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[2016-04-27 14:00:29] MeanReverter : 10+years
[2016-04-27 14:00:55] MeanReverter : caught a nice crude play yesterday
[2016-04-27 14:01:00] mathewpk13 : MeanReverter: what exactly is your strategy other than stops, if I may ask,
[2016-04-27 14:01:49] MeanReverter : I'm a classical chartist
[2016-04-27 14:01:57] MeanReverter : crude play from yesterday https://twitter.com/CoderTrader/status/724981961622622208
[2016-04-27 14:02:19] MeanReverter : couple hours later,...https://twitter.com/CoderTrader/status/725062409522544640
[2016-04-27 14:02:49] rapidtrades : yeah saw that one too
[2016-04-27 14:02:59] mathewpk13 : MeanReverter: nice play man
[2016-04-27 14:10:36] Cryptolicious : why is my liquidation price higher than my entry price on xbtu16
[2016-04-27 14:11:10] rapidtrades : Cryptolicious: cos ur short dummy
[2016-04-27 14:11:24] Cryptolicious : no im long
[2016-04-27 14:11:32] rapidtrades : nah
[2016-04-27 14:11:51] Cryptolicious : my entry price is 523
[2016-04-27 14:11:54] Cryptolicious : liquidation 543
[2016-04-27 14:12:05] nip : you withdrew or lost money somewhere else
[2016-04-27 14:12:07] BitMEX_Wally : Cryptolicious: This is due to the weekly rebalance
[2016-04-27 14:12:50] BitMEX_Wally : XBTU16 was rebalanced at 558.82 last Friday
[2016-04-27 14:13:03] BitMEX_Wally : So the profit between 523 and 558.82 was unlocked
[2016-04-27 14:13:15] Cryptolicious : I didn't take profit
[2016-04-27 14:13:46] BitMEX_Wally : Every Friday all unrealised profit is realised and moved to your wallet
[2016-04-27 14:14:18] Cryptolicious : i thought settlemnet wasn't until Sep 30
[2016-04-27 14:14:38] BitMEX_Wally : The position stays open, but the PNL is realised
[2016-04-27 14:14:49] BitMEX_Wally : You can leave it on the position, or you can re-adjust the leverage
[2016-04-27 14:17:21] BitMEX_Wally : So your liquidation price before and after the rebalancing was 493.4
[2016-04-27 14:17:32] BitMEX_Wally : But today you adjusted the position from 15x to 25x so it reset the liquidation price
[2016-04-27 14:18:04] Cryptolicious : ok
[2016-04-27 14:25:53] dorothy490 : omggg
[2016-04-27 14:26:21] dorothy490 : trailing stop order do not getting cancelled automatically after "parent" order closed
[2016-04-27 14:26:46] dorothy490 : that UTTERLY flawed setup
[2016-04-27 14:28:17] dorothy490 : I got big contract opened due of that which I never wanted to haev
[2016-04-27 14:28:42] dorothy490 : especally considering it was excecuted on market, hence fees
[2016-04-27 14:34:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 250 @ 0.01756
[2016-04-27 14:38:57] Cryptolicious : BitMEX_Wally what was the profit adjustment on XBTU16 last week
[2016-04-27 14:40:08] mrp1nk : dorothy490: that is really shit. i already went short two times without wanting it only i was too slow to remove the stoploss
[2016-04-27 14:40:16] mrp1nk : +because
[2016-04-27 14:40:19] j8 : 0% for many weeks @Cryptolicious
[2016-04-27 14:40:33] Cryptolicious : is there a history?
[2016-04-27 14:40:40] j8 : https://www.bitmex.com/app/settlementHistory
[2016-04-27 14:40:43] Cryptolicious : ok thanks
[2016-04-27 14:41:07] mrp1nk : there should be a logic that removes the stop when the order is closed manually
[2016-04-27 14:41:47] mrp1nk : imo
[2016-04-27 14:41:52] dorothy490 : indeed there should be
[2016-04-27 14:41:58] BitMEX_Sam : That's called an OCO order, which is a different thing
[2016-04-27 14:42:01] dorothy490 : its basically standard
[2016-04-27 14:42:07] BitMEX_Sam : There's not a way for the system to know which order it should close if you execute a stop
[2016-04-27 14:42:12] BitMEX_Sam : You would have to tell it.
[2016-04-27 14:42:29] j8 : i think the word stop kind of implies that it will only reduce a position. not sure if that's technically true but it seems to confuse a lot of people
[2016-04-27 14:42:29] dorothy490 : no man, all "forex" platforms have this intuitive trailing stop
[2016-04-27 14:42:47] dorothy490 : lots of people get burnt like me and will call you scam
[2016-04-27 14:43:16] BitMEX_Sam : Don't expect that the platform will do things that it doesn't say it will do. Orders are not linked to one other.
[2016-04-27 14:43:44] mrp1nk : what i mean: if you have a position with x contracts and a stop limit sell order in place of amount x, then it should be removed if you close the position by buying/selling x contracts.
[2016-04-27 14:44:13] mrp1nk : this happens wenn you do a close market if i remember correctly
[2016-04-27 14:44:18] Cryptolicious : j8, do you think there could be a significant adjustment in the future
[2016-04-27 14:44:20] BitMEX_Sam : It does not.
