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[2016-01-15 14:32:40] jung1 : yep
[2016-01-15 14:32:46] jung1 : Im bearish too
[2016-01-15 14:39:40] REKT : Getting chopped to death is fun, everyone should try it!
[2016-01-15 14:39:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 1500 @ 390.28
[2016-01-15 14:40:52] podizzle3k : wow 7d is on crack
[2016-01-15 14:41:37] podizzle3k : $10 swing
[2016-01-15 14:43:32] Akaiapc40 : dump again?
[2016-01-15 14:44:06] Crypto Wealth : 7 day contracts will trap you with a loose spread
[2016-01-15 14:44:28] Crypto Wealth : put in an order and it'll widen the gap
[2016-01-15 14:51:49] jung1 : how fun trading is today
[2016-01-15 15:00:11] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 130 @ 392.59
[2016-01-15 15:12:12] sleger : long term basis needs adjustment again
[2016-01-15 15:15:19] jung1 : so '16 started with cryptsy bankrupcy and hearn
[2016-01-15 15:15:30] jung1 : and its just 2 weeks of '16
[2016-01-15 15:15:58] laisee : Bitcoin is dead, yet again.
[2016-01-15 15:16:49] jung1 : [*]
[2016-01-15 15:16:58] jung1 : I need dynamic stop losses
[2016-01-15 15:18:35] habibi : 15:26 - jung1: Im short on 7d since 497. I will keep it couple of days 16:16 - jung1: I need dynamic stop losses
[2016-01-15 15:18:38] habibi : :D
[2016-01-15 15:19:20] BitMEX_Sam : Those are coming, by the way :
[2016-01-15 15:19:30] jung1 : when?
[2016-01-15 15:19:42] habibi : xbu7d orderbook looks awsome
[2016-01-15 15:19:51] BitMEX_Sam : Next week most likely; issue is we have to do some significant adjustment in the UI to get it in
[2016-01-15 15:20:04] BitMEX_Sam : It'll hit the API first.
[2016-01-15 15:22:06] jung1 : BitMEX_Sam: what you think about hear announcement?
[2016-01-15 15:22:37] BitMEX_Sam : It's sad to lose a talented dev, BitcoinJ was a great project
[2016-01-15 15:23:06] jung1 : well he is now in R3
[2016-01-15 15:23:08] BitMEX_Sam : Not everyone is perfect but I believe he's correct to say that Bitcoin is floundering without clear leadership, a true BDFL like Satoshi was
[2016-01-15 15:23:35] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah - R3 has the resources
[2016-01-15 15:23:38] laisee : maybe he will become an ETH developer now
[2016-01-15 15:23:45] BitMEX_Sam : I'm sure he's doing just fine
[2016-01-15 15:24:00] Swedishnut : I think it is a hiccup nothing more
[2016-01-15 15:24:16] BitMEX_Sam : If this proposal to effectively raise the limit goes through and we get some breathing room, that'd be good
[2016-01-15 15:24:17] jung1 : I think he will cooperate with r3 and develope closed blockchain for banks
[2016-01-15 15:24:29] BitMEX_Sam : Well of course he will cooperate, they're paying him, he's an employee
[2016-01-15 15:25:24] laisee : he's correct to point out that blockchain tech can be fixed, but the people side seems quite broken
[2016-01-15 15:25:32] BitMEX_Sam : Agreed
[2016-01-15 15:25:51] habibi : dont u think the way the expressed all that drama was only for one think? other make market dump intentionally for someone business or just acting like" i sold so it would be big pita for me if price goes up, so i will try to broke ur fun
[2016-01-15 15:26:01] BitMEX_Sam : For a while I considered not saying anything about any of it, because the people side is so broken that they've got Bitcoin companies fearing DDoS for saying what they think
[2016-01-15 15:26:37] jung1 : and true is that people dont give a f about decentralisation, transparency etc. If something will work they will jump on it. So if the will develope solution, new standard for banking that allow avarage user to send 10 cents to japan in 5s bitcoin will stay a interesting tool for geeks
[2016-01-15 15:26:54] Swedishnut : people are broken that is our nature (up for debate obvious philosophy) but machines work "perfectly" if they are made virtually they can never have pieces wear out so to say. we broken things must work to perfect the systems that balance our world or we will find ourselves homeless
[2016-01-15 15:27:13] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, at this point in time there are few to no Bitcoin killer apps, but they are coming
[2016-01-15 15:27:45] BitMEX_Sam : But if standard banking (especially in the US) actually gets it together it will make some of Bitcoin's value propositions less compelling
[2016-01-15 15:28:05] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: adjustment of long term basis ?
[2016-01-15 15:28:17] BitMEX_Sam : Let me ping Arthur on that
[2016-01-15 15:28:21] jung1 : I was in tuesday on blockchain london conference and a lot of people was sceptic about bitcoins future
[2016-01-15 15:28:40] laisee : Swedishnut: > how to fix the people side ... what went wrong with Core will happen even more if Bitcoin gets bigger. So I'm a little depressed at it all.
[2016-01-15 15:29:10] BitMEX_Sam : It would be nice if the two largest Bitcoin communities weren't controlled by the same guy, who clearly has no interest in open communication
[2016-01-15 15:29:28] BitMEX_Sam : Once the community wrests itself free of his control I hope we will see improvement
[2016-01-15 15:30:05] Swedishnut : We need a chaotic intervention and adoption by an open sourced intelligent community
[2016-01-15 15:30:12] laisee : I'd like to see that happen ... but I fear the next schism will only be worse.
[2016-01-15 15:30:27] Swedishnut : aliens?
[2016-01-15 15:30:29] tscha : I agree with Mike on all major points. He phrased it over-dramatic on purpose to make the point clear. Will be interesting to see what happens when Classic actually goes online in terms of DDOS attacks.
