnster
[2016-06-17 19:12:31] BTCDJS : Johnster: check this out. @BitMEX_Sam what does the fox say?
[2016-06-17 19:12:46] migz : why didnt i take a 5% profit @_@ zz
[2016-06-17 19:12:47] elmorte : @BitMEX_Sam babysat my kid once...over the internet!
[2016-06-17 19:12:57] BitMEX_Sam : `E_MSG_NOT_FOUND`
[2016-06-17 19:13:17] BTCDJS : Oh darn. I guess only siri can do than one
[2016-06-17 19:13:25] elmorte : BitMEX_Sam: can you fix BitMEX_Sam
[2016-06-17 19:13:44] BitMEX_Sam : `E_TOO_LAZY`
[2016-06-17 19:13:44] BTCDJS : its broken
[2016-06-17 19:14:21] elmorte : We better order pizza & pop again...
[2016-06-17 19:14:37] elmorte : delivered to Sam
[2016-06-17 19:14:40] Johnster : Can't you feed the data in an older connection of an old product?
[2016-06-17 19:15:13] BitMEX_Sam : We considered piping it in the old XBT24H feed but they delisted it before we had the chance.
[2016-06-17 19:16:14] elmorte : cryptowatch still has the feeds though, no?
[2016-06-17 19:16:32] BTCDJS : `E_NOT_SO_MUCH`
[2016-06-17 19:16:52] elmorte : Yeah....just checked
[2016-06-17 19:17:19] jung1 : if eth will break 19
[2016-06-17 19:17:25] jung1 : there gonna be freefall
[2016-06-17 19:17:37] elmorte : jung1: it's broken!
[2016-06-17 19:18:10] BitMEX_Sam : We should be back up on CW soon.
[2016-06-17 19:18:21] elmorte : 0.01888888....what an auspicious number
[2016-06-17 19:18:33] CrazyEarner : already broke mate at $14 soon to be $10 and back to $7 a pop
[2016-06-17 19:18:45] jung1 : I have short at 1980
[2016-06-17 19:19:30] elmorte : Damn, I lost $6k worth of alts coz of the DAO shenanigans...
[2016-06-17 19:19:35] BTCDJS : jung1: I have a short at 1920. We are gona be rich!!
[2016-06-17 19:20:02] BTCDJS : elmorte: ?
[2016-06-17 19:20:04] jung1 : yeah that summer will be good
[2016-06-17 19:20:11] CrazyEarner : elmorte: learn not to lay all your eggs in one baskit n learn to spread among and flurish
[2016-06-17 19:20:48] elmorte : CrazyEarner: what basket?
[2016-06-17 19:21:04] CrazyEarner : Your baskit of BTC to trade with
[2016-06-17 19:21:10] BTCDJS : `E_NOT_FOUND`
[2016-06-17 19:21:11] CrazyEarner : Basket
[2016-06-17 19:21:21] elmorte : My basket of BTC is in BTC :p
[2016-06-17 19:21:24] CrazyEarner : as in spread ya funds around and not put into one thing at a time
[2016-06-17 19:21:32] elmorte : My basked of alts is in alts
[2016-06-17 19:21:54] CrazyEarner : yeah well alts basket then losing 6k is big ammounts to lose
[2016-06-17 19:22:01] BTCDJS : elmorte: your picnic basket is in the garage getting dusty
[2016-06-17 19:22:17] CrazyEarner : lmfao
[2016-06-17 19:22:18] rapidtrades : CrazyEarner: maybe he's rich feggit
[2016-06-17 19:22:33] elmorte : BTCDJS: waiting for you to go for the next one.
[2016-06-17 19:22:38] CrazyEarner : must be to take a loss like that
[2016-06-17 19:23:10] BTCDJS : CrazyEarner: he's too chirpy to be concerned over 6k. He must be rich
[2016-06-17 19:23:20] rapidtrades : elmorte: what did u lose money on? i see no major declines in ltc,ppc,nmc etc....
[2016-06-17 19:23:41] elmorte : Eth + Dao apparently
[2016-06-17 19:23:53] BTCDJS : elmorte: Again. thanks for the offer mate. Im sure you're a romantic lover. but Im straight. Thanks for the offer though
[2016-06-17 19:23:58] elmorte : XMR gained big time, LSK holding, MAID meh...
[2016-06-17 19:24:23] rapidtrades : ok
[2016-06-17 19:24:26] mjones : damn last time i was here eth was 0.024 now 0.019. easy money. once 0.015 breaks then under 0.01 and $$$$$
[2016-06-17 19:24:30] CrazyEarner : Well if you are not effected by the DAO dielema then am sure your coin sitting safe.
[2016-06-17 19:24:56] elmorte : My alt portfolio value graph is like a roller coaster ride.
