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[2015-12-17 22:35:36] BitMEX_Sam : Especially as they enter more speculative markets.
[2015-12-17 22:36:41] TschavaTschigger : yeah, valuation on tech startups is hard. worked on a valuation method with my finance prof for some weeks.
[2015-12-17 22:47:16] TschavaTschigger : for bitcoin firms, a real option approach comprising characteristics of btc (usage/acceptance in the future, blockchain politics) is definitely part of the equation. but for bitmex, also volatility/volume should be included
[2015-12-17 22:48:12] TschavaTschigger : well I'm just super-bored.. afk shower :P
[2015-12-17 22:53:22] wurstgelee : TschavaTschigger: bad timing maybe :p
[2015-12-17 22:53:24] wurstgelee : haha
[2015-12-17 23:09:46] TschavaTschigger : re... wow, no large movement while I was gone
[2015-12-17 23:09:55] TschavaTschigger : tried to provoke it, but the market seems to wait for me recently
[2015-12-17 23:10:04] wurstgelee : nope, looked like sth might happen tho, some action on okc futures
[2015-12-17 23:15:45] TschavaTschigger : really wondering about that 5k marketmaker bot. in certain situations, it just doesn't adapt the spread to the volatility, get's eaten up by market movement and then desperately tries to close with makers at unfavourable prices. doesn't seem profitable to me.
[2015-12-17 23:15:54] TschavaTschigger : maybe i'm wrong though
[2015-12-17 23:16:41] habibi : depends on time
[2015-12-17 23:16:51] habibi : now he do money
[2015-12-17 23:16:54] TschavaTschigger : yours?
[2015-12-17 23:17:06] habibi : nah
[2015-12-17 23:17:11] TschavaTschigger : of course not :D
[2015-12-17 23:19:52] TschavaTschigger : if open interest keeps decreasing we don't have to worry about settlement collusion at least :D
[2015-12-17 23:21:32] jesperf : gl guys, i value sleep more than money on nights like these
[2015-12-17 23:21:45] TschavaTschigger : jesperf: cya nn
[2015-12-17 23:23:29] micmix : TschavaTschigger: 5k bot can still be profitable with the right hedging strategy
[2015-12-17 23:23:43] TschavaTschigger : micmix: true
[2015-12-17 23:23:47] micmix : even if it loses some money here
[2015-12-17 23:25:04] TschavaTschigger : that's something I wanted to ask anyway... anybody here doing cash and carry arbitrage? except sledger
[2015-12-17 23:35:51] TschavaTschigger : meh, finally found one store that sells racing FPV drones for bitcoin... try to check out, get to 404 bitpay page.. support: "oh yeah, bitcoin payment not working atm, ooops"
[2015-12-17 23:58:55] TschavaTschigger : mooovement! finally
[2015-12-18 00:01:13] wurstgelee : what? where?
[2015-12-18 00:01:29] TschavaTschigger : look trade history
[2015-12-18 00:02:49] TschavaTschigger : well it's not much but better than nothing
[2015-12-18 00:03:19] TschavaTschigger : this monologue is epic btw. am I really the only one in here without a steady job?
[2015-12-18 00:03:25] wurstgelee : lol :D
[2015-12-18 00:03:34] wurstgelee : ok, it did move $3
[2015-12-18 00:03:45] wurstgelee : nah, more
[2015-12-18 00:04:02] habibi : ?
[2015-12-18 00:04:08] habibi : 10 dollars moved! lel
[2015-12-18 00:04:50] wurstgelee : 3.5?
[2015-12-18 00:07:06] habibi : http://scr.hu/9xvi/0gzot fair enought
[2015-12-18 00:08:00] wurstgelee : almost 2.5 ;)
[2015-12-18 00:08:20] habibi : yep, here u had more but still.. look at volume. absolutely no volume here
[2015-12-18 00:08:56] TschavaTschigger : well, we had wild two minutes
[2015-12-18 00:09:47] habibi : yep, almost lambo money
[2015-12-18 00:11:45] wurstgelee : half a matchbox lambo maybe
[2015-12-18 00:21:15] TschavaTschigger : gemini 24h volume 300 btc
[2015-12-18 00:22:11] TschavaTschigger : thats like 15% of what I am doing here :D
[2015-12-18 00:23:01] TschavaTschigger : but ok, not today :(
[2015-12-18 00:46:18] TschavaTschigger : I usually like cryptowat.ch, but their recent trades window is useless imho since they colored trades by increase/decrease instead of bid/ask getting hit
[2015-12-18 00:46:55] TschavaTschigger : the information is completely lost. no way to access it.
[2015-12-18 00:48:57] lockhedge : and you add a lot of latency, did some test in summer https://medium.com/@RobotFinance/why-latency-always-matters-if-you-are-trading-bitcoin-dbfd33016bbf#.dd2xy4t4h
[2015-12-18 00:49:52] TschavaTschigger : yeah I read that already ;) gj
[2015-12-18 00:51:00] lockhedge : :)
[2015-12-18 00:52:03] TschavaTschigger : you know any exchange that has less latency to bitmex than finex?
[2015-12-18 00:52:12] TschavaTschigger : finex has ~15ms
[2015-12-18 00:53:57] TschavaTschigger : oh, kraken, they are also there :D
[2015-12-18 01:16:56] messiaen8844 : Very tight bands. Traders awaiting OKC settlement?
[2015-12-18 01:17:54] habibi : yep
[2015-12-18 01:20:25] messiaen8844 : Triangle almost over.. A few more hours
[2015-12-18 01:20:52] TschavaTschigger : oh, the triangle guy is back
[2015-12-18 01:21:09] TschavaTschigger : geometry-arbitrage ftw
[2015-12-18 01:21:56] habibi : TschavaTschigger: it can be even moon phases
[2015-12-18 01:22:21] habibi : as long people follow even the stupidest ideas
[2015-12-18 01:22:29] habibi : as long it can move on that
[2015-12-18 01:23:23] lockhedge : the more stupid/random the better
[2015-12-18 01:23:29] TschavaTschigger : btw, I check moon calendar, next fullmoon = 25th december
[2015-12-18 01:23:39] TschavaTschigger : everybody long at christmas
[2015-12-18 01:23:50] habibi : only if rapid go short
[2015-12-18 01:25:11] habibi : what if at all of these bull ralies rapid was the only one shorting so we all made money only coz of him?
