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[2016-02-16 19:44:41] BitMEX_Sam : justinlooking: Was just thinking about it, I don't think it's at all easy to do
[2016-02-16 19:45:55] BitMEX_Sam : We could probably put something in the preferences page that lets you upload a sound file to your local indexedDB, then patch out the sound if it's been overridden
[2016-02-16 19:46:04] BitMEX_Sam : Would take some doing though - unfortunately lots of high priority features right now
[2016-02-16 19:46:49] BitMEX_Sam : I just put the idea in our issue tracker.
[2016-02-16 19:46:59] Tulip_stefan : i benchmarked a few parts of my program after i ported it to C++ and it different components where about 80-120 faster than the python implementation which i spent much time optimizing.
[2016-02-16 19:47:56] justinlooking : Sam: i see, thanks. it's not worth implementing just for me... and maybe "loud mode" checkbox is simpler :P
[2016-02-16 19:50:01] Tulip_stefan : or maybe my python skills just suck, that's another possible explanation :P
[2016-02-16 19:50:25] tscha : Tulip_stefan: have you checked out pypy?
[2016-02-16 19:51:02] Tulip_stefan : i know it exists but i haven't managed to get it to run on windows yet.
[2016-02-16 19:51:04] sleger : sounds like the issue is somewhere else
[2016-02-16 19:51:15] sleger : it shouldnt be that big of a difference no matter what
[2016-02-16 19:51:40] sleger : maybe you were running it inside some IDE in debug mode that would make sense then
[2016-02-16 19:52:27] Tulip_stefan : I used IDLE as my IDE back them.
[2016-02-16 19:52:48] sleger : any performance test should be ran outside any IDE
[2016-02-16 19:53:08] sleger : command line > python3 yourcode.py
[2016-02-16 19:53:11] tscha : Tulip_stefan: I saw benchmarks with c++ outperforming cpython by around 100x on certain algos, with pypy the factor was only a fraction
[2016-02-16 19:56:15] Tulip_stefan : yeah that sounds about right from what i heard.
[2016-02-16 19:57:17] tscha : but then again, for this stuff you should just use another language I guess
[2016-02-16 19:58:35] rapidtrades : like French?
[2016-02-16 19:59:08] sleger : French Trump American
[2016-02-16 19:59:10] Tulip_stefan : i learned that the hard way. Now i even have my own openGL plotting library :P
[2016-02-16 20:01:20] rapidtrades : u guys sold ur arbs yet? or holding for premium?
[2016-02-16 20:10:22] rapidtrades : guys?
[2016-02-16 20:10:30] rapidtrades : any guys here?
[2016-02-16 20:13:01] laisee : only fellas
[2016-02-16 20:13:03] tradedesk : loginalways ;-)
[2016-02-16 20:13:15] tradedesk : oops, pasted my password in the chat
[2016-02-16 20:13:26] laisee : thanks!
[2016-02-16 20:14:03] BitMEX_Sam : If you're not kidding, reset immediately even if you're using 2FA
[2016-02-16 20:14:09] BitMEX_Sam : And if you're not using 2FA... do so
[2016-02-16 20:14:29] messiaen8844 : dammn, that's my password too!!!
[2016-02-16 20:14:29] tradedesk : lol sam.. trollbox rings a bell?
[2016-02-16 20:14:38] messiaen8844 : you hax0r
[2016-02-16 20:15:06] rapidtrades : WHO STOLE MY UNDERWEAR
[2016-02-16 20:15:18] tradedesk : yes, i was just trying out my new metasploit install, how did you know?
[2016-02-16 20:15:37] tscha : you can never be sure around here
[2016-02-16 20:16:04] BitMEX_Sam : Hahah
[2016-02-16 20:16:07] BitMEX_Sam : Just making sure.
[2016-02-16 20:16:47] tscha : rapidtrade's password is godblessamerica
[2016-02-16 20:16:59] tradedesk : "godblessamerica - and only america"
[2016-02-16 20:17:06] tscha : mine is hunter2 by the way
[2016-02-16 20:17:14] messiaen8844 : you should make a default password... user changes after first login, would be easier for us
[2016-02-16 20:17:19] messiaen8844 : 1-click sign up
[2016-02-16 20:17:28] tradedesk : login only by username
[2016-02-16 20:17:37] messiaen8844 : this 2FA just makes it more difficult
[2016-02-16 20:17:42] rapidtrades : sleger's passoword is the generous muslim
[2016-02-16 20:17:55] habibi : random login would better feature
[2016-02-16 20:18:12] tscha : yeah, no password sounds good. And show the IP when you hover over chat name
[2016-02-16 20:18:21] BitMEX_Sam : At some point in the near future we'll have a sort of demo feature where it creates an acct for you on Testnet with some fake cash to play with
[2016-02-16 20:18:40] BitMEX_Sam : I think Primedice probably does it best tbh
[2016-02-16 20:19:01] BitMEX_Sam : I know you guys are mostly kidding but we're always thinking about reducing friction
[2016-02-16 20:19:33] rapidtrades : LUBE
[2016-02-16 20:19:55] laisee : LUBEDUP
[2016-02-16 20:20:21] messiaen8844 : IF_EQUAL LUBE OP_HASH
[2016-02-16 20:20:39] BitMEX_Sam : :beer:
[2016-02-16 20:21:18] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: how many humans trade here on a regular basis? like at least 2-3 trades per week
[2016-02-16 20:21:25] BitMEX_Sam : At least
[2016-02-16 20:21:27] BitMEX_Sam : Maybe more
[2016-02-16 20:21:37] habibi : that was condition for u Sam to check :D
[2016-02-16 20:21:50] tscha : There are some sport betting sites where you don't even have to have an account, just send money to a btc address and get profit returned (or not)
[2016-02-16 20:22:08] BitMEX_Sam : Actually re: numbers of regular traders, we're not releasing those numbers at this time
[2016-02-16 20:22:17] BitMEX_Sam : But you can get a pretty good idea with the connected count above
[2016-02-16 20:22:36] BitMEX_Sam : tscha: Yeah. Questionable legality on a lot of those
[2016-02-16 20:22:42] tscha : same
[2016-02-16 20:22:52] rapidtrades : do we really have 183 bots running? or is it double counting humans in those
[2016-02-16 20:23:02] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: Nope, they're separate counts
[2016-02-16 20:23:12] BitMEX_Sam : But it does count bots that aren't submitting orders, but are perhaps just reading live data
[2016-02-16 20:23:29] rapidtrades : still seeems a lot
[2016-02-16 20:23:46] tscha : BitMEX_Sam: ws and REST separate too? or grouped by IP?
