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[2015-12-31 08:42:59] rapidtrades : :)
[2015-12-31 09:12:25] rapidtrades : so we didn't crash today huh
[2015-12-31 09:15:29] rapidtrades : Let's hope we crash into the New Year when everyone's on holiday
[2015-12-31 09:18:58] gouda : one could only hope :D
[2015-12-31 09:19:07] gouda : still made something for that drop :D
[2015-12-31 09:19:44] gustavo7 : Holz Pump
[2015-12-31 09:20:32] Gomezpl : to the skyyyy
[2015-12-31 09:21:02] Gomezpl : bfx goin up
[2015-12-31 09:25:46] rapidtrades : smone fomo-ed on finex
[2015-12-31 09:33:40] rapidtrades : that's pretty much it until settlement...at least here
[2015-12-31 11:53:52] ayy lmao : 100k sell
[2015-12-31 11:53:56] ayy lmao : lol
[2015-12-31 11:53:59] Gomezpl : yep
[2015-12-31 11:54:01] Gomezpl : incoming
[2015-12-31 11:54:03] habibi : just for settlement
[2015-12-31 11:54:11] thehawthorne : SAVE FEEES
[2015-12-31 11:54:12] habibi : free profit in case someone would buy it
[2015-12-31 11:54:24] habibi : its not about fees, there are not even 100k open interest
[2015-12-31 12:15:55] rapidtrades : I got too easy fill...looks like another discount day
[2015-12-31 13:02:16] jung1 : rapidtrades: take a break rapid
[2015-12-31 13:02:20] jung1 : nye today
[2015-12-31 13:57:32] habibi : jung1: najlepszego na nowy rok ;)
[2015-12-31 13:57:48] habibi : 100 bitków zarobionych tu jak i 100x wzrostu wartości bitka :)
[2015-12-31 14:18:22] justinlooking : ????
[2015-12-31 15:12:02] Gomezpl : Najlepszego wszystkim
[2015-12-31 15:28:13] TschavaTschigger : is this an encoding problem on my end? http://imgur.com/iH1XKKL
[2015-12-31 15:29:49] TschavaTschigger : Got UTF-8
[2015-12-31 15:31:34] jesperf : it's the emoji part of utf-8
[2015-12-31 15:31:38] jesperf : not all browsers support it
[2015-12-31 15:44:57] rapidtrades : where did the mm bots go?
[2015-12-31 16:09:50] sleger : they went party dude
[2015-12-31 16:37:04] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 1000 @ 426.92
[2015-12-31 16:40:36] macios15 : nice pump
[2015-12-31 16:42:34] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT7D: Buy 2200 @ 428.73
[2015-12-31 16:50:28] rapidtrades : it would be hilarious if bitcoin rallies on new year's eve
[2015-12-31 16:53:54] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 1000 @ 432.15
[2015-12-31 16:53:54] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 4995 @ 432.15
[2015-12-31 16:54:18] habibi : 7d <3
[2015-12-31 17:04:28] Swedishnut : whatever the outlier option Bitcoin likes to take :P
[2015-12-31 17:06:33] Swedishnut : in any case Happy New Year :)
[2015-12-31 17:08:50] Gomezpl : Habibi god job on 7:)
[2015-12-31 17:09:24] Gomezpl : I wonder if it stopa or goes all night crazy
[2015-12-31 17:15:25] rapidtrades : stopa prolly
[2015-12-31 17:18:19] rapidtrades : need more premium to sell :)
[2015-12-31 17:18:25] jesperf : all nighta crazya is my bet
[2015-12-31 17:18:25] rapidtrades : bid it up b1tches
[2015-12-31 17:19:47] rapidtrades : China already had their new year right
[2015-12-31 17:20:11] rapidtrades : so now they're coming back home drunk and getting online...fomoing like crazy
[2015-12-31 17:20:36] rapidtrades : I MISSED LAST YEAR RALLI BUT NOT DIS YEAR CHIN CHON CHING
[2015-12-31 17:51:19] habibi : Best wishes for new year for everyone! :) Even for u rapidtrades:)
[2015-12-31 17:51:39] habibi : multiple both ur bitcoins and bitcoin's price
[2015-12-31 18:16:40] rapidtrades : habibi: tnx man, you too :)
[2015-12-31 18:17:11] rapidtrades : btw this is the first and last time I will acknowledge your presence :)
[2015-12-31 18:18:51] sleger : that 120k 7d yesterday ended up being a good buy...
[2015-12-31 18:19:21] sleger : 4.6btc profit realized, 4.2 unrealized
[2015-12-31 18:23:44] habibi : sleger: so basically u realized it at 424 mostly?
[2015-12-31 18:24:13] sleger : no
[2015-12-31 18:24:26] habibi : how much contracts u bought? 40k or more?
[2015-12-31 18:24:35] sleger : i have only closed a small one. No I had bought 120k contracts
[2015-12-31 18:25:04] sleger : I went from -40k to long 80k and now still long 54k
[2015-12-31 18:25:10] habibi : hm still only 20-30k bought above 425 since that dump
[2015-12-31 18:25:45] sleger : XBT7D 53674
[2015-12-31 18:25:51] sleger : 422.23
[2015-12-31 18:25:57] habibi : k, so not 120k :p
[2015-12-31 18:26:03] sleger : yes I bought 120k
[2015-12-31 18:26:25] sleger : I was short 40k before, I bought 120k, then I was long 80k and in the last 2 hours I sold some so I am now long 53k
[2015-12-31 18:26:45] sleger : Don't use the 11=14 formula in your maths, it doesnt really work...
[2015-12-31 18:27:21] habibi : gj anyway :)and dont be an asshole :)
[2015-12-31 18:28:37] TschavaTschigger : sleger: did you really have a 2 month drawdown once?