[2016-06-17 19:24:58] CrazyEarner : elmorte: did you set contract on ETH wallet to show your DAO token ballance ?
[2016-06-17 19:25:17] elmorte : Yup. Twice..since it didn't carry over to 0-7-5
[2016-06-17 19:26:18] elmorte : Max value $25k & 33.5BTC...now $19k & 25 BTC
[2016-06-17 19:26:21] CrazyEarner : I dont use 0-7-5 had to revert to 0-7-2
[2016-06-17 19:26:32] CrazyEarner : due to bugs n crap on it
[2016-06-17 19:26:38] elmorte : 0-7-5 keeps getting stuck, yeah
[2016-06-17 19:27:08] CrazyEarner : just download 072 and leave it to sync backup you using eth or geth on it?
[2016-06-17 19:27:18] rapidtrades : elmorte: do u invest in other stuff or just cryptah
[2016-06-17 19:27:36] elmorte : Massive drop in value approx 12 hrs ago...more than 10BTC
[2016-06-17 19:27:46] rapidtrades : k
[2016-06-17 19:27:53] elmorte : Properties
[2016-06-17 19:28:14] elmorte : FCY
[2016-06-17 19:28:18] BTCDJS : elmorte: you are some boy huh?
[2016-06-17 19:28:31] rapidtrades : oh ur that jew that bought the house? @elmorte
[2016-06-17 19:28:36] jung1 : 186
[2016-06-17 19:28:38] elmorte : BTCDJS: no man, just trying to make sense of it
[2016-06-17 19:28:48] elmorte : rapidtrades: lol...that was MrBlue
[2016-06-17 19:28:52] rapidtrades : ah
[2016-06-17 19:28:57] rapidtrades : sright
[2016-06-17 19:28:59] elmorte : I don't own a house
[2016-06-17 19:29:07] lsimarderr : suhhhhh mike
[2016-06-17 19:29:11] CrazyEarner : ETH and DAO gonna take a 50% hit on price no doubt DAO already at 44% ETH at 30% sold most my ETH when it hit 27 last night waiting for the bottom in next 12 hours no dout
[2016-06-17 19:29:17] BTCDJS : elmorte: wat?
[2016-06-17 19:29:35] rapidtrades : HE DOESN'T OWN A HOUSE
[2016-06-17 19:29:44] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: wat?
[2016-06-17 19:29:44] Mike : HE DOESN'T
[2016-06-17 19:29:49] elmorte : Thanks
[2016-06-17 19:30:00] elmorte : Not to my knowledge
[2016-06-17 19:30:10] BTCDJS : k
[2016-06-17 19:30:40] rapidtrades : elmorte: do u own a baby?
[2016-06-17 19:30:56] elmorte : rapidtrades: depends, what's your bid?
[2016-06-17 19:31:45] CrazyEarner : elmorte: have a read https://blog.ethereum.org/2016/06/17/critical-update-re-dao-vulnerability/ looks like going fork it to before attack and get tokens back :)
[2016-06-17 19:31:53] jung1 : ehh I closed my short too soon
[2016-06-17 19:32:21] elmorte : CrazyEarner: Yeah...and the fanboy posts praising VB as the second coming of Jesus
[2016-06-17 19:32:33] BTCDJS : jung1: you closed you eth short?
[2016-06-17 19:32:45] CrazyEarner : https://etherchain.org/account/0x304a554a310c7e546dfe434669c62820b7d83490 wallet where shits going to thts hell load of ETH
[2016-06-17 19:32:49] jung1 : yeah
[2016-06-17 19:32:59] BTCDJS : jung1: WTH for?
[2016-06-17 19:33:06] BTCDJS : accident?
