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<< >> English 中文 Русский 한국어 日本語 Español Français [2016-03-14 15:39:35] BitMEX_Arthur : You don't need Ether [2016-03-14 15:39:45] BitMEX_Wally : KingJohal: https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/ETH7D [2016-03-14 15:41:53] KingJohal : BitMEX_Wally: so if i want to go long what type of order do I select [2016-03-14 15:42:14] KingJohal : Market? [2016-03-14 15:43:51] BitMEX_Wally : A market order will execute a whatever price is available in the order book [2016-03-14 15:44:02] BitMEX_Wally : If you want to go long more than 500 contracts then use a limit order [2016-03-14 15:44:38] KingJohal : Where does it show payout [2016-03-14 15:44:43] KingJohal : Order value? [2016-03-14 15:45:34] BitMEX_Wally : If you buy 1 ETH7D at 0.03 and then sell it at 0.04 you make 0.01 Bitcoin [2016-03-14 15:46:07] BitMEX_Wally : If you hold it until settlement all positions are closed at the settlement price [2016-03-14 15:46:20] KingJohal : So what does limit price mean exactly? [2016-03-14 15:46:26] KingJohal : The price i think it will hit [2016-03-14 15:46:39] KingJohal : So i get paid [2016-03-14 15:46:50] BitMEX_Wally : No, it means the limit on the price you want to buy at [2016-03-14 15:46:54] BitMEX_Wally : To enter your position [2016-03-14 15:54:21] rapidtrades : i f*Cking hate the Euro man [2016-03-14 15:54:27] rapidtrades : JUST MOVE U SHIT... [2016-03-14 15:55:15] rapidtrades : sitting here for hours, PnL moving up and down.....srsly get f*cked [2016-03-14 15:55:55] chromaticcr1 : Mario need your overnight fee to support eurozone' economy [2016-03-14 15:58:19] rapidtrades : this sack of shit man....they're just spiking it up and down like morons [2016-03-14 15:58:35] rapidtrades : guess its banks filling orders on the back of retailers or smth [2016-03-14 15:59:28] sleger : stop making stuff up lol [2016-03-14 16:01:02] rapidtrades : well then just idiots trading in a 30 pips range whatever [2016-03-14 16:02:13] rapidtrades : this is like watching 5 yrs olds trade [2016-03-14 16:02:56] messiaen8844 : its called triangles rapid... [2016-03-14 16:03:26] sleger : messiaen8844: what is called "triangles" ? [2016-03-14 16:04:03] messiaen8844 : those spikes up and down ... probably triangles [2016-03-14 16:04:31] sleger : no idea what you're saying [2016-03-14 16:05:14] rapidtrades : he has a hardon fr triangles [2016-03-14 16:05:17] rapidtrades : for* [2016-03-14 16:05:38] messiaen8844 : read part of the conversating, maybe wrong context... thought he was saying price up and down (lower higs, higher lows) [2016-03-14 16:06:02] sleger : he was saying its in a range that's all [2016-03-14 16:06:10] sleger : a "30 pips" range [2016-03-14 16:07:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 77 @ 0.03228 [2016-03-14 16:09:30] kingscrown : the big short https://twitter.com/kingscrownBTC/status/709408460652335105 [2016-03-14 16:29:52] tscha : eth7d 4x the volume of xbt24H [2016-03-14 16:30:34] tscha : actually much more [2016-03-14 16:45:12] rapidtrades : oh look 1.1100...let's buy [2016-03-14 16:45:21] rapidtrades : who the f*ck trades like this [2016-03-14 16:45:34] rapidtrades : the first 5-6-7 times i understand [2016-03-14 16:45:45] rapidtrades : but all f day...same trade over and over? [2016-03-14 16:46:17] rapidtrades : looks like a 5 yrs old got into this parents trading account [2016-03-14 16:47:25] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: If you don't mind, please keep the chat on topic - we don't do forex here [2016-03-14 16:48:44] rapidtrades : fair enough [2016-03-14 16:49:18] rapidtrades : I'll post to brag if my TP is hit tho [2016-03-14 16:49:31] drwoo : Why do you hate americans? i forgot to turn my VPN on when I said I was from mexico now I need to remake my account. :( [2016-03-14 16:49:59] drwoo : that was a joke I know you dont hate americans [2016-03-14 16:50:52] drwoo : I was hoping to donate money to the ETH/XBT market maker [2016-03-14 16:57:07] BitMEX_Sam : drwoo: All accounts from the USA (and any accounts associated with them) must have deposits disabled due to the regulatory atmosphere in the USA [2016-03-14 16:57:39] BitMEX_Sam : If you are actually in the US, you may not trade. [2016-03-14 17:02:14] KingJohal : BitMEX_Sam: if I am going long on something lets say placing a limit order. How does this work? I set the limit at what price i want to pay per contract? How do i make money? If im going long how much does the contract have to increase in value? And how much does it have to decrease for me to lose [2016-03-14 17:02:39] BitMEX_Sam : KingJohal: I would suggest doing an introductory trading lesson before you start here [2016-03-14 17:02:55] KingJohal : BitMEX_Sam: where is that [2016-03-14 17:02:55] BitMEX_Sam : I usually point new traders to http://www.babypips.com/ [2016-03-14 17:03:08] KingJohal : BitMEX_Sam: isnt that forex [2016-03-14 17:03:08] BitMEX_Sam : The "School" section has some great introductory articles [2016-03-14 17:03:19] BitMEX_Sam : Yes but most of the concepts translate [2016-03-14 17:03:26] BitMEX_Sam : Especially the ones you're asking about [2016-03-14 17:03:43] rapidtrades : oh i see....only u can post about forex [2016-03-14 17:03:51] KingJohal : BitMEX_Sam: shit. Ok ill do that.. [2016-03-14 17:04:02] KingJohal : BitMEX_Sam: so is order value my payout [2016-03-14 17:04:13] BitMEX_Sam : Order value is the actual value of the order you're placing, without leverage [2016-03-14 17:04:33] BitMEX_Sam : That is, the value of the contracts you'd hold if the order filled [2016-03-14 17:04:35] KingJohal : BitMEX_Sam: and my profit would be the cost - order value [2016-03-14 17:04:41] KingJohal : If filled [2016-03-14 17:04:42] BitMEX_Sam : No [2016-03-14 17:04:48] BitMEX_Sam : Cost is how much margin it costs to open that order [2016-03-14 17:05:01] BitMEX_Sam : Your profit/loss is the delta between your opening and closing price [2016-03-14 17:05:06] BitMEX_Sam : multiplied by the value of the position [2016-03-14 17:05:42] KingJohal : Lets say i place a long limit order on eth. I get 1000 contracts. [2016-03-14 17:06:00] rapidtrades : don't [2016-03-14 17:06:07] BitMEX_Sam : You should really run through that site [2016-03-14 17:06:09] BitMEX_Sam : All will be made clear [2016-03-14 17:06:21] KingJohal : BitMEX_Sam: okay i will [2016-03-14 17:06:36] rapidtrades : KingJohal: just use 1 contart to test the orders out, yo [2016-03-14 17:07:02] rapidtrades : open interest on ETH is only 8,000 right now [2016-03-14 17:07:58] KingJohal : rapidtrades: im new with all this [2016-03-14 17:08:31] KingJohal : rapidtrades: just trying to figure out how futures work n how shorting works [2016-03-14 17:09:05] KingJohal : rapidtrades: very confused and this babypips site does not talk about futures at least i cant see [2016-03-14 17:17:09] j8 : KingJohal: the ETH futures here are pretty simple because 1 contract is worth 1 ETH. so, your profit or loss is the same as if you were trading ETH. [2016-03-14 17:18:25] j8 : (the other futures are a bit different so you should read the contract details.) [2016-03-14 17:20:00] drwoo : but I live in the land of the free!!! [2016-03-14 17:24:50] splash : KingJohal: if ur at the level where ur reading babypips, i got some good avice: start trading _with_ money, but trade with very _little_ money. always remember the worst enemy is yourself. [2016-03-14 17:25:14] splash : you will think that it is the market that is the enemy, but the market is like the sea. you cant blame it for drowning [2016-03-14 17:25:24] splash : that said, trading is fun great and super nice [2016-03-14 17:31:53] j8 : custom widgets.. amazing [2016-03-14 17:32:34] BitMEX_Sam : Long, long time coming [2016-03-14 17:32:39] BitMEX_Sam : Very happy we finally hit launch [2016-03-14 17:34:20] BitMEX_Sam : We also now automatically layer the underlying index on the chart [2016-03-14 17:34:40] BitMEX_Sam : So you can see the futures price relative to the underlying price (e.g. .ETHXBT on Polo) over time [2016-03-14 17:35:03] j8 : cool is it the indicativeSettlePrice? [2016-03-14 17:35:31] j8 : or always the index [2016-03-14 17:36:49] BitMEX_Sam : It's the index [2016-03-14 17:42:54] Teddy76 : great job Sam, very usefull :D [2016-03-14 17:43:16] BitMEX_Wally : The indicativeSettlePrice is the same as the index price except during the TWAP calculation period before expiry [2016-03-14 17:44:23] habibi : competition for the best custom ui started! winner will be the one who will be able to move order placement tab to mid site :) [2016-03-14 17:44:57] habibi : anyway nice job BitMEX_guys with that :) [2016-03-14 17:47:50] rapidtrades : finally, tp hit [2016-03-14 17:48:00] rapidtrades : the hardest 50 pips in ages man...torture [2016-03-14 17:48:51] habibi : rapidtrades: what u think http://scr.hu/9xvi/vqetp ? [2016-03-14 17:49:22] rapidtrades : dude...why can't u use normal sites like img or smth [2016-03-14 17:50:19] habibi : its legit man, wouldnt try so many times to scam people here without getting banned [2016-03-14 17:54:55] rapidtrades : i'm not doubting you, I'm doubting the shady site [2016-03-14 18:22:58] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: "the only customizable trading dashboard on any crypto exchange" - very nice, thanks! [2016-03-14 18:23:10] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: Enjoy :) [2016-03-14 18:23:35] cryptokeeper : nice changes guys [2016-03-14 18:23:38] cryptokeeper : keep it up! [2016-03-14 18:24:19] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: how do I remove the chart now so it doesn't load? [2016-03-14 18:24:53] BitMEX_Sam : Ah yes - I will push another update specifically for the chart, since it is so heavy [2016-03-14 18:25:14] tscha : really nice change, that's exactly what was needed @BitMEX_Sam [2016-03-14 18:25:24] tscha : But now everything is a little bit blurry [2016-03-14 18:27:15] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: could you please fix this small bug: Buys/Sells summary shows prices with only 2 decimals on the Orders tab for ETH and FCT [2016-03-14 18:27:38] tscha : @blur issue: http://i.imgur.com/r0qDcLX.png [2016-03-14 18:27:57] micmix : I mean average Buys/Sells price, first two rows [2016-03-14 18:29:25] micmix : tscha: chrome on Windows? [2016-03-14 18:29:30] tscha : yes [2016-03-14 18:30:20] BitMEX_Sam : Hmm, I think I have an idea why that would be [2016-03-14 18:30:30] micmix : yeah, chrome uses custom text rendering, doesn't work so well on high DPI [2016-03-14 18:30:52] BitMEX_Sam : tscha: Retina / 2x display or unscaled? [2016-03-14 18:31:16] tscha : 1920x1200, but was sharp before the change [2016-03-14 18:31:39] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, the issue is that we use CSS transforms to move the elements, it's much faster than simple positioning [2016-03-14 18:31:46] BitMEX_Sam : But I've seen issues where that causes odd font rendering [2016-03-14 18:32:05] BitMEX_Sam : Just to confirm, Basic UI renders sharp? [2016-03-14 18:32:49] tscha : yes. sidebar for example is sharper than einstein [2016-03-14 18:33:12] BitMEX_Sam : Ok [2016-03-14 18:33:17] BitMEX_Sam : Let me load up a VM and see what I can do to fix this [2016-03-14 