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[2015-12-18 00:52:12] TschavaTschigger : finex has ~15ms
[2015-12-18 00:53:57] TschavaTschigger : oh, kraken, they are also there :D
[2015-12-18 01:16:56] messiaen8844 : Very tight bands. Traders awaiting OKC settlement?
[2015-12-18 01:17:54] habibi : yep
[2015-12-18 01:20:25] messiaen8844 : Triangle almost over.. A few more hours
[2015-12-18 01:20:52] TschavaTschigger : oh, the triangle guy is back
[2015-12-18 01:21:09] TschavaTschigger : geometry-arbitrage ftw
[2015-12-18 01:21:56] habibi : TschavaTschigger: it can be even moon phases
[2015-12-18 01:22:21] habibi : as long people follow even the stupidest ideas
[2015-12-18 01:22:29] habibi : as long it can move on that
[2015-12-18 01:23:23] lockhedge : the more stupid/random the better
[2015-12-18 01:23:29] TschavaTschigger : btw, I check moon calendar, next fullmoon = 25th december
[2015-12-18 01:23:39] TschavaTschigger : everybody long at christmas
[2015-12-18 01:23:50] habibi : only if rapid go short
[2015-12-18 01:25:11] habibi : what if at all of these bull ralies rapid was the only one shorting so we all made money only coz of him?
[2015-12-18 01:25:58] TschavaTschigger : he is trading volumes of 1-2 btc, you can't make money out of that
[2015-12-18 01:26:10] TschavaTschigger : and with volume I mean order value
[2015-12-18 01:26:14] habibi : then we should consider him as a santa claus, guy who played dumb only so we didnt find it out. true altruist
[2015-12-18 01:26:26] habibi : yea, i know. just trolling a bit.
[2015-12-18 01:26:59] j8 : i shorted the daily most of the bull rally days, you guys made lots off me. my profits were on the longer futures
[2015-12-18 01:28:04] TschavaTschigger : i'll start trading 7D tomorrow
[2015-12-18 01:30:19] j8 : a lot of the time it's a good buy, when we go bull and the premium on the daily is 4 dollars+
[2015-12-18 01:32:46] habibi : realised pln is without fees?
[2015-12-18 01:33:17] j8 : i think it includes fees
[2015-12-18 01:34:01] TschavaTschigger : without. when you open position it's added (maker) or deducted (taker) immediately from your account
[2015-12-18 01:34:15] TschavaTschigger : when the position is open, it's obviously not included since system doesn't know if you will close by maker or taker
[2015-12-18 01:34:27] TschavaTschigger : oh
[2015-12-18 01:34:36] TschavaTschigger : REALISED pnl lol
[2015-12-18 01:34:39] j8 : yeah it includes all the fees that have been realised
[2015-12-18 01:40:59] BitMEX_Arthur : Should we list XBTM16 when XBTZ15 expires
[2015-12-18 01:41:07] BitMEX_Arthur : want to gauge demand for long dateds
[2015-12-18 01:44:01] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Arthur: yeah, why not? any arguments against listing? better have low volume than no volume
[2015-12-18 01:45:14] BitMEX_Arthur : We don't want to spread liq too thin
[2015-12-18 01:51:58] Swedishnut : Think Star Wars will mention Bitcoin?
[2015-12-18 01:52:15] messiaen8844 : TschavaTschigger: what do you have against triangles :) ?
[2015-12-18 02:06:01] TschavaTschigger : messiaen8844: I disrespect all kinds of geometric indicators
[2015-12-18 02:06:11] TschavaTschigger : going to bed, cya tomorrow and happy trading
[2015-12-18 02:37:50] messiaen8844 : TschavaTschigger: any support/resistance can be charted as a rectangle. Can't escape the geometry :)
[2015-12-18 02:44:29] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 500 @ 459.20
[2015-12-18 02:53:49] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 4000 @ 459.68
[2015-12-18 02:55:48] irbbqu : 7d cheaper guys..
[2015-12-18 02:55:59] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 1252 @ 459.76
[2015-12-18 02:56:49] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 763 @ 460.31
[2015-12-18 03:10:29] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 250 @ 457.39
[2015-12-18 03:26:02] micmix : BitMEX_Arthur: I like longer contracts. XBTZ15 and XBTH16 are the only ones I trade manually. Liquidity is a problem of course but having different time frames gives you more options.
[2015-12-18 03:27:32] BitMEX_Sam : Hoping that as the platform grows, those contracts will become more viable to trade.
[2015-12-18 03:32:07] laisee : 2nd'ing micmix, I like long-dated instruments over day-trading prodycts like X24H.
[2015-12-18 03:36:07] laisee : perhaps you could offer a basket product containing variety of instruments weighted according to time preference? This would be useful for companies with constant Bitcoin exposure that don't want to be actively trading in/out of specific contracts.
[2015-12-18 05:34:35] cryptostephen : Hey Guys!
[2015-12-18 05:48:02] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 217 @ 461.95
[2015-12-18 05:48:02] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 40 @ 460.92
[2015-12-18 05:48:37] zanza : `XBTM16` or Riot
[2015-12-18 05:50:21] zanza : spike boys
[2015-12-18 06:01:22] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 580 @ 462.56
[2015-12-18 06:22:01] zanza : the concept of having far off expiration date futures is good, especially for type of "hedging"
[2015-12-18 06:22:28] zanza : yes, the liquidity is low but hopefully it rises
[2015-12-18 06:23:05] irbbqu : below da index lel
[2015-12-18 06:24:20] rapidtrades : zanza: hedging only works when there is no clawback
[2015-12-18 06:24:34] zanza : not exactly
[2015-12-18 06:24:47] rapidtrades : yeah exactly
[2015-12-18 06:25:11] rapidtrades : you can experience severe losses if u get caught in a clawback
[2015-12-18 06:25:24] zanza : so how do you hedge then ?