[2016-02-16 20:23:52] BitMEX_Sam : A large number of users never chat, and it seems lots of them just leave the window open.
[2016-02-16 20:24:08] BitMEX_Sam : tscha: We count it by how many active WS conns are open on the browser endpoint and the API endpoint, which are very slightly different
[2016-02-16 20:24:16] rapidtrades : can u close it? or just minimize?
[2016-02-16 20:24:29] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: If you close it the count will go down, if you minimize it will stay
[2016-02-16 20:24:59] rapidtrades : i see no close
[2016-02-16 20:25:11] BitMEX_Sam : But we only send an updated count every 30s
[2016-02-16 20:25:40] tscha : rapidtrades: see the X on the right upper side?
[2016-02-16 20:25:58] rapidtrades : no, my fonts are weird
[2016-02-16 20:26:07] BitMEX_Sam : What are you trying to close?
[2016-02-16 20:26:13] tscha : his browser window I think
[2016-02-16 20:26:15] rapidtrades : have some script blocking things on
[2016-02-16 20:26:15] tscha : lol
[2016-02-16 20:26:34] justinlooking : u still trading on a kindle paperwhite rapid?
[2016-02-16 20:27:07] tscha : can we implement old-school trades here sam? like, phone calls?
[2016-02-16 20:27:30] laisee : of sending orders by fax
[2016-02-16 20:27:41] tscha : yeah, we need some 70s flair
[2016-02-16 20:28:18] laisee : time to get some ticker tapes running in the office for excitement++
[2016-02-16 20:28:22] habibi : yep and literally margin calls
[2016-02-16 20:28:39] habibi : hello, would u like to add some margin to ur position on 100x
[2016-02-16 20:28:42] habibi : oh sorry, its gone
[2016-02-16 20:29:07] tscha : yeah, arthur calling rapidtrades from hongkong to USA to tell him his 20 contracts are close to liquidation
[2016-02-16 20:29:49] laisee : wire some funds to cover the shortfall ...
[2016-02-16 20:36:06] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah that's easy to do, just have rapidtrades put his home phone num on here
[2016-02-16 20:36:16] BitMEX_Sam : I'm sure he'd be happy to volunteer his time
[2016-02-16 20:36:48] rapidtrades : which one? I have several...
[2016-02-16 20:39:19] tscha : the one starting with +1
[2016-02-16 20:39:48] laisee : rapidtrades: the one hanging on the wall with a curly cord to the receiver.
[2016-02-16 20:41:15] rapidtrades : s&p looks very top heavy on monthly chart
[2016-02-16 20:41:48] rapidtrades : if 1800 breaks there will be some fireworls
[2016-02-16 20:52:27] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: small thing, mark price from position tab is faster updated that one from instrument table
[2016-02-16 20:52:31] habibi : at eth*
[2016-02-16 20:52:48] BitMEX_Sam : habibi: Thanks - lots of improvements coming very soon
[2016-02-16 20:52:59] BitMEX_Sam : Aware of some update bugs, they should all be squashed in Testnet
[2016-02-16 20:53:17] BitMEX_Sam : I plan to roll the new UI in < 24hrs
[2016-02-16 20:53:40] justinlooking : new ui or update bug fixes?
[2016-02-16 20:54:57] BitMEX_Sam : New UI
[2016-02-16 20:55:17] justinlooking : wicked
[2016-02-16 20:56:37] habibi : Sam will be option to stay with old ui in options?
[2016-02-16 20:56:45] j8 : BitMEX_Sam: theres an issue with the links at the very top on testnet, makes the app freeze for me
[2016-02-16 20:57:44] BitMEX_Sam : habibi: No, we will continue to support the Advanced UI but the old order controls will go
[2016-02-16 20:57:54] BitMEX_Sam : The main reason for the rework is the new order types
[2016-02-16 20:58:06] BitMEX_Sam : There's simply too many options to fit in the limited space the order controls currently takes up.
[2016-02-16 20:58:11] BitMEX_Sam : j8: Will check that out
[2016-02-16 21:39:45] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1000 @ 404.18
[2016-02-16 22:07:43] tscha : price 404 again, bitmex servers down? haha
[2016-02-16 22:08:16] tscha : that was funny indeed
[2016-02-16 22:15:44] messiaen8844 : 404 bulls not found?
[2016-02-16 22:24:16] BitMEX_Sam : tscha: Hah we fixed the monitoring. That was definitely a rude issue
[2016-02-16 22:37:18] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: why does the orderbook flicker on every execution
[2016-02-16 22:37:33] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: Let me check on that
[2016-02-16 22:38:22] tscha : can confirm that.. not sure when it happens, but it flickers sometimes, looks like all orders disappear and re-appear moments later
[2016-02-16 22:39:32] BitMEX_Sam : Seeing what looks like an orderbook refetching bug
[2016-02-16 22:39:43] BitMEX_Sam : So when it gets re-fetched, it very quickly blanks while it rerenders
[2016-02-16 22:42:50] djuan : habibi: do you think we are looking at going to 390 again or up?