[2015-12-31 18:29:56] sleger : yes but not on the algo
[2015-12-31 18:30:42] sleger : it was actually around same time last year, I was partying in some other country, markets were very calm, so I chose to sleep over a settlement where I had a 3k btc position
[2015-12-31 18:30:56] sleger : unfortunately between settlement and wake up, things didnt go well :p
[2015-12-31 18:31:24] sleger : something like 35 points move against me or ~-90k$
[2015-12-31 18:31:39] rapidtrades : hehe
[2015-12-31 18:31:42] rapidtrades : niceeeee
[2015-12-31 18:31:42] habibi : okc?
[2015-12-31 18:31:48] sleger : no
[2015-12-31 18:32:05] habibi : pretty costly sleep, there are no much hotels that are more expensive that this
[2015-12-31 18:32:41] habibi : sleger: where then?
[2015-12-31 18:33:19] sleger : doesnt matter for this story, I prefer not to mention where I have sometimes such large positions
[2015-12-31 18:34:02] sleger : one day I'll do it again and it will be in my favor... maybe
[2015-12-31 18:34:26] habibi : so finex! :) anyway thats this businness cost
[2015-12-31 18:41:15] rapidtrades : habibi: he said settlement
[2015-12-31 18:43:08] habibi : rapidtrades: u damm right
[2015-12-31 18:43:10] habibi : so okc only
[2015-12-31 18:43:42] habibi : or maybe 796 in past
[2015-12-31 18:44:07] rapidtrades : or he's full of shit as usual
[2015-12-31 18:44:57] sleger : rapidtrades: dont be so jealous .
[2015-12-31 18:45:33] sleger : habibi: I trade/have traded futures (yes it was a settlement) on okc, 796, bitvc, bitmex, orderbook (ex icbit)
[2015-12-31 18:51:12] rapidtrades : FX trading like bitcoin today
[2015-12-31 18:51:29] rapidtrades : swings all around, no rime or reason behind the moves :)
[2015-12-31 18:52:02] sleger : rapidtrades: where do you trade FX?
[2015-12-31 18:53:17] rapidtrades : in my mom's basement
[2015-12-31 18:53:32] sleger : I knew that but that wasnt my question
[2015-12-31 18:58:22] laisee : yahoo finance
[2015-12-31 19:11:14] rapidtrades : looks like the Yen will beat the Dollar this year
[2015-12-31 19:13:58] rapidtrades : sleger: have u traded options?
[2015-12-31 19:14:39] rapidtrades : or anyone else?
[2015-12-31 19:18:02] habibi : binary options fe?
[2015-12-31 19:18:41] habibi : even isolated margin is safer that binary options imo
[2015-12-31 19:19:36] sleger : Options yes but only on equities and bitcoin
[2015-12-31 19:20:13] rapidtrades : on bitcoin? where?
[2015-12-31 19:21:06] rapidtrades : I was gonna ask if u trade options on fx but u don't trade those
[2015-12-31 19:21:52] rapidtrades : I've been demoing with FXE but the 8-hour time window is driving me up the wall....anyone has any ideas for 24h FX options?
[2015-12-31 19:22:28] sleger : Fx only spot and fut
[2015-12-31 19:23:13] sleger : On bitcoin on predictious but kind of dead now on 796 but same so now only OTC
[2015-12-31 19:24:13] rapidtrades : yeah we need an options market
[2015-12-31 19:25:11] sleger : Why wont you say where you trade fx?
[2015-12-31 19:25:25] sleger : and how your bot is progressing?
[2015-12-31 19:26:24] rapidtrades : too busy trading to code...I'll prolly pay smone to do it
[2015-12-31 19:26:38] rapidtrades : my strats are simple anyway
[2015-12-31 19:27:19] rapidtrades : it shouldn't be too expensive
[2015-12-31 19:28:40] laisee : rapidtrades: > what advantage u think options have over futures?
[2015-12-31 19:32:07] sleger : Not enough demand for options to be viable for an exchange
[2015-12-31 19:32:56] laisee : yes. options require quite large flow to be profitable for exchanges & liquid for traders
[2015-12-31 19:33:17] rapidtrades : idk we''re already doing >1 bil per day
[2015-12-31 19:33:23] sleger : Problem is also around margin
[2015-12-31 19:34:08] laisee : 1B of cash trades for BTC? hmmm
[2015-12-31 19:34:23] rapidtrades : nah with futures
[2015-12-31 19:35:34] laisee : thats not much when it comes to options.
[2015-12-31 19:36:06] rapidtrades : how do u know? A lot of smaller US stocks have options on them
[2015-12-31 19:36:51] laisee : yes, but they're only traded on 1 or 2 exchanges. BTC volume is across many exchanges.
[2015-12-31 19:36:52] TschavaTschigger : there is no demand for options on btc yet. even futures have very low demand still, although growing.
[2015-12-31 19:36:53] sleger : Because technology and liquidity providers already exist so there was almost no cost to extend
[2015-12-31 19:37:30] rapidtrades : ok
[2015-12-31 19:37:57] sleger : Options are almost exclusively aapl and spy
[2015-12-31 19:38:00] TschavaTschigger : btw, options are too complicated for most of btc users. some even have problems grasping the concept of futures.. *cough* rapid *cough*
[2015-12-31 19:38:04] laisee : options trading & risk management is a couple of magnitudes more complex than futures IMO.
[2015-12-31 19:38:19] laisee : TschavaTschigger: > snap.