[2016-01-15 15:30:48] tscha : They are going to get nuked.
[2016-01-15 15:30:58] laisee : tscha: > it'll get killed by DDOS and worse. sadly.
[2016-01-15 15:32:00] SnackyCoins : i think the inventor of bittorrent said it best
[2016-01-15 15:32:02] SnackyCoins : https://twitter.com/bramcohen/status/687778283916664832
[2016-01-15 15:32:52] SnackyCoins : or no, todd did 8) https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/687759861682188288
[2016-01-15 15:33:12] laisee : Snack> can post here ... not able to see twitter currently.
[2016-01-15 15:33:28] SnackyCoins : Bram Cohen ‏@bramcohen 16h16 hours ago @SwiftOnSecurity @nytimes That was one whiny ragequit. He's epically wrong on almost all technical points.
[2016-01-15 15:34:21] SnackyCoins : i mean the NYT article called him a "prominent bitcoin developer"
[2016-01-15 15:34:27] SnackyCoins : he doesn't have a single commit to bitcoin
[2016-01-15 15:34:30] laisee : classic Core developer response. missing the entire point of it all.
[2016-01-15 15:34:42] SnackyCoins : he also said the miners wont let bitcoin grow
[2016-01-15 15:34:55] SnackyCoins : when all major chinese pools were in favor of 8mb blocks
[2016-01-15 15:35:06] SnackyCoins : dude is a liar
[2016-01-15 15:35:21] SnackyCoins : bram choen is not a bitcoin dev
[2016-01-15 15:35:29] SnackyCoins : he's the guy who invented bittorrent
[2016-01-15 15:35:33] jung1 : but remember that bitcoin have same functionality if its worth 10000$ and 1$
[2016-01-15 15:36:43] BitMEX_Sam : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10908287
[2016-01-15 15:37:05] BitMEX_Sam : Re: backlogs, we're already seeing it on withdrawals
[2016-01-15 15:37:18] j8 : speaking of DDOS... coinbase down?
[2016-01-15 15:37:21] BitMEX_Sam : We have a few that have been pending for 3 hours now, because the fee was 0.0001
[2016-01-15 15:37:38] BitMEX_Sam : j8: Coinbase is up from this end
[2016-01-15 15:37:54] j8 : the api?
[2016-01-15 15:37:55] laisee : SnackyCoins: > didn't say he was a Core dev, just his response was same style.
[2016-01-15 15:37:57] BitMEX_Sam : j8: I take that back, API is down
[2016-01-15 15:37:59] BitMEX_Sam : 503
[2016-01-15 15:38:30] j8 : yup
[2016-01-15 15:39:01] tscha : Mike did more for Bitcoin than 99.999% of the Bitcoin community. It baffles me when people say things like he didn't contribute anything or has no technical understanding. Just confirms the massive brainwash effect that those censored, north-korean like communities have on people. So yeah, I agree with Mike and BitMEX_Sam, these communities need to be free of censorship to start open discussions.
[2016-01-15 15:40:12] BitMEX_Sam : Getting a strange base64 JS blob from the exchange j8, their own CSP is blocking it
[2016-01-15 15:40:21] j8 : weird
[2016-01-15 15:40:36] SnackyCoins : http://toom.im/files/consensus_census.pdf was what i was going off of
[2016-01-15 15:40:40] SnackyCoins : and hearn's git.
[2016-01-15 15:41:22] BitMEX_Sam : j8: https://gist.github.com/STRML/fc4fe06edb861c43b5ed
[2016-01-15 15:41:26] j8 : seems to have just come online again
[2016-01-15 15:41:31] SnackyCoins : if he says they went back on their word about it well fuck, can't say shit about it i guess
[2016-01-15 15:41:56] BitMEX_Sam : Interesting, mine came on as well; they managed to make it auto-refresh on uptime
[2016-01-15 15:41:58] BitMEX_Sam : That's a nice trick
[2016-01-15 15:42:32] j8 : i guess that's what that does.
[2016-01-15 15:47:41] lockhedge : BitMEX_Sam: finally Mike is telling us his conspiracy theory directly "even in the best case scenario, the community will essentially accept that Bitcoin is controlled by the Chinese government and grows or shrinks at their whim"
[2016-01-15 15:49:37] SnackyCoins : i agree with him there but probably not for the reasons he thinks
[2016-01-15 15:50:37] sleger : so one guy writes in his blog and price crashes 10%
[2016-01-15 15:50:57] SnackyCoins : when it gets published in the NYT, yeah
[2016-01-15 15:51:16] laisee : I don't think it's under control of China ... but strange that none of the so-called cypher-punks and decentralization folks see no issue with > 50% mimining in China
[2016-01-15 15:52:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 3500 @ 541.68
[2016-01-15 15:52:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 8000 @ 542.66
[2016-01-15 15:52:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 250 @ 548.06
[2016-01-15 15:52:22] REKT : Close your longs, close your shorts, choppy waters ahead!
[2016-01-15 15:52:28] laisee : ... and price will recover from article but same people and centralized mining issues are going to kill Bitcoin IMO
[2016-01-15 15:55:07] habibi : that manual adjusment lel
[2016-01-15 15:55:31] sleger : it was long overdue
[2016-01-15 15:55:43] habibi : yep
[2016-01-15 15:56:03] sleger : that 32k order on h16 is tempting
[2016-01-15 15:56:29] habibi : it need adjusment as well
[2016-01-15 15:59:10] lockhedge : the only problem Bitcoin has: there is no central leadership (well, that's the idea behind Bitcoin) and it takes more time to organize change decentrally.
[2016-01-15 15:59:50] zanza : Thermos is a great lrader
[2016-01-15 15:59:59] zanza : leader
[2016-01-15 16:00:31] sleger : Hot Matters. Cold Matters. It Matters.
