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[2016-02-20 11:36:16] Tulip_stefan : paste in greasemoney script.
[2016-02-20 11:36:38] BTCDJS : thehawthorne: lol
[2016-02-20 11:36:38] Tulip_stefan : took met 6 minutes. Longer than expected.
[2016-02-20 11:37:33] rapidtrades : goodbye cenges
[2016-02-20 11:38:07] SnackyCoins : BitMEX_Arthur: I think in the UI shakeup we lost the ability to click on our current position in order to autofill that value into the quantity box. Can this functionality be restored?
[2016-02-20 11:38:16] SnackyCoins : (or has it moved?)
[2016-02-20 11:38:56] tscha : +1
[2016-02-20 11:39:01] zanza : *23
[2016-02-20 11:39:07] tscha : no, it's gone, you are right
[2016-02-20 11:39:14] BitMEX_Arthur : Doesn't seem that is enabled, we are getting a lot of feedback, please shoot an email to support@bitmex.com so we can have a paper trail
[2016-02-20 11:39:29] BitMEX_Arthur : if there is something that has been removed that you would like put back in
[2016-02-20 11:39:53] cengel : @Tulip_stefan nice! great job. when me and the other guy earlier were playing with it we took a different approach, thank you
[2016-02-20 11:40:10] thehawthorne : how can you say
[2016-02-20 11:40:10] SnackyCoins : kk :)
[2016-02-20 11:40:12] Tulip_stefan : happy to help.
[2016-02-20 11:40:21] thehawthorne : if you have it running now
[2016-02-20 11:40:27] thehawthorne : !?!?!?!?!!?!!?
[2016-02-20 11:40:30] thehawthorne : HUEHUEHUE
[2016-02-20 11:41:17] BTCDJS : LTC is making a move!?
[2016-02-20 11:41:20] cengel : @Tulip_stefan provide a bitcoin address so i can send you a beer
[2016-02-20 11:43:01] Tulip_stefan : i don't drink beer but whatever: 1C7NfWE3LWa62kBLPuXg5my4aip1UqJPrz
[2016-02-20 11:43:11] BTCDJS : broke through barrier ?
[2016-02-20 11:43:17] habibi : shiet, thats some magic. sending bear directly into btc adress
[2016-02-20 11:44:15] Tulip_stefan : be careful, or i'll punch you over TCP/IP.
[2016-02-20 11:44:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH16`: Buy 28675 @ 458.41 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-02-20 11:45:30] BTCDJS : lets go ?
[2016-02-20 11:46:27] thehawthorne : HUEHUE
[2016-02-20 11:48:19] cengel : @tulip_stefan well buy some potatos then instead. thanks again
[2016-02-20 11:48:44] Tulip_stefan : beer-money received.
[2016-02-20 11:48:46] BTCDJS : cengel: well I guess this is goodbye. All the best
[2016-02-20 11:49:17] cengel : peace out trolls. as you were.
[2016-02-20 11:50:04] BTCDJS : ?
[2016-02-20 11:57:31] BTCDJS : cengel: I thought you were leaving us?
[2016-02-20 11:58:36] thehawthorne : he is in love with the coco
[2016-02-20 11:59:00] BitMEX_Arthur : Baking soda, I got baking soda
[2016-02-20 11:59:30] thehawthorne : O_O
[2016-02-20 12:01:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 337 @ 433.70
[2016-02-20 12:02:34] BTCDJS : he's still here!?
[2016-02-20 12:09:06] rapidtrades : making too much money to care
[2016-02-20 12:09:11] habibi : china <3
[2016-02-20 12:09:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 1000 @ 433.65
[2016-02-20 12:09:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 4000 @ 433.41
[2016-02-20 12:09:53] gustavo7 : lol
[2016-02-20 12:12:36] hashman : can we have LTC back now?
[2016-02-20 12:16:10] hashman : please
[2016-02-20 12:17:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 2546 @ 433.84
[2016-02-20 12:17:53] gustavo7 : why is LTC pumping?
[2016-02-20 12:18:34] BTCDJS : its looking for attention because bitcoin is getting all the glory
[2016-02-20 12:20:18] salcon : лайты убрали из торгов?
[2016-02-20 12:27:00] Tulip_stefan : According to my backtester, which has failed me many times in the past, my strategy nets met 5 BTC profit in 2 months when trading with a position size of a maximum of 1000 contracts. Let's see how that turns out in practice...
[2016-02-20 12:31:42] REKT : Close your longs, close your shorts, choppy waters ahead!
[2016-02-20 12:31:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 16 @ 0.01016
[2016-02-20 12:31:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 3 @ 0.01016 :punch: :whale:
[2016-02-20 12:52:42] viptrader : what we trading today
[2016-02-20 12:52:53] viptrader : thoughts on the next move
[2016-02-20 12:53:33] BTCDJS : viptrader: i reckon short XBT at 235ish
[2016-02-20 12:54:49] habibi : i think 160 is not the bottom, we can go futher down
[2016-02-20 12:56:53] BTCDJS : habibi: you think bitcoin is going down that far??
[2016-02-20 12:57:08] habibi : just joking
[2016-02-20 12:57:23] BTCDJS : f hell i thought you must have been
[2016-02-20 12:57:40] BTCDJS : but i wasn't sure if you were talking about something else
[2016-02-20 12:57:52] BTCDJS : ?
[2016-02-20 13:09:24] mrp1nk : todays recommendation: btfd
[2016-02-20 13:17:27] viptrader : todays recommendation
[2016-02-20 13:17:42] viptrader : dont listen to anyone recommendation
[2016-02-20 13:18:04] habibi : so many new traders in trollbox these days shiet.
[2016-02-20 13:19:02] viptrader : habibi: hello , turn on the shisha
[2016-02-20 13:19:31] habibi : Hey man, good to have u here;)
[2016-02-20 13:21:58] BTCDJS : trust me. I know what I'm doing
[2016-02-20 13:22:31] cryptostephen : Do u guys have a section of my account where I can see total account balance over history?