[2015-12-31 19:38:35] sleger : Lol
[2015-12-31 19:38:49] TschavaTschigger : famous quote "omg this premium"
[2015-12-31 19:38:54] rapidtrades : well well if it isn't mister Manipulator himself
[2015-12-31 19:39:15] rapidtrades : planning to pull bid again sir? just let us know in advance plz
[2015-12-31 19:39:21] laisee : cool. lets ask how he does it.
[2015-12-31 19:39:31] sleger : So now someone manipulated prices... Conspiracy theory?
[2015-12-31 19:40:11] laisee : a masonic plot to bring down finance ...
[2015-12-31 19:40:30] TschavaTschigger : sleger: I sold ~12k futures on bitmex last night, after that finex price fell $3... rapid thinks it was of my future sale :D
[2015-12-31 19:40:45] sleger : Is that how bitcoiners explain to their mom how they lost their monthly allowance?
[2015-12-31 19:40:47] TschavaTschigger : it was because*
[2015-12-31 19:40:53] rapidtrades : it was a discount...price ''didnt fall''
[2015-12-31 19:41:03] rapidtrades : smone pulled th bids
[2015-12-31 19:41:06] TschavaTschigger : rapidtrades: you still don't get it?
[2015-12-31 19:41:12] TschavaTschigger : that's hilarious
[2015-12-31 19:41:37] laisee : HFT strikes agin
[2015-12-31 19:41:44] sleger : Was there a rekt 1 contract again?
[2015-12-31 19:42:38] laisee : 2. CFTC and SEC are involved.
[2015-12-31 19:43:01] laisee : markup is weird
[2015-12-31 20:10:33] HowDoge : this is the best trollbox ever. I waste to much time reviewing the chat :D
[2015-12-31 20:22:40] TschavaTschigger : anybody already having 2016?
[2015-12-31 20:23:15] cataquil : we hit 1 ExoHash/sec this week
[2015-12-31 20:32:44] cataquil : rapid stay away from binary options in fx, that is the latest evolution of forex bucketshop scam
[2015-12-31 20:33:32] TschavaTschigger : don't worry, rapid is a professional trader
[2015-12-31 20:33:49] sleger : guy knows what he is doing
[2015-12-31 20:34:39] TschavaTschigger : rapid has a PHD in finance and is writing a forex bot
[2015-12-31 20:36:32] cataquil : sure but even the layman should get a warning
[2015-12-31 20:38:12] kingscrown : ok brothers, catch u in 2016!
[2015-12-31 20:39:44] TschavaTschigger : he has been warned a million times. but you just can't stop certain people from doing certain things... natural selection I guess
[2015-12-31 21:02:47] blackwhite : Guys can anyone help me to understand how the maint margin is calculated? I see "1% + Exit Commission" in the contract which don't tell me much. It's about 4,1% of value of my tiny position, so it's not a round number and I'm lost how it was calced
[2015-12-31 21:04:35] cataquil : anyone used this https://coinut.com/
[2015-12-31 21:05:11] SnackyCoins : i have an acct there, never funded it
[2015-12-31 21:05:25] SnackyCoins : afiak the developer is one guy funded by draper
[2015-12-31 21:06:10] SnackyCoins : then the CFTC decided what it did and lawyers came to ask him questions
[2015-12-31 21:06:17] SnackyCoins : err agents*
[2015-12-31 21:06:29] SnackyCoins : now drapers lawyers are dealing with it and he sent the dev to china
[2015-12-31 21:07:07] SnackyCoins : he made it there but i havent seen him in the telegram group for a few weeks. so... maybe watch your deposit amt there :)
[2015-12-31 21:26:13] rapidtrades : cmon baby let's see that $3 premium
[2015-12-31 21:30:23] habibi : negative one? no worries
[2015-12-31 21:32:01] cataquil : of interest http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-22/nabbing-the-rogue-algo-inside-the-year-spoofing-went-mainstream
[2015-12-31 21:36:50] cataquil : infomercial for that software
[2015-12-31 22:22:53] rapidtrades : they sold the Euro imto the close...mofos
[2015-12-31 22:23:32] rapidtrades : tons of games today...made the right call to stay out few days ago
[2015-12-31 22:36:13] cataquil : trading fx dur xmas-nye not generally a good ide
[2015-12-31 22:43:11] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 200 @ 429.10
[2016-01-01 04:25:10] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT7D: Buy 1500 @ 434.39
[2016-01-01 04:48:07] ethexio : Bangas
[2016-01-01 04:56:06] stevelim : Anyone around? Time to sell maybe?
[2016-01-01 04:56:56] stevelim : Happy New year!!
[2016-01-01 06:04:22] stevelim : as expected..drooping
[2016-01-01 06:06:01] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 13 @ 431.46
[2016-01-01 06:06:02] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1001 @ 431.36
[2016-01-01 07:51:03] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 60 @ 432.60
[2016-01-01 07:51:42] Yepachuchu : huobi
[2016-01-01 10:25:48] ethexio : Go
[2016-01-01 11:49:43] chromaticcr : what an order on 7D
[2016-01-01 11:58:18] rapidtrades : wtf...
[2016-01-01 11:58:26] rapidtrades : why would smone pay 433
[2016-01-01 11:58:37] BitMEX_Wally : To save on the settlement fee
[2016-01-01 11:59:01] rapidtrades : that's $1.5 above settlement price
[2016-01-01 11:59:18] rapidtrades : xbt yo
[2016-01-01 11:59:39] BitMEX_Wally : They will get a 2.5 bps rebate if it is hit
[2016-01-01 12:00:06] rapidtrades : tha's 8 cents
[2016-01-01 12:00:09] rapidtrades : sry 10 now
[2016-01-01 12:00:17] BitMEX_Wally : Odd
[2016-01-01 12:04:08] messiaen8844 : BitMEX_Wally: hi, some local time oddity here. 1 minute ago it said 7D would expire in 21h here
[2016-01-01 12:08:01] messiaen8844 : Daily expiring on 2d lol.. Accessing frok another country
[2016-01-01 12:12:19] BitMEX_Wally : messiaen8844: Could you check that the timezone is set correctly on your computer?