[2016-06-17 19:33:17] jung1 : I put stop market
[2016-06-17 19:33:23] BTCDJS : oh dear
[2016-06-17 19:33:25] jung1 : and forget to remove it
[2016-06-17 19:33:30] BTCDJS : fomo back in quick
[2016-06-17 19:33:38] jung1 : 17
[2016-06-17 19:33:59] CrazyEarner : Right am outta here bbl
[2016-06-17 19:34:12] BTCDJS : https://twitter.com/whaleclubco/status/743888687910518784
[2016-06-17 19:34:35] elmorte : 2016-06-17 19:33:17 Buy 0.01800000
[2016-06-17 19:34:48] elmorte : err.....damn, I just went to get a glass of wine
[2016-06-17 19:35:19] BTCDJS : show me the money jerry
[2016-06-17 19:35:37] mjones : damn i shouldnt have withdrew all my btc this morning. now it's gonna take a hour again to get a btc here
[2016-06-17 19:35:47] BTCDJS : SHOOOWWW MEEEE THEEEE MOOOONNEEEEYYY
[2016-06-17 19:35:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 400 @ 0.01791
[2016-06-17 19:36:12] BTCDJS : RECTIFY my brother
[2016-06-17 19:36:21] BTCDJS : shit thats wrong
[2016-06-17 19:36:28] BTCDJS : REKTIFY
[2016-06-17 19:37:01] jung1 : :/
[2016-06-17 19:37:04] jung1 : : |
[2016-06-17 19:37:09] jung1 : ok Im not touching it
[2016-06-17 19:37:27] BTCDJS : jung1: sorry mate
[2016-06-17 19:37:44] jung1 : still on plus
[2016-06-17 19:37:56] jung1 : ok Im going to buy some whiskey
[2016-06-17 19:37:58] jung1 : see ya
[2016-06-17 19:38:06] BTCDJS : bye
[2016-06-17 19:38:38] elmorte : laters
[2016-06-17 19:38:49] rapidtrades : woot eth 17
[2016-06-17 19:38:54] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: bye
[2016-06-17 19:39:13] mjones : hope my btc shows up before eth makes a new low
[2016-06-17 19:39:32] mjones : damn block happened 3 minutes ago
[2016-06-17 19:39:44] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: im not going anywhere jung1 is
[2016-06-17 19:40:03] rapidtrades : ah...f him then
[2016-06-17 19:40:08] BTCDJS : lol
[2016-06-17 19:41:41] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: you shorting eth?
[2016-06-17 19:41:48] men : eth in bull trap?
[2016-06-17 19:42:09] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: yeah shorted some earlier
[2016-06-17 19:44:27] BTCDJS : Death to ETH!!
[2016-06-17 19:45:40] mjones : eth shorts closing on the double bottom. once they are done closing then doom
[2016-06-17 19:46:06] BTCDJS : jung1: 1966
[2016-06-17 19:46:11] BTCDJS : 1974
[2016-06-17 19:46:16] BTCDJS : fomo
[2016-06-17 19:46:43] elmorte : damn! long at 1800, got out at 1890 :)
[2016-06-17 19:47:14] elmorte : Scalping ftw
[2016-06-17 19:47:39] BTCDJS : wth why won't it just die?
[2016-06-17 19:47:46] rapidtrades : eth sure is volatile today
[2016-06-17 19:48:04] mjones : damn my btc showed up already. long the double bottom
[2016-06-17 19:48:07] zanza : .15 is next long term support
[2016-06-17 19:48:39] elmorte : zanza: i think so too
[2016-06-17 19:48:51] elmorte : but...fanaticism is strong with this one
[2016-06-17 19:49:08] elmorte : here we go, down again
[2016-06-17 19:49:11] mjones : guess i'll wait for the next dump to short eth.
[2016-06-17 19:49:24] mjones : are people using 33x?
[2016-06-17 19:49:26] elmorte : dump as we speak
[2016-06-17 19:49:34] elmorte : but I'm looking at spot
[2016-06-17 19:50:30] BTCDJS : die eth die
[2016-06-17 19:51:09] mjones : so no more eth chart on cryptowatch?
[2016-06-17 19:52:26] elmorte : ooh...gonna break 1800 again
[2016-06-17 19:56:38] BTCDJS : does anyone else have an issue with trailing stop on swap xbt? when I place a trailing stop to trigger on mark price it stays on last traded price
[2016-06-17 19:59:59] BTCDJS : never mind
[2016-06-17 20:00:12] elmorte : LSKXBT.....errr
[2016-06-17 20:07:40] rapidtrades : wtf
[2016-06-17 20:07:47] Yumi : 748 got filled
[2016-06-17 20:08:36] rapidtrades : wtf is going on
[2016-06-17 20:10:47] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Sam : I have a position open on eth but its not showing up in positions tab
[2016-06-17 20:11:10] BTCDJS : oh wai
[2016-06-17 20:11:17] BTCDJS : wait a minute
[2016-06-17 20:11:28] BTCDJS : its the way I have the tabs set up
[2016-06-17 20:11:32] BTCDJS : it was cut off
[2016-06-17 20:13:12] elmorte : BTCDJS: reset your monitor
[2016-06-17 20:13:43] BTCDJS : elmorte: no the tabs are expandable. Mine was extracted to only show one line
[2016-06-17 20:14:28] BTCDJS : i saw it on the chart but not in positions tab
[2016-06-17 20:14:44] elmorte : I'm in basic view and happy with it
[2016-06-17 20:15:09] elmorte : Guess Sam and Wally were right...it would grow on us
[2016-06-17 20:15:56] BTCDJS : nah I prefer advanced
[2016-06-17 20:18:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 124 @ 757.73
[2016-06-17 20:18:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1 @ 758.32 :punch: :whale:
[2016-06-17 20:18:12] elmorte : You can arrange advanced to be almost the same as basic
[2016-06-17 20:19:01] BTCDJS : elmorte: I arranged this way last time I was here. But forgot the tabs did that
[2016-06-17 20:19:22] lockhedge : Flawed api data or an almost invisible flash crash at Bitfinex? https://twitter.com/RobotFinance/status/743899579305824257
[2016-06-17 20:19:54] elmorte : lockhedge: Doesn't show the time...