[2016-02-20 13:22:44] cryptostephen : Like how much I've made on this account since creation?
[2016-02-20 13:23:00] BTCDJS : click on your total balance upper right
[2016-02-20 13:23:38] BitMEX_Arthur : If you click on Account, then Wallet, you will see all cash transactions on your account
[2016-02-20 13:24:39] BTCDJS : thats too many clicks. mines quicker ?
[2016-02-20 13:25:52] BTCDJS : viptrader: i was joking by the way. you can't sense the tone in text ?
[2016-02-20 13:33:07] cryptostephen : Made 300% on my 100x long last night lol
[2016-02-20 13:33:38] cryptostephen : but my withdrawal still says I need to click the email conf even tho I already did they
[2016-02-20 13:35:15] cryptostephen : Just read ur withdrawal policy. I see u do withdrawals all at once
[2016-02-20 13:36:02] BitMEX_Arthur : cryptostephen: Yes once daily at 13 UTC
[2016-02-20 13:47:52] 00Smurf : you should add a net sum and net loss, that tracks your %gain or loss over time
[2016-02-20 13:47:56] habibi : sometimes they do more othen
[2016-02-20 13:50:27] mrp1nk : seems like consensus reached: https://twitter.com/cnLedger
[2016-02-20 13:51:41] BTCDJS : mrp1nk: not yet
[2016-02-20 13:51:48] BTCDJS : https://twitter.com/Excellion/status/701041152192077827
[2016-02-20 13:52:33] mrp1nk : thx, are you there'?
[2016-02-20 13:53:49] mrp1nk : or is this another guy?
[2016-02-20 13:55:47] BTCDJS : huh?
[2016-02-20 13:56:01] mrp1nk : i mean is this your twitter accound?
[2016-02-20 13:56:06] mrp1nk : account
[2016-02-20 13:56:08] BTCDJS : no
[2016-02-20 14:04:10] rapidtrades : ''no food until consensus''
[2016-02-20 14:04:13] rapidtrades : he ded now
[2016-02-20 14:05:38] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: I think he should just stand up and walk out. What are they going to do about it?
[2016-02-20 14:06:07] BTCDJS : f4ck em
[2016-02-20 14:13:23] BTCDJS : https://twitter.com/Satoshi_N_/status/701045240803815424
[2016-02-20 14:13:55] BTCDJS : ? someone give this man a mcdonnalds
[2016-02-20 14:16:08] Tulip_stefan : It still bugs me that windows media player and windows explorer are the only 2 programs i know that don't implement alt-space handling properly. Really, microsoft?
[2016-02-20 14:29:51] rapidtrades : HOLD THE F LINE
[2016-02-20 14:30:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 200 @ 431.64
[2016-02-20 14:30:07] rapidtrades : or not...your choice
[2016-02-20 14:30:50] rapidtrades : $435 seems an arbitrary top?
[2016-02-20 14:31:02] Tulip_stefan : all tops are arbitrary....
[2016-02-20 14:31:04] rapidtrades : like $445 or $450 makes sense
[2016-02-20 14:31:41] rapidtrades : Tulip_stefan: rly...guess it's a coincidence the November rally stopped right at $500
[2016-02-20 14:32:07] Tulip_stefan : If tops depended merely on how human-readable the number is, i would've exploited that with an algorithm long ago.
[2016-02-20 14:32:29] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-02-20 14:32:39] BTCDJS : i know you don't like technical analysis but 435 is resistance in in a tunnel. and 425 is the new bottom.
[2016-02-20 14:32:54] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: what resistance?
[2016-02-20 14:33:14] rapidtrades : i see nothing between $425 and $450
[2016-02-20 14:33:35] Tulip_stefan : BTCDJS: i like technical analysis. I just don't believe it's better than a dice roll.
[2016-02-20 14:33:59] rapidtrades : Tulip_stefan: u trade on TA, u just don't know what it is
[2016-02-20 14:34:47] BTCDJS : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/tRzEr0Ns-hmmm/
[2016-02-20 14:36:11] Tulip_stefan : top on the 15'th seems awfully arbitrary.
[2016-02-20 14:36:57] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: ok...I don't follow channels
[2016-02-20 14:37:02] rapidtrades : but i see ur point
[2016-02-20 14:37:38] rapidtrades : Tulip_stefan: it wasnt a top
[2016-02-20 14:37:52] rapidtrades : that's why it didn't hold up
[2016-02-20 14:42:24] darius177 : Bitcoin tends to like square numbers that's how it is with almost any market
[2016-02-20 14:43:59] BTCDJS : darius177: huh?
[2016-02-20 14:44:05] rapidtrades : when a partially close a position on finex, does it close the margin funding with the highest interest rate?
[2016-02-20 14:44:11] sleger : by square he means something else
[2016-02-20 14:44:19] rapidtrades : round?
[2016-02-20 14:44:28] sleger : most likely
[2016-02-20 14:44:36] sleger : now i dont want to pretend to read minds
[2016-02-20 14:44:42] sleger : even for me that would be a stretch
[2016-02-20 14:44:46] Tulip_stefan : i used human-readable to keep the definition as open as possible.
[2016-02-20 14:45:29] BTCDJS : is that 10k order somebody trying to get out?
[2016-02-20 14:45:45] rapidtrades : nope
[2016-02-20 14:45:48] habibi : 10k what and where?
[2016-02-20 14:45:53] rapidtrades : gone
[2016-02-20 14:46:09] BTCDJS : 432.07 buy order
[2016-02-20 14:46:14] Tulip_stefan : 432.07 10000
[2016-02-20 14:46:20] rapidtrades : get out from what?