[2016-02-16 22:43:19] habibi : up or sideways above 2700 area imo
[2016-02-16 22:43:58] habibi : sideways=chop 2710-2750
[2016-02-16 22:44:06] djuan : habibi: i need to stop watching whale calls. their messing with my head lol
[2016-02-16 22:45:13] habibi : okc margin is usable when it reach more than 55-57% so we can expect some push/dump to reach MCs
[2016-02-16 22:45:17] rapidtrades : what's the point of the bots going over me after I match them?
[2016-02-16 22:45:29] rapidtrades : don't they know they have priority?
[2016-02-16 22:45:57] habibi : some of them dont know that or maybe some of them wanna make u go in front of them
[2016-02-16 22:46:11] djuan : habibi: MCs? whats that?
[2016-02-16 22:46:15] rapidtrades : yeah so they can sell into me right @habibi
[2016-02-16 22:46:50] djuan : margin calls
[2016-02-16 22:47:11] rapidtrades : speak in full sentences plz
[2016-02-16 22:47:22] djuan : lol
[2016-02-16 22:47:29] habibi : he explained himself what mc is
[2016-02-16 22:47:42] rapidtrades : oh nvm
[2016-02-16 22:47:44] djuan : yeah had a daft moment
[2016-02-16 22:48:21] djuan : rapidtrades: whats your opinion on price?
[2016-02-16 22:48:35] rapidtrades : i'm heavily long right now
[2016-02-16 22:48:42] rapidtrades : don't tell anyone tho
[2016-02-16 22:48:47] habibi : rapidtrades: dont know, i like to play against bots like these on when i am taking position from market
[2016-02-16 22:49:10] rapidtrades : habibi: problem is, we're at a discount
[2016-02-16 22:49:31] mrp1nk : probably until settlement, or not?
[2016-02-16 22:49:42] habibi : if we break 2755-58 discount will be over imo
[2016-02-16 22:50:02] djuan : rapidtrades: I'm waiting for the right time to enter M16. but i have a feeling price is going to drop before it takes off
[2016-02-16 22:50:04] rapidtrades : really surprising we haven't rallied yet...only $10 above $400
[2016-02-16 22:50:29] mwalshe99 : weekly says down
[2016-02-16 22:50:30] mwalshe99 : rally will be thin
[2016-02-16 22:50:34] mwalshe99 : still a bit too thin atm
[2016-02-16 22:50:54] messiaen8844 : 10 mins.. will be epic to either side
[2016-02-16 22:51:59] messiaen8844 : feels toppish to me, I'm with the bears on this.
[2016-02-16 22:52:22] rapidtrades : noone's bullish huh
[2016-02-16 22:52:37] rapidtrades : i like this
[2016-02-16 22:52:47] djuan : want to be but its uncertain atm
[2016-02-16 22:53:02] rapidtrades : markets climb on a wall of worry b1tch
[2016-02-16 22:54:47] messiaen8844 : bulls seem exhausted in past few hours... ,major divergence also
[2016-02-16 22:55:09] messiaen8844 : needs at least some dip to regain bull force IMO
[2016-02-16 22:55:22] rapidtrades : lol @divergence
[2016-02-16 22:55:26] messiaen8844 : it has been making lower lows a while
[2016-02-16 22:55:36] rapidtrades : lol @u
[2016-02-16 22:56:06] rapidtrades : just messing around...following my system....agree that charts look ugly
[2016-02-16 22:56:09] djuan : messiaen8844: thats my feeling too.
[2016-02-16 22:56:31] messiaen8844 : but it also seems fishy, could be major major bear trap and explode
[2016-02-16 22:57:18] rapidtrades : hoping for a $50 spike higher here :)
[2016-02-16 22:57:18] messiaen8844 : risk-reward seems very attractive, but if it fails bulls will be very happy
[2016-02-16 22:57:23] djuan : messiaen8844: when it does i think its going to be a major pump
[2016-02-16 22:58:02] messiaen8844 : Could be handle for a Cup and Handle
[2016-02-16 22:58:38] messiaen8844 : someone is really defending against bulls on OKC futures though
[2016-02-16 22:59:00] rapidtrades : okc?
[2016-02-16 22:59:27] messiaen8844 : woodchipper I mean
[2016-02-16 22:59:37] djuan : lol
[2016-02-16 22:59:45] djuan : fell right into that one
[2016-02-16 22:59:47] rapidtrades : yeah i meant okc are doing it themselves?
[2016-02-16 23:00:32] djuan : and here i thought you set up a joke @rapidtrades
[2016-02-16 23:01:02] messiaen8844 : meaning some big traders are selling OKC futures, preventing breakouts
[2016-02-16 23:01:15] djuan : why would they do that? @rapidtrades
[2016-02-16 23:01:20] rapidtrades : no meaning the company is putting a lid on prices
[2016-02-16 23:01:44] djuan : yeah why? what would they gain from that?
[2016-02-16 23:01:54] rapidtrades : djuan: idk but ive seen some shady stuff going on there
[2016-02-16 23:02:45] j8 : nah it's PBOC manipulating bitcoin futures
[2016-02-16 23:03:10] rapidtrades : like price rallying $40-$50 to hit a liquidation, fills it then crashes back down
[2016-02-16 23:03:36] messiaen8844 : that's not exchange, but users doing a stop run
[2016-02-16 23:03:46] messiaen8844 : remember there are whales with millions and millions of dollars
[2016-02-16 23:03:57] djuan : I've got so much to learn
[2016-02-16 23:04:04] rapidtrades : do u have any idea how much money it takes to move price by $40-50
[2016-02-16 23:04:29] djuan : ?