[2016-01-15 16:00:36] zanza : Cryptsy + Mike Hearn may send this to 200's
[2016-01-15 16:00:39] tscha : 1) We have a great leader, 2) Core isn't decentralized. They had more than enough time.
[2016-01-15 16:02:18] tscha : I don't feel that the delay in changes is caused by "decentralization". It is caused by one party intentionally delaying/sabotizing changes.
[2016-01-15 16:08:02] laisee : currently bitcoin is being blocked. there is no question 2MB could not be rolled out in a month or so, if allowed.
[2016-01-15 16:10:08] lockhedge : tscha: in democracy, it's always "one party intentionally delaying/sabotizing changes", this "one party" is always the others, i'm not surprised that miners fear changes
[2016-01-15 16:12:18] lockhedge : laisee: 2mb would be an important signal that miners react fast and show that necessary improvements are possible. imo there is a strong incentive for miners to act now.
[2016-01-15 16:12:38] tscha : In democracy, I don't see DoS attacks from the leading democratic party onto the other parties.
[2016-01-15 16:12:51] tscha : Yeah it's not proven it was them, but they have the highest incentive so the probability is high.
[2016-01-15 16:13:33] laisee : lockhedge: > if 2MB can't be done becos of Core blocking and/or miners not agreeing to change then Bitcoin is broken IMO.
[2016-01-15 16:16:24] tscha : lockhedge: Also, in democracy there is freedom of public speech. The biggest Bitcoin online communities remind me more of North-Korea.
[2016-01-15 16:17:39] tscha : Every idea/comment/thread about different Bitcoin implementations got insta-deleted. Is that democratic to you? @lockhedge
[2016-01-15 16:17:52] laisee : tscha: > when software can be written to do anything, why would anyone want to censor ideas. crazy.
[2016-01-15 16:18:13] BitMEX_Sam : I don't know why he even bothers
[2016-01-15 16:18:29] BitMEX_Sam : It takes so much time and effort to censor and the net effect is overwhelmingly negative
[2016-01-15 16:18:33] BitMEX_Sam : I'm not sure what his motivations are.
[2016-01-15 16:19:33] tscha : Well they successfully delayed public information about the seriousness of this matter for like 6 months.
[2016-01-15 16:23:19] Swedishnut : recession imminent?
[2016-01-15 16:25:50] tscha : BitMEX_Sam: It's quite possible they are just buying time for the lightning network to be ready. So miners won't risk an experimantal hardfork to only get DoS-ed, but instead chose the safer Blockstream solution.
[2016-01-15 16:26:15] BitMEX_Sam : That's a possibility I haven't considered
[2016-01-15 16:26:21] tscha : Not saying it is that way, but is a possibility since the incentives are clear within the core-dev team due to the Blockstream connection/payrolls
[2016-01-15 16:26:28] BitMEX_Sam : Although in these cases I usually assume incompetence, not malice
[2016-01-15 16:27:37] lockhedge : tscha: no, that's not democratic and completely not acceptable - but 1) i don't use these spam communities anymore 2) the admin of this communities is not the leader of Bitcoin nor is the chinese gov imo 3) public information about the scalability problem was always there
[2016-01-15 16:28:33] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT7D`: Buy 5000 @ 397.43
[2016-01-15 16:33:36] tscha : CeO of KNC miner (7% hashrate overall) just confirmed in an email they will switch to Bitcoin Classic ASAP. Good news.
[2016-01-15 16:34:53] lockhedge : tscha: great
[2016-01-15 16:35:50] zanza : BitMEX_Sam: can you confirm if Mike Hearn has an account here, and if he shorted any of the XBT's this week?
[2016-01-15 16:36:14] zanza : :)
[2016-01-15 16:36:31] BitMEX_Sam : Even if he had, I couldn't confirm that
[2016-01-15 16:36:33] BitMEX_Sam : :)
[2016-01-15 16:37:06] BitMEX_Sam : tscha: Bitcoin Classic has some good things going for it. It's like a pull request with absolutely minimal changes, which is really what you need to do in order to get anything through in a big project
[2016-01-15 16:37:16] BitMEX_Sam : Some people want to roll an RBF rollback into classic but I think that's unwise
[2016-01-15 16:41:11] laisee : agree, leave all contentious changes aside for now. best chance for Classic not to get killed.
[2016-01-15 16:41:33] BitMEX_Sam : Yep.
[2016-01-15 16:45:06] djuan : chart is stuck man.
[2016-01-15 16:45:31] BitMEX_Sam : djuan: I'm pushing a fix now that will restart the chart automatically in certain conditions
[2016-01-15 16:45:43] BitMEX_Sam : Will be live in about 5min.
[2016-01-15 16:45:47] djuan : cool beans buddy
[2016-01-15 16:45:52] BitMEX_Sam : In the meantime you can fix it by navigating to any page and back to the dashboard, or refreshing
[2016-01-15 16:46:25] djuan : thanks
[2016-01-15 16:46:37] tscha : People seem to be scared to trade futures atm. Usually the volume ratio bitmex/spot is much higher.
[2016-01-15 16:49:36] BitMEX_Sam : We had a very slow day yesterday which is contributing to the low 24H
[2016-01-15 16:50:14] tscha : true
[2016-01-15 17:11:17] zanza : more people trade on the way up ?
[2016-01-15 17:13:32] laisee : zanza: > only 98% ...
[2016-01-15 17:19:53] tscha : Haha, the letter from knc saying that they will switch to Bitcoin Classic got instantly removed on /r/Bitcoin
[2016-01-15 17:22:21] laisee : they might run out of posts that can be posted and companies that have not be banned at some point.
[2016-01-15 17:24:46] tscha : Yeah. Hopefully this happens before Bitcoin gets damaged further.
