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[2016-05-30 04:41:54] BitMEX_Wally : But we're open to suggestions
[2016-05-30 04:42:21] 24hourz : <img src="http://i.imgur.com/OdU1elQ.gif"> I tried lol
[2016-05-30 04:42:36] Rune : I am not gonna suggest letting randoms post images lol
[2016-05-30 04:42:46] micmix : 0.01 btc per image
[2016-05-30 04:42:46] Rune : could become chaotic
[2016-05-30 04:42:59] Rune : paying to post a image
[2016-05-30 04:42:59] micmix : deducted from the account automatically
[2016-05-30 04:43:03] 24hourz : It would get invasive quick
[2016-05-30 04:43:05] Rune : now you ar eonto something
[2016-05-30 04:43:12] BitMEX_Wally : Yeah we won't let people post pics
[2016-05-30 04:43:21] BitMEX_Wally : Exposes IP addresses etc
[2016-05-30 04:43:31] 24hourz : only when you get rekt hahah
[2016-05-30 04:43:37] BitMEX_Wally : We might let people post their PNL and ROE (for a fee)
[2016-05-30 04:44:02] micmix : well we already have leaderboards for that and they are free
[2016-05-30 04:44:30] Rune : I have a suggestion if it is not already possible
[2016-05-30 04:44:42] Rune : I want the calc to be open and be in the same spot
[2016-05-30 04:44:47] Rune : every time
[2016-05-30 04:45:09] Rune : every time I go back here I have to reopen it and retype stuff and remove it
[2016-05-30 04:45:12] BitMEX_Wally : Rune: Maybe we could make the calculator be a widget you can place on the dashboard?
[2016-05-30 04:45:35] BitMEX_Wally : Then it would always be there
[2016-05-30 04:45:36] Rune : re move* it to where I want it
[2016-05-30 04:45:43] Rune : what I ment to say
[2016-05-30 04:45:44] BitMEX_Wally : Yeah you can drag all our widgets around
[2016-05-30 04:46:27] Rune : it's already a widget right?
[2016-05-30 04:46:42] Rune : I just want it to remember where I had it and stay open
[2016-05-30 04:47:01] BitMEX_Wally : It's a floating widget, but we could make it go onto the dashboard like the Orderbook and Recent Trades widgets
[2016-05-30 04:47:32] Rune : can I show you my desktop? I have more space then normol
[2016-05-30 04:48:25] Rune : under active orders I have enough room for the chat and like 4 calculators
[2016-05-30 04:48:26] BitMEX_Wally : I've opened a ticket for Sam to look at, sounds like a good idea
[2016-05-30 04:50:32] Blargwaffle : Wally, if that's a concern look into x-dns-prefetch-control.
[2016-05-30 04:51:06] Blargwaffle : The IP detection concern, that is.
[2016-05-30 04:51:06] Rune : would I still be able to do this http://i.imgur.com/4neBUW7.png
[2016-05-30 04:53:18] Rune : I like the way this looks
[2016-05-30 05:31:06] Blargwaffle : BitMEX_Wally: I'm not sure if there's a way to prevent link prefetching, though. Or if browsers don't do it unless told.
[2016-05-30 05:31:58] BitMEX_Wally : Blargwaffle: If we supported it we would fetch the image and cache it ourselves
[2016-05-30 05:32:09] BitMEX_Wally : Then host it that way
[2016-05-30 05:32:36] Blargwaffle : I mean, you can do links here. Browsers may dns-prefetch or just prefectch it outright.
[2016-05-30 05:32:59] Blargwaffle : Why I mentioned the x-dns-prefetch-control header.
[2016-05-30 05:36:46] Blargwaffle : Or, do what some sites do and change the url to an internal redirect...
[2016-05-30 05:45:51] Blargwaffle : http://example.com/
[2016-05-30 05:47:47] Blargwaffle : http://www.example.com/
[2016-05-30 06:52:27] wingman : over 12 hours for a btc withdraw?
[2016-05-30 06:52:30] wingman : MOD
[2016-05-30 06:52:54] wingman : BitMEX_Wally: hey please can you check a withdraw made yesterday that still not arrived?
[2016-05-30 06:53:06] BitMEX_Wally : wingman: Did you confirm it via the email link?
[2016-05-30 06:53:19] wingman : BitMEX_Wally: yes
[2016-05-30 06:54:04] wingman : BitMEX_Wally: confirmed right after requested
[2016-05-30 06:54:24] BitMEX_Wally : Ok I see your withdrawal
[2016-05-30 06:54:28] BitMEX_Wally : It will be processed at 13:00 UTC
[2016-05-30 06:54:48] BitMEX_Wally : That is in 6 hours time
[2016-05-30 06:54:48] wingman : BitMEX_Wally: ok why the delay?
[2016-05-30 06:55:17] wingman : BitMEX_Wally: ty
[2016-05-30 06:55:25] BitMEX_Wally : All bitcoin are held in cold storage multisig wallets
[2016-05-30 06:55:31] BitMEX_Wally : Withdrawals are processed manually for security
[2016-05-30 06:55:47] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/security#wallet-security
[2016-05-30 07:07:06] Rune : I wish withdrawals happened more then once a day
[2016-05-30 07:23:10] rapidtrades : guys do u remember when bitcoin didn't move for weeks?
[2016-05-30 07:26:17] micmix : rapidtrades: I wasn't alive back then :smile:
[2016-05-30 07:35:13] rapidtrades : micmix: none of us were fella
[2016-05-30 07:39:52] rapidtrades : its gonna be a crazy settlement with that 0.7% rate
[2016-05-30 07:49:41] drums4u : My chart for XBTUSD is not even close to the recent trades. Is there a solution to re-sync the two? The O,H,L,C is accurate but, the price axis is about 12-14 USD off. Did I inadvertently change it with a hotkey or something?
