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[2016-02-20 00:06:58] BitMEX_Sam : But by placing orders into the book rather than hitting the book, not only do you generally get a better price, but you get the maker rebate (instead of the taker fee)
[2016-02-20 00:07:36] BTCDJS : thanks
[2016-02-20 00:16:06] BTCDJS : broke through the triangle
[2016-02-20 00:16:54] micmix : tscha: I had one disconnect today at 15:52 UTC and that's it.
[2016-02-20 00:20:01] jung1 : There is no vat on bitcoin in poland
[2016-02-20 00:20:07] jung1 : Officially
[2016-02-20 00:20:13] jung1 : Whoop whoop
[2016-02-20 00:20:50] BTCDJS : jung1: nice one mate
[2016-02-20 00:22:37] jung1 : Yeah its quite big
[2016-02-20 00:23:03] jung1 : Couse its first polish gov interpretation of bitcoin
[2016-02-20 00:23:31] BTCDJS : theres no tax on bitcoin in UK either which I'm happy about too. plus i don't have to pay tax from trading either
[2016-02-20 00:23:50] jung1 : And in poland poker and sport bets are illegal
[2016-02-20 00:23:52] BitMEX_Sam : Excellent
[2016-02-20 00:23:55] BitMEX_Sam : re: tax on Bitcoin
[2016-02-20 00:24:00] jung1 : Soo see you on the moon
[2016-02-20 00:24:07] BitMEX_Sam : Will be in PL this summer - Krakow bound
[2016-02-20 00:24:20] jung1 : BitMEX_Sam: when?
[2016-02-20 00:24:31] jung1 : Any conf?
[2016-02-20 00:24:36] BitMEX_Sam : Haven't bought yet. But my wife is Polish, we go every two years or so
[2016-02-20 00:25:33] BitMEX_Sam : Grew up near Rzeszow
[2016-02-20 00:25:37] jung1 : Will be awesome to meet. I can arrange some bitcoin meeting or interview
[2016-02-20 00:25:49] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, would be good - Krakow is a hell of a fun town
[2016-02-20 00:25:58] jung1 : Its south. Like 500km from my hometown
[2016-02-20 00:26:25] jung1 : But there is biggest smog in poland
[2016-02-20 00:26:28] BitMEX_Sam : Really
[2016-02-20 00:26:30] BitMEX_Sam : Where from?
[2016-02-20 00:26:37] jung1 : But its really nice
[2016-02-20 00:26:43] jung1 : Bydgoszcz
[2016-02-20 00:27:16] jung1 : But I was living in gdansk as well and travel quite often to warsaw
[2016-02-20 00:27:35] jung1 : We started monthly bitcoin meetups in warsaw
[2016-02-20 00:27:48] BitMEX_Sam : Never been yet - always in the south generally
[2016-02-20 00:28:03] BitMEX_Sam : I'm a big fan of the mountains near Zakopane
[2016-02-20 00:28:11] jung1 : Tatry
[2016-02-20 00:28:17] BitMEX_Sam : Yep
[2016-02-20 00:28:29] BitMEX_Sam : Stand on a mountain, pije Tatra
[2016-02-20 00:28:31] BitMEX_Sam : That's the life
[2016-02-20 00:28:40] jung1 : Hehe
[2016-02-20 00:28:51] jung1 : Tatra its quite shitty beer
[2016-02-20 00:29:10] BitMEX_Sam : Hahah yeah it tastes like the brown bottle it comes in
[2016-02-20 00:29:35] BitMEX_Sam : One of the more exported beers though, along with Zywiec and Lech
[2016-02-20 00:29:43] cryptostephen : i like the chat on the right side
[2016-02-20 00:29:49] cryptostephen : how many confirms before deposit hits
[2016-02-20 00:29:57] BitMEX_Sam : cryptostephen: You can move it anywhere you like as well by dragging
[2016-02-20 00:30:00] BitMEX_Sam : cryptostephen: Just one
[2016-02-20 00:30:18] BitMEX_Sam : Note that fees to get confirmed quickly have generally risen, we've seen even small txs with 0.0001 take a few hours
[2016-02-20 00:30:25] BitMEX_Sam : It's safer to do at least 0.0003 if you want it quickly.
[2016-02-20 00:30:32] cryptostephen : damn hurry bitcoin!
[2016-02-20 00:30:33] cryptostephen : haha
[2016-02-20 00:30:45] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah. That's why everyone's in a tiff about blocksizes. Network's overloaded
[2016-02-20 00:30:48] jung1 : When we meet I will give you some mine beers. I make my own
[2016-02-20 00:30:50] cryptostephen : will it give me a popup notification when it hits?
[2016-02-20 00:31:05] BitMEX_Sam : cryptostephen: You'll get an email
[2016-02-20 00:31:16] BitMEX_Sam : jung1: That always sounds good to me
[2016-02-20 00:31:31] BitMEX_Sam : Did you make anything from the cheap apples last year?
[2016-02-20 00:31:51] BTCDJS : cryptostephen: just check the wallet you sent it from. once it says 1 confirmation your done
[2016-02-20 00:32:06] cryptostephen : yea thanks i know how deposits work just waiting for that first confirm
[2016-02-20 00:32:07] BitMEX_Sam : You'll also see it reflected in your balance near your name on the top right
[2016-02-20 00:32:07] jung1 : BitMEX_Sam: some wine
[2016-02-20 00:32:34] BitMEX_Sam : jung1: Was a heck of a deal, saw crates going for 1PLN
[2016-02-20 00:33:38] jung1 : Yeah
[2016-02-20 00:33:54] jung1 : Couse of russias ban for import
[2016-02-20 00:34:56] BTCDJS : fuck yeah
[2016-02-20 00:35:28] BTCDJS : finally some excitement
[2016-02-20 00:35:42] BTCDJS : moon
[2016-02-20 00:36:08] BTCDJS : pfft and i was going to go to bed
[2016-02-20 00:39:17] 00Smurf : sodoes the site run its own liquidity bots on the market?