[2016-02-20 14:46:29] sleger : Tulip_stefan: instead of buying your algo I would propose something along the lines of : you give me an executable with some datetime where it stops working, I decide which capital I put and we slowly increase risk as it builds pnl, you update the executable if you think its worth it, and when I make 3btc I give you 1, when I make 6 I give you 2 etc... ?
[2016-02-20 14:47:01] rapidtrades : he's not selling? is he?
[2016-02-20 14:47:06] BTCDJS : oh shit i thought of that the wrong way round duh
[2016-02-20 14:47:10] rapidtrades : I never saw him shill
[2016-02-20 14:47:50] Tulip_stefan : my current support structure is a lifetime license but you don't receive updates after X time.
[2016-02-20 14:47:57] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-02-20 14:47:59] rapidtrades : gtfo
[2016-02-20 14:48:33] Tulip_stefan : the original idea was that that algoithms have a limited lifetime, but our current algo has far exceeded it's expected lifetime.
[2016-02-20 14:48:37] sleger : Tulip_stefan: yes but I dont want to give you 5btc upfront, but we can work out a deal where I start for a short time with small capital, if I like the returns I increase etc... and we can even work out something where you can get more than 5 btc if I make enough
[2016-02-20 14:49:01] rapidtrades : u sell ur algo for 5 btc....REALLY
[2016-02-20 14:49:04] rapidtrades : REALLY?
[2016-02-20 14:49:07] rapidtrades : for 2k?
[2016-02-20 14:49:12] rapidtrades : 2,000 big ones?
[2016-02-20 14:49:25] rapidtrades : 2,000 greenbacks?
[2016-02-20 14:49:31] rapidtrades : 2,000 $1 bills?
[2016-02-20 14:49:41] rapidtrades : that's like a used car
[2016-02-20 14:49:41] sleger : if you trust your algo we can work something out where I end up paying you much more, but I want to see some returns first and not get scammed out of 5 btc
[2016-02-20 14:49:44] habibi : 2k contracts without leverage
[2016-02-20 14:49:45] rapidtrades : are u crazy?
[2016-02-20 14:50:01] sleger : rapidtrades: in the US used cars go for 2k USD ?
[2016-02-20 14:50:23] rapidtrades : I think everywhere used cars go for 2k
[2016-02-20 14:50:29] BTCDJS : yep
[2016-02-20 14:50:35] BTCDJS : i can confirm that
[2016-02-20 14:50:41] rapidtrades : ^
[2016-02-20 14:50:44] rapidtrades : he's from everywhere
[2016-02-20 14:50:45] Tulip_stefan : i don't buy into 'i'll pay you X% of my profit' schemed. First, it makes my venue profitable even if the algorithm did not work due to random walk effects. Second, profit is notoriously hard to define. I figured it out, but i'm pretty sure my method is unique. Blog post coming soon.
[2016-02-20 14:50:48] sleger : My first used car was around 60k...
[2016-02-20 14:51:16] rapidtrades : a car for normal ppl
[2016-02-20 14:51:17] BTCDJS : sleger: WTF
[2016-02-20 14:51:31] BTCDJS : USD?
[2016-02-20 14:51:32] habibi : my biggest position here was 60k contracts
[2016-02-20 14:51:34] sleger : Tulip_stefan: i offer you a no risk for you trial : give me an executable that can trade max 0.1 btc if you want and stops after one week
[2016-02-20 14:51:52] BTCDJS : habibi: what price?
[2016-02-20 14:52:03] sleger : if we are both happy (i pay you some parts) then we do it again for one week with 1btc max .... if it looks good i can put hundreds and you can make more
[2016-02-20 14:52:28] 00Smurf : eth dumping
[2016-02-20 14:52:31] habibi : sleger u really take respect to ur money, nice :)
[2016-02-20 14:52:35] sleger : BTCDJS: yes usd although it was in euros at the time so maybe a bit more than 60 actually
[2016-02-20 14:53:01] Tulip_stefan : sleger: i'm sure you will be disappointed. Due to random walk effects, i can't guarantee that you'll make a profit in one week. Or even one month. I had a few months with a few percent loss according to our profit calculations.
[2016-02-20 14:53:04] BTCDJS : what was it? a bently? rolls royce?
[2016-02-20 14:53:07] rapidtrades : u prolly paid 50% in taxes u filthy commie @sleger
[2016-02-20 14:53:12] sleger : Tulip_stefan: I run my own algos but I like diversification
[2016-02-20 14:53:23] rapidtrades : Tulip_stefan: lol that#s some shitty algo
[2016-02-20 14:53:28] sleger : BTCDJS: maserati
[2016-02-20 14:53:52] habibi : Tulip_stefan: so why da fuck u selling that lel?
[2016-02-20 14:53:54] sleger : Tulip_stefan: well then give me an exe that trades 0.1btc max for 2 months
[2016-02-20 14:54:02] Tulip_stefan : rapidtrades: this 'shitty algo' made ~150% profit last year.
[2016-02-20 14:54:46] sleger : Tulip_stefan: I am happy to be patient, and there is no risk for you. It just doesnt make sense to sell a profitable algo for a fixed price unless its a scam. I offer you something more reasonable
[2016-02-20 14:55:53] BTCDJS : Tulip_stefan: do what coincide does. they trade on your platform but only take profit if you make profit
[2016-02-20 14:56:13] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 49 @ 0.00996
[2016-02-20 14:56:14] BTCDJS : coincube ffs coincube.io
[2016-02-20 14:56:23] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 20 @ 0.00994
[2016-02-20 14:56:54] BTCDJS : they have a supposed fancy algorithm called wave
[2016-02-20 14:57:04] Tulip_stefan : habibi: i'm not selling mainly for the money. It's more fun if i have a few customers even if it isn't finalcially attractive.