[2016-04-27 14:44:52] mrp1nk : then it should imo. should be easy to implement
[2016-04-27 14:46:02] j8 : Cryptolicious: it's always a risk, the system is sort of biased to have 0% almost all the time, but at the risk of having a large clawback in extreme situations
[2016-04-27 14:46:20] j8 : that said there is the insurance fund which has been growing
[2016-04-27 14:46:29] Cryptolicious : what do you mean by clawback
[2016-04-27 14:46:49] j8 : DPE, clawback, profit adjustment
[2016-04-27 14:47:19] mrp1nk : don't see the point of why you should have a sell stop without beeing in a position, except one wants to trade the breakout automatically. The latter case could be handled differently. @BitMEX_Sam
[2016-04-27 14:47:49] Cryptolicious : j8 so if bitcoin mooned that would probably happen
[2016-04-27 14:47:57] BitMEX_Sam : I apologize mrp1nk, I'm mistaken, Close Limit / Close Market does indeed close all other open orders in that symbol.
[2016-04-27 14:48:47] Cryptolicious : no?
[2016-04-27 14:49:06] mrp1nk : yeah, i was almost sure that it does this. @BitMEX_Sam
[2016-04-27 14:49:25] j8 : Cryptolicious: yeah a big move up could do it on the long term futures, since the premium could expand quickly... but generally i would think the risk is worse on a big move down
[2016-04-27 14:49:33] mrp1nk : so the behaviour i described above would also make sense @BitMEX_Sam
[2016-04-27 14:50:46] BitMEX_Sam : Yes - we're discussing something like a `StopClose` order that could do this logic. We also have OCO in the API, when it makes it to the UI it will also make these kinds of compound orders possible.
[2016-04-27 14:51:21] mrp1nk : BitMEX_Sam: nice! happy to see that these features are finally implemented.
[2016-04-27 14:52:04] mrp1nk : btw. is there something like a CLI that provides access to the full api. i'm too lazy to program it by myself tbh.
[2016-04-27 14:52:42] BitMEX_Sam : There is a large repository of programming tools for our API at https://github.com/bitmex/api-connectors
[2016-04-27 14:53:10] mrp1nk : BitMEX_Sam: ok, thx! i will have a look on it
[2016-04-27 14:54:08] cengel : Don't forget to use my mIRC plugin if you would like to execute orders from there :) :bitmex:
[2016-04-27 14:55:13] mrp1nk : cengel: cool thx, too!
[2016-04-27 14:58:48] Cryptolicious : and j8 there's always the risk of a judas spike down to liquidate people
[2016-04-27 15:00:18] j8 : exactly, i think the price could go to 650 with no DPE, then have big DPE on a dump to 550
[2016-04-27 15:01:05] hedgehog0223 : how can I automate my trading? I'm not at home at 14:00 usually and I need to put orders at that time
[2016-04-27 15:03:26] cengel : @hedgehog023 you want to be able to make orders on XBT24H after new contract?
[2016-04-27 15:04:23] hedgehog0223 : yes, exactly. to 'be in position' countinously
[2016-04-27 15:04:58] habibi : use 48 roll maybe
[2016-04-27 15:05:11] hedgehog0223 : kina like rolling yeah, but it doesnt work with my strategy :(
[2016-04-27 15:05:44] cengel : Not sure, would be nice if one could have setting on limit orders of XBT24H which do not clear them upon new contract. Something like a check box to say 'keep alive'
[2016-04-27 15:06:06] hedgehog0223 : Yes, I would need that
[2016-04-27 15:06:14] BitMEX_Wally : cengel: We support this at the account level
[2016-04-27 15:06:31] BitMEX_Wally : cengel: If we flag your account as 'MarketMaker' then orders will be left open during relisting
[2016-04-27 15:06:58] cengel : Sounds las though mr. hedgehog would like this
[2016-04-27 15:07:21] hedgehog0223 : but I'm not really a market maker
[2016-04-27 15:08:00] cengel : maybe if you ask Wally nice he'll do it for you anyway :P
[2016-04-27 15:09:20] hedgehog0223 : BitMEX_Wally: so if you mark my account as market maker, my stop orders won't disappear if they dont get fulfilled till next settlement?
[2016-04-27 15:11:49] habibi : BitMEX_Wally: can u set it to non actual market makers?
[2016-04-27 15:12:23] BitMEX_Wally : If you are flagged as a MarketMaker it used to affect fees, but not any more
[2016-04-27 15:12:27] hedgehog0223 : where can I see my 'acount leve' ?
[2016-04-27 15:12:38] hedgehog0223 : l
[2016-04-27 15:12:45] BitMEX_Wally : If you are flagged as a MarketMaker and have a position and a stop order, then after XBT24H settles and re-lists the position will be gone but the stop order will remain...
[2016-04-27 15:13:36] cengel : In effect the flag is just a 'keep alive' switch for open orders then?
[2016-04-27 15:13:48] BitMEX_Wally : Yes
[2016-04-27 15:13:56] BitMEX_Wally : Anyone who would like this flag please email support@bitmex.com
[2016-04-27 15:13:57] hedgehog0223 : It's good
[2016-04-27 15:14:12] hedgehog0223 : could you please set it for me?
[2016-04-27 15:14:23] BitMEX_Wally : hedgehog0223: via email, yes :P
[2016-04-27 15:14:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 8174 @ 457.45
[2016-04-27 15:14:33] hedgehog0223 : okay
[2016-04-27 15:14:39] habibi : thanks a lot
[2016-04-27 15:15:09] BitMEX_Wally : Oh, the other difference is that cross margin is enabled by default for MarketMaker, but that's true anyway on BitMEX these days
[2016-04-27 15:15:55] BitMEX_Wally : Before we had the leverage slider non-market maker accounts would default to isolated margin, but now everyone defaults to Cross
[2016-04-27 15:16:21] habibi : btw, market order is still default one ?
[2016-04-27 15:16:45] hedgehog0223 : what is that mean? how much leverage will I get?
