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[2016-05-30 18:22:25] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: I know 500 is seen as support but i think 490 is. it was resistance in 2014 twice. april and july
[2016-05-30 18:24:22] rapidtrades : yeah 500 will be a strong level
[2016-05-30 18:47:21] sq : looks like a great lvl to short!
[2016-05-30 19:03:56] 24hourz : Shorting in a bull market like this is very tricky
[2016-05-30 19:11:15] Rune : breakout
[2016-05-30 19:11:25] Rune : up
[2016-05-30 19:16:41] rapidtrades : $13 premium, no biggie
[2016-05-30 19:18:03] arbitrage001 : 13 premium is big deal if you can cash it out everyday
[2016-05-30 19:18:23] arbitrage001 : problem is the swap never settle
[2016-05-30 19:19:03] rapidtrades : is $13 premium big or small?
[2016-05-30 19:19:07] rapidtrades : who knows!
[2016-05-30 19:19:20] rapidtrades : any maths ppl here?
[2016-05-30 19:19:35] arbitrage001 : 2.4% premium over finex
[2016-05-30 19:19:44] rapidtrades : 2.4% no bigger
[2016-05-30 19:19:48] arbitrage001 : and higher if you use bitstamp price
[2016-05-30 19:19:55] rapidtrades : biggie*
[2016-05-30 19:20:12] arbitrage001 : you give me 1.2% a day and i can live like a king
[2016-05-30 19:20:21] rapidtrades : what's a high premium for a swap that never expires
[2016-05-30 19:21:14] aethlios : rapidtrades: based on market perspective, noone knows in btc, if price of btc 5000 in 12 months?? boom.
[2016-05-30 19:21:46] rapidtrades : right but u can buy cheaper elsewhere
[2016-05-30 19:22:07] rapidtrades : only reason to buy here is the extra leverage
[2016-05-30 19:22:30] arbitrage001 : using leverage and buying at irrational price
[2016-05-30 19:22:51] arbitrage001 : how long do you think traders here will last
[2016-05-30 19:22:53] rapidtrades : i feel this swap is defective
[2016-05-30 19:23:08] rapidtrades : but idk, arthur should know
[2016-05-30 19:23:29] rapidtrades : i get a feeling we could unhinge very easily
[2016-05-30 19:23:49] aethlios : I see a problem that a different leveraged product (bitmex 100X) uses data from a spot market with 3.3X highest leverage and maintenance margin 15%.
[2016-05-30 19:24:07] rapidtrades : fair point
[2016-05-30 19:24:47] sleger : aethlios: dont cme sp futures use data from spot product with different leverage ?
[2016-05-30 19:24:47] rapidtrades : spot data is basically meaningless now, only affects highly leveraged ppl
[2016-05-30 19:25:05] rapidtrades : futures settle tho
[2016-05-30 19:25:15] sleger : rapidtrades: that wasnt his point
[2016-05-30 19:25:21] rapidtrades : right
[2016-05-30 19:25:32] sleger : that is a more valid point though, but not what he said
[2016-05-30 19:26:06] aethlios : sleger: btc is not a company (stocks) don't do comparisons.
[2016-05-30 19:26:12] rapidtrades : if u have infinite money, u could push prices here to 1000
[2016-05-30 19:26:16] rapidtrades : with no consequence
[2016-05-30 19:26:35] sleger : aethlios: very poor answer. it is not the same thing, but this has nothing to do with what you said
[2016-05-30 19:26:49] sleger : cme has fx futures, gold futures etc...
[2016-05-30 19:27:03] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : rapidtrades: Wouldn't the consequence be paying the funding fee?
[2016-05-30 19:27:14] rapidtrades : prolly using interest data from finex is the major issue here
[2016-05-30 19:27:21] aethlios : I think best will be the old 24h but with no settlement but with daily rebalance of the premium, so the long position always pays the premium, and no bitfinex swap rates.
[2016-05-30 19:27:52] rapidtrades : next time arthur is here we should ask how swaps are usually structured ''in the real world''
[2016-05-30 19:29:07] rapidtrades : logically u would want to have some connection....ppl buy here costs them more in interest
[2016-05-30 19:29:18] aethlios : rapidtrades: As I know all swap contracts have a settlement, there is a contract expiration in the future. So you can value the swap. How can you value the price of an infinite swap??
[2016-05-30 19:29:19] rapidtrades : but because we use finex, that can't happen
[2016-05-30 19:30:14] rapidtrades : doesn't feel right....idk
[2016-05-30 19:31:45] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : rapidtrades: Wouldn't the issue be why anyone rational would buy way above spot here?
[2016-05-30 19:31:52] sleger : dont forget there is a (now daily) rebalancing
[2016-05-30 19:31:55] rapidtrades : practically it seems to gravitate toward index but in theory it could never congerve
[2016-05-30 19:32:08] sleger : rapidtrades: wrong
[2016-05-30 19:32:11] sleger : cf above
[2016-05-30 19:32:27] rapidtrades : but like others said, reblancing is a one time hit
[2016-05-30 19:32:36] sleger : one time... per day
[2016-05-30 19:33:08] rapidtrades : no just one time....if u long at $10 premium, u only pay that once, not every day
[2016-05-30 19:33:14] rapidtrades : cos on day 2 ur marked to the index
[2016-05-30 19:33:58] rapidtrades : so in theory, u could have a perpetual $10 premium
[2016-05-30 19:34:16] rapidtrades : or $20 or $50...