[2015-12-18 06:25:59] rapidtrades : you can't...still trying to find a fool-proof way
[2015-12-18 06:26:41] rapidtrades : I've been using quarterly okc so far but with the current rally going nuts it's a matter of time until claback hits me when we crash
[2015-12-18 06:27:38] rapidtrades : also they do the profit calc every Friday, so if prices crash from $478 where we at rgiht now, I'll pay the tax on all profits from that point onward and not from the opening of the trade
[2015-12-18 06:42:36] roymalmberg : this is really really cheap comared to index :)
[2015-12-18 06:42:43] roymalmberg : compared*
[2015-12-18 06:43:03] slacknation : roymalmberg: which one
[2015-12-18 06:43:12] roymalmberg : 24/7
[2015-12-18 06:43:34] slacknation : ? it's above index
[2015-12-18 06:44:06] roymalmberg : not on a relative basis
[2015-12-18 06:44:15] roymalmberg : I dont know where you look though
[2015-12-18 06:44:35] slacknation : wat's the relative right price?
[2015-12-18 06:45:23] roymalmberg : well I was just looking at tops etc, so while we have breakout in china for example here we are still below
[2015-12-18 06:45:27] slacknation : i'm just looking at the index price and bid/ask, where r u looking?
[2015-12-18 06:46:00] roymalmberg : people selling at 464 makes no sense to me, haha
[2015-12-18 06:46:03] slacknation : oh ok, the index does not have any china component
[2015-12-18 07:15:34] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 100 @ 462.25
[2015-12-18 07:58:29] podizzler3000 : ayeeeeeeeee
[2015-12-18 08:00:48] irbbqu : ali g aaaai
[2015-12-18 08:03:21] wurstgelee : damn
[2015-12-18 08:03:25] wurstgelee : 3 mins too late @ work
[2015-12-18 08:03:27] wurstgelee : ffs
[2015-12-18 08:04:04] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 3444 @ 465.83
[2015-12-18 08:04:21] wurstgelee : but in time for tactical fomo ;)
[2015-12-18 08:05:07] wurstgelee : wow
[2015-12-18 08:05:12] wurstgelee : 489 okc weeklies
[2015-12-18 08:11:04] cataquil : alot of time premium out of dec future
[2015-12-18 08:11:18] cataquil : hope march comes down a bit when dec expires
[2015-12-18 08:11:31] cataquil : march future has tons of time premium
[2015-12-18 08:11:38] wurstgelee : march has expected halvening pump calculated in probably
[2015-12-18 08:11:46] cataquil : built into price
[2015-12-18 08:11:59] cataquil : making it a bit hard to swallow
[2015-12-18 08:12:18] cataquil : so far 7d for me has is the best in this regard
[2015-12-18 08:12:18] wurstgelee : lol, aaaand back down
[2015-12-18 08:12:31] Teddy76 : that dump oO
[2015-12-18 08:12:35] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 43 @ 449.59
[2015-12-18 08:12:35] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 3000 @ 452.67
[2015-12-18 08:12:35] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 5772 @ 461.22
[2015-12-18 08:12:35] REKT : Next stop - goblin town
[2015-12-18 08:12:35] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 1000 @ 452.43
[2015-12-18 08:12:35] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 3426 @ 451.42
[2015-12-18 08:12:37] cataquil : so I can swing trade without all those dam settlements
[2015-12-18 08:12:39] Teddy76 : OMG
[2015-12-18 08:13:25] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 7576 @ 453.31
[2015-12-18 08:16:15] habibi : aamaazing
[2015-12-18 08:16:19] wurstgelee : haha yes
[2015-12-18 08:16:49] wurstgelee : crazy shit
[2015-12-18 08:17:10] habibi : love panic
[2015-12-18 08:18:07] wurstgelee : maybe over
[2015-12-18 08:18:17] wurstgelee : maybe not
[2015-12-18 08:19:04] billyboy402 : guys what up with my charts , it keep changing from monthly too weekely
[2015-12-18 08:19:07] wurstgelee : for now it is unless 2nd wave
[2015-12-18 08:20:31] rapidtrades : billyboy402: I had the same glitch, can support investigate? refresh for now
[2015-12-18 08:21:17] billyboy402 : rapidtrades: it very strange
[2015-12-18 08:21:53] billyboy402 : .FYI 25 th dec @ 484 .... and Ok is at 467 nice time to short here and buy there for $20 spread
[2015-12-18 08:23:27] rapidtrades : good luck finding smone to pay 484
[2015-12-18 08:23:56] rapidtrades : then again this is FOMO country so...
[2015-12-18 08:26:24] wurstgelee : such discount
[2015-12-18 08:26:29] wurstgelee : afraid? :p
[2015-12-18 08:27:00] wurstgelee : back to earlier levels and sidelines probably
[2015-12-18 08:27:06] wurstgelee : same as with FOMC announcement
[2015-12-18 08:27:22] j8 : classic settlement fakeout
[2015-12-18 08:28:20] wurstgelee : did wipe a few positions probably so successfull i guess ;)
[2015-12-18 08:31:07] billyboy402 : just remeber that 25th dec = the weekly on ok . and here . but lucky they use 2 hour index ,
[2015-12-18 08:32:51] wurstgelee : phew
[2015-12-18 08:32:56] wurstgelee : break even
[2015-12-18 08:32:58] wurstgelee : ;)
[2015-12-18 08:33:01] wurstgelee : + even
[2015-12-18 08:35:44] messiaen8844 : https://www.tradingview.com/x/OlcDUMU3/
[2015-12-18 08:36:15] laisee : free Xmas gift from Okc/Bitmex?