[2016-04-27 15:16:49] BitMEX_Wally : It's just a default when trading a new symbol
[2016-04-27 15:16:59] BitMEX_Wally : So there will be no change
[2016-04-27 15:17:15] habibi : easy to spot "new guys" then :)
[2016-04-27 15:17:26] BitMEX_Wally : We remember your leverage settings per symbol
[2016-04-27 15:17:42] Martinos : is there a button the change from isolated margin to mixed?
[2016-04-27 15:20:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 800 @ 455.10
[2016-04-27 15:20:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 3300 @ 455.53
[2016-04-27 15:21:01] BitMEX_Wally : Martinos: There is a leverage slider on the side bar
[2016-04-27 15:21:33] BitMEX_Wally : You can drag that from 100x (isolated) to Cross (not isolated)
[2016-04-27 15:21:41] hedgehog0223 : I sent an email
[2016-04-27 15:21:45] Martinos : oh isee
[2016-04-27 15:22:04] hedgehog0223 : BitMEX_Wally:
[2016-04-27 15:22:08] Martinos : thanks
[2016-04-27 15:24:30] BitMEX_Wally : hedgehog0223: Got the email and your account is updated
[2016-04-27 15:24:41] hedgehog0223 : Thank you!
[2016-04-27 15:25:37] hedgehog0223 : can I see somwhere in my account that I'm flagged ?
[2016-04-27 15:26:31] BitMEX_Wally : via the API
[2016-04-27 15:28:42] BitMEX_Wally : Actually, not sure. You'll have to ask BitMEX_Sam
[2016-04-27 15:29:21] BitMEX_Wally : Basically if you have an order in XBT24H and after 12:00 UTC it is canceled with the message "Instrument expired" then you do not have the flag
[2016-04-27 15:31:38] hedgehog0223 : I understand
[2016-04-27 15:32:14] hedgehog0223 : but from now on I can use XBT48H for rolling with a stop as well
[2016-04-27 15:32:59] hedgehog0223 : because that was my problem: Instrument expired
[2016-04-27 15:33:29] j8 : seems it would make more sense to move orders on XBT48H to XBT24H with that flag
[2016-04-27 15:34:05] hedgehog0223 : yes that's what I'd like to do
[2016-04-27 15:34:13] nip : theres no reason to cancel 48h orders
[2016-04-27 15:37:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 200 @ 454.04
[2016-04-27 15:38:35] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, we thought about moving XBT48H orders to XBT24H but decided against it due to the complexity of amending the symbol on an open order. Once we have the non-expiring `XBTUSD` this won't be a problem anymore
[2016-04-27 15:40:47] mrp1nk : the feeling when you get stopped out and filled above your limit price ....
[2016-04-27 15:41:29] mrp1nk : feels scammy
[2016-04-27 15:43:42] BitMEX_Wally : mrp1nk: Stop orders are triggered based on the mark price
[2016-04-27 15:44:19] mrp1nk : yeah i know... is there any place where i can see the market price over time?
[2016-04-27 15:45:17] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.XBT
[2016-04-27 15:46:26] mrp1nk : ok, thx
[2016-04-27 15:46:42] BitMEX_Wally : The mark price dropped to 454.50 and then your stop triggered an hit the bid at 454.91
[2016-04-27 15:47:19] mrp1nk : ok, sorry, i just was looking at the order book
[2016-04-27 15:47:58] BitMEX_Wally : No worries, I'm heading out now, cya all.
[2016-04-27 15:49:22] mathewpk13 : BitMEX_Wally: okay bro
[2016-04-27 15:51:15] mrp1nk : till now i assumed that the market price is the mean of the ask/bid price - lol
[2016-04-27 16:36:04] dannybreal : hello, new here , sry , how can I close my trade?
[2016-04-27 16:37:42] habibi : do the opposite trade to ur position
[2016-04-27 16:39:19] dannybreal : ok, think i managed to make a 7% ROI on my first trade :)
[2016-04-27 16:39:53] habibi : shiet, that awsome dude
[2016-04-27 16:40:42] daveberns1 : lol
[2016-04-27 16:41:56] mrp1nk : damn son 7%?
[2016-04-27 16:42:05] BitMEX_Greg : daveberns1: Congrats! Keep it up
[2016-04-27 16:42:40] dannybreal : i'm not even quite sure what i m doing :D
[2016-04-27 16:43:34] habibi : u making bitcoins, like miners but faster :) gj
[2016-04-27 16:44:18] daveberns1 : and WAY less overhead
[2016-04-27 16:44:53] donchard : dannybreal: how did you did it
[2016-04-27 16:45:40] dannybreal : shorted 10 contracts of ethd7 for about 15 min on 10x leverage
[2016-04-27 16:46:17] donchard : that good was it arb
[2016-04-27 16:48:10] dannybreal : oh wow, called it again now on 15x
[2016-04-27 16:48:39] dannybreal : 17% ROE
[2016-04-27 16:55:35] habibi : looks like we got young W. Buffen here :)
[2016-04-27 16:58:21] blackwhite : short everything that you see )
[2016-04-27 16:58:56] blackwhite : when you change your mood then long
[2016-04-27 17:05:34] habibi : dont let market move ur position, move markets urself! :D
[2016-04-27 17:12:21] blackwhite : make ur exhange and live on fees!
[2016-04-27 17:24:41] ilikepies69 : hi, how does this trailing stop work?