[2016-05-30 07:50:53] BitMEX_Wally : drums4u: You can click the 'Clear' button at the bottom of this page: https://www.bitmex.com/app/preferences
[2016-05-30 07:50:56] BitMEX_Wally : That might reset the chart
[2016-05-30 07:51:31] wurstgelee : "might"
[2016-05-30 07:51:32] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-05-30 07:55:36] drums4u : thanks, seemed to work this time.
[2016-05-30 08:25:36] vbmithr : dreams4u: If you want to use Sierra Chart to look at bitmex prices: bitsouk.com
[2016-05-30 08:31:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 35 @ 0.02319
[2016-05-30 08:32:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 100 @ 0.02302
[2016-05-30 08:42:39] BTCDJS : looks like I logged in just in time :)
[2016-05-30 08:43:24] BTCDJS : them bollinger bands are tight
[2016-05-30 08:54:40] rapidtrades : hey quick q
[2016-05-30 08:55:06] rapidtrades : the wallets on finex are seperate right? if my margin is maxed out, i can still withdraw what i have in echange wallet for example
[2016-05-30 08:55:28] BTCDJS : yeah.
[2016-05-30 08:55:49] rapidtrades : have u tried this
[2016-05-30 08:56:05] BTCDJS : you can't access them unless you move the money from exchange to margin
[2016-05-30 08:56:08] BTCDJS : eg
[2016-05-30 08:56:47] rapidtrades : i meant the withdrawal part....don't want to get my btc stuck, already has enought there
[2016-05-30 08:57:24] BTCDJS : they are segregated as far as I know
[2016-05-30 09:01:09] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: hey quick q
[2016-05-30 09:01:31] BTCDJS : you don't think we will see 490s again do you?
[2016-05-30 09:07:50] rapidtrades : unlikely in the next few days
[2016-05-30 09:07:58] rapidtrades : longer-term, who knows
[2016-05-30 09:08:19] sq : rapidtrades: why do u think its unlikely in the neext few days?
[2016-05-30 09:08:19] BTCDJS : yeah I meant short term.
[2016-05-30 09:08:28] rapidtrades : my exit is much lower then 490 tho :)
[2016-05-30 09:08:36] rapidtrades : sq: uptrend
[2016-05-30 09:08:49] rapidtrades : bbl, need to grab some food
[2016-05-30 09:12:49] BTCDJS : damn trailing stop got filled short before my order long
[2016-05-30 09:25:29] BTCDJS : not enough people shorting. I can't get my order filled
[2016-05-30 09:43:07] BTCDJS : come on fat fingers. the weight is unbearable. your fingers are feeling heavy. You can't hold it any longer.
[2016-05-30 10:13:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 14000 @ 541.49
[2016-05-30 10:14:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 14 @ 542.91
[2016-05-30 10:14:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 782 @ 542.98
[2016-05-30 10:23:36] KyllingLolsson : How do i reset chart on mobile? Accedentally put like 100 indicators on there, cant see shit!
[2016-05-30 10:24:40] BTCDJS : KyllingLolsson: been there mate. go on computer and change it there
[2016-05-30 10:25:19] BTCDJS : I never managed to fix it on mobile
[2016-05-30 10:25:24] KyllingLolsson : But on computer its not the same chart... There it is as it should
[2016-05-30 10:25:41] BTCDJS : hmmm
[2016-05-30 10:25:55] BTCDJS : try logging out on mobile then log back in
[2016-05-30 10:26:01] KyllingLolsson : Ok!
[2016-05-30 10:28:21] KyllingLolsson : Nope... I'll look trough settings
[2016-05-30 10:28:51] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Wally: any ideas ^
[2016-05-30 10:31:28] KyllingLolsson : Fuck it, I'll just use some other app for the chart.
[2016-05-30 10:31:50] KyllingLolsson : Hahah gently caress it....
[2016-05-30 10:35:28] BitMEX_Wally : KyllingLolsson: You can click the 'Clear' button at the bottom of this page: https://www.bitmex.com/app/preferences
[2016-05-30 10:38:27] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: what will be the rate in 2 hrs
[2016-05-30 10:43:59] BTCDJS : Come on china. Please catch up
[2016-05-30 10:45:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 47 @ 0.02289
[2016-05-30 10:45:24] rapidtrades : hey spread at $32...not nad
[2016-05-30 10:45:26] rapidtrades : bad
[2016-05-30 10:45:47] billz : hey, trying to withdraw from my account but it's not sending me a verification email
[2016-05-30 10:47:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTU16`: Buy 400 @ 695.72
[2016-05-30 10:47:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 10102 @ 543.62
[2016-05-30 11:12:44] PatioCrasher : rapidtrades: you still long?
[2016-05-30 11:15:08] BTCDJS : US is bullish. China is just taking it easy. Need china to get a little more interested
[2016-05-30 11:16:11] PatioCrasher : BTCDJS: Or someone managed to move cash outa china today and is making a few pennies on the arb
[2016-05-30 11:19:55] BTCDJS : PatioCrasher: oh dear
[2016-05-30 11:20:24] PatioCrasher : BTCDJS: It's not a bad thing IMO
[2016-05-30 11:24:10] PatioCrasher : Spread was getting outa hand
[2016-05-30 11:24:57] PatioCrasher : destroys remittance market
[2016-05-30 11:25:30] PatioCrasher : Western Union not looking so bad now. lol
[2016-05-30 11:32:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 25 @ 544.65
[2016-05-30 11:40:32] j8 : anyone want to buy 10k or 20k on june?
[2016-05-30 11:43:54] mikeh : the UI has changed, where's the isolate button gone?