[2016-02-20 00:39:25] 00Smurf : or are they all user based
[2016-02-20 00:41:20] cryptostephen : i have 1 confirm on blockchain but no deposit :(
[2016-02-20 00:41:49] BTCDJS : refresh
[2016-02-20 00:42:10] cryptostephen : got it :)
[2016-02-20 00:42:13] cryptostephen : time to gamble
[2016-02-20 00:43:13] BTCDJS : put 38k XBT on a long position ?
[2016-02-20 00:50:02] cryptostephen : k!
[2016-02-20 00:50:36] BTCDJS : lol
[2016-02-20 01:50:56] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: something happened to the trollbox, can't minimize it by clicking on the title or on the button. but resize works :-) latest chrome on Windows
[2016-02-20 01:51:56] habibi : try double click, single click didnt work on my either
[2016-02-20 01:52:09] habibi : like second clicked and next ones
[2016-02-20 01:52:44] micmix : double-click doesn't work either. when I hover over the minimize button the cursor changes to resize
[2016-02-20 02:07:04] 00Smurf : BitMEX_Sam: why must the only way to close a short be a buy order. I would like to be able to place my short close on the sell side.
[2016-02-20 02:10:15] habibi : wat?
[2016-02-20 02:10:19] habibi : waaaat :D
[2016-02-20 02:10:23] XBT_Saver : 00Smurf: That is not how it works my friend...
[2016-02-20 02:10:30] 00Smurf : i know
[2016-02-20 02:10:34] 00Smurf : would be useful though
[2016-02-20 02:10:54] 00Smurf : i supose some sort of trigger order would work
[2016-02-20 02:10:57] XBT_Saver : 00Smurf: I recommend you read this: https://www.bitmex.com/app/faq#what-is-a-bid
[2016-02-20 02:11:19] habibi : close short by shorting more
[2016-02-20 02:11:21] habibi : sooo legit
[2016-02-20 02:11:41] 00Smurf : lol, no i dont think i explained it properly
[2016-02-20 02:12:09] XBT_Saver : If you are short ...then you have already "sold" and you need to "buy" back for less... to make a profit.
[2016-02-20 02:12:57] XBT_Saver : 00Smurf: Or indeed sell more for a higher price and extend your position...
[2016-02-20 02:13:21] 00Smurf : XBT_Saver: yea i understand that
[2016-02-20 03:33:09] jung1 : micmix: you cant run away from trollbox
[2016-02-20 03:56:38] ayy lmao : i think he means like a stop
[2016-02-20 03:56:44] ayy lmao : stop into profit
[2016-02-20 04:01:19] Johnny1989 : i'm newbie, anybody can support me?
[2016-02-20 04:01:53] jung1 : Shure
[2016-02-20 04:02:25] Johnny1989 : can u give me ur contact, exp skyp
[2016-02-20 04:02:32] Johnny1989 : skype
[2016-02-20 04:03:12] jung1 : Cant talk now
[2016-02-20 04:03:20] jung1 : And im on phone
[2016-02-20 04:03:27] Johnny1989 : oh
[2016-02-20 04:03:49] Johnny1989 : how can i contact with u, whatapps or skype
[2016-02-20 04:04:37] laisee : Johnny1989: send your questions to support@bitmex.com or check out the FAQ on web site.
[2016-02-20 04:05:12] Johnny1989 : thanks laisee
[2016-02-20 04:17:36] laisee : just click on the big "HELP" displayed at top,centre of the page.
[2016-02-20 05:13:45] cengel : OKcoin has trained many traders to not understand how futures work
[2016-02-20 05:16:01] cengel : it's pretty basic why it is dumb to hold long and short position at same time. it makes no sense really to do so, but somehow people see this as a feature
[2016-02-20 05:17:36] cengel : And now that a lot of the engine features are being pushed to the web UI maybe more understanding will spread of this
[2016-02-20 05:21:22] rapidtrades : cengel: it's not ''dumb''
[2016-02-20 05:21:47] rapidtrades : it's a lot harder to keep track of different strategies and trades
[2016-02-20 05:24:03] rapidtrades : also okc hasn't ''trained'' anyone, this has been a feature of forex markets since i started trading
[2016-02-20 05:24:47] rapidtrades : even forex brokers that started out doing it like bitmex, later switched to allowing long/shorts
[2016-02-20 05:26:22] rapidtrades : furthermore, because there are no rollover fees on futures, having longs and shorts at the same time doesn't have any negative repercussions
[2016-02-20 05:29:54] JDUB99 : at end of the day, if one can be profitable with a strategy, it's not "dumb"
[2016-02-20 05:33:37] rapidtrades : for manual traders it makes things a lot easier...the alternative is to note down every trade with the new parameters
[2016-02-20 05:44:49] JDUB99 : @bitmex wally - I've been using the calculator, but after I close it, I can't adjust the chart and have to reload
[2016-02-20 05:45:58] rapidtrades : very little selling past few hrs
[2016-02-20 05:46:43] JDUB99 : bears hiberating
[2016-02-20 05:47:24] JDUB99 : looking to peek out, but I'm long on the daily, short on the hourly
[2016-02-20 05:54:30] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 500 @ 423.40
[2016-02-20 05:56:39] cengel : @rapidtrades the CFTC doesn't allow opposing positions held at same time, so i dont know what youre talking about
[2016-02-20 05:57:00] cengel : because so many scammers were using this feature to promote dubious "Hedging" strategies, they cracked down on it and prohibit brokers to do this
[2016-02-20 05:57:31] rapidtrades : plz pleb
[2016-02-20 05:57:49] JDUB99 : what if you take opposing positions on different contracts? isn't that just an application of the same principle?
[2016-02-20 05:58:12] JDUB99 : even using a different account to "bet against yourself"
[2016-02-20 05:58:35] 00Smurf : eth down btx up
[2016-02-20 05:58:40] cengel : jdub99 , no because the different contracts have diff features on the diff time length, there are legitimate strategies to play there
[2016-02-20 05:58:55] rapidtrades : ''legitimate''
[2016-02-20 05:59:09] cengel : @rapidtrades it's common knowledge https://www.kattenlaw.com/36595
[2016-02-20 05:59:18] cengel : it's called bona fide hedging, try to educate yourself, @rapidtrades
[2016-02-20 06:00:03] rapidtrades : why would I? not American don't give a shit what CFTC says...btw they only instituted that rule for forex in 2008
[2016-02-20 06:00:26] cengel : Glad to see you're actually reading about it now at least
[2016-02-20 06:01:22] rapidtrades : reading about what? a regulatory ruling that has no impact on me?