[2016-02-20 14:57:28] BTCDJS : it shorted went long on btw when it was shorting. maybe yours is better
[2016-02-20 14:57:53] BTCDJS : it went long when bitcoin was shorting
[2016-02-20 14:58:02] Tulip_stefan : sleger: i'll think about it. Currently our bot doesn't allow the kind of restrictions you're proposing because i don't want to encumber it with poorly working DRM. It uses a simple licencing scheme powered by the blockchain.
[2016-02-20 14:59:01] Tulip_stefan : BTCDJS: 'we only make profit if you profit' is honestly a scam.
[2016-02-20 14:59:20] rapidtrades : Tulip_stefan: 150% during a bull year for BTC doesn't say much
[2016-02-20 14:59:21] sleger : Tulip_stefan: well then you should be delighted, because you will get feedback from an algo trader, might help you even more. Think about it but I dont need any contract / agreement etc... we just do a week / month whatever at a time and we can both break the deal whenever. I couldnt care less about 0.1btc profit but before i invest hundreds I want to see it work on small scale
[2016-02-20 14:59:26] rapidtrades : what is the risk per tade
[2016-02-20 14:59:44] Tulip_stefan : low.
[2016-02-20 14:59:49] Tulip_stefan : because graphs are pretty: anyway because graphs are pretty: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18772348/images/profit%20alltime..png
[2016-02-20 14:59:57] rapidtrades : lol HOW MUCH
[2016-02-20 14:59:58] sleger : Tulip_stefan: publish daily pnl on your website ?
[2016-02-20 15:00:15] sleger : ah ok this graph works
[2016-02-20 15:00:22] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: ? sounds reasonable
[2016-02-20 15:00:38] rapidtrades : u were quick to shit out 150% gains but u can't say what the risk is
[2016-02-20 15:01:08] Tulip_stefan : we trade only on the spot market. I don't do risk management because it isn't necessary. Frankly, i have no idea how to define 'risk'
[2016-02-20 15:01:10] sleger : Tulip_stefan: whats that pic down in may 2015 ?
[2016-02-20 15:01:22] Tulip_stefan : let me check.
[2016-02-20 15:01:41] sleger : looks like a bad price/tick
[2016-02-20 15:01:55] habibi : funny, the more u loose at some point the faster u recover
[2016-02-20 15:02:44] sleger : habibi: thats normal look at btc price at this point, he was short most likely
[2016-02-20 15:02:54] rapidtrades : i don't do risk management because it's not necessary
[2016-02-20 15:03:04] habibi : i thought he trades spots only
[2016-02-20 15:03:05] rapidtrades : that tells u all u need to do about this joker
[2016-02-20 15:03:30] Tulip_stefan : I manually remove bad ticks because the exchange's api doesn't allow atomic readouts of the balance. But i think i missed that one. Can't find which exchange it is right now.
[2016-02-20 15:03:33] rapidtrades : random walker...walk the f*ck outta here
[2016-02-20 15:03:52] BTCDJS : lol
[2016-02-20 15:04:21] rapidtrades : i can tell u right now that ur risk was way too high, so 150% is nothing special in a year bitcoin gained 60%
[2016-02-20 15:04:30] sleger : Tulip_stefan: is this graph at constant risk / capital ?
[2016-02-20 15:05:02] sleger : rapidtrades: his graph has 2014 ?
[2016-02-20 15:05:09] sleger : what did bitcoin do in 2014 ?
[2016-02-20 15:05:35] Tulip_stefan : sleger: that graph is is the total amount of profit since inception. I started with 0.1 LTC but didn't collect data until i had 1 BTC.
[2016-02-20 15:05:42] habibi : Tulip_stefan: but u trades spots only without lvl right?
[2016-02-20 15:05:51] Tulip_stefan : habibi: spot only no leverage.
[2016-02-20 15:05:59] habibi : so basically no shorts
[2016-02-20 15:06:31] rapidtrades : and he made 150% last year...i'm shocked
[2016-02-20 15:06:41] sleger : Tulip_stefan: but you reinvest your profits to increase risk ?
[2016-02-20 15:06:58] Tulip_stefan : rapidtrades: i didn't tell you how i defined that 150%. I defined it as profit versus the average trader on the market. If bitcoin rises 100% and so does my algorithm, i tell myself that i only made 50%.
[2016-02-20 15:07:07] sleger : rapidtrades: what about the first half of the graph : 2014 ?
[2016-02-20 15:07:57] rapidtrades : profit is useless without risk, it's two sides of the same coin @sleger
[2016-02-20 15:08:47] Tulip_stefan : measured in usd, i went from ~$5500 to ~$17000 in 2015. I don't have the exact numbers, i'm just eyeballing my charts. That's what i call "150% profit".
[2016-02-20 15:09:33] rapidtrades : anyway I'll let u guys chat, I already made up my mind
[2016-02-20 15:09:52] sleger : Tulip_stefan: your graph looks linear but you reinvest your profits, so your alpha is actually decaying pretty fast, ie if you play constant risk you would make less and less as time goes by
[2016-02-20 15:10:13] Tulip_stefan : rapidtrades: i must have missed that. Your opinion is?
[2016-02-20 15:11:25] rapidtrades : i would never put my money in smth without risk control
[2016-02-20 15:12:41] Tulip_stefan : how would you control risk if your algorithm tells you that the price rises? By buying less? Here's my idea on risk control: put less money on that exchange, and there is less risk.
[2016-02-20 15:13:28] rapidtrades : doesn't the algo give exit points as well? at the time of entry?
[2016-02-20 15:14:36] Tulip_stefan : nope.
[2016-02-20 15:14:48] rapidtrades : well that's just great
[2016-02-20 15:15:15] rapidtrades : here's a simple exercise
[2016-02-20 15:15:20] rapidtrades : say entry-exit price is $20...if ur balalnce is 1000 and u set a max risk of 2%, u can buy 2 BTC max...
[2016-02-20 15:15:42] rapidtrades : I'm sorry 1 btc
[2016-02-20 15:15:52] Tulip_stefan : yup.
