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[2015-05-24 06:08:18] cengel : i have no room in my heart for others
[2015-05-24 06:08:52] Murch : The elephant in the room I think is the 26 million in long swaps open on Finex. Something has gotta give at some point.
[2015-05-24 06:09:22] BitMEX_Arthur : they need to get crushed
[2015-05-24 06:09:24] BitMEX_Arthur : before we go higher
[2015-05-24 06:09:51] Murch : Yeah that's exactly what I've been thinking for the past 3 months. I expected the next low to be in by now though...
[2015-05-24 06:09:54] cengel : the market has to go down to crush them in order for that to happen though, and we got all the way to 215 without it blinking
[2015-05-24 06:10:30] BitMEX_Arthur : yeah
[2015-05-24 06:10:33] BitMEX_Arthur : that's the kill zone
[2015-05-24 06:10:58] cengel : if we go sub 210
[2015-05-24 06:11:04] cengel : that would be interesting to see the cascade effect
[2015-05-24 06:11:52] Murch : The one possible alternative I see to that is that the longs have possibly already completely exchanged hands from like 215-240.
[2015-05-24 06:12:11] Murch : If that's the case, then the price actually would need to go much lower for any liquidation to occur.
[2015-05-24 06:12:16] cengel : the data from bfx isn't comprehensive enough to even determine that
[2015-05-24 06:12:41] BitMEX_Arthur : well the big increased came in the 240-250 range
[2015-05-24 06:12:51] BitMEX_Arthur : which is a 210-220 margin call
[2015-05-24 06:12:56] Murch : The reason I think that might be possible is because every day I've been checking the sentiment on bfxdata, and I'm seeing 2-3mil in longs almost every fricking day.
[2015-05-24 06:13:29] Murch : With no change in the open swap count.
[2015-05-24 06:13:41] cengel : Arthur, MC is at 30% move on Finex right?
[2015-05-24 06:13:56] BitMEX_Arthur : initial magin is 30% yes
[2015-05-24 06:14:03] BitMEX_Arthur : maintenance margin is 15%
[2015-05-24 06:14:11] BitMEX_Arthur : so a 15% move and the market sell ur entire position
[2015-05-24 06:14:16] cengel : ah okay
[2015-05-24 06:14:29] BitMEX_Arthur : which is why the action is so violent
[2015-05-24 06:14:40] cengel : didn't realize it was that sensitive
[2015-05-24 06:14:41] Murch : If you've maxed out on leverage which I doubt the biggest players have done.
[2015-05-24 06:15:27] Murch : It's all very confusing. I wholeheartedly expected that we'd have hit a new bottom last month.
[2015-05-24 06:15:50] cengel : this low volatility has me really confused
[2015-05-24 06:16:04] cengel : i can't believe this is a new normal in bitcoin. this has to be the calm before the storm
[2015-05-24 06:17:49] Murch : If you look at the previous low, there was a very clear downward tendency for two full months before hand. We're seeing the opposite over the past couple months.
[2015-05-24 06:20:16] Murch : From mid March to April, I figured "this is it, we're about to smash new lows," and then something completely different happened and continues to happen...
[2015-05-24 06:24:23] Murch : And if you look at May 5 or 6 when there was that 30k red candle, the longs briefly dropped then mysteriously rebounded. More evidence that longs are simply changing hands?
[2015-05-24 06:26:46] Murch : Anyway, a new low is still on the table. I just think it's way less likely now than it was a month ago.
[2015-05-24 06:28:15] cengel : yea i'm net long right now but covering significant amount of exposure
[2015-05-24 06:28:15] BitMEX_Arthur : whatever happens lets get moving
[2015-05-24 06:28:58] Murch : Agreed, I'm done looking at horizontal lines. -_-
[2015-05-24 06:31:39] Murch : The most depressing outcome imo would be if the price got to around 300 and then bled to a new low.
[2015-05-24 06:33:12] BitMEX_Arthur : we need some news to take us up
[2015-05-24 06:33:14] BitMEX_Arthur : or some hype
[2015-05-24 06:33:37] cengel : news rarely ever takes bitcoin up, but hacks and such are good at taking her down
[2015-05-24 06:34:00] Murch : Individual news by itself will do nothing, up or down. I think it has to be the general sentiment of news that will do anything.
[2015-05-24 06:34:06] cengel : though that reaction to bitfinex was impressively resistant
[2015-05-24 06:34:14] Murch : And in that regard bitcoin has been going great lately.
[2015-05-24 06:35:15] Murch : Think about the first silk road hacking. There was a knee jerk reaction, sure, but ultimately the price was already in motion. News items rarely actually mean anything since only significant buying/selling can affect the trend.
[2015-05-24 06:41:43] cengel : especially news items that end up in positive reaction...
[2015-05-24 06:42:03] cengel : unheard of, unless you include the Chinese phenomenon
[2015-05-24 06:44:13] BitMEX_Arthur : what do u mean by the Chinese ?
[2015-05-24 06:44:27] Murch : Yeah that sort of behavior is exactly why I feel the price will do whatever it intends to do without news really making a difference. I keep seeing people attributing down moves to 'bad news' and then the price "doesn't react to good news." You can't have it both ways. Either news is effective or it isn't...
[2015-05-24 06:46:18] Murch : Regardless, if there's an explosive move in one direction or another, people will latch on to whatever news comes out around the same time, choosing to ignore all other instances of big news. Just seems like confirmation bias to me.
[2015-05-24 06:52:19] cengel : Arthur, just when the adoption over there got serious
[2015-05-24 06:55:31] cengel : the 2013 pump was commiserate, i attribute at least partly to "good news" of Chinese adoption
[2015-05-24 07:00:16] Murch : I guess I see the bitcoin rise differently from most. Everyone sees three bubbles where I see one big bubble that has spent the last year and a half deflating. Only reason I say that is because the previous pops look a lot more like quick corrections. The price dropped then rebounded immediately each time.
[2015-05-24 07:01:24] Murch : Perhaps two bubbles if you consider the rise to $40 and subsequent drop to $2.
[2015-05-24 07:04:12] Murch : Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part since if another similar scale bubble occurs we could see valuations close to 100k.
[2015-05-24 07:05:42] cengel : easy cowboy we have to break 200 before we get there
[2015-05-24 07:06:32] Murch : Haha, well if it were possible to reach such a price then maybe $26m in longs is actually inconsequential? All these possibilities.