[2016-02-20 06:02:39] rapidtrades : all of my forex brokers allow opposing trades at the same time
[2016-02-20 06:02:57] cengel : Hey if you're dumb enough to have simultaneous opposing positions on same contract, then go give your fees to the woodchipper
[2016-02-20 06:02:59] cengel : They'll be glad to take them
[2016-02-20 06:03:20] cengel : Do what you want kiddo
[2016-02-20 06:03:28] rapidtrades : plz pleb
[2016-02-20 06:07:22] rapidtrades : no extra fees are paid, because both trades would've been closed eventually...the only variable are rollover fees which don't exist in futures
[2016-02-20 06:08:05] cengel : You're paying an extra fee to open a separate position, so yes extra fees are paid
[2016-02-20 06:08:13] rapidtrades : ffs
[2016-02-20 06:08:36] rapidtrades : DIFFERENT SYSTEMS MOFO DO U UNDERSTAND WHAT IM SAYING
[2016-02-20 06:08:52] cengel : I dont think you understand what you're saying, that's why you're angry and typing in caps after being shown the truth
[2016-02-20 06:09:17] rapidtrades : already made my point and you're obv too dense to understand
[2016-02-20 06:11:14] elmorte : Was the guy who started this whole convo talking futures or options?
[2016-02-20 06:11:38] JDUB99 : anyone seen wally?
[2016-02-20 06:11:48] JDUB99 : let him put this to rest!
[2016-02-20 06:11:57] rapidtrades : JDUB99: they don't show up much during the weeeknd
[2016-02-20 06:12:15] elmorte : Can't blame them, I wish I was in bed too
[2016-02-20 06:12:22] JDUB99 : yea, hard workers
[2016-02-20 06:12:24] JDUB99 : well deserved rest
[2016-02-20 06:12:30] JDUB99 : great work on the new interface
[2016-02-20 06:12:43] rapidtrades : yeah I guess all that f*cking takes a toll on a person
[2016-02-20 06:12:50] JDUB99 : except now I don't want to open the calculator cuz i'll have to reload the page again
[2016-02-20 06:13:54] cengel : JDUB - put it this way, if holding opposite positions on same contract made sense, Bitmex would have this. so you already know their feelings on it
[2016-02-20 06:14:44] rapidtrades : cause after the new UI f*ck up, we know that bitmex is the arbiter for what makes ''sense''
[2016-02-20 06:15:36] cengel : In structuring how the contracts are traded they are experts
[2016-02-20 06:15:39] rapidtrades : funny how americans comes in here quoting the cftc: ''DONT YOU KNOW THE CFTC BANNED X, SO ITS BAD OH SO BAD''
[2016-02-20 06:15:41] cengel : Design issues are a separate matter
[2016-02-20 06:15:43] elmorte : You could do it two different accounts, if that's allowed. I just don't see the logic of it...it's usually for options i think
[2016-02-20 06:15:55] JDUB99 : @cegnel I don't buy that argument of XXX knows best
[2016-02-20 06:15:56] cengel : @rapidtrades I'm not American.
[2016-02-20 06:16:13] JDUB99 : your extra fees argument holds more merit
[2016-02-20 06:16:16] rapidtrades : cengel: then don't quote the cftc, pleb
[2016-02-20 06:16:20] cengel : @JDUB99 then read the argument i made instead
[2016-02-20 06:16:50] cengel : @rapidtrades the CFTC is relevant so I will quote them on things that make sense
[2016-02-20 06:17:06] JDUB99 : just b/c a gov makes a regulation against something doesn't necessarily make it bad
[2016-02-20 06:17:18] cengel : and in this case they stepped in because people were preying on low-information traders like @rapidtrades and telling them that "opening multiple positions against one another long and short make sense! give more fees!"
[2016-02-20 06:17:41] cengel : so they had to take action to stop the abuse of traders. that's why it's relevant in this case to quote CFTC
[2016-02-20 06:17:44] BitMEX_Wally : I have yet to hear someone make a case for why they would want a long and a short position in the same instrument
[2016-02-20 06:17:58] rapidtrades : different strategies
[2016-02-20 06:17:59] BitMEX_Wally : The downsides I understand, you have more chance of being liquidated
[2016-02-20 06:18:07] cengel : @rapidtrades what does that even mean?
[2016-02-20 06:18:12] BitMEX_Wally : Right, but the PNL is the same, so how does it help the strategy?
[2016-02-20 06:18:13] cengel : is your strategy to pay extra fees?
[2016-02-20 06:18:24] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: it helps with trade management
[2016-02-20 06:18:27] cengel : do you understand what "net position" means, @rapidtrades ?
[2016-02-20 06:18:28] BitMEX_Wally : Tell me what the upside is?
[2016-02-20 06:18:32] JDUB99 : lets say for example I am in the money on a long, and I want to trade the drawback, i can do it on the same contract,or another contract, i'll get fee'd either way
[2016-02-20 06:18:57] BitMEX_Wally : If you hold till settlement you pay more fees
[2016-02-20 06:18:57] cengel : JDUB 99 - then take profit and go short
[2016-02-20 06:19:00] JDUB99 : while i could take profit on my long, lets say i want to keep that position cuz i think it'll continue to run
[2016-02-20 06:19:13] elmorte : Maybe open position is an advantage?
[2016-02-20 06:19:21] cengel : jdub , or play the drawback on a diff contract length
[2016-02-20 06:19:34] cengel : jdub 99 - relong after you have covered your short
[2016-02-20 06:19:36] elmorte : You then close the losing one and still have an open position, without going thru the ordering process
[2016-02-20 06:19:39] cengel : your net exposure is what is relevant here
[2016-02-20 06:19:54] cengel : holding 9 different long and short positions at same time at different prices is retarded on its face
[2016-02-20 06:20:00] JDUB99 : whats the different of doing on a different contract vs. the same contract? won't there still be the same fees?