[2016-02-16 23:04:30] rapidtrades : i doubt a bunch of traders collectively decided to rally price, fill a liq then crash back down
[2016-02-16 23:06:33] messiaen8844 : its call buy low sell high
[2016-02-16 23:08:41] messiaen8844 : we just had a $40 dollar rally
[2016-02-16 23:09:03] rapidtrades : no we did not
[2016-02-16 23:09:20] rapidtrades : and that rally happened in the span of few hours
[2016-02-16 23:09:41] rapidtrades : close to Friday's settlement
[2016-02-16 23:09:55] messiaen8844 : i'm thinking at a larger timeframe
[2016-02-16 23:09:57] messiaen8844 : $365 to here
[2016-02-16 23:26:43] tscha : AntPool just mined 2nd Classic block
[2016-02-16 23:26:48] tscha : moontime
[2016-02-16 23:27:05] rapidtrades : noone cares @tscha
[2016-02-16 23:28:00] tscha : Literally everyone cares about a possible upcoming fork - except you I guess
[2016-02-16 23:28:07] micmix : BitMEX_SAM, are you there?
[2016-02-16 23:28:08] rapidtrades : bids side looks weak...some tool trying to bid up orders to sell into?
[2016-02-16 23:29:01] tscha : micmix: better ping him like @BitMEX_Sam
[2016-02-16 23:29:59] rapidtrades : cmon big money cmon big money
[2016-02-16 23:31:36] micmix : BitMEX needs a paging feature, something like say @BitMEX_Sam 3 times and it texts him
[2016-02-16 23:31:46] micmix : could be abused of course
[2016-02-16 23:32:46] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: Hey
[2016-02-16 23:33:06] habibi : tscha: i don't care as long as there will agreement and we will know about it coz it will be occasion for some push up
[2016-02-16 23:33:08] rapidtrades : Sam should be a man and publish his personal cell phone online, like Shkreli does
[2016-02-16 23:33:22] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah you know I want to be just like Shkreli
[2016-02-16 23:33:41] mwalshe99 : BitMEX_Sam: fair play
[2016-02-16 23:33:42] tscha : Maybe you can get Shkreli work at Bitmex
[2016-02-16 23:33:51] mwalshe99 : tscha: +1
[2016-02-16 23:34:02] tscha : BitMEX_Shkreli, responsible for Customer Funds
[2016-02-16 23:34:21] BitMEX_Sam : :smile: :gun:
[2016-02-16 23:34:38] mwalshe99 : you bow drying your hair?
[2016-02-16 23:34:44] mwalshe99 : blow*
[2016-02-16 23:34:54] BitMEX_Sam : Blowing it right off
[2016-02-16 23:35:04] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: Hi Sam! Could you please check rate limiting for bulk orders. I was getting 429 wait 8 minutes after sending 40 orders in one call, even though I should have lots of calls left
[2016-02-16 23:35:48] tscha : micmix: you are sending 40 calls on one instrument? or multiple instruments?
[2016-02-16 23:35:55] tscha : 40 orders*
[2016-02-16 23:36:01] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: What we're seeing is a lot of orderBook calls coming in - it appears the browser client recently has been requesting it more often than it should
[2016-02-16 23:36:04] BitMEX_Sam : I'm pushing an update for that
[2016-02-16 23:36:36] micmix : AFAIK you can't send multiple instruments in one call, have to split by instrument
[2016-02-16 23:36:54] tscha : the browser makes orderbook calls? shouldn't it just use the ws?
[2016-02-16 23:37:00] tscha : ah, good to know, ty @micmix
[2016-02-16 23:37:11] BitMEX_Sam : It does that when it believes that the data it has went stale due to a disconnect
[2016-02-16 23:37:28] tscha : makes sense
[2016-02-16 23:37:53] tscha : should do that on my bot though, it just chills when it disconnects atm :)
[2016-02-16 23:39:35] micmix : I have another system running on my IP that polls orderbooks but it uses public API without authentication, shouldn't affect rate limits. But yeah, if the browser uses authenticated requests for orderbook info, micmix limits will be affected
[2016-02-16 23:41:23] tscha : micmix: I think it does affect rate limits, they do ratelimit by IP I think
[2016-02-16 23:41:59] BitMEX_Sam : We ratelimit by account, and if the user is not logged in, we ratelimit by IP
[2016-02-16 23:42:21] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: something definitely off with rate limit for bulk orders. I can post 100 orders using regular calls but not in one bulk call
[2016-02-16 23:44:02] BitMEX_Sam : I don't see you having placed any bulk calls in the last 10 min
[2016-02-16 23:44:22] micmix : I tried with single calls, now going to try with bulk
[2016-02-16 23:46:32] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: I see the issue
[2016-02-16 23:46:45] BitMEX_Sam : In the meantime you can fix it by not stringifying your order array
[2016-02-16 23:47:13] BitMEX_Sam : You're sending `{"orders": string}` when you should be sending `{"orders": Array}`
[2016-02-16 23:47:37] BitMEX_Sam : I see you sending `{"orders": "[{\"symbol\":\"XBTM16\",..."}`
[2016-02-16 23:48:22] tscha : I made exactly the same error somewhere else a month ago, with authentication array on ws I think
[2016-02-16 23:48:25] miratrader : had to switch accounts, micmix is blocked now
[2016-02-16 23:49:08] miratrader : ok, I'll try with array but it shouldn't matter I think
[2016-02-16 23:49:24] jesperf : BitMEX_Sam: would it be possible to make the PNL calculator remember the last values? I tend to close it randomly and immediately want to get the same values back in again...
[2016-02-16 23:49:40] BitMEX_Sam : jesperf: Yep, I can do that.