[2016-01-01 12:12:21] BitMEX_Wally : You might need to correct the timezone AND the time
[2016-01-01 12:12:54] rapidtrades : oh-oh...it's the 2016 BUG
[2016-01-01 12:12:56] Gomezpl : It must be date od computer
[2016-01-01 12:13:09] rapidtrades : SELL EVERYTHING
[2016-01-01 12:13:16] rapidtrades : SELL YO KIDS SELL YO WIFES
[2016-01-01 12:13:28] rapidtrades : BUG IN BITCOIN
[2016-01-01 12:15:05] Skuffone : Is okcoin website down?
[2016-01-01 12:15:32] rapidtrades : nope
[2016-01-01 12:15:54] messiaen8844 : BitMEX_Wally: accessing from android tablet, also facing similar issues in other sites, probably some issue with my settings
[2016-01-01 12:16:58] BitMEX_Wally : Skuffone: .cn is up but .com is down it seems
[2016-01-01 12:19:29] trestres : BitMEX_Wally: can you check pls my positions? As I see there are some mistakes
[2016-01-01 12:20:05] Skuffone : Ah .com is down for me
[2016-01-01 12:23:01] Skuffone : That's crazy it has been down for ages
[2016-01-01 12:24:01] Skuffone : Bet they are taking everyone's btc
[2016-01-01 12:25:50] BitMEX_Wally : trestres: I can see you have positions in XBTH16 and XBTM16
[2016-01-01 12:26:08] trestres : true
[2016-01-01 12:27:13] BitMEX_Wally : trestres: You can see your Trade History here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-01-01 12:27:50] trestres : but I should lose on XBTM16 and gain on XBTH16 and not the opposite
[2016-01-01 12:28:51] BitMEX_Wally : Every Friday all unrealisedPnl becomes realisedPnl and is available for withdrawal. We call this rebalance.
[2016-01-01 12:29:23] trestres : ah sorry ------ I didnt know it
[2016-01-01 12:29:33] BitMEX_Wally : Your PNL is still the same, it has just moved from one column to another :)
[2016-01-01 12:29:49] trestres : yes... now I understood
[2016-01-01 12:29:56] trestres : tnks
[2016-01-01 12:30:11] BitMEX_Wally : No worries, you can see the CashRebalance transaction in your wallet: https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2016-01-01 13:48:12] Gomezpl : Stupid questiin any way to cancel withdrawal that was co firmed but nit completed?
[2016-01-01 13:54:29] macios15 : nice dump
[2016-01-01 13:56:59] BitMEX_Wally : Gomezpl: Yes please email support@bitmex.com
[2016-01-01 14:15:28] BitMEX_Wally : Gomezpl: I just canceled your withdrawal as we are broadcasting transactions now
[2016-01-01 14:57:26] Gomezpl : Thank you!
[2016-01-01 14:57:40] Gomezpl : Kisses:)
[2016-01-01 15:22:32] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 400 @ 432.40
[2016-01-01 16:37:07] jon___ : hello
[2016-01-01 16:50:54] REKT : Big whale detected
[2016-01-01 16:50:54] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 3 @ 431.82
[2016-01-01 18:06:32] darchray : what will happen to the orders once liquidated? will they be lost forever?
[2016-01-01 18:27:53] tscha : darchray: orders can't get liquidated. positions get liquidated. they will be taken over by the trading system.
[2016-01-01 18:31:06] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 5 @ 434.25
[2016-01-01 19:34:07] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT7D: Buy 2000 @ 437.04
[2016-01-01 20:27:08] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT7D: Buy 100 @ 439.35
[2016-01-01 20:27:55] tscha : stop manipulating 7D guys... thank you
[2016-01-01 20:28:35] sleger : why ? you got your 5 contracts position rekted ?
[2016-01-01 20:29:34] tscha : my position is 50 contracts!!!! not 5!!!!!!!
[2016-01-01 20:32:17] sleger : wow big balls here
[2016-01-01 20:39:52] tscha : i once had 7000 position!!! so dont make fun!!!!!
[2016-01-01 20:41:03] manchstr_untd1 : lol
[2016-01-01 20:41:27] sleger : 7000 bitcoins is not too bad ;)
[2016-01-01 20:41:58] tscha : not bicoins.. 7000 contracts=dollars
[2016-01-01 20:42:13] sleger : 1 contract = 1 dollar for you ?
[2016-01-01 20:42:25] justinlooking : yo sleg, u manage to run manu's position :P
[2016-01-01 20:42:37] sleger : manu ? the 7D ?
[2016-01-01 20:42:40] justinlooking : yeh
[2016-01-01 20:42:51] sleger : 8btc profit on that trade yes
[2016-01-01 20:43:00] manchstr_untd1 : sledg u bought a bunch of my 7d that got liqd didnt u? in the damn low 420s if i remember lol
[2016-01-01 20:43:18] sleger : 422 avg yes
[2016-01-01 20:43:25] manchstr_untd1 : u hold til settlement?
[2016-01-01 20:43:37] manchstr_untd1 : ugh so mad i went to sleep without reducing my position that night
[2016-01-01 20:43:39] sleger : most of it yes
[2016-01-01 20:43:41] tscha : 1000 contracts = 1000 dollars no?