[2016-02-20 06:20:12] BitMEX_Wally : It's not the fees of the trading
[2016-02-20 06:20:46] JDUB99 : btw wally, can you take a look at the calculator chart bug?
[2016-02-20 06:20:49] BitMEX_Wally : We do not charge different fees to 'open' or 'close' a position, except for settlement
[2016-02-20 06:21:12] BitMEX_Wally : JDUB99: Yes I have re-created, will get Sam to fix
[2016-02-20 06:21:21] JDUB99 : thx wally
[2016-02-20 06:22:03] BitMEX_Wally : So the benefit of allowing long and short simultaneously is one of trade management, i.e. you can think about 2 separate 'trades' in your head more easily?
[2016-02-20 06:22:09] elmorte : BitMEX_Wally: Greg asked me some more questions about the Trollbox...but it seems to have been fixed on Chrome
[2016-02-20 06:22:22] cengel : It's a psychological trick for beginning traders
[2016-02-20 06:22:24] BitMEX_Wally : Even though the net effect is to increase the risk of liquidation and you pay more settlement fees
[2016-02-20 06:22:32] JDUB99 : @cegnel if I relong after I take profit with the short, then my position will closer to my entry price, so say for example I want to preserve the "buffer" between my entry and my in the money position, while still playing the drawback
[2016-02-20 06:22:47] BitMEX_Wally : But we allow you to add margin to open positions
[2016-02-20 06:22:58] BitMEX_Wally : So the avgEntryPrice does not matter
[2016-02-20 06:23:37] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: it's not only in ur head, if the exchanges doesn't allow long/short, you have to note down every trade with the your virtual exit points, it's a lot more hassle
[2016-02-20 06:23:48] cengel : lol what? that doesn't even make sense
[2016-02-20 06:24:09] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: Ok, so it's only information?
[2016-02-20 06:24:20] elmorte : Are you trading for a bunch of other people?
[2016-02-20 06:24:21] BitMEX_Wally : You accept there is no difference to the total PNL?
[2016-02-20 06:24:22] JDUB99 : adding margin to my entry price will not protect me from higher volatitlity vs. keeping a long that is beyond my expected volatility of current price
[2016-02-20 06:24:24] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: it's easier trade management
[2016-02-20 06:24:29] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: of course
[2016-02-20 06:24:54] BitMEX_Wally : We might add sub-account support
[2016-02-20 06:25:04] cengel : this is exactly what i meant BTW when i said that OKcoiin has trained bitcoiners to not understand how futures work
[2016-02-20 06:25:47] rapidtrades : u keep repeating the same garbage even though u were refuted earlier
[2016-02-20 06:25:57] rapidtrades : u dont know anything u ctfc quoting mofo
[2016-02-20 06:26:15] cengel : lol so mad
[2016-02-20 06:26:38] cengel : CFTC is to protect little guys like you man be more appreciative of their efforts
[2016-02-20 06:27:19] rapidtrades : cftc has 0 impact on me, don't trade US futures
[2016-02-20 06:28:25] rapidtrades : the option to long/short should be there, whether ppl use it, it's up to them
[2016-02-20 06:28:48] rapidtrades : it's not the exchange's job to ''protect'' traders
[2016-02-20 06:29:34] cengel : i'm more interested in disabling the trollbox so i dont get irritated by people like you
[2016-02-20 06:29:45] cengel : but it's not possible, ive played with removing different elements, screws everything up
[2016-02-20 06:30:54] JDUB99 : lets say I enter a long at 10, and expect it to hit 30, but once it hits 20, i want to short with a target of 15 to realize that drawback, if I enter again at 15 to maintain my position size, then my entry will 12.5 rather than 10
[2016-02-20 06:31:43] rapidtrades : yeah it's a hassle to manage
[2016-02-20 06:32:15] cengel : JDUB99, simple, you can replicate the change in net exposure just by longing/shorting at those different points
[2016-02-20 06:32:19] cengel : the maths work out the same
[2016-02-20 06:32:37] rapidtrades : cengel: do u even trade?
[2016-02-20 06:32:42] JDUB99 : you mean short on a different contract?
[2016-02-20 06:32:56] JDUB99 : to keep my full position at 10, and play the drawback on a different contract right?
[2016-02-20 06:33:14] rapidtrades : he has to note down every trade....cos the platform will not correctly display it
[2016-02-20 06:33:48] JDUB99 : or do you mean to wait until it goes back to 10, to add to my position?
[2016-02-20 06:33:52] cengel : if you are unable to view the trades in the way the net exposure is changing, then you need subaccounts i guess. but that's more your problem than anything
[2016-02-20 06:33:59] cengel : the maths is the same you just have to think of it differently
[2016-02-20 06:35:11] JDUB99 : I agree the math is the same, it's just I want protect my "in the money" buffer between 10 and 15
[2016-02-20 06:35:16] cengel : think of it more in an engineering sense, not accounting. your delta pnl is a result of your net exposure, and that net exposure can be replicated through different buys and sells held at different points at the same time, or just by buying and selling
[2016-02-20 06:35:25] rapidtrades : cengel: diff accounts expose u to clawback risk on both accounts, u could have very small net exposure and get r*aped by clawback on one of the accounts
[2016-02-20 06:35:43] cengel : @jdub99 ok, well, maybe that's subaccount thing to fix
[2016-02-20 06:36:42] cengel : i'm a fan of opt-in features if it doesn't affect anything else.
[2016-02-20 06:37:08] cengel : i'm also in favor of opt-out features like opting out of this trollbox!
