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[2016-01-11 12:22:52] zanza : its an obscure pair
[2016-01-11 12:23:05] j8 : sleger: sounds about right
[2016-01-11 12:23:21] laisee : yeah, was thinking rapidtrades may bite given his interest in fx
[2016-01-11 12:23:39] justinlooking : UAHZWD lol wtf who is trading that
[2016-01-11 12:23:53] justinlooking : who trades anything zwd anything?!
[2016-01-11 12:23:57] laisee : zanza: > only way to really trade thos eis with poicket full of US$ and airline ticket.
[2016-01-11 12:24:01] sleger : no bank will waste any ressource streaming a pair nobody trades
[2016-01-11 12:24:50] irbbqu : Grammarpooolice
[2016-01-11 12:25:22] j8 : *resource
[2016-01-11 12:25:38] laisee : grammar nazi are hair
[2016-01-11 12:26:00] irbbqu : Yea, just find it hilarious sleger is the only one around here.
[2016-01-11 12:27:25] rapidtrades : dat premium...I may have to hedge my short with spot
[2016-01-11 12:27:55] laisee : sledger, as he is know to his fans
[2016-01-11 12:28:00] rapidtrades : I don't think it's coming down today
[2016-01-11 12:28:52] j8 : hmm $2 for one day or $4 for 5 days
[2016-01-11 12:29:43] j8 : better long the daily, 50x is just not enough
[2016-01-11 12:30:34] j8 : **4 days
[2016-01-11 12:32:31] rapidtrades : I'll long spot instead tnx for the suggestin tho
[2016-01-11 12:32:59] j8 : rapidtrades: wasn't really serious
[2016-01-11 12:36:57] j8 : just always amazed at the preference for high leverage short term longs here
[2016-01-11 12:38:22] laisee : a.k.a. "gambling"
[2016-01-11 12:47:16] rapidtrades : zanza: what about forex?
[2016-01-11 13:14:24] zanza : what does it stand for ?
[2016-01-11 13:14:28] zanza : "forex"
[2016-01-11 13:23:17] rapidtrades : foreign exchange? lol
[2016-01-11 13:27:47] laisee : rapidtrades: >whats "cable"
[2016-01-11 13:48:08] sleger : the long cord between your pc and the wall ?
[2016-01-11 13:50:28] laisee : yeh, thats it.
[2016-01-11 13:50:38] zanza : PogChamp
[2016-01-11 14:10:40] sleger : someone just market bought 20k
[2016-01-11 14:11:41] irbbqu : omgwtfbbq
[2016-01-11 14:12:09] irbbqu : Slim chances of getting filled otherwise
[2016-01-11 14:36:20] tscha : anyone interest in a m16 deal?
[2016-01-11 14:36:24] tscha : someone wants to sell?
[2016-01-11 14:37:43] sleger : at 640 i can sell
[2016-01-11 14:38:16] tscha : 638.50 is a fair price IMHO
[2016-01-11 14:38:21] tscha : :-)
[2016-01-11 14:38:28] sleger : there you go
[2016-01-11 14:38:48] tscha : thanks
[2016-01-11 14:38:55] sleger : no more ?
[2016-01-11 14:39:21] tscha : no thanks
[2016-01-11 15:01:03] tscha : sleger: maybe 3k more?
[2016-01-11 15:01:26] sleger : go ahead
[2016-01-11 15:01:32] tscha : ty
[2016-01-11 15:22:40] zanza : reported to admins for price fixi
[2016-01-11 15:22:57] zanza : price fixing
[2016-01-11 15:25:06] sleger : "zanza: what does it stand for ? zanza: "forex" " ... LOL
[2016-01-11 15:26:04] zanza : sounds like a bad movie title
[2016-01-11 15:26:22] chromaticcr : cnh 6.6 reached, lets see where it pops up to tmr after pbc takes its hand away
[2016-01-11 15:29:09] sleger : zanza: please explain what you think "price fixing" means ? We all need a good laugh around here
[2016-01-11 15:31:21] laisee : insider trading, on the internet for all to see ... ;-)
[2016-01-11 15:32:00] sleger : not sure what "insider" part was about that trade either
[2016-01-11 15:32:29] chromaticcr : must be the news of "bitcoin ceo is dead"
[2016-01-11 15:33:32] laisee : slegder ... it was joke
[2016-01-11 15:34:17] sleger : alright laidsee, sometimes its hard to tell around here
[2016-01-11 15:35:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 60 @ 450.10
[2016-01-11 15:36:20] laisee : sledge> will add /JOKE to all future "jokes"
[2016-01-11 15:36:48] sleger : someone buying crazy here
[2016-01-11 15:38:19] irbbqu : yea, got 450.50, coudnt resist.
[2016-01-11 15:38:44] irbbqu : lol dayum
[2016-01-11 15:39:04] habibi : wtf:D
[2016-01-11 15:39:15] Swedishnut : yeah wow
[2016-01-11 15:39:19] tscha : sleger: so how much are you short now? :D
[2016-01-11 15:39:31] laisee : cheep coins here
[2016-01-11 15:39:46] habibi : yea 10 dollar premium, pretty cheap
[2016-01-11 15:40:26] sleger : 5=10 ?
[2016-01-11 15:40:49] habibi : there was buy at 455 u super inteligent persona
[2016-01-11 15:40:51] laisee : sure, same set of math formulas that proves 11 == 14
[2016-01-11 15:41:07] habibi : 454.80 exacly
[2016-01-11 15:43:05] sleger : alright but thats more of a fat finger / stupid buy than real premium
[2016-01-11 15:44:21] habibi : yea and actual premium is made by not fat fingers?