[2016-02-16 23:49:56] jesperf : thanks :)
[2016-02-17 00:01:19] tscha : finex looks weird today, very jittery and books are thin
[2016-02-17 00:02:49] tscha : many trades with low volume that move the price relatively far in both directions
[2016-02-17 00:04:11] tscha : seems like the spread is quite high a lot of the time
[2016-02-17 00:09:13] rapidtrades : what's going on
[2016-02-17 00:11:46] tscha : Not much. Except that I am thrilled about Antpool running Classic.
[2016-02-17 00:12:02] habibi : tscha: why u thrilled?
[2016-02-17 00:12:25] tscha : habibi: Because it's a big step towards blocksize increase, which I like
[2016-02-17 00:12:47] tscha : Plus, time around fork will create lots of volatility = good for trading
[2016-02-17 00:13:02] habibi : hard fork if classic wins
[2016-02-17 00:13:27] habibi : soft one if core will stay if they dont change mind
[2016-02-17 00:15:44] habibi : anyway still long way and i am pretty sure we will stay with core and i would be sad if classic wins
[2016-02-17 00:16:20] rapidtrades : I could care less who wins
[2016-02-17 00:16:34] BitMEX_Wally : *couldn't care less
[2016-02-17 00:16:40] tscha : :)
[2016-02-17 00:16:41] rapidtrades : WHAT
[2016-02-17 00:17:34] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: If you could care less who wins, then that means you currently care more than not at all, meaning you do care
[2016-02-17 00:18:44] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: *throws Zika at u
[2016-02-17 00:19:23] TraderStefan : so when can I trade A50G16?
[2016-02-17 00:19:31] BitMEX_Wally : At 13:00 UTC
[2016-02-17 00:19:41] BitMEX_Wally : I mean 01:00 UTC
[2016-02-17 00:19:47] BitMEX_Wally : In 40 minutes
[2016-02-17 00:19:53] TraderStefan : thx
[2016-02-17 00:19:56] rapidtrades : dam
[2016-02-17 00:21:24] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: doesn't china open in 2 hrs?
[2016-02-17 00:21:47] BitMEX_Wally : This is a 24/7 future
[2016-02-17 00:22:11] rapidtrades : what's it settled on
[2016-02-17 00:25:27] BitMEX_Wally : China opens in 35 minutes
[2016-02-17 00:26:01] habibi : and then u gonna turn on A50?
[2016-02-17 00:26:35] BitMEX_Wally : China A shares
[2016-02-17 00:27:37] habibi : http://www.ibm.com/blockchain/ :D
[2016-02-17 00:29:24] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: But the actual china market doesn't open until 2 hrs from now?
[2016-02-17 00:29:40] rapidtrades : or is this Chinese shares on other exchanges
[2016-02-17 00:30:41] BitMEX_Arthur : The futures in Singapore open in 30 minutes
[2016-02-17 00:30:47] BitMEX_Wally : The future in Singapore opens at 9am, then the stocks in Shanghai and Shenzhen open 9:30am
[2016-02-17 00:30:59] habibi : yea when u gonna open instrument
[2016-02-17 00:31:06] BitMEX_Wally : 30 minutes
[2016-02-17 00:31:10] habibi : ah k
[2016-02-17 00:31:14] habibi : u mm it from start?
[2016-02-17 00:32:12] BitMEX_Arthur : We have initial market makers
[2016-02-17 00:32:29] BitMEX_Arthur : Don't worry it will be tighter than a ...
[2016-02-17 00:32:37] BitMEX_Arthur : insert your hole of preference
[2016-02-17 00:33:04] habibi : it moves as much as composite index?
[2016-02-17 00:33:16] habibi : Arthur! u nasty boy
[2016-02-17 00:33:20] BitMEX_Wally : https://blog.bitmex.com/bitmex-china-a50-futures-arbitrage/
[2016-02-17 00:34:26] BitMEX_Wally : A50 is the top 50 A-shares whereas composite includes A-sharses and B-shares
[2016-02-17 00:35:31] micmix : I like the 'A-sharses', pronounced 'ash-arses'
[2016-02-17 00:36:36] BitMEX_Wally : Hah
[2016-02-17 00:36:55] habibi : BitMEX_Arthur: how to trade that ? it follows this index somehow? http://finance.sina.com.cn/realstock/company/sh000001/nc.shtml
[2016-02-17 00:38:00] BitMEX_Arthur : What do you mean how do you trade, same as anything else go long or short with leverage
[2016-02-17 00:38:12] BitMEX_Arthur : if the index goes up 1%, your return in bitcoin goes up 1%
[2016-02-17 00:38:28] BitMEX_Wally : You can trade the 50 companies yourself, or the SGX future, or an ETF tracker...
[2016-02-17 00:38:46] habibi : BitMEX_Wally: i rather was asking about some tips
[2016-02-17 00:39:07] BitMEX_Arthur : I would read the arbitrage article Wally posted above
[2016-02-17 00:39:13] BitMEX_Arthur : But in general it's another market to trade
[2016-02-17 00:39:25] BitMEX_Arthur : Depending on your view of China
[2016-02-17 00:39:41] BitMEX_Arthur : The A50 is predominately banks, insurance cos, and real estate
[2016-02-17 00:39:55] BitMEX_Arthur : So maybe you have been reading what Kyle Bass has been saying about the banking system being f'd
[2016-02-17 00:40:01] BitMEX_Arthur : And you want to express that view by going short
[2016-02-17 00:40:05] BitMEX_Arthur : You can do that with our contract
[2016-02-17 00:40:51] habibi : nah, just looked at fees, feels like its not another unliquid market that will go 2%up then 1% down in 2 hours
[2016-02-17 00:42:05] BitMEX_Wally : http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/20/investing/china-market-volatility-regulator/
[2016-02-17 00:42:24] BitMEX_Wally : It's not as volatile as Bitcoin though
[2016-02-17 00:44:16] habibi : let pros play this market, mm can be profitable tho
[2016-02-17 00:44:37] tscha : well, but bitcoin is volatile, so the contract will be too
[2016-02-17 00:44:39] djuan : BitMEX_Wally: any desire to trade REP when augur launches?