18:33:34] BitMEX_Sam : tscha: Is the text on https://strml.github.io/react-grid-layout/examples/0-showcase.html blurry? [2016-03-14 18:35:03] tscha : hmm... no, but hard to say since the text is so huge [2016-03-14 18:35:44] tscha : but no [2016-03-14 18:35:54] tscha : only while dragging, when I stop dragging they are sharp [2016-03-14 18:37:17] tscha : to be more clear, the boxes you linked are only blurry while *rearranging*... bitmex ui however is always blurry [2016-03-14 18:39:49] BitMEX_Sam : Ok. Thanks [2016-03-14 18:49:02] peasant-wizard : Wooooow the new UI flexibility is incredible [2016-03-14 18:49:04] peasant-wizard : wow wow wow [2016-03-14 18:49:40] peasant-wizard : Glad I checked the Crypto Trader Digest I wouldn't have noticed [2016-03-14 18:52:19] peasant-wizard : Unfortunately I'm still terrible at trading [2016-03-14 18:56:03] BitMEX_Sam : tscha: Are you comfortable with editing CSS? [2016-03-14 18:56:16] BitMEX_Sam : I'm getting a VM up but not sure I'll be able to replicate the issue on this screen [2016-03-14 18:56:26] tscha : BitMEX_Sam: as comfortable as rapidtrades with coding bots [2016-03-14 18:56:32] tscha : sorry [2016-03-14 18:56:36] BitMEX_Sam : No worries [2016-03-14 18:58:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 70 @ 0.03481 [2016-03-14 18:58:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 291 @ 0.03481 [2016-03-14 18:59:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 5349 @ 0.03530 [2016-03-14 19:02:27] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 1097 @ 0.03606 [2016-03-14 19:02:27] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 5 @ 0.03609 [2016-03-14 19:06:36] BitMEX_Sam : tscha: Could you do me a favor and take a look at testnet, see if it is blurry under the advanced ui for you? [2016-03-14 19:06:40] BitMEX_Sam : https://testnet.bitmex.com/app/trade/XBT24H [2016-03-14 19:07:39] tscha : BitMEX_Sam: yes it is [2016-03-14 19:07:59] BitMEX_Sam : Still blurry, you mean? [2016-03-14 19:08:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 145 @ 0.03538 [2016-03-14 19:09:35] tscha : BitMEX_Sam: yes, exactly same as here [2016-03-14 19:09:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 160 @ 0.03274 [2016-03-14 19:10:05] BitMEX_Sam : Ok. Thanks [2016-03-14 19:11:04] S410520 : REKT [2016-03-14 19:18:30] splash : BitMEX_Sam: ur doing incredible work on the GUI [2016-03-14 19:18:39] splash : its lightyears ahead of anything else ive seen [2016-03-14 19:19:16] cryptokeeper : Sam are you there? [2016-03-14 19:19:48] cryptokeeper : made a deposit. Got the email saying you got the depost. Balance is at 0. No transaction history either. [2016-03-14 19:20:00] cryptokeeper : in "loading" state. [2016-03-14 19:21:52] splash : BitMEX_Sam: hmm, i would like my "Active Orders" tab on the same panel as I got my "Positions" [2016-03-14 19:22:03] splash : drag-n-drop tabs to panels? [2016-03-14 19:22:28] splash : i.e. panels are mere containers and the tabs are the components you decorate the panels with [2016-03-14 19:23:23] splash : that way you could even create a panel with position on one tab and the next tab would have the chart. [2016-03-14 19:23:54] cryptokeeper : lol... it just came in. thx [2016-03-14 19:24:04] BitMEX_Sam : splash: That's quite a bit more advanced, but yes, would be nice to do [2016-03-14 19:24:35] BitMEX_Sam : cryptokeeper: Glad to hear it, sometimes confirmation can take a bit to propagate [2016-03-14 19:25:58] cryptokeeper : right... i was just getting concerned because deposit history was stuck in "loading" all good now thx [2016-03-14 19:27:57] BitMEX_Sam : S410520: I've added estimated liquidation price to the order confirmation dialog [2016-03-14 19:28:10] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: Fix for the precision issue on the summary is landing soon [2016-03-14 19:28:30] S410520 : BitMEX_Sam: wow! amazing [2016-03-14 19:28:45] S410520 : didnt expect anything this fast [2016-03-14 19:29:14] BitMEX_Sam : We had an old ticket open for it, and some other enhancements - figured since you asked I'd spend a bit of time & toss it in [2016-03-14 19:30:27] S410520 : very nice surprise :D [2016-03-14 19:32:06] BitMEX_Sam : :+1: [2016-03-14 19:37:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 15 @ 0.03325 [2016-03-14 19:37:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 1 @ 0.03228 :punch: :whale: [2016-03-14 19:37:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 35 @ 0.03264 [2016-03-14 19:38:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 5 @ 0.03230 [2016-03-14 19:42:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 5 @ 0.03227 [2016-03-14 19:42:59] MasterChang : da fuck is with the ROI percentage [2016-03-14 19:43:19] MasterChang : all over the place [2016-03-14 19:43:24] MasterChang : so sloppy [2016-03-14 19:43:41] habibi : everything is ok, just remember ur pln is not ur profit when u market clsoe or whatever. price moves a lot [2016-03-14 19:44:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 30 @ 0.03262 [2016-03-14 19:44:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 100 @ 0.03267 [2016-03-14 19:46:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCT7D`: Sell 1 @ 0.00507 :punch: :whale: [2016-03-14 19:49:31] BitMEX_Sam : ROE moves as the mark price moves [2016-03-14 19:49:38] BitMEX_Sam : ETH is moving very fast right now. [2016-03-14 19:50:06] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: u really want to make it tradeable on 50x :p? [2016-03-14 19:50:24] BitMEX_Sam : habibi: We don't have any plans to actually launch that, but it is ready if volatility calms [2016-03-14 19:50:39] habibi : ah thats fair point then :) [2016-03-14 19:50:52] BitMEX_Sam : Personally I think 50x is less of an issue than splitting liquidity would be [2016-03-14 19:51:27] habibi : ah but we have so many even 1 minute 2% candles on polo [2016-03-14 19:51:36] habibi : aka insta rekt [2016-03-14 19:53:25] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah. Leverage is a tool, not a requirement :) [2016-03-14 19:53:55] habibi : i mean all in all these liquidations could provide some additional liquidity so not that bad at the end [2016-03-14 19:54:00] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: thanks for the precision fix, man you are fast :-) [2016-03-14 19:55:02] MasterChang : so if im shorting 10 ETH contracts at 10... how much am i spending? [2016-03-14 19:55:10] sleger : micmix: hey have you tried fix ? [2016-03-14 19:55:23] micmix : habibi: ETH is crazy today, my test bot made 0.3 BTC trading 5 contracts [2016-03-14 19:55:40] habibi : micmix: :D nice catching edges! [2016-03-14 19:55:52] micmix : hey sleger! no, not yet, what about you? [2016-03-14 19:56:06] sleger : micmix: still not working as of yesterday for me on futures [2016-03-14 19:56:20] micmix : even just market data? [2016-03-14 19:56:26] sleger : nothing works [2016-03-14 19:56:32] BitMEX_Sam : MasterChang: ETH contracts are equal to 1 ETH per cont [2016-03-14 19:56:44] BitMEX_Sam : Simply divide by the leverage you're using to get the margin required [2016-03-14 19:56:52] BitMEX_Sam : Those numbers are also shown below the controls [2016-03-14 19:57:06] micmix : that's crazy, you would expect it to be easy since they have solid FIX on spot [2016-03-14 19:57:23] BitMEX_Sam : OKC? [2016-03-14 19:57:26] micmix : yeah [2016-03-14 19:58:56] sleger : micmix: i was surprised too... the support told me it s new and not ready yet but the doc is on their website [2016-03-14 19:59:18] sleger : and they committed some code sample 18 days ago [2016-03-14 19:59:23] micmix : yeah, doesn't even say beta on the docs [2016-03-14 20:00:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 2 @ 0.03304 :punch: :whale: [2016-03-14 20:00:45] splash : eth looks like its on meth. [2016-03-14 20:00:53] micmix : BTW, did you notice increased competition for liquidity on 24h? [2016-03-14 20:01:10] sleger : micmix: since ? [2016-03-14 20:01:20] micmix : since couple days ago I think [2016-03-14 20:01:34] habibi : micmix: sleger these days ur bots are trading with eachother [2016-03-14 20:01:49] sleger : micmix: i have done very little volume on 24h over past few weeks to be honest [2016-03-14 20:01:58] splash : actually if one ever traded FX one would recognize the pattern on eth. [2016-03-14 20:02:10] sleger : i think there are too many bots trying and maybe not even making money but making it harder to make $ [2016-03-14 20:02:29] sleger : and fees for taking are a bit high [2016-03-14 20:03:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 5 @ 0.03373 [2016-03-14 20:03:10] splash : im still convinced eth is going to 0.06 faaast and also i still think its a good idea to not buy it on margin. so far that analysis have been spot on [2016-03-14 20:03:25] MasterChang : ok so, what if i make one short @5x and one @25x ... what then.. why are they both grouped together? [2016-03-14 20:03:51] micmix : yeah, that's what I think too. drop in trading volume plus more competition [2016-03-14 20:04:28] micmix : maybe we have a new player [2016-03-14 20:08:18] micmix : habibi is right, too many bots for the small number of traders and trading volume [2016-03-14 20:10:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 44 @ 0.03344 [2016-03-14 20:10:28] BitMEX_Sam : MasterChang: We do not distinguish between individual orders, you simply add or remove from a single position [2016-03-14 20:10:50] BitMEX_Sam : This is how positions work on every financial platform outside of a few Bitcoin exchanges [2016-03-14 20:12:10] tscha : I dont think there are new players, it's just the insanely low trading volume. Look at 24H volume, 500 coins, hasn't been that low since october except once [2016-03-14 20:12:14] MasterChang : so if i make a 5x short.. then its 100% up. then i do a 25x short. then close.. what then [2016-03-14 20:13:29] MasterChang : which one does it close on? if its a single position? [2016-03-14 20:18:31] MasterChang : oh i see its 25x no matter what ? [2016-03-14 20:19:33] BitMEX_Sam : MasterChang: When you switch leverage, you're switching it on the position [2016-03-14 20:19:50] BitMEX_Sam : All that switching leverage does is change how much Bitcoin backs a position [2016-03-14 20:20:06] MasterChang : oh ok so its still 25x [2016-03-14 20:25:44] jung1 : nice features bitmex1 [2016-03-14 20:26:14] jung1 : protip: go long on bitshares, factom and maid. ora just buy some and hold ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) [2016-03-14 20:27:58] sleger : jung1: please dont talk about bitshares and maid we dont trade that shit here [2016-03-14 20:28:44] jung1 : you act like you are mad because poloniex deny your application for trollbox mod [2016-03-14 20:29:06] jung1 : Im on altcoin trollbox and I will talk about altcoins [2016-03-14 20:29:10] jung1 : if you like it or not [2016-03-14 20:29:36] MasterChang : damn jung1 [2016-03-14 20:29:40] MasterChang : back at it again with the sasss [2016-03-14 20:29:54] sleger : jung1: admin just stopped someone who was talking about something not traded here [2016-03-14 20:30:10] sleger : so same applies to you, "if you like it or not" [2016-03-14 20:31:16] jung1 : before adding factom we wera talk here about factom [2016-03-14 20:31:33] sleger : sorry im not a mod i cant explain you when the rule changed [2016-03-14 20:31:39] jung1 : before ethereum we were talk here about ethereum [2016-03-14 20:31:51] sleger : but for now you can talk about eth and fct if you want [2016-03-14 20:32:30] jung1 : thanks for permission [2016-03-14 20:33:10] sleger : i hope you are on leverage on those altcoins ? [2016-03-14 20:34:36] jung1 : I was [2016-03-14 20:34:48] jung1 : now Im bagholder but IM comming back on long [2016-03-14 20:35:18] jung1 : I feel in bones that maid will triple its price in next months [2016-03-14 20:35:44] sleger : excellent, then we won't have to hear you for too long [2016-03-14 20:35:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCT7D`: Sell 40 @ 0.00506 [2016-03-14 20:38:35] jung1 : you are boring [2016-03-14 20:38:43] jung1 : Im going to wach house of cards [2016-03-14 20:38:58] micmix : FCT7D open value 7.5 XBT, not a good start [2016-03-14 20:40:20] habibi : jung1: so bts 1500 sat - mc in case u wrong 1350, maid 2300 - mc around 1840. lets see if ur tips leads to liquidation or profit [2016-03-14 20:41:54] micmix : any alt available on polo margin can be pumped 3x-4x without difficulties [2016-03-14 20:42:34] micmix : and all of them will be at one point or another, that's how people make money there [2016-03-14 20:44:53] micmix : it's 2014 all over again. do you remember blackcoin? that's how the chart usually looks: http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/blackcoin/ [2016-03-14 20:45:24] jung1 : yeah [2016-03-14 20:45:35] jung1 : its just started with all these dapps movement [2016-03-14 20:45:48] micmix : or even better one: http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/auroracoin/ [2016-03-14 20:46:12] jung1 : '13-'14 was awesome. everyday new coin [2016-03-14 20:46:39] jung1 : keep an eye on dapps [2016-03-14 20:46:43] micmix : ETH and MAID have interesting technology but they are not currencies [2016-03-14 20:46:45] habibi : micmix: i would say margin trading actually reduces upmove [2016-03-14 20:46:52] jung1 : some of good bets and we can go for retire [2016-03-14 20:47:45] micmix : anyway, it's offtopic here [2016-03-14 20:48:28] jung1 : for example if someone will buy 2000 eth in presale for 1btc no you could sell it for $30000 [2016-03-14 20:49:29] jung1 : will be same with augur, factom and many many more projects couse eth could be used not only in finance [2016-03-14 20:50:07] jung1 : its more like you buy IP addresses in early '90 [2016-03-14 21:04:29] splash : jung1: where do u think we will go from here? if it was all about altcoins before, whats the next thing u think? [2016-03-14 21:05:04] jung1 : imo in this year will be another gold rush about dapps [2016-03-14 21:05:06] BitMEX_Sam : I'm a big fan of these useful PoW schemes [2016-03-14 21:05:37] splash : jung1: any special in mind? [2016-03-14 21:05:43] jung1 : its awesome because you can use ether blockchain basicly inevery fields [2016-03-14 21:05:51] jung1 : not only in finacial as it was with altcoins [2016-03-14 21:05:58] jung1 : all that internet of things [2016-03-14 21:06:05] jung1 : it will be huge [2016-03-14 21:06:11] BTCDJS : jung1: Whats special about Factom? [2016-03-14 21:06:19] jung1 : and we are lucky that we can see how its born [2016-03-14 21:06:24] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: If you refresh, resizing the Chart <= 2 units of height will unload it [2016-03-14 21:06:40] BitMEX_Sam : So if you want to save the cycles/memory just make it tiny and toss it at the bottom of the layout somewhere [2016-03-14 21:07:20] Plasma : nice [2016-03-14 21:07:58] jung1 : BTCDJS: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/factom-signs-deals-for-blockchain-notarization-services-and-smart-cities-in-china-1456935176 [2016-03-14 21:08:04] jung1 : this for wxample [2016-03-14 21:08:13] BitMEX_Sam : Hope you guys are enjoying the new customization - going to take a short break [2016-03-14 21:08:25] jung1 : yeah its cool [2016-03-14 21:09:45] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: I'm afraid to refresh [2016-03-14 21:09:53] BitMEX_Sam : I believe in you rapidtrades [2016-03-14 21:10:31] BTCDJS : jung1: Buy and HODL? [2016-03-14 21:11:04] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Sam: Great to be able to move everything the way i want it [2016-03-14 21:11:14] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: refresh now [2016-03-14 21:12:00] jung1 : BitMEX_Sam: best exchange so far [2016-03-14 21:12:13] splash : BitMEX_Sam: It would be unbelievable cool if we could plot the underlying asset on the chart also :D [2016-03-14 21:12:22] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: excellent, no more chart, thank you very much! [2016-03-14 21:14:54] splash : i think bitmex is going to be big exchange [2016-03-14 21:15:12] jung1 : yeah [2016-03-14 21:17:08] jung1 : would be awesome to buy some shares of bitmex [2016-03-14 21:18:49] BitMEX_Sam : splash: You already can chart it [2016-03-14 21:19:06] splash : oh i can? :D [2016-03-14 21:19:13] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, actually it does it automatically now [2016-03-14 21:19:16] BitMEX_Sam : You should see a purple line [2016-03-14 21:19:24] BitMEX_Sam : If you're using the dark theme it might be a bit faint, I'll work on that [2016-03-14 21:19:43] jung1 : btw its kinda funny trend on names in bitcoin companies. Most of them hav bit- or coin- in name. same as with internet companies in '90 with all that e-something or something-net [2016-03-14 21:20:11] BitMEX_Sam : Yep, that's true [2016-03-14 21:20:22] BitMEX_Sam : I've seen