[2016-02-20 06:37:27] rapidtrades : just minimize the windown and f off
[2016-02-20 06:37:32] JDUB99 : subaccount is not the answer, the point is whether or not its feasible to utilize the "swing both ways" strategy
[2016-02-20 06:38:07] cengel : @rapidtrades sorry to make you feel like a beta in your own territory, get Wally to let me disable trollbox and i'll leave you alone
[2016-02-20 06:38:12] JDUB99 : subaccount is just a workaround, to a strategy that is "contreversial" (sp)
[2016-02-20 06:38:47] rapidtrades : JDUB99: subaccounts are a really bad idea while clawback exists, since it's tied to profit...also on bitmex its profit per contract, so longing different contracts still exposes u to clawback risk
[2016-02-20 06:40:05] JDUB99 : yea, I get that clawback exposure, but I'm discounting that b/c even if you take that out, the strategy is still somewhat dubious
[2016-02-20 06:40:56] rapidtrades : okc/finex gap now only 60 cents
[2016-02-20 06:41:11] JDUB99 : as clawback is a percentage of positions, one account, twenty accounts, the clawback should be the same
[2016-02-20 06:41:38] rapidtrades : what? no....u only get clawback on ur profits
[2016-02-20 06:42:17] JDUB99 : yea but if you profit 100, on one account or 20 accounts with 5 profit each account, won't the clawback be the same?
[2016-02-20 06:42:38] rapidtrades : if ur long on account A and short on B, and price crashes and we get 30% dpe...your profits will be 30% less on B and losses will be the same on A
[2016-02-20 06:43:10] cengel : yes it's a percentage basis. but if you're using multi positions to hedge the other you're at risk of a worse loss than if you just managed your net exposure with long/short
[2016-02-20 06:44:14] cengel : same reason why you should not do hedging on any socialised loss contracts whether from OKCcoin or bitmex XBT series
[2016-02-20 06:47:38] JDUB99 : speaking of dpe, is there a historical reccord of dpe for the contracts?
[2016-02-20 06:48:11] cengel : https://www.bitmex.com/app/settlementHistory
[2016-02-20 06:48:40] JDUB99 : ahhh it moved to the help tab
[2016-02-20 06:49:42] JDUB99 : so no dpe in a long time should indicate that bitmex as an exchange is 'in the money'?
[2016-02-20 06:49:57] JDUB99 : no socialized losses means traders are trading good?
[2016-02-20 06:50:18] cengel : no it means their liquidations are being scooped up in volatile times without issue
[2016-02-20 06:50:43] JDUB99 : oops nm didn't see december
[2016-02-20 06:50:46] rapidtrades : JDUB99: we haven't had crazy volatiliy since november/december
[2016-02-20 06:50:59] rapidtrades : JDUB99: yeah we had two days close to 30%
[2016-02-20 06:51:53] cengel : @JDUB99 according to the docs it should offset the losses: https://www.bitmex.com/app/dynamicProfitEqualisation
[2016-02-20 06:52:18] BTCDJS : Why XBT instead of BTC
[2016-02-20 06:52:32] JDUB99 : lol 34%...
[2016-02-20 06:52:36] JDUB99 : blame japan!
[2016-02-20 06:54:11] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 1053 @ 423.90
[2016-02-20 06:55:25] BitMEX_Wally : BTCDJS: XBT is an ISO currency code
[2016-02-20 06:55:31] BitMEX_Wally : BTCDJS: XBT is used on Reuters and Bloomberg
[2016-02-20 06:56:00] BitMEX_Wally : The Kingdom of Bhutan does not issue a currency beginning with C so there is no such currency as BTC
[2016-02-20 06:56:35] elmorte : BTCDJS: morning
[2016-02-20 06:57:10] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Wally: ok
[2016-02-20 06:57:23] elmorte : This may sound wrong....but thanks for last night ;)
[2016-02-20 06:58:25] elmorte : Wally got jokes :)
[2016-02-20 07:01:11] BTCDJS : elmorte: was it as good for you as it was for me?
[2016-02-20 07:04:07] elmorte : (̅_̅_̅(̅(̅_̅_̅_̅_̅_̅̅()ڪ.
[2016-02-20 07:04:39] elmorte : Hehe...it's the font. not a comment on your size
[2016-02-20 07:05:47] BTCDJS : elmorte: ok. Now it's weird
[2016-02-20 07:06:36] elmorte : It's probably the most civilized convo in the last few hrs
[2016-02-20 07:09:13] elmorte : cengel: I managed to lose the trollbox
[2016-02-20 07:09:28] cengel : @elmorte please share how!
[2016-02-20 07:09:35] cengel : you lost it without screwing the widgets up for everythin else?
[2016-02-20 07:10:11] elmorte : By accident :) Trying to replicate. Had to refresh to get it back...but it was open in "fullscreen" mode...
[2016-02-20 07:10:11] rapidtrades : just minimize it and never open it again...are u that weak willed
[2016-02-20 07:10:49] cengel : rapidtrades, youve been crying for hours about a feature that you need because you cant do basic maths, dont tell me about complaining about features
[2016-02-20 07:11:01] elmorte : Ok, got it
[2016-02-20 07:11:17] rapidtrades : cengel: it's not a feature ''I need''
[2016-02-20 07:11:32] cengel : all i want is the ability to have the choice to disable the trllbox. that simple
[2016-02-20 07:11:48] rapidtrades : 1.HIT MINIMIZE
[2016-02-20 07:11:55] rapidtrades : 2. DON'T HIT RESTORE
[2016-02-20 07:12:06] rapidtrades : well that should've been 2
[2016-02-20 07:12:32] BTCDJS : Lol
[2016-02-20 07:13:46] elmorte : On Chrome Windows, make sure the browser is maximized. Then open Trollbox to full screen. Then click the maximize button again on the browser - boom, site minus the trollbox
[2016-02-20 07:14:46] cengel : if the window is maximised how can i click maximize button again
[2016-02-20 07:15:22] BTCDJS : cengel: easily lead? Are you in the percentage bracket of people who get put in a room alone with a red button. Get told not to push it. But you can't help yourself. Because you know you're not supposed to but you want to
[2016-02-20 07:15:50] cengel : @elmorte not working
[2016-02-20 07:15:55] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: yeah he's the type of person that needs the CFTC to protect him
[2016-02-20 07:16:05] elmorte : The button is still there, just that the function changes
[2016-02-20 07:16:08] rapidtrades : poor wittle cengel
[2016-02-20 07:16:24] cengel : @btcdjs i'm that percentage of people who wants to remove the trollbox. it doens't serve any critical purpose and should be opt-outable. it's that simple.