[2016-04-27 17:25:41] mathewpk13 : habibi: how to move the markets
[2016-04-27 17:25:56] mathewpk13 : habibi: you doing some manipulation? :P
[2016-04-27 17:25:58] ilikepies69 : i have n contract pos, trying to create a TS of x dollars from current price, but it sez no can do
[2016-04-27 17:28:47] rapidtrades : FOMC in 30
[2016-04-27 17:29:28] donchard : can you trade this news with bitcoins
[2016-04-27 17:30:57] rapidtrades : why would u trade the news dummy
[2016-04-27 17:34:48] GingerDan : Buy it here boys
[2016-04-27 17:35:13] GingerDan : simply a pull back
[2016-04-27 17:59:58] alchemist : yeah?
[2016-04-27 18:00:03] BTCVIX : BitMEX_Wally: so for the new p2p swap product I have a couple of questions : 1) is the payment prorated for the swap -- as in if I hold for 1 hr during the day is there payment or ONLY at the time you specify are the holders credited/debited
[2016-04-27 18:00:04] alchemist : im in the wrong position lol
[2016-04-27 18:20:47] GingerDan : I'd be lying if I didn't have a stop sell order in case it drops again, but zoom out to the daily, and it's no biggie - should be good to keep going up
[2016-04-27 18:35:35] BitMEX_Greg : BTCVIX: Hey VIX, wrong timezone for Wally right now. When he's up I'll get a reply for you
[2016-04-27 19:02:35] alchemist : whos the biggest winner the last 24/48 hrs?
[2016-04-27 19:05:27] arbitrage001 : exchanges with their fee?
[2016-04-27 19:15:14] alchemist : I mean i wonder if anyone is making like $1000s everyday
[2016-04-27 19:15:19] alchemist : retail customers
[2016-04-27 19:17:41] alchemist : frist trade, 12% ROE cool.
[2016-04-27 19:17:49] arbitrage001 : alchemist: retail by nature is the least informed group of traders
[2016-04-27 19:18:08] arbitrage001 : normally on the bottom of the food chain
[2016-04-27 19:18:58] arbitrage001 : if in the long term, you survive and make a living by trading, then you should celebrate
[2016-04-27 20:49:09] giovannicontini : alchemist: I was making over 1k a day last week, but lost about the same in the last 3 days
[2016-04-27 20:54:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 440 @ 453.87
[2016-04-27 21:09:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT48H`: Sell 2 @ 453.48 :punch: :whale:
[2016-04-27 21:10:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 5894 @ 451.83
[2016-04-27 21:10:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 8000 @ 452.94
[2016-04-27 21:10:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 167 @ 451.48
[2016-04-27 21:14:12] REKT : HODL HODL HODL!
[2016-04-27 21:14:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT48H`: Sell 4 @ 451.18 :punch: :whale:
[2016-04-27 21:14:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 300 @ 449.74
[2016-04-27 21:14:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 2218 @ 503.77
[2016-04-27 21:14:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 2350 @ 449.47
[2016-04-27 21:14:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 500 @ 503.53
[2016-04-27 21:14:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 5 @ 507.52
[2016-04-27 21:14:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1000 @ 448.57
[2016-04-27 21:14:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 4250 @ 448.13
[2016-04-27 21:15:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 20000 @ 447.80 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-04-27 21:15:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 8850 @ 502.56
[2016-04-27 21:15:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 276 @ 447.42
[2016-04-27 21:38:55] rapidtrades : still no discount?
[2016-04-27 21:39:46] rapidtrades : the ether scum is playing with us again
[2016-04-27 21:39:55] habibi : too much bots, way less traders
[2016-04-27 21:40:06] rapidtrades : im trading
[2016-04-27 21:40:20] habibi : but u wanna discount, so do i
[2016-04-27 21:40:24] habibi : who gonna make discount?
[2016-04-27 21:40:34] rapidtrades : some dummy
[2016-04-27 21:40:47] habibi : yea but they loose money way too fast here :(
[2016-04-27 21:40:48] rapidtrades : should get rekted soon
[2016-04-27 21:41:29] rapidtrades : china firmly in the lead now
[2016-04-27 21:41:34] rapidtrades : US panicking
[2016-04-27 21:42:14] habibi : yea china buy zone 2980-2910 imo
[2016-04-27 21:42:20] habibi : 2880*
[2016-04-27 21:42:46] rapidtrades : sure, as long as they're buying don't care where it is
[2016-04-27 21:55:35] rapidtrades : well looks like that's it....at least I got 10 btc arb in there....should've been more
[2016-04-27 22:08:37] rapidtrades : habibi: does the 24h session work for u? i got logged out after 5mins again
[2016-04-27 22:09:17] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: You need to log in again after activating it
[2016-04-27 22:09:48] rapidtrades : ok i guess it should work now
[2016-04-27 22:11:14] rapidtrades : are these stamp trades for real? it spiked to 410
[2016-04-27 22:11:42] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: where you get the info
[2016-04-27 22:11:53] rapidtrades : TV...look like bad data
[2016-04-27 22:12:07] arbitrage001 : have a link?