[2015-12-18 08:39:34] wurstgelee : maybe. i did almost fuck myself tho
[2015-12-18 08:39:53] j8 : lol, best text substitution
[2015-12-18 08:39:58] wurstgelee : btfd saved my ass
[2015-12-18 08:40:01] wurstgelee : yep :)
[2015-12-18 08:41:34] j8 : well, it keeps dumping from this level, but they're getting weaker
[2015-12-18 08:42:35] wurstgelee : yep, closed for now
[2015-12-18 08:42:44] wurstgelee : enough adrenaline for early morning
[2015-12-18 08:43:05] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 3101 @ 457.69
[2015-12-18 08:46:44] j8 : yeah, i woke up from a nap for okc settlement, now i have to decide if i stay up until bitmex settlement... middle of the night for me
[2015-12-18 08:47:49] wurstgelee : 3+ hours sleep
[2015-12-18 08:47:51] wurstgelee : i would chose that
[2015-12-18 08:47:52] wurstgelee : ;)
[2015-12-18 08:48:36] TschavaTschigger : j8: go to bed
[2015-12-18 08:49:04] j8 : lol, i just got up though.
[2015-12-18 08:51:02] j8 : glad i was awake for the only thing that happened today
[2015-12-18 08:54:31] messiaen8844 : j8: i put an alarm 30m before the chip settlement
[2015-12-18 08:54:41] j8 : yeah same
[2015-12-18 08:55:40] messiaen8844 : Watching 3060
[2015-12-18 09:10:24] chrisxbt : If you taker both ways how much spread do you need to profit?
[2015-12-18 09:11:58] TschavaTschigger : -0.7 lol
[2015-12-18 09:12:07] ethexio : whee
[2015-12-18 09:37:22] zanza : TschavaTschigger: nice
[2015-12-18 09:38:51] justinlooking : that chart bug is weird, i have it too
[2015-12-18 09:39:28] TschavaTschigger : ?
[2015-12-18 09:40:58] j8 : me too, it's very annoying
[2015-12-18 09:42:10] j8 : and i think it causes rate limiting. the site is DOSing itself
[2015-12-18 09:43:28] zanza : I think they should increase the time frame for submitting orders
[2015-12-18 09:43:38] zanza : to like 3-5 seconds each
[2015-12-18 09:44:45] j8 : that would be awful
[2015-12-18 09:44:57] Teddy76 : tips : access chart directly from tradingview (XBT1D for Daily)
[2015-12-18 09:51:44] TschavaTschigger : am I the only one not having problems with the chat?
[2015-12-18 09:52:02] TschavaTschigger : never had the slightest issue
[2015-12-18 09:52:25] messiaen8844 : TschavaTschigger: what kind of problems? Laggy chat?
[2015-12-18 09:52:35] j8 : the chart, not the chat
[2015-12-18 09:52:44] BitMEX_Arthur : Hi guys
[2015-12-18 09:52:48] BitMEX_Arthur : what exactly is happening
[2015-12-18 09:53:10] TschavaTschigger : j8: I have no clue, justinlooking just mentioned it and some other people too. For me, all is fine
[2015-12-18 09:53:13] j8 : hey arthur. the chart keeps reloading, spastically
[2015-12-18 09:53:19] TschavaTschigger : oh
[2015-12-18 09:53:42] zanza : j8: did you try refreshing browser?
[2015-12-18 09:54:01] zanza : and close all your pron downloads?
[2015-12-18 09:54:10] j8 : i refresh every couple minutes and it starts again.
[2015-12-18 09:54:28] BitMEX_Arthur : I'll flag this to Sam when he gets on
[2015-12-18 09:54:54] BitMEX_Arthur : What browser?
[2015-12-18 09:55:10] j8 : chrome on a mac
[2015-12-18 09:55:16] habibi : on every
[2015-12-18 09:55:18] BitMEX_Arthur : Thanks
[2015-12-18 09:55:25] habibi : chrome/ff/vivaldi
[2015-12-18 09:55:33] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Arthur: same on firefox
[2015-12-18 09:55:45] justinlooking : chrome 47 win7 and chromium-browser 36 on debian 8
[2015-12-18 09:57:32] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Arthur: also hourly chart seems messed up? it shows the drop that happened in the previous hour during the current candle
[2015-12-18 09:58:11] justinlooking : good spot rapid... that's odd
[2015-12-18 09:58:24] justinlooking : on a 30 min, it was 4 candles ago, but 60 min is current candle
[2015-12-18 09:58:41] SnackyCoins : fwiw i am also having chart issues, especially when switching contracts
[2015-12-18 09:58:49] SnackyCoins : chromium/linux
[2015-12-18 09:59:09] SnackyCoins : refreshing fixes it but it happens again anyway
[2015-12-18 10:00:03] justinlooking : ^agreed, think it's changing contracts that starts the spurious chart update loop off
[2015-12-18 10:00:28] j8 : mhmm, it can't decide if it's on 24H or 7D
[2015-12-18 10:00:32] zanza : try switching to one of the default settings at the bottom 1m/5d
[2015-12-18 10:01:02] zanza : i see, I think its fetching data slowly
[2015-12-18 10:01:14] zanza : so while it refreshes it glitches
[2015-12-18 10:01:29] justinlooking : j8, if switch to Z and H as well, u can get it to loop all 4 charts
[2015-12-18 10:01:34] zanza : does it happen on trading view website ?
[2015-12-18 10:08:03] j8 : no, tradingview works fine
[2015-12-18 10:09:15] Teddy76 : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/?symbol=BITMEX:XBT1D
[2015-12-18 10:09:31] TschavaTschigger : justinlooking: quite possible that I got -pnl today :(
[2015-12-18 10:12:52] TschavaTschigger : these close-spreads hedge bots make marketmaking less profitable and shift the incentive to doing more takers
[2015-12-18 10:16:30] rapidtrades : *single tear
[2015-12-18 10:17:18] zanza : TschavaTschigger: u doen for ?