[2016-05-30 11:45:29] justinlooking : u pick ur leverage with the slider mikeh
[2016-05-30 11:45:35] BitMEX_Wally : mikeh: On the `Your Position` widget on the left hand side, drag the leverage sector
[2016-05-30 11:46:40] mikeh : oh ok, ta
[2016-05-30 11:48:05] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: i need rate for new day bro
[2016-05-30 11:48:19] rapidtrades : sasys ...................again
[2016-05-30 11:48:25] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: It will appear in 12 minutes
[2016-05-30 11:48:30] rapidtrades : tell me
[2016-05-30 11:48:59] rapidtrades : brah
[2016-05-30 11:49:06] rapidtrades : what's the rate brosef
[2016-05-30 11:49:06] BitMEX_Wally : My guess is 0.3% something
[2016-05-30 11:49:10] rapidtrades : ok tnx
[2016-05-30 11:50:27] rapidtrades : reminder that at rollover u will lose 0.7%
[2016-05-30 11:50:32] rapidtrades : around 3.7$
[2016-05-30 11:50:42] BitMEX_Wally : Shorts will gain 0.7%
[2016-05-30 11:50:49] rapidtrades : right sry
[2016-05-30 11:51:24] dorothy490 : BitMEX_Wally: I asked it a while ago and guess its not a priority, but perhaps its in the list: is it possible to have reversal order outside of your margin? i.e. lets say Im on cross margin on 1000 contract using max leverage. At the moment I can create limit order for the closing of these 1000 contracts at no further margin reserve. However if iwant to actualyl reverse my position (from +1000 to open -1000) I need to babysit my position.
[2016-05-30 11:53:25] BitMEX_Wally : So you want to have an position open with cross margin, and close it, and then open a new reversed position with fixed leverage?
[2016-05-30 11:53:46] wurstgelee : is there any way to clear the order history of unfilled, canceled orders?
[2016-05-30 11:54:16] BitMEX_Wally : wurstgelee: No, but if you did you would have the just the Filled orders, which is the Fills tab
[2016-05-30 11:54:31] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Wally: simple ui? :)
[2016-05-30 11:54:44] wurstgelee : basic, not simple
[2016-05-30 11:55:22] wurstgelee : there is no "fills" tab. unless i am blind ofc
[2016-05-30 11:55:49] BitMEX_Wally : Try Advanced layout :)
[2016-05-30 11:56:23] wurstgelee : nah, i have everything i need on basic oO
[2016-05-30 11:56:27] wurstgelee : damn
[2016-05-30 11:56:36] wurstgelee : is there a reason basic is missing this tab?
[2016-05-30 11:57:47] wurstgelee : k. switched to advanced. "problem" solved
[2016-05-30 11:57:48] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-05-30 11:59:02] dorothy490 : BitMEX_Wally: basically yes, but not exactly new order with fixed leverage, it could be the same cross. I.e. basically if I fully on margin long and predict high at 547.76 I want not only to close my open order via limit, but also create the reversal order (and value of such order shouldn't be more than original order, but can be less)
[2016-05-30 12:00:03] BitMEX_Wally : dorothy490: So if you're long 1000 and you submit a sell limit order for 2000 contracts.
[2016-05-30 12:00:20] dorothy490 : basically yes but currently system will not allow me
[2016-05-30 12:01:35] BitMEX_Wally : Because it requires margin for the opening of the new position?
[2016-05-30 12:01:36] blackwhite : BitMEX_Wally: How did you guess that?
[2016-05-30 12:02:27] BitMEX_Wally : blackwhite: `Funding pays out each day at 20:00 (12:00 UTC). Buyers receive the .XBTBON24H Index interest rate and pay the .USDBON24H Index interest rate. Sellers receive the .USDBON24H Index interest rate and pay the .XBTBON24H Index interest rate. `
[2016-05-30 12:02:36] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: i didn't pay the roll right? i can't see it as a seperate item on my statement
[2016-05-30 12:02:37] dorothy490 : yes it requires margin for the new position. But you can handle it like 'pending order' or kind iof 'conditional' which will be forced from user only once condition (X closed) met
[2016-05-30 12:02:50] BitMEX_Wally : blackwhite: You can look at the rate over the last 24 hours and take the average: https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.USDBON
[2016-05-30 12:03:14] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: Look for a Funding execution in your Trade History: https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-05-30 12:03:34] blackwhite : sum 60*24 numbers ok.
[2016-05-30 12:03:34] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: i can't see that column
[2016-05-30 12:03:57] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: You can't see the Execution Type column?
[2016-05-30 12:04:09] rapidtrades : ah...all i see is trade trade trade
[2016-05-30 12:04:24] rapidtrades : so i didn't pay it cool
[2016-05-30 12:04:31] rapidtrades : that would've been rapey
[2016-05-30 12:05:51] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: Yeah, you were flat at 12:00 UTC
[2016-05-30 12:06:17] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: sweet....so all my profit is now clear of clawbacks? cos we're going with daily?
[2016-05-30 12:06:20] j8 : open interest * 0.7% = over 17 btc changed hands on funding
[2016-05-30 12:06:27] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: Correct
[2016-05-30 12:06:33] rapidtrades : great tnx
[2016-05-30 12:07:10] BitMEX_Wally : dorothy490: You could use the API to enter an OneTriggersTheOther order
[2016-05-30 12:07:29] BitMEX_Wally : dorothy490: Or use the API to submit a LimitIfTouched order
[2016-05-30 12:07:35] sq : open interest * 0.7% = over 17 btc changed hands on funding *claps*
[2016-05-30 12:07:47] BitMEX_Wally : In both cases the risk checks are done when the order is triggered
[2016-05-30 12:08:11] BitMEX_Wally : The simplest would be a Limit order to close your position that OTO triggers another Limit order to enter your next position
[2016-05-30 12:08:30] BitMEX_Wally : Or just put more margin in your account, that might be simpler :_
[2016-05-30 12:08:32] BitMEX_Wally : :)
[2016-05-30 12:08:40] dorothy490 : is ther eany bot/software to easen up these API actions? via graphic itnerface
[2016-05-30 12:08:57] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, http://bitsouk.com
[2016-05-30 12:09:39] dorothy490 : ok wil lcheck thanks
[2016-05-30 12:09:58] dorothy490 : regardign funding - If I'd closed my long before funding, id get 0 fees?