[2016-02-17 00:44:55] BitMEX_Wally : Sure if there's demand
[2016-02-17 00:45:10] BitMEX_Wally : No-one is trading `XLT7D` anymore
[2016-02-17 00:45:24] habibi : coz of litecoin chart :p
[2016-02-17 00:45:46] BitMEX_Wally : We're going to add charting for the underlying index/spot prices
[2016-02-17 00:45:49] habibi : flat as my ex gf
[2016-02-17 00:45:57] djuan : Yeah the charts a little off
[2016-02-17 00:47:06] tscha : habibi: but XLT sucks more than ur gf
[2016-02-17 00:47:25] habibi : ex gf!
[2016-02-17 00:47:27] djuan : That's what she said
[2016-02-17 00:55:16] BitMEX_Arthur : https://www.bitmex.com/app/seriesGuide/A50
[2016-02-17 00:55:25] BitMEX_Arthur : Please read this is the contract guide
[2016-02-17 00:59:47] BitMEX_Arthur : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-16/presenting-most-striking-way-chinese-are-evading-capital-controls
[2016-02-17 01:00:35] BitMEX_Wally : A50 is live: https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/A50G16
[2016-02-17 01:03:21] habibi : hm discount or not?
[2016-02-17 01:14:21] BitMEX_Wally : We mark the future to the price of the future on the SGX
[2016-02-17 01:14:42] BitMEX_Wally : You can track the price on SGX (via a CFD) here: http://www.investing.com/indices/china-a50-chart
[2016-02-17 01:18:23] messiaen8844 : BitMEX_Wally: is that real time or delayed?
[2016-02-17 01:18:44] BitMEX_Wally : The CFD on investing.com is real time
[2016-02-17 01:18:48] messiaen8844 : ok
[2016-02-17 01:18:52] aethlios : messiaen8844: looks real time
[2016-02-17 01:20:05] lockhedge : BitMEX_Wally: http://www.ig.com/sg/ig-indices/china-a50 already working on their api... where do you get your data for the settlement price? directly from SGX or a CFD provider?
[2016-02-17 01:20:34] BitMEX_Wally : lockhedge: Neither
[2016-02-17 01:20:55] BitMEX_Wally : We settle the future on the China A50 index. Not on some random CFD!
[2016-02-17 01:21:14] messiaen8844 : Is this on TradingView also?
[2016-02-17 01:21:18] messiaen8844 : this index?
[2016-02-17 01:21:42] BitMEX_Wally : Yes
[2016-02-17 01:26:05] lockhedge : BitMEX_Wally: how do you calculate the 'ìndicative settlement price´? is it possible to obtain the official real-time reference price? any suggestions how to avoid obtaining data from CFD providers?
[2016-02-17 01:26:05] messiaen8844 : A50 already live, cool
[2016-02-17 01:26:37] BitMEX_Wally : The indicative settlement price is currently the last official closing price of the A50 Index
[2016-02-17 01:26:52] j8 : BitMEX_Wally: the `.A50` Index Details page has many `undefined` fields which you've defined here for us
[2016-02-17 01:27:15] BitMEX_Wally : `The BitMEX .A50 Index tracks the undefined price every minute. The undefined price is calculated from the last price at undefined. The .A50 index price is shown on many pages as the current undefined price.`
[2016-02-17 01:27:17] BitMEX_Wally : We will fix this
[2016-02-17 01:27:31] BitMEX_Sam : :) Will fix that ASAP.
[2016-02-17 01:27:36] j8 : :)
[2016-02-17 01:28:08] BitMEX_Wally : lockhedge: The CFD providers are probably just tracking the SGX Future
[2016-02-17 01:29:50] zanza : whoa, A50
[2016-02-17 01:35:08] lockhedge : BitMEX_Wally: yes, that's the problem. http://www.sgx.com/wps/portal/sgxweb/home/services/market-data/our-data-vendors so i would have to use one of these vendors (e.g. Bloomberg) to get the original SGX real-time data? any recommendation? who are you using?
[2016-02-17 01:39:31] BitMEX_Wally : lockhedge: You could try getting the data via a broker
[2016-02-17 01:39:33] aethlios : BitMEX_Wally: hello, for A50 is commission maker -0.1%?? for 10 contracts I received 0.0059 btc which is lower.
[2016-02-17 01:40:10] BitMEX_Wally : aethlios: Let me check
[2016-02-17 01:48:00] BitMEX_Wally : aethlios: If you refresh you will see the correct amount
[2016-02-17 01:48:14] aethlios : BitMEX_Wally: Thanks!!
[2016-02-17 04:14:51] kingscrown : https://twitter.com/kingscrownBTC/status/699756654024331264
[2016-02-17 04:18:06] chromaticcr : @BitMEX_Arthur sent you an email
[2016-02-17 06:01:49] rapidtrades : good morning gentlemen
[2016-02-17 06:02:18] tradedesk : morning
[2016-02-17 06:04:53] rapidtrades : we're having a gentlemen morning I see
[2016-02-17 06:07:15] tradedesk : most ppl do sleep occasionally
[2016-02-17 06:08:26] rapidtrades : you weren't here for the gentlemen rally last year?
[2016-02-17 06:09:42] rapidtrades : http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=This+is+gentlemen
[2016-02-17 06:11:43] rapidtrades : huh dictionary says 2014....time flies :)
[2016-02-17 06:15:49] tradedesk : ha, no that is new to me :)
[2016-02-17 06:23:06] djuan : Good morning. Looks like slow and steady is winning the race. Jeb! was right.