[2016-05-30 19:34:16] aethlios : rapidtrades: then 20, 30, etc
[2016-05-30 19:34:17] sleger : yes but there is still rebalancing happening. and yes you could have perpetual 10$ pre mium, but not 100$
[2016-05-30 19:34:23] sleger : aethlios: no there you are wrong
[2016-05-30 19:34:46] rapidtrades : why not? problem is rates are only break here and they're on finex not here
[2016-05-30 19:35:45] rapidtrades : there's no direct connection between frenzied buying here and a break
[2016-05-30 19:36:23] aethlios : sleger: If this never settles manipulation can happen. If the premium goes 30 and you are short and need to go out, you can only buy the premium and push price higher. The ultimate short squeeze. At least marking is on index+funding.
[2016-05-30 19:37:12] mrp1nk : "how long do you think traders here will last" not long imo, see the discussions on telegram whalepool @arbitrage001
[2016-05-30 19:38:20] rapidtrades : aethlios: i think u just gave him an idead lol
[2016-05-30 19:39:51] arbitrage001 : mrp1nk: how to join?
[2016-05-30 19:39:51] sleger : no this is completely wrong, and if this happens short term you will see what happens
[2016-05-30 19:40:23] REKT : Liquidated long on `LSKXBT`: Sell 1954 @ 0.000660
[2016-05-30 19:40:47] mrp1nk : arbitrage001: install telegram messenger on pc or mobile and click https://telegram.me/whalepoolbtc
[2016-05-30 19:41:16] rapidtrades : sleger: its not wrong
[2016-05-30 19:41:27] rapidtrades : in practice it works, for now
[2016-05-30 19:41:42] sleger : i said 10-15$ is ok
[2016-05-30 19:41:55] sleger : (there is an actual number)
[2016-05-30 19:42:14] rapidtrades : we'll see much more then that if we go parabolic like yday or the day before
[2016-05-30 19:43:16] mrp1nk : rapidtrades: "why not? problem is rates are only break here and they're on finex not here" according to sam "High funding rate should bring the orderbook price *down*, not up" and "A high funding rate makes the contract more attractive for shorters. To compensate, the price should be lower, not higher."
[2016-05-30 19:43:50] rapidtrades : exactly but there's no direct link
[2016-05-30 19:44:04] rapidtrades : on finex if ppl borrow more to buy, rates go up
[2016-05-30 19:44:40] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : And here they don't. Makes sense to me
[2016-05-30 19:44:51] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : Although they would likely be correlated, yes?
[2016-05-30 19:45:21] rapidtrades : yes
[2016-05-30 19:45:51] BitMEX_Sam : FOMO at BFX should translate to higher funding rates here, which should keep the premium down
[2016-05-30 19:46:25] sq : BitMEX_Sam: how is the mark price calculated?
[2016-05-30 19:46:50] BitMEX_Sam : It is equal to the underlying index plus the decaying interest rate
[2016-05-30 19:47:12] sq : so + 0.296% in this case?
[2016-05-30 19:47:26] BitMEX_Sam : So at 12:01 UTC today it was `index price * (1 + 0.00296)`
[2016-05-30 19:47:37] sq : ok tks
[2016-05-30 19:47:50] BitMEX_Sam : Right. And that funding basis decays continually throughout the day until it hits 0 right at settlement
[2016-05-30 19:47:59] sq : ic, got it
[2016-05-30 19:48:22] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : BitMEX_Sam: settlement?
[2016-05-30 19:48:34] BitMEX_Sam : Sorry - rebalance
[2016-05-30 19:48:59] BitMEX_Sam : / funding rate payout
[2016-05-30 19:49:52] sq : the mark price is used to calculate liqudiation?
[2016-05-30 19:50:03] sq : not actual traded price right
[2016-05-30 19:50:09] BitMEX_Sam : Yes. That is because it is much more difficult to manipulate the index price than our market
[2016-05-30 19:50:18] sq : yeah agreed
[2016-05-30 19:52:45] dorothy490 : https://www.kaiko.com/ cant see current "market price" there
[2016-05-30 19:53:36] lockhedge : dorothy490: https://www.kaiko.com/bitmex
[2016-05-30 19:54:32] dorothy490 : ok so it changes every 5 seconds, exactly what I needed to know ty
[2016-05-30 19:55:22] lockhedge : dorothy490: kaiko only updates it every 5 seconds, acutally it changes in real-time
[2016-05-30 20:05:52] sleger : lots of $$ being returned on finex books
[2016-05-30 20:14:21] laurenssteen : How is it possible that I bought at 552,99 and it's now on 554.11 and my ROI is -100%
[2016-05-30 20:15:00] laurenssteen : still trying to figure out how everything is working
[2016-05-30 20:15:26] Rune : bitcoin breaking the resistance
[2016-05-30 20:15:28] Rune : with this drop
[2016-05-30 20:15:48] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : laurenssteen: ROE is calculated using the mark price, not the current price on the books
[2016-05-30 20:17:30] laurenssteen : thx :)
[2016-05-30 20:18:17] sleger : Rune: what is "the" resistance ?