[2016-04-27 22:12:25] rapidtrades : trading view
[2016-04-27 22:14:21] arbitrage001 : polo withdrawal getting slower
[2016-04-27 22:14:27] arbitrage001 : this time waited 12 hours
[2016-04-27 22:14:31] arbitrage001 : still waiting
[2016-04-27 22:15:11] arbitrage001 : going to withdraw all my btc next week
[2016-04-27 22:15:22] arbitrage001 : dangerous to put coins there
[2016-04-27 22:16:18] rapidtrades : 12 hrs is not a lot of time to wait tbh
[2016-04-27 22:16:33] arbitrage001 : for btc it is
[2016-04-27 22:16:46] arbitrage001 : when market sentiment change fast
[2016-04-27 22:16:57] j8 : yeah, and their withdrawal limits are in USD equivalent.. so if the price goes up you're stuck
[2016-04-27 22:17:00] arbitrage001 : the ability to get in and out of trade is important
[2016-04-27 22:17:21] rapidtrades : yeah sucks for arbing keke
[2016-04-27 22:18:36] BTCVIX : BitMEX_Sam: I posted this above for Wally but I think you can answer a couple of questions 1) are you planning on getting rid of all BTC futures contracts for the new p2pswap instrument eventually ? 2) as far as the swap payout is it pro-rated so say I only hold 2 hours during the day will I see a credit/debit for that or is it only for those holding at a certain strike period during the day like a daily overnight charge ?
[2016-04-27 22:19:12] rapidtrades : yeah i think they'll get rid of them eventually...its the bitmex way of doing things
[2016-04-27 22:19:30] rapidtrades : shove things down ppl's throat
[2016-04-27 22:19:38] arbitrage001 : kind of sux
[2016-04-27 22:19:52] arbitrage001 : when i am just getting used to and 6 months contract
[2016-04-27 22:20:02] arbitrage001 : btc
[2016-04-27 22:20:19] rapidtrades : yeah still using testing amounts here :)
[2016-04-27 22:20:28] j8 : it also means it'll probably just be an inverse contract.. it's too bad, i like the long term quantos
[2016-04-27 22:20:34] BitMEX_Arthur : BTCVIX: Hi
[2016-04-27 22:20:42] BTCVIX : BitMEX_Arthur: hey man
[2016-04-27 22:20:48] rapidtrades : hey daddy
[2016-04-27 22:20:53] BitMEX_Arthur : 1) Yes, we want to replace all underlying with one swap product
[2016-04-27 22:20:59] BitMEX_Arthur : 2) interest is not pro-rated
[2016-04-27 22:21:27] BitMEX_Arthur : it is like a bond coupon, if you hold on the coupon date you receive or pay, if you don't then you don't
[2016-04-27 22:21:49] BitMEX_Arthur : however, the market will price in the pro-rated interest between payment times
[2016-04-27 22:21:51] BTCVIX : BitMEX_Arthur: and you have a specific time every day for this correct ?
[2016-04-27 22:21:55] BitMEX_Arthur : yes
[2016-04-27 22:21:58] BitMEX_Arthur : 12 GMT
[2016-04-27 22:22:04] BitMEX_Arthur : but it will be very clearly specified
[2016-04-27 22:22:21] rapidtrades : so its a bond with 24h duration?
[2016-04-27 22:22:26] BitMEX_Arthur : correct
[2016-04-27 22:22:27] BTCVIX : ok and so if I would sell at 11:59 and re-buy at 12:01 I wouldn't be subject to it correct
[2016-04-27 22:23:11] BitMEX_Arthur : yes
[2016-04-27 22:23:52] BitMEX_Arthur : so say you bought at 12:01 T, sold 11:19 T, bought 12:01 T + 2
[2016-04-27 22:23:53] BitMEX_Arthur : T+1
[2016-04-27 22:24:23] BitMEX_Arthur : the price will be higher at 12:01 to reflect the fact that there is accrued interest
[2016-04-27 22:24:37] BitMEX_Arthur : the price will decay linearly dependant on the expected interest payment from 12:01 to 11:59
[2016-04-27 22:24:43] BitMEX_Arthur : so you will in effect pay it anyway
[2016-04-27 22:24:47] BTCVIX : yeah -- it actually might end up being a small tradable event even
[2016-04-27 22:25:03] BitMEX_Arthur : same as the dirty price of a bon
[2016-04-27 22:25:05] BitMEX_Arthur : bond
[2016-04-27 22:25:47] BTCVIX : so theoretically speaking -- longs will want to sell before that time and shorts will want to short into that event
[2016-04-27 22:26:09] BTCVIX : could mean a depressed price just before coupon time
[2016-04-27 22:26:16] BitMEX_Arthur : doubtful
[2016-04-27 22:26:37] BitMEX_Arthur : the market makers will price in the expected interest to be received or paid right after the last coupon
[2016-04-27 22:26:48] BTCVIX : BitMEX_Arthur: alright I just wanted some clarity on that -- I think I understand it now
[2016-04-27 22:26:50] BitMEX_Arthur : that interest component will decay linearly with time until right before payment
[2016-04-27 22:27:36] BitMEX_Arthur : so if u buy right after and sell right before, you would pay your pro-rated share, it is just that we as BitMEX don't have to do that, we let the market solve it
[2016-04-27 22:32:11] tscha : just as stocks dropping at ex-div date
[2016-04-27 22:32:18] tscha : @vix
[2016-04-27 22:33:46] tscha : just the other way round
[2016-04-27 22:33:46] rapidtrades : vix is not his name
[2016-04-27 22:34:55] BTCVIX : tscha: yeah I get the idea -- I was just trying to clarify on how it was structured
[2016-04-27 22:35:23] rapidtrades : selling doesn't stop
[2016-04-27 22:36:39] tscha : rapidtrades: because you are still long :)
[2016-04-27 22:37:06] tscha : rapidtrades: better close that position and grab the profit while you still can :)
[2016-04-27 22:41:20] rapidtrades : tscha: never
[2016-04-27 22:42:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 4 @ 449.15 :punch: :whale:
[2016-04-27 22:47:01] arbitrage001 : there are over 450k une contract
[2016-04-27 22:47:22] arbitrage001 : meaning there are still huge interest for people trading btc future contract
[2016-04-27 22:47:24] rapidtrades : where 450k
[2016-04-27 22:47:33] rapidtrades : in total?