[2016-01-11 15:45:38] sleger : exactly, it is what it is now, 4-5$
[2016-01-11 15:50:21] tscha : guess that 454.80 was Marketorder-Mike
[2016-01-11 15:50:45] tscha : doesn't seem like Freddy Fatfinger
[2016-01-11 15:51:19] rapidtrades : the b1tch that's the Euro finally melting down
[2016-01-11 15:51:27] sleger : anyways, it was a pretty dumb order as market wasnt crazy and he could have bought much cheaper
[2016-01-11 15:52:18] rapidtrades : I sense a noon among us
[2016-01-11 15:52:41] rapidtrades : *noob
[2016-01-11 15:57:36] Swedishnut : sp took a dive below 2016 and beyond markets slipping
[2016-01-11 15:57:43] rapidtrades : nice.....
[2016-01-11 15:57:48] rapidtrades : paniK
[2016-01-11 15:57:57] Swedishnut : love some tasty panic
[2016-01-11 15:58:34] Javier : It nearly gave me a stroke
[2016-01-11 15:58:56] rapidtrades : Swedishnut: wait what
[2016-01-11 15:59:13] rapidtrades : ...we opened at 1915 and we're now at 1915
[2016-01-11 15:59:20] rapidtrades : I call FUD on u sir
[2016-01-11 15:59:21] Swedishnut : yeah and usd/cad is flyingying up too
[2016-01-11 15:59:48] laisee : conspiracy explains it all
[2016-01-11 16:00:11] rapidtrades : Swedishnut: that pair is barely up 0.15&
[2016-01-11 16:00:14] rapidtrades : %
[2016-01-11 16:01:56] Swedishnut : yeah I might be a bit sick with a fever and trying to trade today. Just getting excited to so what this week will bring. so far to me it looks like another of the same week before
[2016-01-11 16:02:32] rapidtrades : maybe...we had a very bullish start tho
[2016-01-11 16:02:56] rapidtrades : why didn't u mentioned the usd/chn? down 1.5% today
[2016-01-11 16:03:04] rapidtrades : that's prolly more important for BTC
[2016-01-11 16:03:42] rapidtrades : *USDCNH
[2016-01-11 16:03:56] habibi : this fatfinger is closing his stupid long at 450 all time
[2016-01-11 16:04:15] rapidtrades : how much did he buy
[2016-01-11 16:04:26] Javier : a ton or two
[2016-01-11 16:09:09] habibi : this is the best ping pong i have had here
[2016-01-11 16:09:16] Javier : haha!
[2016-01-11 16:23:02] irbbqu : Fatfinger time for another round of buying
[2016-01-11 16:23:11] irbbqu : Nuke it.
[2016-01-11 16:25:33] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 1 @ 450.84:punch: :whale:
[2016-01-11 16:26:15] BitMEX_Sam : ? ?
[2016-01-11 16:30:44] gartan : do it~
[2016-01-11 16:47:56] tscha : andybody trading spot on gatecoin or heard some experiences?
[2016-01-11 17:15:36] sleger : im sure its a fine exchange, why are you asking ?
[2016-01-11 17:20:45] tscha : I think about trading there and wanted to get some opinions, since I haven't heard much about it before
[2016-01-11 17:21:22] sleger : i would consider it safe. However whats the advantage vs say bitfinex ?
[2016-01-11 17:24:24] tscha : i might trade on both.
[2016-01-11 17:29:00] joequant : The advantage is that they offer XBTEUR and XBTHKD trades. Possibility of arb
[2016-01-11 17:29:10] tscha : joequant: yepp
[2016-01-11 17:31:31] tscha : also, gatecoins has 0% fees for maker and taker when you do marketmaking (quote specific amount under specific spread)
[2016-01-11 17:31:48] tscha : monthly fee for such an account is just 0.8 btc
[2016-01-11 17:32:35] sleger : and no double settlement fees :p
[2016-01-11 17:34:51] tscha : also, on gatecoin you just need 1000 btc traded in 30 days to fall in the lowest-fee-category, while on finex you need 65k atm
[2016-01-11 17:42:25] tscha : the server downtimes @ bitmex are getting more and more frequent
[2016-01-11 17:43:54] BitMEX_Sam : tscha: We have a backend service that is still occasionally unstable, I apologize for this
[2016-01-11 17:44:05] BitMEX_Sam : The downtimes never last more than 20-30s. Making it my top priority.
[2016-01-11 17:44:59] tscha : no worries, was just for the record
[2016-01-11 18:12:18] laisee : China doubling down on it's fight against markets ... http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/af02419a-b819-11e5-bf7e-8a339b6f2164.html#axzz3wrsTYkeY
[2016-01-11 18:14:57] zanza : $31 oil
[2016-01-11 18:15:45] irbbqu : Damn, if it breaks 30..
[2016-01-11 18:21:49] djuan : i lost £100 today on oil thinking it couldn't get any lower. guess i was wrong
[2016-01-11 18:32:37] joequant : I think the FT article got it wrong.
[2016-01-11 18:33:03] joequant : If there is an arb between CNY and CNH there's no need for the PBOC to do anything.
[2016-01-11 18:38:28] laisee : joequant: > it';s not an arb, they are just trying to drive up cost of shorting CNH.
[2016-01-11 18:40:52] j8 : and a big discount on CNH undermines their fixing rate
[2016-01-11 18:42:01] joequant : I don't think that this is what is going on.