[2016-01-01 20:43:53] sleger : tscha: depends where you trade I guess
[2016-01-01 20:44:10] tscha : 1100 contracts = 1400 dollars
[2016-01-01 20:44:25] manchstr_untd1 : good on you man that was a good pickup. now i got some losses to make up :p
[2016-01-01 20:44:49] sleger : I try never to leverage above 4-5
[2016-01-01 20:46:45] justinlooking : flipped a 40k short to 80 long lol u r a hero sleger
[2016-01-01 20:47:37] sleger : doesnt always work but buying 7d at 2-3 points below index when market isnt really crashing is a no brainer
[2016-01-01 20:49:48] justinlooking : running a winner is where i have always struggled
[2016-01-01 21:19:39] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 1000 @ 435.34
[2016-01-01 23:07:06] zanza : so its true the Bit-coin price will double in June?
[2016-01-01 23:07:33] Swedishnut : just got back from my time machine. Yes sir :P
[2016-01-01 23:08:00] zanza : ok great, so I should invest now
[2016-01-01 23:08:21] Swedishnut : only if you want your values to double :)
[2016-01-01 23:24:08] gustavo7 : wow someone bought up xbu
[2016-01-01 23:27:11] sleger : the last trade is a sell
[2016-01-01 23:27:41] gustavo7 : indeed
[2016-01-01 23:29:06] gustavo7 : but when you put the offer at that premium its almost the same
[2016-01-01 23:29:34] sleger : that doesnt mean anything
[2016-01-01 23:29:47] sleger : I can put an offer on xbu at 600 (big premium) so what ?
[2016-01-01 23:33:15] gustavo7 : um maybe i dont get the logic right, recent trade shows the direction the offer was originally right?
[2016-01-01 23:34:47] sleger : recent trades shows many things so you'll have to be more specific
[2016-01-01 23:35:27] sleger : anyways, you said "gustavo7: but when you put the offer at that premium its almost the same" what you meant was to say bid not offer
[2016-01-01 23:47:49] gustavo7 : yes i didn't recall the word "bid" i often use "offer" for both sides
[2016-01-01 23:50:35] gustavo7 : anyway i just tought the bid was high
[2016-01-01 23:51:57] gustavo7 : well hedged off to sleep
[2016-01-02 00:06:32] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 100 @ 436.37
[2016-01-02 00:37:51] Ugly_Old_Goat : So what it prognosis?
[2016-01-02 00:39:22] Ugly_Old_Goat : broke previous weeks low, rallied, broke again into previous weeks low, ralled
[2016-01-02 00:39:41] Ugly_Old_Goat : previous weeks low is now support.
[2016-01-02 00:39:58] Ugly_Old_Goat : Should not break it a gain if going up
[2016-01-02 00:40:27] Ugly_Old_Goat : this rally should take us to new highs.
[2016-01-02 00:40:54] Ugly_Old_Goat : slow at first and then accelerate and get wild
[2016-01-02 00:41:19] Ugly_Old_Goat : Worth what you paid for it
[2016-01-02 00:41:21] Ugly_Old_Goat : Free.
[2016-01-02 00:41:40] Ugly_Old_Goat : fully positioned
[2016-01-02 01:37:34] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 10 @ 435.00
[2016-01-02 01:43:04] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 52 @ 432.07
[2016-01-02 01:43:04] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 7650 @ 432.77
[2016-01-02 01:43:40] habibi : Ugly_Old_Goat: nice local top calling :)
[2016-01-02 01:43:44] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 2500 @ 430.75
[2016-01-02 01:45:14] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 5108 @ 437.07
[2016-01-02 01:45:14] REKT : HODL HODL HODL
[2016-01-02 01:46:24] cekseh : Sell sell sell
[2016-01-02 01:46:25] cekseh : =)
[2016-01-02 01:49:34] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 10 @ 431.57
[2016-01-02 02:46:26] Ugly_Old_Goat : should be about done on dowside
[2016-01-02 02:47:01] Ugly_Old_Goat : maybe 426-428 but not likely
[2016-01-02 02:47:12] Ugly_Old_Goat : be ready to buy if does.
[2016-01-02 02:47:34] Ugly_Old_Goat : Cover all sales about 434
[2016-01-02 02:47:47] Ugly_Old_Goat : should recover
[2016-01-02 02:47:53] Ugly_Old_Goat : accelerate slowly
[2016-01-02 02:48:04] Ugly_Old_Goat : then ge wild in Jan
[2016-01-02 02:49:32] Ugly_Old_Goat : Likely target 800+
[2016-01-02 03:02:13] Ugly_Old_Goat : 6-12 weeks
[2016-01-02 03:02:40] Ugly_Old_Goat : This place is awesome
[2016-01-02 03:03:00] Ugly_Old_Goat : Lots of thought put into it
[2016-01-02 03:04:55] Ugly_Old_Goat : Only possible improvement would be 24 hr at 4pm switches can be made
[2016-01-02 03:08:26] UglyOldGoat : Ugly Old Goat here
[2016-01-02 03:08:59] UglyOldGoat : Anybody here know me from scrypt.cc?
[2016-01-02 03:09:12] SnackyCoins : people often complain about trading on "more popular" exchanges, but seems like very little complaints from bitmex users :) except sleger
[2016-01-02 03:09:44] UglyOldGoat : This place is awesome
[2016-01-02 03:09:51] UglyOldGoat : See nothing but growth
[2016-01-02 03:10:04] UglyOldGoat : A bit different
[2016-01-02 03:10:06] SnackyCoins : agreed i only trade here now
[2016-01-02 03:10:20] UglyOldGoat : Took me a bit to figure it out
[2016-01-02 03:10:36] UglyOldGoat : But great arb and hedgin tool
[2016-01-02 03:10:47] UglyOldGoat : Rates super fantastic
[2016-01-02 03:11:25] UglyOldGoat : Old trader from 1970's, this is very well thought out
[2016-01-02 03:12:07] UglyOldGoat : very smart traders here too
[2016-01-02 03:13:23] melbeehoneyumi : Mr. im new in trading, would it be bothersome to for you to mentor me?