[2016-01-15 17:33:24] gouda : who's ready to catch knives with m e
[2016-01-15 17:37:57] zanza : Bitcoin is "anti-fragile" :)
[2016-01-15 17:38:14] zanza : I think this is a good buying oppertunity, but i am neutral
[2016-01-15 17:38:28] zanza : could easy rebound to 420 in 2-3 days
[2016-01-15 17:39:00] sleger : march basis is still too high, I wonder if maybe they're not lowering it to avoid triggering some stop losses
[2016-01-15 17:40:30] habibi : probally close to dpe with that 32k liq
[2016-01-15 17:41:02] arbitrage001 : have some short on march
[2016-01-15 17:41:10] arbitrage001 : and ton of short on june contract
[2016-01-15 17:41:25] arbitrage001 : think i hold 20% of all outstanding jjune contract
[2016-01-15 17:41:33] arbitrage001 : short side that is
[2016-01-15 17:43:55] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH16`: Sell 3514 @ 450.15
[2016-01-15 17:44:15] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 999 @ 391.00
[2016-01-15 17:44:26] zanza : sleger you think march is too high? seems about right to me
[2016-01-15 17:45:01] zanza : I think the 24H and 7D are unusualy low right now
[2016-01-15 17:45:46] gouda : nah i think we will go lower
[2016-01-15 17:46:01] gouda : i believe 350 will be seen
[2016-01-15 17:46:03] gouda : blood will be had
[2016-01-15 17:46:12] gouda : https://twitter.com/CryptoCobain/status/688028020905492482
[2016-01-15 17:46:25] zanza : Mike Hearn was a pretty big figure in Bitcoin
[2016-01-15 17:47:05] zanza : but this is "Cryptsy" hack also
[2016-01-15 17:47:08] zanza : 13,000 BTC
[2016-01-15 17:47:25] zanza : that should have been "hack"
[2016-01-15 17:47:39] tscha : gouda: btcdrak, haha
[2016-01-15 17:47:42] gouda : cryptsy thing real shaddy
[2016-01-15 17:48:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 3642 @ 390.42
[2016-01-15 17:49:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 500 @ 391.55
[2016-01-15 17:49:45] REKT : :roller_coaster: :chart_with_downwards_trend: :japanese_goblin:
[2016-01-15 17:49:45] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1900 @ 389.05
[2016-01-15 17:57:14] BitMEX_Sam : @all Please note the scheduled downtime notice for Sunday
[2016-01-15 17:57:20] BitMEX_Sam : Details are in the announcements dropdown near your username on the top right
[2016-01-15 17:58:06] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: tell arthur he has to adjust basis against for h16
[2016-01-15 17:58:17] sleger : please
[2016-01-15 17:58:42] BitMEX_Sam : :+1: just a moment
[2016-01-15 18:02:24] lockhedge : anybody has an idea why Coinbase can be 10$ below Bitstamp? were are the arb traders gone? or is CB down?
[2016-01-15 18:03:59] irbbqu : woah, pretty sick.
[2016-01-15 18:04:40] tscha : almost $15 below finex, interesting
[2016-01-15 18:06:05] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH16`: Sell 110 @ 445.58
[2016-01-15 18:07:06] habibi : yep dpe ;p
[2016-01-15 18:07:23] sleger : that's the 35k order ?
[2016-01-15 18:12:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 854 @ 395.73
[2016-01-15 18:12:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 7000 @ 395.11
[2016-01-15 18:12:35] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 15785 @ 395.70 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-01-15 18:16:43] tscha : https://twitter.com/valeryvavilov/status/688054411650818048?s=09
[2016-01-15 18:16:56] tscha : 18% total hashrate
[2016-01-15 18:19:37] lockhedge : tscha: Bitmain/Antpool BitFury BW.COM HAOBTC.com KnCMiner Genesis Mining
[2016-01-15 18:20:16] lockhedge : tscha: and Coinbase OKCoin Bitstamp see footer https://bitcoinclassic.com/
[2016-01-15 18:20:23] djuan : BitMEX_Sam: can an order be edited by dragging the "price box" on the chart up or down? when i do it the numbers don't change in active orders. it just seems more efficient to be able to do that
[2016-01-15 18:22:25] tscha : lockhedge: Yepp. It's still important that they publically reassure Classic support though.
[2016-01-15 18:23:14] tscha : agreeing with classic is good, stating they they will actively switch ASAP is even better
[2016-01-15 18:23:22] zanza : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-15/sp-enters-latest-european-scandal-downgrades-poland-bbb
[2016-01-15 18:31:56] lockhedge : tscha: right, they should actually announce exactly **when** they switch
[2016-01-15 18:36:38] rapidtrades : offering m16 around mid-price...come and get em
[2016-01-15 18:37:04] sleger : all last trades at 525 though
[2016-01-15 18:37:25] rapidtrades : hush
[2016-01-15 18:38:55] sleger : So the liq algo basically tries to make money by not being too agressive and right now the order on H16 is costing DPE although it could have been executed at that price if it had first gone there.
[2016-01-15 18:41:43] rapidtrades : dpe sucks man
[2016-01-15 18:42:28] arbitrage001 : trader should know the risk involved using new platform
[2016-01-15 18:42:48] arbitrage001 : then adjust trading strategy accordingly
[2016-01-15 18:42:51] sleger : yes, but is this the case ?
[2016-01-15 18:44:30] arbitrage001 : i am new here also, so dont take my words too seriously
[2016-01-15 18:50:09] rapidtrades : S&P nearing August lows
[2016-01-15 19:13:38] zanza : rapidtrades: how are your arbs doing ?
[2016-01-15 19:17:05] BitMEX_Sam : djuan: Dragging prices boxes does not currently change the price, but one day we may offer the option
[2016-01-15 19:17:59] djuan : ok cool thanks ?