[2016-02-17 06:26:20] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 6001 @ 408.59
[2016-02-17 06:26:40] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 1000 @ 409.03
[2016-02-17 06:26:40] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 248 @ 409.36
[2016-02-17 06:31:36] rapidtrades : cmon finex u dirty wh*re
[2016-02-17 06:36:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT7D`: Buy 14109 @ 410.46
[2016-02-17 07:00:01] rapidtrades : LAST CALL 4MOON
[2016-02-17 07:00:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTM16`: Buy 957 @ 532.56
[2016-02-17 07:03:26] djuan : Yeah! Now we're talking ?? high five
[2016-02-17 07:10:37] rapidtrades : what a min....a50 is trading at 100 points discount
[2016-02-17 07:11:26] rapidtrades : is the index closed atm? seems a bit too much
[2016-02-17 07:14:03] TraderStefan : http://www.ig.com/sg/ig-indices/china-a50
[2016-02-17 07:15:31] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: If you think it's too low why don't you go borrow some A shares and short China to arb the difference?
[2016-02-17 07:15:40] rapidtrades : that's even more confusing... @TraderStefan
[2016-02-17 07:16:00] rapidtrades : prices on ig are 200 points below index and 100 below here
[2016-02-17 07:16:44] BitMEX_Wally : Well the index market is closed now
[2016-02-17 07:17:18] rapidtrades : well that's what i was asking :)
[2016-02-17 07:17:39] rapidtrades : http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/XU1:IND
[2016-02-17 07:17:50] rapidtrades : bloomberg's quoting closer to here
[2016-02-17 07:18:03] BitMEX_Wally : The future on SGX trades until 2am China time
[2016-02-17 07:18:05] rapidtrades : guess bloomberg is the futures?
[2016-02-17 07:18:51] BitMEX_Wally : Yes
[2016-02-17 07:19:27] BitMEX_Wally : We mark our future to the price of the SGX future
[2016-02-17 07:19:55] rapidtrades : then why does the index say 9047 when futures are 100 points lower
[2016-02-17 07:20:10] rapidtrades : or is it marked on futures, settled on spot
[2016-02-17 07:20:22] BitMEX_Wally : Correct
[2016-02-17 07:21:01] BitMEX_Wally : The SGX future settles on the index price, so if we settled on the SGX future price it would be the same thing
[2016-02-17 07:21:03] altcoinsdotin : hi
[2016-02-17 07:21:20] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: You can always buy the future and sell the index
[2016-02-17 07:21:21] altcoinsdotin : what is the effective max leverage of the new a50 product?
[2016-02-17 07:21:30] BitMEX_Wally : altcoinsdotin: 100x
[2016-02-17 07:21:33] altcoinsdotin : thanks
[2016-02-17 07:21:35] altcoinsdotin : good job
[2016-02-17 07:21:37] BitMEX_Wally : The maintenance margin requirement is 1%
[2016-02-17 07:21:44] altcoinsdotin : ah ok of course
[2016-02-17 07:22:04] BitMEX_Wally : Initial margin requirement is 4% so you can open at 25x
[2016-02-17 07:25:07] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: is the marking on a50 automatic? how often does it happen
[2016-02-17 07:25:29] BitMEX_Wally : It is automatically marked to the SGX future
[2016-02-17 07:25:48] rapidtrades : how often? is it delayed?
[2016-02-17 07:25:58] BitMEX_Wally : There might be 1 second dela
[2016-02-17 07:26:21] BitMEX_Wally : I imagine the market makers will have quicker feeds
[2016-02-17 07:26:24] rapidtrades : oh cool...so I can use that to get a general idea where a50 is atm
[2016-02-17 07:26:49] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, although we reserve the right to mark the contracts how ever we want
[2016-02-17 07:27:01] rapidtrades : well great :)
[2016-02-17 07:27:37] BitMEX_Wally : So our future last traded at 8955 and it is marked to 8947.5 (from SGX) and the underlying index last official price was 9047.5
[2016-02-17 07:27:58] rapidtrades : I see 8940
[2016-02-17 07:28:18] BitMEX_Wally : For which number?
[2016-02-17 07:28:22] rapidtrades : mark
[2016-02-17 07:28:33] BitMEX_Wally : 8950
[2016-02-17 07:28:37] BitMEX_Wally : It ticks every few seconds
[2016-02-17 07:28:46] rapidtrades : not for me
[2016-02-17 07:29:00] rapidtrades : had to refresh
[2016-02-17 07:29:48] rapidtrades : anyone can confirm that mark prices is not moving unless u refresh? a50
[2016-02-17 07:30:03] BitMEX_Wally : It's ticking for me
[2016-02-17 07:30:08] BitMEX_Wally : 8947.5 now
[2016-02-17 07:30:21] rapidtrades : well obv...just checking if its me
[2016-02-17 07:31:10] rapidtrades : who else is here/ check https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/A50G16
[2016-02-17 07:32:36] BitMEX_Wally : The official closing price of the index just printed: https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.A50
[2016-02-17 07:33:42] rapidtrades : so the mark will stop moving now?
[2016-02-17 07:33:50] BitMEX_Wally : No
[2016-02-17 07:33:56] BitMEX_Wally : The index will stop moving until China opens again
[2016-02-17 07:33:59] BitMEX_Wally : But the futures trade on
[2016-02-17 07:38:22] rapidtrades : are those futures 24/5?
[2016-02-17 07:41:23] BitMEX_Wally : 9am to 2am Monday to Friday
[2016-02-17 07:41:31] BitMEX_Wally : Ours are 24/7 though :)
[2016-02-17 07:45:06] kogroken : That's nice
[2016-02-17 08:09:11] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: 9 to 2 china time?