[2015-05-24 07:10:08] cengel : there's tons of support in the upper 100's. a lot of important bitcoin interests need price to be above 150
[2015-05-24 07:11:01] cengel : and in the bigger picture, it doesn't take that much money to keep bitcoin above x price. at $150 it's a small cap stock
[2015-05-24 07:13:05] Murch : Yep exactly. Seems like there's such a huge amount of support at 200 and the sentiment has really been changing lately. Plus current price action is saying short term bullish. Makes me hope.
[2015-05-24 07:14:10] Murch : I'm just sick of waiting for godot
[2015-05-24 07:17:48] cengel : the daily vol numbers we've been printing have been insanely low on historical context...
[2015-05-24 07:18:36] Murch : Yup, it's eerie.
[2015-05-24 07:31:19] Murch : Welp, I've managed to convince myself while talking to you guys that bitcoin is about to go up a lot. Guess I'll go long a little haha.
[2015-05-24 07:41:11] cengel : ill take the other side of that trade
[2015-05-24 07:41:51] BitMEX_Arthur : On BitMEX of course :)
[2015-05-24 07:43:36] Murch : Indeed Indeed
[2015-05-24 07:44:35] Murch : cengel: it's on ;)
[2015-05-24 07:45:31] Murch : Time to rest my face. See you later.
[2015-05-24 08:06:55] chrisxbt : hi guys how is BVOL trading?
[2015-05-24 08:07:12] chrisxbt : how much 24H turnover do you normally get?
[2015-05-24 08:14:20] cengel : https://twitter.com/OKCoinBTC/status/602385667977383936
[2015-05-24 08:14:48] cengel : lol, the plot thickens
[2015-05-24 08:22:56] cengel : id love to collect on that $20.000
[2015-05-24 11:41:08] cengel : https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24900303/20150523_okcoin_sg.pdf
[2015-05-24 11:41:16] cengel : OKCoin corporate structure
[2015-05-24 12:36:00] BitMEX_Arthur : interesting
[2015-05-24 15:10:25] goat : my interpretation is that i have as little counterparty risk as possible with any investment
[2015-05-24 15:10:52] goat : so people can trade where they want, but just make sure you hold most of your btc in cold storage
[2015-05-24 15:15:05] BitMEX_Sam : that's a good strategy regardless
[2015-05-24 15:16:40] BitMEX_Sam : We hold 100% of deposits in multisig cold storage for that reason, reducing risk; there are a lot of things that we've seen go wrong with exchanges
[2015-05-24 15:17:07] BitMEX_Sam : While we want to, say, make withdrawals faster, we won't do so in a way that we perceive as significantly increasing risk
[2015-05-24 15:17:43] goat : that's why i dont mind keeping coins here lol
[2015-05-24 15:22:01] cengel : better to do daily withdrawals and sacrifice speed than to get Finex'd
[2015-05-24 15:34:46] BitMEX_Sam : Yep - last thing we ever want to do is lose customer money.
[2015-05-24 15:34:56] BitMEX_Sam : Was the total amount of 1302 &btc; confirmed or was it more?
[2015-05-24 15:43:01] cengel : they still haven't confirmed lol
[2015-05-24 15:47:35] goat : from the hack?
[2015-05-24 15:48:17] goat : https://blockchain.info/address/17owg8RWb73qfE5HeQk6gg6RAgEUfxPXks
[2015-05-24 15:48:27] goat : it keeps going up as people send coins to old wallet addresses
[2015-05-24 15:48:53] goat : i heard that it was a spearfishing attack
[2015-05-24 15:49:03] goat : looks like they got control of the incoming wallet private keys
[2015-05-24 15:49:18] goat : and they are sweeping coins to their wallet as they go into the old bfx deposit addresses
[2015-05-24 15:49:32] goat : so basically bfx and the hacker are rushing to sweep the coins as the transactions are submitted to the network
[2015-05-24 15:50:14] BitMEX_Sam : Interesting
[2015-05-24 15:50:42] BitMEX_Sam : It's too bad they're still using P2PKH addresses
[2015-05-24 15:50:49] goat : yeah, idk i could be off but thats what my analysis is
[2015-05-24 15:51:03] BitMEX_Sam : 1600 XBT is nothing to sneeze at
[2015-05-24 15:51:29] goat : they are implementing bitgo multi sig in a few days supposedly
[2015-05-24 15:51:52] BitMEX_Sam : Ah. They have a nice service
[2015-05-24 15:51:56] BitMEX_Sam : We're big fans of coinkite as well
[2015-05-24 15:52:04] goat : i have read a lot about them but havent used it
[2015-05-24 15:52:19] BitMEX_Sam : Great programmable service
[2015-05-24 15:52:26] BitMEX_Sam : Their big thing is not taking control from you
[2015-05-24 15:52:48] BitMEX_Sam : They'll hold as many or as few keys as you want, give you nice transaction summaries, emails, spending limits, 2FA, etc
[2015-05-24 15:52:55] goat : yeah i saw that
[2015-05-24 15:52:59] goat : up to 15 keys multi sig right?
