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[2016-04-25 02:02:09] rapidtrades : that govanni guy?
[2016-04-25 02:02:18] rapidtrades : the social networking guy?
[2016-04-25 02:02:19] habibi : i dont know, was he opening like a md?
[2016-04-25 02:02:30] rapidtrades : he was short initially
[2016-04-25 02:03:22] Swedishnut : 475 by Friday?
[2016-04-25 02:17:35] j8 : this bot on `XBU7D` is really pushing its luck
[2016-04-25 02:18:03] rapidtrades : hwwy
[2016-04-25 02:18:52] rapidtrades : Swedishnut: well well, look at what the vikings dragged in
[2016-04-25 02:19:45] BitMEX_Sam : j8: Even bots have dreams
[2016-04-25 02:20:13] j8 : i hope its dream of $21000 bitcoins comes true
[2016-04-25 02:20:48] rapidtrades : eh?
[2016-04-25 02:27:12] rapidtrades : coinbase 464
[2016-04-25 02:53:15] Bitcoingirl : 30 Sep is $620.37. Can I sell bitcoin for $630.37 each, delivered on 30 Sep?
[2016-04-25 03:03:37] zanza : yes ma'am
[2016-04-25 03:03:38] rapidtrades : its a quanto contract
[2016-04-25 03:04:05] rapidtrades : settled in btc, not deliverable
[2016-04-25 03:04:41] zanza : same thing tho rite?
[2016-04-25 03:05:29] rapidtrades : shorting that contract could expose u to exponential losses, use the calculator if u don't know how quantos work
[2016-04-25 03:26:08] Swedishnut : Glad to see lots of new folks :)
[2016-04-25 04:05:57] zanza : and a grill too swedishnut
[2016-04-25 04:35:45] Abitcoinbrain : how can you sell deliverable btc for spect 30th
[2016-04-25 04:35:53] Abitcoinbrain : sept
[2016-04-25 06:50:42] uiop : i just noticed that nadex has binary options on bitcoin
[2016-04-25 06:50:43] uiop : http://www.nadex.com/trade-bitcoin.html
[2016-04-25 06:54:04] uiop : has anyone talked about this before?
[2016-04-25 06:54:21] uiop : ive never traded binary options though
[2016-04-25 06:54:32] uiop : dunno how bad the spreads are
[2016-04-25 06:54:40] uiop : at nadex
[2016-04-25 06:58:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT48H`: Sell 1000 @ 461.29
[2016-04-25 08:35:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT48H`: Buy 500 @ 463.11
[2016-04-25 09:18:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 25 @ 458.70
[2016-04-25 10:50:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT48H`: Sell 5000 @ 459.40
[2016-04-25 11:32:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 2011 @ 463.26
[2016-04-25 11:32:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 1 @ 463.13 :punch: :whale:
[2016-04-25 11:32:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 1500 @ 463.71
[2016-04-25 11:39:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 100 @ 456.26
[2016-04-25 11:42:28] rapidtrades : guys
[2016-04-25 11:42:41] habibi : whats up
[2016-04-25 11:43:40] rapidtrades : are we following coinbase?
[2016-04-25 11:43:44] rapidtrades : we're higher then everyone
[2016-04-25 11:44:07] elmorte : What's cracking? Downmoon or wat?
[2016-04-25 12:02:46] j8 : china's been dragging, i think they need to lead the next leg up if it's gonna happen
[2016-04-25 12:05:56] rapidtrades : i have a sneaky suspicssion china will lead soon
[2016-04-25 12:08:43] j8 : i'm ready for it
[2016-04-25 13:17:06] Samirum : j8: I'm alao ready for the dump
[2016-04-25 13:47:40] rapidtrades : Samirum: the only dump will be in ur pants bud
[2016-04-25 13:47:54] rapidtrades : after u get rekted in the rektum
[2016-04-25 13:48:38] mrp1nk : dump?
[2016-04-25 13:48:43] mrp1nk : why so bearish guise
[2016-04-25 13:49:28] mrp1nk : to cite a chat buddy of mine
[2016-04-25 13:49:37] mrp1nk : "5 dollar doom is the name of my emo band"
[2016-04-25 13:49:49] mrp1nk : "They make songs about weak hands"
[2016-04-25 13:50:30] Samirum : rapidtrades: ok
[2016-04-25 13:54:30] rapidtrades : yeah OK, you probably like that don't you
[2016-04-25 13:55:51] mrp1nk : was this mega 202k rekt sledger?
[2016-04-25 13:56:28] mrp1nk : or was it the guy that pushed the 24h 6$ above spot
[2016-04-25 13:58:03] davidjames : our team has insider info for price change with bitcoin
[2016-04-25 14:00:28] mrp1nk : james!
[2016-04-25 14:01:06] rapidtrades : davidjames: f off james
[2016-04-25 14:01:12] rapidtrades : and welcome back
[2016-04-25 14:01:14] rapidtrades : now f off
[2016-04-25 14:01:25] mrp1nk : your are back, tell us more about your magic insider group
[2016-04-25 14:01:27] davidjames : rapidtrades: you fuck off
[2016-04-25 14:02:03] davidjames : rapidtrades: email me and i will make you some money this week
[2016-04-25 14:02:27] rapidtrades : that's EXACTLY what Hitler said
[2016-04-25 14:02:38] BitMEX_Sam : Word for word, I think.
[2016-04-25 14:02:46] sleger : mrp1nk: why would I get rekt ?