[2016-05-30 20:19:01] Rune : on houbi we bounced off 3747 mutiple times
[2016-05-30 20:19:18] Rune : now it passed that and is really going
[2016-05-30 20:20:01] Rune : when it hit 3747 it stopped for a while ppl kept buying there then it broke it
[2016-05-30 20:21:50] wurstgelee : are u talking 1 minute timeframe here?
[2016-05-30 20:21:58] wurstgelee : the last hour? oO
[2016-05-30 20:24:30] mwalshe99 : resistance isn't what it used to be
[2016-05-30 20:25:07] sleger : yes that was disappointing, i thought he was calling a break below 500 or something
[2016-05-30 20:26:45] mwalshe99 : back up we go
[2016-05-30 20:26:58] wurstgelee : its pump time, noone really cares for 70 CNY moves anymore
[2016-05-30 20:27:00] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-05-30 20:33:26] wurstgelee : i dont see back up atm tbh
[2016-05-30 20:33:46] Rune : I called a drop this is a drop
[2016-05-30 20:33:54] sleger : no you did not call it
[2016-05-30 20:33:58] Rune : or do you think this is "back up"
[2016-05-30 20:34:10] Rune : yes I did
[2016-05-30 20:34:15] sleger : at 3748 you called it will go below 3747
[2016-05-30 20:34:22] sleger : congrats
[2016-05-30 20:34:50] 24hourz : to 3670
[2016-05-30 20:35:10] wurstgelee : okc trying to dump, huobi trying to disagree ;)
[2016-05-30 20:36:05] 24hourz : whos gonna catch th eknife
[2016-05-30 20:37:49] BTCDJS : me at just under 539
[2016-05-30 20:39:25] 24hourz : here we go
[2016-05-30 20:39:29] mrp1nk : anyone else se a big h&s forming (finex, okc)
[2016-05-30 20:40:03] 24hourz : I saw us break on the underside of a pennant
[2016-05-30 20:40:51] BTCDJS : mrp1nk: what time frame?
[2016-05-30 20:41:05] mrp1nk : 1h - 4h
[2016-05-30 20:41:58] BTCDJS : mrp1nk: you mean this is the first left shoulder
[2016-05-30 20:42:13] mrp1nk : no, the right shoulder
[2016-05-30 20:42:42] arbitrage001 : lol
[2016-05-30 20:42:51] mrp1nk : but tbh i'm not trading this. just curious
[2016-05-30 20:42:55] arbitrage001 : that is the problem for technical analysis
[2016-05-30 20:43:07] arbitrage001 : can intepret the chart anyway you want
[2016-05-30 20:43:17] BTCDJS : depends has he got his back to you or his front?
[2016-05-30 20:43:27] wurstgelee : haha
[2016-05-30 20:43:36] mrp1nk : lol
[2016-05-30 20:45:00] 24hourz : with the gap between usd and cny you think usd exchanges wouldn't get as spooked so easily
[2016-05-30 20:45:12] rapidtrades : bots
[2016-05-30 20:45:14] mrp1nk : finex: left shoulder top at 542, top at 570, right shoulder at 548
[2016-05-30 20:45:21] rapidtrades : +stupid ppl
[2016-05-30 20:45:38] 24hourz : not worried. down to 3660
[2016-05-30 20:46:06] mrp1nk : but seriously, i always look more at s/r levels. i just draw them sometime when i'm bored and see if they play out.
[2016-05-30 20:46:25] rentchev : I think we see 3550
[2016-05-30 20:46:33] rentchev : that's where next support is
[2016-05-30 20:46:44] BombaUcigasa : No #Shrekt messages?
[2016-05-30 20:47:05] sleger : almost no volume, probably not going much further
[2016-05-30 20:47:17] 24hourz : huobi came out to sell lol
[2016-05-30 20:47:21] wurstgelee : bears seem to run out of steam
[2016-05-30 20:47:27] BTCDJS : mrp1nk: if it is we going down to 500 seems like
[2016-05-30 20:48:13] 24hourz : [welcome to mad crypto] you heard it here first kids. sell the couch, sell the table.. sell sell sell !!!
[2016-05-30 20:48:23] rentchev : still a lot of buyers on each dip
[2016-05-30 20:48:39] BTCDJS : mrp1nk: but it probably isnt
[2016-05-30 20:49:04] 24hourz : we need a bit of a pullback anyways
[2016-05-30 20:50:31] rapidtrades : no we don't :)
[2016-05-30 20:50:33] mrp1nk : BTCDJS: atm i really don't know what will happen. 500 test possible but i don't think tbh.
[2016-05-30 20:50:53] mrp1nk : +so
[2016-05-30 20:51:11] arbitrage001 : we need to head back to 400
[2016-05-30 20:51:20] arbitrage001 : or 150 level
[2016-05-30 20:51:26] arbitrage001 : so i can go long
[2016-05-30 20:52:44] BTCDJS : mrp1nk: MACD is showing this was on the cards
[2016-05-30 20:53:14] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: or 0.1
[2016-05-30 20:53:19] rapidtrades : best buy erav
[2016-05-30 20:54:03] 24hourz : naw prob 520 maybe touch 500 if ppl are spooked. short term correction
[2016-05-30 20:55:14] BTCDJS : 24hourz: 520 Bitmex index?