[2015-05-24 15:53:01] BitMEX_Sam : Yep
[2015-05-24 15:53:02] goat : or something like that
[2015-05-24 15:53:06] BitMEX_Sam : It's just P2SH
[2015-05-24 15:53:08] BitMEX_Sam : all standards-based
[2015-05-24 15:53:22] goat : the self regulation in the btc community is so good
[2015-05-24 15:53:37] BitMEX_Sam : We built this (https://github.com/BitMEX/btchip-signing-tools) to interface with them and it's been quite good
[2015-05-24 15:53:56] goat : i will take a look at it
[2015-05-24 15:54:02] goat : i dont know a ton of programming, but like looking through code
[2015-05-24 15:54:27] BitMEX_Sam : It's pretty simple; if you have a multisig wallet set up on coinkite, you can get pending transactions via the scripts and sign them with a hardware wallet
[2015-05-24 15:54:44] BitMEX_Sam : It'll give you a nice rundown of the transaction details and take care of the download/sign/upload cycle
[2015-05-24 15:55:44] goat : and the most amazing part is that the community developed this on their own... it is an excellent solution.. and if the community hadnt developed it then there is no way that the regulators would be like "oah well you have to use this new multi sig that we invented"
[2015-05-24 15:56:19] BitMEX_Sam : Right - well, that's the good part of capitalism
[2015-05-24 15:56:28] BitMEX_Sam : And the community is technical enough to know a bad solution from a good one
[2015-05-24 15:56:32] goat : yep
[2015-05-24 15:56:41] BitMEX_Sam : so the customers will hopefully gravitate from bad services to better ones
[2015-05-24 15:56:59] goat : ok i have to go do some stuff
[2015-05-24 15:57:11] BitMEX_Sam : Sure - have a good afternoon
[2015-05-24 15:57:12] goat : and enjoy the long weekend
[2015-05-24 15:57:20] BitMEX_Sam : For sure. Buying furniture this weekend. What a racket
[2015-05-24 15:58:07] goat : lol thats never fun
[2015-05-24 15:58:33] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah it's terrible. And everyone's a scammer
[2015-05-24 15:58:39] goat : umm yeah tell me about it
[2015-05-24 15:58:48] goat : i hate the furniture i bought
[2015-05-24 15:58:55] goat : its all falling apart like 5 years later and was such a rip off
[2015-05-24 15:59:01] BitMEX_Sam : One time, years ago, I found a Saudi diplomat that was moving out of the country
[2015-05-24 15:59:08] goat : nice
[2015-05-24 15:59:09] BitMEX_Sam : He sold me all the furniture in his place for less than $1k
[2015-05-24 15:59:12] goat : thats insane
[2015-05-24 15:59:13] BitMEX_Sam : That was unreal
[2015-05-24 15:59:17] goat : and it was probably good quality
[2015-05-24 15:59:20] BitMEX_Sam : Decent enough
[2015-05-24 15:59:37] goat : this weekend is one of the biggest for my company, so we were working all day yesterday
[2015-05-24 15:59:39] BitMEX_Sam : Apparently I wasn't supposed to take the stereo and I got a very angry email from him. something about a fatwa
[2015-05-24 15:59:47] goat : hahahahahhahaaha
[2015-05-24 15:59:48] BitMEX_Sam : Hahahaha
[2015-05-24 16:00:08] BitMEX_Sam : Working on saturday? Rough
[2015-05-24 16:00:14] goat : yeah for like 14 hours
[2015-05-24 16:00:17] goat : its cool though
[2015-05-24 16:00:17] BitMEX_Sam : typing up tps reports all day I'm sure
[2015-05-24 16:00:22] goat : no hahaha
[2015-05-24 16:00:28] goat : not at all
[2015-05-24 16:00:59] goat : dealing with customers
[2015-05-24 16:01:12] goat : ill tell you about it when i meet you
[2015-05-24 16:01:17] BitMEX_Sam : Sounds good
[2015-05-24 16:01:36] goat : this okc drama is so good
[2015-05-24 16:01:50] BitMEX_Sam : We try to stay out of it
[2015-05-24 16:01:54] BitMEX_Sam : Don't want to give people the wrong idea
[2015-05-24 16:01:58] BitMEX_Sam : But it has been an interesting read
[2015-05-24 16:01:59] goat : yeah, of course
[2015-05-24 16:02:09] BitMEX_Sam : It echoes an experience I had with some local contractors in Hong Kong
[2015-05-24 16:02:22] goat : i need to make an update for today and post it before i go out
[2015-05-24 16:02:23] BitMEX_Sam : There are simply different expectations in business
[2015-05-24 16:02:32] goat : i know, i have done business with the chinese for years
[2015-05-24 16:02:38] BitMEX_Sam : Ah then you know all about it.
[2015-05-24 16:02:49] goat : but it depends on what type of business/person you are dealing with and what industry imo
[2015-05-24 16:02:52] BitMEX_Sam : We concluded it wasn't worth the potential savings
[2015-05-24 16:03:00] BitMEX_Sam : Sometimes you can find really great people out there but they are rare
[2015-05-24 16:03:10] goat : if you are dealing with small things then this is totally expected, if you are a financial institution its unacceptable
[2015-05-24 16:03:15] BitMEX_Sam : Agreed
[2015-05-24 16:03:28] goat : if i was buying party toys its a different story
[2015-05-24 16:03:38] BitMEX_Sam : Or exploding iphone chargers
[2015-05-24 16:03:54] cengel : NEVER trust a chinaman selling party toys.
[2015-05-24 16:04:00] cengel : jk ;)
[2015-05-24 16:04:06] BitMEX_Sam : Hahaha
[2015-05-24 16:04:12] goat : all bitcoin exchanges should be held to the highest standards, and the fact that okc says they dont have an english speaking lawyer should be a major red flag to any us based traders that think they are going to comply with us regulations
[2015-05-24 16:04:23] goat : how can they comply when they dont have an english speaking lawyer?
[2015-05-24 16:04:32] cengel : the funny thing is they dominate the futures space
[2015-05-24 16:04:43] goat : yeah, dominate their own traders
[2015-05-24 16:04:44] cengel : i dont know if anyone has calculated out the daily volume but they're a vast majority
[2015-05-24 16:04:48] BitMEX_Sam : Well, they were the first to have a functional highly-leveraged product with low fees
[2015-05-24 16:05:15] BitMEX_Sam : Their volume is very suspect IMO, speaking as myself and not as BitMEX here
[2015-05-24 16:05:20] BitMEX_Sam : We know it's at least 2x counted: https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2ld9zs/you_might_have_noticed_okcoin_futures_volume/
[2015-05-24 16:05:29] goat : yeah i remember reading that
[2015-05-24 16:05:45] cengel : you can divide it by 10 and it's still the majority futures volume out there
[2015-05-24 16:05:52] BitMEX_Sam : I know very well that volume can be manufactured; not saying they do it but it's easy to do
[2015-05-24 16:06:02] BitMEX_Sam : When we do demos we'll crank up the volume on a testnet instance and it can look amazing
[2015-05-24 16:06:13] BitMEX_Sam : You can have bots trade with each other all day at zero fees
[2015-05-24 16:06:16] goat : yep
[2015-05-24 16:06:47] goat : well, whatever they do its their business and they are going to just dig themselves into a deeper hole
[2015-05-24 16:06:57] goat : the reddit post they made today is insane
[2015-05-24 16:07:05] goat : its literally like a 5 year old that didnt get candy
[2015-05-24 16:07:05] cengel : yea that was quite bizarre
[2015-05-24 16:07:18] goat : like wtf
[2015-05-24 16:07:26] cengel : dude pledging to god and his family that he didn't forge it lol wtf
[2015-05-24 16:08:07] BitMEX_Sam : Odd
[2015-05-24 16:09:08] cengel : maybe bitmex should sign a contract with Roger Ver now that bitcoin.com is free again
[2015-05-24 16:09:11] goat : idk i have done a lot of business globally, dealt with a plethora of situations (some which involved lawyers) and they were almost all resolved very easily by level headed people... the only situation where things were dragged out was in an instance the other party was acting literally exactly like okc
[2015-05-24 16:09:46] goat : just reading through rogers emails i am like wow, been here
[2015-05-24 16:10:03] cengel : yep, dat runaround
[2015-05-24 16:10:04] goat : and usually after your lawyer writes an email like his did, the other lawyer writes back and everything is solved
[2015-05-24 16:10:35] BitMEX_Sam : Yep, had that experience as well
[2015-05-24 16:11:15] goat : generally when there is a business dispute like this it is very easy to find a common middle ground and settle.. the 2 people involved are genearally asking for a bit more than they want (in either direction) and if they cant settle it the lawyers step in.. as soon as 1-2 lawyer emails are sent everyone is on the same page and sees the same thing
[2015-05-24 16:13:30] BitMEX_Sam : It's a whole new ball game in China
[2015-05-24 16:17:28] cengel : http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/may/24/barclays-star-trader-financial-crisis-jonathan-hoffman-lehman-brothers
[2015-05-24 16:17:52] cengel : “I have no view on interest rates, no view on the curve,” he told the Wall Street Journal. “I never speak to clients. I don’t know who is on the other side of the trade."