[2016-04-25 14:02:50] j8 : not exactly, he said it in german of course
[2016-04-25 14:03:14] davidjames : hitler did not have email
[2016-04-25 14:03:24] mrp1nk : sleger: dunno, but you are one of the few that i assume that are taking that big positions
[2016-04-25 14:03:44] rapidtrades : it was prolly the social networking guy
[2016-04-25 14:03:53] mrp1nk : but i know, sledger the hedger never gets rekt. i was just joking
[2016-04-25 14:04:02] sleger : mrp1nk: but I use small leverage
[2016-04-25 14:04:13] sleger : and dont get rekt
[2016-04-25 14:04:14] rapidtrades : I'll call him Zuckerberg from now on
[2016-04-25 14:04:24] mrp1nk : sleger: may i ask how much?
[2016-04-25 14:04:33] sleger : ~3x
[2016-04-25 14:04:40] mrp1nk : ok, thx.
[2016-04-25 14:04:59] mrp1nk : do you have any book recommendation on hedging? @sleger
[2016-04-25 14:05:42] davidjames : you all are just screwed in this market
[2016-04-25 14:05:53] rapidtrades : sleger: hey so continuing the convo from yday...u mentioned 1000/2500 ratio for annual gain/ max DD....does ur data include 2008?
[2016-04-25 14:06:23] davidjames : have fun borrowing money to make money thats sad
[2016-04-25 14:06:28] davidjames : gay fags
[2016-04-25 14:07:14] mrp1nk : davidjames: lol
[2016-04-25 14:07:38] mrp1nk : davidjames: make at least one call to proof your shshshs secret insider group
[2016-04-25 14:12:30] Samirum : davidjames: what'5
[2016-04-25 14:12:51] Samirum : Prediction for ether
[2016-04-25 14:13:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 10 @ 0.01723
[2016-04-25 14:17:19] rapidtrades : jmes bought eth at 0.04
[2016-04-25 14:17:30] rapidtrades : james*
[2016-04-25 14:19:27] Samirum : rapidtrades: he's short
[2016-04-25 14:20:09] mrp1nk : james is a running gag @Samirum
[2016-04-25 14:20:59] mrp1nk : remember remember: "The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
[2016-04-25 14:21:16] Samirum : rapidtrades: whats you say on eth, thinking on going long
[2016-04-25 14:21:28] Samirum : mrp1nk: Good advice
[2016-04-25 14:21:44] rapidtrades : still short eth but trading on daily charts here
[2016-04-25 14:24:23] Samirum : rapidtrades: why are you still shorting
[2016-04-25 14:24:56] Samirum : rapidtrades: Where do you think is the bottom
[2016-04-25 14:25:13] mrp1nk : Samirum: 0.007
[2016-04-25 14:25:29] Samirum : mrp1nk: hehe
[2016-04-25 14:26:02] Samirum : mrp1nk: The bottom is 0
[2016-04-25 14:26:15] Samirum : For me
[2016-04-25 14:26:51] rapidtrades : bottom? idk prolly below ripple market cap....maybe above litecoin
[2016-04-25 14:27:23] rapidtrades : so 3x lower then the current price
[2016-04-25 14:28:22] Samirum : rapidtrades: maybe in 3 month it can reach that
[2016-04-25 14:28:43] sleger : rapidtrades: did you look what it takes to short options in terms of capital requirements ?
[2016-04-25 14:28:58] donchard : hello any support there
[2016-04-25 14:29:27] rapidtrades : sleger: i know what it takes, plus i always add wings
[2016-04-25 14:30:15] sleger : if you dont have real money (200k) it wont make sense capital wise
[2016-04-25 14:31:14] rapidtrades : ok tnx for that advice
[2016-04-25 14:36:26] BitMEX_Arthur : donchard: How can we help?
[2016-04-25 14:37:19] donchard : sir i sold xbt24 at 464.87 and am still on losses
[2016-04-25 14:37:56] mrp1nk : BitMEX_Arthur: hey arthur, could u come a second to the whalepool tg group?
[2016-04-25 14:38:57] donchard : BitMEX_Arthur: helo
[2016-04-25 14:44:35] donchard : BitMEX_Arthur: are you there
[2016-04-25 14:44:41] BitMEX_Arthur : Yes
[2016-04-25 14:44:46] BitMEX_Arthur : How can I help
[2016-04-25 14:44:54] mrp1nk : BitMEX_Arthur: i don't want to disclose my identity on tg, but some1 making serious allegations against bitmex.
[2016-04-25 14:45:16] mrp1nk : That's why i asked you to come
[2016-04-25 14:46:18] BitMEX_Arthur : mrp1nk: Thanks for the heads up, we are on top of it
[2016-04-25 14:47:10] mrp1nk : @BitMEX_Arthur: Thanks for coming and commenting the allegations
[2016-04-25 14:47:31] donchard : BitMEX_Arthur: my account say i sold xbt24 at 464 but am on loss
[2016-04-25 14:49:02] sleger : mrp1nk: link ?
[2016-04-25 14:49:17] mrp1nk : https://telegram.me/whalepoolbtc
[2016-04-25 14:49:25] sleger : thanks
[2016-04-25 14:50:39] BitMEX_Arthur : donchard: If you have specific questions about your account trading history please submit a support request, we don't like to discuss your account details over this public chat
[2016-04-25 14:51:26] donchard : what is ur support
[2016-04-25 14:51:30] donchard : contact
[2016-04-25 14:51:37] BitMEX_Arthur : support@bitmex.com
[2016-04-25 14:52:28] donchard : okay
[2016-04-25 14:53:28] BitMEX_Wally : donchard: XBT48H is rebalanced before it becomes XBT24H so you have some realised profit in your wallet already, plus XBT24H has some realised profit but unrealised loss
[2016-04-25 14:53:50] BitMEX_Wally : You can see the XBT48H transaction here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2016-04-25 14:53:57] sleger : i thought that " 10:51 - donchard: what is ur support 10:51 - do"
[2016-04-25 14:54:03] sleger : oops sorry i meant :
[2016-04-25 14:54:19] sleger : i thought that "we don't like to discuss your account details over this public chat"
[2016-04-25 14:56:20] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, we do not discuss details such as quantities, or pnls
[2016-04-25 15:46:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 14 @ 0.01700
[2016-04-25 15:47:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 270 @ 0.01695
[2016-04-25 15:57:50] mrp1nk : tempted to short the dETH
[2016-04-25 16:03:13] Samirum : mrp1nk: "(-,-)"
[2016-04-25 16:04:06] mrp1nk : Samirum: you long, brah
[2016-04-25 16:04:50] Samirum : mrp1nk: hehe, i'm short from 185
[2016-04-25 16:13:25] mrp1nk : Samirum: nice! free money...