[2016-02-20 15:18:08] Tulip_stefan : sleger: i reinvest pretty much all my profits.
[2016-02-20 15:18:35] sleger : your alpha is decaying then
[2016-02-20 15:19:19] Tulip_stefan : that depends. My current algo is running since mid-2014. My chars actually show an increasing alpha.
[2016-02-20 15:19:41] Tulip_stefan : let me post another chart, one moment.
[2016-02-20 15:19:51] sleger : Tulip_stefan: no it does not depend. You reinvest your profits, if your alpha is constand then your equity curve should be exponential
[2016-02-20 15:20:03] sleger : constant alpha, constant capital = linear equity curve
[2016-02-20 15:20:10] Tulip_stefan : i get your point, one moment.
[2016-02-20 15:22:14] Tulip_stefan : https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18772348/images/shannon%20profit%201m%20annotated.png
[2016-02-20 15:22:48] Tulip_stefan : date's retrieved from memory, might not be fully accurate. The Y axis is the profit over a rolling window of one month.
[2016-02-20 15:23:39] sleger : well your profit stays the same because you increase your risk/capital by reinvesting pnl
[2016-02-20 15:23:49] sleger : that doesnt bring anything more than the first chart
[2016-02-20 15:23:51] Johnny1989 : i have a question ,saturday and sunday market runing ?????
[2016-02-20 15:24:02] rapidtrades : looooool
[2016-02-20 15:24:05] Tulip_stefan : The Y axis is profit in percentage over the currently invested capital.
[2016-02-20 15:24:05] sleger : Johnny1989: marathon yes
[2016-02-20 15:24:12] BTCDJS : Johnny1989: yes
[2016-02-20 15:24:23] rapidtrades : Johnny1989: I Exntended it but only for this weekened
[2016-02-20 15:24:29] Johnny1989 : thanks you
[2016-02-20 15:24:34] rapidtrades : no problem
[2016-02-20 15:24:56] BTCDJS : thanks rapid
[2016-02-20 15:25:30] rapidtrades : hey u know me, I only care about the greater good
[2016-02-20 15:25:31] Swedishnut : sweet update guys!
[2016-02-20 15:25:41] sleger : Tulip_stefan: for the first graph as well ? it was divided by capital ?
[2016-02-20 15:26:03] Tulip_stefan : the first chart had an X axis in bitcoin.
[2016-02-20 15:26:21] sleger : Y axis, ok
[2016-02-20 15:26:31] Tulip_stefan : yup. Sorry
[2016-02-20 15:27:02] Johnny1989 : i dont know today why i buy and sell 5 quantity but dont have anything happen with my blance
[2016-02-20 15:27:11] sleger : then i dont understand why the first one can be linear while the second is more or less constant
[2016-02-20 15:27:15] Johnny1989 : all filled
[2016-02-20 15:27:37] rapidtrades : what did u fill? long or short?
[2016-02-20 15:27:55] Johnny1989 : long
[2016-02-20 15:28:00] rapidtrades : f*ck
[2016-02-20 15:28:18] BTCDJS : Johnny1989: oooh are you sure you want to do that?
[2016-02-20 15:28:36] Tulip_stefan : sleger: the first chart is in BTC, the second chart is using my own profit indicator which is kind a hybrid btc/usd. Remember that the BTC price rose sharply near the end of 2015.
[2016-02-20 15:28:39] Johnny1989 : i only trade for testing
[2016-02-20 15:28:41] BTCDJS : just kidding :)
[2016-02-20 15:28:51] Tulip_stefan : let me see if i can replicate the first chart with an USD Y axis.
[2016-02-20 15:28:52] Johnny1989 : i dont know anything about this style trade
[2016-02-20 15:29:13] Johnny1989 : i long and short , but still dont have anything with my blance
[2016-02-20 15:29:16] BTCDJS : i was just messing with you man
[2016-02-20 15:29:17] sleger : Tulip_stefan: ok then it would look more exponential
[2016-02-20 15:29:56] BTCDJS : Johnny1989: you can't go long and short at the same time if thats what you mean
[2016-02-20 15:30:33] blackwhite : I see most of recent trades are Sell in 24H. Do you guys think we are at the top?
[2016-02-20 15:30:47] rapidtrades : nah
[2016-02-20 15:30:54] habibi : wait for consensus official statement
[2016-02-20 15:31:03] rapidtrades : noone cares
[2016-02-20 15:31:06] blackwhite : when is it due?
[2016-02-20 15:31:25] Johnny1989 : all my trade have been remove when i login after
[2016-02-20 15:31:34] Johnny1989 : i dont know why :(
[2016-02-20 15:31:45] justinlooking : am no longer bullish af
[2016-02-20 15:32:05] chromaticcr : because it is a future contract, and future contracts settles at a specific distant time @Johnny1989
[2016-02-20 15:32:36] blackwhite : "One interesting point is how there is [almost] no one from the Bitcoin Classic team at the conference to present their views on the block size debate."
[2016-02-20 15:32:56] BTCDJS : blackwhite: hmm is that so?
[2016-02-20 15:33:07] Tulip_stefan : blackwhite: because their opinions are already clear, i guess.
[2016-02-20 15:33:11] Johnny1989 : :((( to hard i can't understand it :(
[2016-02-20 15:33:17] rapidtrades : ok if u guys gonna talk about core/classic time for me to tune out
[2016-02-20 15:33:48] Johnny1989 : now , i will test click. buy a quantity
[2016-02-20 15:33:51] Tulip_stefan : sleger: this is the same chart as the first one, but with an USD Y axis: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18772348/images/profit%20alltime%20usd.png
[2016-02-20 15:34:15] chromaticcr : eg, when you look at the order panel > contract details, there is an item called expiry
[2016-02-20 15:34:15] sleger : Tulip_stefan: ok i understand
[2016-02-20 15:34:39] Tulip_stefan : i'm not sure about the funy rise in aug 2014, my bookkeeping mustn't have been fully accurate back then.