[2016-01-15 19:28:45] djuan : does anybody here ever trade eth
[2016-01-15 19:31:30] rapidtrades : zanza: going ok...finex is shit tho
[2016-01-15 19:33:03] habibi : i dont see point trading here when there is no liq when u can trade on poloniex, with same leverage i think?
[2016-01-15 19:34:55] djuan : i don't like the way etc behaves ? I'm never trading etc again
[2016-01-15 19:35:07] djuan : eth
[2016-01-15 19:38:45] BitMEX_Wally : habibi: Poloniex only offers 2.5x leverage?
[2016-01-15 19:39:47] habibi : was'nt sure about that, sorry. but still here is kind of useless as long as eth believers are not here actively trading
[2016-01-15 19:42:00] tscha : "i dont see point trading here when there is no liq when u can trade on poloniex" According to that logic, there can't be any new exchanges, since every new exchanges starts with 0 liquidity and then it makes no sense trading there.
[2016-01-15 19:42:40] sleger : That's not at all what he said
[2016-01-15 19:44:35] habibi : but still here is kind of useless as long as eth believers are not here actively trading
[2016-01-15 19:44:45] habibi : tscha: don't be a pita ;)
[2016-01-15 19:45:38] djuan : regardless. eth is crap
[2016-01-15 19:46:11] djuan : only good for swapping between other coins on shapeshift
[2016-01-15 19:49:45] djuan : anybody buy REPS during the augur crowdsale?
[2016-01-15 19:50:22] BitMEX_Wally : Maybe we should increase the leverage on `ETH7D`?
[2016-01-15 19:50:36] sleger : and ask the MM to make markets there ?
[2016-01-15 19:51:13] djuan : BitMEX_Wally: that might add a little spice to the trade
[2016-01-15 19:51:17] BitMEX_Wally : They can earn the spread and get 2.5 bps rebate, plus hedge it perfectly with ETH/XBT. What more do we need to ask them?
[2016-01-15 19:54:19] djuan : im a new trader. "2.5bps rebate" is like gibberish to me. what does that mean ?
[2016-01-15 19:54:41] BitMEX_Wally : The trading fee is -0.025%
[2016-01-15 19:55:01] BitMEX_Wally : Meaning if you post a limit order and someone else trades against you, then you get paid cash
[2016-01-15 19:55:27] sleger : or more like btc
[2016-01-15 19:55:37] BitMEX_Wally : &btc; is cash
[2016-01-15 19:55:40] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/fees
[2016-01-15 19:57:19] djuan : oh well in that case that sounds good. not sure what else there is to ask. maybe they could throw in a free starbucks coupon lol
[2016-01-15 19:58:27] BitMEX_Wally : https://coffee.foldapp.com
[2016-01-15 19:59:21] djuan : yeah i use fold app too. ?
[2016-01-15 20:00:02] BitMEX_Wally : We will discuss internally about increasing the leverage on `ETH7D`
[2016-01-15 20:00:34] djuan : thanks
[2016-01-15 20:00:59] habibi : BitMEX_Wally: u can attract eth traders by this but first of all they need to know about that awsome futures exchange! marketing marketing marketing. djuan u said like 15 minutes ago that u won't touch eth, d
[2016-01-15 20:01:08] habibi : don't i
[2016-01-15 20:01:21] habibi : ..Don't u ? :
[2016-01-15 20:03:39] djuan : nope. you're paraphrasing
[2016-01-15 20:05:28] habibi : 20:34 - djuan: i don't like the way etc behaves ? I'm never trading etc again 20:35 - djuan: eth ah yea, sry then :
[2016-01-15 20:05:58] djuan : stop putting words in my mouth
[2016-01-15 20:08:31] djuan : is it just me or can you not make any sense of the litecoin chart
[2016-01-15 20:17:18] habibi : mine is fine
[2016-01-15 20:18:12] rapidtrades : hey what happpens when u click CLAIM in bitfinex
[2016-01-15 20:18:41] djuan : if you close you get btw. if you claim you get usd
[2016-01-15 20:18:50] djuan : btc ffs
[2016-01-15 20:19:14] rapidtrades : will it close my position
[2016-01-15 20:19:20] djuan : yes
[2016-01-15 20:19:37] rapidtrades : ...f finex POS cuntshit
[2016-01-15 20:19:58] rapidtrades : is my open profit used to cover margin funding?
[2016-01-15 20:19:59] djuan : thats what happened to me anyway. i only traded on there once. i don't like it
[2016-01-15 20:20:46] rapidtrades : I have like +$400 there cos stupid cunty finex will not give ur profit unless ur entire position is closed
[2016-01-15 20:20:54] djuan : not sure mate. i set coincide up to take over trading for me there. i prefer bitmex
[2016-01-15 20:21:12] djuan : coincube
[2016-01-15 20:21:14] rapidtrades : so that $400 in profit is locked now...cuntyshit finex
[2016-01-15 20:21:17] sleger : yes finex and realizes pnl is dumb
[2016-01-15 20:21:21] djuan : damn auto correct
[2016-01-15 20:21:37] sleger : at least as much as settlement fees logic here
[2016-01-15 20:23:24] rapidtrades : this amateurish market is slowly wearing me down...its mostly easy money but f it's driving me up the wall
[2016-01-15 20:24:14] rapidtrades : the clawbacks, the partial fills, the bot games....the web-based trading.....
[2016-01-15 20:24:46] sleger : wasnt your "mid" market order earlier on M16 for 200 lots only ?
[2016-01-15 20:24:48] rapidtrades : the high fees unless u use limits...I mean wtf bitcoin
[2016-01-15 20:25:10] rapidtrades : sleger: yeah just rolled over my h16...don't want to risk clawback
[2016-01-15 20:26:00] sleger : smart trade
[2016-01-15 20:26:21] rapidtrades : tnx :)
[2016-01-15 20:44:00] rapidtrades : sleger: still long baller sledger?