[2016-05-30 12:10:18] BitMEX_Wally : dorothy490: Correct
[2016-05-30 12:10:24] dorothy490 : even if I used that long for like 23 hours straight before funding
[2016-05-30 12:10:25] BitMEX_Wally : But expect the market makers to put the prices up after funding
[2016-05-30 12:12:32] dorothy490 : is there the same fees for Market and the Limit order (0.075%) now??
[2016-05-30 12:13:44] BitMEX_Wally : dorothy490: If you place a Limit order that immediately executes it pays the taker fee
[2016-05-30 12:13:57] BitMEX_Wally : If the limit order rests in the order book until someone else trades with it, then it gets the maker fee
[2016-05-30 12:14:14] BTCDJS : Slap my hands. I market bought because of fomo. Old habits die hard lol
[2016-05-30 12:15:42] rapidtrades : only $4 premium on okc weekly now
[2016-05-30 12:15:56] dorothy490 : BitMEX_Wally: but here https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory I can see "order type" = limit but Fee is the same 0.075%
[2016-05-30 12:16:41] rapidtrades : dorothy490: all limit does here is specify the exact price u want to buy/sell at
[2016-05-30 12:16:54] BitMEX_Wally : If the offer was 550 and you submit a limit order to buy at 550 or above you will pay the taker fee. If you submit a order to buy at 549.99 or less you will earn the maker fee
[2016-05-30 12:17:04] rapidtrades : doesn't necessarily mean it will rest on the orderbook @dorothy490
[2016-05-30 12:17:20] dorothy490 : I placed it in advance
[2016-05-30 12:17:38] rapidtrades : oh
[2016-05-30 12:17:42] dorothy490 : wait wil lsend yo uscreenshot
[2016-05-30 12:17:46] rapidtrades : as a limit or stop limit
[2016-05-30 12:18:16] BitMEX_Wally : dorothy490: Was it a hidden order?
[2016-05-30 12:18:23] dorothy490 : yes
[2016-05-30 12:18:24] dorothy490 : hideen one
[2016-05-30 12:18:27] rapidtrades : ah
[2016-05-30 12:18:33] rapidtrades : aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
[2016-05-30 12:18:41] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/fees#order-type-exceptions
[2016-05-30 12:18:46] BitMEX_Wally : A Hidden order always pays the taker fee
[2016-05-30 12:18:58] dorothy490 : wowZ
[2016-05-30 12:19:24] dorothy490 : I NEVER ASKED FOR THIS
[2016-05-30 12:19:46] dorothy490 : i thought I was clever
[2016-05-30 12:20:28] j8 : BitMEX_Wally: looking at wallet history i see the funding payment is in a CashRebalance - Pending transaction. is that right? i thought it was available immediately
[2016-05-30 12:24:03] BitMEX_Wally : j8: Funding payment hits your realisedPnl immediately and is not subject to withheld profit
[2016-05-30 12:24:18] BitMEX_Wally : j8: So it does not matter if there is a CashRebalance or not, you get it in your wallet
[2016-05-30 12:24:46] BitMEX_Wally : Same as maker fees
[2016-05-30 12:26:03] j8 : ok, as expected, i'm just a little confused by the accounting
[2016-05-30 12:27:21] j8 : i think there was a partial unlock on june and sept (much appreciated) but that doesn't show anywhere either
[2016-05-30 12:27:52] dorothy490 : BitMEX_Wally: should I buy or sell?
[2016-05-30 12:28:45] BitMEX_Wally : j8: We need to improve the reporting on unlock, if you look at the API there is a `posAllowance` field that is the total amount of profit that has been unlocked
[2016-05-30 12:29:21] BitMEX_Wally : Withheld profit is then (realisedProfit-posAllowance)+unrealisedProfit
[2016-05-30 12:29:37] j8 : ok
[2016-05-30 12:29:44] BitMEX_Wally : dorothy490: You should do both, one after the other, but I can't tell you in which order
[2016-05-30 12:30:05] BitMEX_Wally : j8: In general we unlock 50% of all realisedProfit after every 8 hour session
[2016-05-30 12:30:56] j8 : it helps a lot, a week is a long time to wait in a market like this
[2016-05-30 12:31:31] rapidtrades : btw there's gonna be a new bitcoin auction
[2016-05-30 12:33:31] dorothy490 : BitMEX_Wally: for example I have 100BTC and I open 100BTC long. Why should I pay any funding comission if I'm not 'borrowing' anything?
[2016-05-30 12:36:38] rapidtrades : noone cares about the bitcoin auction?
[2016-05-30 12:36:43] rapidtrades : it used to be news
[2016-05-30 12:37:13] rapidtrades : make that 2 new auctions
[2016-05-30 12:37:40] rapidtrades : nvm its the same thing http://www.coindesk.com/ernst-young-sell-12-million-bitcoin-auction/
[2016-05-30 12:38:22] BitMEX_Wally : dorothy490: You're paying the person who is short 100 XBT, so they can fund the USD they need to hedge by going long XBT cash
[2016-05-30 12:39:22] rapidtrades : its a kickback to the mms
[2016-05-30 12:40:33] rapidtrades : would be interesting to see how high prices go with interest
[2016-05-30 12:40:39] rapidtrades : without*
[2016-05-30 12:43:17] j8 : if it traded freely it would be `(expected avg funding rate)*infinity`
[2016-05-30 12:43:41] BitMEX_Wally : j8: Correct :D
[2016-05-30 12:43:46] j8 : but it would just fall apart instead
[2016-05-30 12:45:05] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: this auction is a big deal? Even with 500 support? Why don't the just wait and sell higher? Like 600
[2016-05-30 12:45:59] rapidtrades : auction already priced in
[2016-05-30 12:47:20] rapidtrades : they're having less of an impact now
[2016-05-30 12:47:23] BTCDJS : Let me the article
[2016-05-30 12:47:31] BTCDJS : havent seen it yet
[2016-05-30 12:49:02] dorothy490 : ok boyz call me math genius.... I figured out that if you plan to open and close via market with current fees/prices you need to "win" 0.81$ in order for breakeven
[2016-05-30 12:49:29] rapidtrades : tnx i didn't know that
[2016-05-30 12:50:39] rapidtrades : are u telling me 0.15% of 546 is 81 cents?