[2015-12-18 01:25:58] TschavaTschigger : he is trading volumes of 1-2 btc, you can't make money out of that
[2015-12-18 01:26:10] TschavaTschigger : and with volume I mean order value
[2015-12-18 01:26:14] habibi : then we should consider him as a santa claus, guy who played dumb only so we didnt find it out. true altruist
[2015-12-18 01:26:26] habibi : yea, i know. just trolling a bit.
[2015-12-18 01:26:59] j8 : i shorted the daily most of the bull rally days, you guys made lots off me. my profits were on the longer futures
[2015-12-18 01:28:04] TschavaTschigger : i'll start trading 7D tomorrow
[2015-12-18 01:30:19] j8 : a lot of the time it's a good buy, when we go bull and the premium on the daily is 4 dollars+
[2015-12-18 01:32:46] habibi : realised pln is without fees?
[2015-12-18 01:33:17] j8 : i think it includes fees
[2015-12-18 01:34:01] TschavaTschigger : without. when you open position it's added (maker) or deducted (taker) immediately from your account
[2015-12-18 01:34:15] TschavaTschigger : when the position is open, it's obviously not included since system doesn't know if you will close by maker or taker
[2015-12-18 01:34:27] TschavaTschigger : oh
[2015-12-18 01:34:36] TschavaTschigger : REALISED pnl lol
[2015-12-18 01:34:39] j8 : yeah it includes all the fees that have been realised
[2015-12-18 01:40:59] BitMEX_Arthur : Should we list XBTM16 when XBTZ15 expires
[2015-12-18 01:41:07] BitMEX_Arthur : want to gauge demand for long dateds
[2015-12-18 01:44:01] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Arthur: yeah, why not? any arguments against listing? better have low volume than no volume
[2015-12-18 01:45:14] BitMEX_Arthur : We don't want to spread liq too thin
[2015-12-18 01:51:58] Swedishnut : Think Star Wars will mention Bitcoin?
[2015-12-18 01:52:15] messiaen8844 : TschavaTschigger: what do you have against triangles :) ?
[2015-12-18 02:06:01] TschavaTschigger : messiaen8844: I disrespect all kinds of geometric indicators
[2015-12-18 02:06:11] TschavaTschigger : going to bed, cya tomorrow and happy trading
[2015-12-18 02:37:50] messiaen8844 : TschavaTschigger: any support/resistance can be charted as a rectangle. Can't escape the geometry :)
[2015-12-18 02:44:29] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 500 @ 459.20
[2015-12-18 02:53:49] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 4000 @ 459.68
[2015-12-18 02:55:48] irbbqu : 7d cheaper guys..
[2015-12-18 02:55:59] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 1252 @ 459.76
[2015-12-18 02:56:49] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 763 @ 460.31
[2015-12-18 03:10:29] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 250 @ 457.39
[2015-12-18 03:26:02] micmix : BitMEX_Arthur: I like longer contracts. XBTZ15 and XBTH16 are the only ones I trade manually. Liquidity is a problem of course but having different time frames gives you more options.
[2015-12-18 03:27:32] BitMEX_Sam : Hoping that as the platform grows, those contracts will become more viable to trade.
[2015-12-18 03:32:07] laisee : 2nd'ing micmix, I like long-dated instruments over day-trading prodycts like X24H.
[2015-12-18 03:36:07] laisee : perhaps you could offer a basket product containing variety of instruments weighted according to time preference? This would be useful for companies with constant Bitcoin exposure that don't want to be actively trading in/out of specific contracts.
[2015-12-18 05:34:35] cryptostephen : Hey Guys!
[2015-12-18 05:48:02] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 217 @ 461.95
[2015-12-18 05:48:02] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 40 @ 460.92
[2015-12-18 05:48:37] zanza : `XBTM16` or Riot
[2015-12-18 05:50:21] zanza : spike boys
[2015-12-18 06:01:22] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 580 @ 462.56
[2015-12-18 06:22:01] zanza : the concept of having far off expiration date futures is good, especially for type of "hedging"
[2015-12-18 06:22:28] zanza : yes, the liquidity is low but hopefully it rises
[2015-12-18 06:23:05] irbbqu : below da index lel
[2015-12-18 06:24:20] rapidtrades : zanza: hedging only works when there is no clawback
[2015-12-18 06:24:34] zanza : not exactly
[2015-12-18 06:24:47] rapidtrades : yeah exactly
[2015-12-18 06:25:11] rapidtrades : you can experience severe losses if u get caught in a clawback
[2015-12-18 06:25:24] zanza : so how do you hedge then ?
[2015-12-18 06:25:59] rapidtrades : you can't...still trying to find a fool-proof way
[2015-12-18 06:26:41] rapidtrades : I've been using quarterly okc so far but with the current rally going nuts it's a matter of time until claback hits me when we crash
[2015-12-18 06:27:38] rapidtrades : also they do the profit calc every Friday, so if prices crash from $478 where we at rgiht now, I'll pay the tax on all profits from that point onward and not from the opening of the trade
[2015-12-18 06:42:36] roymalmberg : this is really really cheap comared to index :)
[2015-12-18 06:42:43] roymalmberg : compared*
[2015-12-18 06:43:03] slacknation : roymalmberg: which one
[2015-12-18 06:43:12] roymalmberg : 24/7
[2015-12-18 06:43:34] slacknation : ? it's above index
[2015-12-18 06:44:06] roymalmberg : not on a relative basis
[2015-12-18 06:44:15] roymalmberg : I dont know where you look though
[2015-12-18 06:44:35] slacknation : wat's the relative right price?