[2016-01-02 03:14:15] Ugly_Old_Goat : Most important thing is money management
[2016-01-02 03:14:58] melbeehoneyumi : yeah, i've been hearing those words since I studied trading
[2016-01-02 03:15:00] Ugly_Old_Goat : You can be a below average trader and still do well if you manage funds
[2016-01-02 03:15:24] Ugly_Old_Goat : Well it is the hardest thing to learn
[2016-01-02 03:15:38] Ugly_Old_Goat : And easy to break
[2016-01-02 03:16:39] melbeehoneyumi : yeah, I always find myself in that situation, its so frustrating
[2016-01-02 03:16:42] Ugly_Old_Goat : This place is so on steroids, that the temptation is to overlevrage
[2016-01-02 03:17:14] Ugly_Old_Goat : But the bankrupt feature is brilliant
[2016-01-02 03:17:42] Ugly_Old_Goat : So basically the winners here in the long run will be those that manage funds well
[2016-01-02 03:18:03] melbeehoneyumi : I've been gathering information on how to trade efficiently on these past few months, but im not certain of all that I learned, I'm hoping someone could mentor me if im doing the right thing
[2016-01-02 03:18:55] Ugly_Old_Goat : Well, start out with long term fundamental strategy
[2016-01-02 03:19:16] Ugly_Old_Goat : Is btc worthless or viable
[2016-01-02 03:19:40] Ugly_Old_Goat : If it is viable, are you using it?
[2016-01-02 03:19:49] Ugly_Old_Goat : or just speculating?
[2016-01-02 03:20:32] melbeehoneyumi : im basing my trade on some patterns that I see basing on the chart
[2016-01-02 03:20:56] melbeehoneyumi : apologies for my lack of knowledge but what is viable?
[2016-01-02 03:21:15] Ugly_Old_Goat : Do you use btc?
[2016-01-02 03:21:20] melbeehoneyumi : yeah
[2016-01-02 03:21:25] Ugly_Old_Goat : Or just trade?
[2016-01-02 03:21:35] melbeehoneyumi : XBTC24H?
[2016-01-02 03:21:40] Ugly_Old_Goat : Ok, then you know it is valuable
[2016-01-02 03:21:49] melbeehoneyumi : ohh it was valuable
[2016-01-02 03:22:06] Ugly_Old_Goat : ??
[2016-01-02 03:22:06] melbeehoneyumi : yeah, I think so
[2016-01-02 03:22:17] Ugly_Old_Goat : Well it is also worthless
[2016-01-02 03:23:02] melbeehoneyumi : I have a feeling too but im not sure
[2016-01-02 03:23:17] melbeehoneyumi : I just trade because I find it profitable to trade
[2016-01-02 03:23:36] melbeehoneyumi : how can you say both are worthless and valuable sir?
[2016-01-02 03:24:01] Ugly_Old_Goat : OK long term I see nothing but gain via fiat as more and more people find it useful
[2016-01-02 03:24:12] Ugly_Old_Goat : But it is also worthless.
[2016-01-02 03:24:56] Ugly_Old_Goat : There are spikes down that wipe out anyone on margin exchanges
[2016-01-02 03:25:12] Ugly_Old_Goat : So you must manage fundins accordingly
[2016-01-02 03:25:23] melbeehoneyumi : yeah, I experienced it, took my 200$
[2016-01-02 03:25:29] Ugly_Old_Goat : Knowing this can and will happen from time to time.
[2016-01-02 03:25:39] melbeehoneyumi : that got me frustrated for a week but seems like I'm addicted to trading
[2016-01-02 03:26:07] Ugly_Old_Goat : Well you must enjoy trading, but you must not be addicted
[2016-01-02 03:26:18] melbeehoneyumi : I have a new strategy this time though
[2016-01-02 03:26:29] Ugly_Old_Goat : You must walk away from time to time just to prove you can
[2016-01-02 03:26:50] Ugly_Old_Goat : If you are addicted you will eventually get wiped out
[2016-01-02 03:27:00] melbeehoneyumi : well, not addicted , wrong word, maybe I find it enjoying and thrill
[2016-01-02 03:27:12] Ugly_Old_Goat : That is fine
[2016-01-02 03:27:21] melbeehoneyumi : yeah maybe its the thrill that got me in to this
[2016-01-02 03:27:55] Ugly_Old_Goat : I am sitting here with chronic diaherra wearing designer Depends
[2016-01-02 03:28:14] melbeehoneyumi : this time, im playing it as safe as I know I can be safe by using 20/80 of my capital
[2016-01-02 03:28:27] Ugly_Old_Goat : Never had chronice diaheria before BTC
[2016-01-02 03:30:03] melbeehoneyumi : tell me, is using 20% of my capital as initial bait to determine the market where it goes a good idea then when it reaches its peak, im gonna put the remaining 80% of my capital, once it retrace, im gonna pull the 80% and put 40% , when retrace again another 40% from the 80% pulled out, what do you think about my strategy?
[2016-01-02 03:30:42] melbeehoneyumi : all longs though
[2016-01-02 03:30:53] melbeehoneyumi : im not sure how to apply it yet
[2016-01-02 03:31:54] Ugly_Old_Goat : sounds fine, but don' really get it
[2016-01-02 03:32:44] Ugly_Old_Goat : This is more tactic than strategy
[2016-01-02 03:33:10] Ugly_Old_Goat : But I find this place use for to offset exchange margined positions
[2016-01-02 03:33:47] Ugly_Old_Goat : Keep the margined positon and play the moves here
[2016-01-02 03:33:50] melbeehoneyumi : lets say, price @ 430$ long but it went down to 426$, so I put my 80% capital coz. it showed confirmation that It will go up, then if retrace at 429$ im gonna pull the 80% and put 40% back, then the market went down to 427$ so I put the remaining 40% and just hope it will shoot up to 433 - 435$?