[2016-06-17 20:20:03] elmorte : Think this was your trades?
[2016-06-17 20:26:14] lockhedge : elmorte: you can click on the images to enlarge them. first screenshot shows the local unix timestamps on a microsecond level, the second a chart with UTC+2h
[2016-06-17 20:30:11] elmorte : Yup, see it now...
[2016-06-17 20:31:09] elmorte : Some phatnom shit....
[2016-06-17 20:33:02] rapidtrades : get ur shit together bitmex....
[2016-06-17 20:33:12] rapidtrades : im running out of places to trade
[2016-06-17 20:34:25] rapidtrades : isn't the recent trades tab supposed to show all trades
[2016-06-17 20:35:39] elmorte : rapidtrades: what's missing?
[2016-06-17 20:37:12] rapidtrades : that guy's trades?
[2016-06-17 20:37:19] rapidtrades : idk what are u guys talking aboot
[2016-06-17 20:38:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 400 @ 0.01883
[2016-06-17 20:41:20] BTCDJS : damnit eth die
[2016-06-17 20:41:59] elmorte : rapidtrades: his trades are there...18:30 UTC time
[2016-06-17 20:42:24] elmorte : 749.23 1500 02:32:04 B 749.24 74 02:32:01 B 750.00 1000 02:32:00 S Deduct 8hrs for UTC
[2016-06-17 20:43:43] elmorte : Flanked by 755 trades <1s away
[2016-06-17 20:48:36] lockhedge : it was actually 2 mini flash crashes at Bitfinex first at 18:32, second at 19:46 UTC
[2016-06-17 20:49:58] elmorte : Damn....how you train a bot for that?
[2016-06-17 20:51:58] lockhedge : second one triggered a bot to sell 5000 @ 748.60 at 19:46:41 UTC, but my bot was only affected by the first one
[2016-06-17 20:53:32] Yumi : I seen that flash crash here
[2016-06-17 20:53:33] lockhedge : elmorte: a better coded bot would just have lowered the bid and kept the ask at bitstamp/okc level for the short moment
[2016-06-17 20:54:08] elmorte : live & learn I guess
[2016-06-17 20:54:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 5 @ 0.01959
[2016-06-17 20:54:45] lockhedge : yeah, losing money is the most effective way to learn and write better code :)
[2016-06-17 20:55:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 8 @ 0.01977
[2016-06-17 20:55:24] mjones : Order could not be submitted: Executing at 0.0204 would cause immediate liquidation. Try reducing leverage.
[2016-06-17 20:55:34] mjones : i'm not even in a position
[2016-06-17 20:56:04] mjones : oh well. not like i wanna get rekted anyways
[2016-06-17 21:04:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 70 @ 0.02008
[2016-06-17 21:04:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 400 @ 0.02008
[2016-06-17 21:05:55] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: don't you think theres room to go down to 700-720 before we go up? This looks like a bearish triangle on 15m
[2016-06-17 21:08:29] men : eth will recover?
[2016-06-17 21:08:40] BTCDJS : men: no death to eth
[2016-06-17 21:08:58] BTCDJS : tell all your friends. Lets kill this mother fucker
[2016-06-17 21:09:13] men : BTCDJS: i think the same... agree with you
[2016-06-17 21:09:42] BTCDJS : you from venezuala?
[2016-06-17 21:10:01] MrRGnome : huge eth sell walls at .0205, I don't think it will break them
[2016-06-17 21:10:20] sizzurp : wish i woulda bought last night during that drop
[2016-06-17 21:10:55] men : BTCDJS: me?
[2016-06-17 21:10:56] BTCDJS : sizzurp: yeah too late to the party
[2016-06-17 21:11:00] BTCDJS : men: yes
[2016-06-17 21:11:18] sizzurp : i slumoed right before :/
[2016-06-17 21:11:27] sizzurp : lost alot of my balance
[2016-06-17 21:11:34] sizzurp : slumped
[2016-06-17 21:11:46] men : BTCDJS: no i'm not from venezuela xD
[2016-06-17 21:12:12] BTCDJS : I knew you weren't.I could tell straight away @men
[2016-06-17 21:12:27] men : lol
[2016-06-17 21:23:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 10 @ 0.02065
[2016-06-17 21:23:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 45 @ 0.02066
[2016-06-17 21:23:22] MrRGnome : I think bulls are gunna get burned the next few hours on eth again. Poor eth bulls.