[2015-12-18 10:18:17] TschavaTschigger : zanza: "u doen for"? :D sry no native speaker here.. what do you mean?
[2015-12-18 10:25:58] justinlooking : TschavaTschigger: :( shit sorry to hear that
[2015-12-18 10:26:06] justinlooking : hope is only small loss
[2015-12-18 10:26:51] TschavaTschigger : justinlooking: pretty much breakeven atm, depends on last minutes :D
[2015-12-18 10:27:11] justinlooking : ahhh well if your worst days are scratches i think you'll be fine!
[2015-12-18 10:27:35] justinlooking : and assume zanza typod "done for" which means finished
[2015-12-18 10:40:47] wurstgelee : unless it was an abbreviation for "doener" which would be kebab
[2015-12-18 10:40:54] wurstgelee : =)
[2015-12-18 10:47:11] rapidtrades : hey any actual trading platforms for bitcoin? like mt4 level
[2015-12-18 10:47:31] rapidtrades : this webby shit is just too slow when markets move
[2015-12-18 10:52:03] wurstgelee : you could use the bot youre coding
[2015-12-18 10:52:19] wurstgelee : add the ability to execute manua trades
[2015-12-18 10:52:21] wurstgelee : *l
[2015-12-18 10:53:03] wurstgelee : futures still climing up, steadily
[2015-12-18 10:53:07] wurstgelee : until they dont ofc
[2015-12-18 10:53:12] TschavaTschigger : or code a trading platform like mt4 for cryptocurrencies and sell it @rapidtrades
[2015-12-18 10:53:21] wurstgelee : yep =)
[2015-12-18 10:54:08] TschavaTschigger : just don't forget to finish the python tutorial before that I linked you
[2015-12-18 11:40:55] laisee : rapidtrades: > you want fast, maybe look at adding support for Bitmex to Tribeca(https://github.com/michaelgrosner/tribeca)
[2015-12-18 11:57:34] rapidtrades : okc on acid atm
[2015-12-18 11:58:01] j8 : how so
[2015-12-18 11:58:17] rapidtrades : $5 premium
[2015-12-18 11:58:39] habibi : 5$?
[2015-12-18 11:58:40] habibi : wheere
[2015-12-18 11:58:45] rapidtrades : spot
[2015-12-18 11:58:49] habibi : eh
[2015-12-18 11:58:59] habibi : no premium to the settle price
[2015-12-18 11:59:12] j8 : oh okc usd spot.
[2015-12-18 11:59:27] j8 : it's weird like that
[2015-12-18 11:59:46] laisee : post settlement ... everyone wants to bloc their profits on hookers, blow and more okc futures.
[2015-12-18 11:59:58] laisee : ^wants to blow
[2015-12-18 12:12:18] rapidtrades : already down to $3..still more profit to be had
[2015-12-18 12:12:57] laisee : did u short?
[2015-12-18 12:14:53] habibi : thats quite good sign
[2015-12-18 12:15:06] habibi : rapid has new money to invest ==// to loose here
[2015-12-18 12:15:17] laisee : we have room full of traders here waiting for that signal.
[2015-12-18 12:15:29] habibi : not only here
[2015-12-18 12:15:35] habibi : china is waiting for that signal
[2015-12-18 12:15:35] laisee : imagine Boler Room.
[2015-12-18 12:15:44] laisee : Boiler Room
[2015-12-18 12:17:39] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 1000 @ 466.29
[2015-12-18 12:19:09] REKT : Liquidated short on XBTH16: Buy 1200 @ 539.95
[2015-12-18 12:20:03] cataquil : always spike at rollover
[2015-12-18 12:20:08] laisee : yikes. shorting H16
[2015-12-18 12:20:31] laisee : courageous decision.
[2015-12-18 12:29:30] j8 : that must be the old one that still hasn't filled
[2015-12-18 12:30:04] j8 : oh.. gone now
[2015-12-18 12:38:28] nickhnt : 1 week to december settlement :)
[2015-12-18 12:44:54] cataquil : what is CashRebalance?
[2015-12-18 12:46:51] j8 : cataquil: contracts that don't settle rebalance weekly, your position stays open but your unrealised pnl is realised at the mark price
[2015-12-18 12:48:10] j8 : so you don't have to wait 3-6 months to withdraw profits.
[2015-12-18 12:48:38] cataquil : oh right. yeah thanks I did know that...I just am trying to work out how DPE is working for me
[2015-12-18 12:49:06] sleger : it is working the same way than for anyone else
[2015-12-18 12:49:11] j8 : there was no DPE on this settlement.
[2015-12-18 12:49:46] cataquil : yep, pretty flat the past 2 days. but going thru my trade history looking at the past saturday
[2015-12-18 12:50:33] cataquil : I see if I go to https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2015-12-18 12:50:50] cataquil : the comm value there is different than the value in the CSV download
[2015-12-18 12:51:11] BitMEX_Wally : Due to display rounding?
[2015-12-18 12:51:12] cataquil : -0.0002 XBT is actually -11625
[2015-12-18 12:51:27] BitMEX_Wally : 0.0001162 XBT
[2015-12-18 12:51:33] sleger : satoshis vs btc
[2015-12-18 12:51:36] cataquil : so the value in the spreadsheet is the actual
[2015-12-18 12:51:40] BitMEX_Wally : Ahh, I think we round up to avoid rounding down to 0
[2015-12-18 12:55:44] cataquil : so you could all by kXBT or 10,000 satoshi
[2015-12-18 13:17:17] smaessen : Hi all
[2015-12-18 13:20:18] smaessen : Is there an option to get OHLC data etc trough the API? I dont want to work with price data from a different exchange
[2015-12-18 13:22:06] smaessen : and it still cant register because i dont receive anconfirmation email (not in spam)
[2015-12-18 13:30:45] TheRealJohnGalt : smaessen: I don't think bitmex emails work for many domains.