[2016-02-20 07:16:59] elmorte : Ok, I realized why it's happening. Once I "de-maximize", the brower width shrinks and the site UI changes to mobile
[2016-02-20 07:17:00] rapidtrades : ppl that want to leave just do it...they don't make drama exit
[2016-02-20 07:17:03] BTCDJS : You seem to love talking on it though
[2016-02-20 07:17:19] cengel : elmorte, yep i noticed that when inspecting the code in dev thing
[2016-02-20 07:17:27] elmorte : Then when I increase the brower width gradually, it switches back to normail UI minus the Trollbox
[2016-02-20 07:17:47] cengel : @rapidtrades It's to improve my experience on the website, not about a dramatic exit. I've tried many ways to do it and it's not working. I'm insisting because I've been asking for this feature for over a year
[2016-02-20 07:18:05] rapidtrades : who are u...
[2016-02-20 07:18:26] rapidtrades : noone has seen u here, ur a nobody
[2016-02-20 07:19:44] cengel : let's just say I was here before the Trollbox started to resemble its name, filled with people like you
[2016-02-20 07:20:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 200 @ 425.78
[2016-02-20 07:20:26] BTCDJS : Ooo snap
[2016-02-20 07:22:54] BTCDJS : Nice come back. But still. Is it the numbers that appear on the tab when it's minimised that draws you to it? Cos it's probably less work for Sam to remove the numbers by making it possible for you to mute it
[2016-02-20 07:23:07] BTCDJS : cengel:
[2016-02-20 07:23:15] rapidtrades : numbers top out at 101
[2016-02-20 07:23:28] rapidtrades : so just leave it on and don't touch it
[2016-02-20 07:23:33] elmorte : That seems arbitrary....
[2016-02-20 07:23:33] cengel : @btcdjs there's one solution to my problem: to completely disable/remove the trollbox. full stop.
[2016-02-20 07:23:47] elmorte : Yeah, but till then you hack it
[2016-02-20 07:23:51] rapidtrades : cengel: ur such a drama queen
[2016-02-20 07:24:10] elmorte : You could modify the Cloud to Butt extension...change every instance of a certain username to something....funny....
[2016-02-20 07:24:22] BTCDJS : cengel: so you admit you have a problem
[2016-02-20 07:25:24] BTCDJS : Dude 426!!
[2016-02-20 07:25:33] cengel : Yes, the problem of the trollbox not being removable even by playing with the code in userscript etc.
[2016-02-20 07:26:03] rapidtrades : $445 today
[2016-02-20 07:27:46] elmorte : Can't you hack it since you spent some time on it already? Change the font and bg to the same colour since you can't remove it
[2016-02-20 07:28:01] BTCDJS : Oh no back to denial. I thought we were making the first step towards recovery
[2016-02-20 07:28:29] cengel : @elmorte can't hack it to achieve actual removal no.
[2016-02-20 07:28:38] cengel : not without screwing up the whole widget layout lol
[2016-02-20 07:28:43] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: put 10btc on it? Lol
[2016-02-20 07:28:57] elmorte : cengel: Yes, I got that much. I'm saying mask it then
[2016-02-20 07:29:10] cengel : @elmorte thank you for the suggestion.
[2016-02-20 07:29:17] elmorte : put a bandaid on it :)
[2016-02-20 07:29:33] cengel : I'm going to keep being a pain in the ass about this
[2016-02-20 07:29:52] elmorte : No doubt
[2016-02-20 07:30:07] elmorte : Aight, gotta run, peace fellas
[2016-02-20 07:30:15] cengel : have a good one
[2016-02-20 07:30:15] rapidtrades : run now?
[2016-02-20 07:30:29] rapidtrades : we're about to breakout...maybe
[2016-02-20 07:30:45] BTCDJS : the second one
[2016-02-20 07:31:02] cryptostephen : MOON
[2016-02-20 07:31:09] cryptostephen : this is cointrader11 btw hehe hi
[2016-02-20 07:31:19] BTCDJS : look at the order book
[2016-02-20 07:32:01] rapidtrades : do u have risk of DPE? any large shorts taken earlier?
[2016-02-20 07:33:35] BTCDJS : whats DPE?
[2016-02-20 07:33:55] spinte7 : hello
[2016-02-20 07:34:00] spinte7 : how can I change Isolated mode?
[2016-02-20 07:34:27] BTCDJS : margin?
[2016-02-20 07:34:37] spinte7 : yeah, 100x daily
[2016-02-20 07:34:42] spinte7 : want to modify isolated mode
[2016-02-20 07:36:10] cryptostephen : 107% in profit
[2016-02-20 07:36:32] BTCDJS : change leverage on the left side on positions tab and you can change it on the confirmation tab when you are asked to confirm your order
[2016-02-20 07:38:53] BTCDJS : we have to break through this
[2016-02-20 07:39:37] rapidtrades : we don't have to but it would be desirable :)
[2016-02-20 07:39:45] spinte7 : BTCDJS: i change the leverage but I'm still on Isolated mode
[2016-02-20 07:40:46] BTCDJS : spinte7: if you choose cross isolate is off
[2016-02-20 07:41:17] spinte7 : but how do I choose cross? I don't have that checkbox anymore
[2016-02-20 07:42:11] rapidtrades : in the order panel there are points u can choose....cross 1x 5x etc...
[2016-02-20 07:42:27] rapidtrades : I think clicking on that? but I haven't tested it
[2016-02-20 07:42:42] BitMEX_Wally : You can click on 'Cross' or drag the slider to 'Cross'
[2016-02-20 07:42:44] rapidtrades : minimize chat if u can't see them
[2016-02-20 07:43:10] BTCDJS : under the colourful bar on the position information and order placing there is an anal bead looking thing. choose the first bead
[2016-02-20 07:43:26] rapidtrades : anal bead kekeke
[2016-02-20 07:44:21] spinte7 : BTCDJS: cross is 0x leverage
[2016-02-20 07:44:32] spinte7 : BTCDJS: I can't go 100x with cross?