[2016-04-25 16:13:54] MeanReverter : everyone going long 100X margin in bitcoin today?
[2016-04-25 16:14:15] habibi : nah, only u
[2016-04-25 16:15:24] Samirum : mrp1nk: why free, i work for it
[2016-04-25 16:22:13] Samirum : MeanReverter:
[2016-04-25 16:35:26] mathewpk13 : 100x is very risky bro
[2016-04-25 16:36:08] mathewpk13 : and your commission itself will add up to atleast 10%
[2016-04-25 16:37:04] mathewpk13 : If you don't keep a stop loss, a single move can wipe out a very significant portion of your funnds
[2016-04-25 16:37:18] mathewpk13 : @MeanReverter
[2016-04-25 16:37:57] mathewpk13 : MeanReverter: Good luck anway. It is looking bullish for bitcoin today.
[2016-04-25 16:42:58] Samirum : MeanReverter: instead of 100x, you shoutld
[2016-04-25 16:43:11] Samirum : You should trade eth
[2016-04-25 16:53:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 5000 @ 463.54
[2016-04-25 16:55:42] Progamer : hi
[2016-04-25 16:56:21] sleger : did you mean ProgRamMer ?
[2016-04-25 16:57:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 1750 @ 464.50
[2016-04-25 16:58:12] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 5000 @ 465.10
[2016-04-25 16:58:44] Progamer : shit btc moon
[2016-04-25 16:59:00] sleger : that's going to explode soon indeed
[2016-04-25 16:59:23] habibi : even sleger is bullish, wow
[2016-04-25 16:59:43] sleger : 3000cny is broken soon
[2016-04-25 17:00:06] habibi : :)
[2016-04-25 17:04:03] wotan : bitcoin this is a nice strng climb every day a bit
[2016-04-25 17:04:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 2245 @ 0.01665
[2016-04-25 17:14:53] habibi : can u simple explain when liquidations on eth are closed into market and where not?
[2016-04-25 17:15:39] habibi : BitMEX_Wally: *^
[2016-04-25 17:16:21] BTCVIX : habibi: I think a lot surrounding transparency like that should be shown
[2016-04-25 17:16:50] habibi : yep, liquidations are part of market here so it should be simple xplained
[2016-04-25 17:17:03] BTCVIX : agreed
[2016-04-25 17:17:54] BTCVIX : it is all the stuff I have pointed out -- OKC has had that liquidation data both open and closed posted since inception essentially and it helps us understand the kind of markets we are trading so we can make better trade decisions
[2016-04-25 17:18:18] BTCVIX : also the insurance fund is pooled from all the DPE contracts so we don't know how much ETH is contributing versus BTC
[2016-04-25 17:18:30] BTCVIX : as well as drawing I might add
[2016-04-25 17:19:33] BTCVIX : so either is should be made clear on what is contributing and drawing from what contract or they should be separated -- maybe those trading BTC have an issue supporting a fund that draws ETH system losses because they never trade ETH
[2016-04-25 17:20:27] habibi : i like bitmex, dont wanna be offend anyone from stuff specially Daddy :D but its a little suspicious that even when btc got volatile days insurance fund is still reaching all time highs and when it wasnt openly transpaled value in past, it was over and over again close to 0
[2016-04-25 17:21:37] BTCVIX : habibi: well that is what Wally claimed on hangout -- that the fund rarely had more than a few btc in it -- not sure what has changed that has it continuing to surge now that we can see the insurance fund data -- at least some of the data
[2016-04-25 17:22:12] BTCVIX : habibi: basically what about all the historical data of the fund which is what we asked for on hangout -- cool you posted the current fund but why not just post all the data ?
[2016-04-25 17:22:56] habibi : yep, agree. i was asking for it before they publish that data
[2016-04-25 17:23:08] habibi : futher data since that point i mean
[2016-04-25 17:23:36] BTCVIX : habibi: all we can do is keep asking I guess -- they have provided SOME data but are far from the level of transparency they claim
[2016-04-25 17:26:03] yasharghaffarloo : long ETH
[2016-04-25 17:28:54] BTCVIX : habibi: https://youtu.be/4BuDFpZaL08?t=19m2s
[2016-04-25 17:31:42] habibi : yasharghaffarloo: ya ya, double bottom long eth.... bulllshit :)
[2016-04-25 17:31:56] habibi : BTCVIX: i will watch it later, too much attention to price action
[2016-04-25 17:32:31] BTCVIX : habibi: actually it is a timestampped clip specifically where Wally says the insurance fund hovers around 1-2 btc
[2016-04-25 17:32:37] BTCVIX : it is like 20 seconds long
[2016-04-25 17:33:50] habibi : yea, somehow system still keeps dpe to 0 and its growing like mad compared to unknown times
[2016-04-25 17:34:55] sleger : sometimes quantic physics has unexplained effects, maybe the fact that we are now observing the insurance fund actually makes it grow
[2016-04-25 17:36:20] habibi : yea, Schrödinger's insurance fund
[2016-04-25 17:39:10] MeanReverter : Hoping for a windfall profit. Lets go baby. Let it ride! 50BTC x 100leverage
[2016-04-25 17:39:38] habibi : 0.5 btc ?