[2016-05-30 20:56:37] 24hourz : 520 ish on bitmex index. thinking finex going to maybe touch around 500 if not at least 510
[2016-05-30 20:56:59] 24hourz : could reverse reeally quickly right here though
[2016-05-30 20:57:37] BTCDJS : 24hourz: The MACD is indicating still some movement down possible. So could be
[2016-05-30 20:58:28] mrp1nk : macd is a lagging indicator. not very useful imo
[2016-05-30 20:58:48] mrp1nk : well, almost all indicators are crap
[2016-05-30 20:59:34] 24hourz : huobi 1 min charts you can see it broke on the underside of a penant. I was waiting for it to break on the upside
[2016-05-30 20:59:39] BTCDJS : mrp1nk: yeah but they help
[2016-05-30 21:00:16] 24hourz : pennant **
[2016-05-30 21:01:10] mrp1nk : are you really looking at 1min charts? ^^
[2016-05-30 21:01:48] BTCDJS : mrp1nk: who me?
[2016-05-30 21:02:03] IChTj4OeMavRq6qeIyEb : BTCDJS: 24hourz
[2016-05-30 21:02:06] mrp1nk : sorry no, @24hourz
[2016-05-30 21:05:23] rapidtrades : lagging is not necessarily bad
[2016-05-30 21:06:19] mrp1nk : rapidtrades: true dat. lagging also mean denoising
[2016-05-30 21:06:26] mrp1nk : means
[2016-05-30 21:06:51] rapidtrades : right
[2016-05-30 21:07:34] mrp1nk : i find the stochrsi most useful
[2016-05-30 21:07:49] rapidtrades : wtf is that
[2016-05-30 21:08:18] rapidtrades : a stoch applied to the rsi?
[2016-05-30 21:08:24] BTCDJS : yes
[2016-05-30 21:08:31] BTCDJS : obviously
[2016-05-30 21:08:53] rapidtrades : i haven't found those two useful
[2016-05-30 21:09:12] rapidtrades : macd is solid cos its basically 2 mas
[2016-05-30 21:09:41] rapidtrades : i don't use it personally tho but its more solid then stoch for example
[2016-05-30 21:10:14] mrp1nk : rapidtrades: goto https://cryptowat.ch/okcoin/btccny/15m, in the settings enable stochrsi and see
[2016-05-30 21:10:17] BTCDJS : bollinger bands are apparently perfect for BTC according to Mr bollinger himself
[2016-05-30 21:10:28] rapidtrades : rly
[2016-05-30 21:10:35] BTCDJS : yup
[2016-05-30 21:10:36] mrp1nk : yeah
[2016-05-30 21:10:38] sleger : i love bollinger
[2016-05-30 21:10:40] rapidtrades : using them as breakout bounds right
[2016-05-30 21:10:50] mrp1nk : he called that rally afaik
[2016-05-30 21:10:54] sleger : tiny bubbles, one of my fav champ
[2016-05-30 21:11:00] rapidtrades : wait he trades btc?
[2016-05-30 21:11:32] BTCDJS : no idea but he talks to a few BTC traders on twitter
[2016-05-30 21:11:49] BTCDJS : he knows it works for BTC so he must do
[2016-05-30 21:12:25] rapidtrades : its basically a breakout so yeah it works, like maany other similar things
[2016-05-30 21:12:45] rapidtrades : entries are a dime a dozen
[2016-05-30 21:13:16] mrp1nk : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4jzduz/john_bollinger_inventer_of_the_bollinger_bands_on/
[2016-05-30 21:13:39] mrp1nk : #bollingerknew
[2016-05-30 21:13:45] BTCDJS : I suppose thats the juncture I'm at in my trading journey. Trying to find the right entry
[2016-05-30 21:13:58] rapidtrades : there is no ''right'' entry
[2016-05-30 21:14:23] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: I mean trying to buy as low as I can
[2016-05-30 21:14:45] BTCDJS : trying to enter at the right time
[2016-05-30 21:14:48] rapidtrades : i almost never buy lows unless im arbing
[2016-05-30 21:15:22] rapidtrades : not saying it can't be done, but fighting the momentum prolly takes more skill
[2016-05-30 21:15:28] BTCDJS : huh? how the hell do you survive trading on Bitmex if you don't get in low?
[2016-05-30 21:15:59] mrp1nk : BTCDJS: check this http://technical-analysis-addins.com/trading-gann-rules.php
[2016-05-30 21:16:16] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: well befoer this pump i did mostly arbs and carry here
[2016-05-30 21:16:26] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: oh
[2016-05-30 21:16:27] rapidtrades : then i got long, then i got long
[2016-05-30 21:16:29] charlie : i thought perpetual had up to 100x, did they lower it down to 50x?
[2016-05-30 21:16:32] rapidtrades : looooong
[2016-05-30 21:16:59] mrp1nk : charlie: nah, its broken
[2016-05-30 21:17:11] BTCDJS : mrp1nk: thanks
[2016-05-30 21:17:12] rapidtrades : i actually bought here when there wasn't such a rapey premium, so i can see ur point @BTCDJS
[2016-05-30 21:17:21] supermine : Have a question me has
[2016-05-30 21:17:55] justinlooking : ask it you should ask it
[2016-05-30 21:18:01] supermine : If entry price XBT is 446.28 (currently trading at 248) how come Unrealised PNL is -x.x btc ( a lot).