[2016-05-30 12:51:13] rapidtrades : I'm incredulous right now
[2016-05-30 13:09:47] rapidtrades : shiETHer is up
[2016-05-30 13:11:15] BTCDJS : is this why BTC is behaving this way?
[2016-05-30 13:46:54] trestres : BitMEX_Wally: are you here?
[2016-05-30 13:59:58] BitMEX_Wally : trestres: Hello
[2016-05-30 14:00:28] trestres : hello Wally I need an explanation pls
[2016-05-30 14:01:44] trestres : I can read om my rderbook that I sold 1000 contracts of XBTUSD and price was 546.01
[2016-05-30 14:02:19] trestres : later I bought same and price was 543.88
[2016-05-30 14:02:30] trestres : I was MM both the times
[2016-05-30 14:03:00] trestres : why the order valur of buying is higher than the selling?
[2016-05-30 14:03:41] BitMEX_Wally : Because 1 contract of `XBTUSD` is worth 1 USD in Bitcoin
[2016-05-30 14:04:10] BitMEX_Wally : So the higher the price, the less Bitcoin a contract is worth
[2016-05-30 14:05:24] BitMEX_Wally : If you are long 1 contract of XBTUSD you actually have a short position of 1 USD settled in Bitcoin
[2016-05-30 14:05:41] trestres : but buying at more than 2$ less that the selling is possible to lose money?
[2016-05-30 14:07:33] BitMEX_Wally : The order value does not include the maker fee you received
[2016-05-30 14:07:53] trestres : in both cases?
[2016-05-30 14:08:30] BitMEX_Wally : Yes
[2016-05-30 14:08:50] trestres : anyway I sold at more than 2 $ difference and I can se a lose not considering fees
[2016-05-30 14:09:11] trestres : it seems strange LOL
[2016-05-30 14:09:57] BitMEX_Wally : So the `value` column is the execution cost. If you add that and negate it you get the gross realised PNL
[2016-05-30 14:10:34] BitMEX_Wally : 1.83864-1.83147 is 0.00717 gross PNL
[2016-05-30 14:10:47] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Wally: is it possible to have the chart on bitmex with indicators and have the chart in a different tab with different indicators?
[2016-05-30 14:11:08] trestres : yeah... but should be profit,... not losed money
[2016-05-30 14:11:11] BitMEX_Wally : Plus add the `Fee Paid` column and negate it, you earn 0.0009176
[2016-05-30 14:11:55] BitMEX_Wally : So from selling 1000 and buying 1000 you made 0.0080876 XBT in profit
[2016-05-30 14:12:17] trestres : it like paying less I have an order value higher
[2016-05-30 14:12:33] BitMEX_Wally : trestres: The order value is negated
[2016-05-30 14:12:56] BitMEX_Wally : So the `value` is `-quantity/price`
[2016-05-30 14:13:14] BitMEX_Wally : As the price gets higher, the (negative) value increases
[2016-05-30 14:13:39] trestres : if it ok.... than thany you
[2016-05-30 14:14:07] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/futuresContractFormulas
[2016-05-30 14:15:58] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Wally: or is there a site that has bitmex chart i can use separately. Tradingview doesn't have it.
[2016-05-30 14:16:16] trestres : yeah... but... and I stop me.... I have a price of 543.88 with a corrispondent order value of 1.8386 and a price of 546.1 with an order value of 1.8315
[2016-05-30 14:16:30] BitMEX_Wally : Please could you email TradingView and ask them add us?
[2016-05-30 14:16:42] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Wally: sure
[2016-05-30 14:16:53] BTCDJS : they used to have 24h on there
[2016-05-30 14:16:54] BitMEX_Wally : trestres: You are forgetting the negative
[2016-05-30 14:17:10] BitMEX_Wally : trestres: The order value is `-qty/price`
[2016-05-30 14:17:26] trestres : yeah,,,, I will read better... thank you anyway
[2016-05-30 14:17:36] BitMEX_Wally : So 1000 contracts at 543.88 is -1.8386409
[2016-05-30 14:17:58] BitMEX_Wally : 1000 contracts at 546.10 is -1.8311665
[2016-05-30 14:18:15] trestres : yeah... now I undersood
[2016-05-30 14:18:16] BitMEX_Wally : The second number is higher than the first number
[2016-05-30 14:19:28] dorothy490 : qhat is factom?
[2016-05-30 14:19:31] dorothy490 : some shitcoins?
[2016-05-30 14:23:52] sleger : only jung1 knows, you'd need to ask him
[2016-05-30 14:32:41] 24hourz : Factom is a token for notarizing documents or records on the bitch in blockchain. It is meant to give better scale than doing it without it
[2016-05-30 14:33:10] 24hourz : Bitcoin blockchain ***
[2016-05-30 14:34:30] dorothy490 : didnt udnerstood you
[2016-05-30 14:34:30] dorothy490 : ELI5
[2016-05-30 14:41:21] dorothy490 : BitMEX_Wally: can I haz stop market and limit order at the same time with API? I.e. I want to ahve both take profit target and stop market order for my full position but my margin setup allwos me to have only 1 order (cause I have not enough margin)
[2016-05-30 15:28:42] mikeh : so what's happening when I adjust leverage if it affects liquidation price only? how can it not affect returns or investment?