[2016-04-25 17:40:03] mathewpk13 : MeanReverter: All the best (y).
[2016-04-25 17:42:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTU16`: Buy 2000 @ 636.61
[2016-04-25 17:47:44] MeanReverter : boom
[2016-04-25 17:47:54] habibi : yasharghaffarloo: good call :)
[2016-04-25 17:48:08] mathewpk13 : Daily contract trading at quite a high premium
[2016-04-25 17:48:30] MeanReverter : not selling until 500
[2016-04-25 17:49:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT7D`: Buy 10904 @ 474.36
[2016-04-25 17:49:37] mathewpk13 : MeanReverter: Don't forget to keep a stop loss ;) @MeanReverter
[2016-04-25 17:50:29] habibi : mathewpk13: yesterday was higher
[2016-04-25 17:52:04] mathewpk13 : habibi: how much leverage are you using
[2016-04-25 17:52:27] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTU16`: Buy 25 @ 639.56
[2016-04-25 17:52:32] habibi : 1-5x
[2016-04-25 17:54:26] mathewpk13 : habibi: any idea if 100x has become popular
[2016-04-25 17:54:54] habibi : yea but i guess most of isolated 100x traders here come, loose money and go away
[2016-04-25 17:55:29] mathewpk13 : habibi: I think so too
[2016-04-25 18:01:00] rapidtrades : $2 drop on fine?
[2016-04-25 18:02:44] MeanReverter : should be a wild ride. #letsgo
[2016-04-25 18:05:58] mrp1nk : #nofreerides
[2016-04-25 18:07:17] rapidtrades : was finex at 466 just few minutes ago? i just got here
[2016-04-25 18:08:43] BitMEX_Sam : Clef auth is up on Testnet, we're still working out some final kinks but we hope to have it live by the end of the week
[2016-04-25 18:08:56] BitMEX_Sam : Just for you rapidtrades, max session length of 1 month with the app
[2016-04-25 18:08:58] elmorte : I had a similar dream to that trader complaining on TS...Just as thought I put in the tip, she moved forward, so I scoot forward and just as I'm about to enter, she moves again...this went on for a while.
[2016-04-25 18:09:18] elmorte : Woke up frus'ed to the max...
[2016-04-25 18:09:20] MeanReverter : #freeridesforall
[2016-04-25 18:11:07] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: tnx
[2016-04-25 18:11:21] rapidtrades : what app tho
[2016-04-25 18:11:57] mrp1nk : BitMEX_Sam: big thx from my side too
[2016-04-25 18:14:12] BitMEX_Sam : Clef
[2016-04-25 18:14:17] BitMEX_Sam : https://getclef.com/
[2016-04-25 18:14:31] sleger : cool
[2016-04-25 18:14:32] BitMEX_Sam : BFX already uses it, maybe a few others I'm not aware of
[2016-04-25 18:15:05] BitMEX_Sam : sleger: Hearing you talk about how a Yubikey wouldn't work with the iPhone, GA is a pain, etc etc got me thinking, we really could use a better solution.
[2016-04-25 18:15:26] BitMEX_Sam : And it happens to fix the session length problem, and should help us with conversions. So, win:win:win
[2016-04-25 18:15:53] MeanReverter : you guys do this full time?
[2016-04-25 18:15:53] rapidtrades : wait a min...didn't u poo poo clef just months ago
[2016-04-25 18:16:13] sleger : if you want to thank me you can ask arthur to give me back half of all settlement fees paid since inception ;) (I only said half, because I am fair)
[2016-04-25 18:16:22] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: Yes, they've made some improvements on the the app & verification that I'm more comfortable with now
[2016-04-25 18:16:58] habibi : sleger save up 10% fees by registering again on reflink
[2016-04-25 18:17:06] habibi : it should work probally
[2016-04-25 18:17:53] sleger : only asking for "fair" fees
[2016-04-25 18:17:58] BitMEX_Sam : Technically according to the TOS that's a breach, habibi
[2016-04-25 18:18:14] BitMEX_Sam : sleger: I understand - I'm sure you're happy to hear that the new product will abolish settlement fees entirely
[2016-04-25 18:18:27] elmorte : Still need your mobile nearby for clef...
[2016-04-25 18:18:32] habibi : technically we need more disclosure on things we talked before ^^
[2016-04-25 18:18:39] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, it relies completely on some mobile device
[2016-04-25 18:18:43] BitMEX_Sam : It does have an offline mode, though.
[2016-04-25 18:18:44] sleger : still wont give back the ones paid so far
[2016-04-25 18:24:30] Samirum : What are you guys discussing the pumpas or the dumpa
[2016-04-25 18:24:45] MeanReverter : Hiring any software developers?
[2016-04-25 18:25:19] MeanReverter : I have 15+ years of experience in the fintech trading software space. Lots of hedge fund work.
[2016-04-25 18:25:26] elmorte : Settlement fee is still = maker + taker fee, right? Or did something change
[2016-04-25 18:28:01] Samirum : MeanReverter: I'm in
[2016-04-25 18:28:41] MeanReverter : Samirum: know that futures trading has substantial risk.
[2016-04-25 18:29:09] Samirum : MeanReverter: i know
[2016-04-25 18:29:35] rapidtrades : wtf...are u talking with urself on sockpuppets
[2016-04-25 18:31:50] elmorte : shh, don't interupt
[2016-04-25 18:32:05] elmorte : I'm trying to learn
[2016-04-25 18:35:10] BTCVIX : BitMEX_Sam: I think @habibi made a good point -- care to explain how the insurance fund was hovering between 1-2 btc until you choose to list the data and now it has grown to almost 40 btc ?