[2016-02-20 07:44:41] BTCDJS : on yours it must be
[2016-02-20 07:44:46] BTCDJS : nope
[2016-02-20 07:45:00] BitMEX_Wally : By enabling cross margin it basically puts the position on 100x and then tops it up as needed with your available margin
[2016-02-20 07:45:35] BTCDJS : oh. ok then
[2016-02-20 07:46:09] spinte7 : BitMEX_Wally: ty
[2016-02-20 07:46:14] BTCDJS : spinte7: don't listen to me mate. ill just lead you into a dark ally with anal beads
[2016-02-20 08:13:18] gaoMex : BitMEX_Wally: Login after a week to see the new interface.
[2016-02-20 08:13:43] gaoMex : The ability to adjust margin amount is no loner there?
[2016-02-20 08:13:49] gaoMex : *longer
[2016-02-20 08:14:15] BitMEX_Wally : gaoMex: It is there
[2016-02-20 08:14:24] BitMEX_Wally : If you have a position
[2016-02-20 08:14:50] gaoMex : Previously it was under Open Positions
[2016-02-20 08:15:04] gaoMex : Oh yes, it's there
[2016-02-20 08:15:10] BitMEX_Wally : Turn off Cross Margin
[2016-02-20 08:15:11] gaoMex : sorry I missed it
[2016-02-20 08:56:04] BTCDJS : stop panicking its going to be fine
[2016-02-20 09:20:55] BTCDJS : i fucking hope we can get through this before 24H expires. BitMEX_Wally can't you change it to 48H?
[2016-02-20 09:32:06] BitMEX_Wally : BTCDJS: We will be launching XBT48H soon
[2016-02-20 09:32:22] BTCDJS : cool still 100x
[2016-02-20 09:32:28] BitMEX_Wally : Yes
[2016-02-20 09:32:35] BTCDJS : fantastic
[2016-02-20 09:32:42] BitMEX_Wally : If you go long XBT48H then it will become XBT24H the next day
[2016-02-20 09:32:42] micmix : 0kcoin top 10 up to 46k XBT, highest since Dec. 18th. IMHO expect a big move soon
[2016-02-20 09:32:59] BTCDJS : micmix: i could kiss you
[2016-02-20 09:33:06] cengel : is it a separate contract to trade or just to roll over between XBT24H_0 to XBT24H_1
[2016-02-20 09:33:09] cengel : like the old calendar spreads
[2016-02-20 09:33:14] micmix : BTCDJS: no thanks :-)
[2016-02-20 09:33:49] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, we will look at a calendar spread contract to make it easy to roll
[2016-02-20 09:33:52] BTCDJS : micmix: come here you ?
[2016-02-20 09:35:26] cengel : alright I see, sounds good
[2016-02-20 09:37:14] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: do you have any bots on testnet that place orders and take liquidity? I see a MM running but not sure about anything else.
[2016-02-20 09:37:34] BitMEX_Wally : Yes we run a bot that randomly hits bids/offers
[2016-02-20 09:38:26] micmix : ok, good. market orders or limits only?
[2016-02-20 09:39:38] micmix : just trying to understand how similar it's going to be to the real market
[2016-02-20 09:42:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 4500 @ 429.02
[2016-02-20 09:43:15] JDUB99 : pop-stop-RUN!
[2016-02-20 09:44:14] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: would you mind if I run a bot that will reproduce trades from the live market on testnet?
[2016-02-20 09:44:23] BTCDJS : ?
[2016-02-20 09:45:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 22000 @ 430.23 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-02-20 09:45:08] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: Sure :)
[2016-02-20 09:45:17] BTCDJS : #REKT
[2016-02-20 09:45:33] BTCDJS : #bullrun
[2016-02-20 09:45:36] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: cool, have to mine couple hundreds testnet coins first
[2016-02-20 10:06:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT7D`: Buy 4240 @ 435.46
[2016-02-20 10:09:07] rapidtrades : weeee 431
[2016-02-20 10:12:37] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: are we headed for a correction?
[2016-02-20 10:14:02] BTCDJS : 424 as support?
[2016-02-20 10:16:25] tscha : Sam still sleeping I suppose?
[2016-02-20 10:17:34] TraderStefan : I'm lovin' these UI changes
[2016-02-20 10:20:09] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: corrections are for pussies
[2016-02-20 10:23:19] BTCDJS : dem 1minute candles tho
[2016-02-20 10:25:38] BTCDJS : https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi8vsujkIbLAhUL2xoKHQ2GA1wQjRwIBw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fshapeshift.io%2Fbearwhale.html&psig=AFQjCNHVampkJU1lbXoJDzoKiHzixTyaYw&ust=1456050316214355
[2016-02-20 10:45:42] elmorte : Damn, yous weren't joking....
[2016-02-20 10:46:30] elmorte : Stupid kids wanting to go to a park on a weekend afternoon.
[2016-02-20 10:47:30] BTCDJS : elmorte: spend time with your kids mate. don't be selfish
[2016-02-20 10:47:59] elmorte : I'm joking bud, I'm loving every minute of it
[2016-02-20 10:48:29] tscha : lol
[2016-02-20 10:48:56] BTCDJS : elmorte: ?
[2016-02-20 10:49:08] elmorte : Being facetious, if you like :)
[2016-02-20 10:53:28] zanza : rapidtrades: you been short ?
[2016-02-20 10:53:59] rapidtrades : lol?
[2016-02-20 10:54:27] zanza : did you lose money?
[2016-02-20 10:54:34] rapidtrades : loool
[2016-02-20 10:54:50] rapidtrades : are u srs...
[2016-02-20 10:55:18] rapidtrades : not sure if he's serious fellas
[2016-02-20 10:55:52] habibi : zanza: whats ur biggest position here was?