[2016-05-30 15:30:04] BitMEX_Wally : mikeh: When you adjust leverage it changes the amount of margin allocated to the position. You only lose what you put in
[2016-05-30 15:30:19] BitMEX_Wally : Changing leverage does not increase the position size itself, you have to trade to do that
[2016-05-30 15:31:16] mikeh : I shouldn't see a change in my balance when I adjust it?
[2016-05-30 15:31:45] mikeh : I thought it used to..
[2016-05-30 15:31:46] BitMEX_Wally : You would see a change in your Available Funds
[2016-05-30 15:31:57] BitMEX_Wally : It doesn't affect your Wallet balance itself
[2016-05-30 15:33:24] BitMEX_Wally : You can see a breakdown of your Margin Status here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2016-05-30 15:33:29] mikeh : oh didn't see available funds there, seems it should be up next to balance too
[2016-05-30 15:33:36] BitMEX_Wally : Adjusting leverage changes the 'Margin Required' column
[2016-05-30 15:33:52] BitMEX_Wally : mikeh: Yeah it moved to underneath the Buy and Sell buttons
[2016-05-30 15:33:55] BitMEX_Wally : `Available Funds:`
[2016-05-30 15:42:45] rapidtrades : dude....why u would panic sell like that
[2016-05-30 15:42:45] rapidtrades : u cunt
[2016-05-30 15:44:04] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: who you talking to
[2016-05-30 15:44:32] rapidtrades : the cunt that killed the premium
[2016-05-30 15:44:47] rapidtrades : we had a good thing going ya cunt
[2016-05-30 15:44:52] BTCDJS : lol
[2016-05-30 15:45:11] arbitrage001 : china going to end the party
[2016-05-30 15:45:26] rapidtrades : nah man its cool
[2016-05-30 15:45:44] Rune : dumping begins again
[2016-05-30 15:46:31] BTCDJS : finex, bitstamp, and okCoin is the same
[2016-05-30 15:48:10] rapidtrades : china still at 25-$30 premium it can't end shit
[2016-05-30 15:48:51] arbitrage001 : the rally leads by china
[2016-05-30 15:49:04] arbitrage001 : premium peaked yesterday at over 60 usd
[2016-05-30 15:49:21] rapidtrades : right and usd market is only $20 from the highs
[2016-05-30 15:49:34] rapidtrades : china can suck it
[2016-05-30 15:49:45] arbitrage001 : only if the premium at china is high
[2016-05-30 15:50:12] rapidtrades : idk what he's trying to say
[2016-05-30 15:50:39] arbitrage001 : people buy from finex and stamp for arbitrage purpose
[2016-05-30 15:50:49] rapidtrades : no shit
[2016-05-30 15:50:57] arbitrage001 : then sell to china if the premium is high
[2016-05-30 15:51:17] arbitrage001 : hoping to reverse the trade when premium no longer exists
[2016-05-30 15:51:41] arbitrage001 : when premium is gone, there is no reason why people will buy at finex and stamp
[2016-05-30 15:51:41] rapidtrades : im just saying china has to fall $30 before it hits our prices
[2016-05-30 15:52:03] j8 : could take weeks
[2016-05-30 15:52:13] rapidtrades : don't care
[2016-05-30 15:52:21] arbitrage001 : when the rate of lending hit over 100% anulied
[2016-05-30 15:52:41] arbitrage001 : anannualized
[2016-05-30 15:52:48] j8 : keep tryin
[2016-05-30 15:52:51] arbitrage001 : why would a good trader hold btc
[2016-05-30 15:52:53] rapidtrades : ^ guy's drunk
[2016-05-30 15:53:32] rapidtrades : idk most of my loans at finex were below 0.1%...0.15% max
[2016-05-30 15:53:39] rapidtrades : that's only 50% :)
[2016-05-30 15:53:53] arbitrage001 : my lowest is 0.29
[2016-05-30 15:54:14] rapidtrades : u know u can roll those right
[2016-05-30 15:54:23] arbitrage001 : of course
[2016-05-30 15:54:34] arbitrage001 : been using finex for over years
[2016-05-30 15:54:54] arbitrage001 : times were good when lending is over 1% a day
[2016-05-30 15:56:46] rapidtrades : i was talking about borrowing rates
[2016-05-30 15:57:31] arbitrage001 : borrowing and lending are same
[2016-05-30 15:57:52] arbitrage001 : 2 sides of the same coin
[2016-05-30 15:59:22] rapidtrades : is habiji busto? weird to not see him now
[2016-05-30 15:59:32] rapidtrades : eveyone can bak in chat for this pump
[2016-05-30 15:59:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 500 @ 0.02368
[2016-05-30 16:00:18] dorothy490 : Admins, we need another order type like "stop on actual price" instead of market, cause market price is not good in moments like this
[2016-05-30 16:01:25] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, we have a LastPrice triggered stop coming as an option
[2016-05-30 16:01:42] BTCDJS : dorothy490: with a bit of savvy you can get around it
[2016-05-30 16:02:32] dorothy490 : Indeed add long add you babysit position every few hours
[2016-05-30 16:02:49] dorothy490 : As long*
[2016-05-30 16:04:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 50 @ 0.02384
[2016-05-30 16:23:01] mbaril : REKT the short :P
[2016-05-30 16:24:50] mbaril : chinesse market will be up and running in less than a hour :)
[2016-05-30 16:29:06] sq : hi whats the funding fees
[2016-05-30 16:29:07] sq : for tmr?