[2015-12-18 06:45:23] roymalmberg : well I was just looking at tops etc, so while we have breakout in china for example here we are still below
[2015-12-18 06:45:27] slacknation : i'm just looking at the index price and bid/ask, where r u looking?
[2015-12-18 06:46:00] roymalmberg : people selling at 464 makes no sense to me, haha
[2015-12-18 06:46:03] slacknation : oh ok, the index does not have any china component
[2015-12-18 07:15:34] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 100 @ 462.25
[2015-12-18 07:58:29] podizzler3000 : ayeeeeeeeee
[2015-12-18 08:00:48] irbbqu : ali g aaaai
[2015-12-18 08:03:21] wurstgelee : damn
[2015-12-18 08:03:25] wurstgelee : 3 mins too late @ work
[2015-12-18 08:03:27] wurstgelee : ffs
[2015-12-18 08:04:04] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 3444 @ 465.83
[2015-12-18 08:04:21] wurstgelee : but in time for tactical fomo ;)
[2015-12-18 08:05:07] wurstgelee : wow
[2015-12-18 08:05:12] wurstgelee : 489 okc weeklies
[2015-12-18 08:11:04] cataquil : alot of time premium out of dec future
[2015-12-18 08:11:18] cataquil : hope march comes down a bit when dec expires
[2015-12-18 08:11:31] cataquil : march future has tons of time premium
[2015-12-18 08:11:38] wurstgelee : march has expected halvening pump calculated in probably
[2015-12-18 08:11:46] cataquil : built into price
[2015-12-18 08:11:59] cataquil : making it a bit hard to swallow
[2015-12-18 08:12:18] cataquil : so far 7d for me has is the best in this regard
[2015-12-18 08:12:18] wurstgelee : lol, aaaand back down
[2015-12-18 08:12:31] Teddy76 : that dump oO
[2015-12-18 08:12:35] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 43 @ 449.59
[2015-12-18 08:12:35] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 3000 @ 452.67
[2015-12-18 08:12:35] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 5772 @ 461.22
[2015-12-18 08:12:35] REKT : Next stop - goblin town
[2015-12-18 08:12:35] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 1000 @ 452.43
[2015-12-18 08:12:35] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 3426 @ 451.42
[2015-12-18 08:12:37] cataquil : so I can swing trade without all those dam settlements
[2015-12-18 08:12:39] Teddy76 : OMG
[2015-12-18 08:13:25] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 7576 @ 453.31
[2015-12-18 08:16:15] habibi : aamaazing
[2015-12-18 08:16:19] wurstgelee : haha yes
[2015-12-18 08:16:49] wurstgelee : crazy shit
[2015-12-18 08:17:10] habibi : love panic
[2015-12-18 08:18:07] wurstgelee : maybe over
[2015-12-18 08:18:17] wurstgelee : maybe not
[2015-12-18 08:19:04] billyboy402 : guys what up with my charts , it keep changing from monthly too weekely
[2015-12-18 08:19:07] wurstgelee : for now it is unless 2nd wave
[2015-12-18 08:20:31] rapidtrades : billyboy402: I had the same glitch, can support investigate? refresh for now
[2015-12-18 08:21:17] billyboy402 : rapidtrades: it very strange
[2015-12-18 08:21:53] billyboy402 : .FYI 25 th dec @ 484 .... and Ok is at 467 nice time to short here and buy there for $20 spread
[2015-12-18 08:23:27] rapidtrades : good luck finding smone to pay 484
[2015-12-18 08:23:56] rapidtrades : then again this is FOMO country so...
[2015-12-18 08:26:24] wurstgelee : such discount
[2015-12-18 08:26:29] wurstgelee : afraid? :p
[2015-12-18 08:27:00] wurstgelee : back to earlier levels and sidelines probably
[2015-12-18 08:27:06] wurstgelee : same as with FOMC announcement
[2015-12-18 08:27:22] j8 : classic settlement fakeout
[2015-12-18 08:28:20] wurstgelee : did wipe a few positions probably so successfull i guess ;)
[2015-12-18 08:31:07] billyboy402 : just remeber that 25th dec = the weekly on ok . and here . but lucky they use 2 hour index ,
[2015-12-18 08:32:51] wurstgelee : phew
[2015-12-18 08:32:56] wurstgelee : break even
[2015-12-18 08:32:58] wurstgelee : ;)
[2015-12-18 08:33:01] wurstgelee : + even
[2015-12-18 08:35:44] messiaen8844 : https://www.tradingview.com/x/OlcDUMU3/
[2015-12-18 08:36:15] laisee : free Xmas gift from Okc/Bitmex?
[2015-12-18 08:39:34] wurstgelee : maybe. i did almost fuck myself tho
[2015-12-18 08:39:53] j8 : lol, best text substitution
[2015-12-18 08:39:58] wurstgelee : btfd saved my ass
[2015-12-18 08:40:01] wurstgelee : yep :)
[2015-12-18 08:41:34] j8 : well, it keeps dumping from this level, but they're getting weaker
[2015-12-18 08:42:35] wurstgelee : yep, closed for now
[2015-12-18 08:42:44] wurstgelee : enough adrenaline for early morning
[2015-12-18 08:43:05] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 3101 @ 457.69
[2015-12-18 08:46:44] j8 : yeah, i woke up from a nap for okc settlement, now i have to decide if i stay up until bitmex settlement... middle of the night for me
[2015-12-18 08:47:49] wurstgelee : 3+ hours sleep
[2015-12-18 08:47:51] wurstgelee : i would chose that
[2015-12-18 08:47:52] wurstgelee : ;)
[2015-12-18 08:48:36] TschavaTschigger : j8: go to bed
[2015-12-18 08:49:04] j8 : lol, i just got up though.