[2016-01-11 18:42:49] j8 : give us some truth
[2016-01-11 18:43:09] joequant : PBC changes the onshore fixing rate. This creates a difference between CNY/CNH at which point HK speculators try to arb the difference.
[2016-01-11 18:43:29] joequant : And since CNH liquidity is low, this drives up HIBOR.
[2016-01-11 18:44:23] laisee : China is trying to stop flood of money leaving the country, this is part of that IMO.
[2016-01-11 18:44:28] j8 : CNH has been leading the devaluation, no?
[2016-01-11 18:44:50] joequant : China doesn't care about money leaving the country.
[2016-01-11 18:45:07] joequant : They've been trying to liberalize the economy.
[2016-01-11 18:45:40] laisee : yes, seems like they'd like to slow it down a littlw now
[2016-01-11 18:47:26] j8 : yes and with the SDR deal they said the yuan's value would be more market-driven, i.e. lower spread with offshore.. now it seems they're trying to get the same result by controlling both markets
[2016-01-11 18:48:52] joequant : I really don't think that the PBC is doing very much. When the PBC does something they aren't subtle about it.
[2016-01-11 18:49:35] laisee : buying up CNH is not so subtle ... it's a message to hedge funds not jump in & short the currency
[2016-01-11 18:50:09] joequant : Why should they care if hedge funds short the currency? They have capital controls onshore.
[2016-01-11 18:50:21] joequant : As far as offshore, who cares?
[2016-01-11 18:51:02] laisee : true, but there is around 1TN of money leaked out of China last year, that adds up in the end ...
[2016-01-11 18:52:14] joequant : I don't think that they do. Beijing is not very subtle. If they cared, it would show up in Xinhua and the People's Daily.
[2016-01-11 18:52:19] joequant : It hasn't.
[2016-01-11 18:53:02] j8 : maybe they're just raising cash by closing the arb, they would be able to do it the cheapest and in large quantity i'd imagine
[2016-01-11 18:53:39] joequant : There are people that are making money closing the arb. That's why I don't think it's the PBC doing
[2016-01-11 18:54:28] laisee : j8: > they certainly have the money to move any of the CNY/CNH markets
[2016-01-11 18:54:50] laisee : question is why do they bother?
[2016-01-11 18:55:25] laisee : IMO - looks like standard emerging markets behavior to control markets & capital once money starts to leak out in volume.
[2016-01-11 18:55:26] j8 : lower spread raises confidence in their fixing rate.
[2016-01-11 18:56:01] laisee : yes ... so it's about control over rates and capital.
[2016-01-11 18:56:34] joequant : Except that in China, it's SAFE that does market forex operations and not the PBC.
[2016-01-11 18:56:55] joequant : Having the PBC do operations through HK state banks just seems really weird.
[2016-01-11 18:57:25] laisee : exactly ... it's not normal behavior.
[2016-01-11 18:57:51] joequant : Which makes me think that the FT article got it wrong.
[2016-01-11 19:01:29] laisee : occams razor: simplest explanation is they don't want money leaving China. Why they are afraid is a matter of opinion.
[2016-01-11 19:05:48] messiaen8844 : Damn oil
[2016-01-11 20:28:49] djuan : hi guys. is the market maker any good? it seems way above my know how to setup up. is it worth it?
[2016-01-11 20:33:24] tscha : djuan: the one linked in the references? haven't tried it but I can guarantee you that you won't make a lot of money with it since it's publically availabe to everyone
[2016-01-11 20:34:02] tscha : if something is for free, you can't make money with it. internet rule #1
[2016-01-11 20:34:25] djuan : tscha: ok thanks.
[2016-01-11 20:35:20] tscha : BitMEX_Sam: Hey. May I ask how the long-term XBT fair basis is set exactly? I know it's done manually, but at what intervalls and based on which parameters?
[2016-01-11 21:11:03] HowDoge : is this mainstream enough yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru-Z5kvd9js&t=22
[2016-01-11 21:12:42] rapidtrades : forecasts for today fellas?
[2016-01-11 21:15:29] HowDoge : up btc on family guy last night :p no really I have no idea, its been ranging last two days but my monies on a breakout up, looking at a potential 4hr macd cross too if we can just push to the upside
[2016-01-11 21:15:31] djuan : down to 438
[2016-01-11 21:16:03] rapidtrades : djuan: how it goin fella? how did ur short do
[2016-01-11 21:16:20] djuan : rapidtrades: ha ha
[2016-01-11 21:16:32] djuan : still shorting
[2016-01-11 21:17:41] djuan : tried to long oil today. who knew there was still room downstairs
[2016-01-11 21:18:12] rapidtrades : yeah don't long oil
[2016-01-11 21:18:27] rapidtrades : its the new widow-maker
[2016-01-11 21:18:30] djuan : diesel is 99p a litre at the pump. i thought thats got to be it.
[2016-01-11 22:42:16] rapidtrades : premium too small to sell, too big to buy
[2016-01-11 22:53:10] justinlooking : u fancy upu or down rapid?
[2016-01-11 22:56:12] rapidtrades : hedged atm
[2016-01-11 22:58:45] justinlooking : ur no fun anymore :P
[2016-01-11 23:03:03] tscha : professional risk managers are always perfectly hedged.. well played rapidtrades
[2016-01-11 23:06:35] rapidtrades : looking at HK stocks and only gambling is up
[2016-01-12 00:09:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 15275 @ 447.79 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-01-12 00:09:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 60 @ 447.98
[2016-01-12 00:09:56] rapidtrades : nice
[2016-01-12 00:11:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 29 @ 446.86
[2016-01-12 00:11:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 494 @ 446.91
[2016-01-12 00:11:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 99 @ 446.68
[2016-01-12 00:11:42] REKT : Next stop - goblin town!