[2016-04-27 22:47:42] arbitrage001 : yes
[2016-04-27 22:47:46] arbitrage001 : you can check
[2016-04-27 22:48:04] arbitrage001 : open interest
[2016-04-27 22:48:20] rapidtrades : well if it was me I would keep everything and just add new instruments
[2016-04-27 22:48:28] rapidtrades : but that's not bitmex :)
[2016-04-27 22:48:31] arbitrage001 : and currently over 65k sep contract
[2016-04-27 22:49:26] arbitrage001 : removing them will alienate many traders here
[2016-04-27 22:49:37] BitMEX_Arthur : We aren't removing them
[2016-04-27 22:49:44] BitMEX_Arthur : They will continue to trade until expiry
[2016-04-27 22:49:51] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-04-27 22:50:04] arbitrage001 : will new 6 months contract be created?
[2016-04-27 22:50:16] BitMEX_Arthur : Under our current plan, no
[2016-04-27 22:51:03] BitMEX_Arthur : You won't need a 6 month contract
[2016-04-27 22:51:11] BitMEX_Arthur : You can buy our new product and hold for as long as youlike
[2016-04-27 22:51:27] BitMEX_Arthur : but you don't have to worry about settlement, and understanding different symbols
[2016-04-27 22:51:27] arbitrage001 : will see how things work
[2016-04-27 22:51:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT48H`: Sell 12000 @ 448.18
[2016-04-27 22:51:36] BitMEX_Arthur : it will be much easier for the vast majority of BitMEX traders
[2016-04-27 22:51:44] arbitrage001 : ok
[2016-04-27 22:51:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT48H`: Sell 110 @ 447.19
[2016-04-27 22:51:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT48H`: Sell 5200 @ 447.10
[2016-04-27 22:52:00] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 4000 @ 447.79
[2016-04-27 22:52:00] REKT : Blood on the streets!
[2016-04-27 22:52:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 500 @ 447.15
[2016-04-27 22:52:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 3000 @ 447.03
[2016-04-27 22:53:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 5300 @ 446.58
[2016-04-27 22:55:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTU16`: Sell 500 @ 593.59
[2016-04-27 22:55:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTU16`: Sell 100 @ 578.88
[2016-04-27 22:55:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTU16`: Sell 26 @ 585.30
[2016-04-27 22:59:05] rapidtrades : sleger stop selling you ahole
[2016-04-27 23:05:23] giovannicontini : rapidtrades: (y)
[2016-04-27 23:06:31] rapidtrades : last night i went to bed at normal hrs, looks like that's not gonna repeat
[2016-04-27 23:39:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 10 @ 446.70
[2016-04-27 23:40:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 2400 @ 500.00
[2016-04-27 23:40:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 23500 @ 444.24 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-04-27 23:44:06] 1QaZxSw2 : :bitmex: testing
[2016-04-27 23:52:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 188 @ 0.01749
[2016-04-27 23:56:46] mrp1nk : some1 already in btfd mode?
[2016-04-28 00:02:57] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 3400 @ 445.65
[2016-04-28 00:21:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 2073 @ 442.63
[2016-04-28 00:30:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 700 @ 440.04
[2016-04-28 00:30:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1750 @ 439.31
[2016-04-28 00:30:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 20000 @ 440.50 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-04-28 00:30:32] REKT : :btc: :soon: :toilet:
[2016-04-28 00:30:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 82 @ 439.12
[2016-04-28 00:30:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 100 @ 495.79
[2016-04-28 00:30:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 2120 @ 437.98
[2016-04-28 00:30:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 800 @ 437.61
[2016-04-28 00:30:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 3000 @ 437.70
[2016-04-28 00:31:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 60350 @ 436.94 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-04-28 00:31:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 10 @ 0.01766
[2016-04-28 00:31:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 17830 @ 438.47 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-04-28 00:31:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTU16`: Sell 10000 @ 575.82
[2016-04-28 00:31:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 400 @ 435.04
[2016-04-28 00:32:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT48H`: Sell 150 @ 437.84
[2016-04-28 00:32:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 8000 @ 435.78
[2016-04-28 00:32:57] giovannicontini : Holy cow
[2016-04-28 00:37:24] micmix : feels like good old times
[2016-04-28 00:43:48] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-04-28 01:11:26] 1QaZxSw2 : charts not appearing for me. anyone else have this issue?
[2016-04-28 01:11:42] ayy_lmao : that only happens ot me on mobile
[2016-04-28 01:11:50] ayy_lmao : because the scale is messed up
[2016-04-28 01:11:54] ayy_lmao : have to zoom out scale
[2016-04-28 01:12:24] 1QaZxSw2 : i have it on fullscreen on my 1080p monitor
[2016-04-28 01:13:49] ayy_lmao : most likely something else
[2016-04-28 01:14:31] 1QaZxSw2 : i could probably work with the chart they use the mark price from. anyone know where i can get it?
[2016-04-28 01:14:39] Scottv53 : What happend to the BTC price? It seemed to be movingly nicely up.??
[2016-04-28 01:14:55] 1QaZxSw2 : pump-n-dump bro.
[2016-04-28 01:15:15] 1QaZxSw2 : this is what happens to the college girl the day after she hooks up with the quarterback
[2016-04-28 01:15:20] 1QaZxSw2 : dumped
[2016-04-28 01:16:35] Scottv53 : where bottom here?
[2016-04-28 01:17:16] Scottv53 : Where's the bottom from here?