[2015-12-18 13:31:06] smaessen : TheRealJohnGalt: to bad since i cant register now :(
[2015-12-18 13:31:38] TheRealJohnGalt : idk, I've just had issues with it in the past (with a sigaint email) and had to choose a different email. But I'm not support :)
[2015-12-18 13:32:00] smaessen : i’ve send a support ticket ,lets see what happens :) ty
[2015-12-18 13:35:56] BitMEX_Wally : smaessen: You can get OHLC data from our API without logging in
[2015-12-18 13:36:53] BitMEX_Wally : smaessen: https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/trade/bucketed?binSize=1h&symbol=XBT24H&count=100&start=0
[2015-12-18 13:37:41] BitMEX_Wally : Check out the parameters like startTime and endTime here: https://www.bitmex.com/api/explorer/#!/Trade/Trade_getBucketed
[2015-12-18 16:58:14] REKT : Liquidated short on XBTH16: Buy 50 @ 566.50
[2015-12-18 17:09:04] TschavaTschigger : hey, is there any site that shows the past finex trades with information about the trade direction (bid getting hit or ask getting hit)?
[2015-12-18 17:10:17] BitMEX_Sam : BFXData seems to have the info but I don't know how much historical data you can get.
[2015-12-18 17:11:55] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Sam: sweet, exactly what I was looking for, thanks. only need the recent ones for now.
[2015-12-18 17:12:08] BitMEX_Sam : Great
[2015-12-18 17:12:51] BitMEX_Wally : TschavaTschigger: We have history going back a year at least, so let us know if we can help
[2015-12-18 17:13:44] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Wally: uh, that would be fantastic. have to first get some other things done, but I will likely come back for that offer.
[2015-12-18 17:18:34] BitMEX_Wally : Sure, I have raw trades like this: `"[{"timestamp":"2015-12-18D17:17:59.000000000","symbol":"BTCUSD","side":"Buy","size":3,"price":459.99,"trdMatchID":14376213,"logged":"2015-12-18D17:18:10.083125000"}, {"timestamp":"2015-12-18D17:17:59.000000000","symbol":"BTCUSD","side":"Buy","size":0.5,"price":460,"trdMatchID":14376215,"logged":"2015-12-18D17:18:10.083125000"}]"`
[2015-12-18 17:22:06] TschavaTschigger : fantastic. will play around with some machine learning algos after christmas, so this data would be beautiful to toy. will get back to you then.
[2015-12-18 17:40:07] Swedishnut : S&P @ 2017 youch and looks like it will keep falling
[2015-12-18 17:47:10] TschavaTschigger : Swedishnut: meh... don't agree with him. though his statement that we shouldn't rely on historical metrics is true imho.
[2015-12-18 18:23:44] zanza : i wasn't brave enough to short at 2070
[2015-12-18 18:23:52] zanza : now i sadly watch it drop
[2015-12-18 18:35:09] Scottv53 : BitMEX_Sam: is there quick way to lookup the time premium of the XBT7D?
[2015-12-18 18:38:33] zanza : "Full Details" ?
[2015-12-18 19:09:54] AudibleScience : zanza: "short at 2070"... man, we haven't been there for a while! lol
[2015-12-18 19:13:48] Swedishnut : looks like a little break-out 3060
[2015-12-18 19:15:15] AudibleScience : yeah small so far though :-(
[2015-12-18 19:16:08] AudibleScience : 30 day btc vol index down to 3.18%...
[2015-12-18 19:16:35] BitMEX_Sam : Calm before the storm, I'm sure we'll get another burst of volatility soon.
[2015-12-18 19:16:47] wurstgelee : btc showing signs of life currently
[2015-12-18 19:16:54] wurstgelee : so youre probably righgt
[2015-12-18 19:16:56] wurstgelee : right
[2015-12-18 19:17:40] TschavaTschigger : I'd pay 1btc straight just to have nice volatility for 3-4 days.. this is how much I want it
[2015-12-18 19:17:40] babybaby : we going to 500 ?
[2015-12-18 19:18:19] Swedishnut : :P 500 indeed but the question is it today? I couldn't say
[2015-12-18 19:18:44] AudibleScience : TschavaTschigger: agreed!
[2015-12-18 19:19:02] wurstgelee : https://cryptowat.ch/okcoin/btcusd-weekly-futures/3m
[2015-12-18 19:19:09] wurstgelee : move buttcoin, move! ;)
[2015-12-18 19:46:02] messiaen8844 : I'm out of 24h and 7D, feels good to sit on my last two week profits
[2015-12-18 19:51:02] TschavaTschigger : rule #1 never be out
[2015-12-18 19:51:46] messiaen8844 : I am waiting for movement
[2015-12-18 19:55:07] jesperf : rule #2 always be right
[2015-12-18 19:55:28] messiaen8844 : out of trade position, most of my BTC is HDLing
[2015-12-18 19:56:09] messiaen8844 : rule #3 never listen to trollboxes ;)
[2015-12-18 19:56:38] messiaen8844 : or any trading advice whatsoever that isn't your own
[2015-12-18 19:57:23] justinlooking : one of my favs is "no one ever went skint taking profits"
[2015-12-18 19:58:48] messiaen8844 : profits can be taken too early
[2015-12-18 20:02:55] TschavaTschigger : there is actually a phenomenon in behavorial finance called the "disposition effect", based on the effect that people irriationally tend to hold losing stocks, while selling winning ones to cash in profits
[2015-12-18 20:03:24] wurstgelee : lol, i have that i think
[2015-12-18 20:03:29] wurstgelee : at least to some degree
[2015-12-18 20:03:46] messiaen8844 : happens very often in BTC, people stop looking at 4h and daily and panic
[2015-12-18 20:05:28] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 500 @ 463.34
[2015-12-18 20:11:06] wurstgelee : well well, some action ;)
[2015-12-18 20:12:25] ethexio : whee
[2015-12-18 20:15:59] jesperf : and here comes the poop
[2015-12-18 20:16:46] jesperf : or not! i love when there is a fight
[2015-12-18 20:16:58] wurstgelee : ;)
[2015-12-18 20:19:22] TschavaTschigger : just logged back into my excite.com mail account after like 13 years
[2015-12-18 20:19:56] jesperf : was it exciting?