[2015-12-18 08:51:02] j8 : glad i was awake for the only thing that happened today
[2015-12-18 08:54:31] messiaen8844 : j8: i put an alarm 30m before the chip settlement
[2015-12-18 08:54:41] j8 : yeah same
[2015-12-18 08:55:40] messiaen8844 : Watching 3060
[2015-12-18 09:10:24] chrisxbt : If you taker both ways how much spread do you need to profit?
[2015-12-18 09:11:58] TschavaTschigger : -0.7 lol
[2015-12-18 09:12:07] ethexio : whee
[2015-12-18 09:37:22] zanza : TschavaTschigger: nice
[2015-12-18 09:38:51] justinlooking : that chart bug is weird, i have it too
[2015-12-18 09:39:28] TschavaTschigger : ?
[2015-12-18 09:40:58] j8 : me too, it's very annoying
[2015-12-18 09:42:10] j8 : and i think it causes rate limiting. the site is DOSing itself
[2015-12-18 09:43:28] zanza : I think they should increase the time frame for submitting orders
[2015-12-18 09:43:38] zanza : to like 3-5 seconds each
[2015-12-18 09:44:45] j8 : that would be awful
[2015-12-18 09:44:57] Teddy76 : tips : access chart directly from tradingview (XBT1D for Daily)
[2015-12-18 09:51:44] TschavaTschigger : am I the only one not having problems with the chat?
[2015-12-18 09:52:02] TschavaTschigger : never had the slightest issue
[2015-12-18 09:52:25] messiaen8844 : TschavaTschigger: what kind of problems? Laggy chat?
[2015-12-18 09:52:35] j8 : the chart, not the chat
[2015-12-18 09:52:44] BitMEX_Arthur : Hi guys
[2015-12-18 09:52:48] BitMEX_Arthur : what exactly is happening
[2015-12-18 09:53:10] TschavaTschigger : j8: I have no clue, justinlooking just mentioned it and some other people too. For me, all is fine
[2015-12-18 09:53:13] j8 : hey arthur. the chart keeps reloading, spastically
[2015-12-18 09:53:19] TschavaTschigger : oh
[2015-12-18 09:53:42] zanza : j8: did you try refreshing browser?
[2015-12-18 09:54:01] zanza : and close all your pron downloads?
[2015-12-18 09:54:10] j8 : i refresh every couple minutes and it starts again.
[2015-12-18 09:54:28] BitMEX_Arthur : I'll flag this to Sam when he gets on
[2015-12-18 09:54:54] BitMEX_Arthur : What browser?
[2015-12-18 09:55:10] j8 : chrome on a mac
[2015-12-18 09:55:16] habibi : on every
[2015-12-18 09:55:18] BitMEX_Arthur : Thanks
[2015-12-18 09:55:25] habibi : chrome/ff/vivaldi
[2015-12-18 09:55:33] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Arthur: same on firefox
[2015-12-18 09:55:45] justinlooking : chrome 47 win7 and chromium-browser 36 on debian 8
[2015-12-18 09:57:32] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Arthur: also hourly chart seems messed up? it shows the drop that happened in the previous hour during the current candle
[2015-12-18 09:58:11] justinlooking : good spot rapid... that's odd
[2015-12-18 09:58:24] justinlooking : on a 30 min, it was 4 candles ago, but 60 min is current candle
[2015-12-18 09:58:41] SnackyCoins : fwiw i am also having chart issues, especially when switching contracts
[2015-12-18 09:58:49] SnackyCoins : chromium/linux
[2015-12-18 09:59:09] SnackyCoins : refreshing fixes it but it happens again anyway
[2015-12-18 10:00:03] justinlooking : ^agreed, think it's changing contracts that starts the spurious chart update loop off
[2015-12-18 10:00:28] j8 : mhmm, it can't decide if it's on 24H or 7D
[2015-12-18 10:00:32] zanza : try switching to one of the default settings at the bottom 1m/5d
[2015-12-18 10:01:02] zanza : i see, I think its fetching data slowly
[2015-12-18 10:01:14] zanza : so while it refreshes it glitches
[2015-12-18 10:01:29] justinlooking : j8, if switch to Z and H as well, u can get it to loop all 4 charts
[2015-12-18 10:01:34] zanza : does it happen on trading view website ?
[2015-12-18 10:08:03] j8 : no, tradingview works fine
[2015-12-18 10:09:15] Teddy76 : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/?symbol=BITMEX:XBT1D
[2015-12-18 10:09:31] TschavaTschigger : justinlooking: quite possible that I got -pnl today :(
[2015-12-18 10:12:52] TschavaTschigger : these close-spreads hedge bots make marketmaking less profitable and shift the incentive to doing more takers
[2015-12-18 10:16:30] rapidtrades : *single tear
[2015-12-18 10:17:18] zanza : TschavaTschigger: u doen for ?
[2015-12-18 10:18:17] TschavaTschigger : zanza: "u doen for"? :D sry no native speaker here.. what do you mean?
[2015-12-18 10:25:58] justinlooking : TschavaTschigger: :( shit sorry to hear that
[2015-12-18 10:26:06] justinlooking : hope is only small loss
[2015-12-18 10:26:51] TschavaTschigger : justinlooking: pretty much breakeven atm, depends on last minutes :D
[2015-12-18 10:27:11] justinlooking : ahhh well if your worst days are scratches i think you'll be fine!