[2015-05-24 16:18:20] cengel : if he was that profitable and he was a US govt bond trader then he was just permalong basically
[2015-05-24 16:35:46] BitMEX_Arthur : probably
[2015-05-24 18:17:18] joequant : To me it looks like he was just a market maker.
[2015-05-24 18:17:37] joequant : Making milions is possible if you are selling trillions in debt.
[2015-05-24 18:19:21] joequant : Nice work if you can get it.
[2015-05-25 09:49:59] cengel : Arthur, i noticed you are launching BVOL7D today, did you work out the filter for getting past seven day settles ?
[2015-05-25 09:52:01] BitMEX_Arthur : Just so i'm clear what are you trying to get at with that data
[2015-05-25 09:52:30] BitMEX_Arthur : I'm going to check on it, but i'm not sure i completely understand why you would want that
[2015-05-25 09:53:31] cengel : its no big deal i can just parse it from the dailies...
[2015-05-25 09:54:43] cengel : i just find it useful to look at not just rolling but the separate periods historically for me
[2015-05-25 09:55:06] cengel : it just seems useful to have an easily accessible series of past settlement values of a contract, no? :)
[2015-05-25 09:55:10] BitMEX_Arthur : you mean what it was each friday
[2015-05-25 09:55:16] cengel : yep
[2015-05-25 09:55:28] cengel : which like i said i can parse myself but the way your query is built it cant be filtered as is
[2015-05-25 09:56:15] BitMEX_Arthur : yeah i understand what ur after now
[2015-05-25 09:58:05] cengel : but once shes up im ready to place some orders ;)
[2015-05-25 09:58:16] BitMEX_Arthur : i'm completing my excel model no
[2015-05-25 09:58:24] BitMEX_Arthur : now
[2015-05-25 10:16:13] swapman : 7-day volatility contracts wup wup
[2015-05-25 10:16:24] BitMEX_Arthur : Hellow
[2015-05-25 10:16:25] BitMEX_Arthur : Hello
[2015-05-25 10:16:46] BitMEX_Arthur : `BVOL7D` will be live in a few hours, if you want to get your feet wet look at `BVOL24H`
[2015-05-25 10:17:21] swapman : This platform is way better than all the rest, if only liquidity and volume was OKCoin level
[2015-05-25 10:17:55] BitMEX_Arthur : We are working on it, but they had a head start on us, don't worry we will get there, that's why we are differentiating with products like `BVOL7D`
[2015-05-25 10:18:54] BitMEX_Arthur : We are working on a more transparent way to deal with super leveraged Bitcoin derivatives. We have rolled out v1 of our Capping system, v2 will be out soon
[2015-05-25 10:19:02] BitMEX_Arthur : we have up to 10x leverage on `XBTK15`
[2015-05-25 10:19:09] swapman : Hopefully you guys differentiate by actually honouring contracts too
[2015-05-25 10:19:17] BitMEX_Arthur : haha yes
[2015-05-25 10:19:21] BitMEX_Arthur : that as well
[2015-05-25 10:26:14] cengel : this baby keeps goin
[2015-05-25 10:26:42] BitMEX_Arthur : see if we break $235 then i'll believe
[2015-05-25 10:28:32] cengel : stamp already below
[2015-05-25 10:28:43] cengel : 234
[2015-05-25 10:28:56] BitMEX_Arthur : i don't trust stamp
[2015-05-25 10:29:05] cengel : no but its worth watching
[2015-05-25 10:29:09] BitMEX_Arthur : yeah tr
[2015-05-25 10:29:24] cengel : i mean not too long ago BTC-E led a rally so
[2015-05-25 10:29:45] BitMEX_Arthur : v true, i am bearish just a matter of entry point
[2015-05-25 10:46:54] swapman : are there any existing tools to model this "BVOL" that peple are using here?
[2015-05-25 10:50:14] BitMEX_Arthur : most people have built their own spreadsheets, i have one i can send you
[2015-05-25 10:50:28] BitMEX_Arthur : it's in excel you will need to install a real-time data plugin for BitMEX
[2015-05-25 10:50:41] BitMEX_Arthur : let me know if you want it and I can email you a link
[2015-05-25 10:54:01] BitMEX_Arthur : cengel: I just sent you a mail with a possible solution to filter `.BVOL7D`
[2015-05-25 10:54:31] swapman : I'm going to take a stab at my own first. API looks clean
[2015-05-25 10:55:11] BitMEX_Arthur : If you use Excel, use this plugin https://www.bitmex.com/app/excelPlugin
[2015-05-25 10:55:24] BitMEX_Arthur : It allows you to pull real time orderbook data, and historical index data
[2015-05-25 11:01:25] cengel : it appears to be a good solution yes ty :)
[2015-05-25 11:49:44] cengel : Arthur what is the timing of the BVOL7D indicative price calculation. what it uses for 6 hr or when it switches to using only snaps after contract start
[2015-05-25 11:50:32] BitMEX_Arthur : let me check
[2015-05-25 11:54:35] cengel : also bc i have 3.68 not 3.7 if it s currently contract obs and not rolling
[2015-05-25 11:57:30] BitMEX_Arthur : i have 3.69%
[2015-05-25 11:58:20] BitMEX_Arthur : it is from friday to now
[2015-05-25 11:58:23] cengel : and indic settle shows 3.70
[2015-05-25 11:58:25] cengel : yep
[2015-05-25 11:58:36] cengel : 22-5 12:00 GMT
[2015-05-25 11:59:31] cengel : 3 diff numbers but every tick counts
[2015-05-25 12:04:13] cengel : 865 snaps, 1st ob: 235, last: 237.4
[2015-05-25 12:07:06] BitMEX_Arthur : 'BVOL7D' is now live
[2015-05-25 12:07:14] BitMEX_Arthur : There are quotes up now
[2015-05-25 12:27:27] SnackyCoins : making a deposit now :)
[2015-05-25 12:30:27] SnackyCoins : bitmex.com/app/ "https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.BVOL7D" 404
[2015-05-25 12:30:34] SnackyCoins : in 'selected contract' module
[2015-05-25 12:30:51] SnackyCoins : also what day does this settle
[2015-05-25 12:32:01] BitMEX_Arthur : Every Friday 12:00 GMT
[2015-05-25 12:32:29] BitMEX_Arthur : yes that page will update soon
[2015-05-25 13:23:59] BombaUcigasa : Hi Arthur, the 7D settles Monday or Friday?