[2016-01-12 01:07:54] rapidtrades : heads up b1tches, PBOC fixing in 8 mins
[2016-01-12 01:19:19] rapidtrades : little changed
[2016-01-12 02:22:43] j8 : CNH at par
[2016-01-12 02:30:31] gaoMex : PBOC intervening?
[2016-01-12 02:33:39] j8 : whales gonna whale
[2016-01-12 02:45:05] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 11861 @ 450.14
[2016-01-12 02:45:05] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 50 @ 450.24
[2016-01-12 02:46:05] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 19016 @ 452.30 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-01-12 02:57:51] kingscrown : if you want to get more users here help to spread this guide https://twitter.com/kingscrownBTC/status/686362523621306368 :)
[2016-01-12 03:07:09] cekseh : Or instead of spamming your ref links, people could spam their own.
[2016-01-12 03:49:26] kingscrown : cekseh: if u write such guide, then sure
[2016-01-12 03:49:48] kingscrown : i surely brang here more users than you, so dont hate. i give u liquidity
[2016-01-12 03:53:45] habibi : dont call this a guide man
[2016-01-12 03:56:32] cekseh : Nobody hating kiddo, just stating the obvious. Also making claims about things you don't know kinda labels yourself a fool
[2016-01-12 03:59:09] habibi : like this urs video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjSIsGfpfXw total bullshit and u says stuff like thatis a valuable lesson?
[2016-01-12 04:02:17] cekseh : I like the GAW shill video myself
[2016-01-12 04:02:36] cekseh : You could tell homero garza was a winner long before SEC
[2016-01-12 04:05:26] cekseh : all 3 gaw videos
[2016-01-12 04:05:29] cekseh : Including "Josh The HashKing"
[2016-01-12 04:05:56] cekseh : Dat paycoin gonna make everyone rich
[2016-01-12 04:08:33] kingscrown : give me your real names then we can speak ;)
[2016-01-12 04:08:54] kingscrown : for now its me with 80 affs vs your unknown names with possbiel less than 10
[2016-01-12 05:20:29] ethexio : dem bots
[2016-01-12 06:36:31] rapidtrades : okc now below btc-e, crzy stuff
[2016-01-12 06:36:53] rapidtrades : trade long enough and you'll see everything
[2016-01-12 06:39:03] rapidtrades : china below finex
[2016-01-12 06:40:48] rapidtrades : wonder when Americans will realize that China isn't pulling the horse anymore
[2016-01-12 06:42:27] habibi : yep not first time if u noticed
[2016-01-12 06:44:06] rapidtrades : right but last time we were trading near $400 not here near highs
[2016-01-12 06:50:42] laisee : cart < horse?
[2016-01-12 07:28:23] AudibleScience : thanks
[2016-01-12 07:29:17] ethexio : Any staff around to cancel withdraw request? Sent email to support.
[2016-01-12 07:30:10] ethexio : Ohh gunshots
[2016-01-12 07:31:47] BitMEX_Arthur : ethexio: Will take a look
[2016-01-12 07:37:56] ethexio : Thanks @BitMEX_Arthur
[2016-01-12 07:38:22] ethexio : BitMEX_Arthur: if a hassle no worries
[2016-01-12 09:20:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH16`: Sell 5 @ 522.81
[2016-01-12 09:39:20] BitMEX_Arthur : More details about tomorrow's webinar
[2016-01-12 09:39:22] BitMEX_Arthur : https://blog.bitmex.com/bitmex-arbitrage-lesson-2-webinar/
[2016-01-12 09:43:45] gaoMex : BitMEX_Arthur: Thank you. I will be interested in the cash and carry arbitrage.
[2016-01-12 09:46:06] gaoMex : The only thing is XBU7D ATM is not attractive for cash and carry arbitrage.
[2016-01-12 09:46:18] BitMEX_Arthur : That is true
[2016-01-12 09:46:37] BitMEX_Arthur : Volatility arbitrage using `XBT24H` is much more interesting
[2016-01-12 11:50:53] habibi : close ur longs people if u dont wanna pay fees
[2016-01-12 11:50:57] habibi : settlement ones:)
[2016-01-12 11:52:37] justinlooking : u mean sell into 446.25? it would be more expensive than letting settle at 445.98
[2016-01-12 11:53:00] justinlooking : oh wait...
[2016-01-12 11:53:02] j8 : not if you're closing long
[2016-01-12 11:55:45] laisee : tight close
[2016-01-12 11:55:53] j8 : taking anything more than 11 cents over indicated is saving you money
[2016-01-12 11:57:23] laisee : 1 cent diff ... are people listening?
[2016-01-12 11:57:28] habibi : 0.075%*426.25=0.33
[2016-01-12 11:57:58] habibi : so yea 0.11 is right
[2016-01-12 11:59:20] habibi : close ur longs if u want to be clever
[2016-01-12 12:44:56] j8 : open interest 8116, where is everybody?
[2016-01-12 13:26:59] habibi : 2 wash trades and we have already 60k
[2016-01-12 13:30:53] j8 : wash trades, why do you say that?