[2015-12-18 20:21:02] TschavaTschigger : it was empty. they locked it meanwhile I guess. just wondering how a business like that is still alive. I mean, look at their homepage: http://www.excite.com
[2015-12-18 20:21:18] TschavaTschigger : this is 1999 right here
[2015-12-18 20:22:11] messiaen8844 : 1997 h
[2015-12-18 20:22:18] messiaen8844 : here: http://www.yahoo.co.jp/
[2015-12-18 20:22:46] jesperf : most japanese websites are like that
[2015-12-18 20:22:57] messiaen8844 : why so ?
[2015-12-18 20:23:22] BitMEX_Sam : Some sites in asian countries have to cater to mostly IE users
[2015-12-18 20:23:33] BitMEX_Sam : Such as those in South Korea.
[2015-12-18 20:24:13] jesperf : is bitmex IE6 compatible? ;)
[2015-12-18 20:24:31] SnackyCoins : Chrome/Mozilla not available in those places?
[2015-12-18 20:25:28] TschavaTschigger : 1) japanese and 2) still 10x better than excite... I mean look at this: http://video.excite.com/
[2015-12-18 20:26:16] TschavaTschigger : flash player haha. and look at the design :D unbelievable
[2015-12-18 20:26:18] rapidtrades : I'm excited
[2015-12-18 20:26:38] messiaen8844 : rapidtrades: about?
[2015-12-18 20:26:55] wurstgelee : hair growing in funny places probably
[2015-12-18 20:29:47] BitMEX_Sam : jesperf: Not even close. We just recently dropped some older browsers as well
[2015-12-18 20:30:11] BitMEX_Sam : It's more work than it's worth. Thankfully we deal with a more tech-savvy crowd than most, so we can afford to require modern browsers.
[2015-12-18 20:30:24] justinlooking : you getting anywhere with this chart bug Sam?
[2015-12-18 20:31:14] BitMEX_Sam : justinlooking: Yep, the fix is deploying right now
[2015-12-18 20:31:17] BitMEX_Sam : Will be live in 2-3 minutes.
[2015-12-18 20:31:23] justinlooking : spectacular :)
[2015-12-18 20:31:44] BitMEX_Sam : Sorry about that one. Was patching up some bad behavior inside the chart and ended up making it a little worse. Thanks for pointing it out
[2015-12-18 20:35:31] zanza : natural gas is getting #Rektasauraus
[2015-12-18 20:36:01] zanza : TschavaTschigger: thats me
[2015-12-18 20:43:17] BitMEX_Sam : justinlooking: Please refresh, chart is fixed.
[2015-12-18 20:43:38] justinlooking : cool tnx will give it a whirl
[2015-12-18 20:44:16] justinlooking : still broken :(
[2015-12-18 20:44:30] justinlooking : altho differently
[2015-12-18 20:44:42] BitMEX_Sam : You might need to do a hard refresh (hold shift while refreshing)
[2015-12-18 20:44:58] justinlooking : i did... u think im silly!
[2015-12-18 20:45:08] BitMEX_Sam : Just checking - have to ask.
[2015-12-18 20:45:32] justinlooking : i'll see if what i did is reproducible
[2015-12-18 20:46:21] BitMEX_Sam : What's the new issue?
[2015-12-18 20:48:34] justinlooking : i start on xbt24h, switch to xbu, switch back to xbt (changes to z15), switch back to xbt24h, chart loads, but within couple of secs the xbu chart is displayed again
[2015-12-18 20:54:45] rapidtrades : careful...the memory clogging is mostly gone now, don't bring it back :) @BitMEX_Sam
[2015-12-18 20:55:24] sleger : There are other things we thought we got rid of but they keep coming back ;)
[2015-12-18 20:56:15] BitMEX_Sam : justinlooking: Try clearing your cache - that was the exact issue I fixed, and I'm not able to get it to happen anymore.
[2015-12-18 20:56:45] messiaen8844 : @sleger: yes, those ridiculous premiums!!!!
[2015-12-18 20:56:49] justinlooking : will do
[2015-12-18 20:58:07] justinlooking : just discovered the reload button is right clickabable
[2015-12-18 20:59:42] jesperf : BitMEX_Sam: I'd understand if you didn't support IE at all :)
[2015-12-18 20:59:59] justinlooking : Sam: think u were right, "empty cache and hard reload" and can't reproduce it anymore
[2015-12-18 21:00:02] BitMEX_Sam : Thankfully, 10 and 11 aren't completely terrible, and Edge is actually a pretty good browser.
[2015-12-18 21:00:07] BitMEX_Sam : justinlooking: Great :)
[2015-12-18 21:01:07] jesperf : http://favoritememes.com/_nw/49/01592349.jpg
[2015-12-18 21:02:49] imapotato : is the 7D === Z15
[2015-12-18 21:03:08] sleger : no because 25 != 50
[2015-12-18 21:03:17] imapotato : what
[2015-12-18 21:03:32] kogroken : They have different max leverages
[2015-12-18 21:03:40] imapotato : mmmm
[2015-12-18 21:04:22] imapotato : I suppose that makes sense
[2015-12-18 21:04:27] sleger : but yes this week the difference between the 2 is kind of ridiculous
[2015-12-18 21:05:19] imapotato : Thanks for the info
[2015-12-18 21:09:44] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Sam: is there a way to hide current orders from the chart?