[2016-02-20 15:34:44] Tulip_stefan : funky*
[2016-02-20 15:34:48] blackwhite : rapidtrades: no idea wars, I am only citing from the news paper. Interested in the next price move.
[2016-02-20 15:34:50] chromaticcr : @Johnny1989 it is not like where you buy it and you can hold it for indefinite length of time
[2016-02-20 15:35:29] justinlooking : Johnny1989: futures are called futures because you're trading the price in the future! be mindful that if you carry a position all the way to the future's expiry, your position gets closed at the settle price
[2016-02-20 15:35:56] sleger : Tulip_stefan: if you want to move forward you could definitely make more if the strategy is scalable, let me know.
[2016-02-20 15:36:24] rapidtrades : sleger: how did u make ur money?
[2016-02-20 15:36:39] BTCDJS : del boy
[2016-02-20 15:36:55] Tulip_stefan : sleger: this is also why i said that it is notoriously hard to define profits. If your algo does random trades and the bitcoin prise rises, some will claim that you've made a profit. The reverse is true when the price drops for people that measure profits in BTC.
[2016-02-20 15:37:00] sleger : rapidtrades: mostly as a salaried worker
[2016-02-20 15:37:02] chromaticcr : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d1oITE3jDI You may want to have a look at the tutorial video by BitMEX CEO
[2016-02-20 15:37:09] Johnny1989 : thank you all friend , i will read more about this style
[2016-02-20 15:37:20] Tulip_stefan : i'm also a lowly salaried worker.
[2016-02-20 15:38:44] justinlooking : and me
[2016-02-20 15:39:07] sleger : Tulip_stefan: your algo seems to aim at making btc profit, but thats easy to hedge if you care about $ profit
[2016-02-20 15:40:07] Tulip_stefan : sleger: my algorithm does not make a distinction between entering and exiting a position. It it appears to aim at BTC profit, i attribute that to luck. Entry and exit is done using exactly the same calculations.
[2016-02-20 15:40:26] sleger : Tulip_stefan: totally understand, I do mostly the same
[2016-02-20 15:40:50] BTCDJS : https://twitter.com/Excellion/status/701064496677265409
[2016-02-20 15:41:07] sleger : Let's try it with a tiny size, just limit my max position / order size and make the executable not trade after a date shortly in the future. That's easy to code
[2016-02-20 15:41:49] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: i think price is probably moving sidewards and up. do you concur?
[2016-02-20 15:41:49] Tulip_stefan : Since the licence lives on the blockchain i can already revoke it at will :)
[2016-02-20 15:41:53] sleger : If it works we will increase and work out payout as profits reach certain levels
[2016-02-20 15:43:38] Tulip_stefan : i wasn't sure, but you mentioned that you run bots too? How is that working out?
[2016-02-20 15:43:59] sleger : great but its not the same kind, I run mostly hft / market making
[2016-02-20 15:44:16] sleger : I cant run them with hundreds of btc
[2016-02-20 15:44:55] Tulip_stefan : what's your profits like? I haven't spent much time on market making, i quickly dismissed the idea once i realized how much competition there was.
[2016-02-20 15:45:49] sleger : in terms of return on capital ? stupidly high, around 1000% per month
[2016-02-20 15:46:59] Tulip_stefan : here or on btc or altcoin spot markets?
[2016-02-20 15:47:09] sleger : btc in general
[2016-02-20 15:47:36] sleger : i dont make much here, havent spent much time working on it as I make more on other exchanges
[2016-02-20 15:48:09] Tulip_stefan : i was planning on rolling out here today but i was distracted...
[2016-02-20 15:49:02] sleger : why do you need to trade here if you trade once a day ?
[2016-02-20 15:50:00] Tulip_stefan : the markets at bitmex seem more inefficient than elsewhere, and diversifying is a good idea.
[2016-02-20 15:54:51] Tulip_stefan : i would like to hear more about your approach. Should we go somewhere more private?
[2016-02-20 15:55:29] habibi : tell that to sleger and next day he will fly to ur place
[2016-02-20 15:57:55] sleger : Tulip_stefan: you have an email ?
[2016-02-20 15:58:51] Tulip_stefan : use our company mail: tuliphft@gmail.com
[2016-02-20 15:59:06] Tulip_stefan : using google chat is probably faster than emailing.
[2016-02-20 15:59:24] sleger : emailed you from an address starting with "AL"
[2016-02-20 16:00:04] Tulip_stefan : yeah i see it.
[2016-02-20 16:01:11] Tulip_stefan : where the hell did google chat controls go?
[2016-02-20 16:02:53] sleger : Tulip_stefan: cant do hangouts, email only
[2016-02-20 16:03:27] Tulip_stefan : i don't need hangouts. My webcam it taped anyway.
[2016-02-20 16:05:37] sleger : Tulip_stefan: cant chat as well, email now, i dont have time right now, we can set a private chat on chatzy.com or something another time
[2016-02-20 16:05:59] Tulip_stefan : yea sure i'm writting an email.
[2016-02-20 16:13:58] BTCDJS : thunderbirds are a go ?
[2016-02-20 16:25:47] 00Smurf : how long is withheld profit, withheld?
[2016-02-20 16:26:05] habibi : stamenet any minute
[2016-02-20 16:26:07] habibi : or maybe minites
[2016-02-20 16:27:09] sleger : habibi: any link ?
[2016-02-20 16:27:26] habibi : https://twitter.com/Excellion/\
[2016-02-20 16:27:30] habibi : https://twitter.com/cnLedger
[2016-02-20 16:27:46] ayy lmao : 00Smurf, i haven't payed attention to it recently, but from my memory it is released during settlement
[2016-02-20 16:29:11] rapidtrades : here we go again fellas!
[2016-02-20 16:29:13] BTCDJS : ?