[2015-05-25 13:24:15] BombaUcigasa : BVOL7D is a XBT/% volatility futures contract settling every 7 days on the .BVOL7D Index at 15:00:00 (GMT+03:00). << doesn't say the dow
[2015-05-25 13:27:49] BitMEX_Arthur : Settles Friday
[2015-05-25 13:41:33] cengel : Arthur i think a lot of people might ask that question as it doesnt say what calendar day it settles in the description of selected contract
[2015-05-25 13:47:35] SnackyCoins : wow that was neat
[2015-05-25 13:48:15] SnackyCoins : never had a site update like that :)
[2015-05-25 13:48:29] BitMEX_Sam : :) It's almost done.
[2015-05-25 13:48:52] SnackyCoins : oh no trouble, that was much cooler than shutting down for x minutes
[2015-05-25 13:48:56] BitMEX_Sam : We roll all the servers one by one so there shouldn't be any downtime, but occasionally one sticks so I always try to send the message
[2015-05-25 13:50:18] BitMEX_Sam : Okay. If you refresh you should see https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.BVOL7D without issue
[2015-05-25 13:51:37] SnackyCoins : is that MM bot on github ready to go out of the box?
[2015-05-25 13:51:44] BitMEX_Sam : Great. First BVOL7D trade went through just a few minutes ago
[2015-05-25 13:51:57] BitMEX_Sam : SnackyCoins: Technically yes, it's not the smartest thing in the world but it will quote sides of a book
[2015-05-25 13:52:07] BitMEX_Sam : I recommend trying it on https://testnet.bitmex.com first
[2015-05-25 13:52:38] BitMEX_Sam : So you can get a feel for how it quotes and make changes if you don't like it. I wanted it to be more or less a blank slate so traders could program their own behavior without having to worry too much about how our API works
[2015-05-25 13:53:31] SnackyCoins : cool. Just switched to the dark interface btw, this whole thing is very slick
[2015-05-25 13:54:00] BitMEX_Sam : :) Glad you like it. That's our original color scheme but it's not for everyone
[2015-05-25 13:54:03] SnackyCoins : the notifications popping so quickly and short duration css animations really make me feel like the engine is fast :)
[2015-05-25 13:54:09] BitMEX_Sam : That's because it is!
[2015-05-25 13:54:38] BitMEX_Sam : Everything comes down via websocket directly from the engine; it is very quick
[2015-05-25 13:55:16] SnackyCoins : can i re-order these modules?
[2015-05-25 13:55:21] BitMEX_Sam : There is no front-running possible in this system, aside for the few dozen ms you'd gain if you were physically closer to the server
[2015-05-25 13:55:23] BitMEX_Sam : Not yet. Working on that
[2015-05-25 13:55:44] BitMEX_Sam : I wrote https://strml.github.io/react-grid-layout/examples/0-showcase.html but there are some issues before it can be integrated well into BitMEX
[2015-05-25 13:55:57] SnackyCoins : cool :) yeah UI/UX is great here, eat your heart out finex
[2015-05-25 13:56:14] SnackyCoins : are more order types coming down the line too?
[2015-05-25 13:56:25] BitMEX_Sam : Yep. Stops are already implemented, just need to be exposed in the API/UI
[2015-05-25 13:56:39] BitMEX_Sam : We are unlikely to do market orders but we may do other types in the future like IoC
[2015-05-25 13:57:29] BitMEX_Sam : cengel: Are you online?