[2015-12-18 10:27:35] justinlooking : and assume zanza typod "done for" which means finished
[2015-12-18 10:40:47] wurstgelee : unless it was an abbreviation for "doener" which would be kebab
[2015-12-18 10:40:54] wurstgelee : =)
[2015-12-18 10:47:11] rapidtrades : hey any actual trading platforms for bitcoin? like mt4 level
[2015-12-18 10:47:31] rapidtrades : this webby shit is just too slow when markets move
[2015-12-18 10:52:03] wurstgelee : you could use the bot youre coding
[2015-12-18 10:52:19] wurstgelee : add the ability to execute manua trades
[2015-12-18 10:52:21] wurstgelee : *l
[2015-12-18 10:53:03] wurstgelee : futures still climing up, steadily
[2015-12-18 10:53:07] wurstgelee : until they dont ofc
[2015-12-18 10:53:12] TschavaTschigger : or code a trading platform like mt4 for cryptocurrencies and sell it @rapidtrades
[2015-12-18 10:53:21] wurstgelee : yep =)
[2015-12-18 10:54:08] TschavaTschigger : just don't forget to finish the python tutorial before that I linked you
[2015-12-18 11:40:55] laisee : rapidtrades: > you want fast, maybe look at adding support for Bitmex to Tribeca(https://github.com/michaelgrosner/tribeca)
[2015-12-18 11:57:34] rapidtrades : okc on acid atm
[2015-12-18 11:58:01] j8 : how so
[2015-12-18 11:58:17] rapidtrades : $5 premium
[2015-12-18 11:58:39] habibi : 5$?
[2015-12-18 11:58:40] habibi : wheere
[2015-12-18 11:58:45] rapidtrades : spot
[2015-12-18 11:58:49] habibi : eh
[2015-12-18 11:58:59] habibi : no premium to the settle price
[2015-12-18 11:59:12] j8 : oh okc usd spot.
[2015-12-18 11:59:27] j8 : it's weird like that
[2015-12-18 11:59:46] laisee : post settlement ... everyone wants to bloc their profits on hookers, blow and more okc futures.
[2015-12-18 11:59:58] laisee : ^wants to blow
[2015-12-18 12:12:18] rapidtrades : already down to $3..still more profit to be had
[2015-12-18 12:12:57] laisee : did u short?
[2015-12-18 12:14:53] habibi : thats quite good sign
[2015-12-18 12:15:06] habibi : rapid has new money to invest ==// to loose here
[2015-12-18 12:15:17] laisee : we have room full of traders here waiting for that signal.
[2015-12-18 12:15:29] habibi : not only here
[2015-12-18 12:15:35] habibi : china is waiting for that signal
[2015-12-18 12:15:35] laisee : imagine Boler Room.
[2015-12-18 12:15:44] laisee : Boiler Room
[2015-12-18 12:17:39] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT7D: Sell 1000 @ 466.29
[2015-12-18 12:19:09] REKT : Liquidated short on XBTH16: Buy 1200 @ 539.95
[2015-12-18 12:20:03] cataquil : always spike at rollover
[2015-12-18 12:20:08] laisee : yikes. shorting H16
[2015-12-18 12:20:31] laisee : courageous decision.
[2015-12-18 12:29:30] j8 : that must be the old one that still hasn't filled
[2015-12-18 12:30:04] j8 : oh.. gone now
[2015-12-18 12:38:28] nickhnt : 1 week to december settlement :)
[2015-12-18 12:44:54] cataquil : what is CashRebalance?
[2015-12-18 12:46:51] j8 : cataquil: contracts that don't settle rebalance weekly, your position stays open but your unrealised pnl is realised at the mark price
[2015-12-18 12:48:10] j8 : so you don't have to wait 3-6 months to withdraw profits.
[2015-12-18 12:48:38] cataquil : oh right. yeah thanks I did know that...I just am trying to work out how DPE is working for me
[2015-12-18 12:49:06] sleger : it is working the same way than for anyone else
[2015-12-18 12:49:11] j8 : there was no DPE on this settlement.
[2015-12-18 12:49:46] cataquil : yep, pretty flat the past 2 days. but going thru my trade history looking at the past saturday
[2015-12-18 12:50:33] cataquil : I see if I go to https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2015-12-18 12:50:50] cataquil : the comm value there is different than the value in the CSV download
[2015-12-18 12:51:11] BitMEX_Wally : Due to display rounding?
[2015-12-18 12:51:12] cataquil : -0.0002 XBT is actually -11625
[2015-12-18 12:51:27] BitMEX_Wally : 0.0001162 XBT
[2015-12-18 12:51:33] sleger : satoshis vs btc
[2015-12-18 12:51:36] cataquil : so the value in the spreadsheet is the actual
[2015-12-18 12:51:40] BitMEX_Wally : Ahh, I think we round up to avoid rounding down to 0
[2015-12-18 12:55:44] cataquil : so you could all by kXBT or 10,000 satoshi
[2015-12-18 13:17:17] smaessen : Hi all
[2015-12-18 13:20:18] smaessen : Is there an option to get OHLC data etc trough the API? I dont want to work with price data from a different exchange
[2015-12-18 13:22:06] smaessen : and it still cant register because i dont receive anconfirmation email (not in spam)
[2015-12-18 13:30:45] TheRealJohnGalt : smaessen: I don't think bitmex emails work for many domains.
[2015-12-18 13:31:06] smaessen : TheRealJohnGalt: to bad since i cant register now :(
[2015-12-18 13:31:38] TheRealJohnGalt : idk, I've just had issues with it in the past (with a sigaint email) and had to choose a different email. But I'm not support :)
[2015-12-18 13:32:00] smaessen : i’ve send a support ticket ,lets see what happens :) ty
[2015-12-18 13:35:56] BitMEX_Wally : smaessen: You can get OHLC data from our API without logging in
[2015-12-18 13:36:53] BitMEX_Wally : smaessen: https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/trade/bucketed?binSize=1h&symbol=XBT24H&count=100&start=0
[2015-12-18 13:37:41] BitMEX_Wally : Check out the parameters like startTime and endTime here: https://www.bitmex.com/api/explorer/#!/Trade/Trade_getBucketed
[2015-12-18 16:58:14] REKT : Liquidated short on XBTH16: Buy 50 @ 566.50
[2015-12-18 17:09:04] TschavaTschigger : hey, is there any site that shows the past finex trades with information about the trade direction (bid getting hit or ask getting hit)?
[2015-12-18 17:10:17] BitMEX_Sam : BFXData seems to have the info but I don't know how much historical data you can get.