a few branching out from that, but not that many [2016-03-14 21:20:42] splash : jung1: true that [2016-03-14 21:20:52] jung1 : in this stage is good cous bitcoin is still hipster technology [2016-03-14 21:21:07] jung1 : so its easier for customers to identify [2016-03-14 21:21:16] jung1 : but its same story [2016-03-14 21:21:24] jung1 : and all we see what is internet now [2016-03-14 21:21:25] rapidtrades : the companies that survived the NASDAQ slaughter tho, didn't have e- or net [2016-03-14 21:21:55] jung1 : but they are after rebranding mostly [2016-03-14 21:22:07] rapidtrades : really like what [2016-03-14 21:22:31] jung1 : hm [2016-03-14 21:22:37] jung1 : ok I dont know [2016-03-14 21:23:08] rapidtrades : those names were prolly like targets hehe [2016-03-14 21:23:10] splash : yahoo? [2016-03-14 21:23:21] jung1 : its good name imo [2016-03-14 21:25:28] rapidtrades : i was just reading yday that almosot 40% of US stocks have a negative lifetime return [2016-03-14 21:32:12] splash : rapidtrades: wow i didnt know that. sounds aweful [2016-03-14 21:32:47] splash : rapditrades: on that note i tried to do some trading on stock exchanges today... impossible to do though because it takes to long to move money between accounts :-P [2016-03-14 21:33:46] splash : once u go crypto ur view of the old dinosaur finance world changes _completely_ and u realize how much value there is in this tech [2016-03-14 21:36:20] rapidtrades : depends, lot of forex brokers offer paypal-like alternatives with instant transfers...so it's even better then bitcoin [2016-03-14 21:37:10] BTCDJS : If bitcoin price reaches 570 on 24H how much will that be in M16? [2016-03-14 21:37:39] BitMEX_Sam : BTCDJS: Hard to say, it depends a lot on how fast it rises and what the sentiment is [2016-03-14 21:37:55] BitMEX_Sam : Too many variables at play to say what the market will price M16 at [2016-03-14 21:39:06] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: those contracts will overshoot both up and down [2016-03-14 21:39:21] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: is it me or fonts just got sharper on Chrome? [2016-03-14 21:39:29] rapidtrades : the more time to expiration, the larger the premium [2016-03-14 21:39:47] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: Depends, there was already one report that they got blurrier when the update came out earlier today [2016-03-14 21:39:52] BTCDJS : Ok Ill keep an eye on it closer to that time [2016-03-14 21:40:06] BitMEX_Sam : Blink/Webkit has some interesting interactions with 2D transforms, which we use to place the grid items [2016-03-14 21:40:23] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: how do i get rid of the chart [2016-03-14 21:40:30] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: Just size it very small [2016-03-14 21:40:35] BitMEX_Sam : It will unload if it detects it's unviewable [2016-03-14 21:41:10] rapidtrades : i still can't move stuff [2016-03-14 21:41:21] BitMEX_Sam : Really? [2016-03-14 21:41:23] rapidtrades : and now i have a chart showing [2016-03-14 21:41:29] micmix : any changes in the last 20-30 min, I just refreshed and fonts look better [2016-03-14 21:41:30] BitMEX_Sam : Are you on basic or advanced? [2016-03-14 21:41:39] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: There were some changes but it should not have affected fonts [2016-03-14 21:41:51] rapidtrades : basic [2016-03-14 21:41:57] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: must be my eyes got better suddenly :-) [2016-03-14 21:42:03] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: Basic is still a static layout, you can't move widgets on it [2016-03-14 21:42:06] BitMEX_Sam : Switch to Advanced [2016-03-14 22:16:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 900 @ 0.03131 [2016-03-14 22:17:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 1 @ 0.03118 :punch: :whale: [2016-03-14 22:24:15] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: what happens to the realized PNL on XBT48H? is it added to XBT24H PNL? [2016-03-14 22:24:39] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: I need to check with Wally on that, I know at some point we will be redoing how we display realised PNL [2016-03-14 22:25:05] BitMEX_Sam : It was a lot more straightforward before we moved to relisting contracts [2016-03-14 22:28:14] micmix : realizedPNL in the position table is zero on settlement, I couldn't find out how to get realized for XBT48H [2016-03-14 22:32:28] BitMEX_Sam : Ah yes. Then it's moved to 24H. It doesn't settle, it expires, so there wouldn't be any realised PNL [2016-03-14 22:32:47] BitMEX_Sam : The difference being of course that the position has been kept open, they're not settled at the mark price [2016-03-14 22:36:07] micmix : ok, that explains why there are no separate entries for XBT48H on the wallet page [2016-03-14 22:36:50] BitMEX_Sam : 48H is a virtual instrument, much like calendar spreads [2016-03-14 22:37:00] micmix : makes it a bit harder to see what's going on bc PNL from 24H and 48H is lumped together [2016-03-14 22:37:15] BitMEX_Sam : By the way @all another update just landed, you can now switch the orderbook between single and dual column in both layouts [2016-03-14 22:37:24] BitMEX_Sam : Click the options dropdown (gear in the top right corner) to change it [2016-03-14 22:37:32] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: Yeah, I agree that the history could use some fleshing out [2016-03-14 22:38:06] BitMEX_Sam : When we have a bit of time we're going to do a survey of some other systems and figure out a nicer history format for the site [2016-03-14 22:53:02] micmix : tscha: yeah, 24h volume is very low lately, like now we have one trade per hour. I guess ppl are busy playing with ETH [2016-03-14 23:05:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 70 @ 0.03061 [2016-03-14 23:08:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 300 @ 0.03046 [2016-03-14 23:09:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 40 @ 0.03010 [2016-03-14 23:09:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 350 @ 0.02982 [2016-03-14 23:18:15] hashman : order cancellation from the X on orderbook is no longer working [2016-03-14 23:18:48] habibi : it is, just stays there even order is canceled, right? [2016-03-14 23:19:15] hashman : yeah error mesage [2016-03-14 23:19:29] hashman : message: order can not be cancelled, price num " --- [2016-03-14 23:19:44] hashman : fucked me over pretty bad just now [2016-03-14 23:19:44] habibi : so take a look at active orders if the order is still there [2016-03-14 23:19:55] hashman : yeah you can cancel it from active orders [2016-03-14 23:20:03] hashman : but not from the orderbook anymore [2016-03-14 23:20:07] hashman : lost precious seconds [2016-03-14 23:20:11] hashman : figuring that out [2016-03-14 23:20:13] habibi : my point is i had the same, but order was canceled first time i clicked but x remained there still [2016-03-14 23:20:13] hashman : fuck [2016-03-14 23:20:33] hashman : not in my case, order was still there and had to cancel from active order tabs [2016-03-14 23:20:56] habibi : k [2016-03-14 23:21:06] habibi : i bet BitMEX_Sam can look into it [2016-03-14 23:24:09] BitMEX_Sam : Hang on, looking into it [2016-03-14 23:24:51] tscha : finally a larger trade on XBT [2016-03-14 23:33:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 50 @ 0.02930 [2016-03-14 23:34:26] nickhnt : eth gives [2016-03-14 23:34:27] nickhnt : eth takes [2016-03-14 23:34:30] nickhnt : :p [2016-03-14 23:36:14] Mangalica : almost 91k BTC volume for polo [2016-03-14 23:36:24] Mangalica : pretty impressive [2016-03-14 23:37:52] nickhnt : yeah, never seen so mush volume on there [2016-03-14 23:39:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 200 @ 415.45 [2016-03-14 23:39:48] BitMEX_Sam : hashman: I apologize for the ob cancel disruption, if you refresh the issue is fixed [2016-03-14 23:39:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 32 @ 0.02864 [2016-03-14 23:40:11] ayy lmao : how do i turn off indicators on the chart [2016-03-14 23:40:27] BitMEX_Sam : ayy lmao: Right click, you can 'disable order display' or 'disable position display' [2016-03-14 23:40:56] BitMEX_Sam : Mangalica: The volume there is nuts, especially since they get as much as 40 bps both sides with their fee schedule [2016-03-14 23:41:08] BitMEX_Sam : Roughly $160k USD/day best case [2016-03-14 23:41:14] ayy lmao : thx [2016-03-14 23:41:35] rapidtrades : can u make it so I can not see the chart [2016-03-14 23:41:50] rapidtrades : there's only maximize now [2016-03-14 23:41:53] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: Yes, just make it smaller and move it out of the way [2016-03-14 23:41:57] rapidtrades : and now i can't use advanced [2016-03-14 23:42:07] BitMEX_Sam : Why's that? [2016-03-14 23:42:18] rapidtrades : maybe it's my small resolution but it doesn't look right [2016-03-14 23:42:28] rapidtrades : i'll take a screenshot tomorrow [2016-03-14 23:44:41] BitMEX_Sam : Okay - yeah, you'd have to be more specific for me to have a chance of addressing it [2016-03-14 23:46:44] peasant-wizard : Are OCO orders part of UI yet? [2016-03-14 23:46:59] BitMEX_Sam : Not yet. [2016-03-14 23:47:13] peasant-wizard : No problemo thanks [2016-03-14 23:50:16] rapidtrades : so the sidebar can only move left/right [2016-03-14 23:50:23] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: In the meantime I've re-enabled the minimize button on the chart in the basic mode [2016-03-14 23:50:26] BitMEX_Sam : If you refresh you'll see it [2016-03-14 23:50:29] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: Correct re: sidebar [2016-03-14 23:50:57] BitMEX_Sam : This being because it has to be able to expand vertically to accommodate order types with differing numbers of fields [2016-03-14 23:51:23] rapidtrades : thanks for the minimize button [2016-03-15 00:04:06] peasant-wizard : Curious where I can find my position losses or profits when it closes from stop or limit. I don't see it in the Trade history. Cash Settlement is what I'm looking for, but for positions closed outside of settlement [2016-03-15 00:06:46] peasant-wizard : Oh wait, is there only Cash Settlement... The only time wallets get debited or credited is at settlement for that instrument? [2016-03-15 00:08:09] peasant-wizard : In which case I'm curious why I don't see anything under Withheld Profit [2016-03-15 00:10:26] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 3500 @ 415.92 [2016-03-15 00:14:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 150 @ 0.03049 [2016-03-15 00:44:48] j8 : peasant-wizard: Realised PNL is where it goes until settlement / weekly rebalance [2016-03-15 00:46:15] peasant-wizard : Right. I see my wallet balance going down as I take bad trades, but don't see those numbers reflected anywhere. My Withheld Profit says 0 [2016-03-15 00:46:50] j8 : withheld profit is only for profits [2016-03-15 00:47:50] peasant-wizard : Profits are withheld and losses are instant? [2016-03-15 00:48:39] j8 : yeah losses come out of your balance immediately, profit is withheld i.e. it can't be used for margin or withdrawn, in case there is DPE [2016-03-15 00:49:54] j8 : although there's a system in