[2016-05-30 21:18:05] supermine : hehe ty
[2016-05-30 21:18:28] supermine : I mean ok, I get it, some margin cost, but I am holding only since 20 hours
[2016-05-30 21:18:29] mrp1nk : supermine: it's magic
[2016-05-30 21:18:31] rapidtrades : supermine: mark is $8 below
[2016-05-30 21:18:32] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: I bought when there wasn't such a high premium. But i exited at 540. which turned out to be a good thing in a way
[2016-05-30 21:18:35] supermine : xxxxx contracts
[2016-05-30 21:18:53] supermine : mark?
[2016-05-30 21:18:57] BTCDJS : now i want to reenter
[2016-05-30 21:19:02] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: yeah like i said few times today, no reason to get married to 1 exchange
[2016-05-30 21:19:13] rapidtrades : if finex is low buy there why not
[2016-05-30 21:19:13] supermine : mark price
[2016-05-30 21:19:14] supermine : ok
[2016-05-30 21:19:20] supermine : but mark price is 538
[2016-05-30 21:19:33] supermine : look at price now (546) , my unrealised PNL shows -2.9 btc
[2016-05-30 21:19:35] supermine : how can that be
[2016-05-30 21:19:39] rapidtrades : supermine: ur long right
[2016-05-30 21:19:42] supermine : yes
[2016-05-30 21:19:51] supermine : green size
[2016-05-30 21:19:53] supermine : = long
[2016-05-30 21:19:55] rapidtrades : if u sell now u'll be at breakeven
[2016-05-30 21:20:09] rapidtrades : unrealised shows u compared to mark price
[2016-05-30 21:20:11] supermine : I dont understand that would be 10USD gain
[2016-05-30 21:20:14] supermine : in price
[2016-05-30 21:20:17] rapidtrades : don't pay attention to it
[2016-05-30 21:20:28] rapidtrades : only to where the bid is
[2016-05-30 21:20:29] mrp1nk : if the price falls by 5$-10$ you will get mexed
[2016-05-30 21:20:47] mrp1nk : prepare your anus
[2016-05-30 21:20:56] BTCDJS : supermine: yeah your unrealised could show negative. But really you could be in positive
[2016-05-30 21:20:58] supermine : I still dont get it
[2016-05-30 21:21:11] rapidtrades : supermine: and be careful with the leverage because mark is used for liquidation too
[2016-05-30 21:21:16] supermine : ok so Unrealised is bogus, like a VW fuel output?
[2016-05-30 21:21:22] rapidtrades : exactly
[2016-05-30 21:21:30] supermine : Can I disable unrealised PNL display?
[2016-05-30 21:21:35] rapidtrades : NO
[2016-05-30 21:21:43] supermine : I need a feature that shows accurate information
[2016-05-30 21:21:52] rapidtrades : use ur f head
[2016-05-30 21:21:53] supermine : like 1 = 1 and not 1 = -2.8 loss
[2016-05-30 21:22:02] supermine : I dont paper trade
[2016-05-30 21:22:02] rapidtrades : u got in at 446 now ur up 1$
[2016-05-30 21:22:11] supermine : ok
[2016-05-30 21:22:18] supermine : fdifference between mark and entry?
[2016-05-30 21:22:40] jung1 : mark is current price
[2016-05-30 21:22:46] rapidtrades : supermine: mark is only used for liquidations, so ur not trading too big u can safely ignore it
[2016-05-30 21:22:57] supermine : I am trading fucking huge
[2016-05-30 21:22:58] jung1 : entry is price that you buy/sell
[2016-05-30 21:23:00] justinlooking : only used?
[2016-05-30 21:23:02] supermine : I need to know
[2016-05-30 21:23:12] supermine : gently caressing haha
[2016-05-30 21:23:15] rapidtrades : support?
[2016-05-30 21:23:30] rapidtrades : smone page support
[2016-05-30 21:23:33] mrp1nk : support will say anything is wokring as expected
[2016-05-30 21:23:52] rapidtrades : they'll explain, i have no patience anymore
[2016-05-30 21:23:53] supermine : ok so. entry is price I used, but if rebalance then it does not matter any more
[2016-05-30 21:23:54] jung1 : you trade big positions and dont know how bitmex works? which market? I will join you
[2016-05-30 21:23:57] supermine : ok ty
[2016-05-30 21:24:01] supermine : I thought you were support
[2016-05-30 21:24:09] jung1 : yes we are
[2016-05-30 21:24:17] jung1 : mental support for worldwide traders
[2016-05-30 21:24:25] BTCDJS : jung1: lol
[2016-05-30 21:24:27] rentchev : lol
[2016-05-30 21:24:29] supermine : jung1: btc, price made 30% + in the last 48 hour I recommend this asset. Come and Join Ferrari club
[2016-05-30 21:24:30] rentchev : you guys are funny
[2016-05-30 21:24:58] jung1 : yes I heard somewhere about that funny internet money
[2016-05-30 21:25:02] BTCDJS : Hey, whatever happened to the random walker guy?
[2016-05-30 21:25:09] supermine : ok I will now sell a few and test my theory.