[2016-01-15 20:48:09] sleger : yep, but I am short H16 which is becoming an issue now
[2016-01-15 20:48:17] sleger : unfortunately i cant exit as easily as you did
[2016-01-15 20:49:00] rapidtrades : ah gl
[2016-01-15 20:50:13] rapidtrades : I need to short more but that clawback issue will limit my exposure to futures...maybe if rates on finex spike I will reconsider
[2016-01-15 20:54:28] sleger : anyone having problem with 0kcoin fut websocket api for trading ?
[2016-01-15 21:10:36] sleger : (now its fine, but issues 24h ago)
[2016-01-15 21:14:49] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 10 @ 391.14
[2016-01-15 21:20:39] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 10 @ 390.84
[2016-01-15 21:29:00] blackwhite : so guys where do we go next? a lot of moving this week.
[2016-01-15 21:31:22] jung1 : I think that we can go down
[2016-01-15 21:31:34] jung1 : to around 350-360
[2016-01-15 21:31:38] laisee : down, then up once bitcoin forks
[2016-01-15 21:31:51] jung1 : and then donw again
[2016-01-15 21:31:59] jung1 : and up
[2016-01-15 21:32:05] laisee : yep. it's a cycle.
[2016-01-15 21:32:05] jung1 : and right
[2016-01-15 21:36:50] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 200 @ 391.39
[2016-01-15 21:38:10] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 5000 @ 389.55
[2016-01-15 21:46:40] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 98 @ 390.47
[2016-01-15 21:47:03] jung1 : wtf on 7d
[2016-01-15 21:49:13] habibi : jung1: ?
[2016-01-15 21:49:37] jung1 : there was basicly empty orderbook
[2016-01-15 21:49:52] habibi : mm bot is gone
[2016-01-15 21:49:53] habibi : sometimes
[2016-01-15 21:50:22] djuan : oh my god you guys. what if we go left? that would freak me out big time
[2016-01-15 21:50:23] tscha : jung1: because finex made a $2 jump I guess
[2016-01-15 21:50:38] habibi : djuan: that would be perfect
[2016-01-15 21:50:41] habibi : we already know left side
[2016-01-15 21:50:48] djuan : lol
[2016-01-15 21:56:02] djuan : did anyone buy reps? i don't understand the thing. i need someone who knows the crack to explain it to me. i invested 4BTC in rep expecting a good return. but the reps got distributed according to how much you put in. and its not a token like BTC or ETH or LTC. will it be worth more than 4BTC? It feels like I've been had
[2016-01-15 21:57:09] gouda : don't even know what reps is :D
[2016-01-15 21:57:12] gouda : i fell left out
[2016-01-15 21:57:13] djuan : theres only going to be 11m reps. and they can only be used on augur
[2016-01-15 21:57:25] qazwsx : You've been had but fret bot because as the old saying goes a sucker is born every min
[2016-01-15 21:57:35] djuan : have you heard of augur?
[2016-01-15 21:58:42] djuan : augur is a market prediction platform (decentralised) built on top of ethereum
[2016-01-15 21:59:36] djuan : its a really good idea. but the way reps were distributed worries me
[2016-01-15 22:01:06] djuan : 1300 Eth from crowdsale got you 30BTC on launch. will 1500 REP get you the same?
[2016-01-15 22:01:10] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 5 @ 388.06
[2016-01-15 22:09:23] gouda : yea i have heard of augur
[2016-01-15 22:12:11] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 10000 @ 388.33
[2016-01-15 22:17:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 100 @ 387.01
[2016-01-15 22:21:49] gouda : blood
[2016-01-15 22:23:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 3000 @ 386.60
[2016-01-15 22:23:11] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH16`: Sell 7195 @ 438.51
[2016-01-15 22:24:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 5 @ 380.84
[2016-01-15 22:24:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 3000 @ 379.30
[2016-01-15 22:24:21] REKT : :btc: :soon: :toilet:
[2016-01-15 22:24:25] jung1 : damn
[2016-01-15 22:24:34] jung1 : more people saw Big Short movie
[2016-01-15 22:24:41] tscha : haha
[2016-01-15 22:24:52] sleger : well done with that H16 liq order for not filling it before by not adjusting the basis properly
[2016-01-15 22:24:53] DareDevil : 250% ROE, sounds not too bad
[2016-01-15 22:25:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH16`: Sell 28 @ 433.80
[2016-01-15 22:27:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 1500 @ 376.87
[2016-01-15 22:27:28] jung1 : hearn have to be happy about his shorts
[2016-01-15 22:27:34] jung1 : over 30$ drop so far
[2016-01-15 22:27:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 10 @ 377.86
[2016-01-15 22:28:22] habibi : BitMEX_Wally: we need xbtm16 readjuse :)
[2016-01-15 22:28:39] sleger : why ?
[2016-01-15 22:28:56] BitMEX_Sam : It's not out of range yet, just not in the absolute middle of the spread
[2016-01-15 22:29:10] sleger : exactly, no reason to readjust now
[2016-01-15 22:29:19] sleger : however big screw up with that H16 order from bitmex
[2016-01-15 22:36:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 3000 @ 379.71
[2016-01-15 22:38:04] jung1 : freefall
[2016-01-15 22:38:37] zanza : holy fk
[2016-01-15 22:39:00] jung1 : meh
[2016-01-15 22:39:05] jung1 : I close too fast my short
[2016-01-15 22:39:06] rapidtrades : pissed off at finex...only got half of my shorts filled ...srsly get canceh
[2016-01-15 22:39:25] zanza : do u have an arb now rapidtrades ?