[2015-12-18 21:09:58] BitMEX_Sam : Not at this time, I can make it into a user preference though.
[2015-12-18 21:12:24] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Sam: would be cool :)
[2015-12-18 21:13:12] justinlooking : i see they are draggable
[2015-12-18 21:13:42] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah. You can move them out of the way, but they'll move back if modified.
[2015-12-18 21:14:40] BitMEX_Sam : I'll add the preference for you guys, and make them not jump if you place a new order or cancel an existing one.
[2015-12-18 21:14:45] justinlooking : initially i thought dragging would update the price bceause the label on the right changed
[2015-12-18 21:15:16] TschavaTschigger : justinlooking: lol.. initially I thought hitting the "x" would remove them from chart only
[2015-12-18 21:15:24] justinlooking : lol
[2015-12-18 21:18:09] justinlooking : sam: think toggle would be more useful on the chart is possible/feasible
[2015-12-18 21:18:56] justinlooking : *if is
[2015-12-18 21:19:32] BitMEX_Sam : I agree that it belongs there - I'll see what I can do.
[2015-12-18 21:23:39] TschavaTschigger : just tried to make an order on 24H and 7D at exactly the same time - error, duplicate clOrdID :D
[2015-12-18 21:24:15] TschavaTschigger : need to multiply one of those by 2 I guess :D
[2015-12-18 21:34:39] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1100 @ 462.32
[2015-12-18 21:35:44] macios15 : we are at same price when china was 3060, legit
[2015-12-18 21:39:22] jesperf : oops
[2015-12-18 21:39:38] jesperf : i think my toilet flush is connected to this price thing
[2015-12-18 21:49:21] rapidtrades : CAN I SUBSCRIBE TO YOUR NEWSLETTER!!!
[2015-12-18 21:56:43] jesperf : I don't think so if you're yelling
[2015-12-18 22:02:19] sleger : his caps lock key has been broken for weeks and since he hasnt made profit yet he cant afford a new keyboard :((
[2015-12-18 22:07:48] TschavaTschigger : I find it quite disturbing that 70% of the 7D orderbook is controlled by one guy
[2015-12-18 22:08:30] sleger : how do you know ?
[2015-12-18 22:09:09] donkey : good question.. im curious to!
[2015-12-18 22:09:42] TschavaTschigger : when he restructeres his orders, the whole ask side disappears. first thought was that order placements depend on each other and triggers mass-replacement, but they seem to ignore mine, so....
[2015-12-18 22:10:06] donkey : intresting
[2015-12-18 22:12:52] Giovanni : Can anyone recommend resources to learn more about futures arbitrage ?
[2015-12-18 22:16:27] sleger : sell march @ 555 buy daily @ 463, wait, profit
[2015-12-18 22:21:05] sleger : oh and dont believe anything you read on the internet
[2015-12-18 22:23:59] justinlooking : or trullbuxes
[2015-12-18 22:26:55] zanza : https://blog.bitmex.com/tag/arbitrage/
[2015-12-18 23:26:32] BitMEX_Sam : justinlooking: You can now right click the chart and click "Disable Order Display"
[2015-12-18 23:27:24] justinlooking : show off :P
[2015-12-18 23:27:29] justinlooking : tyvm
[2015-12-18 23:35:46] jesperf : 1 week since the last big drop from 475 -> 402. any bets there will be another one?
[2015-12-18 23:38:36] macios15 : up spike is more possible
[2015-12-18 23:39:18] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Sam: cool, but the unrealized profit of the current open order is still here :(
[2015-12-18 23:39:34] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, the current Position
[2015-12-18 23:39:37] BitMEX_Sam : Would you like an option for that too?
[2015-12-18 23:39:58] TschavaTschigger : yes pls... I only want to have the chart on the chart :D
[2015-12-18 23:40:10] BitMEX_Sam : Sounds good. I'll add that too
[2015-12-18 23:40:16] TschavaTschigger : thanks sam
[2015-12-18 23:44:12] Swedishnut : wow green bar
[2015-12-19 00:18:19] BitMEX_Sam : TschavaTschigger: That option is available now on a refresh
[2015-12-19 00:19:02] TschavaTschigger : [b]yeayy[/b] finally a clean, nice chart! thanks
[2015-12-19 00:19:10] TschavaTschigger : looking really good now
[2015-12-19 00:20:21] TschavaTschigger : with positions/orders, it looks horrible design-wise, but maybe that's just a personal preference
[2015-12-19 00:20:42] TschavaTschigger : will enjoy my clean chart tomorrow, going to bed, cya
[2015-12-19 01:03:33] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 1600 @ 466.81
[2015-12-19 02:13:34] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 10 @ 463.42
[2015-12-19 02:28:52] JDUB99 : hi all got a question about unfilled order
[2015-12-19 02:29:34] JDUB99 : why is it that my 460.5 buy order only got filled for 2 out of 50 contracts, and i see that a buy order of 460 got filled with 8366 contracts
[2015-12-19 02:29:45] JDUB99 : how come it seems like my order was "passed up"
[2015-12-19 02:45:41] Tetsuo : You just got mexed up
[2015-12-19 03:09:25] JDUB99 : i think i figured it out...but its still odd
[2015-12-19 03:09:38] JDUB99 : looks like i put in my order incorrectly?
[2015-12-19 03:20:35] Giovanni : is @ sleger still here ?