[2016-02-20 10:55:56] BTCDJS : i don't know how one could just arrive and assume such a thing
[2016-02-20 10:57:16] rapidtrades : I don't know either
[2016-02-20 10:58:41] BTCDJS : are there any female traders here? some of these nicknames seem feminine to me
[2016-02-20 10:59:18] BTCDJS : btw i think its short city
[2016-02-20 10:59:28] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: it's not
[2016-02-20 11:01:44] BitMEX_Wally : There are quite a few users with real names that look feminine
[2016-02-20 11:02:12] BitMEX_Wally : The majority of traders do not use the troll box
[2016-02-20 11:02:23] rapidtrades : ARE HOT CHICKS HERE
[2016-02-20 11:02:29] thehawthorne : HEHEHEHE
[2016-02-20 11:02:50] rapidtrades : just started R/BITMEXDATING
[2016-02-20 11:03:10] BTCDJS : lol
[2016-02-20 11:06:30] BitMEX_Wally : BitMEX... find a perfect match. Not just for your orders
[2016-02-20 11:07:54] rapidtrades : WHERE'S MY GREEN DILDO
[2016-02-20 11:08:48] Tulip_stefan : The quality in the trollbox seems inversely related to the price lately.
[2016-02-20 11:09:28] BTCDJS : Tulip_stefan: i disagree. the banter is always top notch
[2016-02-20 11:24:47] elmorte : BTCDJS: +1
[2016-02-20 11:25:10] cengel : @BitMex_Wally a majority dont use the trollbox so why force it to be visible?
[2016-02-20 11:25:17] cengel : isn't that more reason to just let people check a box in settings to not display trollbox?
[2016-02-20 11:25:33] BitMEX_Wally : You can minimise it
[2016-02-20 11:25:44] BTCDJS : https://twitter.com/Lord_Ashdrake/status/701003886807617537
[2016-02-20 11:26:13] rapidtrades : god bless America
[2016-02-20 11:26:21] cengel : @bitmex_wally that's like forcing you to run Solitaire all day and just telling you 'lol, minimise it' instead of just being able to close it
[2016-02-20 11:27:16] rapidtrades : can u believe this f guy
[2016-02-20 11:27:41] BTCDJS : WT actual F?
[2016-02-20 11:27:46] elmorte : I didn't open the trollbox for two weeks, until I accidentally stumbled upon it on mobile
[2016-02-20 11:28:18] elmorte : Been hooked since, so I agree with @cengel ...shut it down Wallu
[2016-02-20 11:28:23] elmorte : Y
[2016-02-20 11:28:45] cengel : it must be deeply intertangled in the code if it's that much of a hassle to remove it, makes no sense otherwise to be so opposed to the option to remove it
[2016-02-20 11:29:00] elmorte : Sorry, one handed typing
[2016-02-20 11:29:29] habibi : https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/700997980527022080 good rumors
[2016-02-20 11:29:32] thehawthorne : the only one opposed is you cengel
[2016-02-20 11:29:57] Tulip_stefan : personally i don't see the big difference between 'minimize it' and 'remove it' but that might be just me.. If you really want to get rid of it, custom css.
[2016-02-20 11:30:07] cengel : stefan stop saying that when it doesn't work
[2016-02-20 11:30:24] Tulip_stefan : give me 5 minutes. I suck at css but i'm sure i can figure it out.
[2016-02-20 11:30:38] cengel : we've already been through this earlier the element doesn't cleanly remove without mucking the whole UI up
[2016-02-20 11:30:51] cengel : which is probably why they don't want to let us remove it as an option
[2016-02-20 11:30:51] thehawthorne : just take a sheet of paper a scissor and some glue
[2016-02-20 11:30:56] thehawthorne : voila trollbox gone
[2016-02-20 11:31:43] elmorte : To be frank, he's not asking for much, and my name's not even Frank
[2016-02-20 11:31:51] BitMEX_Wally : For someone who wants the trollbox gone, you seem to spend a lot of time chatting in it
[2016-02-20 11:31:59] elmorte : Lo
[2016-02-20 11:32:02] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Wally: thats what i said
[2016-02-20 11:32:03] thehawthorne : HUEHUEHUE#
[2016-02-20 11:32:04] elmorte : L
[2016-02-20 11:32:14] cengel : it's okay Wally it's probably too hard for you to code removing it. no problem.
[2016-02-20 11:32:24] rapidtrades : dam
[2016-02-20 11:32:32] elmorte : Shots fired!
[2016-02-20 11:32:33] BTCDJS : cengel: don't be a douche pleb
[2016-02-20 11:32:36] thehawthorne : and btw he is NOT complaining at all
[2016-02-20 11:32:54] BitMEX_Wally : If the minimised troll box bothers you so much then send an email to support@bitmex.com with a feature request
[2016-02-20 11:33:03] BitMEX_Wally : But we will only implement it if you stop talking in the trollbox
[2016-02-20 11:33:10] BitMEX_Wally : From now on
[2016-02-20 11:33:21] rapidtrades : fair rules
[2016-02-20 11:33:21] cengel : the request has been ignored long enough so i'm not going to bother
[2016-02-20 11:33:29] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Wally: thats clever
[2016-02-20 11:33:33] BitMEX_Wally : I'm offering you a deal
[2016-02-20 11:33:37] cengel : i'm refusing the deal
[2016-02-20 11:33:49] habibi : can we get back to "hating new ui" talk? thats was fun, now its getting sad
[2016-02-20 11:33:54] BTCDJS : cengel: dude
[2016-02-20 11:33:59] rapidtrades : WHAT A SURPRISE @cengel
[2016-02-20 11:34:22] cengel : what I've asked is completely reasonable, troll me all you want
[2016-02-20 11:34:37] BTCDJS : cengel: actually its not
[2016-02-20 11:34:38] thehawthorne : to whom it may concern: i enjoy this
[2016-02-20 11:35:03] habibi : where are litcoin contracts BitMEX_Wally?
[2016-02-20 11:35:07] BTCDJS : cengel: my 13 year old daughter comes up with stuff like this.
[2016-02-20 11:35:10] thehawthorne : troll in trollbox... never!...wait
[2016-02-20 11:35:35] tscha : I agree with cengel a little bit because the minimized trollbox is still distracting since the "missed messages" counter is always changing
[2016-02-20 11:35:49] BitMEX_Arthur : habibi: We delisted them
[2016-02-20 11:35:51] BitMEX_Arthur : for lack of interest
[2016-02-20 11:35:59] habibi : ah ok
[2016-02-20 11:36:09] Tulip_stefan : here, custom css to remove the trollbox: http://pastebin.com/SK50rm6Z
[2016-02-20 11:36:12] thehawthorne : yea i get distracted by birds flying around too, shoot them