[2016-05-30 16:29:15] sq : it says 0.296% on your contract details tab
[2016-05-30 16:29:21] sq : but fees page says 0.70%
[2016-05-30 16:32:54] BitMEX_Sam : sq: Thanks, looks like we're caching the Fees page too long. It's 0.296%
[2016-05-30 16:33:09] sq : ok tks for clarifying
[2016-05-30 17:03:26] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 280 @ 542.17
[2016-05-30 17:05:47] mwalshe99 : this premium is crazy
[2016-05-30 17:05:56] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 4213 @ 544.59
[2016-05-30 17:09:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 3000 @ 545.20
[2016-05-30 17:09:22] wurstgelee : i really dont get how the mark price is calculated @ XBTM16
[2016-05-30 17:09:36] wurstgelee : why is it WAY below the bids? oO
[2016-05-30 17:10:27] wurstgelee : ok, weighted bids and asks...nvm
[2016-05-30 17:11:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 4345 @ 546.32
[2016-05-30 17:20:41] rapidtrades : we're not moving
[2016-05-30 17:22:28] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: we're not moving?
[2016-05-30 17:23:44] BTCDJS : oh you mean that philosophically? as in the market is moving but we are sitting infant of a screen watching it?
[2016-05-30 17:23:52] rapidtrades : why is premium always s high here? are ppl rly that degenerate?
[2016-05-30 17:23:57] BTCDJS : infront
[2016-05-30 17:24:14] rapidtrades : i thought the premium on quanto was due to exponential payout...guess not
[2016-05-30 17:24:49] rapidtrades : how much of the premium is leverage?
[2016-05-30 17:25:58] rapidtrades : look at those walls at $10 premium...
[2016-05-30 17:27:40] jolygumtree : how much is one contract
[2016-05-30 17:27:47] rapidtrades : $1
[2016-05-30 17:28:08] jolygumtree : i cant place an order i have 0.0018XBT
[2016-05-30 17:29:48] BTCDJS : hardly any volume in china
[2016-05-30 17:30:04] mikeh : it's 1:30am there
[2016-05-30 17:30:42] BTCDJS : mikeh: so this is not really a good run
[2016-05-30 17:31:12] rapidtrades : $543 finex
[2016-05-30 17:31:19] rapidtrades : keeping it real
[2016-05-30 17:36:31] zanza : hi rapidtrades
[2016-05-30 17:36:38] zanza : making any money today?
[2016-05-30 17:36:51] rapidtrades : today exactly? prolly not idk
[2016-05-30 17:36:59] rapidtrades : actualy yeah prolly
[2016-05-30 17:37:12] rapidtrades : i was long usd short china
[2016-05-30 17:37:18] zanza : did they fix the funding issue you weer having?
[2016-05-30 17:37:22] sq : rapidtrades: can we short here?
[2016-05-30 17:37:24] rapidtrades : nope
[2016-05-30 17:37:31] rapidtrades : sq: yes
[2016-05-30 17:37:40] sq : why?
[2016-05-30 17:37:47] rapidtrades : u can short
[2016-05-30 17:38:25] rapidtrades : in theory, the swap could never met spot
[2016-05-30 17:38:55] jolygumtree : short i short or long?
[2016-05-30 17:39:41] BTCDJS : jolygumtree: what does your heart tell you?
[2016-05-30 17:39:43] rapidtrades : because its not settled....and when the rebalance happens, if ur short, u get paid that premium but right away the next day ur down the same amount
[2016-05-30 17:40:14] rapidtrades : i guess with each day u would gain that premium tho
[2016-05-30 17:40:23] rapidtrades : right? so that puts somewhat of a cap
[2016-05-30 17:40:59] jolygumtree : BTCDJS: its telling me i need to jack off so i can think more clearly..
[2016-05-30 17:41:10] sq : yeh do that
[2016-05-30 17:41:16] aethlios : rapidtrades: you get paid premium once, then only the funding rate.
[2016-05-30 17:41:16] BTCDJS : jolygumtree: lol. thats your penis
[2016-05-30 17:41:20] rapidtrades : in simpler terms....say there's a constant $5 premium...effectively this means that every day shorts will get that $5 premium at rebalance
[2016-05-30 17:41:25] BTCDJS : listen to your heart
[2016-05-30 17:41:34] rapidtrades : aethlios: explain
[2016-05-30 17:42:20] jolygumtree : BTCDJS: dam it.. your right.. i dont know, i guess i cant listen to my heart
[2016-05-30 17:42:44] aethlios : I had from yesterday open short. after rebalance my position has price the index price at the time of rebalance. that's why premium keeps strong.
[2016-05-30 17:43:24] rapidtrades : aaaaaah
[2016-05-30 17:43:36] rapidtrades : well shit
[2016-05-30 17:44:04] rapidtrades : so the interest is the only factor here
[2016-05-30 17:44:17] rapidtrades : that could slow down a pump
[2016-05-30 17:44:38] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: hang on i don't get it. you short when market is bullish and get paid for it? what am I missing?
[2016-05-30 17:44:53] rapidtrades : we're at a $12 premium right now
[2016-05-30 17:45:18] BTCDJS : go on...
[2016-05-30 17:45:21] aethlios : rapidtrades: the good part is that mark price has only the funding rate, but it is like hotel california being short in a bull market, if you want to get out then you pay the premium.
[2016-05-30 17:45:52] aethlios : rapidtrades: And since it never settles premium could go to very high levels.
[2016-05-30 17:46:06] rapidtrades : shit
[2016-05-30 17:46:39] sq : rapidtrades: r u short?
[2016-05-30 17:46:57] rapidtrades : no
[2016-05-30 17:47:24] aethlios : only bitfinex high rates will keep premium in a decent number. This swap will have less volume, since it never settles, why to go short in a bull market??
[2016-05-30 17:47:59] sq : dont u think btc has met resistance here
[2016-05-30 17:48:09] rapidtrades : i see...then maybe the higher rates area good thing
[2016-05-30 17:48:32] rapidtrades : cos its the only part keeping this swap from exploding
[2016-05-30 17:50:06] rapidtrades : sleger: what do u think
[2016-05-30 17:53:44] aethlios : I believe old good 24h could have much more volume in this pump.