[2016-04-28 01:18:18] rapidtrades : if i knew that bottom i wouldn't be still bagholding
[2016-04-28 01:18:53] Sancler : Friend, how I can get the platform ?
[2016-04-28 01:21:28] rapidtrades : almost no selling in litecoin
[2016-04-28 01:21:29] ayy_lmao : cryptowat.ch has bitmex charts
[2016-04-28 01:21:36] ayy_lmao : as does tradingview
[2016-04-28 01:22:06] OmniQuantDesk : so I bought the 400-ish BTC in rekt contracts
[2016-04-28 01:22:09] ayy_lmao : https://cryptowat.ch/bitmex/xbt-daily-futures
[2016-04-28 01:22:50] OmniQuantDesk : 2.23 BTC on that
[2016-04-28 01:23:19] OmniQuantDesk : could have been more if I didn't sprinkle it around at marginal profits but who wants to be long so much for so long, this shit is craaazy
[2016-04-28 01:23:27] 1QaZxSw2 : thanks ayy
[2016-04-28 01:24:22] 1QaZxSw2 : dat shee cray as Dr Dre say
[2016-04-28 01:27:55] Scottv53 : <b>
[2016-04-28 01:30:48] rapidtrades : bears need to ttake a chill pill
[2016-04-28 01:30:57] rapidtrades : eth isn't even going up anymore
[2016-04-28 02:05:00] OmniQuantDesk : pretty clean inverse relationship
[2016-04-28 02:05:14] OmniQuantDesk : does this mean if BTC goes to >600 ETH goes back to .002
[2016-04-28 02:17:03] ayy_lmao : there is going to be a point where that inverse relationship stops if btc reaches 600
[2016-04-28 02:17:06] ayy_lmao : else eth would go to 0
[2016-04-28 02:18:13] rapidtrades : eth should go to 0
[2016-04-28 02:18:19] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-04-28 02:28:01] j8 : i'd buy some eth if they were free
[2016-04-28 02:57:14] rapidtrades : ''i'd buy some eth if they were free'' j8 2016
[2016-04-28 02:59:42] rapidtrades : if u have multiple loans on okc, is it better to pay off the smaller ones completely or doesn't matter?
[2016-04-28 03:04:25] rapidtrades : nice 2% crash in yen pairs...tnx boj
[2016-04-28 03:21:17] OmniQuantDesk : distributive property says you pay your average interest rate on the sum of your deb
[2016-04-28 03:21:22] OmniQuantDesk : t
[2016-04-28 03:52:18] Rune : Hi
[2016-04-28 04:04:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 111 @ 439.95
[2016-04-28 04:06:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 3995 @ 439.70
[2016-04-28 04:07:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 10 @ 439.01
[2016-04-28 04:24:08] Rune : wow not many ppl on here
[2016-04-28 04:31:08] daveberns1 : Sounds like EPIC MEGA REKT is still selling, lol
[2016-04-28 04:32:00] Samirum : Rune: so many
[2016-04-28 04:35:13] Rune : troll box is a ghost town
[2016-04-28 04:38:12] jung1 : yeah
[2016-04-28 04:38:21] jung1 : rektbot is most active so far
[2016-04-28 04:41:57] Rune : how long can a position stay open
[2016-04-28 04:42:56] jung1 : depends on the instrument that you trade
[2016-04-28 04:43:24] jung1 : daily are closed everyday at 13:00
[2016-04-28 04:43:38] jung1 : Daily Roll expires after 48h
[2016-04-28 04:44:01] jung1 : Every Friday after thats easy
[2016-04-28 04:44:14] jung1 : and 3 and 6 months
[2016-04-28 04:44:18] Rune : I cant have a position that stays open untill I close it?
[2016-04-28 04:44:30] BitMEX_Arthur : Rune: We are working on that
[2016-04-28 04:44:31] jung1 : shure
[2016-04-28 04:44:34] BitMEX_Arthur : but for now the longest is 6 months
[2016-04-28 04:47:00] Rune : 6 month position are starting at 580
[2016-04-28 04:47:02] Rune : wow
[2016-04-28 04:47:21] BitMEX_Arthur : That is where the market expects the price to be in September
[2016-04-28 04:54:02] jung1 : undervaluated imo
[2016-04-28 04:57:09] BitMEX_Arthur : jung1: Guess you know what you should be doing then
[2016-04-28 04:57:16] Rune : I like this site
[2016-04-28 04:57:24] BitMEX_Arthur : :smile:
[2016-04-28 04:57:25] jung1 : yup
[2016-04-28 05:01:23] Rune : 75% ROE
[2016-04-28 05:01:35] Rune : at 100 do I double my money
[2016-04-28 05:01:43] jung1 : yes
[2016-04-28 05:01:44] Rune : is that how it works my first time
[2016-04-28 05:02:20] jung1 : but its count from mark price and its different than market price
[2016-04-28 05:03:18] Rune : a lil over 3$ movement is so much ROE
[2016-04-28 05:03:24] Rune : crazy
[2016-04-28 05:03:48] jung1 : welcome :)
[2016-04-28 05:04:26] jung1 : imagine how fun was during eth pump
[2016-04-28 05:04:36] Rune : lol
[2016-04-28 05:26:55] alchemist : we will pump it
[2016-04-28 05:27:45] alchemist : i just dont have many btc right now I need to add more lol. after testing it, its cool. Id need to experiment with trailing and the other order types
[2016-04-28 05:34:18] jung1 : you can try it on testnet
[2016-04-28 07:18:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 601 @ 0.01691
[2016-04-28 07:23:30] Rune : why price jump so much
[2016-04-28 07:29:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 453 @ 0.01659