[2016-01-12 13:36:57] habibi : i mean not wash, but it looks like :p
[2016-01-12 13:37:12] irbbqu : Looks like full retard to me
[2016-01-12 13:37:16] habibi : yep
[2016-01-12 13:37:27] habibi : specially as china is pumping :D
[2016-01-12 13:37:47] irbbqu : ^^
[2016-01-12 13:38:26] habibi : but got filled at 455
[2016-01-12 13:38:31] habibi : so lets see if that was a good hit :)
[2016-01-12 13:42:18] habibi : this is total retarted what is happening here since 2-3 days
[2016-01-12 13:42:38] tscha : lol @ 24h
[2016-01-12 13:42:40] habibi : yep
[2016-01-12 13:42:45] habibi : i got filled at 442.5
[2016-01-12 13:45:13] habibi : BitMEX_Arthur: u see that?
[2016-01-12 13:45:20] MrJ1m : WTF?
[2016-01-12 13:49:12] sleger : you all should be thankful instead of hateful
[2016-01-12 13:49:34] arbitrage001 : yea
[2016-01-12 13:49:46] arbitrage001 : wish someone filled my 100
[2016-01-12 13:50:19] sleger : thats not even half a bitcoin, even if you make 2$ on the price you are not even making 1$ of pnl ...
[2016-01-12 13:50:34] habibi : sleger: what u think about that dumping?
[2016-01-12 13:50:45] sleger : nothing, I bought some
[2016-01-12 13:50:56] sleger : @ 444
[2016-01-12 13:51:00] habibi : bot got crazy or fat finger?
[2016-01-12 13:51:08] habibi : 442.5 and 450
[2016-01-12 13:51:33] tscha : fatfingering 2 minutes straight?
[2016-01-12 13:51:46] sleger : wait for it...
[2016-01-12 13:51:56] sleger : boom
[2016-01-12 13:52:13] habibi : lets make him panic then
[2016-01-12 13:52:39] sleger : i bought 17k since we're still below mark
[2016-01-12 13:52:55] habibi : 15k here
[2016-01-12 13:53:07] habibi : so still rest people here bought another 170
[2016-01-12 13:53:15] arbitrage001 : 1 dollar difference on 1k contract is how much profit?
[2016-01-12 13:53:21] j8 : bought lots here but i had to sell my 7D
[2016-01-12 13:53:44] habibi : 4.46 dollar netto, all depends if u taker both/maker
[2016-01-12 13:54:43] tscha : wow, haven't realized we have 212k open interest 2 hours in
[2016-01-12 13:55:09] j8 : yeah that happened fast.
[2016-01-12 13:55:09] habibi : yep, i would suggest that someone is opening counter positions on 2 account but its useless and stupid
[2016-01-12 13:55:38] j8 : not the kind of thing you do when `.BVOL24H` is at 1.08, lol
[2016-01-12 13:56:25] sleger : and why would you think that ?
[2016-01-12 13:57:11] habibi : sleger: just coz of how fast new orders are showing after that dumping lets assume its just fast fingers
[2016-01-12 13:57:56] sleger : people jump because there is a discount
[2016-01-12 13:57:58] tscha : opening counter positions on another account sounds plausible. maybe rapidtrades hedging himself.
[2016-01-12 13:58:05] sleger : lol
[2016-01-12 13:58:31] habibi : yea maybe, but still its not him. 1-100 contracts is not even close to 100k+
[2016-01-12 13:58:41] tscha : that was /s btw
[2016-01-12 13:58:52] zanza : rofl
[2016-01-12 13:58:54] habibi : /s/s
[2016-01-12 13:59:00] zanza : `/s`
[2016-01-12 13:59:30] habibi : so anyone panicked and opened short at bottom after that fat finger dumped like a tard?
[2016-01-12 13:59:53] sleger : no everyone rushed to buy below mark price
[2016-01-12 14:01:05] zanza : u was sleeping missed it all
[2016-01-12 14:01:08] zanza : i
[2016-01-12 14:01:58] sleger : again
[2016-01-12 14:03:00] habibi : fill my bid at 439 if u are that good mr fat dumper
[2016-01-12 14:03:48] MrJ1m : and i was thinking i bought cheap lol
[2016-01-12 14:04:26] tscha : the thing is that 200k open interest are about 800k coins, but it only takes 200k to move the price to 444.60 on finex
[2016-01-12 14:04:42] tscha : now a bit more
[2016-01-12 14:04:45] habibi : 800k coins?
[2016-01-12 14:04:50] tscha : 800*
[2016-01-12 14:04:59] tscha : forget the k
[2016-01-12 14:05:17] HowDoge : someone openign a nice hedge
[2016-01-12 14:08:43] habibi : short on quanto as a hedge?
[2016-01-12 14:09:16] sleger : and at a discount
[2016-01-12 14:09:28] habibi : and at dailys?
[2016-01-12 14:17:43] SnackyCoins : lol nobody reacting this time
[2016-01-12 14:18:04] habibi : strong hands
[2016-01-12 14:18:14] habibi : and that guy probally dont want to put more
[2016-01-12 14:19:59] zanza : @SnackyCoins oil may be going to 10's
[2016-01-12 14:20:44] SnackyCoins : 171 turnover on xbu, which 20x to adjust for the difference in leverage is 3420, about 1/3 of 24h, the most popular contract. not too shabby?