[2016-05-30 17:57:02] mwalshe99 : this premium is making this exchange unusable
[2016-05-30 17:57:18] mwalshe99 : the pricing needs to be fixed
[2016-05-30 17:57:35] rapidtrades : how do u suggest they do that
[2016-05-30 17:58:05] rapidtrades : okc weekly has $10 premium for 4 days
[2016-05-30 17:58:11] mwalshe99 : use a system that is tied to this exchange price and not other markets
[2016-05-30 17:58:15] rapidtrades : its mostly the pump
[2016-05-30 17:58:25] rapidtrades : mwalshe99: no that would be woe
[2016-05-30 17:58:28] rapidtrades : worse
[2016-05-30 17:58:39] aethlios : rebelance the primium every day based on last 4 hours mid bid-ask price. (or 2 houras)
[2016-05-30 17:58:51] mwalshe99 : at 50x leverage the risk to open up a long is crazy
[2016-05-30 17:58:54] rapidtrades : aethlios: u an't do that
[2016-05-30 17:59:01] BitMEX_Sam : Issue with those suggestions is that they open the market up to manipulation
[2016-05-30 17:59:15] rapidtrades : agree
[2016-05-30 17:59:39] rapidtrades : futures have to be tied to an index
[2016-05-30 17:59:41] mwalshe99 : you cant use 50x here on longs :/
[2016-05-30 17:59:50] rapidtrades : then don't use 50/1
[2016-05-30 17:59:51] aethlios : have a 24 hours mid bid ask.
[2016-05-30 17:59:59] mwalshe99 : cant use 35x
[2016-05-30 18:00:05] mwalshe99 : might aswell use another exchange :/
[2016-05-30 18:00:11] mwalshe99 : with more liquidity
[2016-05-30 18:00:21] rapidtrades : sure
[2016-05-30 18:00:43] rapidtrades : no reason to get married, most ppl here use several
[2016-05-30 18:00:52] mwalshe99 : i do too
[2016-05-30 18:01:09] mwalshe99 : but the high leverage was always a good reason to use this one for more risky trades
[2016-05-30 18:01:17] mwalshe99 : cant do that anymore :/
[2016-05-30 18:01:45] rapidtrades : mwalshe99: did u make money on those trades?
[2016-05-30 18:01:57] mwalshe99 : recently here no
[2016-05-30 18:02:05] BTCDJS : Yeah sure. chuck your money into the woodchipper
[2016-05-30 18:02:10] mwalshe99 : been losing money pretty badly here
[2016-05-30 18:02:25] mwalshe99 : making a kiling on OKC quarterlys though
[2016-05-30 18:02:36] mwalshe99 : like 40x my losses here
[2016-05-30 18:02:36] rapidtrades : srsly 100k guy?
[2016-05-30 18:02:58] rapidtrades : do u rly need to buy 100,000 worth of bitcoins at $10 premium
[2016-05-30 18:03:01] hashman : 100l is back
[2016-05-30 18:03:04] hashman : k
[2016-05-30 18:03:14] aethlios : hashman: this is mine.
[2016-05-30 18:03:39] hashman : get filled :)
[2016-05-30 18:04:12] aethlios : hashman: i will place another 50k
[2016-05-30 18:05:10] mwalshe99 : someone take his 110k pls
[2016-05-30 18:05:19] rapidtrades : post when u get rekted plz @aethlios
[2016-05-30 18:05:34] aethlios : rapidtrades: closing short position
[2016-05-30 18:05:47] rapidtrades : u sneaky new
[2016-05-30 18:05:51] rapidtrades : jew*
[2016-05-30 18:06:04] mwalshe99 : rapidtrades: no racist shit here please
[2016-05-30 18:06:29] rapidtrades : racist? i said jew
[2016-05-30 18:06:36] rapidtrades : its a religion dummy
[2016-05-30 18:06:44] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: yeah thats out of order. stereotypes are acceptable though
[2016-05-30 18:07:20] mwalshe99 : aethlios: where did you start your short?
[2016-05-30 18:07:27] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: u mean i should've addressed the gentlemen as such'' shekel loving jew''?
[2016-05-30 18:07:57] aethlios : mwalshe99: i am not net short, I am hedged elsewhere.
[2016-05-30 18:07:59] BTCDJS : or pay him a compliment about his shmekel
[2016-05-30 18:08:25] aethlios : mwalshe99: I want to reduce exposure.
[2016-05-30 18:08:36] rapidtrades : Jews are smart, ugly and rich
[2016-05-30 18:09:18] rapidtrades : how did that song go, two out of three aint bad
[2016-05-30 18:09:42] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: almost. maybe use words that sound friendly
[2016-05-30 18:11:00] BTCDJS : the way posh people do it
[2016-05-30 18:13:41] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: would you agree that there won't be any major dips before 600? say no lower than 520 bitmex index
[2016-05-30 18:13:54] rapidtrades : no
[2016-05-30 18:14:55] BTCDJS : how low ya reckon?
[2016-05-30 18:15:07] BTCDJS : 490?
[2016-05-30 18:15:10] BTCDJS : 500?
[2016-05-30 18:15:20] rapidtrades : we've gone up too far too fast, anything is possible
[2016-05-30 18:15:45] rapidtrades : my exit is much below 500
[2016-05-30 18:16:32] BTCDJS : yeah thats what I thought until someone else who's opinion i respect told me no major dips.
[2016-05-30 18:17:15] BTCDJS : I looked at 1D and thought maybe its possible we hit 650 before big dumpas
[2016-05-30 18:19:41] rapidtrades : if we go much below 480 that would be it
[2016-05-30 18:21:11] rapidtrades : not gonna exit there cos i use rules for entry/exit, just eyeballing the charts