[2015-05-25 13:57:48] cengel : yes
[2015-05-25 13:58:53] BitMEX_Sam : I'm working on a formal document to add to the site, but until then this will help you with BVOL7D
[2015-05-25 13:58:54] SnackyCoins : limits can be used as markets if one was really inclined, i like triggers on okcoin but they're a bit annoying for a simple stop
[2015-05-25 13:59:03] BitMEX_Sam : https://gist.github.com/STRML/ca4436c73fca1ec98ecc
[2015-05-25 13:59:38] cengel : yea thanks, Arthur hooked me up with that timestamp.ww parm earlier :)
[2015-05-25 13:59:49] BitMEX_Sam : Ah. I was looking through the chat and didn't see that
[2015-05-25 14:00:09] cengel : he sent it by email
[2015-05-25 14:00:13] BitMEX_Sam : Well that explains it
[2015-05-25 14:00:15] BitMEX_Sam : :)
[2015-05-25 14:00:42] BitMEX_Sam : SnackyCoins: Agreed, and to be honest there's just too many shenanigans possible if people start using market orders regularly
[2015-05-25 14:01:26] BitMEX_Sam : And if a user is unlucky and liquidity is removed right before a trade, they might think we did something to screw them over even if we didn't; rather just avoid the whole mess entirely and stick to limits
[2015-05-25 14:01:44] SnackyCoins : ^ #okcoin
[2015-05-25 14:02:01] SnackyCoins : even without the market orders people think it
[2015-05-25 14:02:20] SnackyCoins : certianly seems to happen with market closes ;)
[2015-05-25 14:02:35] BitMEX_Sam : Absolutely
[2015-05-25 14:02:59] BitMEX_Sam : We wouldn't want anyone to get any idea that any of that sort of thing is going on
[2015-05-25 14:03:24] BitMEX_Sam : Loved this reddit comment from a few days ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/371uxs/exchange_to_trade_futures/crjb8ao
[2015-05-25 14:04:29] SnackyCoins : not making your own volume either thankfully #huobi
[2015-05-25 14:11:52] SnackyCoins : ohhh look at that my username is in with the logo haha
[2015-05-25 14:12:43] BitMEX_Sam : Yep
[2015-05-25 14:12:48] BitMEX_Sam : Quick way to check who you're logged in as
[2015-05-25 14:18:41] cengel : <code>BVOL7D</code> is bringing in some fresh meat
[2015-05-25 14:23:25] SnackyCoins : fresh meat get 10% off your codes with a referral link :) https://www.bitmex.com/register/aZXpH4
[2015-05-25 14:23:39] SnackyCoins : trades* failed it
[2015-05-25 14:27:54] cengel : i like that long XBT / short XBU strat to play volatility from the Crypto Digest
[2015-05-25 14:45:27] BitMEX_Arthur : It's a good way to buy some 30day vol in June
[2015-05-25 15:23:18] cengel : hey Sam if you have a minute I forget what your idea was about VBA computing API sig hex HMAC_SHA256...cant seem to find one built in but you mentioned something before cant find it in Archive though
[2015-05-25 15:23:45] BitMEX_Sam : Ah
[2015-05-25 15:24:00] BitMEX_Sam : Let me see if I can remember that
[2015-05-25 15:24:57] cengel : otherwise using Pyinx to run bitmex_signature() and feed into Excel
[2015-05-25 15:26:06] BitMEX_Sam : Ah. From the logs I didn't say anything about how to do it in VB (I'm not sure) but some googling shows some HMAC implementations
[2015-05-25 15:26:07] BitMEX_Sam : http://www.vbforums.com/showthread.php?635398-VB6-HMAC-SHA-256-HMAC-SHA-1-Using-Crypto-API
[2015-05-25 15:26:29] BitMEX_Sam : It's probably easier to use python in the end
[2015-05-25 15:37:00] cengel : bitcointalk just sent out password change email
[2015-05-25 15:37:09] cengel : all their database got hacked, ip address, password, secret question et
[2015-05-25 15:37:29] BitMEX_Sam : Yep just got one too
[2015-05-25 16:44:50] goat : i didnt get one
[2015-05-25 16:44:52] goat : weird
[2015-05-25 16:51:56] cengel : hm that's weird. aren't you a member of the Elite Gold Club (EGB)? only members got the email
[2015-05-25 16:52:02] cengel : actually im not even supposed to speak about it in public
[2015-05-25 16:55:19] BitMEX_Sam : ah yes. pay to play... and receive security emails
[2015-05-25 17:25:12] cengel : hey Sam the API Explorer query builder doesn't show the HTTP headers sent in reqs?
[2015-05-25 17:26:01] BitMEX_Sam : No, it doesn't. I would use the chrome inspector for that
[2015-05-25 17:27:19] BitMEX_Sam : Or try Postman REST Client, very handy for trying things out
[2015-05-25 17:30:00] cengel : gotcha
[2015-05-25 17:37:28] BitMEX_Sam : Just deployed a quick documentation update; https://www.bitmex.com/app/restAPI lists the timestamp filters, and .BVOL7D settlements are displayed weekly
[2015-05-25 19:54:51] cengel : Sam, took me a minute but i coded a native HMAC hex calc for VBA that computers valid API sig
[2015-05-25 19:55:32] cengel : ill pastebin it in case others want to avoid plugging in py/perl
[2015-05-25 20:19:49] BitMEX_Sam : cengel: Thanks, if you have a GitHub I can create a repository for it and add you as a contrib
[2015-05-25 21:17:46] cengel : http://pastebin.com/R451HaXR
[2015-05-25 21:18:22] cengel : anyone whose working in Excel or w VBA in general, that's a simple way to compute the api-signature needed for private reqs
[2015-05-25 21:18:51] cengel : included with Sub to test both the cases presented in https://www.bitmex.com/app/apiKeys
[2015-05-25 21:23:29] cengel : Sam, no thanks it so minor and small :) hopefully it helps someone else
[2015-05-25 21:29:57] BitMEX_Sam : Thanks a ton
[2015-05-25 21:32:36] BitMEX_Sam : https://github.com/BitMEX/api-connectors/commit/d8eb66710db5d170b57eaf9d5972455f188c4ecb
[2015-05-26 00:26:10] cengel : am i missing something? I POST /order, signature checks fine, but tells me "symbol" needs arg, i used urlencoded: %7B%22symbol%22%3A%22BVOL24H%22%2C%22price%22%3A1.01%2C%22quantity%22%3A2%7D
[2015-05-26 00:30:41] BitMEX_Wally : cengel: I'm seeing that come through as a GET not a POST
[2015-05-26 00:30:52] cengel : dafug
[2015-05-26 00:31:41] BitMEX_Wally : Assuming I'm looking at the same API error in the logs
[2015-05-26 00:32:56] cengel : i just sent one and get "symbol is a required arg" returned, and it was definitely a POST
[2015-05-26 00:33:23] BitMEX_Wally : Yeah my bad, I was looking at another error `Error: Missing query attribute: symbol`
[2015-05-26 00:33:34] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, you're sending a POST, but I don't see any payload
[2015-05-26 00:33:46] cengel : but i decoded that urlencoded and it looks clean
[2015-05-26 00:33:59] BitMEX_Wally : BitMEX_Sam will know
[2015-05-26 00:35:22] BitMEX_Wally : `"POST /api/v1/order {"{\"symbol\":\"BVOL24H\",\"price\":1.01,\"quantity\":2}":""}"`
[2015-05-26 00:35:24] cengel : i'll double check the VBA function im using to set up the post (yes im doing 100% VBA)
[2015-05-26 00:35:33] cengel : oh
[2015-05-26 00:35:34] BitMEX_Wally : I'm seeing this now, but that looks like a JSON object containing a JSON string...