[2016-01-15 22:39:31] rapidtrades : yea
[2016-01-15 22:39:42] rapidtrades : net short tho
[2016-01-15 22:39:52] zanza : DPE on H16
[2016-01-15 22:40:05] djuan : hate it when my orders get partially filled
[2016-01-15 22:40:42] rapidtrades : it wasn't partial..it was no fill cos it froze near 400
[2016-01-15 22:40:57] zanza : finex has been laggy for years
[2016-01-15 22:41:07] djuan : no i mean now on bitmex
[2016-01-15 22:41:08] rapidtrades : then I was gonna market at 398...forze AGAIN
[2016-01-15 22:41:23] djuan : I've put in a short 16000
[2016-01-15 22:41:30] rapidtrades : so i let it go...mistake on my part
[2016-01-15 22:41:33] djuan : only 5355
[2016-01-15 22:41:46] djuan : sorry to hear mate
[2016-01-15 22:41:49] zanza : there needs to be a buyer to take your order
[2016-01-15 22:41:52] zanza : at the price djuan
[2016-01-15 22:42:09] djuan : ah ok
[2016-01-15 22:42:29] jung1 : check if you dond have grouped orders on orderbook
[2016-01-15 22:42:41] jung1 : (right up corner of orderbook)
[2016-01-15 22:42:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 200 @ 373.20
[2016-01-15 22:42:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 3000 @ 373.38
[2016-01-15 22:43:20] djuan : filled now thanks
[2016-01-15 22:44:53] rapidtrades : guess i learned my lesson...don't use finex when u need to get filled asap
[2016-01-15 22:45:27] djuan : i don't like finex just stay here mate
[2016-01-15 22:46:42] rapidtrades : meh here u have dpe..its pick ur poison with bitcoin sites
[2016-01-15 22:48:10] rapidtrades : it's mostly my fault, had plenty of chances to short around 394-5...but wanted all of it back
[2016-01-15 22:48:18] habibi : and more than 2 months to kill that dpe
[2016-01-15 22:48:19] habibi : dont worry
[2016-01-15 22:48:59] rapidtrades : its settled weekly
[2016-01-15 22:49:16] djuan : thats a gambler mentality but understandable.
[2016-01-15 22:49:33] djuan : no offence mate. i know something about it
[2016-01-15 22:49:45] sleger : instead of taking that 1-2% dpe they played with that order and now we can have 10%+
[2016-01-15 22:50:04] jung1 : guys you are still short?
[2016-01-15 22:50:14] djuan : yeah
[2016-01-15 22:53:01] gouda : yup
[2016-01-15 22:54:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 4000 @ 371.10
[2016-01-15 22:54:47] jung1 : whats your bet about new floor?
[2016-01-15 22:54:57] rapidtrades : 350?
[2016-01-15 22:55:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1455 @ 368.11
[2016-01-15 22:55:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1000 @ 368.94
[2016-01-15 22:55:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH16`: Sell 3 @ 422.25 :punch: :whale:
[2016-01-15 22:56:28] cekseh : So much blood
[2016-01-15 22:56:29] cekseh : =D
[2016-01-15 22:57:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 9269 @ 365.82
[2016-01-15 22:58:05] gouda : death
[2016-01-15 22:59:52] jung1 : bitcoin really could be broken if one guy have so much affect on proce
[2016-01-15 23:00:13] jung1 : price
[2016-01-15 23:01:10] zanza : also the Cryptsy exit scam (13,000 BTC stolen)
[2016-01-15 23:01:15] cekseh : ts.stakepool.com (whaleclub guys) to discuss with traders. And sociopaths..... And a couple good counter-indicators
[2016-01-15 23:01:17] tscha : I tihnk it's just the fact that many investors got confronted with Bitcoin's issues the first time.
[2016-01-15 23:01:46] zanza : cekseh: is taht Norwegian guy still on there?
[2016-01-15 23:01:51] zanza : Fkyrstein
[2016-01-15 23:02:02] cekseh : fyrstikken
[2016-01-15 23:02:06] cekseh : close enough
[2016-01-15 23:02:07] BitMEX_Sam : He's on teamspeak, comes on here now & then
[2016-01-15 23:02:18] zanza : heh
[2016-01-15 23:02:28] BitMEX_Sam : ts.stakepool.com
[2016-01-15 23:02:41] cekseh : Hes probably rather upset today even if he is making money
[2016-01-15 23:02:48] cekseh : He doesnt like downmoves (and isnt talking)
[2016-01-15 23:03:04] zanza : not talking usually means losing money :)
[2016-01-15 23:03:09] zanza : at least for me :)
[2016-01-15 23:03:45] cekseh : I think that is a fairly common response to getting rekt
[2016-01-15 23:05:50] zanza : anyone playing Blade And Soul btw?
[2016-01-15 23:06:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 50 @ 374.15
[2016-01-15 23:06:49] rapidtrades : so any other news besides cryptsy/hearn?
[2016-01-15 23:07:37] jung1 : poland gor BBB rating
[2016-01-15 23:07:40] jung1 : got
[2016-01-15 23:07:42] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 2600 @ 378.59
[2016-01-15 23:07:46] rapidtrades : wasting my time tonight...market too fast to manually arb
[2016-01-15 23:07:51] cekseh : Remember, don't need news to move
[2016-01-15 23:07:59] cekseh : Not that it doesnt help sometimes =)
[2016-01-15 23:08:03] rapidtrades : plus I see no major discrepancies
[2016-01-15 23:08:11] tscha : rapidtrades: you just need quick fingers :D
[2016-01-15 23:09:03] rapidtrades : i need some execution scripts cos finex is shit
[2016-01-15 23:09:18] jung1 : cekseh: news are biggest indicator for bitcoin price
[2016-01-15 23:10:05] rapidtrades : 3m/6m seem overpriced here but what do I know
[2016-01-15 23:10:15] cekseh : Sometimes, mostly depends on if reddit circlejerks itself into a fomo
[2016-01-15 23:10:17] cekseh : =)
[2016-01-15 23:10:40] cekseh : Like the noobs that thought greece was buying when that shit was going down
[2016-01-15 23:11:00] rapidtrades : or Cyprus
[2016-01-15 23:11:52] rapidtrades : there are some early dumb money ppl with too bitcoins..they panic buy/sell from time to time
[2016-01-15 23:12:24] rapidtrades : libtard nerds that mined bitcoins back in 2010
[2016-01-15 23:12:49] cekseh : libtard = libertarian now?