[2016-01-12 14:20:50] SnackyCoins : zanza: lol no
[2016-01-12 14:21:54] SnackyCoins : we wont go to 20
[2016-01-12 14:22:14] SnackyCoins : because that's CNBC/Reuters/Bloomberg's collective target
[2016-01-12 14:22:21] SnackyCoins : is $20
[2016-01-12 14:22:37] SnackyCoins : that makes the chances of that about 0%
[2016-01-12 14:22:45] laisee : even ISIL will be buying at 20
[2016-01-12 14:22:57] SnackyCoins : fuck we could have bottomed already
[2016-01-12 14:22:58] sleger : I'd start go long around 25
[2016-01-12 14:23:10] sleger : I assume you talk about oil and not litecoin
[2016-01-12 14:23:11] SnackyCoins : someone blew themselves up in turkey today
[2016-01-12 14:23:34] SnackyCoins : market responded as the news broke, i was watching
[2016-01-12 14:23:38] SnackyCoins : we havent gone down since
[2016-01-12 14:24:31] SnackyCoins : could be a local top here on it tho, either way i am only buying down here
[2016-01-12 14:24:51] SnackyCoins : UWTI at $2.31
[2016-01-12 14:25:04] SnackyCoins : trade of the century
[2016-01-12 14:25:48] laisee : swap CNY for USD for Oil
[2016-01-12 14:40:58] rapidtrades : what's going on fellas
[2016-01-12 14:42:12] rapidtrades : hey how do I get trade alerts to show up while I'm not on bitmex tab
[2016-01-12 14:42:35] rapidtrades : I'm ''coding my bot''
[2016-01-12 14:43:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 220 @ 446.54
[2016-01-12 14:43:48] habibi : rapidtrades: we noticed alpha version. works pretty good
[2016-01-12 14:46:41] rapidtrades : tnx
[2016-01-12 15:02:17] j8 : rapidtrades: the tab needs to be open to send the notification.. otherwise you would include some notification library in your bot and send custom notifications
[2016-01-12 15:20:41] BitMEX_Sam : OS-level notifications will still be received so long as the tab is open
[2016-01-12 15:33:45] tscha : BitMEX_Sam: Hey! Fair rate basis for long term XBTs is set manually. Could you tell us how this is done in practice? At what intervals, depending on which parameters etc.? thx
[2016-01-12 15:34:12] BitMEX_Sam : tscha: Let me reach out to Arthur for that, I don't do the adjustments.
[2016-01-12 15:51:23] habibi : seems like whale dumper started closing contracts?
[2016-01-12 15:53:12] sleger : no thats me buying
[2016-01-12 15:53:19] habibi : ah k
[2016-01-12 16:17:01] thehawthorne : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/40la7o/rbs_tells_investors_sell_everything_the_royal/
[2016-01-12 16:32:31] laisee : RBS ... that well-known globally important & successful investment bank ;-)
[2016-01-12 16:50:04] thehawthorne : http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-11/bank-of-america-rail-traffic-is-saying-something-worrying-about-the-u-s-economy
[2016-01-12 16:55:20] habibi : sleger: its ur bit @450?
[2016-01-12 16:55:22] habibi : 445*
[2016-01-12 16:55:27] habibi : bid.
[2016-01-12 17:05:30] sleger : no
[2016-01-12 17:30:10] aethlios : discount daily contract, rare thing
[2016-01-12 17:32:44] zanza : damn oil $29 ?
[2016-01-12 17:37:51] Swedishnut : yeah looks like it
[2016-01-12 17:58:59] justinlooking : ping ?
[2016-01-12 18:01:21] tscha : pong
[2016-01-12 18:10:07] messiaen8844 : ping - t
[2016-01-12 18:14:27] justinlooking : ping ?
[2016-01-12 18:14:47] justinlooking : um... nvm, shitty hotel wifi i htink#
[2016-01-12 18:15:16] sleger : why do you stay in shitty hotels ?
[2016-01-12 18:29:05] tscha : he said "shitty hotel wifi" not "shitty hotel"
[2016-01-12 18:29:27] justinlooking : ^^
[2016-01-12 18:29:33] justinlooking : i think it's not hte wifi
[2016-01-12 18:29:57] justinlooking : it's more likely the island's connectivity... got mtr running will keep an eye
[2016-01-12 18:44:02] sleger : tscha: maybe it would have been my time to add the obvious "/s" ?
[2016-01-12 18:45:23] tscha : sleger: not sure if you understand the term sarcasm
[2016-01-12 18:57:23] laisee : tscha: > I'm adding /JOKE to all funny lines directed at sister sledge.
[2016-01-12 19:37:00] sleger : laisee: ahah you're as funny as you're a good trader
[2016-01-12 20:42:13] tscha : justinlooking: how long are you staying?
[2016-01-12 20:54:34] messiaen8844 : Bug: recent trades don't update when you switch between contracts
[2016-01-12 20:56:05] sleger : messiaen8844: it happens once in a while only, if you refresh it will go away
[2016-01-12 20:59:15] BitMEX_Sam : messiaen8844: If you have any errors in your console when that happens, please send a report to support@bitmex.com
[2016-01-12 20:59:32] BitMEX_Sam : I've seen that crop up now and then and I'm trying to see if it's a specific browser issue, or a logic issue
[2016-01-12 21:01:36] sleger : fyi, i had this on chrome
[2016-01-12 21:05:41] messiaen8844 : Using chrome on android. It happens often, but i will check against other browsers and send a report
[2016-01-12 22:05:51] justinlooking : tscha: leaving this weekend
[2016-01-12 22:09:01] tscha : justinlooking: nice, so some more days there
[2016-01-12 22:09:34] tscha : still hammered 24/7? :D
[2016-01-12 22:10:12] justinlooking : haha nah, been taking it easy today and yesterday, just a couple of drinks :)
[2016-01-12 22:11:17] justinlooking : my self control has been pitiful lately
[2016-01-12 22:12:38] tscha : what happens on an island stays on the island
[2016-01-12 22:12:40] sleger : so you guys are a bunch of drunks ?