[2016-06-17 21:24:09] BTCDJS : MrRGnome: I'm short and I feel like I'm getting burnt.
[2016-06-17 21:24:50] MrRGnome : well there is substantial resistance below 0.021, If it breaks you might want to cut losses
[2016-06-17 21:24:52] BTCDJS : Liquidation price is just too close to mark price
[2016-06-17 21:29:11] BTCDJS : MrRGnome: thanks mate ?
[2016-06-17 21:31:14] rapidtrades : why is this shitcoin bouncing
[2016-06-17 21:31:28] MrRGnome : desperation for recovery.
[2016-06-17 21:31:30] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: to annoy us
[2016-06-17 21:31:49] MrRGnome : As news spreads that dao is being shut down we'll see another little crash
[2016-06-17 21:32:03] MrRGnome : we'll see a bigger crash in 27 days when poor dao holders get their eth back
[2016-06-17 21:32:14] rapidtrades : sure sure
[2016-06-17 21:33:17] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: not sure whether to read that two times fast or with a pause in between
[2016-06-17 21:42:40] aethlios : also eth has a lot of daily mining, if demand for new projects halts, price will keep down.
[2016-06-17 21:43:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 703 @ 755.74
[2016-06-17 21:43:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 400 @ 754.97
[2016-06-17 21:44:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 11000 @ 750.75
[2016-06-17 21:44:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5 @ 746.26
[2016-06-17 21:44:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2500 @ 747.33
[2016-06-17 21:44:18] REKT : HODL HODL HODL!
[2016-06-17 21:44:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 15000 @ 749.00
[2016-06-17 21:44:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 400 @ 747.96
[2016-06-17 21:44:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 6 @ 0.01969
[2016-06-17 21:44:50] BTCDJS : I knew it
[2016-06-17 21:46:24] BTCDJS : if ETH breaks through 18 its going down some
[2016-06-17 21:52:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3000 @ 742.87
[2016-06-17 21:53:54] Mr Blue : BTCDJS: they'll want it to drop at least 100% if it's going to make the news, it may as well make the NEWS lol
[2016-06-17 21:54:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 500 @ 0.01979
[2016-06-17 21:55:31] BTCDJS : Mr Blue: they?
[2016-06-17 21:55:34] Mr Blue : Guys please don't use anything but x2 leverage on ETH I made that mistake this morning lol
[2016-06-17 21:56:02] BTCDJS : the government
[2016-06-17 21:56:06] BTCDJS : ?
[2016-06-17 21:56:17] BTCDJS : luminati?
[2016-06-17 21:56:31] BTCDJS : establishment?
[2016-06-17 21:56:40] Mr Blue : BTCDJS: ye the people behind Eth mitigating the situation, why make crypto news when you can make world news, needs bigger drops for that I'd think.
[2016-06-17 21:57:06] Mr Blue : BTCDJS: no not illuminate lol just scam group
[2016-06-17 21:59:15] aethlios : it's the whales of each coin.
[2016-06-17 21:59:45] BTCDJS : aethlios: the whaleumenate
[2016-06-17 22:00:30] aethlios : the whalestablishment
[2016-06-17 22:00:44] BTCDJS : the govwhalement
[2016-06-17 22:04:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2800 @ 741.78
[2016-06-17 22:04:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 500 @ 739.82
[2016-06-17 22:06:53] CaptainDean : so are we going back to 717 ?
[2016-06-17 22:09:38] BTCDJS : f hell eth DIIEEEE
[2016-06-17 22:09:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3388 @ 737.75
[2016-06-17 22:09:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2000 @ 738.19
[2016-06-17 22:12:21] BTCDJS : CaptainDean: if it goes past 735 it'll be 700
[2016-06-17 22:12:33] CaptainDean : copy that ;-)
[2016-06-17 22:13:19] BTCDJS : CaptainDean: if it goes past that we are fucked
[2016-06-17 22:13:55] CaptainDean : got own by the crash yesterday, hope i can get some coins back with the current mood
[2016-06-17 22:15:26] CaptainDean : BTCDJS: thanks for the info appreciated ;-)
[2016-06-17 22:15:34] BTCDJS : CaptainDean: to be honest if it goes past 730 its curtains
[2016-06-17 22:17:50] BTCDJS : CaptainDean: this is what I got http://www.tradingview.com/x/GEQhvUBl
[2016-06-17 22:18:32] BTCDJS : Yellow line is short city in my opinion. But I'm only speculating. Nobody has the answers
[2016-06-17 22:19:25] CaptainDean : thanks, it's helpfull !