[2015-12-19 03:24:47] Giovanni : or can someone explain the risk associated with selling XBTH16 and buying spot? IM trying to figure out what I'm missing
[2015-12-19 03:27:13] j8 : Giovanni: yeah, check out this blog post, it explains it well: https://blog.bitmex.com/cash-and-carry-arbitrage-with-bitmex-futures/
[2015-12-19 03:28:55] j8 : with inverse futures like `XBU` series and okc futures there's basically no risk
[2015-12-19 03:30:09] j8 : but quanto futures have a bigger upside in dollar terms
[2015-12-19 03:35:52] Giovanni : I've been reading the blogs and trying to figure it out. So essentially, when you short XBTH16 your rising margin will eat the profit ? But if you look at it without margin, on a one to one basis for example Selling one coin short in the future and buying one now doesn't leave room for risk?
[2015-12-19 03:37:06] j8 : if you sell one coin worth of `XBTH16` and the price goes up, your position will be short more than one coin
[2015-12-19 03:37:46] j8 : and you will start to lose more and more on your short
[2015-12-19 03:40:05] j8 : the value of the contracts depends on the price.
[2015-12-19 03:42:10] Giovanni : hm alright, so thats what I'm missing. But i thought the underlying currency of the quanto contracts were bitcoin ?
[2015-12-19 03:44:52] j8 : it works out so that your PNL in bitcoin is proportional to the change in price, but to do that the contracts have a value of 1000 satoshis * price
[2015-12-19 03:45:55] j8 : so if the price goes up 10% the contracts are worth 10% more bitcoin
[2015-12-19 03:46:19] j8 : but then the USD value is 1000 sats * price^2
[2015-12-19 03:46:58] j8 : so it's more like an 11% gain in USD
[2015-12-19 04:34:49] laisee : non-linear payback, as they say.
[2015-12-19 04:37:26] j8 : the best kind of payback
[2015-12-19 04:46:05] laisee : :-D
[2015-12-19 04:59:07] Giovanni : haha alright, i think i understand it more now. Just different than I expect it.
[2015-12-19 04:59:16] Giovanni : expected*
[2015-12-19 05:35:37] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 10 @ 465.71
[2015-12-19 06:33:46] kushkush : Does sell cost mean ill lose thst much if I close market?
[2015-12-19 06:35:33] TschavaTschigger : mornin guys
[2015-12-19 06:43:46] kushkush : Anyone tha knows?
[2015-12-19 06:46:08] laisee : close market means you take price in the market, so depends on how many contracts you sell and shape of order book.
[2015-12-19 06:46:28] TschavaTschigger : kushkush: hover with the mouse over it, you see the explanation
[2015-12-19 06:48:49] TschavaTschigger : it's just the margin required... initial margin + maintainance margin... read FAQ completely and to understand the system
[2015-12-19 07:29:29] rapidtrades : was the chart code changed again? getting that meomory clogging again
[2015-12-19 07:32:38] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 2000 @ 459.95
[2015-12-19 07:32:38] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1417 @ 460.15
[2015-12-19 07:45:25] podizzle3k : rapidtrades hows your connection bar
[2015-12-19 07:50:20] podizzle3k : i cant even find mine
[2015-12-19 07:50:20] podizzle3k : heh
[2015-12-19 07:50:29] TschavaTschigger : glad it's gone
[2015-12-19 07:50:41] podizzle3k : ermm ok
[2015-12-19 10:37:05] zanza : 3130 coming ?
[2015-12-19 10:37:13] zanza : good morning
[2015-12-19 10:38:43] cataquil : slow tape past few days
[2015-12-19 10:52:51] TschavaTschigger : seems that way, but if you compare it to mid-september, this is actually wild
[2015-12-19 10:57:10] ethexio : Ready.
[2015-12-19 10:58:22] ethexio : $7 spread?
[2015-12-19 11:07:25] cataquil : .3 btc
[2015-12-19 11:07:53] cataquil : thats $138
[2015-12-19 11:08:03] cataquil : err sorry
[2015-12-19 11:08:05] cataquil : duh
[2015-12-19 11:08:12] cataquil : is 30 cents doh
[2015-12-19 11:08:23] cataquil : there is liquidity
[2015-12-19 11:09:01] cataquil : Also I wonder why the rollover on the 24H is 12 noon GMT
[2015-12-19 11:09:08] cataquil : its best for the USA
[2015-12-19 11:09:39] cataquil : 7am EST can open a contract and swing trade it for a 24h time horizon
[2015-12-19 11:09:59] cataquil : but most of the volatility is at 1-4am GMT
[2015-12-19 11:10:03] cataquil : china open
[2015-12-19 11:10:27] cataquil : seems like a better roleover would be the traditional fx 5pm EST
[2015-12-19 11:10:33] cataquil : or a midnight GMT
[2015-12-19 11:14:14] TschavaTschigger : you just said yourself that that's the time with the most volatility
[2015-12-19 11:25:59] cataquil : well yeah, either 10pm gmt or midnight is fine
[2015-12-19 11:26:12] cataquil : as the volatility starts 60-90 minutes later
[2015-12-19 11:26:20] cataquil : hey hey
[2015-12-19 11:26:26] cataquil : a spike
[2015-12-19 11:28:08] cataquil : Is there anyway we can have an order on 24h that will not get cancelled at rollover?
[2015-12-19 11:28:44] TschavaTschigger : nope
[2015-12-19 11:37:47] j8 : there is a way, you can get that flag on your account if you ask.
[2015-12-19 11:43:38] cataquil : thanks j8
[2015-12-19 11:43:46] justinlooking : So is F16 coming before Friday?
[2015-12-19 11:44:00] cataquil : I know I could write a bot, but should be able to do it manually
[2015-12-19 11:44:30] SnackyCoins : it's dangerous because the fair basis changes
[2015-12-19 11:45:07] SnackyCoins : you go from 0t premium to 24h premium, whatever that is, and can jump $3 easy
[2015-12-19 11:45:25] SnackyCoins : maybe nothing but there's no way to know in advance