[2016-02-20 16:29:40] rapidtrades : let's blow the roof of this b1tch sky high
[2016-02-20 16:30:03] rapidtrades : $450 here we come
[2016-02-20 16:30:03] BTCDJS : COME OOOOOON!!!!!!
[2016-02-20 16:30:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT7D`: Buy 2700 @ 440.58
[2016-02-20 16:30:44] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 1090 @ 437.74
[2016-02-20 16:30:49] rapidtrades : boom
[2016-02-20 16:31:04] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 5 @ 438.46
[2016-02-20 16:31:04] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT7D`: Buy 1800 @ 444.29
[2016-02-20 16:32:12] BTCDJS : lets kill this bear whale!
[2016-02-20 16:32:39] rapidtrades : there is no bear whale, all's clear
[2016-02-20 16:32:54] habibi : lel what bearwhale?
[2016-02-20 16:33:01] ayy lmao : LOOOOL
[2016-02-20 16:33:04] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 40310 @ 439.17 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-02-20 16:33:04] REKT : All aboard the MOON train!
[2016-02-20 16:33:08] ayy lmao : lmao
[2016-02-20 16:33:21] ayy lmao : REKT
[2016-02-20 16:33:45] chromaticcr : #freeMoney
[2016-02-20 16:33:48] ayy lmao : ^
[2016-02-20 16:36:19] BTCDJS : ? don't go down
[2016-02-20 16:36:22] rapidtrades : dam I froze...could've sold some premium :)
[2016-02-20 16:36:54] rapidtrades : hard to sell when u think we're going up :)
[2016-02-20 16:37:07] 00Smurf : ayy lmao: thank you
[2016-02-20 16:37:13] habibi : hard balls>balls>no balls
[2016-02-20 16:37:20] BTCDJS : were still going up right?
[2016-02-20 16:37:22] chromaticcr : love the premium when ppl get rekt
[2016-02-20 16:37:28] rapidtrades : def no balls here
[2016-02-20 16:37:39] habibi : u know what people say, buy rummors, sell news. news are about to come
[2016-02-20 16:38:01] habibi : but i think its still can gain some nice fomo
[2016-02-20 16:38:18] chromaticcr : but isnt Bitcoin all about HODLin?
[2016-02-20 16:38:39] rapidtrades : well doing that fosho
[2016-02-20 16:39:04] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 419 @ 436.75
[2016-02-20 16:39:48] 00Smurf : really need to be able to open a short and a long at same time
[2016-02-20 16:39:54] BTCDJS : i should've closed market when i had 2xbt now its gone down
[2016-02-20 16:41:07] habibi : yea yea u should all the things u didnt
[2016-02-20 16:41:31] rapidtrades : f bots need to learn that there is no resistance at 435
[2016-02-20 16:41:52] rapidtrades : BLOW THE LID ON THIS B1TCH
[2016-02-20 16:41:58] BTCDJS : ok well then thats another lesson learned for me. don't be greedy
[2016-02-20 16:42:19] habibi : u only think u learned it.
[2016-02-20 16:42:23] habibi : till next same lesson
[2016-02-20 16:42:27] rapidtrades : habibi: :)
[2016-02-20 16:42:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 600 @ 436.22
[2016-02-20 16:42:54] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: how can my PNL show 1.5XBT but when i close market i only get .48 profit?
[2016-02-20 16:43:23] rapidtrades : rest if prolly locked?
[2016-02-20 16:43:28] rapidtrades : until settlement?
[2016-02-20 16:43:40] habibi : or find diffrence between mark price and closed price
[2016-02-20 16:44:04] BTCDJS : its not showing in my wallet as withheld profit
[2016-02-20 16:44:10] zanza : look under wallet
[2016-02-20 16:44:21] zanza : um
[2016-02-20 16:44:23] habibi : how big ur position was?
[2016-02-20 16:44:30] habibi : its possible thats its furgazi :)
[2016-02-20 16:44:30] ayy lmao : market order might have filled lower
[2016-02-20 16:44:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 520 @ 435.63
[2016-02-20 16:44:35] zanza : yeah, market
[2016-02-20 16:44:38] BTCDJS : 45000 contracts
[2016-02-20 16:44:41] habibi : market order
[2016-02-20 16:44:42] habibi : gj
[2016-02-20 16:44:42] habibi : :D
[2016-02-20 16:44:44] habibi : buhahahahah :D
[2016-02-20 16:44:57] zanza : market order got ya
[2016-02-20 16:45:04] rapidtrades : u sold 45k as a market order? we don't have that much liquidity here
[2016-02-20 16:45:08] habibi : i bet u even closed some under weather
[2016-02-20 16:45:17] BTCDJS : Ahh ffs
[2016-02-20 16:45:20] zanza : i see a 22k order
[2016-02-20 16:45:31] rapidtrades : yeah where's the rest
[2016-02-20 16:45:45] habibi : ah look at seconds
[2016-02-20 16:45:48] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: how would you recumbent closing such a large position?
[2016-02-20 16:45:49] zanza : 7k 7k 7 k
[2016-02-20 16:45:51] habibi : there were few more at same second
[2016-02-20 16:46:03] 00Smurf : BTCDJS: bleed off slowly
[2016-02-20 16:46:08] BTCDJS : recommend
[2016-02-20 16:46:13] 00Smurf : having market order as the defaul order is dumb
[2016-02-20 16:46:13] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: no cllue, I think sleger uses the LIQs to close
[2016-02-20 16:46:23] zanza : the price changed for 237 to 435 based on your order
[2016-02-20 16:46:27] 00Smurf : thats a fat finger ready to happen
[2016-02-20 16:46:34] rapidtrades : I would split them up prolly
[2016-02-20 16:46:36] hashman : what does the white text on recent trades mean?