[2015-05-26 00:35:41] cengel : so it's using the wrong brackets
[2015-05-26 00:35:57] cengel : \ instead of {
[2015-05-26 00:36:02] cengel : or no
[2015-05-26 00:36:06] cengel : nm
[2015-05-26 00:36:52] BitMEX_Wally : Not sure, but we're expecting a JSON object, and we're getting a string
[2015-05-26 00:37:39] BitMEX_Wally : I'm messaging Sam, he's the expert
[2015-05-26 00:38:02] cengel : thanks, i'll try a couple different things though in light of that
[2015-05-26 00:38:36] BitMEX_Wally : Cool
[2015-05-26 00:39:05] cengel : same error when i manually construct JSON object instead of urlencode
[2015-05-26 00:39:56] cengel : i knew doing a VBA version was going to be headaches :D
[2015-05-26 00:40:58] BitMEX_Sam : cengel: looks like it's double-nested
[2015-05-26 00:42:29] BitMEX_Sam : When you urlencode, you don't url encode a JSON object
[2015-05-26 00:43:01] BitMEX_Sam : it's key-value pairs like `symbol=BVOL24H&price=1.01`
[2015-05-26 00:44:11] cengel : got it
[2015-05-26 00:44:22] cengel : works fine now thanks Sam
[2015-05-26 00:44:29] BitMEX_Sam : np, glad to help
[2015-05-26 00:44:33] cengel : for some reason i thought it had to be in JSON
[2015-05-26 00:44:40] cengel : even with urlencode lol
[2015-05-26 00:44:49] cengel : its 3am here i should stop
[2015-05-26 00:44:57] BitMEX_Sam : :) BTW, excel sends an IE7 User Agent
[2015-05-26 00:45:03] BitMEX_Sam : That's a new one for us
[2015-05-26 00:45:09] cengel : yea i noticed, that's not a problem though right ?
[2015-05-26 00:45:18] BitMEX_Sam : No of course not, just funny for our browser stats
[2015-05-26 00:45:30] BitMEX_Sam : The site is completely broken on IE <9
[2015-05-26 00:45:40] BitMEX_Sam : sorry, IE less than 9
[2015-05-26 00:46:10] cengel : it feels so goofy setting up execution through Excel
[2015-05-26 00:46:23] BitMEX_Sam : It's a nice experiment though
[2015-05-26 00:46:27] BitMEX_Sam : Will be handy if it works
[2015-05-26 00:46:51] BitMEX_Arthur : Excel execution is pretty cool
[2015-05-26 00:47:07] cengel : but where i used to work, we developed insane dynamic apps within Excel, specifically because it was meant to be for people who are always using excel anyway. it's more versatile than one thinks
[2015-05-26 00:47:20] cengel : just feels memory leaky
[2015-05-26 00:47:44] BitMEX_Sam : Right, I can imagine it's terrible to debug
[2015-05-26 00:48:03] BitMEX_Sam : Seems to me that it makes more sense for large-scale apps to call out to a Python backend
[2015-05-26 00:48:04] cengel : Sam, haha well it "works" , as in, it calculates the sig, successfully posts/gets
[2015-05-26 00:50:05] cengel : but whehther building it out into a usable interface within Excel ... idk
[2015-05-26 00:50:25] BitMEX_Sam : Well, best of luck with that
[2015-05-26 00:50:38] cengel : ty
[2015-05-26 02:42:10] chrisxbt : So how is fair basis calculated?
[2015-05-26 02:42:20] chrisxbt : Mark price for MBTM15 is 246.13
[2015-05-26 02:44:15] BitMEX_Arthur : Hi
[2015-05-26 02:45:09] BitMEX_Arthur : Fair Basis =Spot * % Basis Annualised * Days Until Expiry / 365
[2015-05-26 02:46:15] BitMEX_Arthur : If you look on the Instruments panel you will see all the inputs and outputs
[2015-05-26 02:46:18] BitMEX_Arthur : that comprise the number
[2015-05-26 02:47:02] BitMEX_Arthur : make sense?
[2015-05-26 02:47:59] BitMEX_Arthur : We use it to stop manipulation around the bankruptcy caps
[2015-05-26 02:51:28] chrisxbt : so fair basis is the interest rate?
[2015-05-26 02:51:36] chrisxbt : 40%?
[2015-05-26 02:51:46] BitMEX_Arthur : yes
[2015-05-26 02:52:11] BitMEX_Arthur : basically on an annualised basis XBTM15 "should" trade 40% more expensive than spot
[2015-05-26 02:52:22] BitMEX_Arthur : in reality we just match it to where the current market is trading
[2015-05-26 02:53:31] BitMEX_Arthur : we aren't trying to tell traders what is "fair" but rather if you want to aggressively push the futures price far away from the traded market and in great divergence from how spot is moving in % terms, it makes you post more margin
[2015-05-26 02:54:13] chrisxbt : would the 40% mean interest rate on USD for XBU and BTC for XBT?
[2015-05-26 02:54:26] chrisxbt : mean (not average)
[2015-05-26 02:54:48] BitMEX_Arthur : so it's the differential so (1 + USD RATE) / (1 + XBT Rate) -1
[2015-05-26 02:54:58] BitMEX_Arthur : for a futures contract with XBTUSD underlying
[2015-05-26 02:55:18] BitMEX_Arthur : https://www.bitmex.com/app/financialFormulas
[2015-05-26 02:55:27] BitMEX_Arthur : It's the `Covered Interest Rate Parity` formula
[2015-05-26 02:57:09] cengel : what feed are you using for both rates ?
[2015-05-26 02:57:20] BitMEX_Arthur : The rate is set by us
[2015-05-26 02:57:32] BitMEX_Arthur : but that's the financial theory behind what a fair price of a currency future is
[2015-05-26 02:57:46] cengel : i know, but im curious how you're setting the rates then if youre not using a specific source
[2015-05-26 02:57:47] BitMEX_Arthur : as I said we match the rate to the where the contract is actually trading, and adj periodically
[2015-05-26 02:57:51] cengel : ohh
[2015-05-26 02:57:59] cengel : so you're not using actual lending rates
[2015-05-26 02:58:09] BitMEX_Arthur : No we aren't we don't want to tell traders where "fair" is
[2015-05-26 02:58:27] BitMEX_Arthur : but if the market is trading 245/246 and you want to smack it down to 230 and spot didn't move
[2015-05-26 02:58:31] BitMEX_Arthur : we make you post more margin
[2015-05-26 02:58:46] cengel : yea
[2015-05-26 02:58:50] BitMEX_Arthur : because you are most likely trying to game margin calls and the bankruptcy price limits
[2015-05-26 02:59:10] cengel : i just was curious when i saw 40% where that number was coming from if it really was the borrow rate differential but i see you were in the middle of explaining the fair pricing
[2015-05-26 03:01:02] cengel : and then i got curious which funding markets people would use to make an estimate :)
[2015-05-26 03:01:09] cengel : esp for BTC
[2015-05-26 03:01:19] BitMEX_Arthur : I use bf
[2015-05-26 03:01:32] cengel : the swap markets yea
[2015-05-26 03:01:34] cengel : that makes sense
[2015-05-26 03:01:34] BitMEX_Arthur : yeah
[2015-05-26 03:01:47] BitMEX_Arthur : but with `XBT` series you have the added USD gamma
[2015-05-26 03:01:54] BitMEX_Arthur : which is why the contract trades more expensive than `XBU`
[2015-05-26 03:02:23] cengel : yep
[2015-05-26 03:51:58] BitMEX_Arthur : http://shitco.in/2015/05/26/okc-races-the-nsa-to-beat-cryptography/
[2015-05-26 03:51:58] BitMEX_Arthur : Gold
[2015-05-26 04:40:09] chrisxbt : Its also Roger Ver paying people to beat cryptography. Someone just needs to mine the contract to get forge Roger Ver's contract.