[2016-05-30 21:25:17] rapidtrades : busto prolly @BTCDJS
[2016-05-30 21:25:31] supermine : jung1: seriously who ever did not make money the last 48 h, should stick to working at burger king
[2016-05-30 21:25:34] rapidtrades : lost 90% one day and didn't know why
[2016-05-30 21:25:42] BTCDJS : ahh he was doing so well
[2016-05-30 21:25:49] BTCDJS : shame
[2016-05-30 21:25:55] jung1 : supermine: I will sugest you try your theore here https://testnet.bitmex.com/
[2016-05-30 21:25:59] rapidtrades : i dunno what happened :)
[2016-05-30 21:26:02] jung1 : with no real money
[2016-05-30 21:26:08] jung1 : rapidtrades: you are getting old
[2016-05-30 21:26:19] rapidtrades : jung1: y jew
[2016-05-30 21:26:19] BTCDJS : ah bless his cotton socks
[2016-05-30 21:26:30] supermine : ok I sold a few and made minus
[2016-05-30 21:26:54] arbitrage001 : i work at burger king
[2016-05-30 21:26:55] rapidtrades : right, market orders cost money
[2016-05-30 21:26:56] wingman : there's only trailing stop for negative results?
[2016-05-30 21:26:58] BTCDJS : yeah premium not good atm
[2016-05-30 21:26:59] supermine : so entry rpcie is correct one
[2016-05-30 21:27:08] jung1 : shalom @rapidtrades
[2016-05-30 21:27:08] supermine : premium is like how much BTCDJS?
[2016-05-30 21:27:10] supermine : price wise?
[2016-05-30 21:27:12] supermine : 2 usd ?
[2016-05-30 21:27:19] supermine : price level wise
[2016-05-30 21:27:27] rapidtrades : 40 cents
[2016-05-30 21:27:31] sleger : jung1: how are your factom eth and dao holdings doing ?
[2016-05-30 21:27:38] rapidtrades : so in/out 81 cents
[2016-05-30 21:27:39] sleger : oh oh and lisk of course
[2016-05-30 21:27:47] supermine : rapidtrades: Ok I will test your theory
[2016-05-30 21:27:55] supermine : selling a few at higher price
[2016-05-30 21:28:18] rapidtrades : just sell 1 dummy, why are u dumping 1ks on the market lol
[2016-05-30 21:28:23] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: 40c?
[2016-05-30 21:28:23] jung1 : sleger: sold almost on top and rebuy at llower price with some profit
[2016-05-30 21:28:31] jung1 : cant complain
[2016-05-30 21:28:40] jung1 : and already bought some more lisk
[2016-05-30 21:28:44] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: 40 cents for market orders ye
[2016-05-30 21:28:51] sleger : you're a genius, should do it again with higher leverage
[2016-05-30 21:28:57] rapidtrades : 0.075%
[2016-05-30 21:29:22] jung1 : sleger: I play mostly my ico tokens
[2016-05-30 21:29:31] jung1 : not on leverage
[2016-05-30 21:29:40] supermine : rapidtrades: market?
[2016-05-30 21:29:42] supermine : and limit?
[2016-05-30 21:29:56] rapidtrades : limit pays about 13
[2016-05-30 21:30:25] rentchev : how long do you guys think the premium on XBTUSD will stay that high?
[2016-05-30 21:30:39] rapidtrades : u get 13 cents if ur limit rests on the orderbook and is executed
[2016-05-30 21:30:53] arbitrage001 : rentchev: till china premium comes down
[2016-05-30 21:31:09] BTCDJS : rentchev: need more bears for it to get lower as I understand
[2016-05-30 21:31:11] jung1 : rentchev: hard to say. W just follow china
[2016-05-30 21:32:00] jung1 : I have perfect soundtrack for trading
[2016-05-30 21:32:01] jung1 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYOtZvwNCsc
[2016-05-30 21:32:03] rentchev : thanks
[2016-05-30 21:32:03] jung1 : synthwave
[2016-05-30 21:32:35] rapidtrades : supermine: sell some now jew
[2016-05-30 21:37:05] supermine : jew?
[2016-05-30 21:37:13] supermine : Are you retarded?
[2016-05-30 21:37:21] supermine : rapidtrades: ??
[2016-05-30 21:39:21] mrp1nk : omg, imagine more cny devaluation incoming
[2016-05-30 21:39:30] mrp1nk : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-29/china-sends-yellen-another-warning-fixes-yuan-lowest-over-five-years
[2016-05-30 21:40:07] mrp1nk : if so i will sell house, wife and kidney and to buy moar corn
[2016-05-30 21:40:33] justinlooking : hah
[2016-05-30 21:40:40] supermine : I sold now with 1 uSD spread = loss
[2016-05-30 21:40:51] supermine : I will now sell with 2 USD spread and test
[2016-05-30 21:41:35] mrp1nk : supermine: fuck man, you don't need to perform tests. unless the mark price isn't close to your liq. price everything is fine.
[2016-05-30 21:41:58] supermine : it is fucking close
[2016-05-30 21:42:09] supermine : I got 0.6M usd open so please be patient with me
[2016-05-30 21:42:27] rapidtrades : are u the guy that bought at 550
[2016-05-30 21:42:38] supermine : yes
[2016-05-30 21:42:38] rapidtrades : how did u buy 600k at 446?