[2016-01-02 03:34:07] melbeehoneyumi : do you think it would be applicable always?
[2016-01-02 03:34:25] Ugly_Old_Goat : to complicated for me
[2016-01-02 03:39:06] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 150 @ 429.83
[2016-01-02 03:45:36] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 2630 @ 429.80
[2016-01-02 05:36:04] stevelim : The market doesn't seem too strong.
[2016-01-02 05:36:21] stevelim : Futures trading discount everywhere.
[2016-01-02 05:40:16] melbeehoneyumi : so what do you think?
[2016-01-02 05:53:52] stevelim : Probably nothing happens but be cautious if we fall below 2835.
[2016-01-02 05:54:13] stevelim : My SAR indicator says sell if it falls below 2835 CNY
[2016-01-02 05:55:15] stevelim : which is not too far.
[2016-01-02 06:20:58] melbeehoneyumi : its constantly declining
[2016-01-02 06:21:13] melbeehoneyumi : is it a bad indicator ?
[2016-01-02 06:39:49] melbeehoneyumi : what could be a good indicator when is the time to buy or the time to sell?
[2016-01-02 07:16:18] zanza : one doesn't exist
[2016-01-02 07:16:35] zanza : you either believe in Bitcoin, think it will be a future tech and go long
[2016-01-02 07:16:51] zanza : or, believe Bitcoin is ponzi-bubble and short
[2016-01-02 07:17:02] zanza : or run a MM bot, or run an exchange
[2016-01-02 07:26:06] stevelim : Fyi, My indicator just turned bearish. Still waiting or confirmation.
[2016-01-02 07:26:10] stevelim : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/ySByw0IV/
[2016-01-02 07:27:17] stevelim : That is 30 min chart
[2016-01-02 07:31:40] stevelim : we will see if it works.
[2016-01-02 07:41:03] melbeehoneyumi : I can see a head and shoulders pattern just slightly w/slight difference only >_<
[2016-01-02 07:41:12] melbeehoneyumi : do you think it will go down to 425$?
[2016-01-02 07:43:25] stevelim : probably
[2016-01-02 07:50:11] melbeehoneyumi : is there some kind of prayer or words to say around here somewhere , kinda hoping the price would go up >_<
[2016-01-02 07:50:33] Yepachuchu : 'derp'
[2016-01-02 07:54:22] melbeehoneyumi : guess the last 5 mins. decides it all right?
[2016-01-02 09:03:33] gustavo7 : yawn, good morning
[2016-01-02 09:12:58] tscha : morning gus
[2016-01-02 09:38:14] ethexio : Nice orderbook
[2016-01-02 10:48:24] rapidtrades : free money on 24h
[2016-01-02 10:50:36] jesperf : free how?
[2016-01-02 10:52:54] jesperf : price < spot?
[2016-01-02 10:53:29] rapidtrades : yeah below settlement price
[2016-01-02 10:54:14] jesperf : ah, but the next hour is critical ;)
[2016-01-02 10:54:43] rapidtrades : why is it ''critical''?
[2016-01-02 10:56:49] jesperf : because of settlement
[2016-01-02 10:59:01] rapidtrades : too late now :)
[2016-01-02 10:59:27] rapidtrades : wtf...who would sell at 50 cents below settlement 1 hour before settlement
[2016-01-02 11:06:34] Chronuslll : What is mark price ? Not the same as what is current price
[2016-01-02 11:14:12] rapidtrades : what
[2016-01-02 11:21:48] Chronuslll : Mark price for contracts? What is that and why is it used for PNL and margin calculations
[2016-01-02 11:22:20] Chronuslll : instead of last price
[2016-01-02 11:22:54] rapidtrades : mark price=fair price
[2016-01-02 11:23:18] rapidtrades : fair price tends toward the middle of bid/ask
[2016-01-02 11:24:58] rapidtrades : why is it used instead of market? ask bitmex :)
[2016-01-02 11:27:31] Chronuslll : Thanks!
[2016-01-02 11:32:51] rapidtrades : btw XBU uses market price
[2016-01-02 17:33:54] jung1 : hello gentlemans
[2016-01-02 17:39:17] tscha : moontime™
[2016-01-02 17:40:48] sleger : no
[2016-01-02 17:41:17] jung1 : yep, bitcoin is dead
[2016-01-02 17:49:44] laisee : dead, again
[2016-01-02 18:04:27] rotarydialer : I'm trying to get the marketmaker script working to play around with... i'm getting "ERROR - ws_thread - Handshake status 401"
[2016-01-02 18:04:46] rotarydialer : any reason for this? setup api key in the settings.py
[2016-01-02 18:05:42] STRML : Hey rotarydialer
[2016-01-02 18:05:52] STRML : I'm the CTO of BitMEX, I wrote those scripts.
[2016-01-02 18:06:00] rotarydialer : nice STRML!
[2016-01-02 18:06:10] STRML : First thing to check is to make sure you're using the right site - the marketmaker by default connects to Testnet.
[2016-01-02 18:06:19] STRML : Which I would highly recommend starting on, anyway
[2016-01-02 18:06:32] STRML : So if you're trading on Testnet, you need to have a Testnet account and a Testnet API Key
[2016-01-02 18:07:13] rotarydialer : so in need to change this line: BASE_URL = "https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/"
[2016-01-02 18:07:19] rotarydialer : ?