[2016-01-12 22:12:48] sleger : trading and losing money ?
[2016-01-12 22:13:03] sleger : oh yes I almost forgot : /JOKE
[2016-01-12 22:13:18] habibi : who said he is trading?
[2016-01-12 22:13:33] sleger : what else would he be doing on a trading website
[2016-01-12 22:14:12] habibi : trollbox, communication and u know...listening to allmighty sleger :)
[2016-01-12 22:14:15] habibi : /s/s
[2016-01-12 22:14:21] tscha : yeah, funny joke :D guess humor is not your first language @sleger
[2016-01-12 22:15:33] sleger : I was trying to lower the level to be understood by you :(
[2016-01-12 22:17:30] tscha : sleger: what's your first language?
[2016-01-12 22:17:34] justinlooking : i cleared nearly all my trading accounts down in Nov as I knew i'd be busy for a while to come...
[2016-01-12 22:17:47] habibi : try more sleger :) u almost make a smile on our faces ! :)
[2016-01-12 22:19:29] justinlooking : once goxxen twice shy :/
[2016-01-12 22:48:14] tscha : this sideways movement is so annoying
[2016-01-12 22:53:17] thehawthorne : will up soon
[2016-01-12 23:19:17] rapidtrades : or down :)
[2016-01-12 23:39:27] tscha : so one up and one inverse down = 2 up indicators
[2016-01-12 23:48:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 29 @ 445.31
[2016-01-12 23:48:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1000 @ 443.11
[2016-01-12 23:48:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1 @ 442.55 :punch: :whale:
[2016-01-12 23:50:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 15437 @ 440.58 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-01-12 23:51:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 2000 @ 438.51
[2016-01-12 23:51:06] REKT : :roller_coaster: :chart_with_downwards_trend: :japanese_goblin:
[2016-01-12 23:51:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 99 @ 443.08
[2016-01-12 23:51:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 2 @ 440.55 :punch: :whale:
[2016-01-12 23:52:24] BitMEX_Sam : Big drop.
[2016-01-12 23:52:33] habibi : seriously:D?
[2016-01-12 23:54:07] justinlooking : hmm
[2016-01-12 23:55:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1301 @ 433.97
[2016-01-12 23:55:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 999 @ 437.04
[2016-01-12 23:55:22] zanza : WOOOSH
[2016-01-12 23:56:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 7666 @ 436.48
[2016-01-12 23:57:11] habibi : pro tip short june
[2016-01-13 00:06:51] zanza : so much slippage @habibi
[2016-01-13 00:08:05] habibi : so thats explains that bear whale with 600-700 btc shorted here on dailys
[2016-01-13 00:10:47] habibi : sleger: big loss?
[2016-01-13 00:12:28] rapidtrades : tscha: you said smth? :D
[2016-01-13 00:14:17] justinlooking : u tricked us rapid u crafty bugger
[2016-01-13 00:26:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 50 @ 434.60
[2016-01-13 00:26:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 676 @ 434.61
[2016-01-13 00:29:31] rapidtrades : lol premium
[2016-01-13 00:30:05] stevelim : looks like whoever massively shorted last night is covering now.
[2016-01-13 00:30:11] stevelim : good profit
[2016-01-13 00:31:11] zanza : rumors of hard fork are tanking price
[2016-01-13 00:31:26] habibi : bullshit
[2016-01-13 00:31:42] rapidtrades : how can u have a had fork without consensus
[2016-01-13 00:31:50] rapidtrades : it can't just ''happen''
[2016-01-13 00:32:53] stevelim : https://news.bitcoin.com/block-size-consensus-reached-bitcoin-classic-is-unveiled/
[2016-01-13 00:33:52] SnackyCoins : wow what a shill peice
[2016-01-13 00:34:11] SnackyCoins : boldfaced lies right in the first paragraph
[2016-01-13 00:34:22] SnackyCoins : he says developers like it's bitcoin developers
[2016-01-13 00:34:29] SnackyCoins : but it's just fucking gavin and hearn again
[2016-01-13 00:34:47] rapidtrades : is index 90% coinbase now?
[2016-01-13 00:34:56] rapidtrades : cos wepre nowhere near these prices
[2016-01-13 00:43:59] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: BitMEX is hosted in eu-west-1 AWS region, right? what availability zone?
[2016-01-13 00:46:09] tscha : <3 drop
[2016-01-13 00:47:59] tscha : micmix: 1a I think, at least that's where I got the lowest ping
[2016-01-13 00:48:15] micmix : tscha: thanks! yes, very nice drop, I have XBTM16 short with $648 entry price
[2016-01-13 00:49:05] tscha : i'm 30k short short-term :)
[2016-01-13 00:49:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 2 @ 432.22 :punch: :whale:
[2016-01-13 00:50:03] tscha : wow
[2016-01-13 00:50:06] tscha : nice
[2016-01-13 00:50:23] joequant : Anyone who is in the HK markets. Go massively long.
[2016-01-13 00:50:37] joequant : People are cashing out of bitcoin to buy stock.
[2016-01-13 00:51:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 47 @ 430.16
[2016-01-13 00:52:53] tscha : it just goes on and on and on...