[2015-12-18 17:11:55] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Sam: sweet, exactly what I was looking for, thanks. only need the recent ones for now.
[2015-12-18 17:12:08] BitMEX_Sam : Great
[2015-12-18 17:12:51] BitMEX_Wally : TschavaTschigger: We have history going back a year at least, so let us know if we can help
[2015-12-18 17:13:44] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Wally: uh, that would be fantastic. have to first get some other things done, but I will likely come back for that offer.
[2015-12-18 17:18:34] BitMEX_Wally : Sure, I have raw trades like this: `"[{"timestamp":"2015-12-18D17:17:59.000000000","symbol":"BTCUSD","side":"Buy","size":3,"price":459.99,"trdMatchID":14376213,"logged":"2015-12-18D17:18:10.083125000"}, {"timestamp":"2015-12-18D17:17:59.000000000","symbol":"BTCUSD","side":"Buy","size":0.5,"price":460,"trdMatchID":14376215,"logged":"2015-12-18D17:18:10.083125000"}]"`
[2015-12-18 17:22:06] TschavaTschigger : fantastic. will play around with some machine learning algos after christmas, so this data would be beautiful to toy. will get back to you then.
[2015-12-18 17:40:07] Swedishnut : S&P @ 2017 youch and looks like it will keep falling
[2015-12-18 17:47:10] TschavaTschigger : Swedishnut: meh... don't agree with him. though his statement that we shouldn't rely on historical metrics is true imho.
[2015-12-18 18:23:44] zanza : i wasn't brave enough to short at 2070
[2015-12-18 18:23:52] zanza : now i sadly watch it drop
[2015-12-18 18:35:09] Scottv53 : BitMEX_Sam: is there quick way to lookup the time premium of the XBT7D?
[2015-12-18 18:38:33] zanza : "Full Details" ?
[2015-12-18 19:09:54] AudibleScience : zanza: "short at 2070"... man, we haven't been there for a while! lol
[2015-12-18 19:13:48] Swedishnut : looks like a little break-out 3060
[2015-12-18 19:15:15] AudibleScience : yeah small so far though :-(
[2015-12-18 19:16:08] AudibleScience : 30 day btc vol index down to 3.18%...
[2015-12-18 19:16:35] BitMEX_Sam : Calm before the storm, I'm sure we'll get another burst of volatility soon.
[2015-12-18 19:16:47] wurstgelee : btc showing signs of life currently
[2015-12-18 19:16:54] wurstgelee : so youre probably righgt
[2015-12-18 19:16:56] wurstgelee : right
[2015-12-18 19:17:40] TschavaTschigger : I'd pay 1btc straight just to have nice volatility for 3-4 days.. this is how much I want it
[2015-12-18 19:17:40] babybaby : we going to 500 ?
[2015-12-18 19:18:19] Swedishnut : :P 500 indeed but the question is it today? I couldn't say
[2015-12-18 19:18:44] AudibleScience : TschavaTschigger: agreed!
[2015-12-18 19:19:02] wurstgelee : https://cryptowat.ch/okcoin/btcusd-weekly-futures/3m
[2015-12-18 19:19:09] wurstgelee : move buttcoin, move! ;)
[2015-12-18 19:46:02] messiaen8844 : I'm out of 24h and 7D, feels good to sit on my last two week profits
[2015-12-18 19:51:02] TschavaTschigger : rule #1 never be out
[2015-12-18 19:51:46] messiaen8844 : I am waiting for movement
[2015-12-18 19:55:07] jesperf : rule #2 always be right
[2015-12-18 19:55:28] messiaen8844 : out of trade position, most of my BTC is HDLing
[2015-12-18 19:56:09] messiaen8844 : rule #3 never listen to trollboxes ;)
[2015-12-18 19:56:38] messiaen8844 : or any trading advice whatsoever that isn't your own
[2015-12-18 19:57:23] justinlooking : one of my favs is "no one ever went skint taking profits"
[2015-12-18 19:58:48] messiaen8844 : profits can be taken too early
[2015-12-18 20:02:55] TschavaTschigger : there is actually a phenomenon in behavorial finance called the "disposition effect", based on the effect that people irriationally tend to hold losing stocks, while selling winning ones to cash in profits
[2015-12-18 20:03:24] wurstgelee : lol, i have that i think
[2015-12-18 20:03:29] wurstgelee : at least to some degree
[2015-12-18 20:03:46] messiaen8844 : happens very often in BTC, people stop looking at 4h and daily and panic
[2015-12-18 20:05:28] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 500 @ 463.34
[2015-12-18 20:11:06] wurstgelee : well well, some action ;)
[2015-12-18 20:12:25] ethexio : whee
[2015-12-18 20:15:59] jesperf : and here comes the poop
[2015-12-18 20:16:46] jesperf : or not! i love when there is a fight
[2015-12-18 20:16:58] wurstgelee : ;)
[2015-12-18 20:19:22] TschavaTschigger : just logged back into my excite.com mail account after like 13 years
[2015-12-18 20:19:56] jesperf : was it exciting?
[2015-12-18 20:21:02] TschavaTschigger : it was empty. they locked it meanwhile I guess. just wondering how a business like that is still alive. I mean, look at their homepage: http://www.excite.com
[2015-12-18 20:21:18] TschavaTschigger : this is 1999 right here
[2015-12-18 20:22:11] messiaen8844 : 1997 h
[2015-12-18 20:22:18] messiaen8844 : here: http://www.yahoo.co.jp/
[2015-12-18 20:22:46] jesperf : most japanese websites are like that
[2015-12-18 20:22:57] messiaen8844 : why so ?
[2015-12-18 20:23:22] BitMEX_Sam : Some sites in asian countries have to cater to mostly IE users
[2015-12-18 20:23:33] BitMEX_Sam : Such as those in South Korea.
[2015-12-18 20:24:13] jesperf : is bitmex IE6 compatible? ;)
[2015-12-18 20:24:31] SnackyCoins : Chrome/Mozilla not available in those places?