[2015-05-26 05:39:26] goat : BitMEX_Arthur: hahahah thanks
[2015-05-26 05:39:30] goat : i am going to sleep now
[2015-05-26 05:39:35] goat : just made a few small edits
[2015-05-26 05:39:54] goat : grammatical things
[2015-05-26 05:39:57] goat : talk to you later
[2015-05-26 07:56:41] cengel : damn, i wish those christmas contracts were listing today not friday
[2015-05-26 09:21:04] BitMEX_Arthur : cengel: you mean Dec XBU contracts
[2015-05-26 10:07:45] cengel : yep
[2015-05-26 10:07:49] cengel : this Friday right ?
[2015-05-26 10:07:56] BitMEX_Arthur : yes
[2015-05-26 10:08:09] cengel : they settle on xmas day
[2015-05-26 10:08:22] BitMEX_Arthur : ah yes they do
[2015-05-26 10:08:24] BitMEX_Arthur : now i get it
[2015-05-26 10:10:50] cengel : so i've got a basic execution sheet functioning on Excel. feels so goofy still lol
[2015-05-26 10:11:14] BitMEX_Arthur : so does it execute based on rules you set, or is there a "trade" button
[2015-05-26 10:15:54] cengel : oh it's totally manual right now, the automated stuff is python and separate.
[2015-05-26 10:16:05] cengel : i dont trust VBA to start letting it make its own decisions
[2015-05-26 10:16:17] BitMEX_Arthur : hah
[2015-05-26 10:16:37] cengel : im just talking a basic order management, so .. showing open orders, placing order, and deleting order
[2015-05-26 10:17:07] cengel : but no reason to even flirt with VBA doing it auto, python is superior
[2015-05-26 10:17:29] BitMEX_Arthur : Can you pull in your current positions?
[2015-05-26 10:17:40] cengel : yep
[2015-05-26 10:17:55] BitMEX_Arthur : you can build some nice risk management tools
[2015-05-26 10:17:59] BitMEX_Arthur : see your DV01
[2015-05-26 10:18:39] cengel : yea that's part of the plan
[2015-05-26 10:19:05] cengel : funny enough the only hurdle was getting the api-sig hex hash calculation to be pure VBA
[2015-05-26 10:19:38] cengel : but i posted it and Sam posted it on his git too so if anyone runs into that hurdle ive got the simple solution up
[2015-05-26 10:24:41] cengel : but i Think Excel would not be a dum bway to manage as you say the open positions net risk exposure and stuff
[2015-05-26 10:24:50] cengel : but for automation? maybe a little dumb :)
[2015-05-26 10:25:21] BitMEX_Arthur : it's familiar to a lot of people
[2015-05-26 10:25:24] BitMEX_Arthur : that's the issue
[2015-05-26 10:26:08] cengel : yea i was mentioning before there's this platform developed called Nordea Market,s kind of popular in Europe, and they are 100% Excel, a huge dynamic application
[2015-05-26 10:26:13] cengel : just because it's so entrenched in corporate world (Excel)
[2015-05-26 10:26:47] cengel : they're competing iwht Bloomberg, who just does their own terminal, and they figured, oh lets do a bloomberg for Excel , since all finance pros have it, and then they dont need to use a separate terminal etc
[2015-05-26 10:28:29] cengel : but i can just imagine their dev team that was assigned to this was like "are you fucking kidding me?"
[2015-05-26 10:28:38] BitMEX_Arthur : haha
[2015-05-26 10:30:01] cengel : i misspoke earlier the application is Nordea Analytics
[2015-05-26 10:30:13] cengel : Nordea Markets is just the IB group name for Nordea division
[2015-05-26 10:30:20] cengel : huge European bank, dominates Northern Europe
[2015-05-26 10:32:17] BitMEX_Arthur : gotcha
[2015-05-26 10:32:19] BitMEX_Arthur : will have to check that ou
[2015-05-26 10:32:20] BitMEX_Arthur : t
[2015-05-26 10:32:23] BitMEX_Arthur : never heard of it
[2015-05-26 10:43:43] cengel : Arthur, can i do table query filters that say, for GET /position {"currentQtyl": ">0"}
[2015-05-26 10:43:59] cengel : want to weed out the expired positions within query if possible
[2015-05-26 10:44:48] BitMEX_Arthur : not sure, Sam will comment later on today he's the API expert, but try it out in the api explorer
[2015-05-26 10:45:21] cengel : yea he was super helpful yesterday when i was derpin on urlencoding
[2015-05-26 11:20:58] BitMEX_Wally : cengel: Try {"symbol.state": ["Open","Closed","Suspended"]} as a filter
[2015-05-26 11:22:07] BitMEX_Wally : That will exclude instruments that are Unlisted, Expired, Cleared, Settled
[2015-05-26 11:23:26] BitMEX_Wally : The position data for Settled contracts is subject to be archived, as the realisedPnl has already been CashSettled with a transaction.
[2015-05-26 11:26:07] cengel : it returns error, i dont see symbol.state as part of respnse class in GET /position in API exporer either
[2015-05-26 11:38:58] cengel : out of all the parms in the response class the only one i can see that owuld work to filter OPen positions is currentQty > 0
[2015-05-26 11:39:05] cengel : but afaik cant do that in table filter for jquery
[2015-05-26 11:41:14] BitMEX_Wally : Hmmm, the API is filtering out these filters
[2015-05-26 11:42:17] BitMEX_Wally : And the engine doesn't support inequalities
[2015-05-26 11:42:33] cengel : and there no other parm that would work that im missing ?