place that unlocks part of the withheld profit occasionally before settlement [2016-03-15 00:50:17] peasant-wizard : Ok great I am reading about that in the FAQ. However still looking for my losses per trade, can that only be tracked manually? [2016-03-15 00:50:42] peasant-wizard : By comparing wallet balance before and after each trade [2016-03-15 00:51:25] j8 : yeah unfortunately that's not shown anywhere on a per-trade basis [2016-03-15 00:52:29] peasant-wizard : Thanks for your patience just wanted clarification. No problem. Overall extremely impressed with the platform [2016-03-15 00:54:09] j8 : np, yeah i agree that would be useful [2016-03-15 00:59:47] viptrader : RIP ETH [2016-03-15 00:59:51] viptrader : dumpppppppppp that shit [2016-03-15 00:59:57] viptrader : it's going to 0.023 [2016-03-15 01:00:38] habibi : noone listening to u, even u can be lucky enough to choose the right path of the price young padavan [2016-03-15 01:02:42] micmix : last two times with viptrader: buy ETH followed by REKT ETH longs. next time sell ETH followed by REKT ETH short. [2016-03-15 01:03:02] habibi : see? u are not even lucky :p [2016-03-15 01:03:50] micmix : it was funny, he was right in general direction just the timing was a bit off [2016-03-15 01:05:29] zanza : that she blows [2016-03-15 01:05:34] zanza : thar* [2016-03-15 01:43:55] chromaticcr : BitMEX_Sam: I guess everyone is having this issue on chrome when -webkit-transform(-3d) are being used... : https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=130940 [2016-03-15 01:46:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT7D`: Buy 2500 @ 418.43 [2016-03-15 01:54:52] zanza : ETH is dropping like a rock [2016-03-15 02:48:42] viptrader : RIP ETH [2016-03-15 02:49:59] viptrader : We should insert some music [2016-03-15 02:50:04] viptrader : this is the end [2016-03-15 02:50:10] viptrader : ....... [2016-03-15 03:00:21] viptrader : huge dump coming [2016-03-15 03:05:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 70 @ 0.02992 [2016-03-15 03:06:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 110 @ 0.02976 [2016-03-15 03:06:28] viptrader : what is Withheld Profit [2016-03-15 03:07:06] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/faq#why-is-my-profit-withheld [2016-03-15 03:07:51] viptrader : BitMEX_Wally: the payment is after the settlment? [2016-03-15 03:08:51] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, or after the Friday weekly rebalance for the monthly contracts [2016-03-15 03:09:03] BitMEX_Wally : In general we try and unlock 50% of realised profits before settlement [2016-03-15 03:09:49] viptrader : BitMEX_Wally: thnx [2016-03-15 03:11:44] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: can I get realized PNL for XBT48H separately from XBT24H? realisedPNL for XBT48H is zero on settlement [2016-03-15 03:13:38] micmix : should I get realisedPNL for my position just before the settlement? [2016-03-15 03:23:19] elmorte : Damn, 4 orders haven [2016-03-15 03:23:42] elmorte : t been able to execute....UI is lagging [2016-03-15 03:23:49] elmorte : Anyone else with the issue? [2016-03-15 03:24:22] elmorte : Even these last msgs I only see in the archive, but not the chat window [2016-03-15 03:27:04] elmorte : F5 &...oh crap....the orders executed but the UI was not updating...luckily 2 orders were outside the spread [2016-03-15 03:27:39] elmorte : So now I'm only double the position I wanted...better than 4x I guess [2016-03-15 03:33:41] ayy lmao : bitmex has come a long way since last year [2016-03-15 03:33:46] ayy lmao : shit be tight [2016-03-15 03:33:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 700 @ 0.02877 [2016-03-15 03:33:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 50 @ 0.02906 [2016-03-15 03:33:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 1 @ 0.02921 :punch: :whale: [2016-03-15 03:34:53] uiop : some folks are selling [2016-03-15 03:37:15] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: XBT24H settles and the realised PNL is moved to your wallet, and then XBT48H is effectively renamed XBT24H [2016-03-15 03:37:29] BitMEX_Wally : So your XBT24H position inherits the realised PNL from XBT48H [2016-03-15 03:59:07] elmorte : Thanks for the index line on the charts dudes [2016-03-15 04:00:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT7D`: Buy 2 @ 419.38 :punch: :whale: [2016-03-15 04:20:30] viptrader : why u guys being liquadted [2016-03-15 04:20:37] viptrader : this is easy money [2016-03-15 04:20:54] viptrader : i can help you with that [2016-03-15 04:20:58] viptrader : anyone who want [2016-03-15 04:30:17] arbitrage001 : viptrader: what help are you giving? [2016-03-15 04:30:30] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: thanks, so daily XBT24H cash settlement on the wallet page inlcludes XBT48H realized PNL for the previous day, right? that's why it didn't match what my system was calculating [2016-03-15 04:30:46] viptrader : arbitrage001: on ethereum trades [2016-03-15 04:31:09] viptrader : i have been trading the same patterns for 3 years [2016-03-15 04:31:22] arbitrage001 : viptrader: how ? [2016-03-15 04:32:21] viptrader : i can give you my facebook [2016-03-15 04:32:27] micmix : and I need to store realisedPNL of XBT24H position immediately after XBT24H is relisted, and that will give me realized PNL on XBT48H for the previous day [2016-03-15 04:32:31] viptrader : and send u messages there [2016-03-15 04:32:56] viptrader : add me: rani saadi [2016-03-15 04:33:19] viptrader : a black and white profile pic [2016-03-15 04:35:30] arbitrage001 : i will start making money once i add you on facebook?