[2016-04-28 07:29:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 88 @ 0.01659
[2016-04-28 07:29:11] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 20 @ 443.87
[2016-04-28 07:29:40] jung1 : couse you were short
[2016-04-28 07:30:54] Rune : really up now
[2016-04-28 07:31:02] Rune : I never shorted
[2016-04-28 07:31:11] Rune : I am long from 438.47
[2016-04-28 07:31:25] Rune : 122.93 ROE
[2016-04-28 07:51:55] Rune : poor guy who went long at 447
[2016-04-28 07:57:47] jung1 : depends on margin
[2016-04-28 08:01:32] Rune : why would I come here if im not trading at 100x
[2016-04-28 08:03:56] jung1 : you can choose your lavarage
[2016-04-28 08:07:32] ayy_lmao : chat wont let me say lol
[2016-04-28 08:07:49] ayy_lmao : need to put a cooldown on words lol
[2016-04-28 08:07:57] ayy_lmao : i sent that lol hours ago
[2016-04-28 08:08:05] ayy_lmao : says im spamming
[2016-04-28 08:10:12] jung1 : bitcoin is serious businness
[2016-04-28 08:10:35] jung1 : there is no space for laugh
[2016-04-28 08:19:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 11 @ 0.01649
[2016-04-28 08:27:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 19975 @ 444.25 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-04-28 08:28:02] jung1 : ouch
[2016-04-28 08:29:12] Rune : wow
[2016-04-28 08:29:26] Rune : mega rekt is right
[2016-04-28 08:29:38] zanza : Yen got rekt
[2016-04-28 08:48:33] ayy_lmao : lol wut
[2016-04-28 08:49:10] ayy_lmao : dude got mc in a matter of hours
[2016-04-28 08:49:15] ayy_lmao : on low volume lmao
[2016-04-28 08:52:12] Samirum : ayy_lmao:
[2016-04-28 08:53:29] Samirum : Looks like the party's over
[2016-04-28 08:53:59] ayy_lmao : wasnt me
[2016-04-28 08:57:07] Samirum : ayy_lmao: it's you
[2016-04-28 09:27:49] rapidtrades : it was me
[2016-04-28 09:47:30] tscha : rapidtrades: still long
[2016-04-28 09:47:46] tscha : ?
[2016-04-28 09:50:08] jung1 : btc market cap is again >7bln$
[2016-04-28 10:15:29] rapidtrades : yeah still long
[2016-04-28 10:26:02] dannybreal : cmon chineze
[2016-04-28 10:26:29] dannybreal : is there a cap on the amount of contracts ?
[2016-04-28 10:26:48] dannybreal : 100k contracts on 100x leverage :D
[2016-04-28 10:27:20] rapidtrades : its ChineSe
[2016-04-28 10:27:42] rapidtrades : also known as the ching chong people
[2016-04-28 10:27:44] dannybreal : tryn to b cool (H)
[2016-04-28 10:28:05] dannybreal : why are they the marketmakers and price setters
[2016-04-28 10:44:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 30 @ 444.91
[2016-04-28 10:51:19] dannybreal : why do I ALWAYS do the wrong thing , got scared , would have made 20% ,
[2016-04-28 10:51:42] habibi : dont think about what would u have made, just make it :)
[2016-04-28 10:58:58] dannybreal : thanks for the tip :)
[2016-04-28 10:59:49] dannybreal : when I buy market , i go Long? and 4 shorting the market i have to sell the market?=
[2016-04-28 11:00:28] habibi : u can simple do limit order at price whatever u want to buy/sell and wait for getting filled
[2016-04-28 11:04:16] dannybreal : have to learn that, dont really get limit orders , I just wanna buy low sell high and vice verca
[2016-04-28 11:06:17] habibi : omg
[2016-04-28 11:13:55] Rune : how does closing the position work
[2016-04-28 11:14:08] habibi : close open close open
[2016-04-28 11:14:16] habibi : buy sell/sell buy
[2016-04-28 11:14:23] Rune : yes
[2016-04-28 11:14:24] Rune : but
[2016-04-28 11:14:33] Rune : it says 1 hour left
[2016-04-28 11:14:40] Rune : if I wait till that expires
[2016-04-28 11:14:45] Rune : what happends
[2016-04-28 11:14:51] habibi : it will settle at settlement price
[2016-04-28 11:15:36] Rune : how is the settlement price decided
[2016-04-28 11:16:05] habibi : read help tab, u will get a lot of usefull information there
[2016-04-28 11:16:12] Rune : ok
[2016-04-28 11:19:17] dannybreal : so when i bougt the market @ 445.15 shud wait till setteled @ 446.37=
[2016-04-28 11:19:23] dannybreal : ?
[2016-04-28 11:21:58] dannybreal : Positions Closed Positions Active Orders Stops Order History Symbol Qty Price Filled Fill Price Gross Value Type Status Time Symbol Qty Price Filled Fill Price Gross Value Type Status Time XBT24H -2000 Market -2000 445.81 8.9136 XBT Market Filled 2016-04-28 14:18:11 XBT24H 2000 Market 2000 445.68 8.9140 XBT Market Filled 2016-04-28 13:57:44 XBT24H -2000 Market -2000 443.19 8.8636 XBT Market Filled 2016-04-28 13:31:25 XBT24H 2000 Market 2000 443.26 8.8672 XBT Market Filled 2016-04-28 13:11:09 what am I doing wrong
[2016-04-28 11:22:00] habibi : ur choice, if u managed to close it higher than settle price then its good
[2016-04-28 11:22:44] dannybreal : dont understand a thing , fukkkk
[2016-04-28 11:22:52] habibi : so don't gamble