[2016-06-17 22:20:08] BTCDJS : CaptainDean: no problem
[2016-06-17 22:20:39] BTCDJS : think for yourself but if you see someones idea it can help you formulate a plan
[2016-06-17 22:21:06] CaptainDean : thanks i'm kind of learning this the hard way ;-)
[2016-06-17 22:21:48] CaptainDean : i want to go in the long for now, but i'm pulling back this is sooo volatile right now
[2016-06-17 22:22:00] BTCDJS : CaptainDean: yeah me too mate. Lost a lot of money. Im innit for the long haul. Let me give you a link that is useful.
[2016-06-17 22:22:28] BTCDJS : CaptainDean:http://technical-analysis-addins.com/trading-gann-rules.php
[2016-06-17 22:22:40] CaptainDean : i had a safe long yesterday, got own by 3-4$ sucks
[2016-06-17 22:23:04] CaptainDean : awesome, i will read this carefully
[2016-06-17 22:23:23] BTCDJS : CaptainDean: so far I tick some of those boxes. But we are up against people much clever than ourselves
[2016-06-17 22:23:37] luckynuke : damn daniel
[2016-06-17 22:23:46] CaptainDean : i know ;-)
[2016-06-17 22:24:32] BTCDJS : CaptainDean: 70% of them are gamblers tho so theres that. Trick is to be better than the emotional gamblers
[2016-06-17 22:25:03] CaptainDean : pretty much learned that lesson yesterday ;-)
[2016-06-17 22:27:21] aethlios : BTCDJS: @CaptainDean http://www.nowandfutures.com/large/Reminiscences_of_a_Stock_Operator_Jesse_Livermore.pdf
[2016-06-17 22:27:51] aethlios : read that book about emotional trading, start from this.
[2016-06-17 22:29:27] BTCDJS : aethlios: I am into non duality and buddhism. Self observation is my life now. Thank you for the link. I will read it.
[2016-06-17 22:29:36] BTCDJS : bookmarked
[2016-06-17 22:29:57] slaptrade : Why is predicted funding for ETHXBT negative?
[2016-06-17 22:30:04] aethlios : BTCDJS: best book about trading, from the best trader ever lived.
[2016-06-17 22:30:45] BTCDJS : aethlios: cool ? Id love to get into the mind of a trader properly
[2016-06-17 22:33:33] CaptainDean : aethlios: Thanks !
[2016-06-17 22:37:49] rapidtrades : that's a great book
[2016-06-17 22:40:33] Johnster : Anybody of support here?
[2016-06-17 22:43:53] rapidtrades : Johnster: general q or account specific?
[2016-06-17 22:44:54] Johnster : general... How can we display a tradingview chart here, that is not availble on tradingview. Can we have the embed code?
[2016-06-17 22:45:25] rapidtrades : no clue :)
[2016-06-17 22:48:38] BTCDJS : Right I'm short ETH and as of now long BTC
[2016-06-17 22:51:02] CaptainDean : i'm still so undecided, i feel BTC is going bullish
[2016-06-17 22:53:37] BTCDJS : CaptainDean: If you aren't sure then don't trade. If you don't have a plan then don't have a position. for the past two days I have lost money not following that advice.
[2016-06-17 22:54:35] CaptainDean : 10-4
[2016-06-17 22:55:53] zanza : http://i.imgur.com/nhcUDtZ.jpg
[2016-06-17 23:02:51] odieoh : If you're not "Sure?" How Sure can one be trading cryptocurrencies?
[2016-06-17 23:03:41] BTCDJS : odieoh: exactly
[2016-06-17 23:04:03] BTCDJS : so substitute the word sure for confident
[2016-06-17 23:04:20] BTCDJS : how confident can you be?
[2016-06-17 23:04:58] odieoh : Lets go ahead and admit we're just white collar gambling here
[2016-06-17 23:05:01] BTCDJS : substitute the word confident for the word convinced
[2016-06-17 23:05:21] odieoh : I am VERY confident the ball will land on black this time.
[2016-06-17 23:05:44] BTCDJS : it doesn't matter what word you use. its the feeling of knowing
[2016-06-17 23:06:06] odieoh : have you ever had that feeling and been wrong?
[2016-06-17 23:06:28] BTCDJS : knowing that you used a lot of data and put it together to make a decision
[2016-06-17 23:06:54] odieoh : Have you ever had that feeling and knew that you used a lot of data, and been wrong?
[2016-06-17 23:06:58] BTCDJS : yes so after that you do risk management. Stop losses
[2016-06-17 23:07:20] BTCDJS : and you re evaluate
[2016-06-17 23:07:28] odieoh : aka roll again
[2016-06-17 23:07:46] BTCDJS : not quite
[2016-06-17 23:09:27] BTCDJS : you have all this data available that tells you if more people are buying or selling. so you pay attention
[2016-06-17 23:11:50] rapidtrades : odieoh: are u a random walker?