[2016-04-25 18:35:47] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, liquidity has improved significantly and our primary MM is quoting much more tightly
[2016-04-25 18:35:59] elmorte : Where's @jung1, my lucky charm?
[2016-04-25 18:36:01] BitMEX_Sam : In addition, the volatile periods where we had published DPE% depleted the fund
[2016-04-25 18:36:16] BitMEX_Sam : It has been a long time since we've seen that volatility, and today now that volatility has returned, we are better prepared for it
[2016-04-25 18:36:53] elmorte : LISK launch postponed for a month....I was planning to be a thousandaire by Labour Day
[2016-04-25 18:37:01] BTCVIX : BitMEX_Sam: so you system suddenly started not sucking once you posted the data on the website for all to see -- got it
[2016-04-25 18:37:34] elmorte : BTCVIX: This is all retrospective...what difference does it make now?
[2016-04-25 18:37:42] BTCVIX : well either way a bigger insurance fund is better
[2016-04-25 18:38:36] BTCVIX : elmorte: I was just asking for explaination of the jump in the insurance fund that happened pre and post listing it -- seems like a valid question to ask imo
[2016-04-25 18:40:40] sleger : seems like a valid answer was provided as well
[2016-04-25 18:40:59] elmorte : Fair enough, just seems like no answer will be satisfying
[2016-04-25 18:41:17] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: after u changed fees u were proud that spread was like 0.30 or sth on 24h, after that dpe happened few times
[2016-04-25 18:41:22] BTCVIX : elmorte: @sleger yeah I am fine with the answer
[2016-04-25 18:41:30] BTCVIX : thank you Sam for providing clarity
[2016-04-25 18:41:51] BTCVIX : appreciate the prompt response and articulation of what went on there
[2016-04-25 18:42:21] elmorte : The civility in here is troubling. rapid, quickly say something
[2016-04-25 18:43:14] BTCVIX : elmorte: this the first time I have asked the question so not sure how I can't be satisfied with an answer that I am hearing for the first time -- again appreciate the clarification Sam
[2016-04-25 18:43:51] elmorte : BitMEX_Sam: so you system suddenly started not sucking once you posted the data on the website for all to see -- got it
[2016-04-25 18:43:59] elmorte : eh...ok
[2016-04-25 18:44:07] BTCVIX : yeah -- that is more or less what he said
[2016-04-25 18:44:13] BTCVIX : it became more efficient
[2016-04-25 18:44:37] habibi : imagine what will happen if they will disclosure all information about liquidations
[2016-04-25 18:45:07] BTCVIX : I hope they do -- that was my intended effect from the beginning
[2016-04-25 18:45:58] elmorte : XBT24 gonna hit 10k volume at this pace
[2016-04-25 18:46:12] BitMEX_Sam : The growth of the fund had nothing to do with publishing the data, it just had to do with tighter spreads and a calmer market
[2016-04-25 18:46:59] BTCVIX : BitMEX_Sam: cool
[2016-04-25 18:48:00] BitMEX_Sam : We moved to the more aggressive maker/taker model at the end of November - the insurance fund was nearly depleted at that point which caused the DPEs just two weeks later, but there haven't been any since, thankfully.
[2016-04-25 18:48:00] j8 : don't worry, before long it'll get wiped out by some jerk's 200k position
[2016-04-25 18:48:39] BTCVIX : BitMEX_Sam: there have been system losses since they just haven't resulted in a clawback because the insurance fund has covered them
[2016-04-25 18:48:46] BitMEX_Sam : Right
[2016-04-25 18:49:08] BitMEX_Sam : Any day where you see the fund total go down, there was a total system loss but it was covered
[2016-04-25 18:50:12] BTCVIX : BitMEX_Sam: yeah I realized this -- but it isn't reflected in what contract it is coming from that is that system loss or where the loss order is -- you just report the settlement data as 0% but there was a loss on one of those contracts or a few but the debit from the insurance fund covered
[2016-04-25 18:50:25] BTCVIX : it is up to us to guess what contract the loss or losses came from
[2016-04-25 18:52:29] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah. That'll be broken out after we finish up our projects in flight.
[2016-04-25 18:52:44] BTCVIX : BitMEX_Sam: glad to hear this
[2016-04-25 18:53:38] BTCVIX : I bring this up because I was told that BitMEX provides the data and transparency a trader needs to make an informed trade -- this is data I require to make such said informed trade
[2016-04-25 18:54:22] BitMEX_Sam : Well, technically not, since you're US-based :)
[2016-04-25 18:54:31] BitMEX_Sam : But I understand what you're getting at.
[2016-04-25 18:54:52] BTCVIX : BitMEX_Sam: well I am not in the US currently but I understand your polices
[2016-04-25 18:56:23] BTCVIX : I am actually in the Seychelles right now -- down the gravel road from bitmex HQ
[2016-04-25 18:57:40] BitMEX_Sam : Mmhmm.
[2016-04-25 19:09:27] rapidtrades : never been there, whats it like @BTCVIX
[2016-04-25 19:10:02] BTCVIX : rapidtrades: the beaches are great -- haven't seen Arthur or Sam sipping on any tropical cocktails though
[2016-04-25 19:10:10] BTCVIX : they must be at the high roller resort
[2016-04-25 19:24:46] mrp1nk : hands up who is shorting this
[2016-04-25 19:26:16] nip : why would you short now lol'
[2016-04-25 19:26:25] MeanReverter : ALL in long
[2016-04-25 19:26:59] MeanReverter : Hey, what's the difference between the daily 100x and the daily roll 100x?