[2016-02-20 16:46:48] zanza : BTC, you can just hold to settlement if you do not want slippage
[2016-02-20 16:46:53] rapidtrades : nothing @hashman
[2016-02-20 16:47:08] BTCDJS : i still made profit. thats the main thing
[2016-02-20 16:47:13] habibi : not really
[2016-02-20 16:47:15] habibi : but ok :D
[2016-02-20 16:47:27] zanza : BTCDJS: you can hold until 4am tomorrow
[2016-02-20 16:47:32] zanza : and you will get the spot price fully
[2016-02-20 16:47:49] zanza : (19 hours from now)
[2016-02-20 16:47:50] BTCDJS : i have more than i started with @habibi so i don't see your rationale
[2016-02-20 16:47:56] justinlooking : hashman: price traded was same as previous price
[2016-02-20 16:48:05] habibi : "thats the main thing" i didnt agree with that part :)
[2016-02-20 16:48:12] hashman : thanks
[2016-02-20 16:48:17] 00Smurf : is withheld profit avail for the cross margin?
[2016-02-20 16:48:21] rapidtrades : i mean 45k is not massive, he could sell into some bots if we waits idk 15 mins?
[2016-02-20 16:48:30] rapidtrades : sell some wait sell some
[2016-02-20 16:48:42] habibi : if he just waited and sell 7k by 7k after bot react with orderbook
[2016-02-20 16:48:45] habibi : he would get more
[2016-02-20 16:48:47] habibi : but ok
[2016-02-20 16:48:55] habibi : we need people learning :)
[2016-02-20 16:49:06] BTCDJS : habibi: interesting. see i need to learn these things
[2016-02-20 16:49:21] habibi : no, just look at orderbook next time
[2016-02-20 16:49:23] BTCDJS : habibi: yeah good for you
[2016-02-20 16:49:29] habibi : and dont choose market order at all imho
[2016-02-20 16:49:42] habibi : even there is 100k order dont use market coz the moment u click it can be gone already
[2016-02-20 16:49:58] BTCDJS : i had a limit order and to close it i chose close market button
[2016-02-20 16:50:13] rapidtrades : well that's ur problem right there
[2016-02-20 16:50:52] BTCDJS : so really i should put a counter order at a higher price?
[2016-02-20 16:51:07] rapidtrades : no ur out now, f*ck off
[2016-02-20 16:51:35] rapidtrades : oh u meant like in general?
[2016-02-20 16:51:38] BTCDJS : i meant in the future
[2016-02-20 16:52:15] rapidtrades : oh...ok so we're not at $436.7 right...u can place limit to sell at $436...this will fill all orders up to $436
[2016-02-20 16:52:28] rapidtrades : this will limit ur slippage to $436
[2016-02-20 16:52:38] rapidtrades : if u want to exit asap
[2016-02-20 16:53:03] rapidtrades : or u can put resting limit on other side at say $438 and get the rebate
[2016-02-20 16:53:43] BTCDJS : i didn't realise the fees were going to be so high
[2016-02-20 16:53:55] rapidtrades : it's not the fees, its the slippage
[2016-02-20 16:54:01] BTCDJS : i see
[2016-02-20 16:54:02] rapidtrades : fees are only 20-30 cents
[2016-02-20 16:54:06] rapidtrades : on market orders
[2016-02-20 16:55:26] rapidtrades : market orders eat through the orderbook until its completely filled
[2016-02-20 16:55:52] rapidtrades : if u look at ur history, u'll see it filled at lower and lower prices
[2016-02-20 16:57:27] BTCDJS : ok thanks. I've got to go out with the kids now. ill have to check this out properly later.
[2016-02-20 17:04:10] elmorte : BTCDJS: Live n learn. Have fun with the kids!
[2016-02-20 17:05:18] rapidtrades : he left at another bad time iimo :)
[2016-02-20 17:05:38] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: quick one....
[2016-02-20 17:06:55] BTCDJS : if i place a stop limit, and set limit price at xxxx and stop price at yyyyy will my order close at yyyy price without the same thing happening to me again
[2016-02-20 17:07:32] sleger : cny premium collapsing
[2016-02-20 17:07:49] rapidtrades : finex $4 above okc...not looking good
[2016-02-20 17:08:02] rapidtrades : we're in classic fomo right now
[2016-02-20 17:08:05] chromaticcr : lol xbt24h
[2016-02-20 17:08:13] chromaticcr : book is so thin
[2016-02-20 17:09:44] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: ^
[2016-02-20 17:10:08] elmorte : super thin
[2016-02-20 17:10:35] rapidtrades : okc broke $435...knew that wasn't a top
[2016-02-20 17:10:58] habibi : We will not run Bitcoin Classic. We will only run Bitcoin Core-compatible consensus systems in production for the foreseeable future.
[2016-02-20 17:11:08] habibi : fck Classic <3
[2016-02-20 17:11:09] habibi : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/46qpua/bitcoin_roundtable_consensus_statement/
[2016-02-20 17:11:45] rapidtrades : still don't give a shit
[2016-02-20 17:11:46] elmorte : what's the opposite of moon again>
[2016-02-20 17:11:50] habibi : downmoon
[2016-02-20 17:11:52] habibi : helll
[2016-02-20 17:11:54] habibi : ground
[2016-02-20 17:12:02] chromaticcr : http://i.imgur.com/EdLG3o9.png
[2016-02-20 17:12:26] habibi : u could tell me to look at orderbook, would be easier
[2016-02-20 17:12:37] elmorte : hehe
[2016-02-20 17:14:34] rapidtrades : finex fomoing hard, rest not following
[2016-02-20 17:14:45] elmorte : habibi: Draft is still in progress. Leaked versions are not accurate.
[2016-02-20 17:15:00] habibi : yep
[2016-02-20 17:15:01] elmorte : https://medium.com/@bitcoinroundtable/51b0afb29a3a#.cvisst5in
[2016-02-20 17:15:03] rapidtrades : i'll wipe my ass with the final version
[2016-02-20 17:15:07] rapidtrades : noone cares