[2015-12-18 20:25:28] TschavaTschigger : 1) japanese and 2) still 10x better than excite... I mean look at this: http://video.excite.com/
[2015-12-18 20:26:16] TschavaTschigger : flash player haha. and look at the design :D unbelievable
[2015-12-18 20:26:18] rapidtrades : I'm excited
[2015-12-18 20:26:38] messiaen8844 : rapidtrades: about?
[2015-12-18 20:26:55] wurstgelee : hair growing in funny places probably
[2015-12-18 20:29:47] BitMEX_Sam : jesperf: Not even close. We just recently dropped some older browsers as well
[2015-12-18 20:30:11] BitMEX_Sam : It's more work than it's worth. Thankfully we deal with a more tech-savvy crowd than most, so we can afford to require modern browsers.
[2015-12-18 20:30:24] justinlooking : you getting anywhere with this chart bug Sam?
[2015-12-18 20:31:14] BitMEX_Sam : justinlooking: Yep, the fix is deploying right now
[2015-12-18 20:31:17] BitMEX_Sam : Will be live in 2-3 minutes.
[2015-12-18 20:31:23] justinlooking : spectacular :)
[2015-12-18 20:31:44] BitMEX_Sam : Sorry about that one. Was patching up some bad behavior inside the chart and ended up making it a little worse. Thanks for pointing it out
[2015-12-18 20:35:31] zanza : natural gas is getting #Rektasauraus
[2015-12-18 20:36:01] zanza : TschavaTschigger: thats me
[2015-12-18 20:43:17] BitMEX_Sam : justinlooking: Please refresh, chart is fixed.
[2015-12-18 20:43:38] justinlooking : cool tnx will give it a whirl
[2015-12-18 20:44:16] justinlooking : still broken :(
[2015-12-18 20:44:30] justinlooking : altho differently
[2015-12-18 20:44:42] BitMEX_Sam : You might need to do a hard refresh (hold shift while refreshing)
[2015-12-18 20:44:58] justinlooking : i did... u think im silly!
[2015-12-18 20:45:08] BitMEX_Sam : Just checking - have to ask.
[2015-12-18 20:45:32] justinlooking : i'll see if what i did is reproducible
[2015-12-18 20:46:21] BitMEX_Sam : What's the new issue?
[2015-12-18 20:48:34] justinlooking : i start on xbt24h, switch to xbu, switch back to xbt (changes to z15), switch back to xbt24h, chart loads, but within couple of secs the xbu chart is displayed again
[2015-12-18 20:54:45] rapidtrades : careful...the memory clogging is mostly gone now, don't bring it back :) @BitMEX_Sam
[2015-12-18 20:55:24] sleger : There are other things we thought we got rid of but they keep coming back ;)
[2015-12-18 20:56:15] BitMEX_Sam : justinlooking: Try clearing your cache - that was the exact issue I fixed, and I'm not able to get it to happen anymore.
[2015-12-18 20:56:45] messiaen8844 : @sleger: yes, those ridiculous premiums!!!!
[2015-12-18 20:56:49] justinlooking : will do
[2015-12-18 20:58:07] justinlooking : just discovered the reload button is right clickabable
[2015-12-18 20:59:42] jesperf : BitMEX_Sam: I'd understand if you didn't support IE at all :)
[2015-12-18 20:59:59] justinlooking : Sam: think u were right, "empty cache and hard reload" and can't reproduce it anymore
[2015-12-18 21:00:02] BitMEX_Sam : Thankfully, 10 and 11 aren't completely terrible, and Edge is actually a pretty good browser.
[2015-12-18 21:00:07] BitMEX_Sam : justinlooking: Great :)
[2015-12-18 21:01:07] jesperf : http://favoritememes.com/_nw/49/01592349.jpg
[2015-12-18 21:02:49] imapotato : is the 7D === Z15
[2015-12-18 21:03:08] sleger : no because 25 != 50
[2015-12-18 21:03:17] imapotato : what
[2015-12-18 21:03:32] kogroken : They have different max leverages
[2015-12-18 21:03:40] imapotato : mmmm
[2015-12-18 21:04:22] imapotato : I suppose that makes sense
[2015-12-18 21:04:27] sleger : but yes this week the difference between the 2 is kind of ridiculous
[2015-12-18 21:05:19] imapotato : Thanks for the info
[2015-12-18 21:09:44] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Sam: is there a way to hide current orders from the chart?
[2015-12-18 21:09:58] BitMEX_Sam : Not at this time, I can make it into a user preference though.
[2015-12-18 21:12:24] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Sam: would be cool :)
[2015-12-18 21:13:12] justinlooking : i see they are draggable
[2015-12-18 21:13:42] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah. You can move them out of the way, but they'll move back if modified.
[2015-12-18 21:14:40] BitMEX_Sam : I'll add the preference for you guys, and make them not jump if you place a new order or cancel an existing one.
[2015-12-18 21:14:45] justinlooking : initially i thought dragging would update the price bceause the label on the right changed
[2015-12-18 21:15:16] TschavaTschigger : justinlooking: lol.. initially I thought hitting the "x" would remove them from chart only
[2015-12-18 21:15:24] justinlooking : lol
[2015-12-18 21:18:09] justinlooking : sam: think toggle would be more useful on the chart is possible/feasible
[2015-12-18 21:18:56] justinlooking : *if is
[2015-12-18 21:19:32] BitMEX_Sam : I agree that it belongs there - I'll see what I can do.
[2015-12-18 21:23:39] TschavaTschigger : just tried to make an order on 24H and 7D at exactly the same time - error, duplicate clOrdID :D
[2015-12-18 21:24:15] TschavaTschigger : need to multiply one of those by 2 I guess :D
[2015-12-18 21:34:39] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 1100 @ 462.32
[2015-12-18 21:35:44] macios15 : we are at same price when china was 3060, legit
[2015-12-18 21:39:22] jesperf : oops
[2015-12-18 21:39:38] jesperf : i think my toilet flush is connected to this price thing
[2015-12-18 21:49:21] rapidtrades : CAN I SUBSCRIBE TO YOUR NEWSLETTER!!!