[2016-04-25 19:37:14] sleger : roll
[2016-04-25 19:45:25] MeanReverter : does that mean i can go long and not worry about changing contracts every day?
[2016-04-25 19:46:27] BitMEX_Sam : No, it is simply a means to roll risk over to the next day - it's a 48H contract, but after 24 hours it becomes the next 24H contract
[2016-04-25 19:48:53] mrp1nk : nip: yeah, that's why i'm asking
[2016-04-25 19:49:57] MeanReverter : oh. so if i want to be in a longer term contrat i need the June
[2016-04-25 19:51:11] dorothy490 : srslu
[2016-04-25 19:51:29] dorothy490 : fancy interface and stuff but still no aproximate liquidation price shown on opening?
[2016-04-25 20:02:06] BitMEX_Sam : dorothy490: We do show an estimated liquidation price.
[2016-04-25 20:02:18] BitMEX_Sam : It is shown in the confirmation dialog when placing an order.
[2016-04-25 20:05:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT48H`: Buy 1000 @ 469.53
[2016-04-25 20:07:31] dorothy490 : BitMEX_Sam: hm where is that? placing limit order and no conf for me
[2016-04-25 20:07:48] BitMEX_Sam : You probably disabled it. https://www.bitmex.com/app/preferences
[2016-04-25 20:07:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 10 @ 0.01609
[2016-04-25 20:07:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 2500 @ 0.01602
[2016-04-25 20:09:58] dorothy490 : I enabled it but cant see liq price anyways
[2016-04-25 20:10:33] BitMEX_Sam : It's there, if you submit an order.
[2016-04-25 20:10:39] BitMEX_Sam : We also show your indicative liquidation price at all times in the sidebar.
[2016-04-25 20:11:36] dorothy490 : just.. cant .. see it.. Im using cross margin
[2016-04-25 20:12:02] dorothy490 : Est. Liquidation Price Infinity
[2016-04-25 20:12:14] dorothy490 : would be nice indeed
[2016-04-25 20:12:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 350 @ 0.01593
[2016-04-25 20:13:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 2461 @ 0.01573
[2016-04-25 20:13:46] BitMEX_Sam : That may be accurate depending on the order you're placing
[2016-04-25 20:14:15] dorothy490 : i have balanec of 0.22 and planning to open 1700 shorts at 480 how it could be infinity
[2016-04-25 20:16:02] dorothy490 : seems like liq price just doenst shows up when using cross margin
[2016-04-25 20:17:16] habibi : dont u want to buy some eth?
[2016-04-25 20:17:19] habibi : :D
[2016-04-25 20:18:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 40 @ 0.01586
[2016-04-25 20:19:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 24 @ 0.01598
[2016-04-25 20:40:07] messiaen8844 : ltc fest
[2016-04-25 20:45:10] habibi : sep contracts doesnt need readjuste mark price?
[2016-04-25 20:46:47] mrp1nk : again 7d look cheap at this point to me
[2016-04-25 20:48:01] habibi : lol, just buy :)
[2016-04-25 20:51:16] arbitrage001 : what should sept mark price be?
[2016-04-25 20:53:16] j8 : it won't adjust until there's tighter liquidity
[2016-04-25 20:53:39] arbitrage001 : i think someone just trying to cause rekt
[2016-04-25 20:54:04] arbitrage001 : how does liqudation work? sell at bid?
[2016-04-25 20:54:05] j8 : nobody has yet, it's just the mm cutting out for a while
[2016-04-25 20:54:23] arbitrage001 : buy at ask?
[2016-04-25 20:54:26] j8 : arbitrage001: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking
[2016-04-25 20:55:02] j8 : oh do you mean the liquidation order itself
[2016-04-25 20:55:10] arbitrage001 : yes
[2016-04-25 20:55:44] j8 : it will be placed as a limit order and moved up if it doesn't fill
[2016-04-25 20:56:31] arbitrage001 : what happen if the spread is wide ? like sept contract
[2016-04-25 20:57:11] arbitrage001 : nm, mm is back for sept
[2016-04-25 20:57:14] j8 : it would sit there and might get moved up as much as possible
[2016-04-25 20:57:26] j8 : using up insurance fund to do so
[2016-04-25 21:02:38] rapidtrades : is there dpe?
[2016-04-25 21:03:04] habibi : nope
[2016-04-25 21:03:09] habibi : no liquidations even
[2016-04-25 21:03:35] rapidtrades : woah eth 0.015
[2016-04-25 21:03:51] habibi : yep, shorting dreams is good
[2016-04-25 21:04:12] rapidtrades : and btc up too
[2016-04-25 21:04:27] rapidtrades : so ur making money while making money
[2016-04-25 21:04:32] arbitrage001 : lead by finex
[2016-04-25 21:04:48] arbitrage001 : maybe they are short usd like mtgox did
[2016-04-25 21:05:15] rapidtrades : gap too small to worry just yet
[2016-04-25 21:05:17] arbitrage001 : and savy traders detect this and run for exit before anyone else
[2016-04-25 21:06:16] rapidtrades : are there withdrawal problems?
[2016-04-25 21:06:25] arbitrage001 : not for btc
[2016-04-25 21:06:32] arbitrage001 : not sure about usd
[2016-04-25 21:06:41] habibi : no problems on finex, dont make panic
[2016-04-25 21:06:50] rapidtrades : well then what are u talking about
[2016-04-25 21:07:08] rapidtrades : gox had a year long backlog for withdrawing
[2016-04-25 21:07:24] arbitrage001 : first time i see finex leading the rally in 2 years
[2016-04-25 21:10:12] rapidtrades : too soon to pullout
[2016-04-25 21:10:52] rapidtrades : its only 2 above china
[2016-04-25 21:12:10] arbitrage001 : 12 usd above btce
[2016-04-25 21:12:32] rapidtrades : btce is lower then everyone
[2016-04-25 21:12:32] arbitrage001 : 11
[2016-04-25 21:12:48] arbitrage001 : yes, but never seen gap this big for btcs
[2016-04-25 21:12:52] arbitrage001 : bte
[2016-04-25 21:13:06] rapidtrades : it was 50 in november
[2016-04-25 21:13:19] arbitrage001 : is it?