[2016-06-17 23:13:33] micmix : yay, chat colors are back!
[2016-06-17 23:14:54] BTCDJS : micmix: a refresh would've solved that
[2016-06-17 23:15:07] odieoh : I'm a White Walker
[2016-06-17 23:15:12] micmix : BTCDJS: no, it was broken all day yesterday
[2016-06-17 23:15:22] rapidtrades : odieoh: ur a dumb walker
[2016-06-17 23:15:57] BTCDJS : micmix: i had that problem when I logged in. Thought it was a new feature. Refreshed and boom
[2016-06-17 23:16:32] micmix : I guess Sam fixed it today
[2016-06-17 23:17:54] rapidtrades : https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.118739911
[2016-06-17 23:19:25] lockhedge : micmix: was your bot affected by one of these mini flash crashes at finex? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClLcuZTWYAAKKUV.jpg
[2016-06-17 23:20:36] lockhedge : micmix: there was also some inconsistency between websocket and rest api data
[2016-06-17 23:21:15] mjones : anyone play agar.io
[2016-06-17 23:21:17] micmix : lockhedge: yep, our system switches to rest
[2016-06-17 23:21:31] rapidtrades : rest as in what
[2016-06-17 23:22:31] CaptainDean : rest API
[2016-06-17 23:22:43] rapidtrades : k
[2016-06-17 23:23:08] rapidtrades : noone is hitting my bids on finex...i think a bull is coming
[2016-06-17 23:23:45] micmix : bc finex websocket is still not reliable. they sent "trading engine resync" from time to time and "restarting websocket", you kinda have to use rest in addition
[2016-06-17 23:24:14] rapidtrades : i got that shitty websocket resync several times
[2016-06-17 23:24:29] rapidtrades : also had to refresh few times, quotes froze
[2016-06-17 23:24:30] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah been seeing wrong status messages all day
[2016-06-17 23:24:44] rapidtrades : plus they logged me out for no reason, had to log back in
[2016-06-17 23:24:57] rapidtrades : buggy shit past 2 days
[2016-06-17 23:25:07] BitMEX_Sam : They send one message to start a resync and another to mark the end, but sometimes it never comes
[2016-06-17 23:25:07] micmix : I'm using REST as a primary source for orderbook data and websocket for realtime orderbook changes
[2016-06-17 23:25:29] BitMEX_Sam : From our perspective, not quite sure how this can even happen
[2016-06-17 23:26:32] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: yep, and their "restarting websocket, please reconnect" is a bit stupid. you try to re-connect and get the same message immediately. just drop the connection already
[2016-06-17 23:26:56] lockhedge : i'm also using both but REST was flawed as well, so it's not only a websocket issue https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClLcuZTWYAAKKUV.jpg
[2016-06-17 23:27:37] micmix : lockhedge: could you copy the timestamp here so I could convert it?
[2016-06-17 23:28:02] micmix : I will check the logs
[2016-06-17 23:28:14] rapidtrades : some guy got wrecked yday
[2016-06-17 23:28:17] rapidtrades : on finex
[2016-06-17 23:28:23] lockhedge : websocket: ` {"ask": 758.02, "source": "bfx", "bid": 758.0, "mid": 758.01, "ts": 1466192791.996698} {"ask": 735.99, "source": "bfx", "bid": 735.81, "mid": 735.9, "ts": 1466192799.728916} {"ask": 758.12, "source": "bfx", "bid": 758.02, "mid": 758.07, "ts": 1466192802.682113} {"ask": 758.12, "source": "bfx", "bid": 758.02, "mid": 758.07, "ts": 1466192810.4193}`
[2016-06-17 23:28:24] rapidtrades : maybe cos of that shit
[2016-06-17 23:29:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 50 @ 0.02077
[2016-06-17 23:29:29] rapidtrades : ffs eth
[2016-06-17 23:29:35] rapidtrades : NOONE LIKES U
[2016-06-17 23:29:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 3 @ 0.02093 :punch: :whale:
[2016-06-17 23:29:47] rapidtrades : srsly get teh aids
[2016-06-17 23:31:29] BTCDJS : I'm starting to think the general consensus is that eth is not dead
[2016-06-17 23:31:38] lockhedge : REST: `{"ask": 758.02, "source": "bfx-rest", "bid": 758.0, "mid": 758.01, "ts": 1466192800.765824} {"ask": 735.99, "source": "bfx-rest", "bid": 735.81, "mid": 735.9, "ts": 1466192801.870632} {"ask": 755.5, "source": "bfx-rest", "bid": 755.49, "mid": 755.5, "ts": 1466193802.968796}`
[2016-06-17 23:31:59] lockhedge : `{"ask": 758.12, "source": "bfx-rest", "bid": 758.02, "mid": 758.07, "ts": 1466192803.01049} {"ask": 735.99, "source": "bfx-rest", "bid": 735.81, "mid": 735.9, "ts": 1466192804.144191} {"ask": 758.02, "source": "bfx-rest", "bid": 758.0, "mid": 758.01, "ts": 1466192805.291195} {"ask": 735.99, "source": "bfx-rest", "bid": 735.81, "mid": 735.9, "ts": 1466192806.41797} {"ask": 758.12, "source": "bfx-rest", "bid": 758.02, "mid": 758.07, "ts": 1466192807.546264}`
[2016-06-17 23:32:51] lockhedge : micmix: timestamps are local
[2016-06-17 23:33:02] rapidtrades : BAN LOCKHEDGE
[2016-06-17 23:33:05] micmix : oh, ok
[2016-06-17 23:33:11] micmix : why not UTC?