[2015-12-18 21:56:43] jesperf : I don't think so if you're yelling
[2015-12-18 22:02:19] sleger : his caps lock key has been broken for weeks and since he hasnt made profit yet he cant afford a new keyboard :((
[2015-12-18 22:07:48] TschavaTschigger : I find it quite disturbing that 70% of the 7D orderbook is controlled by one guy
[2015-12-18 22:08:30] sleger : how do you know ?
[2015-12-18 22:09:09] donkey : good question.. im curious to!
[2015-12-18 22:09:42] TschavaTschigger : when he restructeres his orders, the whole ask side disappears. first thought was that order placements depend on each other and triggers mass-replacement, but they seem to ignore mine, so....
[2015-12-18 22:10:06] donkey : intresting
[2015-12-18 22:12:52] Giovanni : Can anyone recommend resources to learn more about futures arbitrage ?
[2015-12-18 22:16:27] sleger : sell march @ 555 buy daily @ 463, wait, profit
[2015-12-18 22:21:05] sleger : oh and dont believe anything you read on the internet
[2015-12-18 22:23:59] justinlooking : or trullbuxes
[2015-12-18 22:26:55] zanza : https://blog.bitmex.com/tag/arbitrage/
[2015-12-18 23:26:32] BitMEX_Sam : justinlooking: You can now right click the chart and click "Disable Order Display"
[2015-12-18 23:27:24] justinlooking : show off :P
[2015-12-18 23:27:29] justinlooking : tyvm
[2015-12-18 23:35:46] jesperf : 1 week since the last big drop from 475 -> 402. any bets there will be another one?
[2015-12-18 23:38:36] macios15 : up spike is more possible
[2015-12-18 23:39:18] TschavaTschigger : BitMEX_Sam: cool, but the unrealized profit of the current open order is still here :(
[2015-12-18 23:39:34] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, the current Position
[2015-12-18 23:39:37] BitMEX_Sam : Would you like an option for that too?
[2015-12-18 23:39:58] TschavaTschigger : yes pls... I only want to have the chart on the chart :D
[2015-12-18 23:40:10] BitMEX_Sam : Sounds good. I'll add that too
[2015-12-18 23:40:16] TschavaTschigger : thanks sam
[2015-12-18 23:44:12] Swedishnut : wow green bar
[2015-12-19 00:18:19] BitMEX_Sam : TschavaTschigger: That option is available now on a refresh
[2015-12-19 00:19:02] TschavaTschigger : [b]yeayy[/b] finally a clean, nice chart! thanks
[2015-12-19 00:19:10] TschavaTschigger : looking really good now
[2015-12-19 00:20:21] TschavaTschigger : with positions/orders, it looks horrible design-wise, but maybe that's just a personal preference
[2015-12-19 00:20:42] TschavaTschigger : will enjoy my clean chart tomorrow, going to bed, cya
[2015-12-19 01:03:33] REKT : Liquidated short on XBT24H: Buy 1600 @ 466.81
[2015-12-19 02:13:34] REKT : Liquidated long on XBT24H: Sell 10 @ 463.42
[2015-12-19 02:28:52] JDUB99 : hi all got a question about unfilled order
[2015-12-19 02:29:34] JDUB99 : why is it that my 460.5 buy order only got filled for 2 out of 50 contracts, and i see that a buy order of 460 got filled with 8366 contracts
[2015-12-19 02:29:45] JDUB99 : how come it seems like my order was "passed up"
[2015-12-19 02:45:41] Tetsuo : You just got mexed up
[2015-12-19 03:09:25] JDUB99 : i think i figured it out...but its still odd
[2015-12-19 03:09:38] JDUB99 : looks like i put in my order incorrectly?
[2015-12-19 03:20:35] Giovanni : is @ sleger still here ?
[2015-12-19 03:24:47] Giovanni : or can someone explain the risk associated with selling XBTH16 and buying spot? IM trying to figure out what I'm missing
[2015-12-19 03:27:13] j8 : Giovanni: yeah, check out this blog post, it explains it well: https://blog.bitmex.com/cash-and-carry-arbitrage-with-bitmex-futures/
[2015-12-19 03:28:55] j8 : with inverse futures like `XBU` series and okc futures there's basically no risk
[2015-12-19 03:30:09] j8 : but quanto futures have a bigger upside in dollar terms
[2015-12-19 03:35:52] Giovanni : I've been reading the blogs and trying to figure it out. So essentially, when you short XBTH16 your rising margin will eat the profit ? But if you look at it without margin, on a one to one basis for example Selling one coin short in the future and buying one now doesn't leave room for risk?
[2015-12-19 03:37:06] j8 : if you sell one coin worth of `XBTH16` and the price goes up, your position will be short more than one coin
[2015-12-19 03:37:46] j8 : and you will start to lose more and more on your short
[2015-12-19 03:40:05] j8 : the value of the contracts depends on the price.
[2015-12-19 03:42:10] Giovanni : hm alright, so thats what I'm missing. But i thought the underlying currency of the quanto contracts were bitcoin ?
[2015-12-19 03:44:52] j8 : it works out so that your PNL in bitcoin is proportional to the change in price, but to do that the contracts have a value of 1000 satoshis * price
[2015-12-19 03:45:55] j8 : so if the price goes up 10% the contracts are worth 10% more bitcoin
[2015-12-19 03:46:19] j8 : but then the USD value is 1000 sats * price^2
[2015-12-19 03:46:58] j8 : so it's more like an 11% gain in USD
[2015-12-19 04:34:49] laisee : non-linear payback, as they say.
[2015-12-19 04:37:26] j8 : the best kind of payback
[2015-12-19 04:46:05] laisee : :-D