[2016-05-30 21:42:42] rapidtrades : ah ok
[2016-05-30 21:42:49] sleger : let him do test who cares
[2016-05-30 21:43:06] supermine : well it is frightening that 1 usd spread does not give you +
[2016-05-30 21:43:32] supermine : if mark price is close to liq price what does it mean
[2016-05-30 21:43:36] mrp1nk : rekt
[2016-05-30 21:43:39] mrp1nk : mexed
[2016-05-30 21:43:53] supermine : I am not rekt
[2016-05-30 21:44:01] supermine : so when does it rekt me
[2016-05-30 21:44:11] supermine : if market price is below mark price?
[2016-05-30 21:44:13] mrp1nk : wenn the mark price touches the liq. price
[2016-05-30 21:44:19] supermine : oh
[2016-05-30 21:44:22] supermine : ok
[2016-05-30 21:44:26] mrp1nk : when
[2016-05-30 21:44:35] supermine : thats fucked
[2016-05-30 21:44:41] supermine : need to de-leverage then
[2016-05-30 21:44:57] sleger : supermine: no dont worry it can only go up
[2016-05-30 21:45:02] justinlooking : lol
[2016-05-30 21:45:14] supermine : sleger: LoL I dont think so. it goes up and down
[2016-05-30 21:45:38] rapidtrades : ^ guy's a scholar of the markets
[2016-05-30 21:45:39] sleger : supermine: yes but now rates are going down and s&p was closed today so it cant go down more
[2016-05-30 21:45:46] supermine : rapidtrades: indeed
[2016-05-30 21:46:00] supermine : sleger: I dont think that matters
[2016-05-30 21:46:15] supermine : But agreed my TA is not working after this spike to 4000 cny
[2016-05-30 21:46:16] sleger : it worked 17 out of 18 times in the past
[2016-05-30 21:46:30] supermine : oh i see
[2016-05-30 21:46:37] sleger : yeah my Teacher Assistant was sick today as well, maybe it's another sign ?
[2016-05-30 21:47:02] rapidtrades : sleger: sleger do u use the stochrsi?
[2016-05-30 21:47:21] sleger : no
[2016-05-30 21:47:36] sleger : i dont use any indicator you know
[2016-05-30 21:47:48] sleger : *any technical indicator
[2016-05-30 21:48:11] supermine : Use Fibs
[2016-05-30 21:48:15] supermine : thank me later
[2016-05-30 21:48:23] rapidtrades : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-30/brits-appalled-disgusted-brexit-postal-ballot-fraud
[2016-05-30 21:48:54] supermine : So when do we know if China devaluates even more?
[2016-05-30 21:49:14] mrp1nk : am i spamming the chat?
[2016-05-30 21:49:49] rapidtrades : supermine: are u breathing?
[2016-05-30 21:50:08] supermine : uh?
[2016-05-30 21:50:25] rapidtrades : think of it this way, with each breath they devalue some more
[2016-05-30 21:51:05] rapidtrades : supermine: how close are u to getting rekt
[2016-05-30 21:51:13] supermine : its ok
[2016-05-30 21:51:16] supermine : I can manage
[2016-05-30 21:51:22] rapidtrades : i have a small long i want to cover before that happens
[2016-05-30 21:51:22] sleger : supermine: you chinese ?
[2016-05-30 21:51:26] supermine : why can you manipulate the market?
[2016-05-30 21:51:54] supermine : you could buy more and save me, then I give you part of my profit... oh I forgot bitmex does not matter yet.. finex does, but huobi is king
[2016-05-30 21:52:07] supermine : huobi
[2016-05-30 21:52:09] supermine : lol
[2016-05-30 21:52:26] supermine : is that how it is pronounced?
[2016-05-30 21:52:31] sleger : rapidtrades: you covered most of your long ?
[2016-05-30 21:52:55] rapidtrades : no, transferred it to cheaper pastures
[2016-05-30 21:53:10] sleger : so you're still very long ?
[2016-05-30 21:53:15] sleger : i cut most of it
[2016-05-30 21:53:37] rapidtrades : i still have my full position on...the same net exposure i mean
[2016-05-30 21:54:17] rapidtrades : some longs some shorts, u know how it goes :)
[2016-05-30 21:54:26] sleger : i meant net yes
[2016-05-30 21:54:47] arbitrage001 : i am very short
[2016-05-30 21:54:56] arbitrage001 : going to short more when china premium gone
[2016-05-30 21:55:25] rapidtrades : nice arbitrage bro :)
[2016-05-30 21:55:26] sleger : that sounds like a weird idea, i think when china premium is gone will be the best time to buy
[2016-05-30 21:55:58] rapidtrades : guys u do realise we'll be staring at a 600k within hrs right
[2016-05-30 21:55:58] arbitrage001 : 1/3 of my money stucked in china exchange
[2016-05-30 21:56:07] supermine : 600k?
[2016-05-30 21:56:08] arbitrage001 : cant move back without paying premium
[2016-05-30 21:56:22] Rune : oh thats smart
[2016-05-30 21:56:22] rapidtrades : 600k liquidation
[2016-05-30 21:56:28] supermine : dont worry
[2016-05-30 21:56:32] supermine : I dont get called
[2016-05-30 21:56:34] supermine : I am here
[2016-05-30 21:56:39] supermine : I am only getting called when sleeping
[2016-05-30 21:56:48] supermine : I let you know when I am tired :) :)
[2016-05-30 21:56:54] sleger : rapidtrades: he has a 600k what ? contracts ?