[2016-06-17 23:33:37] rapidtrades : cos utc is not a real place
[2016-06-17 23:34:06] lockhedge : micmix: they are UTC, but not from Bitfinex server but my (unsynched) server time on arrival
[2016-06-17 23:35:04] micmix : ok, so somewhere around 19:46 UTC on 17th?
[2016-06-17 23:36:36] lockhedge : yes, there was another at around 18:32 UTC
[2016-06-17 23:38:31] BTCDJS : fuck ETH im out
[2016-06-17 23:42:12] BTCDJS : stop loss on BTC. Im going to bed
[2016-06-17 23:42:23] CaptainDean : night !
[2016-06-17 23:42:39] BTCDJS : CaptainDean: later dude
[2016-06-17 23:44:36] micmix : lockhedge: looks like corrupted data, there were no trades below $750 at that time, and our bot wasn't quoting below $745 either
[2016-06-17 23:51:01] lockhedge : micmix: there was more then one bot selling between $745 and 749 on BitMEX because of this data for some seconds, e.g. mine here at 749.23 `2016-06-17 18:32:37 -1500 758.68 2016-06-17 18:32:04 -1500 749.23 2016-06-17 18:31:57 -1500 758.46`
[2016-06-17 23:51:16] lockhedge : *more than...
[2016-06-17 23:51:53] micmix : was it an ask or executed trade?
[2016-06-17 23:52:16] micmix : oh you mean on BitMEX, never mind
[2016-06-17 23:54:14] micmix : I was talking about finex, don't see how it was possible for asks and bids getting so low without any trades in that range
[2016-06-17 23:59:06] micmix : lockhedge: in any case you need bad data filter that will filter out spikes of more than x% in 10-20 seconds
[2016-06-18 00:02:31] micmix : I pull all quotes if something like that happens and post again after getting couple more data points
[2016-06-18 00:02:56] lockhedge : yes, very likely the data was "just" flawed and there was no 3% flash crash at Bitfinex. but it triggered a 1% flash crash at BitMEX and more bots were affected like this trade 19:46:41 -5000 748.60
[2016-06-18 00:04:45] lockhedge : micmix: i don't want to filter data, but maybe only apply it to bids if only one of the exchanges is moving down so rapidly
[2016-06-18 00:05:05] micmix : I had only one trade at that time: 2016-06-17T19:46:40.318Z BitMEX: filled limit buy order 2000.0000 XBTUSD @ 756.63 id 853492c0-d6df-749f-4c85-35133aadb00a
[2016-06-18 00:07:34] micmix : lockhedge: I understand not wanting to filter the data but selling $10 lower is not good either
[2016-06-18 00:22:34] lockhedge : i neither want to catch a falling knife and buy $10 higher next time when finex crashes and the data is not flawed
[2016-06-18 00:23:31] micmix : lockhedge: if it's a falling knife you will see multiple trades, not just low ask/bid for some weird reason
[2016-06-18 00:26:59] lockhedge : micmix: i don't want to wait for trade data to verify order book data, would lead to high latency e.g. when there is no trade on bitstamp for 1 minute
[2016-06-18 00:27:49] lockhedge : best solution for me would be a filter for asks on sharp down movements and a filter for bids for sharp up movements
[2016-06-18 00:28:38] micmix : yep, that's why I say just pull the quotes and wait for confirmation of sudden drop or spike. it's going to be either bunch of trades or more orderbook data. or you will get normal orderbook data in a few seconds
[2016-06-18 00:30:13] micmix : if you are getting bunch of trade data going lower and you are long, you might even want to sell into other bids