[2016-02-17 08:13:26] BitMEX_Wally : The SGX futures open at 9am and close at 2am China time
[2016-02-17 08:13:32] BitMEX_Wally : UTC+0800
[2016-02-17 08:13:48] rapidtrades : ok tnx
[2016-02-17 08:17:04] rapidtrades : some tool keeping prices low on US exchanges
[2016-02-17 08:17:28] rapidtrades : train has left the station b1tch, step aside or get rolled over
[2016-02-17 08:18:01] elmorte : What was with the 25k walls just now?
[2016-02-17 08:18:18] elmorte : or was it 50k?
[2016-02-17 08:40:04] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 267019 @ 413.37 **REKTosaurus** :cry: :gun: :skull:
[2016-02-17 08:40:26] rapidtrades : tnx sleger
[2016-02-17 08:41:04] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 10 @ 414.07
[2016-02-17 08:43:45] jung1 : So rebuy eth at 0.006 and fun will start again
[2016-02-17 08:44:18] rapidtrades : I wasn't prepared for that pump on 24h
[2016-02-17 08:44:36] jung1 : Yeah
[2016-02-17 08:44:54] rapidtrades : $5 premium there for a sec :(
[2016-02-17 08:44:55] rapidtrades : QQ
[2016-02-17 08:45:03] jung1 : But im not mad
[2016-02-17 08:45:30] rapidtrades : jung1: u long bruh
[2016-02-17 08:45:57] jung1 : Now i just hold
[2016-02-17 08:46:07] rapidtrades : HODL
[2016-02-17 08:46:17] jung1 : Already made some coin on eth
[2016-02-17 08:46:33] jung1 : And enjoy life
[2016-02-17 08:47:11] jung1 : Less trading is more effective for me
[2016-02-17 08:47:31] jesperf : eth is a hell of a drug
[2016-02-17 08:47:48] jung1 : Digital meth
[2016-02-17 08:47:50] elmorte : It's bat country
[2016-02-17 08:48:14] jung1 : Feel like bitcoin in '12
[2016-02-17 08:48:20] jung1 : With eth
[2016-02-17 08:48:52] elmorte : Same, had no bitcoin in '12
[2016-02-17 08:49:25] rapidtrades : nothing will be like bitcoin is 2012...u missed it
[2016-02-17 08:49:28] rapidtrades : deal with it
[2016-02-17 08:49:42] jung1 : Bitcoin is still hipster technology and i bet that like 25% bitcoiners already know eth
[2016-02-17 08:49:56] jung1 : So its nothing
[2016-02-17 08:50:11] elmorte : know of it, yeah....what to do with it, no
[2016-02-17 08:50:24] elmorte : Just like btc in '12 :)
[2016-02-17 08:50:56] jung1 : Best time to plant a tree was 15 years ago, and now
[2016-02-17 08:51:06] jung1 : ;)
[2016-02-17 08:52:13] jung1 : BitMEX_Wally: Any chance to add bitmex to tabtrader?
[2016-02-17 08:53:08] BitMEX_Wally : Looks good. We'll reach out to them
[2016-02-17 08:54:32] jung1 : Would be cool but they dont have isolate option etc so you have to figure out this
[2016-02-17 08:54:54] jung1 : But its really cool for trading multiple coins
[2016-02-17 08:55:14] jung1 : Works better than polo site when you trade on polo heh
[2016-02-17 08:55:17] djuan : Moon
[2016-02-17 08:57:34] jung1 : BitMEX_Wally: You should get some kind of customers support award
[2016-02-17 08:57:46] jung1 : Bitmex ftw
[2016-02-17 08:58:01] BitMEX_Wally : Having customers on our platform and growing is its own reward
[2016-02-17 08:58:15] jung1 : <3
[2016-02-17 08:58:51] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-02-17 08:59:27] jung1 : rapidtrades: u see? They even like you
[2016-02-17 08:59:47] jung1 : Or at least they act like they do
[2016-02-17 09:00:28] rapidtrades : I talked to the bitcoin police and they said ''DAQUAN is the realist in the game''
[2016-02-17 09:00:38] rapidtrades : Shkreli 2016
[2016-02-17 09:00:50] rapidtrades : *realest
[2016-02-17 09:01:54] jung1 : Duckuan?
[2016-02-17 09:02:06] rapidtrades : WHERE'S MY F*CKING PREMIUM
[2016-02-17 09:03:06] rapidtrades : guess I should be grateful there's no DPE
[2016-02-17 09:05:22] rapidtrades : 267019 contracts
[2016-02-17 09:11:06] rapidtrades : ''I'm gonna shoot Sitoshi''
[2016-02-17 09:11:10] rapidtrades : Shkreli 2016
[2016-02-17 09:13:25] tscha : you like this guy don't you
[2016-02-17 09:13:46] rapidtrades : maybe?
[2016-02-17 09:18:51] laisee : when a hero comes along ...
[2016-02-17 09:19:47] tscha : BitMEX_Wally: just out of curiousity, why is there a scheduled downtime today? some fix or a feature that you can't deploy softly?
[2016-02-17 09:20:07] BitMEX_Wally : Yes
[2016-02-17 09:20:16] rapidtrades : wtf no
[2016-02-17 09:20:24] rapidtrades : DENIED
[2016-02-17 09:20:30] BitMEX_Wally : It will probably be a lot quicker than scheduled
[2016-02-17 09:21:02] tscha : fix or feature? --> yes :)
[2016-02-17 09:21:09] BitMEX_Wally : Both
[2016-02-17 09:34:50] micmix : scheduled downtime? when?
[2016-02-17 09:35:20] tscha : 14.00 utc
[2016-02-17 09:35:33] tscha : when little micmix is sleeping :)
[2016-02-17 09:43:24] chromaticcr : BitMEX_Wally: How simpleOrderQty round