[2016-05-30 21:57:00] supermine : usd
[2016-05-30 21:57:07] sleger : so not here ?
[2016-05-30 21:57:08] rapidtrades : yes, he was the one buying at 550
[2016-05-30 21:57:18] mrp1nk : supermine: what is your liq. price?
[2016-05-30 21:57:18] supermine : seriously we should go up in 1 hour imho
[2016-05-30 21:57:23] supermine : I wont tell
[2016-05-30 21:57:28] supermine : somebody could trade against me
[2016-05-30 21:57:32] sleger : if thats not on leverage then it doesnt matter
[2016-05-30 21:57:38] sleger : supermine: on which exchange ?
[2016-05-30 21:57:44] supermine : its on leverage alright
[2016-05-30 21:57:45] rapidtrades : bullpart? is it within 5$? $10? $15? @supermine
[2016-05-30 21:57:47] supermine : mex
[2016-05-30 21:57:57] rapidtrades : this f idiot
[2016-05-30 21:57:58] supermine : dont get so obsessed with me I wont get called
[2016-05-30 21:58:04] supermine : never happened
[2016-05-30 21:58:23] supermine : can I ignore ppl in here?
[2016-05-30 21:58:24] sleger : ok so 600k$ on mex is 600k contracts right ?
[2016-05-30 21:58:36] supermine : 600k contracts wow
[2016-05-30 21:58:39] supermine : that would be brutal
[2016-05-30 21:58:47] supermine : like 5 Million usd
[2016-05-30 21:58:53] sleger : well didnt you say you were long 600k$ on mex ?
[2016-05-30 21:58:58] supermine : yea
[2016-05-30 21:59:03] supermine : contract != usd
[2016-05-30 21:59:09] supermine : 1000 usd = what? how much, i dont know
[2016-05-30 21:59:14] supermine : I dont care for value
[2016-05-30 21:59:18] supermine : I look at btc price chart
[2016-05-30 21:59:19] supermine : and TA
[2016-05-30 21:59:29] sleger : supermine: Contract Size 1 USD per contract
[2016-05-30 21:59:31] supermine : I can trade tulips I dont care
[2016-05-30 21:59:38] sleger : "supermine: contract != usd"
[2016-05-30 21:59:41] rapidtrades : supermine: whats ur position
[2016-05-30 21:59:44] sleger : you're just a liar
[2016-05-30 22:00:17] sleger : NOP hasnt really changed, and it would need to change by 600k and you just said yourself 600k would be huge, so you're just lying
[2016-05-30 22:00:18] rapidtrades : sleger: he's not, smone bought at shiton at 50
[2016-05-30 22:00:24] supermine : ok and 1 xbt = 1 btc?
[2016-05-30 22:00:26] sleger : but HE is lying
[2016-05-30 22:00:33] sleger : supermine: yes 1xbt = 1btc
[2016-05-30 22:00:36] supermine : then it s less than 600K haha
[2016-05-30 22:00:41] sleger : moron
[2016-05-30 22:00:44] rapidtrades : idiot
[2016-05-30 22:00:44] supermine : but nonetheless I dont care
[2016-05-30 22:00:54] rapidtrades : 60k?
[2016-05-30 22:00:55] supermine : I was interested in entry / mark price difference
[2016-05-30 22:01:16] sleger : not even smart enough to lie properly
[2016-05-30 22:01:27] supermine : LoL just when I was about to share my Charts and some knowledge with you guys, you insult me. Bye morons. Your loss. Fools
[2016-05-30 22:01:43] rapidtrades : oh no the CHARTS
[2016-05-30 22:01:46] rapidtrades : plz come bak
[2016-05-30 22:01:47] sleger : shht
[2016-05-30 22:01:55] sleger : bye liar
[2016-05-30 22:01:55] mrp1nk : -2.6 btc he said
[2016-05-30 22:02:05] rapidtrades : ^^^^
[2016-05-30 22:02:15] rapidtrades : so 2.6 per $10 is what
[2016-05-30 22:02:29] mrp1nk : dunno, scroll up
[2016-05-30 22:02:31] rapidtrades : 100 btc
[2016-05-30 22:02:34] supermine : YOu guys from the US?
[2016-05-30 22:02:55] rapidtrades : he's long about 55k
[2016-05-30 22:03:01] tscha : maybe he misspelled "contracts" and meant 600k = 600 kontracts
[2016-05-30 22:03:06] sleger : he isnt he is just lying
[2016-05-30 22:03:09] rapidtrades : he is
[2016-05-30 22:03:14] supermine : I am lying on purpose
[2016-05-30 22:03:16] rapidtrades : definitely is
[2016-05-30 22:03:17] supermine : to misguide you
[2016-05-30 22:03:23] supermine : this is where I get my kicks from
[2016-05-30 22:03:25] supermine : it makes me hard
[2016-05-30 22:03:25] rapidtrades : jew has 50k
[2016-05-30 22:03:28] sleger : you said you'd go away
[2016-05-30 22:03:33] sleger : now is the time
[2016-05-30 22:03:42] supermine : I am a jew and it makes me hard to lie to strangers in a trollbox about my money