[2016-04-25 21:13:34] arbitrage001 : some traders must be making a fortune then
[2016-04-25 21:13:43] rapidtrades : yea look at charts
[2016-04-25 21:14:16] arbitrage001 : premium is very high now on bitmex
[2016-04-25 21:14:38] arbitrage001 : are you taking advantage of this rally?
[2016-04-25 21:14:38] rapidtrades : there is 0 premium
[2016-04-25 21:14:48] arbitrage001 : september i mean
[2016-04-25 21:14:52] arbitrage001 : even June
[2016-04-25 21:15:07] rapidtrades : not doing anything until we test 500
[2016-04-25 21:15:18] arbitrage001 : i see
[2016-04-25 21:15:28] arbitrage001 : i am waiting for my btc from polo
[2016-04-25 21:15:32] arbitrage001 : been 5 hours
[2016-04-25 21:15:39] rapidtrades : again?
[2016-04-25 21:15:40] arbitrage001 : make me even more worry than finex lol
[2016-04-25 21:15:57] rapidtrades : werent u waiting yday too
[2016-04-25 21:16:02] arbitrage001 : yes
[2016-04-25 21:16:09] arbitrage001 : took them longer than 5 hours
[2016-04-25 21:16:17] arbitrage001 : yesterday
[2016-04-25 21:19:44] habibi : arbitrage001: but tx was sent, just no confirmation right?
[2016-04-25 21:19:59] arbitrage001 : habibi: no
[2016-04-25 21:20:04] habibi : oh, thats interesing
[2016-04-25 21:20:11] arbitrage001 : habibi: awaiting approval
[2016-04-25 21:20:44] habibi : under 10-20 btc or bigger one?
[2016-04-25 21:20:46] arbitrage001 : habibi: odd of polo blow up is higher than finex
[2016-04-25 21:20:56] arbitrage001 : given eth crashed
[2016-04-25 21:21:23] arbitrage001 : habibi: multiple withdrawal from 5 to 13 btc
[2016-04-25 21:22:02] habibi : contact support and let me know what they saying :D
[2016-04-25 21:22:22] arbitrage001 : from yesterday withdraw
[2016-04-25 21:22:31] arbitrage001 : support said withdrawal normally takes a few mins
[2016-04-25 21:22:37] arbitrage001 : but i waiting hours
[2016-04-25 21:22:41] arbitrage001 : waited
[2016-04-25 21:22:46] arbitrage001 : same today
[2016-04-25 21:23:01] habibi : u can write it in one line as well :) just contact them on chat
[2016-04-25 21:23:08] arbitrage001 : i see
[2016-04-25 21:23:11] arbitrage001 : let me check
[2016-04-25 21:25:15] arbitrage001 : nm, 3 out of my 5 withdrawal finally processed
[2016-04-25 21:25:23] arbitrage001 : after 5 hours
[2016-04-25 21:27:36] habibi : ah bad:( i though i would make a big short in case polo got goxxed
[2016-04-25 21:28:19] arbitrage001 : habibi: how you shot polo?
[2016-04-25 21:28:23] arbitrage001 : short
[2016-04-25 21:28:53] habibi : i would go to sleger and ask him to make instrument for me to short polo, just like in The Big Short :D
[2016-04-25 21:29:08] arbitrage001 : habibi: the way polo offers margin, it is just a matter of time before it blows up
[2016-04-25 21:29:31] arbitrage001 : habibi: not total blow up, but a big hair cut
[2016-04-25 21:30:26] arbitrage001 : similar to dpe here for lenders
[2016-04-25 21:33:24] habibi : arbitrage001: yea i know, now its nice time for alts to make some huge unfilled property liquidations :)
[2016-04-25 21:38:56] zanza : lol 15 ETH pathetic
[2016-04-25 21:41:43] rapidtrades : its up to 16 now sadly
[2016-04-25 21:42:43] rapidtrades : well th mark is :)
[2016-04-25 21:53:19] rapidtrades : finex still fomoing
[2016-04-25 21:55:04] jung1 : $500 till end of week
[2016-04-25 21:58:02] rapidtrades : rates are spiking...up to 0.075 finex 0.09 okc
[2016-04-25 21:58:37] Samirum : rapidtrades: what rate?
[2016-04-25 21:58:51] rapidtrades : borrow rates for usd
[2016-04-25 21:59:08] Samirum : Ltc/btc or eth
[2016-04-25 21:59:20] Samirum : rapidtrades: ok
[2016-04-25 21:59:26] jung1 : ltc is still alive?
[2016-04-25 21:59:47] rapidtrades : 3.87 for ltc
[2016-04-25 22:00:27] rapidtrades : outperforming bitcoin for now
[2016-04-25 22:04:12] rapidtrades : sleger was short, not sure if he still is
[2016-04-25 22:10:40] rapidtrades : although if he shorted against btc it wouldn't be as bad
[2016-04-25 22:16:54] sleger : rapidtrades: i was never short
[2016-04-25 22:17:17] sleger : i said i took my profits at 458 before it dipped back down below 450 then i did not say anything else
[2016-04-25 22:18:03] sleger : oh you meant ltc, my bad. Yes its a short ltc/btc
[2016-04-25 22:18:37] sleger : i just added some more actually
[2016-04-25 22:20:30] rapidtrades : if u loved eth at 0.04, u'll love it at 0.015
[2016-04-25 22:20:43] rapidtrades : one of those was suppose to be like
[2016-04-25 22:20:57] rapidtrades : if u liked eth at 0.04, u'll love it at 0.015
[2016-04-25 22:21:09] sleger : ltc fans are even dumber then eth/factom fans
[2016-04-25 22:21:36] habibi : sleger where u shorting? okc fut?