[2016-01-02 18:07:32] STRML : Well, did you mean to trade on the live site?
[2016-01-02 18:07:40] STRML : I wouldn't recommend doing that until you're really comfortable with the program.
[2016-01-02 18:07:43] rotarydialer : no, that is the default setting
[2016-01-02 18:08:08] STRML : Ah, you're right. It shouldn't be - that's my fault
[2016-01-02 18:08:16] STRML : Change it to https://testnet.bitmex.com/api/v1
[2016-01-02 18:08:28] STRML : And the contract to XBT24H or XBT7D
[2016-01-02 18:08:29] rotarydialer : just changed it, now it's working :)
[2016-01-02 18:08:33] STRML : Great :)
[2016-01-02 21:46:51] drizzyjoe : hey can anyone here sell me some bitcoins?
[2016-01-02 21:47:36] tscha : drizzyjoe: how do you wanna pay?
[2016-01-02 21:47:47] drizzyjoe : tscha: do u have a venmo?
[2016-01-02 21:48:34] Yepachuchu : don't people chargeback scam on venmo?
[2016-01-02 21:48:38] tscha : drizzyjoe: nope. does this allow chargebacks? if yes, it is not sufficient
[2016-01-02 21:49:08] drizzyjoe : Yepachuchu: with credit cards... im using my bank
[2016-01-02 21:49:20] tscha : just buy some at an exchange?
[2016-01-02 21:49:41] Yepachuchu : if you're using your bank, then use circle or quickbit then
[2016-01-02 21:49:58] drizzyjoe : Yepachuchu: limit reached
[2016-01-02 21:51:06] Yepachuchu : localbitcoins/quickbit both let you buy by cash deposit at someone else's bank
[2016-01-02 22:10:19] tscha : big volume today <.<
[2016-01-02 22:10:39] BitMEX_Sam : It's quiet... too quiet.
[2016-01-02 22:10:55] BitMEX_Sam : Even Finex is down to 7k coins today
[2016-01-02 22:11:14] drizzyjoe : up or down? i wanna see this baby back at $400
[2016-01-02 22:13:52] HowDoge : would not be surprised, the euro pair has been selling off all day
[2016-01-02 22:32:34] tscha : BitMEX_Sam: btw, what's bitmex' opinion on the blocksize issue? have never heard arthur or someone mention anything
[2016-01-02 22:32:56] BitMEX_Sam : tscha: We try to stay out of it, it's too emotionally charged
[2016-01-02 23:06:09] tscha : BitMEX_Sam: going to screenshot your quote, post it to /r/btc under "BitMEX doesn't explicitly agree with blocksize increase, thus supporting Core-Dev censorship... bribed by blockstream?"
[2016-01-02 23:06:27] BitMEX_Sam : Ahaha... **that** is why
[2016-01-02 23:06:33] tscha : :D
[2016-01-03 01:24:10] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 437 @ 433.20
[2016-01-03 01:24:40] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 2640 @ 434.48
[2016-01-03 01:25:33] HowDoge : down
[2016-01-03 02:10:33] rapidtrades : up or down?
[2016-01-03 02:12:27] rapidtrades : faking finex r*aping my CPU
[2016-01-03 02:17:43] Chronuslll : and some more panic sells
[2016-01-03 02:18:39] rapidtrades : PANIK
[2016-01-03 02:18:42] rapidtrades : SELL YO KIDS
[2016-01-03 02:18:45] rapidtrades : SELL YO WIFE
[2016-01-03 02:20:32] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 700 @ 431.34
[2016-01-03 05:04:24] gouda : i see what you did there with that bidwall
[2016-01-03 05:04:26] gouda : :D
[2016-01-03 05:50:59] ethexio : Whee
[2016-01-03 06:04:00] Chronuslll : Such chop
[2016-01-03 08:43:17] rapidtrades : index so high
[2016-01-03 09:34:52] tscha : why do people want to buy 1.20 above index 2.5 hours before settlement on a super-flat market?
[2016-01-03 09:54:36] gustavo7 : AFAIK shorts can close with lower fees
[2016-01-03 09:55:23] tscha : gustavo7: wut?
[2016-01-03 09:56:22] gustavo7 : longs too
[2016-01-03 09:59:43] gustavo7 : maker fee -0.025 vs settlement 0.05
[2016-01-03 10:00:39] tscha : that has nothing to do with shorts or longs
[2016-01-03 10:01:10] tscha : it just means that if you close a position before settlement, you 1) don't pay settlement fees and 2) collect maker rebate
[2016-01-03 10:01:29] tscha : (under the assumption that you close the position with a maker)
[2016-01-03 10:05:49] tscha : and it still doesn't justify buying 1.25 above index price
[2016-01-03 10:11:52] gustavo7 : Welle i just locked my Profit today
[2016-01-03 10:14:22] gustavo7 : last to days it trended against my positIon before settlement
[2016-01-03 10:16:16] tscha : so because the market went against your position before settlement the last two days, you assumed it will do so again today and closed the position?
[2016-01-03 10:16:58] gustavo7 : This Phone dictionary is killing me
[2016-01-03 10:17:15] gustavo7 : Exactly
[2016-01-03 10:20:31] tscha : reminds me of my ex-girlfriend who thought that the probability of getting dealt a specific poker hand depended on the hands she was dealt before
[2016-01-03 10:21:30] Yepachuchu : well, if you dont reshuffle the deck/add a new one, that analogy is actually different from expecting a differing dice roll after a previous
[2016-01-03 10:21:52] Yepachuchu : now if she expected a different die reoll result after multiple, she is missing something
[2016-01-03 10:22:48] tscha : you always shuffle the deck after a hand is finished in poker