[2016-01-13 00:52:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 4 @ 428.09 :punch: :whale:
[2016-01-13 00:53:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 3999 @ 427.23
[2016-01-13 00:53:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 5000 @ 427.84
[2016-01-13 00:53:08] REKT : Next stop - goblin town!
[2016-01-13 00:54:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 243 @ 429.35
[2016-01-13 00:54:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 5000 @ 429.55
[2016-01-13 00:55:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 2500 @ 427.59
[2016-01-13 00:56:42] tscha : this is not over
[2016-01-13 00:57:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 126 @ 424.93
[2016-01-13 01:01:29] rapidtrades : heads up b1tches, fixing in 14 mins
[2016-01-13 01:01:48] habibi : who cares now :)
[2016-01-13 01:02:11] rapidtrades : well u'alls were counting on China for the rally so...
[2016-01-13 01:04:37] joequant : china < btc-e
[2016-01-13 01:05:06] rapidtrades : btc-e higher then everyone actually
[2016-01-13 01:06:08] joequant : one strategy is to go long btc-e, short china/bitfinex and wait for things to back to normal
[2016-01-13 01:06:47] rapidtrades : thank u capt Obvious
[2016-01-13 01:06:56] rapidtrades : too bad I'm already short on btc-e
[2016-01-13 01:08:23] habibi : micmix: how did u called it? middle of uptrend :p?
[2016-01-13 01:08:43] joequant : how do you short btc-e?
[2016-01-13 01:08:49] habibi : mt4 trader
[2016-01-13 01:09:41] micmix : habibi: yep, it still is. I'm talking year-long trends, not daily volatility
[2016-01-13 01:10:25] micmix : I'm building long position now for the future
[2016-01-13 01:10:29] habibi : micmix: how about that http://i.imgur.com/23mbPMp.png?
[2016-01-13 01:11:21] micmix : 1 hour chart is just noise for long-term trading
[2016-01-13 01:11:38] tscha : micmix: +1
[2016-01-13 01:15:45] micmix : everyone trades differently, I'm not a day trader. I'm sure habibi makes good money on short-term trends, I prefer long-term trades
[2016-01-13 01:18:07] rapidtrades : Yuan rate little changed
[2016-01-13 01:18:20] rapidtrades : NO BAILOUT FOR U
[2016-01-13 01:18:28] micmix : but thank you everyone for filling my bids on XBTH16 and XBTM16 :-)
[2016-01-13 01:19:58] rapidtrades : even if ur bullish that's one fell of a premium to pay
[2016-01-13 01:21:41] micmix : I'm closing XBTM16 short slowly and building XBTH16 long, I'll be OK :-)
[2016-01-13 01:22:05] rapidtrades : if there was no clawback risk I would short those contracts to the bank
[2016-01-13 01:22:58] habibi : if there was no clawback u would see no leverage
[2016-01-13 01:23:08] micmix : rapidtrades: I never saw DPE on long-term contracts, I don't think it's very likely
[2016-01-13 01:23:33] zanza : obligatory XBU is guaranteed post
[2016-01-13 01:24:09] rapidtrades : well we've seen regular clawback even on OKC 20x so it's very possible
[2016-01-13 01:24:34] rapidtrades : plus when u get clawback here, its 30%+
[2016-01-13 01:24:58] tscha : bitmex system > okc system
[2016-01-13 01:25:02] rapidtrades : back in August the monthly settled with 60%+ clawback
[2016-01-13 01:26:08] chromaticcr : bitfinex giveaway
[2016-01-13 01:26:18] rapidtrades : ?
[2016-01-13 01:26:26] micmix : I'm not saying it's impossible but I think it's unlikely. The leverage on quarterly is 4 times lower than on daily, and there is much more time to get rid of the liq orders.
[2016-01-13 01:26:31] chromaticcr : "look ma, so cheap"
[2016-01-13 01:27:10] rapidtrades : micmix: if ur long, its prolly not a major problem cos we tend to crash to the downside
[2016-01-13 01:28:33] rapidtrades : on second thought, I think the August clawback happened when we spiked down then rallied to month end
[2016-01-13 01:28:52] tscha : >The leverage on quarterly is 4 times lower than on daily . it's not, it's the same leverage actually.
[2016-01-13 01:29:00] rapidtrades : so longs would've been r*ped as well
[2016-01-13 01:29:03] tscha : oops quote fail
[2016-01-13 01:30:21] rapidtrades : CNY/CNH gap now only 0.01
[2016-01-13 01:30:23] j8 : the danger with the quarterly / biquarterly is that the basis adjustments are manual, so the market can get way ahead of the mark price... then DPE can definitely happen
[2016-01-13 01:31:02] micmix : tscha: initial margin requirement is 4 times higher, which has the same effect as 4x lower leverage for preventing over-leverage when opening positions
[2016-01-13 01:31:06] tscha : j8: they say it's manual, but actually it is changing every 30 seconds.. look at M16, actually ahead of market
[2016-01-13 01:31:51] micmix : tscha: fair basis rate is adjusted manually, mark price is updated every 30 seconds. it's spot price + fair basis
[2016-01-13 01:32:08] tscha : micmix: true @ fair basis.. my bad
[2016-01-13 01:32:12] j8 : tscha: they've been stuck at 87% and 89% annualized for several days
[2016-01-13 01:32:49] rapidtrades : seems way to high but what do I know....I haven't worked in an investment bank :)
[2016-01-13 01:33:10] j8 : now there are bids above that so maybe it will get adjusted up