[2016-04-25 22:22:03] sleger : few places
[2016-04-25 22:22:04] rapidtrades : well no, that would be against u
[2016-04-25 22:22:16] rapidtrades : usd...laggy chat
[2016-04-25 22:22:30] habibi : and there are no eth fans anymore
[2016-04-25 22:22:33] rapidtrades : whats with okc.cn? are they introducing new futures overthere
[2016-04-25 22:22:37] habibi : now they're called bagholders
[2016-04-25 22:25:43] rapidtrades : sleger: do u ever plan to join the rally?
[2016-04-25 22:25:51] sleger : i am long
[2016-04-25 22:26:06] sleger : small (~80btc)
[2016-04-25 22:26:35] rapidtrades : lol...ur small is bigger then my long
[2016-04-25 22:26:55] sleger : everything's bigger ;)
[2016-04-25 22:27:10] rapidtrades : just ur ego fella
[2016-04-25 22:27:13] BitMEX_Sam : :o
[2016-04-25 22:29:45] rapidtrades : once this resistance breaks we're off to the races
[2016-04-25 22:31:28] rapidtrades : coinbase 472 lol
[2016-04-25 22:31:36] rapidtrades : 'Murica
[2016-04-25 22:33:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 50 @ 468.65
[2016-04-25 22:34:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 110 @ 466.18
[2016-04-25 22:35:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 905 @ 469.32
[2016-04-25 22:38:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT48H`: Sell 240 @ 466.91
[2016-04-25 22:38:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT48H`: Sell 1000 @ 466.28
[2016-04-25 22:38:12] REKT : HODL HODL HODL!
[2016-04-25 22:50:16] messiaen8844 : any chance of an ETHUSD contract (in BTC) ?
[2016-04-25 22:51:22] BitMEX_Sam : messiaen8844: Would be unlikely, we don't want to split liquidity.
[2016-04-25 23:51:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 3150 @ 468.01
[2016-04-25 23:52:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 3775 @ 467.19
[2016-04-25 23:53:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1000 @ 465.10
[2016-04-25 23:53:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1200 @ 465.10
[2016-04-25 23:54:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT48H`: Sell 18000 @ 465.67 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-04-25 23:54:01] REKT : Abandon the ship!
[2016-04-25 23:56:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 432 @ 464.19
[2016-04-25 23:58:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 11000 @ 463.11
[2016-04-25 23:58:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 800 @ 463.14
[2016-04-25 23:58:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 4200 @ 462.64
[2016-04-26 00:28:14] rapidtrades : allegedly steam added bitcoin
[2016-04-26 00:34:37] habibi : yea, tried to find btc option but couldnt
[2016-04-26 00:34:57] rapidtrades : yeah there are some bugs right now
[2016-04-26 00:35:26] rapidtrades : we could prolly make US account now...games are cheaper there
[2016-04-26 00:35:59] rapidtrades : i just dunno what i would buy...no good strategy games lately
[2016-04-26 00:36:52] habibi : new master of orion is there but didnt look into
[2016-04-26 00:41:22] rapidtrades : i think ive seen some gameplay from it
[2016-04-26 00:42:13] rapidtrades : ah, don't like it
[2016-04-26 00:42:13] habibi : if u like rts, supreme commander forged aliance is the best one for Pvp online playing
[2016-04-26 00:42:47] habibi : with community net client forged aliance forver
[2016-04-26 00:42:49] habibi : forever*
[2016-04-26 00:46:08] rapidtrades : ill check it out when i upgrade
[2016-04-26 00:56:03] sleger : yeah it doesnt run on 386 i guess
[2016-04-26 01:16:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 2 @ 0.01597 :punch: :whale:
[2016-04-26 03:30:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1111 @ 464.50
[2016-04-26 03:31:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1 @ 464.37 :punch: :whale:
[2016-04-26 03:33:59] arbitrage001 : once p2p swap is added, btc future contract will go away?
[2016-04-26 03:36:44] BitMEX_Arthur : Yes that is the goal. But the swap will behave almost like the futures contract. It will still have high leverage, but it won't expire
[2016-04-26 03:46:04] arbitrage001 : BitMEX_Arthur: ok thank you
[2016-04-26 03:46:18] BTCVIX : BitMEX_Arthur: I feel like you could probably come up a better name that doesn't immediately raise confusion
[2016-04-26 03:50:56] BitMEX_Arthur : You won't see the word swap on the trading front end. It will just be called by the currency code e.g. ETHXBT
[2016-04-26 03:52:10] BTCVIX : seeing that you are overhauling probably time to just get rid of the non-used XBT and go to what we all use in BTC
[2016-04-26 03:52:35] BTCVIX : I mean does ETH have an official designator of ETH ?
[2016-04-26 03:53:08] BitMEX_Wally : We use XBT as the margin currency and that's why we use the official ISO 4217 currency code XBT
[2016-04-26 03:54:16] BitMEX_Wally : BTC vs XBT is like RMB vs CNY
[2016-04-26 03:54:24] BTCVIX : BitMEX_Wally: well I am just saying it isn't getting much traction globally -- after all we have GBTC -- it isn't GXBT -- kind think if Siebert thought it was a good idea he would have went with the currency code designator