[2016-01-15 23:12:59] rapidtrades : yeah I modded it a bit :)
[2016-01-15 23:15:04] jung1 : yep
[2016-01-15 23:15:19] jung1 : on market money flow from noobs to patients
[2016-01-15 23:15:34] rapidtrades : TIL I'm a patient :)
[2016-01-15 23:15:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 179 @ 375.91
[2016-01-15 23:16:09] jung1 : thats good
[2016-01-15 23:16:19] cekseh : To many people broadly apply those labels... or conform beliefs to those labels that appeal to them
[2016-01-15 23:16:41] cekseh : I like being more open minded so I can upset my libtard friends, the libertarians, and the conservatives
[2016-01-15 23:16:43] jung1 : I still have to work on my consequence
[2016-01-15 23:16:56] cekseh : <-- Equal opportunity offender
[2016-01-15 23:18:30] rapidtrades : I'm very close to libertarian but most of them are highly dogmatic...esp when it comes to markets
[2016-01-15 23:19:52] rapidtrades : remember when Greece announced that it was bowing to pressure and accepting the bailout? bitcoin crashed 5 mins later....the dumbest thing I've seen all year
[2016-01-15 23:21:02] rapidtrades : first they imagined that Greeks were buying bitcoins...then they panicked that imaginary flow will stop
[2016-01-15 23:21:29] jung1 : damn that dumn is quite big
[2016-01-15 23:21:41] jung1 : nice
[2016-01-15 23:21:54] jung1 : cheap coins
[2016-01-15 23:22:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1692 @ 372.36
[2016-01-15 23:22:15] cekseh : someone market sold from 386 to 374
[2016-01-15 23:22:16] rapidtrades : where? @jung1
[2016-01-15 23:22:20] cekseh : On quarterly
[2016-01-15 23:22:27] cekseh : And then left a 14k wall there for a minute
[2016-01-15 23:22:32] rapidtrades : ohhh! right
[2016-01-15 23:23:08] jung1 : rapidtrades: around. Im quite shure that in 2016 we will hit new ath
[2016-01-15 23:23:28] jung1 : so more bitcoins for 300$ would be nice
[2016-01-15 23:23:46] rapidtrades : we'll see...I'm short for now
[2016-01-15 23:23:57] jung1 : me too
[2016-01-15 23:24:33] jung1 : but would be awesome to get some XBTM16 for 400
[2016-01-15 23:25:09] cekseh : www.woodchipper.com/future/futureTop.do?type=1&symbol=0
[2016-01-15 23:25:14] cekseh : okc is heavy long
[2016-01-15 23:25:19] jung1 : rapidtrades: you have in portfolio any other altcoins?
[2016-01-15 23:27:05] gouda : LOLOLhttps://twitter.com/gouda_coin/status/688140274573258752
[2016-01-15 23:30:42] cekseh : Linking to your own twitter and loling at it kinda makes you look like a tool =)
[2016-01-15 23:31:38] jung1 : and its not even funny
[2016-01-15 23:31:52] gouda : #tears
[2016-01-15 23:32:12] jung1 : I really like gouda cheese, dont screw that
[2016-01-15 23:32:28] gouda : ill keep it fresh
[2016-01-15 23:33:28] jung1 : 350 tommorow
[2016-01-15 23:34:06] tscha : jung1: is it 23:30 in your timezone?
[2016-01-15 23:34:20] jung1 : 00:30
[2016-01-15 23:34:32] tscha : then I think 'today' is more appropriate :D
[2016-01-15 23:35:02] REKT : Have a bowl of chop-chop suey!
[2016-01-15 23:35:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 6026 @ 369.79
[2016-01-15 23:35:09] jung1 : gmt +1
[2016-01-15 23:35:11] jung1 : yeah
[2016-01-15 23:35:16] jung1 : I mean saturday
[2016-01-15 23:37:27] rapidtrades : what a colossal fuckup
[2016-01-15 23:39:51] gouda : 350 coming
[2016-01-15 23:40:34] jung1 : wait a bit
[2016-01-15 23:40:44] jung1 : Im waiting for me deposit
[2016-01-15 23:40:52] gouda : eta
[2016-01-15 23:41:08] gouda : jung1 trying to short the house
[2016-01-15 23:41:30] macios15 : booom again wtf
[2016-01-15 23:41:55] jung1 : gouda: like in 2008
[2016-01-15 23:42:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 3224 @ 364.44
[2016-01-15 23:43:49] gouda : yup
[2016-01-15 23:44:03] gouda : see you guys back at $275
[2016-01-15 23:44:28] tscha : now it's getting really intersting
[2016-01-15 23:44:47] cekseh : Gotta retest 160
[2016-01-15 23:44:49] cekseh : Then moon
[2016-01-15 23:44:51] cekseh : =D
[2016-01-15 23:45:07] jung1 : yeah I heard it before
[2016-01-15 23:45:56] jung1 : on 450
[2016-01-15 23:45:59] jung1 : 430
[2016-01-15 23:46:06] jung1 : 400
[2016-01-15 23:46:11] jung1 : 375
[2016-01-15 23:46:17] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-01-15 23:47:05] rapidtrades : soul crushing decline...when u make only half of what u should...
[2016-01-15 23:47:16] rapidtrades : finex u f shore
[2016-01-15 23:47:38] jung1 : keep calm and trade on bitmex